Why do people say, "Why did GOD 'allow' it?" when MAN does strange things? Why do people blame God for their misdeeds? God allowed man freedom of choice. He gave them the ability to know right from wrong and to choose either one knowing that there would be consequences depending on what they choose. It is as simple as that.
When did god “allow” freedom of choice? Humans took freedom when god wouldn’t allow it. The people you are referring to would rather be ignorant and still in the “garden”.
@@jdwest34 that is actually a good philosophic conundrum you present. Can light exist without darkness? Is it possible for good to exist without evil? Was SOMEONE predestined to choose evil to prove that freedom of choice and good and evil exist? Perhaps this is why God had a plan of Salvation even before he laid the foundation of existence and creation.
@@thomasstevens9551 when God is all powerful and all loving how can we not simply have good /goodness why create chaos when we're all his children ,can't we live in peace???
It technically is. Marriage is one man and one women. If you have more than one wife or husband. U r not loyal to that ONE PERSON. Which is adultery...which is a sin
@@kayla_battle that is not true. Even for sake of argument i can agree with you but still ask "why is it technical and not actual"? God was not technical when he gave commandments
You need to be more clear. What you mean to ask is, why isn’t 1 man, multiple wives a sin? Because it is a sin with 1 woman and multiple men. First. How you know it’s not a sin. 1 Timothy. Where it describes the expectations of pope and deacon. These are the men who must have no more than a single wife. If It was was a sin, That would be obvious. He wouldn’t have needed to say “he can’t be a murderer”. He went out of his way to say that because, for others, it wasn’t a sin. The why? Well. One can only guess God’s reasons, but I’ve found God to always have good reasons for what he says/demands. If I were to guess, with limited effort, I can already think of situations when polygamy might not only be allowed, it might be necessary. Say when half the men of child birthing age, if you can call it that, are dead from war.
Polygamy isn't sin. If it were, God would never have called prophets who were polygamists and allowed their priesthood authority to continue. This is how I look at it: God created us with the ability to procreate. Is the act of sex wrong in itself? Of course not. It's the boundaries that God has set for it. As long as it is within the bonds of marriage, that's acceptable. Once outside of it, it is no longer acceptable, and it's in violation of God's laws. God gave the law and institution of marriage, and he sets the rules and boundaries. If it were ever wrong in his eyes for a man to marry more than one woman, he would have made it to clear that it was immoral to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the men and prophets through the ages who did so.
God “allows” humans to do what ever they want because they have free will. Just because man does it doesn’t mean God sanctions it. God lays out his will for man it’s up to man to be obedient.
God actually gave multiple wives to king David. He even said he would have given him more if he asked. It was not a question of God "allowing " it. God actively supported it.
Marriage!! What a beautiful elucidation on The Original purpose, Desire and path of The Almighty God. How I wish our generation will see and hear this. Thank You sir.
No western male should ever consider marrying. What are the benefits? There's only disadvantages that makes a man into a submissive simp to be fleeced by the family court system.
@@stef3603 a path that leads to jealousy, lies, distrust, and in a truly primordial context.... murder and tribal war. Love is not defined by sex according to leftists. Polygamy has nothing to do with love. It's not selfless in any capacity.
@@RandommomfromOntario “If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be her's that was hated: then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn: but he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his.” Deuteronomy 21:15-17 KJV God allows you to marry multiple wives . after reading this go back and read all the new testament. There is only 1 instance where the Bible clearly states A man can only marry 1 Wife . “A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;” 1 Timothy 3:2 KJV A Bishop must be the husband of one wife . What would be the need for God to clarify that, if everyone only has 1 wife . That statement alone shows you there are instances where someone with more than 1 wife is present .
Polygamy wasn’t the answer for a poor marriage I don’t believe. If you really had good success with number 1 you might get another if you could afford it and wanted lots of kids. I guess.
I’m guessing Women are much better wives when they aren’t the only ones. I once had a rooster who had only one hen and she treated him like dirt. The other rooster I had , had many hens and they all treated him well, some better than others.
The reason you struggled, is that the Holy Spirit was telling you, through the Word of God, that there is nothing wrong with polygyny, but you didn't want to accept that, and so you found a teacher that will tickle your itching ears and will justify the unrighteous jealousy that you allow yourself to have.
@@eew8060 Nope! I had a chance to talk to a couple of Mormon missionaries in my home recently. I mentioned to them that the Book of Mormon specifically condemns polygamy in five places, including the Book of Jacob, chapter 2. What about you? Are you Mormon?
@@eew8060 Well the only book that tells you that polygamy is prohibited, is the Book of Mormon, so you would fit in real well with the mainline Mormon church. The Bible has no condemnation of non-excessive polygyny whatsoever!
These comments are wise but ultimately unhelpful. The Old Testament goes beyond merely describing incidents of polygamy. The law of Moses (dictated by Jehovah!) outlines rules for polygamy and slave wives. This can't just be ignored.
No and it's not a contradiction either. What did the jews in the Bible do? Moses wanted them to walk up the mountain and see God for themselves but they refused. They just wanted Moses to do it for them. They damned themselves to a lesser law. So the rules you're talking about are just administrative rules for living in their community in the lower state they chose for themselves. And you can see how it turned out for them. I dont condemn them myself as most Christians are now doing exactly as they did at that time. Lazy, won't know God, choose a lower and easier way.
and what happened with multiple wives was exactly why God said one man one women, it was a warning they missed the point like you missed the point in the video.
It's still hard to understand since it was God himself who gave Saul's wives to David (2 Sam. 12:8). By so doing, isn't God tacitly approving polygamy by blessing (?) David with many?
It was viewed as a blessing by the people of that time, but look at all the trouble that came from David’s many wives. God allows us to do and have things that are not always good for us sometimes, probably in the hopes that we learn and come eventually to see what matters most in the end. Just my take.
yeah often things that God permits to happen are things in which people describe as God doing*. As Brodi mentioned above, these may be things that aren't ideal and sometimes serve to sculpt a person. Solomon may have been allowed (by God) to have these wives specifically to place him under the temptation of multiplying wives. Such temptations are allowed to test ones faith - this is heavily echoed in the new testament.
I once listened to a Muslim and a Christian have a light discussion back and forth. Both were trying to show why the other why their faith was incorrect. Finally, the Muslim says something aling the lines of: "You may be right...I may be wrong...but at least I do what my book says. Why dont Christians do what their book says? Why should anyone listen to a hypocrite? Even atheists know more about what the Bible says then most Christians! Your book says dont eat pork, and Christians eat pork. It says observe Passover, and Christians observe Easter. It says rest on Sabbath, and Christians font do it." Muslims know they can take 4 wives and multiply children. The Bible places no restrictions on believers. Christians can take multiple wives and multiply children, yet they listen to what their Pastor or denomination teaches, rather than what the Bible teaches. Its their fault for trusting in man, rather than trusting in God. One can say there is no need to keep Gods command to be fruitful and multiply...yet is the righteous on earth increasing...or decreasing? I see much sin and wickedness today. May so called believers be cursed until they wake up and repent...namely those teaching falsehood. _I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live..._ _Dueteronomy __30:19_
I really appreciate Dr. Gentry's style and cadence of explaining very hard answers to very hard questions. I have profited well from his answers in understanding what polygamy was in the Bible and what it was not.
Not only was polygamy allowed in some circumstances it was commanded in the bible, if a mans brother died with no offspring he was to marry his deceased brothers widow and multiply with her. Also when the prophet confronted David for stealing Uriahs wife God told David "if you wanted more I would had given you more(wives and concubines) but why did you have to take Uriahs wife". In the west marriage is a sham and it's not wise to even have one wife since women have too much leverage in marriage, with no fault divorce a woman can divorce a man for any reason and take half his belongings his kids and force him to pay child support and alimony. 70% of marriages in the west and initiated by women and 92% of divorces are initiated by the woman if she is college educated.
@Alec Alberti oh wow where is your response dear? I was getting ready to read it I don't have enough time to read it at work. Can you repost it could you send it to me?
@Alec Alberti wow thank you so much for that information!! I just wann copy and save it somewhere and have you delete it. LOL I agree with your comment & the 1st brother's commented-on polygyny and monogamous relationships. Yes times are getting really hard and if these women won't sit down somewhere and humble themselves they will be left out in the dark unprotected and uncovered when true judgment rains down upon this Earth. Most of them are so busy chasing a college education as if that's going to be some sort of protection for them. They also act as if the college degree is going to assure them success in this world. Such a sad day and time we're living in indeed! May the Most High bless you for that information brother🙏🏽
@Alec Alberti and by the way with the comment you deleted I started to read it before I left work but I didn't finish. You didn't sound crazy at all. The people that look at us like we are crazy and we're so different we can look right back at them and see that they're just like everybody else. What a shame
I will get married in the eyes of God, I refuse to get married in the eyes of the State. In the age of Grace, all is allowed, just not recommended. Proceed with caution.
Marriage License causes alot of problems. Its a union of man, woman, and state...a polygamous relationship. To disolve it, the man and woman have to go before the government and get permission...
Why do you say that? I'm just trying to gain perspective. Because I would do both, live by the laws of the land, but also being married in the eyes of God because that is what he wants.
Love is the most important thing between a marriage. And the Level of Love both have for one another. Love never fails. Not even a certification of marriage will be able to break a marriages foundation built on Devoted Love. Instead of rushing into something, it's important for both involved to Build a Strong Love Bond as well as Strong Convictions that will hinder anything looking to disrupt that Bond of Love. And if one does not have desire ,Devotion, and Discipline for Love, the best thing would be to MOVE ON. For the sake of both your Hearts.
Not to mention that also when an old testament man had more than one wife, God opened the womb of the wife that was not loved as much as the other wife or wives. God closed the womb of the wife that was loved more.
God speaks to this very thing in His law in Deuteronomy 21:15 and forbids a man from giving a double portion inheritance to his favored wife instead of to the actual firstborn son of an unfavored wife. I think the principle and spirit of the law here is outlawing a man from playing favorites, and how inheritance rights are granted is the example used to communicate that principle.
Finally, someone who can provide clear answers and explanations regarding the Bible without indulging in lengthy rhetoric. He gets straight to the point, using relevant biblical passages that are actually applicable.
He didn’t answer the question though. We can see that God was not pleased with polygamy but, why did he allow it? Did David end up in hell because he had more than one wife which under the law of Moses would be considered adultery? That’s the real question. Did these men who had more than one wife commit adultery, ongoing sin and end up in hell?
@@rkirkpatrick01 yea but the garden account was not an orgy. The more as times goes on the more I see how sick and carnal we're becoming. Something so simple as Adam and Eve gets twisted into polygamy.
@@patpittz6709 will of course there is no "orgy" in the Bible. Adam and Eve is a description, of events, not a prescription for others. For that we look at the legislation within God's word. Exo 21:10 If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, or her marital rights. If it were a case of adultery, well, the penalty for that was death. It's only a carnal mind that twists God's command into an orgy.
Very unsatisfying answer to the question... 5:26 - OT saints "never held up as moral examples, but only as examples of faith"? Seems a false distinction to me. How exactly does a hero of faith (Heb 11) live an IMmoral life? That seems a false distinction between "faith" and "acts of faith", or between faith and obedience (morals, ethics), both of which the OT saints abound in and for which are held up as examples in the NT. Obedience is faith. The saints were faith heroes in Heb 11 because of what they DID. Better question than "Why did God allow" (which invites ambiguity) would be "Is polygamy sinful according to the Bible?" There's no law against it in either "Testament". Virtually every OT saint explicitly practiced it (and those that aren't explicitly shown to do so probably did so. As a rule, women are only mentioned in the Bible if they're relevant to the narrative. Thus there may have been more wives than are explicitly identified). God never condemned anyone for it. And God entered into covenant - it would appear - with a bunch of guys that were almost all, to a man, polygamists. If it was egregious to God (i.e. if God considered it adultery, a violation of the 7th commandment AND a capital offense), one has to wonder at his covenant making with Abraham, Jacob, David, not to mention his use of others (Gideon, Solomon). I personally think Moses had multiple wives. Zipporah was Midianite (of Abraham through Keturah; of the line of Shem). The wife he was accused of taking (by Miriam and Aaron) was Cushite (i.e. of Ham's line). That would make two wives at least (in addition to any not mentioned in the narrative). I would also speculate that the multiple different names for his father in law (Jethro, Reuel, Hobab) did not all refer to the same individual. Seems a hard argument to make (against polygamy). But for most Christians, one generally believes something is wrong if one personally think it's wrong, irrespective of what the Bible says about it. In this case, the evidence against polygamy is clearly lacking, but that doesn't keep most Christians from believing it's the equivalent of adultery.
Yeah, it's hard to abstract faith from faithfulness. If these men were in fact faithless to God it seems unlikely they would also be heroes of the faith.
I would also add, as a preemptive strike, that arguments in favor of polygamy do not constitute the next phase of sexual deviancy by a backsliding nation, as it frequently bemoaned by conservative press (e.g. polyamory). This cannot be equated to free, no strings attached, non-paternalistic sexual revolution. What we see in the Bible is paternalistic to the hilt, was geared toward nation/tribe building, involved childbearing as an imperative, and marital responsibility. This was not "I'm free to roam and hookup with whomever (or whatever) I want" as is the cultural bent today.
You ask an important question... I think the deification of the biblical saints is at the root of many crisis' of faith. They had weaknesses and sin just like us, they were human, not gods. Shouldn't we be glad that God chooses to demonstrate that we can be right in his eyes with all our flaws?
@@JRRodriguez-nu7po says who? 12 tribes came from 4 of Jacobs wives. Stop trying to add to the Torah. The Torah gives man the proper instructions on how to treat their wives if they choose to have more than one.
adultery has always been understood as sexual encounters outside of marraige (Mat. 19 Jesus affirms God's design as one woman and one man) and adultery is sin. In fact, adultery can even be commited in the heart w/ the eyes (Mat. 5).
@@chrishall227 Adultery has NOT always been defined as sex outside of marriage. It was understood in the old testament as specify the woman who breaks the wedlock (sleeping with a man other than her husband). In fact that's what the Hebrew word for "adultery" transliterates to. It wasn't defined by the man being exclusively with one woman.
I've come to the conclusion that monogamy was a principle or standard, but not a law. There is no mention of punitive action by God for polygamy, whereas for actual laws being broken, there was. I find the morality vs faith argument interesting and likely valid. Good talk!
And how can he go about his current marriage while courting another? Doesn’t that require emotional and physical attraction? Adultery of the heart and even body?
@@Yohanyothan Marriage at that time was far more an economic or political union than anything to do with desire, love, or any other kind of attraction. Especially for wealthy or royal men. No courting involved. Many could legitimately argue that the direction to "cleave" to your wife has far more to do with providing security, food, clothing, housing, etc., than any emotional attachment and, if one has the means, can easily be done individually with multiple wives. Again, ancient Hebrew (and other) marriages of wealthy and royal men had so little to do with emotion and desire one could safely say those had nothing to do with it. FYI, I'm not a polygamy advocate for many reasons, but I do find most of the arguments against it based on biblical principles and examples extremely weak. For example, saying it's not good because of stories that it didn't end well is an argument that could also be applied to singular marriage. It often doesn't go well either.
@@pmgddm I'd lean more to the thought that it was cultural. There was no political or economic benefit to Moses have multiple wives, yet he did. Even if you go with the thought that in order to propagate the nation of Israel, polygamy was allowed, it seemed to be something that God allowed, though not his original purpose. Pre-Abraham biblical titans, Adam and Noah seemed to stick with the single wife principle but after that, it was game on, climaxing with the 700 wife/300 concubine insanity that was Solomon. If Abraham, Moses and David were polygamist, there's no justification for it to be a sin.
@@Yohanyothan Both sets of your questions deal with marriage from an emotional aspect. This is not relevant to law or even principle; for the sake of this argument.
Read well please because he allows polygamy actually this video is not saying the truth. But when David took another man's wife God said " if you wanted another wife I would have given it to you". He didn't say you have enough wives u don't need any more. But I do agree God's plan was 1 wife. 23 Do you think that God changed this commandment about polygamy in the old testament which shows that God allowed polygamy :Exo 21:10 NHEB-YHWH If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, and her marital rights. Because he did with some commandments in the new testament. Here they are: Actually I believe that this was written in Chapter John, Jesus says he is changing some laws in the bible. And he mentioned because the people in the old testament were very evil he allowed them to do what they want and he says now it is different. One of the examples is God allowing divorce when a man gives certain amount of money to the woman who married her whether from fornication, rape, marriage ceremony. So, the God in the old Testament allowed divorce. Also, there were three ways that people got married in the old Testament. One was sex (becoming one flesh), second rape (google sex in marriage and divorce bible verses in the old testament), third was marriage ceremony. Anyone who committed any of them was considered married according to God's commandments in the old testament. In the new testament when God was speaking to the women (at the water) who was having sex with many men, God reveals that she is not married (highlight that God considered her not married it is not a word mentioned in the bible but the story concludes that) and she is sinning (fornication). (which is opposite from the old testament as I mentioned). So, As you see The Bible changed some of the commandment from the old testament to the new testament. Lastly, God himself says he came to finish (perfect) the testimony and fulfill the prophecies. (Perfecting his biblical book, changing some of his commandment as you see from what is mentioned above). There is nothing wrong with God changing his laws in Bible as he is fulfilling the law (which means making it perfect, and that means to perfect something you can change it. Which is what Jesus did). This is something most Christians miss.
Deuteronomy 21:15-23 King James Version 15 If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated: 16 Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn: 17 But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his.
1 Ki 15:5 "David did what was right in the eyes of the LORD and did not turn aside from anything that he commanded him all the days of his life, except in the matter of Uriah the Hittite." David had multiple wives....seems that it was RIGHT, in the eyes of YHWH.
@@danielcarpen did you want me to comment on this article? He doesn't provide a place for commentary on that site. How do you think the Bible Answer man did?
The Old Testament allows polygamy but doesn’t encourage it. Great men such as Abraham, Israel, Judah, Gideon, Samson, David, and Solomon had multiple wives, though the Old Testament records many problems that resulted. However, the law actually made it mandatory in one circumstance: if a married man died without leaving a male heir, his brother was required to marry his widow regardless of whether he already had a wife.
There's many problems with monogamy too. Biblical law regulated having more than one wife so it's not a sin and polygamy is lawful. This teacher is lying.
If the levitate marriage law required was required even if it results in polygamy, (as you say, and as I agree with) then that means as a matter of principle, that polygamy cannot be wrong.
Uhm you make it sound like women should be thankful that they had to share their husband, his time, devotion and resources when all of them were his property.
Yes, it did. The man said it was not God's will for men to have more than one wife. He spoke of all the trouble polygamy causes. Read the New Testament and quit trying to justify your sinful lust for more than one woman.
Pat Melton , wow 😮 never see that coming ; are you ok sis . I’m a happily married man in love with only one woman.....my wife. The title says why God allowed polygamy .
@Didier 619 Apologies for her. She assumed you were being a hypocrite obviously without knowing you first. Experience shows that people don’t usually do that unless there is a bit of self righteousness somewhere in their motives. This is an unfortunate thing for anyone trying to spread the good news. But I would just like to point out however that the person in the video actually did give an answer. God has many times told people that polygamy is a sin and has spoken against it many times as well. See Deuteronomy 17:17 for one example. But even though he commanded people not to do it they still disobeyed him. Even people who served him and were saved disobeyed him. But as with all sins God does allow them. Because it may surprise you that He uses all things to work together for His good even evil things. So yes God did allow it for a time. But mind you it was still a sin and all sins must and will be paid for. Fortunately for the people who trusted in him back then, and even now they didn’t have to pay for their sins themselves. Because God sent his son to die in our place so that His righteousness could be given to us and we wouldn’t have to pay an eternal price of death. And more importantly so we can spend forever with him in perfect happiness and love. The same is true for anyone who repents of their old ways, and asks Him to be Lord over their lives. I pray that you would see the truth and I tell you these things with good will and love. Peace be with you, and run to God. I promise it will be worth your while. He wants to love you. And he wants to make you perfect.
Ramoroka Ntane Thats because there is no such scripture. God made rules in the Old Testament for how to be a good polygamist. God would not make rules allowing sin. Modern thinking on this simply doesn’t want to accept what the Bible actually says
@@rkirkpatrick01 I have never seen a scripture supporting polygamy. God performed the first marriage and the first man Adam and the first woman Eve. God did not make Adam and five Eves. But of course you have every right to follow Satan into hell. Maybe your bible is the Koran!!
Sonehow David, Solomon, all the kings, Gideon, Abraham, Moses himself, Jacob, Elkanah, and all the rest interpreted Gen 2:24 differently. Every marriage, whether plolygyny or monagmy, it is difficult. Polygyny is not a sin, ever. Now marrying strange women was a sin. And how many is myltiplying? Is 2 horses a sin? How bout 3? Monogamy is a tradition of Rome. Now Catholics and Muslims have dominion because they took the command to be fruitful and multiply seriously. The traditions of men have marginalized the church.
The real question is, where in the Bible does God actually forbid polygamy or concubines? And the answer is Nowhere in the Old or New Testament. That an excellent moral, sociological and a Biblical argument can be made. However an outright prohibition does Not exist. Nor is there a single phrase in the New Testament that commands or even suggests Christians should by Any means attempt to impose Any Biblical command as a Government Imposed Law.
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:17-19
Myke McCormick Take into consideration that many men often were killed in war leaving many women without suitable husbands and you can see why Yahweh allowed men to take more than one wife as a mercy to these women. Most women in those times needed a man for protection and livelihood and to be able to become mothers which was of most value to them in those days. Your correct about believers not attempting to impose by command Biblical teachings/Law on others. The Bible clearly states for each person to chose, who they will serve. The founders of America understood this after experiencing the abuses of the Roman Catholic Church and it's teachings that even today go against the Bible. The also said that our form of government, requires each person to impose on themselves the Biblical teachings so America would not destroy itself from within through unbelief. American Law was not meant to restrict religious belief but to protect it. The Law that there would be no establishment of a Governmental religion was to allow each person to worship as their conscious and understanding led them. America has failed and gone against this law by supporting the religion of scientism, humanism, naturalism, it is all the same. Basically it is the worship of the creation over the Creator!
You didn't answer the question. God indeed allowed man have many wives, not explicity, but, he blessed those same man that had two wives, blessed their sons, protected hagar. I'm not telling that he encourage more than one wife, i'm telling that he allowed, because he didnt punish or said anything to any man that had more than 1 wife, if was a sin that should be repented, he didnt condemn anybody because of this.
Yes, but he also explicitly said that these men that has more wives had them out of self importance and to have more power. While God wasn't against the idea in the old testament, it gave more power to Satan as he could exploit the man even more.
@SICARII PHILADELPHIA It's in the old testament? You can read of Solomon and his wives, they were idol worshippers and he had many sons of which were sinners and tried to kill him. Read the book of Solomon, Don't embarrass yourself.🤦
Excellent point. Notice how that verse was left out? The reason that David had simultaneous wives at all is because G-d gave him so many, according to the verses. Then He told David He would have given him yet more. This speaker's opinions and personal preferences are one thing, but ignoring the verses in order to support them is disingenuous.
You're right. And it is not in Old Testament only. In Matthew 25 we can read the Parable of the Ten Virgins. And that describes the multiple marriage. In Jewish Torah there are rules concerning levirate marriage which often leads to polygyny. The truth is that the monogamy does not come from Jerusalem or Israel, but from Rome and Grece. The monogamy of the Roman Empire was the cause of two explanatory notes in the writings of Josephus describing how the polygamous marriages of Herod the Great were permitted under Jewish custom. Apostle Paul didn't treat women and man the same concerning the marriage, he wrote in Romans 7 "1 Or do you not know, brothers (for I am speaking to ones knowing the Law), that the Law lords-over the person for as much time as he lives? 2 For the married woman has been bound by the Law to the living husband; but if the husband dies, she has been released from the law of the husband. 3 So then, while the husband is living, she will be called an adulteress if she comes to a different husband. But if the husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress, having come to a different husband." Why didn't Paul say the same about husband? (if man and woman are equal in marriage)?! He gives as the example a wife as according to the Law (verse 1) a man can marry as many wifes in his life as he wants, but woman can have only one living husband. So apostle Paul saw marriage in a Jewish way which of course allowed the polygyny. Dictation of monogamy has pagan roots. Paul as prophet will write "1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will depart from the faith, paying-attention-to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons 2 by means of the hypocrisy of liars having been seared as to their own conscience- 3 forbidding to marry (...)" And it has began from forbidding the polygyny.
I was always told this and it is nice to hear others are going forward with the same message. You have to read the bible in totality and read it in context. Thank you.
But .... When David took another man's wife , got her pregnant and then had her husband set up to die in battle etc . God told David " if you wanted another wife all you had to do was ask .I would have gladly given you one " hmmmm ..gladly .. would have given him another . Ok I remembered it a little differently . Here it is ;I gave you your master’s house and your master’s wives into your keeping, and gave you the house of Israel and Judah. And if that had been too little, I also would have given you much more
@@boracay12 The sword never left David's house from that day onward. God NEVER winks at sin. Sure people sin, but they never get away with it. "Be sure your sins will find you out." David's private life was plagued. One son killed the other. One of his sons tried to kill David. the bloodshed was so bad that God would not allow David to build the temple.
@@patmelton43 all true . But my point was that David had several wife's and hundreds of " concubines" yet God said through his prophet he would have gladly giving him another wife if he had asked . Instead of taking someone wife . That's the argument for having more than one wife . That wasn't Gods intention . But he allowed it .
@@boracay12 My point is that God loves women just as much as he loves men and there is no favoritism in God. God NEVER sanctions marriage of man to more than one woman. That would make him vile - and God is perfect. He loves women just as much as men so He would not make women property. And you are misquoting God. God said, "I would have given you such and such. He never mentions "wives" in that statement.
@@patmelton43 god allowed the Israelites to have more than one wife . He never punished anyone for having 2 . It's not his original intent for men to have 2 wife's but he allowed it . Fact .
Interesting. Although, concerning his interpretation of Nathan's illustration for David, couldn't one also argue that there is no condemnation mentioned for having many wives? Additionally, in 2 Samuel 12:8, God seems to have blessed David with many wives by saying "I gave you your master’s house, and your master’s wives into your bosom, and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah." It is evident in the Genesis narrative that God did not prescribe monogamy, but would you really say it is a sin?
Excellent point. And if those wives were, in fact, a "gift from God" doesn't that pretty much refute the argument that multiple wives were "allowed" but not "God's plan"? Would God gift a man something that He didn't believe was good for him? Again, I'm not arguing for polygamy (for many other reasons), but I find the biblical arguments extremely weak.
Thank you for that illuminating short explanation of why polygamy was tolerated by Yahweh but not promoted by Yahweh the true God. You are spot on when you refer to men of faith as in the Old Testament - but they were not necessarily men of morality - and that distinction is rarely spoken about openly. Thank you for illuminating perspective. FDH LLB MA
Exactly. God expects us to fill in the blanks. He usef cautionary tales and expects us to fill in the gaps. As someone who just avoided a terrible love triangle, pick one person of thr opposite sex and stick with them.
The gentleman in this video is very conniving with his words, he says the NT never upholds David as an example of morality.. which is misleading because the Bible itself actually does uphold David as an example of morality .. “because David did what was right in the eyes of the Lord and did not turn aside from anything that he commanded him all the days of his life, except in the matter of Uriah the Hittite.” 1 Kings 15:5 1 Kings 11:6 and 2 Chronicles 34:2 prove the same. But because these verses are in the OT and not the NT, the gentleman dismisses them and only focuses on NT verses on examples of morality. With all due respect to his knowledge, I think this was very very misleading of him.
@@tantig5923 So when Deborah (a woman no less) sings of the blessings of victory to include “two wombs for every man.. and the land had rest for forty years” (judges 5:30) you see that as a begrudging toleration? When the Elders praise Rachel and Leah as models “who TOGETHER” raised Jacobs household.. that’s mere toleration? (Ruth 4). Western Christian’s aren’t even reading their own bibles.
Why does everyone ignore the fact that God himself gave David all of his masters wives, GAVE!!!! 2 Samuel 12:8!!!!! If you want the most accurate version to the origional Hebrew, read the Septuagint, but I warn you, you will be very surprised what The Lord does. And why do people ignore the fact God built the Nation of Isreal from 1 Man and 4 Women!!!!!!!!!! Gods chosen people were born of Polygamy!!!!! And two of those women were concubines, not even wives!!!!!!!!!!! Stop listening to a man, and seek The Lord's truth for yourself, because there are no excuses, only God's Truth!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you! That has been my main question. If God himself gave King David Saul's wives(plural) who is man to say it is wrong or sinful for man to have multiple wives today. This was man's law instituted in the 1300's not God's law. Research without prejudice will verify this.
He gave everything of Saul’s to David, he have Saul’s wife into David’s **care**. Or “bosom” implying care, he never commanded David to sleep with them or to marry them or to copulate with them, but in the same way he gave all of Saul’s subjects to David by making David king he gave Saul’s wives to David by making David king.
Can a man be unmoral and still have great faith? I always assumed the two were correlated, how can you trust God in all things but not trust his words to be moral?
...you are correct, I mean the Old Testament saints were not "moral" is a weird thing to say ...and incorrect but I guess he can say whatever he wants...
@Janaina Ribeiro faith is a belief. Morals are how you act. He explained it well with the story of king Solomon. He basically said one thing, probably truly believed what he said, but then did something different anyway. Had the faith but not the morals. Today people always want to either 1. Trust in others 2. Trust in themselves. Rarely will they ever Trust in God and that's all God has ever really asked of all of us.
It’s not about morals Our obedience to God and his word is what matters Gods law regulates polygyny, but never condemns or prohibits it - Exodus 21:10 Jesus did not come to do away with the law or prophets...until heaven and earth pass. Look outside our window, heaven and earth are still here Eating pork is a sin, not keeping Sabbath or Feast days like Passover are sins, homosexuality, not returning lost property...
*Great answer* to an important question! *Thank you for helping me see the distinction* between the divine moral and corrupt human morals in the old testament!
copy pasted rant: ah God never punishes polygamy. but if you wear mix fabrics, or call someone bald, you deeeead. if you or someone in your town accidentally does something wrong (to Bible God) you deeeeead. Many bible characters went to 'red light districts' no punishment- Judges 19 a Levite priest's female slave get assaulted by some randoms in a Benjamite city. so he kills her and Israel goes to civil war with Bible Gods backing to genocide the Benjamites. -Genesis 38: Joshua sleeps with his daughter thinking shes a prostitue. -Moses married a pagan priestess. -Many Israeli married Canaanite which is forbidden. - if you have birth defects you are unclean and desecrate Bible Gods sanctuary- Leviticus 21:17 - Onan bro Er couldn't have enough babies so God kills him. - Numbers 16 if you complain to Moses about so many of your own people died by God's hand you die. no punishment for polygamy though. God sounds like an ancient middle eastern dad with bad parenting skills.
The only slight issue i have with one thing he said was, this disreguards 2 samuel 12:8 kjv. God says he gavr him those wives and if he asked for more, god would have gave him more. I agree other parts of the bible express possible calamities of polygamy, but god does not give evil things to a man. And james 1:13 kvj he does no tempt anyone with evil. It seems more like how Jesus described being married vs being a eunuch, James 9:12. Obviously being eunuch is not part of gods original plan because a man is to cleave to a wife. Let me know your thoughts guys. I am curious of your responses.
Ther are several commentaries on the subject from biblehub(dot)com which state that the royal harem would have been inherited by David and thusly given to David along with the rest of the kingdom, regardless of whether or not David actually married them. This language in 2Sam12:8 would serve not to say that polygamy is morally acceptable, but that God has bestowed upon David all that he could possibly desire. David's sin becomes all the more egregious when David (notwithstanding the permission of royal polygamy given by the eastern cultures at large, and especially considering that an obedient king would not have engaged in polygamy) goes outside of his inheritance to take another man's wife. Basically, God is saying, "you had your pick of a harem and said no, but you instead took what was someone else's." As Benson's Commentary states: "The wives of a king went along with his lands and goods unto his successor, it being unlawful for the widow of a king to be wife to any but a king, as appears by the story of Adonijah. The expression in the text, however, does not necessarily signify that David married any of them; nor have we any proof that he did. Indeed, it is doubtful whether he could consistently with the law of God. See Leviticus 18:8; Leviticus 18:15. The meaning seems only to be, that God put them into David’s power, together with Saul’s house and other property."
I'm kinda disappointed that these weak arguments are coming from the southern seminary. I'm by no means arguing for multiple wives, just pointing out that this is some serious eisegesis.
Why is this weak? I thought this was a thorough response. Gentry basically said though the Bible reports what OT figures practiced, God does not condone it. He lays out the biblical foundation and expectation of marriage in Genesis 2.
@@s.s.7754 I don't recall the exact content of the video and am unable to rewatch it at the moment. Off the top of my head; concluding that God does not condone polygamy, because of the parable told to David, isn't close to accurate. The parable was about David's adulterous and lustful heart. Obviously God didn't kill his other children with other wives, but did in this situation.
Show us where it clearly condemns polygamy. "CLEARLY".now Moses himself wrote the Torah, and he himself wrote the 2 shall become one flesh,( mind you the Bible is not an English book), but Moses married 3 wives including an Ethiopian woman, and his sister Mariam was trying to behave like this neaderthal creature talking on this TH-cam video, and what did God do?? Smites her with leprosy.hahahahaha. allegorical explanations at best. Br fruitful, multiply and re-plenish the Earth, that's the order but these white people try to deceive the world with monogamy, LGBT, all depopulation and population control schemes . Get behind me Lucifer
It’s really concerning when Church leaders will slander King David’s name, grouping David with Solomon, claiming that he committed the same sin as Solomon, when God’s Word explicitly says that David did not sin like Solomon (2 Kings)
"Nathan the prophet came to him(David) and spoke to him and gave a parable. A parable about a guy who had many sheep and a poor man who had only one sheep.” -Peter Gentry So, is it wrong for a man to own only one sheep? Is it wrong to own many sheep? Is it wrong to steal someone else's sheep? That's the lesson of Nathan's parable. Exo 20:14 “You shall not commit adultery. Exo 20:15 “You shall not steal. Exo 20:17 “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his male servant, or his female servant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor's.”
I think there was a bit more in that conversation than just coveting and taking someone elses things. The Most High was also pointing out David's attempt to go out side the provision of God by wanting more than was given. He seems to has misplaced his trust in the Lord as well. He attempted to have a man killed. Tried to trap a man in a doctored reality. And while not out right wrong it is very difficult as jesus explained for those with material riches to enter into the kingdom. So it might be unwise to accumulate a mass amount of sheep you might end up having to find a new place to dig a well.
@@outofthebothros772 you equated the rich man with many sheep, with the rich man who Christ says its hard for him to enter the kingdom. I was pointing out that Jesus says that with God all things are possible. Including owning many sheep... 1Ki 3:6 And Solomon said, “You have shown great and steadfast love to your servant David my father, because he walked before you in faithfulness, in righteousness, and in uprightness of heart toward you. And you have kept for him this great and steadfast love and have given him a son to sit on his throne this day.
@@rkirkpatrick01 ok. The statment it being easier for a camel than a rich man dosnt mean it's impossible just highly unlikely for it to happen. And there might be some unnecessary strife that is involved with having so much. I again would have to ask what you are illustrating with this next verse.
Isn't the intervention from Nathan referring to David taking Uriah's wife (not to mention having him killed)? I'm not sure it has anything to do with saying polygamy is inherently bad.
@@aloto1240 God, through Nathan. didn't tell him it was a bad thing that he had many wives. The whole story of the rich man taking his poor neighbor's lamb seems to focus clearly on the theft, as it were, of Uriah's wife and the cruelty of that particular sinful behavior. Look, I don't know for certain here, of course. It's a matter of interpretation I suppose. I'm not claiming to even know if it (polygamy) is supposed to be inherently good or bad. But I'm just not seeing a specific condemnation of polygamy here.
Bingo. The importance of 1) Having your own personal relationship with Christ, and 2) Being a Berean, and searching the scriptures for yourself under the Spirit is being illustrated here. Question your leaders, and check with Christ on what they say. Please. You eternal destiny rests on this...
The fact that God gave all of David's wives to a SINGLE man to lay with openly (in the sight of the sun) shows that God does NOT hate polygamy. If he did, God would have directed David to build and maintain a home for all of those women to live in or send them home to their own families or given them to single men. The fact that he not only gave them to another man, but allowed him to lay with them, clearly shows that God does NOT hate polygamy.
Acts 17.30 New Living Translation “God overlooked people’s ignorance about these things in earlier times, but now he commands everyone everywhere to repent of their sins and turn to him.
This is not a correct interpretation of the text. The "overlooking" was only mercy in not applying immediate judgement, it is not overlooking the eternal consequences of the sin.
@@paulwells4372 Overlooking does not mean he missed a spot. It means he tolerated it. In a way He "lowered His standards" for humanity. But with Jesus this is no longer possible. From then on, God only holds us to the highest possible standard. As an example: Abortion. We Christians are against abortion. It is after all the termination of a human lifeform. This is undeniable. But in East Europe you can see what banning abortion has lead to. People will still do it. And because they still did it, it was done illegally, and because it was done illegally, many safety and sanitary measures were not taken care of and so many women ... 1) were infected with disease, e.g. hepatites 2) had their wombs destroyed and could never again have babies 3) even died because of the termination. So the argument is, even if abortion is forbidden, women will still do it. We Christians will hold society to, what we consider Gods standard, that means the highest morale, to preserve the unborn childs life. Where as ... other people.... will tolerate that women want to abort their pregnancy and will at least make it save and regulate it.
Interesting.. But when David took another man's wife God said " if you wanted another wife I would have given it to you". He didn't say you have enough wives u don't need any more. But I do agree God's plan was 1 wife.
True. Additionally God himself claims to have had two wives symbolically, Judah and Israel. It's just a cultural issue for us but it's not immoral, what's immoral is the inhumane treatment of people.
@@kingladelldonaldson3728 Yes sir. God's culture is life giving, FAMILY FIRST. Any evil man can sleep around, it's on every corner, but the man of God will commit, provide and protect all that God has given him.
Are you referring to the Bible or history of the last few hundred years? The Bible says a person who kidnaps a person and one who buys them shall be put to death. Slavery is kidnapping.
@@tyronegooch5251 well no, the bible condones indentured servitude which people wrongly call slavery, it's close, but not the same, you see the bible permits people to sell their children (their own property) for example to somebody for service, marriage, etc, and to be honest, people put their own morality on God and claim it's wrong to sell something you created that belongs to you. Unfortunately those same people either refuse to see, or genuinely haven't noticed, that it's LITERALLY the same thing Christ did for us, HE BOUGHT US, he PAID for us, as it says, we were ALL BOUGHT FOR A PRICE, and it wasn't gold or silver, but something MUCH more precious, the Holy blood of Jesus Christ the only begotten son of God almighty. That is why in my opinion paul always refers to himself as a slave for Christ, there were rules around how people were to treat their indentured servants well, very specific ones, and how servants were to serve well, how wonderful it is that our MASTER is the Father, Son, and Holy spirit, who bought and paid for us with the blood of Christ, how much more so are we than to serve well? and how much better shall we be treated by our faithful master? May God bless you and keep you :)
@@tyronegooch5251 The video says that polygamy is not moral, and that examples of polygamy such as Abraham should not be considered moral examples. I'm saying slavery in the Bible is the same way. The Bible says slavery is not moral, and that examples of slavery such as Abraham should not be considered moral examples.
@@DownwardsRising also as i stated previously the slavery in the bible from what i can tell is more "indentured servitude", when it comes to the real deal super oppressive what we would call "slavery" God opposes it and demands his people be set free ( the egyptians and the way they were treating the hebrews). there were laws governing treatment of slaves/indentured servants, and also laws governing their service. God bless.
10 If he takes to himself another woman, he may not reduce her food, her clothing, or aher conjugal rights. 11 But if he will not do these three things for her, then she shall go 1free for nothing, without payment of money. Ex 21:10-11.
Did David commit adultry with all his legal wives, yes or no ? If yes, than is David in hell ? He never repented of polygamy. If no, than where is it written that you cannot have two wives ? Chapter and verse please.
How can you commit adultery (taking ANOTHER man's wife) when you've taken those unattached women for yourself? See the contradiction in modern American (20c) definition of adultery? THE bibilical definition of adultery is WIFE STEALING (taking another man's wife); if she doesn't belong to another man, she's free for you to take to wife. Ez 23 Yahweh takes 2 virgins to wife; after David commits adultery with Bathsheba & murders Uriah, she had no more husband, so what did God make David do? Did he not have to make things right by MARRYING HER after already having about 18 wives at the time? Does God hear sinners? Then why is it that right after it's recorded that David takes MORE wives that he asks God for direction at someone attacking him & Yah tells him to GO DO IT & his victory will be certain?! 1 Chron 14. When David DISOBEYED Yah, God made him SUFFER and REBUKED him did He not? Remember the Song of the Prophetess Deborah when they had a victory in battle "to every man a girl OR TWO"? Judges 5:30-31 - Was she blaspheming? Remember who rewrote the 10 Commandments..a man with more than one wife - MOSES himself had 1) Zipporah, a Midianite, descendant of Abraham: Exodus 2:15-16,21 and Exodus 18:1-6 & 2) An Ethiopian woman: Numbers 12:1(-15); Jewish tradition says he had many more concubines. Isaiah 4:1-2 about the glorious day of the Lord, how 7 women will take hold of 1 man; don't we hear how there are MANY women even today wanting to take hold of one man; my nephew has 2 wives.
What do we do with Exodus where laws are given about providing for a second wife in the same way as the first wife? God didn’t give laws to regulate behavior he disapproved of. God clearly condoned polygamy in Exodus, and the “only for Kings” argument is not supported by Scripture.
Many godly men had multiple wives and even concubines. The law said if a man took another wife, he must not diminish the wives marital rights by providing for her.
Rob Bailey this was not a command by Moses as a concession. The passage in Exodus 21 begins with “And the Lord said” and presents itself as direct word from God to Moses, not just from Moses to the people. God determines what is Law and what is sin, and He changes not.
@@robbailey464 Hardness of heart- can that be said of all the men of faith, including the Patriarchs of the faith? And that verse that was cited, haf to do with divorce...not polygamy. With polygamy, wives are being added, not subtracted...as prescribed by the law given by God thru Moses his servant. Sin is trangression of the law (1 John 3:4) which law (if any) outright condemns polygamy as sin? Gods law also says to not "add nor subtract from it" (Dueteronomy 4:2) If additional wives are indeed a sin, there should be a clear law forbidding the practice.
Rob Bailey But Jesus spoke of the Torah saying not one jot would ever change. We cannot dogmatically teach that polygamy is sinful. Gods law is forever established in heaven and what is wrong is always wrong. By the way, I appreciate the gentlemanly way you discuss these things.
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, *Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.* 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:17-19
God didn't allow polygamy He ordained polygyny unless the man desires the office of Bishop or Deacan. God gave David all of Saul's wives as a gift, so God condones polygyny. Marriage is a picture of the relationship God has with the church. One God (bride groom) many members of the church (the bride) The lesson you gave of the rich man taking another man's only sheep was wrong. God was angry at David for taking another man's wife. That is adultery. Your understanding of this subject is trainted by your church tradition and not governed by the words of God. David was the apple of God's eye, contrary to you he always obeyed God all of his life while he was a polygynist. "Because David did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any thing that he commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite." 1 Kings 15:5 He had many wives and God blessed him. Shame on you for twisting the scriptures to suit your false teaching.
Thank you Dr Gentry! “They were examples of Faith not examples of morality”...that explains Samson and Jepthah being named in the famous Hebrews Chapter 11 Hall of Faith chapter...I have always been puzzled by this? How could Samson (his lifestyle) and Jepthah (sacrificing his daughter) be in this faith chapter.
You should know the answer to that. Because we live under grace. The truth is man is totally depraved, however when Yeshua shed his blood of Calvary those sins were remitted. Anybody since been saved for more than a year should know that you see the junk there teaching in the seminaries.
@@rickperez1336 I know where it's located. Read it again...use varying versions. Jepthah's daughter wasn't burned as an offering. Her life wasn't lamented...her virginity was.
Well first of all it doesn't exactly say he did kill her although it appears to me that he did. My opinion about this if he did it he did it on his own accord. I do not see any conversation between him and Yahweh about what should be done. Yahweh doesn't take human sacrifices I think there's something not exactly right with this story. In other words I'm saying I don't know the answer to that particular verse to be honest. I'll say it one more time though I think he opened his big mouth I don't see Yahweh asking for that. The only time that that happened before was when Abraham took Isaac and you don't notice that God stopped him and he sent a ram that they didn't use for the sacrifice. Something doesn't seem right with this story.
It is still not forbidden. We as a Christian culture acknowledge it demeans the value of women and banned it. Despite our best efforts though, many modern women would claim not allowing them to be in a polygamous relationship denies them choice in their own lives.
@2:22 Crazy. Arbaham amd Jacob were two of theb most righteous men to ever live. Sinful sectarians have to slander them to to try and force their narrative into Scripture rather than let the scriptures speak for themselves.
God told David, while he had 18 wives, after he got Uriah the Hittite killed for Bethsheba, that He had given him all he had and he could have asked for more, so 18 wives wasn’t too many for God or are you saying God was promoting sin?
2 Samuel 12:1 ¶ Then the LORD sent Nathan to David. And he came to him, and said to him: “There were two men in one city, one rich and the other poor. 2 “The rich man had exceedingly many flocks and herds. 3 “But the poor man had nothing, except one little ewe lamb which he had bought and nourished; and it grew up together with him and with his children. It ate of his own food and drank from his own cup and lay in his bosom; and it was like a daughter to him. 4 “And a traveler came to the rich man, who refused to take from his own flock and from his own herd to prepare one for the wayfaring man who had come to him; but he took the poor man’s lamb and prepared it for the man who had come to him.” 5 ¶ So David’s anger was greatly aroused against the man, and he said to Nathan, “As the LORD lives, the man who has done this shall surely die! 6 “And he shall restore fourfold for the lamb, because he did this thing and because he had no pity.” 7 ¶ Then Nathan said to David, “You are the man! Thus says the LORD God of Israel: ‘I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you from the hand of Saul. 8 ‘I gave you your master’s house and your master’s wives into your keeping, and gave you the house of Israel and Judah. And if that had been too little, I also would have given you much more! 9 ‘Why have you despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in His sight? You have killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword; you have taken his wife to be your wife, and have killed him with the sword of the people of Ammon.
Sin = Transgression of the Law (Torah). The Torah specifically states what to do in regards to having more than one wife and it commands you to take your brothers wife and give her kids if your brother was childless, EVEN IF YOU HAVE A WIFE. Adding to the Word of God is Sin, so you need to show chapter and verse where God calls something a sin or you have added to the Word of God, WHICH IS SIN.
Why does the force allow a dark side? Is Rey really a descendant of Luke Skywalker? Should Dumbledore have told Harry the truth about He who cannot be named? Bible fan boys. Yes. You sound just as ridiculous.
For some reason I think their was no love 😔 it was just lust,good luck to people if they can love more than one person and have multiple lovers,I can't even imagine me in such position, I'd be so so hurt💔
Multiple lovers, is not what God allows, for this would allow women to have more than one husband, but as we see in Romans 7:1-3, this is adultery! You cannot imagine having a wonderful husband who loves you and cherishes you, and also loves his other wife. This is because you assume that if he loves another woman, somehow he no longer loves you. That is a faulty assumption and resulted in the unnecessary breakup of several marriages.
@@danieldeluca4936 back to total derangement. God intended one man and one wife United in one flesh Genesis 2:24. You can’t read the first two chapters of the Bible and accept God concept of marriage as he intended your deranged.
@@lesliewinchester8225 God only intended one wife for SOME men, while for others, he intended no wife whatsoever, and still others, he intended them to have MORE than one wife. There is nothing in Gen 2:24 that states how many wives a man cna have. It only states that when he marries his first wife, he must leave his parents and be united with his wife. Jesus used this to explain that they are no longer two, but one flesh. Obviously, the man who has left his parents and become united to his wife, cannot leave his parents when he marries his second wife, whether his first wife is still living or not! So now you think you can diagnose my state of mind, as if you were a psychologist who has had a session with me. You are unhinged. You cannot even spell "you're" properly.
@@danieldeluca4936 Genesis 2:24one man one wife United in flesh Your denial of that meaning anything other than what it says is ridiculous. Show me the Bible quote that says God or Jesus insisted men deviate ever from Genesis. Jesus said to even think about someone other than you wife is adultery. He never said wives because you only get one according to three places in the Bible. If you can’t recognize sin from people in the Bible your brain dead. You can’t even acknowledge men have the one appendage to please only one woman. It is absolutely deranged that any man would think otherwise.
Deuteronomy 21:15-23 King James Version 15 If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated: 16 Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn: 17 But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his.
He did a really good job telling you what the Bible doesn't say. He tickled your ears. Read your Bible, believe the words on the page, don't believe this false teacher.
@@lesliewinchester8225 That is outrageous! I know lots of women who never married and who want or have wanted a husband. I know of two right now who bemoan the fact that their younger brother is getting married, and they are both still looking for their "Prince Charming". My older sister was in her late 30s when she finally married, and she told me of how she cried herself to sleep every night. A worship pastor at my former church spoke of a lady who finally found a husband when she was 81 years old!
@@LanLe-rz4lm But it proves that not only polygamy was allowed but in some cases it was promoted. There's a story about it in the Genesis 38 (Tamara and Judah).
@@heraclito3114 More like commanded in some cases & regulated altogether, so it's done right to benefit all parties involved, but Yessirr! Polgyny - one man, multiple women.
But God blessed and praised his polygamous messengers. He never once condemned them for breaking his law in this area. Not Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob and all of his sons would qualify to preach in my Baptist church. But, they were blessed and praised by God. I still haven't heard an explanation that makes sense other than that God had different standards in OT and NT times
In the Bronze Age, every man had as many wives and concubines as he could afford to feed. Wives were status symbols. By having several wives, a man could make sure that he'd have a lot of sons, who would work for him and fight for him. Having sons was considered a divine blessing. Kings needed especially many wives, in order to make sure they'd get male offspring, to rule the Kingdom after the King's demise. Unfortunately, the King could not marry women of his own country, because they were all from families inferior to him, so he had to marry a foreign princess, who was of royal blood. Unfortunately, with foreign princesses also came foreign Gods, foreign priests, foreign temples and foreign forms of worship. Originally, the Jews didn't have Kings, so this was not a big problem.
Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold. Deuteronomy:17:17
The question is not why was the king motivated to have multiple wives, but rather why did God allow it. Or what I think people really want to know is why are there examples of godly men in the Old Testament with multiple wives? Doesn't that contradict the Jewish and Christian belief of monogamy? I think this video did a good job confirming that the presence of polygamy in the bible does NOT equal the approval of polygamy by God. What he didn't say, that I believe can be gathered, is that when are saved from our sins through faith, God calls us to repentance but focuses on what we did right, not our failures. Kind of like using Peter as a foundational leader in the church in spite of his denial of Christ on black friday.
Great points! We also need to remember that it was never God's original will for Israel to have a king..probably to avoid these very problems...but you kind of alluded to that in you last statement. God's wisdom is truely profound.
God forbade Israelites from marrying foreigners. That was a big NO NO. That is how Solomon got in trouble. God expressly told the Israelites that they could not marry foreign wives because "they will turn your hearts to other gods" which is exactly what happened to Solomon.
Polygamy has never been rescinded since Bible times. Another word if a person did it now they would not be breaking any biblical prohibition. However, in today's society it's extremely hard to do anything near that because of the social issues that it causes.. I think that people are going to find out that seminaries and their professors that teaches them I have some kind of agenda and it really disturbs me. You going to teach you to Seminary run a seminary then teach it about the word of God not the current political winds.
Hit the nail on the head. Its not politically acceptable, nor accepted by American culture or society for the most part. Nor by most of modern Christianity. ...however, it is Biblically acceptable. Its also not a sin according to the Bible if done correctly. Marriage has been expanded to same genders here in America. And the courts in Utah found a ban on polygamy to be unconstitutional. Most State Constitutions afford us the freedom of religion, along with the Federal Bill of Rights. Problem is, it wont be legally recognized. And whatever social pressure one must endure for living plural marriage of multiple wives an children.
@@ianbrown7066 no the woman at the well had been married several times in the man she was currently with was not her husband if you read the conversation between her and Jesus.
@@sinistransgressionofthetor5449 yeah a lot of sacred name groups are going down that path though dude. And it's a stated my posters no biblical prohibition against it but I think that the circumstances were different in that day and time than they are now. I don't know that I have a specific answer but I don't think I can disagree with your post I think you're right.
Notice that He doesn’t quote any scriptures that say explicitly that God condemned polygamy. God actually gave David all of Saul’s Wives. “And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.” 2 Samuel 12:8 KJV “If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated: Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn:” Deuteronomy 21:15-16 KJV
Genesis 2:24, the definition of biblical marriage. It states clearly a man and a woman. This passage states the number of participants, their genders, and expectation of marriage length. Anything that departs from this is sin.
@@s.s.7754 It says man and woman would become one flesh. It doesnt offer a limit to the number wives here at all. Your reading something into the text that isnt there.
@@peaceblessings4512 Therefore, "a man" shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to "his wife," and they shall become one flesh. One man, one woman. It doesn't say men or wives.
Peace & Blessings You’re correct. If Dr. Gentry would like to setup an open live recorded debate on whether Polygyny is sin according to The Scriptures, I’d be happy to pass on his contact information to Pastor Dowell. This way all can see both sides and judge who’s telling the truth.
Wow, this has to be one of the best answer to not only the polygamy subject but also well describing what the Old Testament is! How often people takes the Old Testament as an image or direct representation of God, instead of seeing that it is history, and the relationship between God and his people. The Bible does not contradict itself and God is, was and will always be the same. Thank you for this video, and glory to God. Maybe "What is the Old Testament" would be a good addition to the title.
I keep telling people this and they keep trying to contradict God's character. I pray that God will give them understanding so that they know that He loves us all so much that He gave His only begotten son to pay the wages of sin: death.
“If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be her's that was hated: then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn: but he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his.” Deuteronomy 21:15-17 KJV God allows you to have mutiple wives . 1 Joash was seven years old when he began to reign, and he reigned forty years in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Zibiah of Beer-sheba. 2 And Joash did that which was right in the sight of the LORD all the days of Jehoiada the priest. 3 And Jehoiada took for him two wives; and he begat sons and daughters. (2 Chronicles 24:1-3 KJV) Joash Pleased God and he had 2 wives . 29 And Jerubbaal the son of Joash went and dwelt in his own house. 30 And Gideon had threescore and ten sons of his body begotten: for he had many wives. 31 And his concubine that was in Shechem, she also bare him a son, whose name he called Abimelech. 32 And Gideon the son of Joash died in a good old age, and was buried in the sepulchre of Joash his father, in Ophrah of the Abi-ezrites. (Judges 8:29-32 KJV) Gideon was a Judge of Israel and he had mutiple wives and 70 sons and he pleased God .
@@RandommomfromOntario I have one But i will not allow anyone to Lie on God and say he said something when the bible clearly states you can marry 2 women. But there’s way more that’s Goes into it than just having 2 wives . The Man is the head and his head has to be God or you will be Leading yourself and whoever you marry down a dangerous path . It definitely is not easy and everyone is not going to be able to do it because you have to be committed because you have to properly take care of both , you cannot Diminish Your first wife to take another one or vice versa. i am more thank happy to send scriptures or answer Any question that God had equipped me with the answers to, and i send Bible for anything i charge to God .
There are more women than men in most countries. If it is indeed 1 man and 1 woman, what do the other women do that want children and to be a wife. Are they just out of luck?
Sounds like somebody needs to actually study their scriptures rather than cherry pick and torture the scripture. When you can explain Jeremiah 3, and Ezekiel 23 and Jeremiah 31:31, 32 and explain how polygamy can be wrong or sin, when God describes himself as being married to two women, we might have something to talk about. Till then you’re just exposing your lack of scriptural knowledge and Romanish bias. (Not to mention a proclivity for logical fallacy that boggles the imagination for a professor or seminary leader)
Read well please because he allows polygamy actually this video is not saying the truth. But when David took another man's wife God said " if you wanted another wife I would have given it to you". He didn't say you have enough wives u don't need any more. But I do agree God's plan was 1 wife. 23 Do you think that God changed this commandment about polygamy in the old testament which shows that God allowed polygamy :Exo 21:10 NHEB-YHWH If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, and her marital rights. Because he did with some commandments in the new testament. Here they are: Actually I believe that this was written in Chapter John, Jesus says he is changing some laws in the bible. And he mentioned because the people in the old testament were very evil he allowed them to do what they want and he says now it is different. One of the examples is God allowing divorce when a man gives certain amount of money to the woman who married her whether from fornication, rape, marriage ceremony. So, the God in the old Testament allowed divorce. Also, there were three ways that people got married in the old Testament. One was sex (becoming one flesh), second rape (google sex in marriage and divorce bible verses in the old testament), third was marriage ceremony. Anyone who committed any of them was considered married according to God's commandments in the old testament. In the new testament when God was speaking to the women (at the water) who was having sex with many men, God reveals that she is not married (highlight that God considered her not married it is not a word mentioned in the bible but the story concludes that) and she is sinning (fornication). (which is opposite from the old testament as I mentioned). So, As you see The Bible changed some of the commandment from the old testament to the new testament. Lastly, God himself says he came to finish (perfect) the testimony and fulfill the prophecies. (Perfecting his biblical book, changing some of his commandment as you see from what is mentioned above). There is nothing wrong with God changing his laws in Bible as he is fulfilling the law (which means making it perfect, and that means to perfect something you can change it. Which is what Jesus did). This is something most Christians miss.
Sounds like you’ve made up and your mind and you don’t care what anyone else says or does, or even what the Bible says (because he never quoted it directly in this video).
I hate when people try to explain Scriptures and wanna make YAHs way our Way. So didn't YAH tell King David that HE GAVE ALL OF SAULS WIVES TO HIM? 2 Samuel 12:8. Then where do yall get this from that Abraham was disobedient and got Hagar Pregnant? NO SARAH was doing an Ancient Custom that MANY of the original 12 Tribes came from , cause some of them were born from Hand Maidens. Sarah was the one WHO told Abraham to Sleep with HAGAR. Genesis 16. The PROMISE for the seed to come through SARAH was made AFTER ISHMAEL was born. Genesis 17:15-16. Yall teach this wrong. He didn't try and fo things on his own. Yall add to the scripture trying to be more wise than the MOST HIGH. Genesis 17:17-22 , The PROMISE IS given for SARAH, AFTER THE BIRTH OF ISHMAEL. Abraham did not SIN in this regard. Read the scripture and NOT the commentary of other Men or a Seminary school.
Don't listen to this man he hasn't got a clue. At 5:27 he says men in the new testament don't hold up old testament men up for morals but by their faith. Tell me again how does one get righteousness; from faith. Morals= righteousness= faith.
sorry Bog, but you got it backwards. And yes he is correct that in the NT, especially in Hebrews, OT people are typically held up for their faith, not their morality. Every great character in the OT had serious problems with their moral failings, but the virtue that unifies them all is their faith and believing loyalty to YAHWEH. Our righteousness doesn't come from our morality, or following a code or law. Our righteousness comes from Jesus and through our faith in Him. Read Hebrews 11.
@Cassie Cox all things should be tested and grounded in the word. You are taking traditions of men and placing it as God commands just as the pharisees did. Polygamy was an acceptable custom in Israel and Judah. It became less common only under Rome because Rome only permitted one wife. They also permitted unlimited divorce and affairs. But only one wife. You are painting your opinion on the bible when you say God is against polygamy. God said a woman can only have one husband at a time clearly. He never said that man can only have one wife at a time. God has no problem telling people what is wrong. He prohibits tons of things because it is unhealthy for us. Polygamy isn't among those things. Also God was a polygamist in Jeremiah having 2 wives, both Israel and Judah. His words not mine. It is very dangerous when you paint your opinion on the word of God. He saids what he means and means what he said. God would be guilty of the sin of Eli, who failed to discipline his sinful sons. Also what kind of a just God would just imply something is evil and judge you by it. No, God plainly teaches what is wrong and how to avoid it. You don't have to speculate. You either stand on the word or you stand on sand that washes away with the tide. Many modern day Christians believe what we have today is more like what God wants than ancient Israel. I believe many modern day Christians are puffed up and stiff necked. Acient Israel wasn't based off men's laws, but God's laws. It is a perfect system but they couldn't live up to it. Also God gave David everything he had, including his wives. This is in second Samuel. And God would had given more if David had asked. I'm here to Defend the Bible and the prophets. People make sin where there is no sin and then make sinful things acceptable like divorce and homosexuality, worshipping idols and other heresies in many modern churches. The spirit has guided me in truth and wisdom and my heart is lite. I have researched this topic considerably and have only found the counter arguements of guilt by association with cherry picking and Adam and Eve story as what God intents. However that isn't always the case. Adam and Eve isn't the only path, Jesus said not all men can carry the burden of marriage and should remain unwed. God told Jeremiah to not marry. People often want to tell God what is his perfect Will. We need to silence ourselves and listen to his word. He is clearly not against polygamy.
Bog Dawson Romans 2:13 For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified. There’s only one definition for righteousness and it’s keeping the commandments in the Torah (Law). This verse says it plainly but there are many more like it. There is no commandment against multiple wives in the Law. Those men in the Old Testament could have had multiple wives and still been righteous.
Trying to build a case against polígamo with your arguments and saying that is immoral is complete no sense. Life in those times were so different to ours therefore you can’t apply the type of judgment you bring. Imagine the case of Ruth or the four wife’s of Jacob that are the base for the 12 tribes of Israel. Nowhere in the scriptures there is a condemnation for polygamy, as long as you can afford to have several wife’s with everything they needed. Having only one wife is not an insurance for a happy life. Please stop arriving to conclusion and portrait a false image of the will of God.
God never changes, neither does his morality. His understanding of marriage is what is wrong, as he's relying on 19c feminism that infiltrated the American church as modern Christian morality.
Yes "do not take many wives" and "a man shall leave and become one with his wife and the TWO shall be One" use your head. Idiot polygamous men are the reason feminism exist, thanks for that
"Only kings could afford multiple wives." It's funny how you're so perceptive at seeing God's warnings against sexual sin and miss the part where he had the exact same warnings against the entire concept of kings as well. That passage in Deuteronomy basically tells the Israelites, "You shouldn't have a king" if you really examine it's proscriptions on would be rulers.
@@TreyAscetic Originally, kingship was opposed and Saul became king to demonstrate where that kingship would lead. David was instituted as one whom God approved of but even he fell into gross sins. There were very few kings in Israel including David, Hezekiah and Josiah and one or two others who could be seen as God-fearing. 1 Samuel chapter 8 tells of God's response to the people's demand to have a king rule over them and it isn't favorable.
My nephew has 2 wives and he's just starting out in the world at 23. I know MANY polygnous men who have their wives to thank for inspiring them to be entrepreneurs and masters of their world. If they only had one woman, they each said they wouldn't have gone as far as they have, & would actually be far WORSE. These men are not kings, but having multiple wives makes them THINK LIKE ONE.
Not only do the wives fight and lead their husband astray, but having multiple wives to set yourself up as king is blasphemy. God is king and man's efforts to aggrandize himself usurpes God's holy station.
What is marriage for? For procreation, so that the world can be filled up, in line with the economy capabilities. So if a man can manage many wives let him be. We are currently in a situation where there are are so many single mothers which is not healthy for the offsprings.
That is a fact but it’s conform to Cleave to our thinking and the ways and methodologies of mankind verses actual Scripture. The Lord has permitted eating of meat and polygamy but it’s clear it is not the standard he led with.
@ Should we be condemning meat eaters as sinners? Or casting non-vegans out of the church? Or should we all walk around naked, without shame, since that was God’s original intent?
But, included in Nathan's conversation with David, God's message is delivered at 2 Samuel 12:8: "And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things." David was already a polygamist... And it's said God delivered multiple wives to David and could have given more ... It was adultery that was David's sin, not polygamy itself. As for showing negative examples of polygamy... That's almost all relationships mentioned in scripture. Apart from Adam and Noah's family where there was no option but monogamy (and resulted immediately afterward in incest, which seems worse than polygamy), what monogamous relationships are mentioned in the Bible? Mary and Joseph seems to be a positive example, sure enough... But the only other one that comes to mind is Samson and Dililah.... Wherein she just consistently tried to kill him. Is this scripture exposing the flaws of monogamy? Solomon's problem was that some of his wives were pagan and lead him astray. Would that have been less the case if he married only ONE misleading pagan woman? No. I'm not suggesting polygamy is a good idea... The Bible doesn't specifically allow it... But it also doesn't specifically condemn it, and we should not add to the bible.
You are smart to see what the Bible ACTUALLY says (and what it DOESN’T say) on these matters. I’m doing a series exploring this part of the Bible if you want another perspective.
@@toughbiblepassages9082 Sure. Also, I find the name interesting. I'll be sure to watch, and if you'd like any help researching, I'd be glad to help. There are quite a few topics I keep wanting to make videos on, but life's rather challenging at the moment.
@@morielrorschach8090 yes, I’m open to any critique or improvements. Even now I’m finding tiny things I post that may be misleading and have to re edit (My channel has a description of my background as it relates to how I understand the Bible) I have no formal training in any seminary, but I am very well read and informed on the topics I address. I just get frustrated when I see church leaders misrepresent the text in order to avoid so called uncomfortable statements of the Bible
that's the point. humanity is sinful. we are all flawed and should all repent. this includes even the historical bible heroes! Moses, King David as he said, even Jesus' 12 disciples themselves! again, humanity is flawed and needs salvation. it is not a mark on God that people are sinful, it is a mark on people. it's a logical fallacy to say Christianity is bad because people are bad. again, that's the point. we need to repent.
@@Durangotek Every other religion says that we must extricate ourselves out of the mess we're in, i.e. that we must haul ourselves up by our own bootstraps. Scripture instructs us in various ways that only God can do this and not we ourselves.
According to the bible, God instructs to take multiple wives. This I have issues with. Half of Gods human population are treated like cattle. Of course it was women that could be killed for adultery, meanwhile the man just took extra wives and concubines. Either scribes falsely out words in Gods mouth or there is something very wrong. Don’t kid yourselves women would ever have been happy with this. Men’s greed is what it is
I'm sorry to say this, but this video contains a factual error. Royal figures were NOT the only ones who had multiple wives. In the book of Samuel we read of Samuel's parents. His father had two wives, and was as far from sitting on the throne as you can get. Jacob and Esau were never royal figures, yet both practiced polygymy. It does seem to be a taboo by the time of Jesus, but it was not just restricted to kings.
I feel sorry when I hear such questions like why did God allow Polygamy. People who are watching this video don't be deceived. God is God. He can decide what He wants to do with anything He created. He even says it in the Bible. So why does the world want to claim to be wiser over something they can never create? Please stop putting words into God's mouth. The only being who could answer this question is God Himself. And the fact that He never justifies why He does certain things. It means you don't have that right to know. You will go to hell!!!
Why was David who was perfect in Gods eyes but also had many wives the sin he committed was he took another mans wife but before that he had no problems with God.
Why would a man want more than one mother-in-law?
Masochism?
More practice exercising charity..? 😂😂😂
Mixing all of them to have a good one
that is a good one LOL!!!
😂😂
Why do people say, "Why did GOD 'allow' it?" when MAN does strange things? Why do people blame God for their misdeeds? God allowed man freedom of choice. He gave them the ability to know right from wrong and to choose either one knowing that there would be consequences depending on what they choose. It is as simple as that.
When did god “allow” freedom of choice? Humans took freedom when god wouldn’t allow it. The people you are referring to would rather be ignorant and still in the “garden”.
Because Moses knows more than the guy making this video. If it was a sin, he wouldn't have done it. It's very simple.
@@jdwest34 that’s what he said, there going to be consequences for what you choose to do.
@@jdwest34 that is actually a good philosophic conundrum you present. Can light exist without darkness? Is it possible for good to exist without evil? Was SOMEONE predestined to choose evil to prove that freedom of choice and good and evil exist? Perhaps this is why God had a plan of Salvation even before he laid the foundation of existence and creation.
@@thomasstevens9551 when God is all powerful and all loving how can we not simply have good /goodness why create chaos when we're all his children ,can't we live in peace???
This is off topic but can we give some appreciation to this man's fantastic beard?
It's obviously fake. Made out of velvet
Lev 19:27
right?! that was my very first thought
I didn’t even notice anything different with the beard, was far too busy listening to what he’s saying.
This I also observed. Nice well maintained beard indeed. Im not so impressed with his theology however.
I can understand why Solomon said "everything is meaningless.." :)
Lol
Bro had become bored with his wisdom
@@hoshi8741 and God apparently lol
Hundreds of wives and concubines later he gets that revelation. Lol🤣😂😅
Perspective not Biblical truth for all
In my opinion when people say why did god 'allow' polygamy, theyre really asking: "why isnt polygamy a sin?"
It technically is. Marriage is one man and one women. If you have more than one wife or husband. U r not loyal to that ONE PERSON. Which is adultery...which is a sin
Kayla Battle What scripture did you get your definition of adultery from?
@@kayla_battle that is not true. Even for sake of argument i can agree with you but still ask "why is it technical and not actual"? God was not technical when he gave commandments
You need to be more clear. What you mean to ask is, why isn’t 1 man, multiple wives a sin? Because it is a sin with 1 woman and multiple men.
First. How you know it’s not a sin. 1 Timothy. Where it describes the expectations of pope and deacon. These are the men who must have no more than a single wife. If It was was a sin, That would be obvious. He wouldn’t have needed to say “he can’t be a murderer”. He went out of his way to say that because, for others, it wasn’t a sin.
The why? Well. One can only guess God’s reasons, but I’ve found God to always have good reasons for what he says/demands. If I were to guess, with limited effort, I can already think of situations when polygamy might not only be allowed, it might be necessary. Say when half the men of child birthing age, if you can call it that, are dead from war.
Polygamy isn't sin. If it were, God would never have called prophets who were polygamists and allowed their priesthood authority to continue.
This is how I look at it: God created us with the ability to procreate. Is the act of sex wrong in itself? Of course not. It's the boundaries that God has set for it. As long as it is within the bonds of marriage, that's acceptable. Once outside of it, it is no longer acceptable, and it's in violation of God's laws.
God gave the law and institution of marriage, and he sets the rules and boundaries. If it were ever wrong in his eyes for a man to marry more than one woman, he would have made it to clear that it was immoral to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the men and prophets through the ages who did so.
"Hell and Destruction are never full..therefore the eyes of man are never satisfied."-Proverbs 27:20
Who wrote the Proverbs ?
Man wrote it all and then rewrote it a few times@@blackpearlteachings2393
God “allows” humans to do what ever they want because they have free will. Just because man does it doesn’t mean God sanctions it. God lays out his will for man it’s up to man to be obedient.
John The Revelator Thanks, man. I thought people like you did not exist in the comments section, lol.
God sanctions everything that occurs. He is very tolerant, he has no creed.
God actually gave multiple wives to king David. He even said he would have given him more if he asked. It was not a question of God "allowing " it. God actively supported it.
2 Samuel 12:8.
No he does not
Marriage!! What a beautiful elucidation on The Original purpose, Desire and path of The Almighty God. How I wish our generation will see and hear this. Thank You sir.
No western male should ever consider marrying. What are the benefits? There's only disadvantages that makes a man into a submissive simp to be fleeced by the family court system.
Polygomy: what a beautiful elucidation on the purpose and path of god, representing his unconditional, unbiased love and freedom of choice.
@@stef3603 a path that leads to jealousy, lies, distrust, and in a truly primordial context.... murder and tribal war. Love is not defined by sex according to leftists. Polygamy has nothing to do with love. It's not selfless in any capacity.
@stef3603 yes freedom of choice.. to be in a Monogamous marraige. HalleluYAH ❤️🔥
@@RandommomfromOntario “If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be her's that was hated: then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn: but he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his.”
Deuteronomy 21:15-17 KJV
God allows you to marry multiple wives . after reading this go back and read all the new testament. There is only 1 instance where the Bible clearly states A man can only marry 1 Wife .
“A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;”
1 Timothy 3:2 KJV
A Bishop must be the husband of one wife . What would be the need for God to clarify that, if everyone only has 1 wife . That statement alone shows you there are instances where someone with more than 1 wife is present .
Why any man would want the headache of having more than one wife is beyond me. One is one more than I care to deal with.
Misagynists shouldn't even take one wife.
Polygamy wasn’t the answer for a poor marriage I don’t believe. If you really had good success with number 1 you might get another if you could afford it and wanted lots of kids. I guess.
@@beam5037 Vasectomies are awsome and I got the 2nd marriage right.
I’m guessing Women are much better wives when they aren’t the only ones. I once had a rooster who had only one hen and she treated him like dirt. The other rooster I had , had many hens and they all treated him well, some better than others.
Beam same in real life with women.
Proverbs 3:5 trust in the Lord with thine whole heart and lean not to thine own understanding
and the rest of that verse is "in all thy ways acknowledge Him and He shall direct thy path."
Ye, and amen.
Amen
@@marriageofthelambassemblie1693 Great ministry. Polygyny is not against Torah
Jesus trumps em all and he rejected polygamy.
Nice lighting dude.. your director of photography should have a bonus this year :) Nice topic too
I have been struggling with this topic while reading the Old Testament. This is probably best explanation I have heard on this subject.
The reason you struggled, is that the Holy Spirit was telling you, through the Word of God, that there is nothing wrong with polygyny, but you didn't want to accept that, and so you found a teacher that will tickle your itching ears and will justify the unrighteous jealousy that you allow yourself to have.
@@danieldeluca4936
Are you a Mormon?
@@eew8060 Nope! I had a chance to talk to a couple of Mormon missionaries in my home recently. I mentioned to them that the Book of Mormon specifically condemns polygamy in five places, including the Book of Jacob, chapter 2. What about you? Are you Mormon?
@@danieldeluca4936
Nope. Not a Mormon. I also don't believe the bible promotes polygamy at all. One man one woman relationships only
@@eew8060 Well the only book that tells you that polygamy is prohibited, is the Book of Mormon, so you would fit in real well with the mainline Mormon church. The Bible has no condemnation of non-excessive polygyny whatsoever!
These comments are wise but ultimately unhelpful. The Old Testament goes beyond merely describing incidents of polygamy. The law of Moses (dictated by Jehovah!) outlines rules for polygamy and slave wives. This can't just be ignored.
No and it's not a contradiction either. What did the jews in the Bible do? Moses wanted them to walk up the mountain and see God for themselves but they refused. They just wanted Moses to do it for them. They damned themselves to a lesser law. So the rules you're talking about are just administrative rules for living in their community in the lower state they chose for themselves. And you can see how it turned out for them. I dont condemn them myself as most Christians are now doing exactly as they did at that time. Lazy, won't know God, choose a lower and easier way.
The question was never answered. The video explained what happened with multiple wives but not why God allowed it which was the question.
Tim Fevens Exactly!
Tim Fevens it could be because God allows us freely do what we want, he gives us free will, it’s up to us to do what is righteous
and what happened with multiple wives was exactly why God said one man one women, it was a warning they missed the point like you missed the point in the video.
@Dariu Toma No, that is not the question. The question is, why do you randomly sprinkle apostrophes throughout so many of your plurals?
@@GeorgeDEE78 Chapter nad verse, please.
It's still hard to understand since it was God himself who gave Saul's wives to David (2 Sam. 12:8). By so doing, isn't God tacitly approving polygamy by blessing (?) David with many?
Rob Bailey, To populate the earth & continue family lines.
Monogamous relationships came later. With you bro.
Population was sufficient by this time, surely.
It was viewed as a blessing by the people of that time, but look at all the trouble that came from David’s many wives. God allows us to do and have things that are not always good for us sometimes, probably in the hopes that we learn and come eventually to see what matters most in the end. Just my take.
yeah often things that God permits to happen are things in which people describe as God doing*. As Brodi mentioned above, these may be things that aren't ideal and sometimes serve to sculpt a person. Solomon may have been allowed (by God) to have these wives specifically to place him under the temptation of multiplying wives. Such temptations are allowed to test ones faith - this is heavily echoed in the new testament.
I once listened to a Muslim and a Christian have a light discussion back and forth.
Both were trying to show why the other why their faith was incorrect.
Finally, the Muslim says something aling the lines of:
"You may be right...I may be wrong...but at least I do what my book says.
Why dont Christians do what their book says? Why should anyone listen to a hypocrite? Even atheists know more about what the Bible says then most Christians!
Your book says dont eat pork, and Christians eat pork. It says observe Passover, and Christians observe Easter. It says rest on Sabbath, and Christians font do it."
Muslims know they can take 4 wives and multiply children.
The Bible places no restrictions on believers. Christians can take multiple wives and multiply children, yet they listen to what their Pastor or denomination teaches, rather than what the Bible teaches. Its their fault for trusting in man, rather than trusting in God.
One can say there is no need to keep Gods command to be fruitful and multiply...yet is the righteous on earth increasing...or decreasing? I see much sin and wickedness today.
May so called believers be cursed until they wake up and repent...namely those teaching falsehood.
_I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live..._
_Dueteronomy __30:19_
I really appreciate Dr. Gentry's style and cadence of explaining very hard answers to very hard questions. I have profited well from his answers in understanding what polygamy was in the Bible and what it was not.
I personally think he avoided texts that contradict his hypothesis.
read my comment sir
@@toughbiblepassages9082 where in the Bible does it say that polygamy is okay. Can you make a TH-cam video citing this. Thanks
Especially since I was Mormon for 60 years. 🤭Truly, thanks,
@@sabrinamartino777 may i ask u this question : in which case divorce in allowed according to new testament ?
Not only was polygamy allowed in some circumstances it was commanded in the bible, if a mans brother died with no offspring he was to marry his deceased brothers widow and multiply with her. Also when the prophet confronted David for stealing Uriahs wife God told David "if you wanted more I would had given you more(wives and concubines) but why did you have to take Uriahs wife". In the west marriage is a sham and it's not wise to even have one wife since women have too much leverage in marriage, with no fault divorce a woman can divorce a man for any reason and take half his belongings his kids and force him to pay child support and alimony. 70% of marriages in the west and initiated by women and 92% of divorces are initiated by the woman if she is college educated.
@Alec Alberti agreed!👏🏽
God’s plan from the beginning was one man and one woman. Too many issues arise with polygamous relationships.
@Alec Alberti oh wow where is your response dear? I was getting ready to read it I don't have enough time to read it at work. Can you repost it could you send it to me?
@Alec Alberti wow thank you so much for that information!! I just wann copy and save it somewhere and have you delete it. LOL I agree with your comment & the 1st brother's commented-on polygyny and monogamous relationships. Yes times are getting really hard and if these women won't sit down somewhere and humble themselves they will be left out in the dark unprotected and uncovered when true judgment rains down upon this Earth. Most of them are so busy chasing a college education as if that's going to be some sort of protection for them. They also act as if the college degree is going to assure them success in this world. Such a sad day and time we're living in indeed! May the Most High bless you for that information brother🙏🏽
@Alec Alberti and by the way with the comment you deleted I started to read it before I left work but I didn't finish. You didn't sound crazy at all. The people that look at us like we are crazy and we're so different we can look right back at them and see that they're just like everybody else. What a shame
I will get married in the eyes of God, I refuse to get married in the eyes of the State.
In the age of Grace, all is allowed, just not recommended. Proceed with caution.
Marriage License causes alot of problems. Its a union of man, woman, and state...a polygamous relationship.
To disolve it, the man and woman have to go before the government and get permission...
Why do you say that? I'm just trying to gain perspective.
Because I would do both, live by the laws of the land, but also being married in the eyes of God because that is what he wants.
The State will see it differently when it comes to who gets the house when it all goes sideways.
@@markwilding3828 Hopefully a marriage would be built to last. Unfortunately, evil could seep its way into someone life too easy
Love is the most important thing between a marriage. And the Level of Love both have for one another. Love never fails. Not even a certification of marriage will be able to break a marriages foundation built on Devoted Love.
Instead of rushing into something, it's important for both involved to Build a Strong Love Bond as well as Strong Convictions that will hinder anything looking to disrupt that Bond of Love.
And if one does not have desire ,Devotion, and Discipline for Love, the best thing would be to MOVE ON. For the sake of both your Hearts.
Not to mention that also when an old testament man had more than one wife, God opened the womb of the wife that was not loved as much as the other wife or wives.
God closed the womb of the wife that was loved more.
God speaks to this very thing in His law in Deuteronomy 21:15 and forbids a man from giving a double portion inheritance to his favored wife instead of to the actual firstborn son of an unfavored wife. I think the principle and spirit of the law here is outlawing a man from playing favorites, and how inheritance rights are granted is the example used to communicate that principle.
Finally, someone who can provide clear answers and explanations regarding the Bible without indulging in lengthy rhetoric. He gets straight to the point, using relevant biblical passages that are actually applicable.
Exactly
He didn’t answer the question though. We can see that God was not pleased with polygamy but, why did he allow it? Did David end up in hell because he had more than one wife which under the law of Moses would be considered adultery? That’s the real question. Did these men who had more than one wife commit adultery, ongoing sin and end up in hell?
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God made Adam and Eve. Not Adam, Eve, Stacy, and Jane.
YEEESSSSSS
Adam, eve, stacy,Jane, jack and jill, ....., , , , ,,
To be fair and accurate, God creates everyone.
@@rkirkpatrick01 yea but the garden account was not an orgy. The more as times goes on the more I see how sick and carnal we're becoming. Something so simple as Adam and Eve gets twisted into polygamy.
@@patpittz6709 will of course there is no "orgy" in the Bible.
Adam and Eve is a description, of events, not a prescription for others. For that we look at the legislation within God's word.
Exo 21:10
If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, or her marital rights.
If it were a case of adultery, well, the penalty for that was death. It's only a carnal mind that twists God's command into an orgy.
Very unsatisfying answer to the question... 5:26 - OT saints "never held up as moral examples, but only as examples of faith"? Seems a false distinction to me. How exactly does a hero of faith (Heb 11) live an IMmoral life? That seems a false distinction between "faith" and "acts of faith", or between faith and obedience (morals, ethics), both of which the OT saints abound in and for which are held up as examples in the NT. Obedience is faith. The saints were faith heroes in Heb 11 because of what they DID.
Better question than "Why did God allow" (which invites ambiguity) would be "Is polygamy sinful according to the Bible?" There's no law against it in either "Testament". Virtually every OT saint explicitly practiced it (and those that aren't explicitly shown to do so probably did so. As a rule, women are only mentioned in the Bible if they're relevant to the narrative. Thus there may have been more wives than are explicitly identified). God never condemned anyone for it. And God entered into covenant - it would appear - with a bunch of guys that were almost all, to a man, polygamists. If it was egregious to God (i.e. if God considered it adultery, a violation of the 7th commandment AND a capital offense), one has to wonder at his covenant making with Abraham, Jacob, David, not to mention his use of others (Gideon, Solomon). I personally think Moses had multiple wives. Zipporah was Midianite (of Abraham through Keturah; of the line of Shem). The wife he was accused of taking (by Miriam and Aaron) was Cushite (i.e. of Ham's line). That would make two wives at least (in addition to any not mentioned in the narrative). I would also speculate that the multiple different names for his father in law (Jethro, Reuel, Hobab) did not all refer to the same individual.
Seems a hard argument to make (against polygamy). But for most Christians, one generally believes something is wrong if one personally think it's wrong, irrespective of what the Bible says about it. In this case, the evidence against polygamy is clearly lacking, but that doesn't keep most Christians from believing it's the equivalent of adultery.
Yeah, it's hard to abstract faith from faithfulness. If these men were in fact faithless to God it seems unlikely they would also be heroes of the faith.
I would also add, as a preemptive strike, that arguments in favor of polygamy do not constitute the next phase of sexual deviancy by a backsliding nation, as it frequently bemoaned by conservative press (e.g. polyamory). This cannot be equated to free, no strings attached, non-paternalistic sexual revolution. What we see in the Bible is paternalistic to the hilt, was geared toward nation/tribe building, involved childbearing as an imperative, and marital responsibility. This was not "I'm free to roam and hookup with whomever (or whatever) I want" as is the cultural bent today.
@@derekthompson5731 You're incredibly articulate, and have the vocabulary of a well-spoken lawyer. Interesting.
You ask an important question... I think the deification of the biblical saints is at the root of many crisis' of faith. They had weaknesses and sin just like us, they were human, not gods. Shouldn't we be glad that God chooses to demonstrate that we can be right in his eyes with all our flaws?
Im still trying figure out how to get a camel through the eye of a needle. Now it doesn't say what size the needle has to be.
No where in scripture does it say that it is a sin to have more than one wife.
@@JRRodriguez-nu7po says who? 12 tribes came from 4 of Jacobs wives. Stop trying to add to the Torah. The Torah gives man the proper instructions on how to treat their wives if they choose to have more than one.
adultery has always been understood as sexual encounters outside of marraige (Mat. 19 Jesus affirms God's design as one woman and one man) and adultery is sin. In fact, adultery can even be commited in the heart w/ the eyes (Mat. 5).
@@chrishall227 adultury is having sex with another's spouce. How isnit adultury if you are married to the women?
@@chrishall227 Adultery has NOT always been defined as sex outside of marriage. It was understood in the old testament as specify the woman who breaks the wedlock (sleeping with a man other than her husband). In fact that's what the Hebrew word for "adultery" transliterates to. It wasn't defined by the man being exclusively with one woman.
I've come to the conclusion that monogamy was a principle or standard, but not a law. There is no mention of punitive action by God for polygamy, whereas for actual laws being broken, there was.
I find the morality vs faith argument interesting and likely valid.
Good talk!
How can a man cleave to multiple wives?
And how can he go about his current marriage while courting another? Doesn’t that require emotional and physical attraction? Adultery of the heart and even body?
@@Yohanyothan Marriage at that time was far more an economic or political union than anything to do with desire, love, or any other kind of attraction. Especially for wealthy or royal men. No courting involved. Many could legitimately argue that the direction to "cleave" to your wife has far more to do with providing security, food, clothing, housing, etc., than any emotional attachment and, if one has the means, can easily be done individually with multiple wives. Again, ancient Hebrew (and other) marriages of wealthy and royal men had so little to do with emotion and desire one could safely say those had nothing to do with it. FYI, I'm not a polygamy advocate for many reasons, but I do find most of the arguments against it based on biblical principles and examples extremely weak. For example, saying it's not good because of stories that it didn't end well is an argument that could also be applied to singular marriage. It often doesn't go well either.
@@pmgddm I'd lean more to the thought that it was cultural. There was no political or economic benefit to Moses have multiple wives, yet he did. Even if you go with the thought that in order to propagate the nation of Israel, polygamy was allowed, it seemed to be something that God allowed, though not his original purpose. Pre-Abraham biblical titans, Adam and Noah seemed to stick with the single wife principle but after that, it was game on, climaxing with the 700 wife/300 concubine insanity that was Solomon. If Abraham, Moses and David were polygamist, there's no justification for it to be a sin.
@@Yohanyothan Both sets of your questions deal with marriage from an emotional aspect. This is not relevant to law or even principle; for the sake of this argument.
I could listen to this guy explain scripture all day!
Please don’t!
Read well please because he allows polygamy actually this video is not saying the truth.
But when David took another man's wife God said " if you wanted another wife I would have given it to you". He didn't say you have enough wives u don't need any more. But I do agree God's plan was 1 wife.
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Do you think that God changed this commandment about polygamy in the old testament which shows that God allowed polygamy :Exo 21:10 NHEB-YHWH If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, and her marital rights. Because he did with some commandments in the new testament.
Here they are:
Actually I believe that this was written in Chapter John, Jesus says he is changing some laws in the bible. And he mentioned because the people in the old testament were very evil he allowed them to do what they want and he says now it is different.
One of the examples is God allowing divorce when a man gives certain amount of money to the woman who married her whether from fornication, rape, marriage ceremony. So, the God in the old Testament allowed divorce.
Also, there were three ways that people got married in the old Testament. One was sex (becoming one flesh), second rape (google sex in marriage and divorce bible verses in the old testament), third was marriage ceremony. Anyone who committed any of them was considered married according to God's commandments in the old testament. In the new testament when God was speaking to the women (at the water) who was having sex with many men, God reveals that she is not married (highlight that God considered her not married it is not a word mentioned in the bible but the story concludes that) and she is sinning (fornication). (which is opposite from the old testament as I mentioned). So, As you see The Bible changed some of the commandment from the old testament to the new testament.
Lastly, God himself says he came to finish (perfect) the testimony and fulfill the prophecies. (Perfecting his biblical book, changing some of his commandment as you see from what is mentioned above).
There is nothing wrong with God changing his laws in Bible as he is fulfilling the law (which means making it perfect, and that means to perfect something you can change it. Which is what Jesus did). This is something most Christians miss.
@@linaawadallaiskander7594 Sounds like you're teaching Mormonism rather than Christianity.
Deuteronomy 21:15-23
King James Version
15 If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated:
16 Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn:
17 But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his.
@@linaawadallaiskander7594
You just spilled out a bunch of Cognitive dissonance and blasphemy! Wow!
Absolutely love that you tackle these tough questions
1 Ki 15:5 "David did what was right in the eyes of the LORD and did not turn aside from anything that he commanded him all the days of his life, except in the matter of Uriah the Hittite."
David had multiple wives....seems that it was RIGHT, in the eyes of YHWH.
BINGO!
@@danielcarpen did you want me to comment on this article? He doesn't provide a place for commentary on that site. How do you think the Bible Answer man did?
@@rkirkpatrick01 Not an apologetic so I fact checked him. Will run it by our associate pastor next time I see him. He teaches at Fla Bible College.
@@danielcarpen do you agree with the Bible Answer man that Prima Facia (on it's face) the text appears to approve of polygyny?
However, God did not instruct David to have multiple wives. Just because God doesn't swiftly judge poor decisions, does not mean that he approves.
The Old Testament allows polygamy but doesn’t encourage it. Great men such as Abraham, Israel, Judah, Gideon, Samson, David, and Solomon had multiple wives, though the Old Testament records many problems that resulted. However, the law actually made it mandatory in one circumstance: if a married man died without leaving a male heir, his brother was required to marry his widow regardless of whether he already had a wife.
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There's many problems with monogamy too. Biblical law regulated having more than one wife so it's not a sin and polygamy is lawful. This teacher is lying.
Bible is non sense
If the levitate marriage law required was required even if it results in polygamy, (as you say, and as I agree with) then that means as a matter of principle, that polygamy cannot be wrong.
It's a ll crap written and edited over millenniums
Polygamy means one man serving many women financially, emotionally and physically. That's why God allows it.
Facts
Serving is exactly right
NOT IN THIS DISPENSATION
Uhm you make it sound like women should be thankful that they had to share their husband, his time, devotion and resources when all of them were his property.
The video didn’t answer the question?
It just give a story of what happens.
Yes, it did. The man said it was not God's will for men to have more than one wife. He spoke of all the trouble polygamy causes. Read the New Testament and quit trying to justify your sinful lust for more than one woman.
Pat Melton , wow 😮 never see that coming ; are you ok sis . I’m a happily married man in love with only one woman.....my wife.
The title says why God allowed polygamy .
@Didier 619 Apologies for her. She assumed you were being a hypocrite obviously without knowing you first. Experience shows that people don’t usually do that unless there is a bit of self righteousness somewhere in their motives. This is an unfortunate thing for anyone trying to spread the good news. But I would just like to point out however that the person in the video actually did give an answer. God has many times told people that polygamy is a sin and has spoken against it many times as well. See Deuteronomy 17:17 for one example. But even though he commanded people not to do it they still disobeyed him. Even people who served him and were saved disobeyed him. But as with all sins God does allow them. Because it may surprise you that He uses all things to work together for His good even evil things. So yes God did allow it for a time. But mind you it was still a sin and all sins must and will be paid for. Fortunately for the people who trusted in him back then, and even now they didn’t have to pay for their sins themselves. Because God sent his son to die in our place so that His righteousness could be given to us and we wouldn’t have to pay an eternal price of death. And more importantly so we can spend forever with him in perfect happiness and love. The same is true for anyone who repents of their old ways, and asks Him to be Lord over their lives. I pray that you would see the truth and I tell you these things with good will and love. Peace be with you, and run to God. I promise it will be worth your while. He wants to love you. And he wants to make you perfect.
@@GazpachoMacho , thanks for your reply . God bless you Brother.
@@DidierBan And it is a presumptive question. "Does God allow polygamy in the bible?" would be a better worded question.
Does it mean polygamy is a sin ?? Cause I have never seen a scripture that says Polygamy is a sin.
Ramoroka Ntane Thats because there is no such scripture. God made rules in the Old Testament for how to be a good polygamist. God would not make rules allowing sin. Modern thinking on this simply doesn’t want to accept what the Bible actually says
Lewis Seitz
First time in my life I had someone speaks the truth about this subject......Thanks Lewis
Polygamy is a sin -- it is called adultery.
@@patmelton43
"Pat Melton • 17 hours ago
Polygamy is a sin -- it is called adultery."
Which scripture is that?
@@rkirkpatrick01 I have never seen a scripture supporting polygamy. God performed the first marriage and the first man Adam and the first woman Eve. God did not make Adam and five Eves. But of course you have every right to follow Satan into hell. Maybe your bible is the Koran!!
Sonehow David, Solomon, all the kings, Gideon, Abraham, Moses himself, Jacob, Elkanah, and all the rest interpreted Gen 2:24 differently. Every marriage, whether plolygyny or monagmy, it is difficult. Polygyny is not a sin, ever. Now marrying strange women was a sin. And how many is myltiplying? Is 2 horses a sin? How bout 3? Monogamy is a tradition of Rome. Now Catholics and Muslims have dominion because they took the command to be fruitful and multiply seriously. The traditions of men have marginalized the church.
The real question is, where in the Bible does God actually forbid polygamy or concubines? And the answer is Nowhere in the Old or New Testament.
That an excellent moral, sociological and a Biblical argument can be made. However an outright prohibition does Not exist.
Nor is there a single phrase in the New Testament that commands or even suggests Christians should by Any means attempt to impose Any Biblical command as a Government Imposed Law.
If he takes another wife, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, and her marriage rights.
Exodus 21:10
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:17-19
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for _sin is the transgression of the law._
1John 3:4
Myke McCormick
Take into consideration that many men often were killed in war leaving many women without suitable husbands and you can see why Yahweh allowed men to take more than one wife as a mercy to these women. Most women in those times needed a man for protection and livelihood and to be able to become mothers which was of most value to them in those days.
Your correct about believers not attempting to impose by command Biblical teachings/Law on others. The Bible clearly states for each person to chose, who they will serve. The founders of America understood this after experiencing the abuses of the Roman Catholic Church and it's teachings that even today go against the Bible. The also said that our form of government, requires each person to impose on themselves the Biblical teachings so America would not destroy itself from within through unbelief. American Law was not meant to restrict religious belief but to protect it. The Law that there would be no establishment of a Governmental religion was to allow each person to worship as their conscious and understanding led them. America has failed and gone against this law by supporting the religion of scientism, humanism, naturalism, it is all the same. Basically it is the worship of the creation over the Creator!
Myke McCormick you haven't read Matthew 19.1-12, I presume
You didn't answer the question. God indeed allowed man have many wives, not explicity, but, he blessed those same man that had two wives, blessed their sons, protected hagar. I'm not telling that he encourage more than one wife, i'm telling that he allowed, because he didnt punish or said anything to any man that had more than 1 wife, if was a sin that should be repented, he didnt condemn anybody because of this.
Yes, but he also explicitly said that these men that has more wives had them out of self importance and to have more power.
While God wasn't against the idea in the old testament, it gave more power to Satan as he could exploit the man even more.
He absolutely answered the question. Watch it again and you'll see.
One wife is a Roman concept that they inject into the Judaic religion we now call Christianity
He blesses the sinner. He doesn't want any of us to perish which is why he repeatedly renewed the covenant.
@SICARII PHILADELPHIA It's in the old testament?
You can read of Solomon and his wives, they were idol worshippers and he had many sons of which were sinners and tried to kill him.
Read the book of Solomon, Don't embarrass yourself.🤦
Superbly done. I will save this for my own and others future reference. Never heard this better explained. Simple and concise. Praise the Lord
Man, that clear-concise-refreshing
Thank Lord for colaboring w/Southern Seminary in adding understanding to me 🙇🏾♂️
There is nothing concise about his non answer
Why does God say to David (and I'm paraphrasing) "if you had asked me for more wives I would have given them to you"?
And no response, cause they know God is fine with polygyny
@@halleluyahtorahdefenders8469 He didnt say he would have given him more wives simultaneously
Excellent point. Notice how that verse was left out? The reason that David had simultaneous wives at all is because G-d gave him so many, according to the verses. Then He told David He would have given him yet more. This speaker's opinions and personal preferences are one thing, but ignoring the verses in order to support them is disingenuous.
You're right. And it is not in Old Testament only. In Matthew 25 we can read the Parable of the Ten Virgins. And that describes the multiple marriage. In Jewish Torah there are rules concerning levirate marriage which often leads to polygyny. The truth is that the monogamy does not come from Jerusalem or Israel, but from Rome and Grece. The monogamy of the Roman Empire was the cause of two explanatory notes in the writings of Josephus describing how the polygamous marriages of Herod the Great were permitted under Jewish custom.
Apostle Paul didn't treat women and man the same concerning the marriage, he wrote in Romans 7
"1 Or do you not know, brothers (for I am speaking to ones knowing the Law), that the Law lords-over the person for as much time as he lives? 2 For the married woman has been bound by the Law to the living husband; but if the husband dies, she has been released from the law of the husband. 3 So then, while the husband is living, she will be called an adulteress if she comes to a different husband. But if the husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress, having come to a different husband."
Why didn't Paul say the same about husband? (if man and woman are equal in marriage)?! He gives as the example a wife as according to the Law (verse 1) a man can marry as many wifes in his life as he wants, but woman can have only one living husband.
So apostle Paul saw marriage in a Jewish way which of course allowed the polygyny. Dictation of monogamy has pagan roots. Paul as prophet will write
"1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will depart from the faith, paying-attention-to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons 2 by means of the hypocrisy of liars having been seared as to their own conscience- 3 forbidding to marry (...)"
And it has began from forbidding the polygyny.
@@marianskodowski8337Oy, the 10 virgins weren't all for the one groom! There was one bridge and her 9 attendants!
I was always told this and it is nice to hear others are going forward with the same message. You have to read the bible in totality and read it in context. Thank you.
But .... When David took another man's wife , got her pregnant and then had her husband set up to die in battle etc . God told David " if you wanted another wife all you had to do was ask .I would have gladly given you one " hmmmm ..gladly .. would have given him another . Ok I remembered it a little differently . Here it is ;I gave you your master’s house and your master’s wives into your keeping, and gave you the house of Israel and Judah. And if that had been too little, I also would have given you much more
@@boracay12 The sword never left David's house from that day onward. God NEVER winks at sin. Sure people sin, but they never get away with it. "Be sure your sins will find you out." David's private life was plagued. One son killed the other. One of his sons tried to kill David. the bloodshed was so bad that God would not allow David to build the temple.
@@patmelton43 all true . But my point was that David had several wife's and hundreds of " concubines" yet God said through his prophet he would have gladly giving him another wife if he had asked .
Instead of taking someone wife . That's the argument for having more than one wife .
That wasn't Gods intention . But he allowed it .
@@boracay12 My point is that God loves women just as much as he loves men and there is no favoritism in God. God NEVER sanctions marriage of man to more than one woman. That would make him vile - and God is perfect. He loves women just as much as men so He would not make women property. And you are misquoting God. God said, "I would have given you such and such. He never mentions "wives" in that statement.
@@patmelton43 god allowed the Israelites to have more than one wife . He never punished anyone for having 2 .
It's not his original intent for men to have 2 wife's but he allowed it . Fact .
Interesting. Although, concerning his interpretation of Nathan's illustration for David, couldn't one also argue that there is no condemnation mentioned for having many wives? Additionally, in 2 Samuel 12:8, God seems to have blessed David with many wives by saying "I gave you your master’s house, and your master’s wives into your bosom, and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah." It is evident in the Genesis narrative that God did not prescribe monogamy, but would you really say it is a sin?
Excellent point. And if those wives were, in fact, a "gift from God" doesn't that pretty much refute the argument that multiple wives were "allowed" but not "God's plan"? Would God gift a man something that He didn't believe was good for him? Again, I'm not arguing for polygamy (for many other reasons), but I find the biblical arguments extremely weak.
So the argument is marrying multiple caused troubles so don’t do it? But marrying one doesn’t cause trouble for a man? Seems a weak argument.
Thank you for that illuminating short explanation of why polygamy was tolerated by Yahweh but not promoted by Yahweh the true God. You are spot on when you refer to men of faith as in the Old Testament - but they were not necessarily men of morality - and that distinction is rarely spoken about openly. Thank you for illuminating perspective. FDH LLB MA
Exactly. God expects us to fill in the blanks. He usef cautionary tales and expects us to fill in the gaps.
As someone who just avoided a terrible love triangle, pick one person of thr opposite sex and stick with them.
The gentleman in this video is very conniving with his words, he says the NT never upholds David as an example of morality.. which is misleading because the Bible itself actually does uphold David as an example of morality ..
“because David did what was right in the eyes of the Lord and did not turn aside from anything that he commanded him all the days of his life, except in the matter of Uriah the Hittite.”
1 Kings 15:5
1 Kings 11:6 and 2 Chronicles 34:2 prove the same.
But because these verses are in the OT and not the NT, the gentleman dismisses them and only focuses on NT verses on examples of morality. With all due respect to his knowledge, I think this was very very misleading of him.
@Mile Hoho So God didn’t really want to promote polygamy, God was just kinda forced into it by the situation. That’s your theology??
Tolerated not promoted ❤️
@@tantig5923 So when Deborah (a woman no less) sings of the blessings of victory to include “two wombs for every man.. and the land had rest for forty years” (judges 5:30) you see that as a begrudging toleration? When the Elders praise Rachel and Leah as models “who TOGETHER” raised Jacobs household.. that’s mere toleration? (Ruth 4). Western Christian’s aren’t even reading their own bibles.
Why does everyone ignore the fact that God himself gave David all of his masters wives, GAVE!!!! 2 Samuel 12:8!!!!! If you want the most accurate version to the origional Hebrew, read the Septuagint, but I warn you, you will be very surprised what The Lord does. And why do people ignore the fact God built the Nation of Isreal from 1 Man and 4 Women!!!!!!!!!! Gods chosen people were born of Polygamy!!!!! And two of those women were concubines, not even wives!!!!!!!!!!! Stop listening to a man, and seek The Lord's truth for yourself, because there are no excuses, only God's Truth!!!!!!!!!!
@King Amen-Tut-Ankh ok? Youre point?
So, are you saying that poligamy is biblical or accepted by God?
Have you read the Talmud? It’s quite interesting how the Pharisees change things, and they’re the ones who wrote down the OT
Thank you! That has been my main question. If God himself gave King David Saul's wives(plural) who is man to say it is wrong or sinful for man to have multiple wives today. This was man's law instituted in the 1300's not
God's law. Research without prejudice will verify this.
He gave everything of Saul’s to David, he have Saul’s wife into David’s **care**. Or “bosom” implying care, he never commanded David to sleep with them or to marry them or to copulate with them, but in the same way he gave all of Saul’s subjects to David by making David king he gave Saul’s wives to David by making David king.
Can a man be unmoral and still have great faith? I always assumed the two were correlated, how can you trust God in all things but not trust his words to be moral?
...you are correct, I mean the Old Testament saints were not "moral" is a weird thing to say ...and incorrect but I guess he can say whatever he wants...
Because our faith is not baced on our morals, or the obeying of morals.
No ! but he can still have faith but it won't be in the God of the Bible !.
@Janaina Ribeiro faith is a belief. Morals are how you act. He explained it well with the story of king Solomon. He basically said one thing, probably truly believed what he said, but then did something different anyway. Had the faith but not the morals. Today people always want to either 1. Trust in others 2. Trust in themselves. Rarely will they ever Trust in God and that's all God has ever really asked of all of us.
It’s not about morals
Our obedience to God and his word is what matters
Gods law regulates polygyny, but never condemns or prohibits it - Exodus 21:10
Jesus did not come to do away with the law or prophets...until heaven and earth pass. Look outside our window, heaven and earth are still here
Eating pork is a sin, not keeping Sabbath or Feast days like Passover are sins, homosexuality, not returning lost property...
*Great answer* to an important question! *Thank you for helping me see the distinction* between the divine moral and corrupt human morals in the old testament!
read my comment sir
Woah 😳😳😳 what??
please, explain to me how your god is moral.
copy pasted rant: ah God never punishes polygamy. but if you wear mix fabrics, or call someone bald, you deeeead. if you or someone in your town accidentally does something wrong (to Bible God) you deeeeead.
Many bible characters went to 'red light districts' no punishment- Judges 19 a Levite priest's female slave get assaulted by some randoms in a Benjamite city. so he kills her and Israel goes to civil war with Bible Gods backing to genocide the Benjamites.
-Genesis 38: Joshua sleeps with his daughter thinking shes a prostitue.
-Moses married a pagan priestess.
-Many Israeli married Canaanite which is forbidden.
- if you have birth defects you are unclean and desecrate Bible Gods sanctuary- Leviticus 21:17
- Onan bro Er couldn't have enough babies so God kills him.
- Numbers 16 if you complain to Moses about so many of your own people died by God's hand you die.
no punishment for polygamy though. God sounds like an ancient middle eastern dad with bad parenting skills.
Spiderman no way home< Well if it is a king, he can have whatever he wish for.
Brain: Go to sleep
TH-cam: Santa explains Bible verses.
Brain: Yes
Yo I read ur comment as Satan
@@okitasougo8265 😂
@@okitasougo8265 me too and I came to the comments to see what people had to say about that lol
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The only slight issue i have with one thing he said was, this disreguards 2 samuel 12:8 kjv.
God says he gavr him those wives and if he asked for more, god would have gave him more. I agree other parts of the bible express possible calamities of polygamy, but god does not give evil things to a man. And james 1:13 kvj he does no tempt anyone with evil. It seems more like how Jesus described being married vs being a eunuch, James 9:12. Obviously being eunuch is not part of gods original plan because a man is to cleave to a wife. Let me know your thoughts guys. I am curious of your responses.
Ther are several commentaries on the subject from biblehub(dot)com which state that the royal harem would have been inherited by David and thusly given to David along with the rest of the kingdom, regardless of whether or not David actually married them. This language in 2Sam12:8 would serve not to say that polygamy is morally acceptable, but that God has bestowed upon David all that he could possibly desire. David's sin becomes all the more egregious when David (notwithstanding the permission of royal polygamy given by the eastern cultures at large, and especially considering that an obedient king would not have engaged in polygamy) goes outside of his inheritance to take another man's wife. Basically, God is saying, "you had your pick of a harem and said no, but you instead took what was someone else's." As Benson's Commentary states: "The wives of a king went along with his lands and goods unto his successor, it being unlawful for the widow of a king to be wife to any but a king, as appears by the story of Adonijah. The expression in the text, however, does not necessarily signify that David married any of them; nor have we any proof that he did. Indeed, it is doubtful whether he could consistently with the law of God. See Leviticus 18:8; Leviticus 18:15. The meaning seems only to be, that God put them into David’s power, together with Saul’s house and other property."
Polygamy is still sin, it’s just God tolerates it. Idk why
He avoids 2 Samuel 12:8 because he doesn't have a sound answer.
I'm kinda disappointed that these weak arguments are coming from the southern seminary. I'm by no means arguing for multiple wives, just pointing out that this is some serious eisegesis.
Why is this weak? I thought this was a thorough response. Gentry basically said though the Bible reports what OT figures practiced, God does not condone it. He lays out the biblical foundation and expectation of marriage in Genesis 2.
@@s.s.7754 I don't recall the exact content of the video and am unable to rewatch it at the moment. Off the top of my head; concluding that God does not condone polygamy, because of the parable told to David, isn't close to accurate. The parable was about David's adulterous and lustful heart. Obviously God didn't kill his other children with other wives, but did in this situation.
so what exactly is a good argument?
@@lillyo5458 , if one existed I'm sure he would have made it.
Show us where it clearly condemns polygamy. "CLEARLY".now Moses himself wrote the Torah, and he himself wrote the 2 shall become one flesh,( mind you the Bible is not an English book), but Moses married 3 wives including an Ethiopian woman, and his sister Mariam was trying to behave like this neaderthal creature talking on this TH-cam video, and what did God do?? Smites her with leprosy.hahahahaha. allegorical explanations at best. Br fruitful, multiply and re-plenish the Earth, that's the order but these white people try to deceive the world with monogamy, LGBT, all depopulation and population control schemes . Get behind me Lucifer
It’s really concerning when Church leaders will slander King David’s name, grouping David with Solomon, claiming that he committed the same sin as Solomon, when God’s Word explicitly says that David did not sin like Solomon (2 Kings)
"Nathan the prophet came to him(David) and spoke to him and gave a parable. A parable about a guy who had many sheep and a poor man who had only one sheep.” -Peter Gentry
So, is it wrong for a man to own only one sheep?
Is it wrong to own many sheep?
Is it wrong to steal someone else's sheep?
That's the lesson of Nathan's parable.
Exo 20:14
“You shall not commit adultery.
Exo 20:15
“You shall not steal.
Exo 20:17
“You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his male servant, or his female servant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor's.”
I think there was a bit more in that conversation than just coveting and taking someone elses things. The Most High was also pointing out David's attempt to go out side the provision of God by wanting more than was given. He seems to has misplaced his trust in the Lord as well. He attempted to have a man killed. Tried to trap a man in a doctored reality. And while not out right wrong it is very difficult as jesus explained for those with material riches to enter into the kingdom. So it might be unwise to accumulate a mass amount of sheep you might end up having to find a new place to dig a well.
@@outofthebothros772
Mat 19:26
But Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
@@rkirkpatrick01 I'm missing what your meaning by this.
@@outofthebothros772 you equated the rich man with many sheep, with the rich man who Christ says its hard for him to enter the kingdom. I was pointing out that Jesus says that with God all things are possible. Including owning many sheep...
1Ki 3:6
And Solomon said, “You have shown great and steadfast love to your servant David my father, because he walked before you in faithfulness, in righteousness, and in uprightness of heart toward you. And you have kept for him this great and steadfast love and have given him a son to sit on his throne this day.
@@rkirkpatrick01 ok. The statment it being easier for a camel than a rich man dosnt mean it's impossible just highly unlikely for it to happen. And there might be some unnecessary strife that is involved with having so much. I again would have to ask what you are illustrating with this next verse.
Isn't the intervention from Nathan referring to David taking Uriah's wife (not to mention having him killed)? I'm not sure it has anything to do with saying polygamy is inherently bad.
Exactly
Tola Ir no. David committed adultery and murder. Having more wives was not the issue at all. Read the story.
@@aloto1240 God, through Nathan. didn't tell him it was a bad thing that he had many wives. The whole story of the rich man taking his poor neighbor's lamb seems to focus clearly on the theft, as it were, of Uriah's wife and the cruelty of that particular sinful behavior.
Look, I don't know for certain here, of course. It's a matter of interpretation I suppose. I'm not claiming to even know if it (polygamy) is supposed to be inherently good or bad. But I'm just not seeing a specific condemnation of polygamy here.
Bingo. The importance of 1) Having your own personal relationship with Christ, and 2) Being a Berean, and searching the scriptures for yourself under the Spirit is being illustrated here. Question your leaders, and check with Christ on what they say. Please. You eternal destiny rests on this...
The fact that God gave all of David's wives to a SINGLE man to lay with openly (in the sight of the sun) shows that God does NOT hate polygamy. If he did, God would have directed David to build and maintain a home for all of those women to live in or send them home to their own families or given them to single men. The fact that he not only gave them to another man, but allowed him to lay with them, clearly shows that God does NOT hate polygamy.
Just appreciate Professor G’s background and analysis on this very difficult question.
You have to pity “pastors” and “scholars” who hold doctrines of men above God’s commandments.
Acts 17.30 New Living Translation
“God overlooked people’s ignorance about these things in earlier times, but now he commands everyone everywhere to repent of their sins and turn to him.
@Philip Buckley, right on point
If you say “God overlooked people’s ignorance, you are saying God made a mistake? Impossible......
This is not a correct interpretation of the text. The "overlooking" was only mercy in not applying immediate judgement, it is not overlooking the eternal consequences of the sin.
@@paulwells4372 Overlooking does not mean he missed a spot. It means he tolerated it. In a way He "lowered His standards" for humanity. But with Jesus this is no longer possible. From then on, God only holds us to the highest possible standard.
As an example: Abortion.
We Christians are against abortion. It is after all the termination of a human lifeform. This is undeniable. But in East Europe you can see what banning abortion has lead to. People will still do it. And because they still did it, it was done illegally, and because it was done illegally, many safety and sanitary measures were not taken care of and so many women ...
1) were infected with disease, e.g. hepatites
2) had their wombs destroyed and could never again have babies
3) even died because of the termination.
So the argument is, even if abortion is forbidden, women will still do it.
We Christians will hold society to, what we consider Gods standard, that means the highest morale, to preserve the unborn childs life.
Where as ... other people.... will tolerate that women want to abort their pregnancy and will at least make it save and regulate it.
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Interesting.. But when David took another man's wife God said " if you wanted another wife I would have given it to you". He didn't say you have enough wives u don't need any more. But I do agree God's plan was 1 wife.
True. Additionally God himself claims to have had two wives symbolically, Judah and Israel. It's just a cultural issue for us but it's not immoral, what's immoral is the inhumane treatment of people.
Especially since there is a law for having multiple wives and how to conduct yourself.
@@kingladelldonaldson3728 Yes sir. God's culture is life giving, FAMILY FIRST. Any evil man can sleep around, it's on every corner, but the man of God will commit, provide and protect all that God has given him.
There would be only one tribe in Israel if polygamy wasn't approved and applied.
@@andybluewater2291 FFW a bit》...but isn't there only 1 Bride of Christ?
"Moral man" vs "man of faith", I think that is well explained. This applies to slavery too I think.
Are you referring to the Bible or history of the last few hundred years? The Bible says a person who kidnaps a person and one who buys them shall be put to death. Slavery is kidnapping.
@@tyronegooch5251 well no, the bible condones indentured servitude which people wrongly call slavery, it's close, but not the same, you see the bible permits people to sell their children (their own property) for example to somebody for service, marriage, etc, and to be honest, people put their own morality on God and claim it's wrong to sell something you created that belongs to you. Unfortunately those same people either refuse to see, or genuinely haven't noticed, that it's LITERALLY the same thing Christ did for us, HE BOUGHT US, he PAID for us, as it says, we were ALL BOUGHT FOR A PRICE, and it wasn't gold or silver, but something MUCH more precious, the Holy blood of Jesus Christ the only begotten son of God almighty. That is why in my opinion paul always refers to himself as a slave for Christ, there were rules around how people were to treat their indentured servants well, very specific ones, and how servants were to serve well, how wonderful it is that our MASTER is the Father, Son, and Holy spirit, who bought and paid for us with the blood of Christ, how much more so are we than to serve well? and how much better shall we be treated by our faithful master? May God bless you and keep you :)
@@tyronegooch5251 The video says that polygamy is not moral, and that examples of polygamy such as Abraham should not be considered moral examples. I'm saying slavery in the Bible is the same way. The Bible says slavery is not moral, and that examples of slavery such as Abraham should not be considered moral examples.
@@stevesmith7843 Where does the Bible permit somebody to sell their children to someone else? I can't think of the place.
@@DownwardsRising also as i stated previously the slavery in the bible from what i can tell is more "indentured servitude", when it comes to the real deal super oppressive what we would call "slavery" God opposes it and demands his people be set free ( the egyptians and the way they were treating the hebrews). there were laws governing treatment of slaves/indentured servants, and also laws governing their service. God bless.
10 If he takes to himself another woman, he may not reduce her
food, her clothing, or aher conjugal rights.
11 But if he will not do these three things for her, then she shall go 1free for nothing, without payment of money. Ex 21:10-11.
Did David commit adultry with all his legal wives, yes or no ?
If yes, than is David in hell ? He never repented of polygamy.
If no, than where is it written that you cannot have two wives ?
Chapter and verse please.
How can you commit adultery (taking ANOTHER man's wife) when you've taken those unattached women for yourself? See the contradiction in modern American (20c) definition of adultery? THE bibilical definition of adultery is WIFE STEALING (taking another man's wife); if she doesn't belong to another man, she's free for you to take to wife. Ez 23 Yahweh takes 2 virgins to wife; after David commits adultery with Bathsheba & murders Uriah, she had no more husband, so what did God make David do? Did he not have to make things right by MARRYING HER after already having about 18 wives at the time? Does God hear sinners? Then why is it that right after it's recorded that David takes MORE wives that he asks God for direction at someone attacking him & Yah tells him to GO DO IT & his victory will be certain?! 1 Chron 14. When David DISOBEYED Yah, God made him SUFFER and REBUKED him did He not? Remember the Song of the Prophetess Deborah when they had a victory in battle "to every man a girl OR TWO"? Judges 5:30-31 - Was she blaspheming? Remember who rewrote the 10 Commandments..a man with more than one wife - MOSES himself had 1) Zipporah, a Midianite, descendant of Abraham: Exodus 2:15-16,21 and Exodus 18:1-6 & 2) An Ethiopian woman: Numbers 12:1(-15); Jewish tradition says he had many more concubines. Isaiah 4:1-2 about the glorious day of the Lord, how 7 women will take hold of 1 man; don't we hear how there are MANY women even today wanting to take hold of one man; my nephew has 2 wives.
What do we do with Exodus where laws are given about providing for a second wife in the same way as the first wife? God didn’t give laws to regulate behavior he disapproved of. God clearly condoned polygamy in Exodus, and the “only for Kings” argument is not supported by Scripture.
Many godly men had multiple wives and even concubines.
The law said if a man took another wife, he must not diminish the wives marital rights by providing for her.
Rob Bailey this was not a command by Moses as a concession. The passage in Exodus 21 begins with “And the Lord said” and presents itself as direct word from God to Moses, not just from Moses to the people. God determines what is Law and what is sin, and He changes not.
@@robbailey464 Hardness of heart- can that be said of all the men of faith, including the Patriarchs of the faith?
And that verse that was cited, haf to do with divorce...not polygamy.
With polygamy, wives are being added, not subtracted...as prescribed by the law given by God thru Moses his servant.
Sin is trangression of the law (1 John 3:4) which law (if any) outright condemns polygamy as sin?
Gods law also says to not "add nor subtract from it" (Dueteronomy 4:2)
If additional wives are indeed a sin, there should be a clear law forbidding the practice.
Rob Bailey But Jesus spoke of the Torah saying not one jot would ever change. We cannot dogmatically teach that polygamy is sinful. Gods law is forever established in heaven and what is wrong is always wrong.
By the way, I appreciate the gentlemanly way you discuss these things.
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, *Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.*
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:17-19
God didn't allow polygamy He ordained polygyny unless the man desires the office of Bishop or Deacan. God gave David all of Saul's wives as a gift, so God condones polygyny.
Marriage is a picture of the relationship God has with the church. One God (bride groom) many members of the church (the bride)
The lesson you gave of the rich man taking another man's only sheep was wrong. God was angry at David for taking another man's wife. That is adultery. Your understanding of this subject is trainted by your church tradition and not governed by the words of God.
David was the apple of God's eye, contrary to you he always obeyed God all of his life while he was a polygynist.
"Because David did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any thing that he commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite."
1 Kings 15:5
He had many wives and God blessed him.
Shame on you for twisting the scriptures to suit your false teaching.
if solomon rejected the law as you say, why God gave him the autorithy to build the holy temple ??
Thank you Dr Gentry! “They were examples of Faith not examples of morality”...that explains Samson and Jepthah being named in the famous Hebrews Chapter 11 Hall of Faith chapter...I have always been puzzled by this? How could Samson (his lifestyle) and Jepthah (sacrificing his daughter) be in this faith chapter.
You should know the answer to that. Because we live under grace. The truth is man is totally depraved, however when Yeshua shed his blood of Calvary those sins were remitted. Anybody since been saved for more than a year should know that you see the junk there teaching in the seminaries.
Jepthath didn't "sacrifice" his daughter.
Headline Newsrant Judges 11: 29 - 40
@@rickperez1336 I know where it's located. Read it again...use varying versions. Jepthah's daughter wasn't burned as an offering. Her life wasn't lamented...her virginity was.
Well first of all it doesn't exactly say he did kill her although it appears to me that he did. My opinion about this if he did it he did it on his own accord. I do not see any conversation between him and Yahweh about what should be done. Yahweh doesn't take human sacrifices I think there's something not exactly right with this story. In other words I'm saying I don't know the answer to that particular verse to be honest. I'll say it one more time though I think he opened his big mouth I don't see Yahweh asking for that. The only time that that happened before was when Abraham took Isaac and you don't notice that God stopped him and he sent a ram that they didn't use for the sacrifice. Something doesn't seem right with this story.
Polgamy is not unlawful but it's not mandatory.
It is still not forbidden. We as a Christian culture acknowledge it demeans the value of women and banned it. Despite our best efforts though, many modern women would claim not allowing them to be in a polygamous relationship denies them choice in their own lives.
I’m sure the woman in your life would like many husbands with the way you think. But then again, you’re probably single or in a terrible marriage 😬
@2:22 Crazy. Arbaham amd Jacob were two of theb most righteous men to ever live. Sinful sectarians have to slander them to to try and force their narrative into Scripture rather than let the scriptures speak for themselves.
God told David, while he had 18 wives, after he got Uriah the Hittite killed for Bethsheba, that He had given him all he had and he could have asked for more, so 18 wives wasn’t too many for God or are you saying God was promoting sin?
2 Samuel 12:1 ¶ Then the LORD sent Nathan to David. And he came to him, and said to him: “There were two men in one city, one rich and the other poor.
2 “The rich man had exceedingly many flocks and herds.
3 “But the poor man had nothing, except one little ewe lamb which he had bought and nourished; and it grew up together with him and with his children. It ate of his own food and drank from his own cup and lay in his bosom; and it was like a daughter to him.
4 “And a traveler came to the rich man, who refused to take from his own flock and from his own herd to prepare one for the wayfaring man who had come to him; but he took the poor man’s lamb and prepared it for the man who had come to him.”
5 ¶ So David’s anger was greatly aroused against the man, and he said to Nathan, “As the LORD lives, the man who has done this shall surely die!
6 “And he shall restore fourfold for the lamb, because he did this thing and because he had no pity.”
7 ¶ Then Nathan said to David, “You are the man! Thus says the LORD God of Israel: ‘I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you from the hand of Saul.
8 ‘I gave you your master’s house and your master’s wives into your keeping, and gave you the house of Israel and Judah. And if that had been too little, I also would have given you much more!
9 ‘Why have you despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in His sight? You have killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword; you have taken his wife to be your wife, and have killed him with the sword of the people of Ammon.
Sin = Transgression of the Law (Torah). The Torah specifically states what to do in regards to having more than one wife and it commands you to take your brothers wife and give her kids if your brother was childless, EVEN IF YOU HAVE A WIFE. Adding to the Word of God is Sin, so you need to show chapter and verse where God calls something a sin or you have added to the Word of God, WHICH IS SIN.
Why does the force allow a dark side? Is Rey really a descendant of Luke Skywalker? Should Dumbledore have told Harry the truth about He who cannot be named?
Bible fan boys.
Yes. You sound just as ridiculous.
@@wcornell74 Hey wait you dropped your fedora.
who said its a sin
For some reason I think their was no love 😔 it was just lust,good luck to people if they can love more than one person and have multiple lovers,I can't even imagine me in such position, I'd be so so hurt💔
Me too
Multiple lovers, is not what God allows, for this would allow women to have more than one husband, but as we see in Romans 7:1-3, this is adultery! You cannot imagine having a wonderful husband who loves you and cherishes you, and also loves his other wife. This is because you assume that if he loves another woman, somehow he no longer loves you. That is a faulty assumption and resulted in the unnecessary breakup of several marriages.
@@danieldeluca4936 back to total derangement. God intended one man and one wife United in one flesh Genesis 2:24. You can’t read the first two chapters of the Bible and accept God concept of marriage as he intended your deranged.
@@lesliewinchester8225 God only intended one wife for SOME men, while for others, he intended no wife whatsoever, and still others, he intended them to have MORE than one wife. There is nothing in Gen 2:24 that states how many wives a man cna have. It only states that when he marries his first wife, he must leave his parents and be united with his wife. Jesus used this to explain that they are no longer two, but one flesh. Obviously, the man who has left his parents and become united to his wife, cannot leave his parents when he marries his second wife, whether his first wife is still living or not!
So now you think you can diagnose my state of mind, as if you were a psychologist who has had a session with me. You are unhinged. You cannot even spell "you're" properly.
@@danieldeluca4936 Genesis 2:24one man one wife United in flesh
Your denial of that meaning anything other than what it says is ridiculous. Show me the Bible quote that says God or Jesus insisted men deviate ever from Genesis. Jesus said to even think about someone other than you wife is adultery. He never said wives because you only get one according to three places in the Bible. If you can’t recognize sin from people in the Bible your brain dead. You can’t even acknowledge men have the one appendage to please only one woman. It is absolutely deranged that any man would think otherwise.
Deuteronomy 21:15-23
King James Version
15 If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated:
16 Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn:
17 But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his.
Looks like it’s most likely that the first wife is hated.
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Man you did a really good job with explaining that and you actually answered the question
But he never actually went into any of texts. He merely mentioned them in passing without diving into what they mean in their contexts.
He did a really good job telling you what the Bible doesn't say. He tickled your ears.
Read your Bible, believe the words on the page, don't believe this false teacher.
With so many men on here believing in Polygamy you'd think there would be no single women left out here 🤷🏾♀️🤣
@@RandommomfromOntario single women are that way due to widowhood. We don’t want another lying man. We’ve had one.
@@lesliewinchester8225 That is outrageous! I know lots of women who never married and who want or have wanted a husband. I know of two right now who bemoan the fact that their younger brother is getting married, and they are both still looking for their "Prince Charming". My older sister was in her late 30s when she finally married, and she told me of how she cried herself to sleep every night. A worship pastor at my former church spoke of a lady who finally found a husband when she was 81 years old!
God knows men's heart , If they take care of there wife's and children with Godly love and do what's pleasing to God will bless the family union!
I just found this channel and this is great!!!!
Yet there was the law of Levirate where someone married his brother's widow.
That was just one among several laws about polygny.
@@LanLe-rz4lm But it proves that not only polygamy was allowed but in some cases it was promoted. There's a story about it in the Genesis 38 (Tamara and Judah).
@@heraclito3114 More like commanded in some cases & regulated altogether, so it's done right to benefit all parties involved, but Yessirr! Polgyny - one man, multiple women.
@@heraclito3114 promoted? i don't see how polygamy is " promoted " in that story.
@@amsterdamG2G You made men to marry their brothers' widow in addition to their own wives.
Great clarification, sir! Best I've seen and heard!
But God blessed and praised his polygamous messengers. He never once condemned them for breaking his law in this area. Not Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob and all of his sons would qualify to preach in my Baptist church. But, they were blessed and praised by God. I still haven't heard an explanation that makes sense other than that God had different standards in OT and NT times
No. God blessed their faith, despite their human faults.
God does not change.
In the Bronze Age, every man had as many wives and concubines as he could afford to feed. Wives were status symbols. By having several wives, a man could make sure that he'd have a lot of sons, who would work for him and fight for him. Having sons was considered a divine blessing. Kings needed especially many wives, in order to make sure they'd get male offspring, to rule the Kingdom after the King's demise. Unfortunately, the King could not marry women of his own country, because they were all from families inferior to him, so he had to marry a foreign princess, who was of royal blood. Unfortunately, with foreign princesses also came foreign Gods, foreign priests, foreign temples and foreign forms of worship. Originally, the Jews didn't have Kings, so this was not a big problem.
Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.
Deuteronomy:17:17
The question is not why was the king motivated to have multiple wives, but rather why did God allow it. Or what I think people really want to know is why are there examples of godly men in the Old Testament with multiple wives? Doesn't that contradict the Jewish and Christian belief of monogamy?
I think this video did a good job confirming that the presence of polygamy in the bible does NOT equal the approval of polygamy by God. What he didn't say, that I believe can be gathered, is that when are saved from our sins through faith, God calls us to repentance but focuses on what we did right, not our failures. Kind of like using Peter as a foundational leader in the church in spite of his denial of Christ on black friday.
Great points! We also need to remember that it was never God's original will for Israel to have a king..probably to avoid these very problems...but you kind of alluded to that in you last statement.
God's wisdom is truely profound.
God forbade Israelites from marrying foreigners. That was a big NO NO. That is how Solomon got in trouble. God expressly told the Israelites that they could not marry foreign wives because "they will turn your hearts to other gods" which is exactly what happened to Solomon.
Polygamy has never been rescinded since Bible times. Another word if a person did it now they would not be breaking any biblical prohibition. However, in today's society it's extremely hard to do anything near that because of the social issues that it causes.. I think that people are going to find out that seminaries and their professors that teaches them I have some kind of agenda and it really disturbs me. You going to teach you to Seminary run a seminary then teach it about the word of God not the current political winds.
Hit the nail on the head.
Its not politically acceptable, nor accepted by American culture or society for the most part. Nor by most of modern Christianity.
...however, it is Biblically acceptable. Its also not a sin according to the Bible if done correctly.
Marriage has been expanded to same genders here in America. And the courts in Utah found a ban on polygamy to be unconstitutional.
Most State Constitutions afford us the freedom of religion, along with the Federal Bill of Rights.
Problem is, it wont be legally recognized. And whatever social pressure one must endure for living plural marriage of multiple wives an children.
I think the only biblical argument against that is Jesus with the women at the well in John 4
Also 1 Corinthians 7 :32-35.
Makes you think.
@@ianbrown7066 no the woman at the well had been married several times in the man she was currently with was not her husband if you read the conversation between her and Jesus.
@@sinistransgressionofthetor5449 yeah a lot of sacred name groups are going down that path though dude. And it's a stated my posters no biblical prohibition against it but I think that the circumstances were different in that day and time than they are now. I don't know that I have a specific answer but I don't think I can disagree with your post I think you're right.
Notice that He doesn’t quote any scriptures that say explicitly that God condemned polygamy.
God actually gave David all of Saul’s Wives.
“And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.”
2 Samuel 12:8 KJV
“If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated: Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn:”
Deuteronomy 21:15-16 KJV
I heard a lot of philosophy and opinion about “morality” but can you show one bible verse where God condemns polygyny as sin?
Genesis 2:24, the definition of biblical marriage. It states clearly a man and a woman. This passage states the number of participants, their genders, and expectation of marriage length. Anything that departs from this is sin.
@@s.s.7754 It says man and woman would become one flesh.
It doesnt offer a limit to the number wives here at all.
Your reading something into the text that isnt there.
Brother Scott...I recognize your profile pic. Straightway Truth Ministry?
Ive seen Pastor Dowell address this topic in debate before.
@@peaceblessings4512 Therefore, "a man" shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to "his wife," and they shall become one flesh. One man, one woman. It doesn't say men or wives.
Peace & Blessings You’re correct. If Dr. Gentry would like to setup an open live recorded debate on whether Polygyny is sin according to The Scriptures, I’d be happy to pass on his contact information to Pastor Dowell. This way all can see both sides and judge who’s telling the truth.
Wow, this has to be one of the best answer to not only the polygamy subject but also well describing what the Old Testament is!
How often people takes the Old Testament as an image or direct representation of God, instead of seeing that it is history, and the relationship between God and his people.
The Bible does not contradict itself and God is, was and will always be the same.
Thank you for this video, and glory to God.
Maybe "What is the Old Testament" would be a good addition to the title.
read my comment
I keep telling people this and they keep trying to contradict God's character. I pray that God will give them understanding so that they know that He loves us all so much that He gave His only begotten son to pay the wages of sin: death.
“If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be her's that was hated: then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn: but he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his.”
Deuteronomy 21:15-17 KJV
God allows you to have mutiple wives .
1 Joash was seven years old when he began to reign, and he reigned forty years in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Zibiah of Beer-sheba. 2 And Joash did that which was right in the sight of the LORD all the days of Jehoiada the priest. 3 And Jehoiada took for him two wives; and he begat sons and daughters. (2 Chronicles 24:1-3 KJV)
Joash Pleased God and he had 2 wives .
29 And Jerubbaal the son of Joash went and dwelt in his own house. 30 And Gideon had threescore and ten sons of his body begotten: for he had many wives. 31 And his concubine that was in Shechem, she also bare him a son, whose name he called Abimelech. 32 And Gideon the son of Joash died in a good old age, and was buried in the sepulchre of Joash his father, in Ophrah of the Abi-ezrites. (Judges 8:29-32 KJV)
Gideon was a Judge of Israel and he had mutiple wives and 70 sons and he pleased God .
@danielburton2927 how many wives do you have Daniel? 😅
@@RandommomfromOntario I have one But i will not allow anyone to Lie on God and say he said something when the bible clearly states you can marry 2 women. But there’s way more that’s Goes into it than just having 2 wives . The Man is the head and his head has to be God or you will be Leading yourself and whoever you marry down a dangerous path . It definitely is not easy and everyone is not going to be able to do it because you have to be committed because you have to properly take care of both , you cannot Diminish Your first wife to take another one or vice versa. i am more thank happy to send scriptures or answer Any question that God had equipped me with the answers to, and i send Bible for anything i charge to God .
Very well explained. Thank you for this!
There are more women than men in most countries. If it is indeed 1 man and 1 woman, what do the other women do that want children and to be a wife. Are they just out of luck?
Sounds like somebody needs to actually study their scriptures rather than cherry pick and torture the scripture. When you can explain Jeremiah 3, and Ezekiel 23 and Jeremiah 31:31, 32 and explain how polygamy can be wrong or sin, when God describes himself as being married to two women, we might have something to talk about. Till then you’re just exposing your lack of scriptural knowledge and Romanish bias. (Not to mention a proclivity for logical fallacy that boggles the imagination for a professor or seminary leader)
This guy do not know what he is taĺking about
Most prophets in the bible were polygamous. So it cannot be wrong or a sin.
@SouthernSeminary:2 Samuel 12:8. How isn't this an example where God "allowed" polygamy in the Bible.
Good word. Perfect indeed. Only the faithful understands this and I love it. It's truth and you can't do nothing against it but only for it.
Read well please because he allows polygamy actually this video is not saying the truth.
But when David took another man's wife God said " if you wanted another wife I would have given it to you". He didn't say you have enough wives u don't need any more. But I do agree God's plan was 1 wife.
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Do you think that God changed this commandment about polygamy in the old testament which shows that God allowed polygamy :Exo 21:10 NHEB-YHWH If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, and her marital rights. Because he did with some commandments in the new testament.
Here they are:
Actually I believe that this was written in Chapter John, Jesus says he is changing some laws in the bible. And he mentioned because the people in the old testament were very evil he allowed them to do what they want and he says now it is different.
One of the examples is God allowing divorce when a man gives certain amount of money to the woman who married her whether from fornication, rape, marriage ceremony. So, the God in the old Testament allowed divorce.
Also, there were three ways that people got married in the old Testament. One was sex (becoming one flesh), second rape (google sex in marriage and divorce bible verses in the old testament), third was marriage ceremony. Anyone who committed any of them was considered married according to God's commandments in the old testament. In the new testament when God was speaking to the women (at the water) who was having sex with many men, God reveals that she is not married (highlight that God considered her not married it is not a word mentioned in the bible but the story concludes that) and she is sinning (fornication). (which is opposite from the old testament as I mentioned). So, As you see The Bible changed some of the commandment from the old testament to the new testament.
Lastly, God himself says he came to finish (perfect) the testimony and fulfill the prophecies. (Perfecting his biblical book, changing some of his commandment as you see from what is mentioned above).
There is nothing wrong with God changing his laws in Bible as he is fulfilling the law (which means making it perfect, and that means to perfect something you can change it. Which is what Jesus did). This is something most Christians miss.
Fanboy
Sounds like you’ve made up and your mind and you don’t care what anyone else says or does, or even what the Bible says (because he never quoted it directly in this video).
I hate when people try to explain Scriptures and wanna make YAHs way our Way. So didn't YAH tell King David that HE GAVE ALL OF SAULS WIVES TO HIM? 2 Samuel 12:8. Then where do yall get this from that Abraham was disobedient and got Hagar Pregnant? NO SARAH was doing an Ancient Custom that MANY of the original 12 Tribes came from , cause some of them were born from Hand Maidens. Sarah was the one WHO told Abraham to Sleep with HAGAR. Genesis 16. The PROMISE for the seed to come through SARAH was made AFTER ISHMAEL was born. Genesis 17:15-16. Yall teach this wrong. He didn't try and fo things on his own. Yall add to the scripture trying to be more wise than the MOST HIGH. Genesis 17:17-22 , The PROMISE IS given for SARAH, AFTER THE BIRTH OF ISHMAEL. Abraham did not SIN in this regard. Read the scripture and NOT the commentary of other Men or a Seminary school.
The reason solomon went bad was the FOREIGN wives that were pagan.
But that's a condemnation of a sort of spiritual miscegenation, as it were. Not a condemnation of polygamy.
@@MrTheGuitarNerd It was no allowed, Giving Eve to Adam and creating the covenant of marriage was already established.
Wish i could have been there to see it too
Don't listen to this man he hasn't got a clue. At 5:27 he says men in the new testament don't hold up old testament men up for morals but by their faith. Tell me again how does one get righteousness; from faith. Morals= righteousness= faith.
sorry Bog, but you got it backwards. And yes he is correct that in the NT, especially in Hebrews, OT people are typically held up for their faith, not their morality. Every great character in the OT had serious problems with their moral failings, but the virtue that unifies them all is their faith and believing loyalty to YAHWEH. Our righteousness doesn't come from our morality, or following a code or law. Our righteousness comes from Jesus and through our faith in Him. Read Hebrews 11.
@Cassie Cox all things should be tested and grounded in the word. You are taking traditions of men and placing it as God commands just as the pharisees did. Polygamy was an acceptable custom in Israel and Judah. It became less common only under Rome because Rome only permitted one wife. They also permitted unlimited divorce and affairs. But only one wife. You are painting your opinion on the bible when you say God is against polygamy. God said a woman can only have one husband at a time clearly. He never said that man can only have one wife at a time. God has no problem telling people what is wrong. He prohibits tons of things because it is unhealthy for us. Polygamy isn't among those things. Also God was a polygamist in Jeremiah having 2 wives, both Israel and Judah. His words not mine. It is very dangerous when you paint your opinion on the word of God. He saids what he means and means what he said. God would be guilty of the sin of Eli, who failed to discipline his sinful sons. Also what kind of a just God would just imply something is evil and judge you by it. No, God plainly teaches what is wrong and how to avoid it. You don't have to speculate. You either stand on the word or you stand on sand that washes away with the tide. Many modern day Christians believe what we have today is more like what God wants than ancient Israel. I believe many modern day Christians are puffed up and stiff necked. Acient Israel wasn't based off men's laws, but God's laws. It is a perfect system but they couldn't live up to it. Also God gave David everything he had, including his wives. This is in second Samuel. And God would had given more if David had asked. I'm here to Defend the Bible and the prophets. People make sin where there is no sin and then make sinful things acceptable like divorce and homosexuality, worshipping idols and other heresies in many modern churches. The spirit has guided me in truth and wisdom and my heart is lite. I have researched this topic considerably and have only found the counter arguements of guilt by association with cherry picking and Adam and Eve story as what God intents. However that isn't always the case. Adam and Eve isn't the only path, Jesus said not all men can carry the burden of marriage and should remain unwed. God told Jeremiah to not marry. People often want to tell God what is his perfect Will. We need to silence ourselves and listen to his word. He is clearly not against polygamy.
Faith, morals, and rightousness are not the same thing.
Bog Dawson
Romans 2:13
For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified.
There’s only one definition for righteousness and it’s keeping the commandments in the Torah (Law). This verse says it plainly but there are many more like it. There is no commandment against multiple wives in the Law. Those men in the Old Testament could have had multiple wives and still been righteous.
It's not a sin for a Man to have many wives. Just a video of a preacher's wishful thinking.
Trying to build a case against polígamo with your arguments and saying that is immoral is complete no sense. Life in those times were so different to ours therefore you can’t apply the type of judgment you bring. Imagine the case of Ruth or the four wife’s of Jacob that are the base for the 12 tribes of Israel. Nowhere in the scriptures there is a condemnation for polygamy, as long as you can afford to have several wife’s with everything they needed. Having only one wife is not an insurance for a happy life. Please stop arriving to conclusion and portrait a false image of the will of God.
God never changes, neither does his morality. His understanding of marriage is what is wrong, as he's relying on 19c feminism that infiltrated the American church as modern Christian morality.
Quit blaming God for YOUR sins. You are responsible! Period.
@@patmelton43 and who is blaming God for what sins? Did you read the comments?
Is there a verse in a Bible saying merry only to one woman?
Nope there is not a single verse like that.
It's the Pastors and Churches who are promoting this idea of only one wife.
Yes "do not take many wives" and "a man shall leave and become one with his wife and the TWO shall be One" use your head. Idiot polygamous men are the reason feminism exist, thanks for that
"Only kings could afford multiple wives."
It's funny how you're so perceptive at seeing God's warnings against sexual sin and miss the part where he had the exact same warnings against the entire concept of kings as well. That passage in Deuteronomy basically tells the Israelites, "You shouldn't have a king" if you really examine it's proscriptions on would be rulers.
More like you can have a king, but best if it’s one that’s subject to God as well.
@@TreyAscetic Originally, kingship was opposed and Saul became king to demonstrate where that kingship would lead. David was instituted as one whom God approved of but even he fell into gross sins.
There were very few kings in Israel including David, Hezekiah and Josiah and one or two others who could be seen as God-fearing.
1 Samuel chapter 8 tells of God's response to the people's demand to have a king rule over them and it isn't favorable.
My nephew has 2 wives and he's just starting out in the world at 23. I know MANY polygnous men who have their wives to thank for inspiring them to be entrepreneurs and masters of their world. If they only had one woman, they each said they wouldn't have gone as far as they have, & would actually be far WORSE. These men are not kings, but having multiple wives makes them THINK LIKE ONE.
Very well delivered, and easy to understand. Thank
Not only do the wives fight and lead their husband astray, but having multiple wives to set yourself up as king is blasphemy.
God is king and man's efforts to aggrandize himself usurpes God's holy station.
What if the wifes love each other
@@jackwilliams8509 thats gay and not right
What is marriage for? For procreation, so that the world can be filled up, in line with the economy capabilities. So if a man can manage many wives let him be. We are currently in a situation where there are are so many single mothers which is not healthy for the offsprings.
I’m not saying polygamy is “good” but why do people lie and say polygamy is prohibited in the Bible? That’s a lie.
That is a fact but it’s conform to
Cleave to our thinking and the ways and methodologies of mankind verses actual
Scripture. The Lord has permitted eating of meat and polygamy but it’s clear it is not the standard he led with.
@ Should we be condemning meat eaters as sinners? Or casting non-vegans out of the church? Or should we all walk around naked, without shame, since that was God’s original intent?
"And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:" (2 Thessalonians 2:11, KJV)
But, included in Nathan's conversation with David, God's message is delivered at
2 Samuel 12:8:
"And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things."
David was already a polygamist... And it's said God delivered multiple wives to David and could have given more ... It was adultery that was David's sin, not polygamy itself.
As for showing negative examples of polygamy... That's almost all relationships mentioned in scripture. Apart from Adam and Noah's family where there was no option but monogamy (and resulted immediately afterward in incest, which seems worse than polygamy), what monogamous relationships are mentioned in the Bible? Mary and Joseph seems to be a positive example, sure enough... But the only other one that comes to mind is Samson and Dililah.... Wherein she just consistently tried to kill him. Is this scripture exposing the flaws of monogamy?
Solomon's problem was that some of his wives were pagan and lead him astray. Would that have been less the case if he married only ONE misleading pagan woman?
No. I'm not suggesting polygamy is a good idea... The Bible doesn't specifically allow it... But it also doesn't specifically condemn it, and we should not add to the bible.
Ruth and Boaz
You are smart to see what the Bible ACTUALLY says (and what it DOESN’T say) on these matters. I’m doing a series exploring this part of the Bible if you want another perspective.
@@toughbiblepassages9082 Sure. Also, I find the name interesting. I'll be sure to watch, and if you'd like any help researching, I'd be glad to help.
There are quite a few topics I keep wanting to make videos on, but life's rather challenging at the moment.
@@morielrorschach8090 yes, I’m open to any critique or improvements. Even now I’m finding tiny things I post that may be misleading and have to re edit (My channel has a description of my background as it relates to how I understand the Bible) I have no formal training in any seminary, but I am very well read and informed on the topics I address. I just get frustrated when I see church leaders misrepresent the text in order to avoid so called uncomfortable statements of the Bible
Yea. Makes it hard to read bible when god says one thing and all his followers do the opposite lol time and again.
That's the whole point man is jacked up. That's the whole point of to return things to before the fall.
that's the point. humanity is sinful. we are all flawed and should all repent. this includes even the historical bible heroes! Moses, King David as he said, even Jesus' 12 disciples themselves! again, humanity is flawed and needs salvation.
it is not a mark on God that people are sinful, it is a mark on people. it's a logical fallacy to say Christianity is bad because people are bad. again, that's the point. we need to repent.
@@sandstorm7768 that goes for any other religion just tired of all these idiots that think theirs is the only one or whatever
@@Durangotek Every other religion says that we must extricate ourselves out of the mess we're in, i.e. that we must haul ourselves up by our own bootstraps. Scripture instructs us in various ways that only God can do this and not we ourselves.
According to the bible, God instructs to take multiple wives. This I have issues with. Half of Gods human population are treated like cattle. Of course it was women that could be killed for adultery, meanwhile the man just took extra wives and concubines. Either scribes falsely out words in Gods mouth or there is something very wrong. Don’t kid yourselves women would ever have been happy with this. Men’s greed is what it is
Thank you for your words man! This was needed
I'm sorry to say this, but this video contains a factual error. Royal figures were NOT the only ones who had multiple wives. In the book of Samuel we read of Samuel's parents. His father had two wives, and was as far from sitting on the throne as you can get. Jacob and Esau were never royal figures, yet both practiced polygymy. It does seem to be a taboo by the time of Jesus, but it was not just restricted to kings.
He didn't say just kings. He said, you also had to be financially capable of supporting multiple wives.
I feel sorry when I hear such questions like why did God allow Polygamy. People who are watching this video don't be deceived. God is God. He can decide what He wants to do with anything He created. He even says it in the Bible. So why does the world want to claim to be wiser over something they can never create? Please stop putting words into God's mouth. The only being who could answer this question is God Himself. And the fact that He never justifies why He does certain things. It means you don't have that right to know. You will go to hell!!!
Amen
Why was David who was perfect in Gods eyes but also had many wives the sin he committed was he took another mans wife but before that he had no problems with God.
@UCvV6NoT83eBsGInKPaadjSw my point exactly 👍🏽💯
He wasn't perfect I'm Gods sight..but he was a man after God's own heart