As a student of physics, I learned that light has three principal parts. The luminiferous (the light you see) the calorific (heat you feel) and the actinic (the molecular effect on film). Any analogy is imperfect but I think light itself (Jesus said I am the way the truth and the light) is one of the best.
May God bless you brother and your family. May our Lord Jesus Christ continue to lead you so as to follow Him and to bring many lost to saving faith in Jesus Christ. By the way, I'm also from India ( Tamil Nadu).
After viewing this video, and reading many comments below I conclude this. First let me say I am a simple man. I have education beyond high school. I find great joy and wonder learning about God, and the many wonders of the Bible and such. I am often reminded that I am a finite being trying so hard to understand and grasp an infinte God. I strongly beleive that God honrs my honest efforts to know and understand Him. I enjoy hearing the insights of others. I ponder them, look at scripture, and pray. Thank you all for your thoughts. Let us eagerly search the scriptures, talk amongst ourselves, but always remember to ask for the Holy Spirit to lead us into all truth. Let us pray for our faith to grow in Christ, for the salvation of friends and family, and for our nation. Stay the course...fight the good fight. Keep our eyes in Jesus. God richly bless you all.
@@jimjuri6490I truly hope you are being sarcastic. JW’s refuse to “see” any truth, at all. They are forbidden from looking, listening, or seeing anything but the lies their false scriptures teach them.
@@thesavior6291 : Note Jesus' words to those who use his name to do miracles. (Matthew 7:22) Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ What will be Jesus' response? (Matthew 7:23) And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’ Obviously miracles using Jesus' name are not done with God's power. God's Will in these last days is that this good news about the Kingdom be preached worldwide. Matthew 24:14. Only JWs are involved in it.
I don't think we can ever produce an analogy of the Trinity that is 100% accurate; for a start our finite minds cannot comprehend such a mind-blowing concept. As a Pastor the analogy I often use is one given to me many years ago by another Pastor who has now gone on to be with the Lord. The analogy says this; as we were originally made in God's image, to 'understand' the Trinity we should look at our self. We are made up of three separate parts, body, soul and spirit. Our body is not our soul or spirit; our soul is not our body or spirit; our spirit is not our body or soul. Each has its own function yet they are all part of me - one person - and if one were missing I would cease to exist. In some ways I see what one might call the 'created form of God' in a human being, namely our soul represents God the Father (The centre of all that is); our body represents the Son (God made flesh) and our spirit represents the Holy Spirit (God the Spirit). This is an analogy of course so should not to be taken literally! Of course like all the others this analogy is not perfect but I think it's a good one.
Jesus' prayer to his God Jehovah will be of help. (John 17:3) This means everlasting life, their coming to know YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and the one whom YOU SENT, Jesus Christ. If God cannot be known then Jesus made a false promise. Get to know who God is. AND get to know who Jesus is. That will pave the way for salvation. Analogies is for what purpose?
There's no Holy spirit in the bible, because the term contains an article. The correct translation is Spirit of the Holy. Only this translation error already nullifies the trinity.
@@jimjuri6490also Revelation speaks about it. "Who perseveres I'll write the name of my God and my new name". If God has another, so, by logic, He is not the Almighty. This is what trinitarians don't understand.
I think one of the biggest problems is that people do not understand the nature of analogies. No single analogy can fully describe ANYTHING - never mind the Trinity. We use analogies everyday ... e.g. we may describe a ruby as being "blood red". In this we are using blood to describe the ruby - but, it must be noted that we are only analogising ONE aspect of the ruby; its colour. The describe the size of the ruby, one would have to use a different analogy - a pea, a pigeon egg, a sparrow egg, or whatever. And one could continue using a different object to convey an appropraiate characteristic of the ruby. And, I think, that when we as Christians use analogies to describe the Trinity, we fall into the trap of trying to find ONE analogy that will explain every aspect of the Trinity - which of course is impossible. I believe that analogies are useful. Jesus, when communicating spiritual truths, always used analogies (parables, metaphors, etc); He never used logic. And He used many different parables - each parable communicating a different truth. NO ONE parable could communicate ALL spiritual truth.
I hear you, and there's an element of truth to that, but at the same time even if you use an analogy to describe only part of the truth, your analogy is still flawed if it better describes error than it does truth, with respect to the part of the truth you are trying to explain. This is why the circles are a good analogy (they accurately communicate both the simultaneous oneness and distinctness of Father Son and Spirit, even though it fails to capture the personal element of the divine nature, that is not a problem because it is a related but secondary consideration). This is why both the water and 3 humans analogies don't work. Water is not simultaneously one and three, it is consecutively one and three. Humans are not one in the same sense as God is one, even though they too are personal. Hence these better describe the various misunderstandings of the trinity, which is exactly what you want to exclude by using the analogy to explain the trinity in the first place.
@@truthmatters7573 An Old Testament prophet described so-called intellectuals today as " ever learning and never able to come to a knowledge of the truth". That's a good description of what's happening here. The Trinity is a false doctrine made up by the Catholic Church, and retained by reformist Protestants.
@truthmatters7573 Sorry, the circle analogy is as bad as any other. It doesn't capture the Oneness at all because the nature of each circle includes its color and position of its centre. Even if you make the circles all the same color, they would still fail to share the same nature because they will have different centres!
@@mathewsamuel1386 Did you and I watch the same video? He clearly said 3 perfectly overlapping circles. That means they have the exact same center and the exact same radius. They are identical in space, but different in expression. What makes the analogy work is that the circles are identical in one way (center point and radius) but distinct in another way (border color) and all three exist simultaneously exhibiting these properties. Mathematically border color is not even part of the definition of a circle only radius and center point are, therefore these 3 circles are mathematically identical, not just equal or similar. These three circles exist independently and simultaneously as distinct identical circles. Now no analogy is perfect, and the shortcoming here is that we are talking about an abstract object instead of a person, but other than that it does not lead you to an erroneous understanding of the way in which God is one and the way in which God is three. If we wanted to create a creed for this analogy we could say that this analogy neither divides the space nor confounds the circles.
Thank you for this. As I am a true Christian. My husband was a JW for over 26 years. He left about 5 years ago but still believes Jesus Christ was created. I am almost done reading the Bible for the first time, and instantly I understood God’s word regarding the Triune God. The Father, the Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. It’s difficult for him to grasp this, as he’s studied the Bible for over 26 years. I’ve had to stop debating with him and just pray over his heart and his mind. Thank you again for this video ❤
True Christians have never believed the Roman Catholic Trinity. Sorry! Here is what True Christians believe as stated by Paul. (1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually TO US one God, the Father, Others can and are free to believe whatever they prefer. Ask the hubby for help. He may no longer be an active JW, but once people learn the TRUTH, they cannot unlearn it.
Ever since I heard Adrian ROgers say, "GOD the Father, GOD the Son, and GOD the Holy Spirit," I use that formula instead of "Trinity." I find it ever so more fruitful.
we dont come into our home through the window, we use a door, cant drive until we insert the key. the question is, not what do i believe, but what does the bible say on the matter? a good way to escape being dooped is by always syarting our conversation with, "the bible says"- for instance: "the bible says in galatians 3;226 and 27-"for you are all the children of GOD by faith in JESUS CHRIST, IF I NOW SAY, SEE?ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS BELIEVE, BUT PUT IN CORRECT CONTEXT THE NEXT VERSE GALATIANS 3;27 SAYS"FOR AS MANY OF YOU AS HAVE BEEN BAPTIZED INTO CHRIST HAVE PUT ON CHRIST. NOW, IT SAYS A WHOLE DIFFERENT THING. WHAT BAPTIZM IS IT TALKING ABOUT? "THE BIBLE SAYS" IN ACTS 2;38- REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED, EVERYONE OF YOU, IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS, AND YE SHALL RECIEVE THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST. THE VERY NEXT VERSE PUTS 2;38 IN CONTEXT AND PROVES EVERYONE MUST DO THIS TO OBTAIN FORGIVENESS OF SINS AND RECIEVE THE HOLY GHOST. ACTS 2;39-N FOR THE PROMISE IS UNTO YOU, AND TO YOUR CHILDREN, AND TO ALL WHO ARE AFAR OFF, EVEN AS MANY AS THE LORD OUR GOD SHALL CALL. NEXT QUESTION DOES MY SALVATION DEPEND ON THIS? "THE BIBLE SAYS" IN MARK 16;16-HE THAT BELIEVETH AND IS BAPTIZED SHALL BE SAVED, BUT HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT SHALL BE DAMNED. SO WE CAN SEE THAT, YES BAPTIZM IS A SALAVATION ISSUE. LAST "THE BIBLE DOES NOT SAY" ANYTHING ABOUT ANY SINNERS PRAYER.
Note: The term God the Father is scriptural. The other two aren't. (1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father, This is what True Christians believe.
@@jimjuri6490It's never helpful when you characterize someone with whom you have a mimor disagreement a "fake Christian." What he said is true amd NOT "unscriptural."
@@hurdygurdyman1905 : Please read what I wrote. I was quoting what Paul wrote. When he said "TO US" he meant True Christians. Because he contrasts it with what others believe. Logically, anyone who believes anything else, such as Jesus is also God, is a fake Christian. This is what Jesus will say to such ones soon. (Matthew 7:23) And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’ The above are scriptural. God the son and God the holy spirit were made up terms by the Roman Church. Not found anywhere in the Bible. I was helping with what the Bible teaches.
@@jimjuri6490 I did read what you wrote. You misunderstand the Scriptures yourself, and then use that lack of understanding as a stick to beat others. The Scriptures clearly present Jesus as God. That the exact phrase "God the Son" doesn't appear in the original Greek is irrelevant.
What if tritheism is modified in this way: human beings have distinct natures, but God being (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) has a common nature (omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent)? This accounts for the Godhead existing individually and jointly at the same time. This is how I understand the Trinity, and it is kind of similar to the last analogy.
It’s a weird claim to say that human persons have distinct human natures when the one who came out with that analogy clearly said they all share one and the same nature. I’m not saying this about you but the guy in the video.
That is another foolish analogy, especially because the Holy Spirit is the _power_ that allows the Father and Son to be all-knowing, all-powerful, and see everything. That's what Gabriel said it is in Luk. 1:35: the _power_ of God. It is how the Father and Son are able to execute Their will. That is what was hovering over the waters in Gen. 1: God's _power_ . It was NOT, and is NOT, a separate God. Nor is it a separate self that exists inside God. It is _power_ !
Mankind does not have a distinct nature. We all share the same nature/being of mankind. Each one of us has the same amount of organs, limbs, and digits. Yet we are seperate persons.
A rope is composed of three strands. If one unravels it a little, one will see the three strands that remain a single rope composed of three strands. The three strands are similar, but not the same, they are individual strands forming a rope.
@Jax-zr9fu, It matters not what analogy you use because He is not three persons in One God. Can you not understand the work of the crooked serpent? The work of Jesus in earth was to show us the only True God. Was all of Jesus's work in vain?
I have used the analogy of a person having a body, soul and spirit and that has helped to understand the Trinity. I guess it isn't an accurate analogy but did help some people to understand.
, THE BIBLE NEVER SHOWS ANY PERSON REPEATING A SINNERS PRAYER, , , WE CAN LEAVE THE SUBJECT OF THE TRINITY OUT OF IT AND JUST ASK, what MUST I DO TO BE SAVED? THE JAILER IN ACTS 16;23-33 ITS RIGHT THERE IN THE BIBLE TO SEE, PAUL AND SILUS ANSWERED : BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THOU SHALT BE SAVED, BELIEVING ALONE T DOES NOT SAVE, THE NEXT 2 VERSES DEMONSTRATE WHAT SAVING FAITH DOES: AND THEY SPAKE UNTO HIM THE WORD OF THE LORD, AND TO ALL THAT WERE IN HIS HOUSE, AND HE TOOK THEM THE SAME HOUR OF THE NIGHT, AND WASHED THEIR STRIPES, (AND WAS BAPTIZED, ACTS 2;38) HE AND ALL HIS STRAIGHTWAY. WE CAN READ IN THE BIBLE, THAT PAUL NEVER TOLD THE JAILOR THE HE NEEDED TO ACCEPT OR RECIEVE THE LORD AS A PERSONAL SAVIOR, HE NEVER HAD HIM REPEAT THE SINNERS PRAYER FOUND IN EVERY TRINITARIAN CHICK PUBLICATIANS TRACT. ACTS 2;38 DOESNT ONLY APPEAR IN ACTS 2;38 ITS ALL OVER , EVERY PERSON CONVERTED AND WHO BECAME A "CHRISTIAN"ACTS 11;26 WAS BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST , IN ACTS 22;16 PAUL RECOUNTS HIS OWN CONVERSION ACCORDING TO ACTS 2;38 IN HIS OWN WORDS; ROMANS 6;1-6 EPHESIANS 4;3-6 BUT, THAT SAID, HOW MANY FOLKS CLAIMING THE TRINITY WILL ACTUALY OPEN THE BIBLE AND READ THIS FOR THEMSELVES? NOT MANY, A VAST MAJORITY ARE FABRICATING A COMEBACK INSTEAD, NOT REALIZING ITS GODS WORD, AND THEREFORE GOD HIMSELF THEY ARE FIGHTING, WILL YOU DEAR READER BE BOLD ENOUPH TO CHECK UP ON THIS AND SEE IF IT IS SO? GOOGLE EVERY BAPTIZM IN THE BIBLE NOBODY IS EVER BAPTIZED IN 3 ANYTHING AS IN MATHEW 28;19 AM I AGAINST 28;19? NO! JESUS IS THE FATHER ISAIAH 9;6 HE IS THE SON, ISAIAH 9;6 HE IS "THE MIGHTY GOD" ISAIAH 9;6 FATHER SON AND HOLY GHOST ARE TITLES, NOT NAMES AND MATHEW 28;19 READS BAPTIZING THEM IN THE NAME (SINGULAR) JAMES 2;19 SAYS THOU BELIEVEST THERE IS ONE GOD, THOU DOEST WELL, THE DEVILS ALSO BELIEVE, AND TREMBLE ROMANS 6;1-6 PROVES THE ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT IS WRITTEN TO AND FOR THOSE WHO HAVE (PST TENSE) ALREADY BEEN BAPTIZED, UNDER 2 OR 3 WITNESESS, EVERY WORD SHALL BE ESTABLISHED, GALATIANS 3;26-27 READ THUS:FOR YOU ARE ALL THE CHILDREN OF GOD BY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST. IS IT ONLY BY THAT FAITH? NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. THE VERY NEXT VERSE READS:FOR AS MANY OF YOU AS HAVE BEEN (PAST TENSE) BAPTIZED (PST TENSE) INTO CHRIST HAVE PUT ON CHRIST. I REPEAT THE ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT (THATS AFTER THE RESURECTION) IS WRITTEN SPECIFICLY AND DIRECTLY TO THOSE, ONLY THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN BAPTIZED AS IN ACTS 2;38 HOW MUCH OF ME, MYSELF HAVE I JUST POSTED? OR DID I NOT PRESENT ONLY BIBLE SCRIPTURE? IN CONCLUSION, I MENTIONED THAT FATHER SON AND HOLY GHOST ARE TITLES NOT NAMES THATS WHY, SHOCKER, YOU WONT FIND THE APOSTLES TO WHOM MAT 28;19 WAS BEING SPOKEN TO BY JESUS EVER, AND NEVER BAPTIZED ANYONE IN 3 ANYTHING , DO THE APOSTLES SOUND LIKE TRINITARIANS TO YOU? WERE THEY BAFOONS WHO DISOBEYED GOD, WHO IS JESUS, AND POOR OL GOD WAS JUST HELPLESS TO STOP ALL THIS? PICTURE IT: OH NO YOU STUPID APOSTLES! WHY ARENT YOU TEACHING THEM THE SINNERS PRAYER? AND YOU FORGOT TO TELL THEM IM ONLY A SECOND PERSON IN A TRINITY! (... CRICKETS CHIRPING)
The flesh and the soul are part of the same body. So one flesh is made of two things, body and soul. And the Spirit stay in Unity. That's why John says; 1Jn 5:6-7: "This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and with the blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth."
Thank you. This is the simplest explanation I have heard yet. There is so much of divine nature that we don't know but there are many illustrations that would help us. 1Co_6:11, 1Ti_3:16. It's really helpful when you are able to give the scripture references because there are so many that would deny this.
Okay, that last one about the circles made me think of the refraction of light through a prism. Light, being compromised of different colors in part, yet invisible (or white), as a whole, seems a good analogy for the Trinity. Don't you think?
Yes it works on some level, the light never changes just the way we interpret the kight. Sometimes we see God as Jesus and others the spirit or the creator over all, yet he is always unchanged.
Exactly. God says we were made in his image and that is in a Trinity - mind, soul and spirit. Simple People need to remember that God is not human. He was not made in our image.
Athanasian Creed; Dr. Bruce thank you for your time and effort in teaching others about the Trinity. For science explaining, using the resonance in nitrate molecules; each bond in the nitrate ion is one and one-third of a bond, which is consistent with the observation that the three bonds in the nitrate ion have the same bond length and the same bond energy.
I think the best example is given in Genesis 1. HUMANS. We are made in the image of God. We are triune beings. We have a spirit, a soul, and a body. Each part distinct, but each part uniquely makes up who we are.
I would use that analogy but some might say does not scripture say God breathed into man and he became a living soul also while scripture calls us living souls it calls God a quickening spirit. Jesus told Nicodemus that he had to be born of the Spirit to see the kingdom of God. We like to use the word spirit but how is it that we are spiritually dead until born again and the only ones who can worship God in Spirit and truth are those who are born again. It seems that Spirit would be his Spirit which would leave out humanity.
Gen. 2:7 (KJV) "the man became a living soul" after God breathed life into him (ruach, nepesh or pneuma), so the equation is Human body + life force (ruach, nepesh or pneuma) = Living Soul Eze. 18:4 (KJV) "the soul that sinneth, it shall die".
I agree but not to the extent that this is a supporting analogy for the trinitarian concept of God, much rather the opposite. Adam was made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27-27) yet he was one person comprised of or possessing multiple aspects of being: body, soul, and spirit/mind. So it is with God. He is one person: Father in creation (Mal. 2:10) and uniquely of Jesus Christ (Hebrews 1); Son in redemption via the incarnation, (Matthew 1:20-23 and Luke 1:35): and Holy Spirit in nature/essence. (John 4:24) We further see this truth via the Great Commission: Matthew 28:18-20 KJV - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Luke 24:46-48 KJV - And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things. Acts 2:14 KJV - But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: This was fulfilled when Peter preached on the day of Pentecost. Acts 2:38 KJV - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Matthew 16:18-19 KJV - And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Acts 2:41 KJV - Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. Acts 2:47 NKJV - praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved. Respectfully,
This is actually not a good analogy to use. Because our body, spirit and soul are not 3 distinct persons. However the best analogy is indeed mankind. Because God created 1 mankind who is separate persons. Every man on earth shares the same nature/being of mankind. Yet we are multipersonal, separate persons. In the same manner God is 1 nature/being of God, yet God is multipersonal Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
I used to think this. But he explained its flaws. To take on different forms 💦 they become changed atomically. Therefore different and no longer the same.
The inherent flaw in all of the ridiculous "explanations" and "analogies" that trinitarian use in trying to rationalize the doctrine into being logical is that NONE of them are ever based on what the Bible actually teaches about the nature of God. None of them work because because the Bible shows Christ being subordinate to the Father's will, and that They're distinct Beings from each other. The Father raised the Son from the dead. Christ didn't auto-res Himself.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 In Acts 2:24, Peter says that “God raised [Jesus] from the dead.” So that’s the basic answer. God resurrected Jesus. As we read more Scripture, that basic answer becomes more nuanced. The Bible indicates that all three Persons of the Trinity were involved in Jesus’ resurrection. Galatians 1:1 says that the Father raised Jesus from the dead. First Peter 3:18 says that the Spirit raised Jesus from the dead (see also Romans 1:4, and note that Romans 8:11 clearly says that God will resurrect believers “through His Spirit”). And in John 2:19 Jesus predicts that He will raise Himself from the dead (see also John 10:18). So, when we answer the question of who resurrected Jesus, we can say God did. And by that we can mean it was the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It may seem puzzling how Jesus could be said to raise Himself. How can a dead man have any say in his own resurrection? The answer is that Jesus was more than a man who died; He was the eternal Son of God incarnate. Wicked men could kill His body, but they could not change His eternal nature or diminish His divine power. In John 10:17-18 Jesus says something that no mere mortal could ever say: “I lay down my life-only to take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again.” No one else in the history of the world has ever had the authority both to lay down his life and to raise it up again. Furthermore, Jesus said, “I am the resurrection and the life” (John 11:25). He claimed to be the resurrection Himself; He has absolute authority over life and death (Revelation 1:18). Jesus is God. He could say He would raise up His body on the third day because He, being God, has power over death. Who resurrected Jesus from the dead? God did, and by that we mean all three Persons of the Trinity were involved. All three Persons of the Trinity participated in creation (1 Corinthians 8:6; Genesis 1:1-2). All three are involved in salvation (John 3:6, 16). And all three areIn Acts 2:24, Peter says that “God raised [Jesus] from the dead.” So that’s the basic answer. God resurrected Jesus. As we read more Scripture, that basic answer becomes more nuanced. The Bible indicates that all three Persons of the Trinity were involved in Jesus’ resurrection. Galatians 1:1 says that the Father raised Jesus from the dead. First Peter 3:18 says that the Spirit raised Jesus from the dead (see also Romans 1:4, and note that Romans 8:11 clearly says that God will resurrect believers “through His Spirit”). And in John 2:19 Jesus predicts that He will raise Himself from the dead (see also John 10:18). So, when we answer the question of who resurrected Jesus, we can say God did. And by that we can mean it was the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It may seem puzzling how Jesus could be said to raise Himself. How can a dead man have any say in his own resurrection? The answer is that Jesus was more than a man who died; He was the eternal Son of God incarnate. Wicked men could kill His body, but they could not change His eternal nature or diminish His divine power. In John 10:17-18 Jesus says something that no mere mortal could ever say: “I lay down my life-only to take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again.” No one else in the history of the world has ever had the authority both to lay down his life and to raise it up again. Furthermore, Jesus said, “I am the resurrection and the life” (John 11:25). He claimed to be the resurrection Himself; He has absolute authority over life and death (Revelation 1:18). Jesus is God. He could say He would raise up His body on the third day because He, being God, has power over death. Who resurrected Jesus from the dead? God did, and by that we mean all three Persons of the Trinity were involved. All three Persons of the Trinity participated in creation (1 Corinthians 8:6; Genesis 1:1-2). All three are involved in salvation (John 3:6, 16). And all three are responsible for the resurrection of Christ Jesus.
That's really not a great analogy. The white, yolk, and shell are all distinct parts. The father, son, and spirit are not separate parts from each other. You can separate yolk from white and white from shell
no wonder the ancient romans and Greeks agans who knew nothing about God had Triad'S of GOD that is where the origine of the trinity comes from: False religion.
NEWS: You can be a CHRISTIAN and ANTI-TRINITY! God speaking via Moses, Jesus or the burning bush does NOT make them God, ok? Adam and Eve are one, but one what? Family. God the Father de-le-gates via Jesus, as via Moses. "I can't do anything on my own". Hebrews 1:9 “therefore God, your God, has set you above”. The Father is Jesus’ God! Can’t be clearer. “God is NOT a MAN, that He should lie, NOR a SON of MAN”. God sleeps and defecates not, okey? “For there is ONE GOD, and there is ONE mediator between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus”, and John 17:3. You didn't find the trinity reading the Bible as a child, did you? Somebody suggested it to you. Jesus explained we can be called “you are gods” too, we say “our Father", thus we are gods in a sense. Did Jesus create his own mother? Nobody asked Jesus how he created the Earth. Jesus has body, soul, spirit. God is just spirit. How can they be the same essence, they have the same spirit? Go Unitarians! Even muslims mock Christians because of the LITERAL trinity teaching. Why risk implying God has a multiple personalities disorder? Risk being gullible like Eve? (Peter denied Christ x3. Event the first churches needed correction.) A TRINITARIAN is somebody who ignores* all the above, but throws in a verse they like instead. Self-centered? *Contradictions and lies are Impossible for God, He wouldn't be Holy.
How can water co-exist at three phases (solid, liquid and gas)? Water exists in three distinct phases at something called the triple point. Zero degrees celsius is defined by the triple point of water which is 273.16K at 611.2 Pa. At this temperature water is in the process of changing from a solid state into the liquid phase or visa versa. Molecules in the liquid phase can loose a bit of energy and solidify whilst solid water (ice) can gain some energy and melt. This can be seen in melting ice where the solid ice exists for some time while the exposed surface melts. Molecules in a liquid don't all have the same energy. The energies of the molecules can vary from a finite minimum, which would mark the transition back to a solid phases, up to an infinite energy (although the probability of this occurring is infinitely small). The average energy of the molecules gives us the temperature of the liquid. Statistical thermodynamics can map out the energy distribution of the water molecules. At a certain energy molecules will have enough energy to evaporate, even if the water temperature is 0 degrees C. Because of these two effects it is possible for the water to exist as solid, liquid and gas at the same time. Answered by: Edward Rayne, Physics Undergraduate Student, Cambridge UK Hello so H2O can be a good example do to the triple point of water. John 4:14 but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life.” Blessings
The triple point is a state in which the conditions for each aggregation state is met, so they can change anyway, however there is still only one state present at each unit of water. It's not like we cannot seperate from observation which state water is in at that point like how it is impossible to tell liquid from gas apart at the supercritical point, but that's only two for one.
Does that mean that all this time someone was hanging on to a blind faith? Just asking. Did Jesus worship himself? That is, IF he was God. Give it a thought.
@@jimjuri6490 Jesus Christ is the word. The word proceeded from the Father's mouth. The Father is Jesus Christ. This is why you cannot separate the Father from his word. The Son is the word. The Son of Man is the word. The spirit is the word. The Son is the spirit. The Son of Man is the saviour. The Son of Man will be the one judging in the last day.
@@lpwork6809 : That is exactly what the Bible teaches. (1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father, True Christians believe in ONE GOD. The one Jesus and his Disciples address as OUR FATHER in the Heavens (Matthew 6:9). What others want to believe is their affair. They will even use analogies to get to their goal. The scriptures of course, will never help any false teaching. 'No man has SEEN God at ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12 is clear. Jesus was NEVER God. Not at ANY TIME. Jesus was SEEN.
I think of one sentence in my brain. I tell the sentence to you -- now it's in your brain. While telling it to you, I record myself speaking that sentence in my handphone. One sentence in my brain, one sentence in your brain, one sentence recorded. How many sentences do I say? One. Also a good explanation about the Trinity, because those three sentences exist simultaneously -- exactly like Father and Holy Spirit when they appear at The Son's baptism.
As long as you are aware that those things don't actually "exist", they are mere concepts. You can think of a fictional character, and draw it, and share it, and still that character does not "exist" beyond our imagination and representations of it. A sentence only "exists" as long as we agree on its validity (the sounds being consonants and vowels, making up words, grammar rules...) so it is contingent on our perception of what a sentence is to "be". I doubt the existence of a Trinity is contingent on agreeing upon it. I understand the analogy, but it breaks down when you try to tie it to reality.
I understand no analogy is perfect for understanding the Trinity, but thank you for sharing the best analogy along with false analogies so I can make an idea of what the Trinity really is.
The best way to describe the trinity is mankind. Every man on earth shares the same nature/being of mankind. Yet are seperate persons. In the same way God is 1 nature/being of God, yet God is 3 distinct persons.
The application of θεον as a direct object of λογος in John 1 is anarthrous. It is used in a qualitative sense. ‘In the beginning’ entails that the ontological reality of any ‘thing’ other than God-like the word-is necessarily pantheistic. It is only after God’s first creative act that anything can move from the pantheistic to the panentheistic. John does not set out to assert the trinity, but rather that God is all in all-the one from whom all flows and to whom all points.
only pantheistic if you deem it to be pantheistic and loath the fact that the Word is in God and God is in the word and the Spirit is called "My Spirit" by both the Father and The Son and is in The Father and is in The Son and we find in the final chapter of the revelation of Jesus Christ, the Throne of God and of The Son {one throne} and The Spirit of God and of The Son issuing from the throne. Rev. 22 "Glorify Me with The Glory I had with You before the world began Jn. 14, 17. God speaking "Your throne oh God {Jesus} is established forever" Heb. 11 Let All the Angels Worship Him{Jesus} Heb. 11 Joshua bows down to Jesus and worships Him in front of Jericho Josh.5 Was Joshua a pagan or was he worshipping God? Seems to me you have failed greek and Christianity!
@@jerryharder1381 I think maybe you don’t understand what I mean when I say pantheistic. Before God’s first creative act, there is no ‘other’. It is only after he creates that something exists distinctively apart from God. It is in this sense that trinitarian doctrine ubiquitously proclaims that the Son and the Spirit proceed from the Father. My position isn’t a rejection of the unique aspects of the trinity, but rather an ontology that asserts the Father as the prime mover.
Hey where’s a good place I can learn what you are talking about? I’m not familiar with Koine Greek enough to come to my conclusion based on my knowledge alone
We are, but each of those are a part of us, something we are composed of. My soul will live on when separated from my dead body (until the resurrection.) None of them is me. But God is not composed of parts. It's funny you said "simple," because the trouble with the analogy is precisely that God is simple (in the technical sense, as in not composed of parts.) I know tone doesn't come across, so I want to clarify I'm not trying to say this unkindly. Just suggesting rethinking the analogy.
This is such a bad explanation and really shows that most people don't understand the trinity. Jesus is FULLY god. Your body/mind/soul individually are not fully you. Each are aspects of you. You're basically implying that Jesus is an aspect of God which is not the case.
Another issue is we are never told in the bible we are body soul and spirit. According to the bible God breathed into Adam's nose and man became a living soul. Not body soul and spirit.
@@VileVendetta No disrepect intended at all, but Jesus is by his nature fully God. Jesus is not the whole of God. This is evident in several areas, not least of which being that the Father can know something the Son does not. They are not interchangeable. Your mind, for example, is fully you. It's your mind and nobody else's. You as a whole are not just your mind, however.
@@unexpectedTrajectory Likewise, I don't mean any ill will here whatsoever! Just having a discussion. God constantly makes the distinction Himself between the three aspects/beings/persons or whatever you want to call them that compose His enitre being. A distinction without a difference is meaningless so there must be some difference. God made man in His image, and spoke in the plural while doing so. This can't mean multiple gods (whole other discussion!), so what is the plurality in reference to if not these three distinct but inseparable aspects of the single being? And what was meant by "in our image"? Physically, mentally, spiritually, or all three? Your soul will live on, agreed! But will it do so without a body or a mind? Maybe it wil and I am open to correctionl, but the text seems to indicate this not being the case. Why would we need perfected bodies if we don't require a body at all for example?
Awesome vid, and great explanation, I've never had any problem with the idea of the trinity but is nice to watch it explain this well. BTW it is, in fact, possible for water to exist in its 3 states at the same time. It requires very specific conditions of preassure and temperature but nevertheless possible. Its called Triple Point of Water.
The water example is a heresy of Modalism because you are saying that water takes on different modes of the same substance, meaning they are not 100% distinct like the doctrine of the trinity says.
Dr. Ware, thank you for your presentation. I was puzzled when said that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit possess the same attributes (1:25-1:33). If the Son is omiscient like the Father, then why didn't the Son know when He would return a second time (Matt. 24:36)?
Your explanation of the Trinity is right on perfect according to the dream God showed me a few months ago. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are 3 distinct (different) persons but are all God. They work collaboratively together as one unit.
@algut2376 And God said " let US go down and create man after OUR image, after OUR likeness. Later God said the man has become like one of US knowing good from evil. Either God is a schizophrenic, or there's more than one person there speaking singularly.
Very correct. God IS speaking to another...his Son. The one who aided the Father in creation. The passage does not speak of or indicate a community of 3 any more than 4 or 5 or 6.@@rayspeakmon2954
@@rayspeakmon2954 Have you ever spoken to yourself? "Got dang it i forget my keys in the house" we have all done this so maybe we are all scizophrenic! I believe God was speaking to himself. Or else to the heavenly host. But God is definitely one person. Read the whole bible brother! Accept Jesus as your savior this is what really matters!
DISCLAIMER - this comment is LONG, but if you stick with me to the end, I think you'll find that it was WORTH THE READ. That is, if you genuinely like to reflect on the Nature of the Trinity. As soon as I read the title of this video, I got excited. I thought, "Finally, someone is going to attempt to explain the Trinity in a way that helps us to understand the Nature of God. The speaker in the video did a good job at explaining some of the false views of the Trinity and some of the analogies / images that are good or bad at representing the Trinity. But his analogy at the end was a little simplistic in my opinion. Three different colored circles all stacked on top of one another... ehhhh.... I think that we can get more creative than that with discussing the Nature of the Trinity. So I figured I would share some of the thoughts that I have concerning the Nature of God and see if it resonates with others or if others find it helpful or misleading. But to me, the following explanation has become a core idea in my theology and in my mind that I reflect upon often. It has given me much comfort and peace as these ideas sink in more and more. Disclaimer: I know that the following reasoning has its limitations (as all human logic does), but nevertheless this has really helped me in my understanding of how God can be both One but yet multiple Persons at the same time. God exists in eternity past. And as God is existing, He is aware of Who He IS. Of what He IS like. God’s awareness of Himself is not like our awareness of ourselves. With us, our understanding of ourselves is mostly our ego. Who we think we are and who others have told us we are. But that image we have of ourselves in our minds is very limited. Even if we had a thorough understanding of the depths of our own psyche, the image we can draw up of ourselves in our head doesn’t include the complexities of all our cells and the activities that they are continually engaged in. Or the millions of nerve endings throughout our body or the synapses continually firing in our brains. Our image of ourselves usually doesn’t include any of these things. But even if it did, and we had a complete and comprehensive picture-perfect understanding of who we are, the image we have of ourselves in our mind would still be just that - an image. It wouldn’t be fully like us because, in the end, it is still just an idea of who we are in our head. It is not us. But this is not the case when it comes to God. His ways are higher than ours. If God were ask Himself, “Who AM I ?” Or “What AM I Like ?” then He would have no problem having a perfect Image of Who He IS in His own Mind (now I am aware that God doesn’t have a “mind” in the same sense as we do, with our “mind” being bound to our brain. But God doesn’t have a physical “brain” as we do, but rather God IS Spirit. Not physical. At least not until the Incarnation). As God sees Who He IS in His Own Mind, the Image that He has of Himself is FULLY like Him. In all ways. Including the fact that this Image is Conscious. As God is Conscious. God is completely capable of being so aware of Who He IS that the Image He perceives is FULLY like Him. The Image of God IS also Conscious. Thus we have Two Conscious Persons Co-Existing. One Begotten of the Other. We have an Eternal Father and Son. This also helps us to understand why Jesus would say that the Father is “greater than Him” or that He is “sent from the Father.” They ARE Both COMPLETELY God but one is rightfully called Father and the Father has “Begotten” a Son. But Their Identity and Life and bound to One Other. If God is a Conscious God, then there MUST be Another Conscious Person there with Him, because He is completely Aware of His Own Essence to such an extent that the Image He has of Himself in His Own Mind is also Conscious. Thus we have an eternal Father and Son. Existing TOGETHER. Both completely God. But existing in Two Persons at the same time. And these two Persons are Both aware of the Other. They Both see and behold the Glory of the Other and delight in and rejoice over the Other. The Father is so joyous in His Love for the Son that He desires to pour out ALL of His Essence and Being upon His Son. He holds nothing back. He pours out so much of Himself that it can right be called God. It is not as if He is pouring out part of what He has to offer but that He pours out His very Being and Essence. It IS God. It is His Spirit. And the Son does the same thing back to the Father. Pouring out His very Essence and Being upon the Father. Thus we affirm the Athanasian Creed - the Spirit proceeds from BOTH the Father AND the Son. So we find a God Who IS Conscious. Existing in Two Persons. But God is also Relational. We can rightly say that He exists in Three Persons. Each bound to the Others and finding Their Identity in the Other. If God is Conscious, then there must be at least Two Persons. And if there are Two, They are are Relational. And if The are Relational, then perhaps it can be argued that there is a Third Person. If They share Themselves COMPLETELY with the Other, then the “Thing” flowing from Them is also FULLY God. Otherwise They would only be sharing things they have vs. Them sharing Their very Essence with One Another. A few additional thoughts - These thoughts are a little rough and still need to be polished more, but I feel like what we observe in the physical world testifies to the idea of Oneness and Plurality. Wouldn’t it be fitting that this God would create the world to behave in such a way that it reflects His Nature? Wouldn’t it make sense that His creation would reflect some of His Own Attributes? Let us look closer to see if this is the case. Consider the nature of energy. I am sure that you have heard it said that “everything is ultimately vibration or energy.” Well what does it mean for something to vibrate? It can only be understood as you come to understand how that “thing” is relating to other “things.” You can not know that the first thing is vibrating or oscillating unless it is seen in relationship to other “things.” If that thing existed alone, you wouldn’t even know that it is moving or vibrating. You can only understand the behavior of that thing by understanding its relationship to other things. The same is true of God. You can not know Who God IS or what He is doing unless you understand Him as He relates to “otherness.” As He relates to His Son and how They relate to One Another through the Spirit. This is the starting point of understanding anything in nature and it is also our starting point in understanding the Nature and Being of God. They must be understood by studying Their relationship to “other.” Additionally, let us consider not just the nature of energy as a whole, but specific types of energy - thermal energy and electrical energy. These type of energy behave in such a way that they always share from a greater to a lesser. They are not greedy. They always seek equilibrium. This is true of the Nature of God as well. The Father does not hoard His Own Glory but shares it with the Son. He does not hold anything back from His Son, but shares all things with Him. So much so that He pours out His entire Being and Essence upon His Son. He shares the fullness of His Spirit with His Son. And the Son does the same with the Father. There is complete Equilibrium. Just as we see in thermal and electrical energy. They seek equilibrium. I know that some of these ideas are a little rough and in the their early stages, but I believe that they may help some of you on your journey to discovering the Nature of God as they have helped me. Glory to the Father. Glory to the Son. Glory to the Spirit. Three in One. Blessings upon all who read this. Please comment and let me know if this makes sense to you, because I want to develop these ideas more fully, but I need some constructive feedback from the Body of Christ.
Interesting idea, but why start with the idea that God is three when we are never told that God is three? The concept that an Almighty God can choose to be what God chooses to be (I AM THAT I AM) would seem to be a better starting point. With the analogy given in the bible that Jesus is the image of the invisible God. Therefore if we think about what that means. Simply look into a mirror. Who do you see? Yourself and at the same time distinct from you your image. Just as Jesus said he did nothing of Himself only what the Father did. If someone has seen your image they can also say they know what you look like too. Simple analogy from the bible. God was manifest in the flesh, or represented in the flesh. Never are we told a distinct person with God was represented only God. Even John 1:...Word (logos) became flesh. Logos didn't mean person before Word became flesh. You can look up the meaning of logos for its ancient Greek meaning. It basically means thought, reason, logic, wisdom, idea, and plan. All ways that someone can know someone that you have never met. If I was to tell you all about me with my "words" this is my logos. My logos has always been with me. My logos is not another person with me. If I was spirit as Jesus said God is I would need to have flesh and blood to do what only God can do. Become flesh as we are told. Therefore Jesus would have existed as a distinct person with God but as God alone. Meaning God can choose to be the Almighty God in heaven and the lamb slain before the foundation of the world all at the same time. The Holy Spirit according to Jesus is said to be Another. Which means another of the same. Obviously not another only begotten Therefore another way God chooses to be represented for us. You seem to be a deep thinking person so I would hope you pray and consider this.
Catholic Romanism, Trinitarianism, or what is rightly the political doctrine, Constantine-Theodosius Romanism is false religion. It is a Satanic doctrine of inference found no where in the Bible and especially not in the New Testament and not found on the lips of Jesus nor any of the apostles, no where found in the gospels, nor the letters, nor Acts, nor Revelation. Trying to rationalize a false doctrine while in the flesh compounds the problem. So doing is doing the work of Satan.
@@andrewbrown9497 Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate your thoughts and for sharing. Personally though I didn’t think that I was starting with Three, but Three is the conclusion I came to in the end. I actually started with the question, “Is God Conscious?” And the line of reasoning I presented above is what came out of years of meditating on that question. But to me, it seems to be in line with the historical confession of the Church, that God is Three Persons but yet One in His Being and Essence. And God is clearly in some type of fellowship with Himself in eternity past. Just read John 17. I was merely trying to point out that both philosophy and creation itself (nature) both affirm what the Church has already preached and held to for 2,000 years. It wasn’t invented. It was the people of God recognizing a Truth that is self existent. Philosophy and reason along with nature and the created order affirm the idea of Plurality and Oneness being at the core of God’s Essence. The Christ has to be more than just a reflection. The Truth has to go deeper. A reflection is not alive and conscious, like the Son of God IS. I fear that sticking too close to the reflection analogy gets close to modalism. But instead we see the Son talking to, having fellowship with, and Being in Relationship with the Father. Both while on Earth and before the Earth began. John 17.
@@johnp.johnson1541You never once actually entered into a genuine conversation with me, but just claimed that doctrines you don’t agree with are heresy. Which I am not roman catholic by the way. But you never actually engaged in any honest dialogue or attempted to refute any of the logic laid out in the argument above. Your whole argument is that the word Trinity isn’t used in the Bible…? The word electricity isn’t in n the Bible either. That doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist. Words are made up along the way to capture ideas and help man to articulate clearly what he is trying to convey. The word Trinity may not be in the Bible, but the Concept is ABSOLUTELY there. Reread my initial comment again and the Scriptures listed there. Once you have done that, then have a genuine conversation with me about the logic / reasoning presented there. But if you are simply going to take everything I said, put into a box that you made a label for, and call it heresy, without even mentioning ANY of what I said in your so called rebuttal, then we both have better things to do with our time. But if you want to have a genuine and respectful conversation, then please start there.
@@davidromesburgYou actually began with your first paragraph ending "...if you genuinely like to reflect on the Nature of the trinity." The trinity is three separate persons. That is therefore starting with three. The concept that God is three has never been mentioned in the Bible. At best the concept is trying to explain that God is something God has never revealed to mankind. Although we have the stressed concept that God is one. One Almighty God. Again and again that point is made. Consider that a reason to not have an analogy that God is three is because God is one. The analogy of the image, that is given, therefore should be considered and understood. That concept is given to us in the Bible. As Jesus told us God is spirit. What if a invisible spirit (God) looks into a mirror? By all that we know there would be no image. Therefore something would have to "come into being" for there to be an image. Watch the movie "Invisible man" same concept. Also if you haven't noticed I am using concept from the Bible that tells us about what we are talking about. None have mentioned the concept that a person with God that was also God but not another God was the source of the image. Neither are we told that one of the persons became flesh. We are although told Word (Logos) became flesh. Which was with and was God. Understanding the ancient Greek meaning of logos is important. Most of us, and even a good friend of mine that does speak modern Greek, has no knowledge of its meaning. Logos can be understood just as if I was to tell you all about me, or at least all I wanted you to know about me. God was known to those in the Old testament only through the prophets. Hebrews 1:1 When God spoke to the people many times and many ways. Again not persons of Himself, but God doing this. The next verse is even better. So what proof is there that proves God is something we are told compared to clear scripture that tells us God is one? One that is without limits. Limitless one. Just as scripture tells us a plural one. Without limits. Often John 17 is brought up as proof of Jesus's being with the Father before the world existed. Of itself it would be compelling. The clear issue is context. Was Jesus here giving us insight of His and the Father duality? No we are not being given new insight that conflicts with John chapter one, or 1 John chapter one. If Jesus was He would have explained this at some point. The context of John 17 is not for insight of Jesus being a person with God, but acknowledgement of what was for told. Example the lamb slain before the foundation of the world, bruising his heel while crushing his head. Consider what is given to us rather consider what is not. For example you can consider Santa Claus. You can justify all sorts of reasons for him. It doesn't change what it true. Search for the truth not to prove what is never told. We are also told Jesus is God manifest in the flesh. Or that God was manifest in the flesh. Manifest means represent. God represented in the flesh. Again never are we told one of the persons was what was represented in the flesh. The concept that God is three presons would first need to be confirmed first in order for that assumption to be used. Without the knowledge that God is three should only leaves us with the knowledge of what God is which again brings us back to the limitless one. Represented in anyway God chooses to be represented. I AM THAT I AM
I'm just starting to learn about God and consider my faith in Jesus and God. To be honest, this video is just too confusing, and something about it rubs me wrong. I feel more calmly when I relax and just let the words pass through me.
Don’t worry too much about the Trinity right now. God will reveal himself to you. The Trinity can be hard to understand at first, but don’t worry ask God for wisdom, and he will give it to you.
The Trinity was one of the twisted doctrines Paul said would creep into Christian beliefs (Acts 20:30). That is why no human mind can comprehend it. However, Jesus in his prayer to his God Jehovah said: (John 17:3) This means everlasting life, their coming to KNOW YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and the one whom YOU SENT, Jesus Christ. If God and the one whom He SENT cannot be known, then Jesus would have made a false promise.
I think the "higher heavens" mentioned in the Bible from a scientific standpoint equate to dimensions. The Father is in the highest heaven, and expressed Himself in a lower dimension as Jesus (Hebrews 1)
That's a good way. We can't see the Father because how can we see a God that's outside of the universe and all known dimensions and is infinite and eternal? How can we see that? The Son is the image and word of the infinite God
It's from the Holy Scripture, 40 books written by many authors over 2500 years and yet it all lines up. You should try reading the bible. It will change your life.
@@leew3365 The Hebrew Bible were written within the 10th century BCE and 5/4th century BCE. That's about 400 or 500 years period. It was done by Jewish scribes sitting down somewhere. Not by Moses or Job or David etc. The new testament was also written by people sitting down somewhere between 70 CE and 130 CE. So where did you get this "many authors" and over "2500 years" from???
It’s not different from paganism. Paganism is full of trinities. The word trinity is nowhere in scripture and the doctrine didn’t exist until 325 CE. God isn’t the author of confusion the devil is. The trinity doctrine is confusion plain and simple. If it wasn’t there wouldn’t be all these preachers, laymen etc always trying to find some way to explain it and make it understandable. God doesn’t work in riddles. Did is truth plain and simple. Anyhow people are going to believe what they believe. This is what I believe.
, THE BIBLE NEVER SHOWS ANY PERSON REPEATING A SINNERS PRAYER, , , WE CAN LEAVE THE SUBJECT OF THE TRINITY OUT OF IT AND JUST ASK, what MUST I DO TO BE SAVED? THE JAILER IN ACTS 16;23-33 ITS RIGHT THERE IN THE BIBLE TO SEE, PAUL AND SILUS ANSWERED : BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THOU SHALT BE SAVED, BELIEVING ALONE T DOES NOT SAVE, THE NEXT 2 VERSES DEMONSTRATE WHAT SAVING FAITH DOES: AND THEY SPAKE UNTO HIM THE WORD OF THE LORD, AND TO ALL THAT WERE IN HIS HOUSE, AND HE TOOK THEM THE SAME HOUR OF THE NIGHT, AND WASHED THEIR STRIPES, (AND WAS BAPTIZED, ACTS 2;38) HE AND ALL HIS STRAIGHTWAY. WE CAN READ IN THE BIBLE, THAT PAUL NEVER TOLD THE JAILOR THE HE NEEDED TO ACCEPT OR RECIEVE THE LORD AS A PERSONAL SAVIOR, HE NEVER HAD HIM REPEAT THE SINNERS PRAYER FOUND IN EVERY TRINITARIAN CHICK PUBLICATIANS TRACT. ACTS 2;38 DOESNT ONLY APPEAR IN ACTS 2;38 ITS ALL OVER , EVERY PERSON CONVERTED AND WHO BECAME A "CHRISTIAN"ACTS 11;26 WAS BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST , IN ACTS 22;16 PAUL RECOUNTS HIS OWN CONVERSION ACCORDING TO ACTS 2;38 IN HIS OWN WORDS; ROMANS 6;1-6 EPHESIANS 4;3-6 BUT, THAT SAID, HOW MANY FOLKS CLAIMING THE TRINITY WILL ACTUALY OPEN THE BIBLE AND READ THIS FOR THEMSELVES? NOT MANY, A VAST MAJORITY ARE FABRICATING A COMEBACK INSTEAD, NOT REALIZING ITS GODS WORD, AND THEREFORE GOD HIMSELF THEY ARE FIGHTING, WILL YOU DEAR READER BE BOLD ENOUPH TO CHECK UP ON THIS AND SEE IF IT IS SO? GOOGLE EVERY BAPTIZM IN THE BIBLE NOBODY IS EVER BAPTIZED IN 3 ANYTHING AS IN MATHEW 28;19 AM I AGAINST 28;19? NO! JESUS IS THE FATHER ISAIAH 9;6 HE IS THE SON, ISAIAH 9;6 HE IS "THE MIGHTY GOD" ISAIAH 9;6 FATHER SON AND HOLY GHOST ARE TITLES, NOT NAMES AND MATHEW 28;19 READS BAPTIZING THEM IN THE NAME (SINGULAR) JAMES 2;19 SAYS THOU BELIEVEST THERE IS ONE GOD, THOU DOEST WELL, THE DEVILS ALSO BELIEVE, AND TREMBLE ROMANS 6;1-6 PROVES THE ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT IS WRITTEN TO AND FOR THOSE WHO HAVE (PST TENSE) ALREADY BEEN BAPTIZED, UNDER 2 OR 3 WITNESESS, EVERY WORD SHALL BE ESTABLISHED, GALATIANS 3;26-27 READ THUS:FOR YOU ARE ALL THE CHILDREN OF GOD BY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST. IS IT ONLY BY THAT FAITH? NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. THE VERY NEXT VERSE READS:FOR AS MANY OF YOU AS HAVE BEEN (PAST TENSE) BAPTIZED (PST TENSE) INTO CHRIST HAVE PUT ON CHRIST. I REPEAT THE ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT (THATS AFTER THE RESURECTION) IS WRITTEN SPECIFICLY AND DIRECTLY TO THOSE, ONLY THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN BAPTIZED AS IN ACTS 2;38 HOW MUCH OF ME, MYSELF HAVE I JUST POSTED? OR DID I NOT PRESENT ONLY BIBLE SCRIPTURE? IN CONCLUSION, I MENTIONED THAT FATHER SON AND HOLY GHOST ARE TITLES NOT NAMES THATS WHY, SHOCKER, YOU WONT FIND THE APOSTLES TO WHOM MAT 28;19 WAS BEING SPOKEN TO BY JESUS EVER, AND NEVER BAPTIZED ANYONE IN 3 ANYTHING , DO THE APOSTLES SOUND LIKE TRINITARIANS TO YOU? WERE THEY BAFOONS WHO DISOBEYED GOD, WHO IS JESUS, AND POOR OL GOD WAS JUST HELPLESS TO STOP ALL THIS? PICTURE IT: OH NO YOU STUPID APOSTLES! WHY ARENT YOU TEACHING THEM THE SINNERS PRAYER? AND YOU FORGOT TO TELL THEM IM ONLY A SECOND PERSON IN A TRINITY! (... CRICKETS CHIRPING)
I have a very simplistic view. When we are so busy that we wish we could multiply ourselves to accomplish something...God can do ANYTHING! Including multiplying Himself. Love is all that matters and He is that too. ❤
The best explanation i have ever heard about why we cannot get a good analogy for the Trinity is that God exists outside of creation, and therefore creation cannot possibly provide a completely applicable example or analogy. Its similar to a xerox copy. The copy loses fidelity because it is not the original, but it reflects the original closely.
@@sentinelleomega_21 : Paul called the Trinity a twisted doctrine (Acts 20:30). That is why humans cannot fathom it. But God can be known as Jesus showed in his prayer. (John 17:3) This means everlasting life, their coming TO KNOW YOU, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
Thank you for this great description and explanation. I have never found it useful to try to draw an analogy from human experience to try to "explain" the Holy Trinity. As you stated, they all (even the ones that are initially helpful) break down and reveal significant deficiencies. Except perhaps the one that God points us to very early in Scripture. In Genesis 1:26-27, it is revealed that we ourselves are made in the image of God, especially as we exist in relationship with each other ("So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.") So, if we are to look for an analog to the nature and image of God, He seems to point us to... ourselves! In particular, to our marriage relationship. Then, in the very next chapter (Gen. 2:24), we read, "Therefore shall man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." This Hebrew word translated "one" is 'echad', and is the same word used in the the opening verse of the venerated Hebrew prayer in Deuteronomy 6:4: "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD." God, as He exists in perfect, triune relationship, is 'echad'. And back in Genesis 2:24, a man and his wife become 'echad' through their marriage relationship. I don't know if this helps "explain" the Trinity, but it sure lends awesome importance and wonder on the relationship God intends husbands to have with our wives.
💯 🕊️ As Christ is head of the church (body) and you cannot have a functioning body without a head! Just as Man is head of the Woman. I often imagine every other faith literally as headless people with no God guiding them stumbling blindly along. Woman was taken from man’s side. Hebrew for side is Tsela I believe. And when Eve was taken from Adam she was taken from his side. Though it’s been translated as rib. And Jesus came from the Father and that’s why he told us we ought to be pleased that he is returning to God’s right hand side … Because where He is we will also be. Jesus said it was a profound mystery. Christ and the Church. We really struggle explaining what’s God given to those chosen by God, to other people, but we can only quote scripture and it’s then in Gods hands as to whether they will receive him. This is what most Christians lose their peace and joy over. I know I have. When I want so badly for everyone to know him as we do. But it’s really Jesus who can make the seeds we plant grow. I noticed your comment mostly as you stuck to Gods word and scripture. Bless you for that!! It’s the right way to spread the word. 🙏🏼🕊️ And I was pleased to see it as I too like to stick with Gods teachings
No it doesn't explain anything. God is not married to the Son and HS. It also doesn't explain why you refuse to believe the plain scripture. God is One and there is NOONE beside Him.
@@annieBBL24 Stay in your circular firing squad Annette. Why would you want to be known for the thing you are for, when you have so much energy to identify with the things you are against!
@@annieBBL24Jesus is seated at the ‘right hand’ of God as he came from his side and returned there. It’s an inseparable unity. His image. Reflection of righteousness. As all who trust in Jesus also will be seated at his right hand side (sheep and flock of God and unbelievers (goats) on his left
There is no Holy Trinity but there is HOLY ONE. I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city. Hosea 11:9 You cannot compare God to anything. Not in 3 in 1 coffee, not on Solid, Liquid, Gas. ETC. Isaiah 40:18 “To whom then will you liken God? Or what likeness will you compare with Him?” Can you give me the name of the Father? The Son and Holy Spirit? Who is your True Almighty God? The Father, The Son or Holy Spirit? Where in the Bible you can find the word "God The Son". In The Bible you can only find "Son Of God" How can you explain this verse? 1 Timothy 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen. (Who is it referring to?) Jesus died at the age of 33. The Holy Scriptures speak mystery in revealing the real identity of God about who HE IS. But to people whom God had revealed Himself, this mystery is He unfolded to them as well. God's real identity is hidden in Christ, the ROCK of stumbling. Also, the Scriptures tell about this mystery and the revelation of the ONLY ONE TRUE GOD, the LORD JESUS CHRIST. 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up in glory. Anyone wants to know the truth?.. I will explain the Doctrine of The HOLY ONE according to the Bible. ( Holy One Doctrine is not Oneness or Unitarian or Dualism). Job 6:10 Then should I yet have comfort; yea, I would harden myself in sorrow: let him not spare; for I have not concealed the words of the Holy One. Psalm 71:22 I will also praise thee with the psaltery, even thy truth, O my God: unto thee will I sing with the harp, O thou Holy One of Israel. Psalm 89:18-19 For the LORD is our defence; and the Holy One of Israel is our king.Then thou spakest in vision to thy holy one, and saidst, I have laid help upon one that is mighty; I have exalted one chosen out of the people. Isaiah 5:19 and 24 That say, Let him make speed, and hasten his work, that we may see it: and let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw nigh and come, that we may know it! Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel. Isaiah 12:6 Cry out and shout, thou inhabitant of Zion: for great is the Holy One of Israel in the midst of thee. Isaiah 17:7 At that day shall a man look to his Maker, and his eyes shall have respect to the Holy One of Israel. Isaiah 40:25 To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One. Isaiah 43: 3 For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee. Isaiah 43:14 Thus saith the LORD, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; For your sake I have sent to Babylon, and have brought down all their nobles, and the Chaldeans, whose cry is in the ships. Isaiah 43: 15 I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King. Isaiah 47:4 As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Israel. Isaiah 54:5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. Ezekiel 39:7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel. Hab. 1:12 Art thou not from everlasting, O LORD my God, mine Holy One? we shall not die. O LORD, thou hast ordained them for judgment; and, O mighty God, thou hast established them for correction. Acts 13:35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. 1 Jn 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
Infinity is an imaginary number. God is not imaginary. He can be known as Jesus showed in his prayer to his God, Jehovah. (John 17:3) This means everlasting life, their coming to KNOW YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ. Both, Jehovah God and the one whom he sent, namely Jesus, the Christ, can be known. No analogies needed.
Psalm 83:18 That men may know that thou,whose name ALONE is JAHOVAH,art the MOST HIGH over ALL the earth there is only ONE and HE is the MOST HIGH over ALL the earth everytime MOST HIGH is used is refering to the FATHER HE ALONE
“The analogy that I like to use to describe the Trinity is 1x1x1=1" That means you don't know that addition and multiplication are not interchangeable. A grade-school kid knows this. You'd be happy for 4+5+6 to be either 15 or 120, whatever suits you at the moment.
I've thought of the Trinity as 1 x 1 x 1 rather than 1 + 1 + 1. When multiplied by one another, each '1' is distinct, but their ultimate product is still 1. This is a unique product of the nature of 1.
thats another good one , i bet the devil helped you find that one . The trinity was invented by the roman catholic church at the concil of nicea:actually the first part: jesus is God and in the year 400 they added the holy spirit which is God's power not a person; but the entire roman popuplation was happy because it fit in with their atheist religion which had triad's of GODS. This was all part of the great apostasy announced by Jesus : after the death of his 12 apostles christian who came from different background inserted things that were in their old false religion. Paul talks about the fact that it had begon during his stewardship and would get worst so by the time Constantine adopted the christian faith in order to unite his empire under one religion in the year 323 after Christ so after that in 323 the concile of Nicea aded to the great apostasy. LEARN YOUR HISTORY YOU WONT FALL INTO THE TRAP OF THOSE PROMOTING NON BIBLICAL TEACHING.
This is the same doctrine as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and other Christians have ridiculed them for 200 years for teaching that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are three distinct personages. The first vision brought this truth to light in an instant. We’ll said, my friend.
No one will ever explain something Paul called a twisted doctrine (Acts 20:30). Stay with Jesus. He promised in his prayer to his God Jehovah: (John 17:3) This means everlasting life, their coming TO KNOW YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ. Jesus obviously can be known too. Trying to explain the Trinity to kids is like telling them about Santa Claus. Both don't exist.
1. God the Father 👨 2. Son of God the Father 👨 3. Holy Spirit of God the Father 👨 John chapter one 1 verse 1 one = [ in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God... Now let's fix this to the exact way it's supposed to be = In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was [ OF ] God Notice the word [ OF ] this word means Belonging to someone or something 🤔 😕 🙄 🙃 🙂 😅 🤔 This someone or something is Only God the Father Whenever you see the word [ OF ] this word means Belonging to someone or something which is God the Father Also = Holy Spirit [ OF ] God The Holy Spirit and the Son Equals = [ OF ] God They both belong to God the Father 👨
Jesus told the Pharisees that Satan was their Father (John 8:44). Trinitarians cannot have a Father as they are confused on who God is. Only Christians have Jehovah God as their Father. (1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father,
I hope someone can answer my question, this is very important for me. I always thought the father is not a part of the trinity instead he is the one in the middle. (picture at 1:52) Why did Jesus prayed to the father who is a "part" of the trinity and not to god? Why he is not praying to the one who is them all? I am reading the scripture daily, i am praying daily, i want to understand that on a deep level. Thanks and Amen!
I believe that only the Father is God. God has a name, which is represented by the four Hebrew letters YHWH, usually translated to English as Jehovah or Yahweh (Psalm 83:18). Jesus is God's Son. Jesus was "begotten" by God, or produced by God. He is God's "firstborn" (Col 1:15) and the beginning of the creation by God (Revelation 3:14). God the Father, on the other hand, does not have a beginning. (Psalm 90:2) 1 Corinthians 8:6 states, "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." Jesus is rightly called Lord since God is the one who made him Lord (Acts 2:36) and exalted him to the highest position (Phil 2:9) and gave him all authority over heaven and earth (Mat. 28:18), but Jesus is not the same as Almighty God. Jesus even refers to his Father on more than one occasion as "my God". (John 20:17, Rev 3:12) In John 17:3, Jesus prayed to his Father in heaven and called him "the only true God."
I think it's a bit different. Jesus is Uncreated, and has always been with God the Father as seen In the Gospel of John, we find a clear declaration of the preexistence of Christ: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" (John 1:1, NIV). This passage underscores that Jesus (the Word) existed eternally with God and as God, indicating His uncreated nature. As God's word has always been with God, so has Jesus been with the Father eternally. Now as to why Jesus called the Father greater than him or my God Philippians 2 6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; 7 rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature[b] of a servant, being made in human likeness. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death even death on a cross! He was Always with God and was God but he reduced himself but after the crucifixion God the Father Again exhalted the Son to his Former Divine Glory.
@Servant_of_christ_777 In John 1:1 the word “theos” (god) appears two times. The first time when it refers to God it has the definite article “the” (ho theos). The second time when it refers to the Word it does not have a definite article. It is indefinite. This shows that God and the Word are not the same. That is why some Bible translators render the second part of the verse “and a god was the word” or “the word was divine.” Note also that John 1:1 says that "the Word was with God". Someone who is with another person is not the same as that other person. The Bible also says that Jesus was created, whereas God was not created and does not have a beginning. Colossians 1:15 calls Jesus the “Firstborn of all creation” and Revelation 3:14 says that Jesus is the “beginning of the creation by God.” The word "harpagmos" in Philippians 2:6 means the seizure or robbery of something that one does not possess. The New American Standard Bible translates it, "Did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped". The English Standard Version renders it, "Did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped," and the Good News Bible says, "He did not think that by force he should try to become equal with God." Jesus set an example for us by not attempting to be equal to God in any way but rather humbling himself. Also, how could Jesus be equal with God since Philippians 2:9 says that after his resurrection, “God also hath highly exalted him”? Bear in mind that the ultimate purpose for Jesus being exalted is to bring glory to God the Father. (Philippians 2:11)
@@jollyrancher521 1. The grammatical structure of John 1:1 in Greek ("kai theos ēn ho logos") follows a common construct in Koine Greek known as Colwell's Rule. When a predicate noun (e.g., "theos") precedes the verb (e.g., "ēn"), it does not require the definite article to convey definiteness. Example: If "theos" had the definite article ("ho theos") in the second clause, it would have implied that the Word (Logos) is the entirety of God, excluding the Father. Instead, John 1:1 indicates that the Word shares the same divine essence as God without conflating the persons of the Trinity. The proper translation is: "The Word was God," affirming the deity of the Word while distinguishing the Word from the Father. The translation "a god" misunderstands the monotheistic framework of John's Gospel. In the context of Jewish monotheism, using "a god" would imply polytheism, which is inconsistent with the rest of Scripture (e.g., Deuteronomy 6:4, Isaiah 44:6). "The Word was with God": This phrase highlights the relational distinction between the Father and the Son within the Trinity. Being "with" God does not deny that the Word is also divine but indicates a personal relationship. 2.The term "firstborn" (Greek: prototokos) does not imply creation but preeminence and rank. In Jewish culture, the "firstborn" held the position of authority and inheritance, regardless of birth order (e.g., David is called the "firstborn" in Psalm 89:27, though he was the youngest of his brothers). Colossians 1:16 clarifies the meaning: "For by Him all things were created." Jesus is the agent of creation, not a created being. The context demonstrates His supremacy over creation rather than inclusion within it. 3.The term harpagmos can also mean "something to be held onto or exploited." The verse indicates that although Jesus is equal with God, He did not cling to or exploit that equality but voluntarily humbled Himself in His incarnation. This does not deny Jesus' deity but highlights His humility. Philippians 2:7-8 describes how Jesus "emptied Himself" and "humbled Himself," taking on human form, while still being fully divine (cf. Colossians 2:9: "For in Him all the fullness of deity dwells bodily"). 4.The exaltation refers to Jesus' glorification in His resurrected and ascended state, not a change in His nature. As the eternal Son of God, He humbled Himself in the incarnation (Philippians 2:7-8) and was subsequently exalted to His rightful position of authority. This exaltation does not imply inequality but demonstrates the Father's approval of the Son's obedience and mission. Jesus' exaltation brings glory to the Father (Philippians 2:11), consistent with the unity of purpose within the Trinity. TLDR: 1) word and God have same essence 2) If through Jesus all was created, how is Jesus himself a created being?
@@tuconexionlocal7516 1 John 5: 7 is a *blatant* Catholic forgery, everybody knows it. Just imagine, the BEST verse to proof the Trinity is a forgery. And *still* no bells ringing, right?
Ingredients for the Trinity: gentile theologians and gentile greek philosophers for no bible, or no jewish prophet,apostle or messiah would ever dare to come up with the doctrine of the trinity. another important ingredient for the trinity is the willingness to be not fully honest. any sane person who reads the bible would clearly see that the father is greater than the son and everyone and anyone. one needs a little dose of dishonesty to claim the father is equal to his son Jesus. and finally the most important ingredient for the trinity is the stick. I ve not come to a teaching about the trinity without some threatening to use the stick, which is threatening to call all those who disagree a follower of a heresy. the heresy stick goes always with the teaching of the trinity unlike any other teaching that’s actually found in the bible. “yet for us there is one God, the Father” 1 cor 8:6
There is no Holy Trinity but there is HOLY ONE. I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city. Hosea 11:9 You cannot compare God to anything. Not in 3 in 1 coffee, not on Solid, Liquid, Gas. ETC. Isaiah 40:18 “To whom then will you liken God? Or what likeness will you compare with Him?” Can you give me the name of the Father? The Son and Holy Spirit? Who is your True Almighty God? The Father, The Son or Holy Spirit? Where in the Bible you can find the word "God The Son". In The Bible you can only find "Son Of God" How can you explain this verse? 1 Timothy 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen. (Who is it referring to?) Jesus died at the age of 33. The Holy Scriptures speak mystery in revealing the real identity of God about who HE IS. But to people whom God had revealed Himself, this mystery is He unfolded to them as well. God's real identity is hidden in Christ, the ROCK of stumbling. Also, the Scriptures tell about this mystery and the revelation of the ONLY ONE TRUE GOD, the LORD JESUS CHRIST. 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up in glory. Anyone wants to know the truth?.. I will explain the Doctrine of The HOLY ONE according to the Bible. ( Holy One Doctrine is not Oneness or Unitarian or Dualism). Job 6:10 Then should I yet have comfort; yea, I would harden myself in sorrow: let him not spare; for I have not concealed the words of the Holy One. Psalm 71:22 I will also praise thee with the psaltery, even thy truth, O my God: unto thee will I sing with the harp, O thou Holy One of Israel. Psalm 89:18-19 For the LORD is our defence; and the Holy One of Israel is our king.Then thou spakest in vision to thy holy one, and saidst, I have laid help upon one that is mighty; I have exalted one chosen out of the people. Isaiah 5:19 and 24 That say, Let him make speed, and hasten his work, that we may see it: and let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw nigh and come, that we may know it! Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel. Isaiah 12:6 Cry out and shout, thou inhabitant of Zion: for great is the Holy One of Israel in the midst of thee. Isaiah 17:7 At that day shall a man look to his Maker, and his eyes shall have respect to the Holy One of Israel. Isaiah 40:25 To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One. Isaiah 43: 3 For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee. Isaiah 43:14 Thus saith the LORD, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; For your sake I have sent to Babylon, and have brought down all their nobles, and the Chaldeans, whose cry is in the ships. Isaiah 43: 15 I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King. Isaiah 47:4 As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Israel. Isaiah 54:5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. Ezekiel 39:7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel. Hab. 1:12 Art thou not from everlasting, O LORD my God, mine Holy One? we shall not die. O LORD, thou hast ordained them for judgment; and, O mighty God, thou hast established them for correction. Acts 13:35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. 1 Jn 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
I appreciate the video. The easiest way to explain the Trinity to a believer is, Father, Son and Holy Ghost. We are made in the image of God. Therefore, we have a Body, Soul, Conscious-Mind. I know the Trinity can ve hard to understand, but this came to me one day and it helped.
"record" in heaven, not witness. "...these three are one". One what? ...One Spirit of God (Jn. 4:24). IJn. 5:8 "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one." The Spirit referenced in v. 7 is the same Spirit in v. 8. However, in v. 8 the Spirit "agrees" with the blood and water. Where do you think that occurs? In the body of Jesus.
The Unholy Trinity doctrine is FALSE. JOHN 19:7 ( Contemporary English Version ) "The crowd replied, "He claimed to be the Son of God! Our law says that he must be put to death." THE SON OF GOD [ Not God ] PSALMS 83:18 (King James Version) "That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth". Jehovah ( ALONE ) is GOD.
@@SevenThunders-si4ci Who ( GAVE ) Christ the Revelation ? What does REVELATION 1:1 say? (King James Bible) "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:" ** Did you see ? GOD - [ Jehovah ] - ( GAVE ) the Revelation to Christ Jesus.
John 5:18: "For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God." Being the Son of God means He is equal to God. But to be equal to God you must be God!
@Chris_Sheridan are you sure. Because Jesus was in water, God the Father was speaking from heaven, and God the Holy Spirit was in transit through the sky. On Earth, in heaven, in sky (below heaven and above Earth).
@@conradrichard1492 .. you've already failed - no scripture says 'God the Holy Spirit' - the spirit is not a person, it is God's active force and at Jesus' baptism it was symbolised as a dove descending from heaven (it was not in transit through the sky) You appear to be extremely ignorant when it comes to bible knowledge. At his baptism, Jesus was anointed with holy spirit - he then regained full knowledge of his pre-human existence in heaven alongside his Father and became aware of the ministry that he was about to undertake as God's perfect Son. He did not need to be taught at any of the Rabbinical schools, since his knowledge came direct from Almighty God by means of holy spirit. Take note that at Pentecost 33 C.E holy spirit was poured out on Jesus' disciples enabling them to go out and preach the 'gospel' to the nations (gentiles - non-Jews) - a person cannot be poured out, making your misrepresentation total nonsense.
@Chris_Sheridan your hyperbole exacerbates me. Lol. Boy, jump right to my intellectual prowess and your complete knowledge of it with two comments. You should do carnivals with that kind of gift God obviously gave you. But seriously, do you recognize that there is a Triune Godhead?
I think there was a mistake on description because trinity means Equal value or status that Father= Jesus = Holy Spirit. Which is not. Just an example is a tree. Where can you find that the Three is equal to its branch and the Three is equal to its leaves? The best describe to it is... The branch and the leaves are part of the Three and they are in one body. As the begotten son (his wisdom and power) and the Holy spirit is part of God and they are " in one Body". Like our Spirit (as a portion of the breath of God), our Soul and Material Body is "in one Body" that belongs to our creator. Because we created on his image like how he was composed with the "wisdom and power", holy spirit and Spiritual body in the most high heaven Which was also the composition of his begotten Son (his Wisdom and Power) That incarnated into flesh With his wisdom and power, soul and holy material body.
There is no Holy Trinity but there is HOLY ONE. I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city. Hosea 11:9 You cannot compare God to anything. Not in 3 in 1 coffee, not on Solid, Liquid, Gas. ETC. Isaiah 40:18 “To whom then will you liken God? Or what likeness will you compare with Him?” Can you give me the name of the Father? The Son and Holy Spirit? Who is your True Almighty God? The Father, The Son or Holy Spirit? Where in the Bible you can find the word "God The Son". In The Bible you can only find "Son Of God" How can you explain this verse? 1 Timothy 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen. (Who is it referring to?) Jesus died at the age of 33. The Holy Scriptures speak mystery in revealing the real identity of God about who HE IS. But to people whom God had revealed Himself, this mystery is He unfolded to them as well. God's real identity is hidden in Christ, the ROCK of stumbling. Also, the Scriptures tell about this mystery and the revelation of the ONLY ONE TRUE GOD, the LORD JESUS CHRIST. 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up in glory. Anyone wants to know the truth?.. I will explain the Doctrine of The HOLY ONE according to the Bible. ( Holy One Doctrine is not Oneness or Unitarian or Dualism). Job 6:10 Then should I yet have comfort; yea, I would harden myself in sorrow: let him not spare; for I have not concealed the words of the Holy One. Psalm 71:22 I will also praise thee with the psaltery, even thy truth, O my God: unto thee will I sing with the harp, O thou Holy One of Israel. Psalm 89:18-19 For the LORD is our defence; and the Holy One of Israel is our king.Then thou spakest in vision to thy holy one, and saidst, I have laid help upon one that is mighty; I have exalted one chosen out of the people. Isaiah 5:19 and 24 That say, Let him make speed, and hasten his work, that we may see it: and let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw nigh and come, that we may know it! Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel. Isaiah 12:6 Cry out and shout, thou inhabitant of Zion: for great is the Holy One of Israel in the midst of thee. Isaiah 17:7 At that day shall a man look to his Maker, and his eyes shall have respect to the Holy One of Israel. Isaiah 40:25 To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One. Isaiah 43: 3 For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee. Isaiah 43:14 Thus saith the LORD, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; For your sake I have sent to Babylon, and have brought down all their nobles, and the Chaldeans, whose cry is in the ships. Isaiah 43: 15 I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King. Isaiah 47:4 As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Israel. Isaiah 54:5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. Ezekiel 39:7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel. Hab. 1:12 Art thou not from everlasting, O LORD my God, mine Holy One? we shall not die. O LORD, thou hast ordained them for judgment; and, O mighty God, thou hast established them for correction. Acts 13:35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. 1 Jn 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
@@gknight4719 ANY ARGUMENT ABOUT A TRINITY IS NOT NESESSARY, EVERY PERSON ADHERING TO THE TRINITY NEEDS TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND DEAL WITH THE ISSUE OF FORGIVENESS OF SINS, AND WHAT THE BIBLE actualy teaches on this matter, first the LORD CHOSE 12 TO PREACH THE "GOSPEL" TO EVERY CREATURE, NO BIBLE CONTAINS THE SINNERS PRAYER, NOT ONE APOSTLE EVER HAD ANYONE REPEAT ANY SINNERS PRAYER. THE VERY FIRST PREACHING AND ALL CONVERSIONS RECORDED IN THE BIBLE WAS: REPENT, AND BE BAPTIZED, EVERY ONE OF YOU, IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS AND YE SHALL RECIEVE THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST. EVERY AND ANY CLAIMING THE TRINITY CANNOT, AND WILL NOT OBEY ACTS 2;38 AND GOBS OF OTHER SCRIPTURE AS IN ACTS, ROMANS, GALATIANS, EPHESIANS, AND EVEN 1 PETER CHAPTER 3 WHERE BIBLE SCRIPTURE SAYS BAPTISN DOES ALSO NOW SAVE US. THE REAL QUESTION IS THIS: ARE YOU A CHRISTIAN AT ALL IN THE FIRST PLACE? JESUS SAID IN MARK 16;16 THAT UNLESS YOU BELIEVE AND ARE: "BAPTIZED" YOU WILL BE DAMNED, IVE REALIZED WE NEED TO STAY ON THIS BASIC STEP WITH ANY SO CALLED TRINITARIAN, THERE IS NO ANSWER THAT THEY CAN EVER HOPE TO PROVIDE, THE TRINITY IS JUST, AN OURIGHT DEVILS LIE, BECAUSE EVEN DEVILS KNOW GOD IS ONE, BIBLE SCRIPTURE SAYS SO IN JAMES 2;19
, THE BIBLE NEVER SHOWS ANY PERSON REPEATING A SINNERS PRAYER, , , WE CAN LEAVE THE SUBJECT OF THE TRINITY OUT OF IT AND JUST ASK, what MUST I DO TO BE SAVED? THE JAILER IN ACTS 16;23-33 ITS RIGHT THERE IN THE BIBLE TO SEE, PAUL AND SILUS ANSWERED : BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THOU SHALT BE SAVED, BELIEVING ALONE T DOES NOT SAVE, THE NEXT 2 VERSES DEMONSTRATE WHAT SAVING FAITH DOES: AND THEY SPAKE UNTO HIM THE WORD OF THE LORD, AND TO ALL THAT WERE IN HIS HOUSE, AND HE TOOK THEM THE SAME HOUR OF THE NIGHT, AND WASHED THEIR STRIPES, (AND WAS BAPTIZED, ACTS 2;38) HE AND ALL HIS STRAIGHTWAY. WE CAN READ IN THE BIBLE, THAT PAUL NEVER TOLD THE JAILOR THE HE NEEDED TO ACCEPT OR RECIEVE THE LORD AS A PERSONAL SAVIOR, HE NEVER HAD HIM REPEAT THE SINNERS PRAYER FOUND IN EVERY TRINITARIAN CHICK PUBLICATIANS TRACT. ACTS 2;38 DOESNT ONLY APPEAR IN ACTS 2;38 ITS ALL OVER , EVERY PERSON CONVERTED AND WHO BECAME A "CHRISTIAN"ACTS 11;26 WAS BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST , IN ACTS 22;16 PAUL RECOUNTS HIS OWN CONVERSION ACCORDING TO ACTS 2;38 IN HIS OWN WORDS; ROMANS 6;1-6 EPHESIANS 4;3-6 BUT, THAT SAID, HOW MANY FOLKS CLAIMING THE TRINITY WILL ACTUALY OPEN THE BIBLE AND READ THIS FOR THEMSELVES? NOT MANY, A VAST MAJORITY ARE FABRICATING A COMEBACK INSTEAD, NOT REALIZING ITS GODS WORD, AND THEREFORE GOD HIMSELF THEY ARE FIGHTING, WILL YOU DEAR READER BE BOLD ENOUPH TO CHECK UP ON THIS AND SEE IF IT IS SO? GOOGLE EVERY BAPTIZM IN THE BIBLE NOBODY IS EVER BAPTIZED IN 3 ANYTHING AS IN MATHEW 28;19 AM I AGAINST 28;19? NO! JESUS IS THE FATHER ISAIAH 9;6 HE IS THE SON, ISAIAH 9;6 HE IS "THE MIGHTY GOD" ISAIAH 9;6 FATHER SON AND HOLY GHOST ARE TITLES, NOT NAMES AND MATHEW 28;19 READS BAPTIZING THEM IN THE NAME (SINGULAR) JAMES 2;19 SAYS THOU BELIEVEST THERE IS ONE GOD, THOU DOEST WELL, THE DEVILS ALSO BELIEVE, AND TREMBLE ROMANS 6;1-6 PROVES THE ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT IS WRITTEN TO AND FOR THOSE WHO HAVE (PST TENSE) ALREADY BEEN BAPTIZED, UNDER 2 OR 3 WITNESESS, EVERY WORD SHALL BE ESTABLISHED, GALATIANS 3;26-27 READ THUS:FOR YOU ARE ALL THE CHILDREN OF GOD BY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST. IS IT ONLY BY THAT FAITH? NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. THE VERY NEXT VERSE READS:FOR AS MANY OF YOU AS HAVE BEEN (PAST TENSE) BAPTIZED (PST TENSE) INTO CHRIST HAVE PUT ON CHRIST. I REPEAT THE ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT (THATS AFTER THE RESURECTION) IS WRITTEN SPECIFICLY AND DIRECTLY TO THOSE, ONLY THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN BAPTIZED AS IN ACTS 2;38 HOW MUCH OF ME, MYSELF HAVE I JUST POSTED? OR DID I NOT PRESENT ONLY BIBLE SCRIPTURE? IN CONCLUSION, I MENTIONED THAT FATHER SON AND HOLY GHOST ARE TITLES NOT NAMES THATS WHY, SHOCKER, YOU WONT FIND THE APOSTLES TO WHOM MAT 28;19 WAS BEING SPOKEN TO BY JESUS EVER, AND NEVER BAPTIZED ANYONE IN 3 ANYTHING , DO THE APOSTLES SOUND LIKE TRINITARIANS TO YOU? WERE THEY BAFOONS WHO DISOBEYED GOD, WHO IS JESUS, AND POOR OL GOD WAS JUST HELPLESS TO STOP ALL THIS? PICTURE IT: OH NO YOU STUPID APOSTLES! WHY ARENT YOU TEACHING THEM THE SINNERS PRAYER? AND YOU FORGOT TO TELL THEM IM ONLY A SECOND PERSON IN A TRINITY! (... CRICKETS CHIRPING)
YES THAT IS CORRECT NOTHING CHRISTIAN ABOUT A SO CALLED TRINITY PEOPLE WHO CLAIM THE TRINITY WILL FIGHT AGAINST ALL BIBLE SCRIPTURE YOU PRESENT, THEY ARE AGAINST THE TRUTH OF GOS WORD
@@Chris_Sheridan there must be a misunderstanding i keep saying exactly that, the bible contains nothing about any trinity, perhaps u confused me with someone elses post?
God gave me a vision for an explanation. Im an electrician so I guess He used this to show me. He showed me an electrical bridge plug with 3 plug points that we use in our homes. In the vision, I simply saw myself holding this plug. I understood that God was using this to give me an understanding of the trinity to explain to other people. A 3 bridge plug gets plugged to the wall socket and receives power from a single plug-in point. Each of the 3 bridges will make a lamp shine equally bright no matter which point you plug it into. If you plug 3 similar lamps into all three plug-in points, they will all shine equally bright. Each plug-in point is equally a distribution of power no matter which one is used. The one plug-in point that is on the bridge plug represents the ONE nature of God while the 3 sockets represent the 3 manners in which we experience God as Father, Son and Spirit, each one equally able to distribute the same power. This was a simple yet profound explanation for me. Just gotta love the Lord.
Raised Catholic, but nowadays I don't believe in anything of this kind, however I made a smile when the 3 circles were mentioned because in my mind it was my construction too, when it was being said that it wasn't any of the previous illustrations, but I added a lit something, and even that was showed in the video, which was they combining, moving, inwards, for that overlapping... Ahahaha! For those who believe, or simply those that want to have the philosophical discussion, good video!
At the triple point (given temp and pressure) H2O exists as all three simulatenously! That’s not modalism. Modalism is water existing as water at one time, ice at another and vapor at another. The truth and reality is that a finite creature cannot “understand” what’s infinite. What we know about God is what He revealed about Himself.
Sincere question: how can the pillar of distinction be justified in light of scriptures such as John 14:15-18, for instance? Jesus says (paraphrasing) I will pray to the Father, and he shall send another Comforter, the Spirit of truth. Then in verse 18, Jesus says, I will not leave you comfortless, I (emphasis on Jesus) will come to you. This implies that Jesus, the Son, is also the Comforter, the Spirit. There are many more verses in the Bible where the Scutum Fidei cannot hold up regarding “the Son is not the Father,” and so on. This is just one example. Thoughts?
Amen you got it ! Colossians 2:9 in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily . Jesus is God wrapped in flesh . There’s no such thing as 3 persons , 3 gods. Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 ¶ Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? John 14:8 Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear O Israel the Lord our God is One Lord 🙏
Jesus is really speaking to you . Flesh and blood did not reveal it to you 🙏 Look for an apostolic Pentecostal church , you will not regret it . just wait until God fills you with His Holy Spirit !! ( not that ‘accepting Jesus in my heart ‘ doctrine ) but a full experience straight from the book of Acts !
@@honeybunny5456Yes! Exactly this. Also, Mary conceived of the Holy Spirit. If that’s the case, then who is the Father of Jesus? The Holy Spirit? This whole “pillar of distinction” stuff is ridiculous. The answer is and always has been very simple. As Colossians 1:15 states, “The Son is the image of the invisible God…” Jesus is God in flesh. No distinction in person. There’s the spirit of God (who we are to worship in spirit and in truth) and then God gives Himself a way to interact with humanity. Just as we have a body that gives us access to this world, so God wrapped Himself in flesh to dwell among us. Jesus was not God’s whipping boy, sent to do His dirty work. God Himself came and paid the ultimate sacrifice for our sin. Not only is this clear, and simple, but it’s a much more powerful illustration of God’s love for us. He redeemed us Himself. Funny that the church tends to consider this view “heresy”, as the traditional view of the “trinity” sure sounds like “idolatry” to me. 😅
I have a question about your Trinity. In the Trinity, first person father second person son third person Holy Ghost, which one was the father to Jesus Christ?
Awesome illustration. I do have a question, though, as a Christian that I can't seem to find the answer to. In the Bible, it says that ONLY God the father knows the exact time of the second coming of Christ? Not Jesus nor the Holy Spirit but only God the father. Am i missing something ? Can you please explain this ? Thank you.
Re the water analogy for the Holy Trinity, water CAN in fact exist in all three phases simultaneously at particular temperature and pressure, this occurs at the TRIPLE POINT of water.
I was going to at least mention this. But if Dr. Ware is aware of it (you'd think he would be since Dr. Walter Martin used it quite often), he probably decided it would take too much time to explain why he didn't think it was a good analogy. It fails, because it is impossible for any particular water molecule (let alone a group of them) to 'simultaneously' be all three phases! You can find different ones in different phases in the container, but it's impossible for any given _unit_ of water to be all three at the same time! In reality, it's an analogy for "Modalism"; that water can be 3 phases, but not all 3 at the same time... or perhaps "partialism," where the water is divided up into 3 different phases.
, THE BIBLE NEVER SHOWS ANY PERSON REPEATING A SINNERS PRAYER, , , WE CAN LEAVE THE SUBJECT OF THE TRINITY OUT OF IT AND JUST ASK, what MUST I DO TO BE SAVED? THE JAILER IN ACTS 16;23-33 ITS RIGHT THERE IN THE BIBLE TO SEE, PAUL AND SILUS ANSWERED : BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THOU SHALT BE SAVED, BELIEVING ALONE T DOES NOT SAVE, THE NEXT 2 VERSES DEMONSTRATE WHAT SAVING FAITH DOES: AND THEY SPAKE UNTO HIM THE WORD OF THE LORD, AND TO ALL THAT WERE IN HIS HOUSE, AND HE TOOK THEM THE SAME HOUR OF THE NIGHT, AND WASHED THEIR STRIPES, (AND WAS BAPTIZED, ACTS 2;38) HE AND ALL HIS STRAIGHTWAY. WE CAN READ IN THE BIBLE, THAT PAUL NEVER TOLD THE JAILOR THE HE NEEDED TO ACCEPT OR RECIEVE THE LORD AS A PERSONAL SAVIOR, HE NEVER HAD HIM REPEAT THE SINNERS PRAYER FOUND IN EVERY TRINITARIAN CHICK PUBLICATIANS TRACT. ACTS 2;38 DOESNT ONLY APPEAR IN ACTS 2;38 ITS ALL OVER , EVERY PERSON CONVERTED AND WHO BECAME A "CHRISTIAN"ACTS 11;26 WAS BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST , IN ACTS 22;16 PAUL RECOUNTS HIS OWN CONVERSION ACCORDING TO ACTS 2;38 IN HIS OWN WORDS; ROMANS 6;1-6 EPHESIANS 4;3-6 BUT, THAT SAID, HOW MANY FOLKS CLAIMING THE TRINITY WILL ACTUALY OPEN THE BIBLE AND READ THIS FOR THEMSELVES? NOT MANY, A VAST MAJORITY ARE FABRICATING A COMEBACK INSTEAD, NOT REALIZING ITS GODS WORD, AND THEREFORE GOD HIMSELF THEY ARE FIGHTING, WILL YOU DEAR READER BE BOLD ENOUPH TO CHECK UP ON THIS AND SEE IF IT IS SO? GOOGLE EVERY BAPTIZM IN THE BIBLE NOBODY IS EVER BAPTIZED IN 3 ANYTHING AS IN MATHEW 28;19 AM I AGAINST 28;19? NO! JESUS IS THE FATHER ISAIAH 9;6 HE IS THE SON, ISAIAH 9;6 HE IS "THE MIGHTY GOD" ISAIAH 9;6 FATHER SON AND HOLY GHOST ARE TITLES, NOT NAMES AND MATHEW 28;19 READS BAPTIZING THEM IN THE NAME (SINGULAR) JAMES 2;19 SAYS THOU BELIEVEST THERE IS ONE GOD, THOU DOEST WELL, THE DEVILS ALSO BELIEVE, AND TREMBLE ROMANS 6;1-6 PROVES THE ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT IS WRITTEN TO AND FOR THOSE WHO HAVE (PST TENSE) ALREADY BEEN BAPTIZED, UNDER 2 OR 3 WITNESESS, EVERY WORD SHALL BE ESTABLISHED, GALATIANS 3;26-27 READ THUS:FOR YOU ARE ALL THE CHILDREN OF GOD BY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST. IS IT ONLY BY THAT FAITH? NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. THE VERY NEXT VERSE READS:FOR AS MANY OF YOU AS HAVE BEEN (PAST TENSE) BAPTIZED (PST TENSE) INTO CHRIST HAVE PUT ON CHRIST. I REPEAT THE ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT (THATS AFTER THE RESURECTION) IS WRITTEN SPECIFICLY AND DIRECTLY TO THOSE, ONLY THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN BAPTIZED AS IN ACTS 2;38 HOW MUCH OF ME, MYSELF HAVE I JUST POSTED? OR DID I NOT PRESENT ONLY BIBLE SCRIPTURE? IN CONCLUSION, I MENTIONED THAT FATHER SON AND HOLY GHOST ARE TITLES NOT NAMES THATS WHY, SHOCKER, YOU WONT FIND THE APOSTLES TO WHOM MAT 28;19 WAS BEING SPOKEN TO BY JESUS EVER, AND NEVER BAPTIZED ANYONE IN 3 ANYTHING , DO THE APOSTLES SOUND LIKE TRINITARIANS TO YOU? WERE THEY BAFOONS WHO DISOBEYED GOD, WHO IS JESUS, AND POOR OL GOD WAS JUST HELPLESS TO STOP ALL THIS? PICTURE IT: OH NO YOU STUPID APOSTLES! WHY ARENT YOU TEACHING THEM THE SINNERS PRAYER? AND YOU FORGOT TO TELL THEM IM ONLY A SECOND PERSON IN A TRINITY! (... CRICKETS CHIRPING)
God does not go through three different states. The Persons of the Holy Trinity coexist; the different forms water may take cannot. Water cannot be ice, liquid, and steam at the same time. It may be between two stages, such as when ice is melting, or at the triple point of water but this isn't coexisting, it's transforming.
@@rlhicks1 Correct! Appealing as the analogy is, as I replied above: "It fails, because it is impossible for any particular water molecule (let alone a group of them) to 'simultaneously' be all three phases! "
I get all this but what I struggle to understand is how Jesus’ portrayed “the father” as someone he seems to adheres or listens to.. so I am not sure is he saying it to “teach” us mortals how we ought to behave or approach “the Father”. Here’s an example, Jon.12:49 “For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment-what to say and what to speak.” Here the way I see it, seems like the Father is the mind or planner and the Son is like the executive branch carrying out (action part) of that plan. Another one: Mk. 13:32 “But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” - again, the mind part of the master planner undisclosed (partly) even to Jesus. So I am not sure how to see it correctly, if Jesus said that given the context of that moment (half mortal half god..thus some heavenly connection signal loss.. a bit) or He is really saying it literally that despite He is part of God head, there’s a system on how they operate and that information is not made available yet by the Father to Jesus and any heavenly members. So in all these example and other similar scripture passages, it shaped my mind that the Father is like a … “The Father!“😅 like the big boss in the family. I’m a bit both scared or respectful of my own dad so this is my nearest quickest way to latch my brain to this idea that’s why honestly I am quite fearful of the Father’s enigmatic persona.. that scares me. So I am praying a lot to Jesus, more accessible like big brother we can relate to and would be my friend to protect & spare me from the Father’s wrath one day. Jesus said it: “Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.” 😬 😅
Correct me if I’m wrong but I think the trinity is like the 3d plane, the 3d plain is one but it is 3 distinct planes, if you separate one from the others it is still a complete plane by itself, it’s not perfect but I’m not sure if I’m committing heresy or not.
@Trey-x6f My friend, you are wrong. You are still trying to build upon a foundation of falsehood. The trinity doctrine was a separate foundation layed on the fourth century. They did not build upon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets (Ephesians 2:20). This is why we are having these endless debates. The trinity is Satan's masterpiece when it comes to the twisting of God's Word. The Lord forewarned that many would come in His name saying, I am Christ, and would DECEIVE MANY. We did not hear that, and many other scriptures, that's why we are confused. God is not the author of confusion. The gospel is very simple. We are forbidden to add or subtract from the Word, but isn't that what men do at Satan's bidding. The Bible progressively reveals God from the first instance when we saw Him in action as Spirit and Word in Genesis 1:1-3. God never changed. There is no change in God, He remains the same. He is One God, who is a Spirit (John 4:24). On the pages of the scriptures, it was the Spirit [Father] who sent the Word as Son into the physical realm, where He would have to have a body to be legal in earth realm. Spirits are not allto operate in earth realm without a body. That is why demons try to possess humans to afford them legally. God is not three. The Word and the Spirit cannot be separated. Jesus is the Word of God. Anyone who teaches otherwise is a heretic. Please note that the Word went back to the SENDER. Read the Bible and stop listening to foolish men.
There is no Holy Trinity but there is HOLY ONE. I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city. Hosea 11:9 You cannot compare God to anything. Not in 3 in 1 coffee, not on Solid, Liquid, Gas. ETC. Isaiah 40:18 “To whom then will you liken God? Or what likeness will you compare with Him?” Can you give me the name of the Father? The Son and Holy Spirit? Who is your True Almighty God? The Father, The Son or Holy Spirit? Where in the Bible you can find the word "God The Son". In The Bible you can only find "Son Of God" How can you explain this verse? 1 Timothy 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen. (Who is it referring to?) Jesus died at the age of 33. The Holy Scriptures speak mystery in revealing the real identity of God about who HE IS. But to people whom God had revealed Himself, this mystery is He unfolded to them as well. God's real identity is hidden in Christ, the ROCK of stumbling. Also, the Scriptures tell about this mystery and the revelation of the ONLY ONE TRUE GOD, the LORD JESUS CHRIST. 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up in glory. Anyone wants to know the truth?.. I will explain the Doctrine of The HOLY ONE according to the Bible. ( Holy One Doctrine is not Oneness or Unitarian or Dualism). Job 6:10 Then should I yet have comfort; yea, I would harden myself in sorrow: let him not spare; for I have not concealed the words of the Holy One. Psalm 71:22 I will also praise thee with the psaltery, even thy truth, O my God: unto thee will I sing with the harp, O thou Holy One of Israel. Psalm 89:18-19 For the LORD is our defence; and the Holy One of Israel is our king.Then thou spakest in vision to thy holy one, and saidst, I have laid help upon one that is mighty; I have exalted one chosen out of the people. Isaiah 5:19 and 24 That say, Let him make speed, and hasten his work, that we may see it: and let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw nigh and come, that we may know it! Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel. Isaiah 12:6 Cry out and shout, thou inhabitant of Zion: for great is the Holy One of Israel in the midst of thee. Isaiah 17:7 At that day shall a man look to his Maker, and his eyes shall have respect to the Holy One of Israel. Isaiah 40:25 To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One. Isaiah 43: 3 For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee. Isaiah 43:14 Thus saith the LORD, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; For your sake I have sent to Babylon, and have brought down all their nobles, and the Chaldeans, whose cry is in the ships. Isaiah 43: 15 I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King. Isaiah 47:4 As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Israel. Isaiah 54:5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. Ezekiel 39:7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel. Hab. 1:12 Art thou not from everlasting, O LORD my God, mine Holy One? we shall not die. O LORD, thou hast ordained them for judgment; and, O mighty God, thou hast established them for correction. Acts 13:35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. 1 Jn 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
I want to tell you the fascinating story about when the Trinity verse was added to the Bible. This is a well-documented fact, detailed in "Whose Word Is It?: The Story Behind Who Changed the New Testament and Why" by Professor Bart Ehrman, an expert in biblical textual criticism. In the 16th century, Erasmus, a Dutch scholar, produced the first printed edition of the Greek New Testament. The New Testament was originally written in Greek, but had been translated into Latin over the centuries. Erasmus aimed to create a critical scholarly edition based on Greek texts, relying mainly on late medieval manuscripts from the 12th century. Erasmus’s edition of the Greek New Testament was later used by the translators of the King James Bible and other versions until the end of the 19th century. However, the Greek manuscripts Erasmus used were not of high quality and were produced about eleven hundred years after the originals. For example, his main manuscript for the gospels included the story of the woman taken in adultery and the last verses of Mark, which were not part of the original gospels. One key passage missing from Erasmus’s manuscripts was 1 John 5:7-8, known as the Johannine Comma, which explicitly supports the doctrine of the Trinity. This passage is found in Latin Vulgate manuscripts but not in the majority of Greek manuscripts. The King James Version includes this verse: "For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one." Bart Ehrman notes, "The Greek manuscripts that Erasmus used were not of the best quality... produced some eleven hundred years after the originals." Erasmus did not find this verse in any Greek manuscripts he consulted, so he omitted it from his first edition. This omission outraged theologians of his time, who accused him of tampering with the text. Erasmus reportedly agreed to include the verse in future editions if a Greek manuscript containing it could be produced. Consequently, a Greek manuscript was created in the 16th century, likely by translating the Latin text into Greek. Despite his reservations, Erasmus included the verse in subsequent editions. These editions formed the basis for the King James Bible and other translations for centuries. The phrase "Textus Receptus" refers to this widely accepted form of the Greek text, despite its reliance on inferior manuscripts. Modern textual scholars now insist on using older and better manuscripts to base the Greek New Testament on scientific principles. The Textus Receptus, though still revered by some fundamentalists, is based on late medieval manuscripts, whereas earlier manuscripts, such as the Codex Sinaiticus, do not contain the Johannine Comma or other later additions. Ehrman explains, "This passage... states the doctrine directly and succinctly," but it "was not in Erasmus's primary manuscript or in any of the others that he consulted." This realization challenges the solid basis for the Trinity doctrine in the Bible, making it difficult for some Christians to accept.
Interesting explanations. With regards to H2O, you have, of course, the trifold point of water where all three phases exist together. In this case, they all exist together but they are not the same.
I'm still trying to k ow how to explain it to my daughter but I've crudely said it like bread: water, yeast, and flour. Three parts are distinct, but without one ingredient, bread can't be made.
Though I've often tried to understand the Trinity through analogies, I think that visual diagram is much more effective and accurate than all of the various analogies people try to come up with.
Thanks for the teaching, very informative! Not to fight or cause arguments, but for learning purposes I would like to ask: When we get to heaven, who will we find on the Throne? The Father or The Son or The Spirit or One of them representing all 3 or all 3 on the same Throne or 3 Thrones?
try to remember : the Devil twisted god's word and influenced 2 perfect human being to turn their back on God if you believe in the trinity you dont know the holy scriptures
It is possible to have water that exists simultaneously in 3 different phases: solid, liquid, and gas at the same time under a condition which they called the Triple Point of Water.
Acts 2:22 how do you fit that into the Trinity how do you fit Romans 10: 9 and 10 into the Trinity how do you fit John 17 into the trinity how do you fit John 14 into the Trinity
This may be the best video on the trinity I've seen. It does seem however that the word ‘God’ used in the illustration (The Father not The Son not The Spirit etc) equates the word God with ‘divine nature’ Obviously this is an effort to understand God so he aught not fit into human comprehension However it is interesting to compare these ideas to the testimony of scripture
would a fractal structure be an apt analogy where each part is identical to the whole yet distinct? Instead of just a triangle a serpenski triangle where each part is identical to the whole? The only problem is scale meaning that while there is a unity in shape they are not the same size as the original triangle. But like the overlapping circles each triangle can perfectly be overlapped with each other. The trinity is present throughout the old testament in genesis, exodus, proverbs and psalms and sorta in the book of wisdom of solomon. But the Trinity is the most realistic description of God that exist because it is beyong our full comprehension and any god that can be fully understood by a human mind is a god created by a human mind. That which can not be fully grasped by the human mind is from beyond the human mind.
It is still inadequate but water does have a “triple point” a temperature and pressure at which liquid water, ice and water vapor all exist simultaneously.
What about three sets of clones at different ages as in the film series foundation. Each person is the exact same but each is separate and at different ages.
Aha! I was hoping you were going to take it one step further. If you mix red, green, and blue what do you get, white. They are all distinctly different but make up something unique when seen together in their unity.
Great video, and thanks for sharing. 1.Could we also use the analogy of the Sun - that is, the entity itself (the solar disc, if you will) and the heat and the light that emanates from it ? Each is distinct, yet one in nature; and 2.Whilst it holds true absolutely, that the Father is not the Son (repeat for each Person of the Holy Trinity), however, the Father is God, the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God, then is true to say that God is not the Son, not the Father, not the Holy Spirit, otherwise we would then have three Gods? Many thanks.
@sethsuleiman4419 Lol. These concepts are deeply mysterious, and the Lord has given us to understand what He has revealed to us at this time. Hopefully, it's a light bulb moment for you.
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As a student of physics, I learned that light has three principal parts. The luminiferous (the light you see) the calorific (heat you feel) and the actinic (the molecular effect on film). Any analogy is imperfect but I think light itself (Jesus said I am the way the truth and the light) is one of the best.
This is still partialism. Saying each of these is a part takes us back to his triangle analogy. One side doesn’t contain triangleness.
Jesus is talking about Two things not three. He said I'm The Way: The truth and the life. ( The Spirit and the word of God) The Father and the Son
Life not light in John 14:6. But in John 1 it does say the the light came into the world referring to Jesus.
@@E.Carrillo Right, good catch.
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What a beautiful thing to hear...Hello brother from the U.S.
May Heaven's blessings be forever upon you and your loved ones. Hi from Durban in South Africa
God bless you and your family!
May God bless you brother and your family. May our Lord Jesus Christ continue to lead you so as to follow Him and to bring many lost to saving faith in Jesus Christ.
By the way, I'm also from India ( Tamil Nadu).
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After viewing this video, and reading many comments below I conclude this. First let me say I am a simple man. I have education beyond high school. I find great joy and wonder learning about God, and the many wonders of the Bible and such. I am often reminded that I am a finite being trying so hard to understand and grasp an infinte God. I strongly beleive that God honrs my honest efforts to know and understand Him. I enjoy hearing the insights of others. I ponder them, look at scripture, and pray. Thank you all for your thoughts. Let us eagerly search the scriptures, talk amongst ourselves, but always remember to ask for the Holy Spirit to lead us into all truth. Let us pray for our faith to grow in Christ, for the salvation of friends and family, and for our nation.
Stay the course...fight the good fight. Keep our eyes in Jesus. God richly bless you all.
People who search for the truth find it.
Ask any JW.
@@jimjuri6490I truly hope you are being sarcastic. JW’s refuse to “see” any truth, at all. They are forbidden from looking, listening, or seeing anything but the lies their false scriptures teach them.
@@jimjuri6490Does JW believe in miracles being done in the name of Jesus even today?
@@thesavior6291 : Note Jesus' words to those who use his name to do miracles.
(Matthew 7:22) Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’
What will be Jesus' response?
(Matthew 7:23) And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’
Obviously miracles using Jesus' name are not done with God's power.
God's Will in these last days is that this good news about the Kingdom be preached worldwide. Matthew 24:14.
Only JWs are involved in it.
Amen
I don't think we can ever produce an analogy of the Trinity that is 100% accurate; for a start our finite minds cannot comprehend such a mind-blowing concept. As a Pastor the analogy I often use is one given to me many years ago by another Pastor who has now gone on to be with the Lord. The analogy says this; as we were originally made in God's image, to 'understand' the Trinity we should look at our self. We are made up of three separate parts, body, soul and spirit. Our body is not our soul or spirit; our soul is not our body or spirit; our spirit is not our body or soul. Each has its own function yet they are all part of me - one person - and if one were missing I would cease to exist. In some ways I see what one might call the 'created form of God' in a human being, namely our soul represents God the Father (The centre of all that is); our body represents the Son (God made flesh) and our spirit represents the Holy Spirit (God the Spirit). This is an analogy of course so should not to be taken literally! Of course like all the others this analogy is not perfect but I think it's a good one.
Jesus' prayer to his God Jehovah will be of help.
(John 17:3) This means everlasting life, their coming to know YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and the one whom YOU SENT, Jesus Christ.
If God cannot be known then Jesus made a false promise.
Get to know who God is. AND get to know who Jesus is. That will pave the way for salvation.
Analogies is for what purpose?
A good analogy, but I don’t think we talk about the 3-person Trinity as having separate “parts.”
That makes sooooooo much since. Wow!
There's no Holy spirit in the bible, because the term contains an article.
The correct translation is Spirit of the Holy. Only this translation error already nullifies the trinity.
@@jimjuri6490also Revelation speaks about it.
"Who perseveres I'll write the name of my God and my new name".
If God has another, so, by logic, He is not the Almighty.
This is what trinitarians don't understand.
I think one of the biggest problems is that people do not understand the nature of analogies. No single analogy can fully describe ANYTHING - never mind the Trinity. We use analogies everyday ... e.g. we may describe a ruby as being "blood red". In this we are using blood to describe the ruby - but, it must be noted that we are only analogising ONE aspect of the ruby; its colour. The describe the size of the ruby, one would have to use a different analogy - a pea, a pigeon egg, a sparrow egg, or whatever. And one could continue using a different object to convey an appropraiate characteristic of the ruby.
And, I think, that when we as Christians use analogies to describe the Trinity, we fall into the trap of trying to find ONE analogy that will explain every aspect of the Trinity - which of course is impossible.
I believe that analogies are useful. Jesus, when communicating spiritual truths, always used analogies (parables, metaphors, etc); He never used logic. And He used many different parables - each parable communicating a different truth. NO ONE parable could communicate ALL spiritual truth.
That's a lot of bother for a false doctrine.
I hear you, and there's an element of truth to that, but at the same time even if you use an analogy to describe only part of the truth, your analogy is still flawed if it better describes error than it does truth, with respect to the part of the truth you are trying to explain.
This is why the circles are a good analogy (they accurately communicate both the simultaneous oneness and distinctness of Father Son and Spirit, even though it fails to capture the personal element of the divine nature, that is not a problem because it is a related but secondary consideration).
This is why both the water and 3 humans analogies don't work. Water is not simultaneously one and three, it is consecutively one and three. Humans are not one in the same sense as God is one, even though they too are personal. Hence these better describe the various misunderstandings of the trinity, which is exactly what you want to exclude by using the analogy to explain the trinity in the first place.
@@truthmatters7573 An Old Testament prophet described so-called intellectuals today as " ever learning and never able to come to a knowledge of the truth". That's a good description of what's happening here. The Trinity is a false doctrine made up by the Catholic Church, and retained by reformist Protestants.
@truthmatters7573 Sorry, the circle analogy is as bad as any other. It doesn't capture the Oneness at all because the nature of each circle includes its color and position of its centre. Even if you make the circles all the same color, they would still fail to share the same nature because they will have different centres!
@@mathewsamuel1386 Did you and I watch the same video? He clearly said 3 perfectly overlapping circles. That means they have the exact same center and the exact same radius. They are identical in space, but different in expression.
What makes the analogy work is that the circles are identical in one way (center point and radius) but distinct in another way (border color) and all three exist simultaneously exhibiting these properties. Mathematically border color is not even part of the definition of a circle only radius and center point are, therefore these 3 circles are mathematically identical, not just equal or similar. These three circles exist independently and simultaneously as distinct identical circles.
Now no analogy is perfect, and the shortcoming here is that we are talking about an abstract object instead of a person, but other than that it does not lead you to an erroneous understanding of the way in which God is one and the way in which God is three.
If we wanted to create a creed for this analogy we could say that this analogy neither divides the space nor confounds the circles.
Thank you for this. As I am a true Christian. My husband was a JW for over 26 years. He left about 5 years ago but still believes Jesus Christ was created. I am almost done reading the Bible for the first time, and instantly I understood God’s word regarding the Triune God. The Father, the Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. It’s difficult for him to grasp this, as he’s studied the Bible for over 26 years. I’ve had to stop debating with him and just pray over his heart and his mind. Thank you again for this video ❤
I'm sorry but trinity is a man made doctrine.
True Christians have never believed the Roman Catholic Trinity. Sorry!
Here is what True Christians believe as stated by Paul.
(1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually TO US one God, the Father,
Others can and are free to believe whatever they prefer.
Ask the hubby for help. He may no longer be an active JW, but once people learn the TRUTH, they cannot unlearn it.
Ever since I heard Adrian ROgers say, "GOD the Father, GOD the Son, and GOD the Holy Spirit," I use that formula instead of "Trinity." I find it ever so more fruitful.
we dont come into our home through the window, we use a door, cant drive until we insert the key. the question is, not what do i believe, but what does the bible say on the matter? a good way to escape being dooped is by always syarting our conversation with, "the bible says"- for instance: "the bible says in galatians 3;226 and 27-"for you are all the children of GOD by faith in JESUS CHRIST, IF I NOW SAY, SEE?ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS BELIEVE, BUT PUT IN CORRECT CONTEXT THE NEXT VERSE GALATIANS 3;27 SAYS"FOR AS MANY OF YOU AS HAVE BEEN BAPTIZED INTO CHRIST HAVE PUT ON CHRIST. NOW, IT SAYS A WHOLE DIFFERENT THING. WHAT BAPTIZM IS IT TALKING ABOUT? "THE BIBLE SAYS" IN ACTS 2;38- REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED, EVERYONE OF YOU, IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS, AND YE SHALL RECIEVE THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST. THE VERY NEXT VERSE PUTS 2;38 IN CONTEXT AND PROVES EVERYONE MUST DO THIS TO OBTAIN FORGIVENESS OF SINS AND RECIEVE THE HOLY GHOST. ACTS 2;39-N FOR THE PROMISE IS UNTO YOU, AND TO YOUR CHILDREN, AND TO ALL WHO ARE AFAR OFF, EVEN AS MANY AS THE LORD OUR GOD SHALL CALL. NEXT QUESTION DOES MY SALVATION DEPEND ON THIS? "THE BIBLE SAYS" IN MARK 16;16-HE THAT BELIEVETH AND IS BAPTIZED SHALL BE SAVED, BUT HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT SHALL BE DAMNED. SO WE CAN SEE THAT, YES BAPTIZM IS A SALAVATION ISSUE. LAST "THE BIBLE DOES NOT SAY" ANYTHING ABOUT ANY SINNERS PRAYER.
Note: The term God the Father is scriptural. The other two aren't.
(1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father,
This is what True Christians believe.
@@jimjuri6490It's never helpful when you characterize someone with whom you have a mimor disagreement a "fake Christian." What he said is true amd NOT "unscriptural."
@@hurdygurdyman1905 : Please read what I wrote. I was quoting what Paul wrote.
When he said "TO US" he meant True Christians. Because he contrasts it with what others believe. Logically, anyone who believes anything else, such as Jesus is also God, is a fake Christian. This is what Jesus will say to such ones soon.
(Matthew 7:23) And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’
The above are scriptural.
God the son and God the holy spirit were made up terms by the Roman Church.
Not found anywhere in the Bible.
I was helping with what the Bible teaches.
@@jimjuri6490 I did read what you wrote. You misunderstand the Scriptures yourself, and then use that lack of understanding as a stick to beat others. The Scriptures clearly present Jesus as God. That the exact phrase "God the Son" doesn't appear in the original Greek is irrelevant.
Probably the best, concise explanation of a very complicated, misunderstood theological doctrine! Thx!
What if tritheism is modified in this way: human beings have distinct natures, but God being (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) has a common nature (omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent)? This accounts for the Godhead existing individually and jointly at the same time. This is how I understand the Trinity, and it is kind of similar to the last analogy.
It’s a weird claim to say that human persons have distinct human natures when the one who came out with that analogy clearly said they all share one and the same nature. I’m not saying this about you but the guy in the video.
That is another foolish analogy, especially because the Holy Spirit is the _power_ that allows the Father and Son to be all-knowing, all-powerful, and see everything. That's what Gabriel said it is in Luk. 1:35: the _power_ of God. It is how the Father and Son are able to execute Their will. That is what was hovering over the waters in Gen. 1: God's _power_ . It was NOT, and is NOT, a separate God. Nor is it a separate self that exists inside God. It is _power_ !
@@UnlistedLogos yes, it's weird. Maybe it's just an issue of semantics.
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Mankind does not have a distinct nature. We all share the same nature/being of mankind. Each one of us has the same amount of organs, limbs, and digits. Yet we are seperate persons.
A rope is composed of three strands. If one unravels it a little, one will see the three strands that remain a single rope composed of three strands. The three strands are similar, but not the same, they are individual strands forming a rope.
@Jax-zr9fu, It matters not what analogy you use because He is not three persons in One God. Can you not understand the work of the crooked serpent? The work of Jesus in earth was to show us the only True God. Was all of Jesus's work in vain?
I have used the analogy of a person having a body, soul and spirit and that has helped to understand the Trinity.
I guess it isn't an accurate analogy but did help some people to understand.
, THE BIBLE NEVER SHOWS ANY PERSON REPEATING A SINNERS PRAYER, , , WE CAN LEAVE THE SUBJECT OF THE TRINITY OUT OF IT AND JUST ASK, what MUST I DO TO BE SAVED? THE JAILER IN ACTS 16;23-33 ITS RIGHT THERE IN THE BIBLE TO SEE, PAUL AND SILUS ANSWERED : BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THOU SHALT BE SAVED, BELIEVING ALONE T DOES NOT SAVE, THE NEXT 2 VERSES DEMONSTRATE WHAT SAVING FAITH DOES: AND THEY SPAKE UNTO HIM THE WORD OF THE LORD, AND TO ALL THAT WERE IN HIS HOUSE, AND HE TOOK THEM THE SAME HOUR OF THE NIGHT, AND WASHED THEIR STRIPES, (AND WAS BAPTIZED, ACTS 2;38) HE AND ALL HIS STRAIGHTWAY. WE CAN READ IN THE BIBLE, THAT PAUL NEVER TOLD THE JAILOR THE HE NEEDED TO ACCEPT OR RECIEVE THE LORD AS A PERSONAL SAVIOR, HE NEVER HAD HIM REPEAT THE SINNERS PRAYER FOUND IN EVERY TRINITARIAN CHICK PUBLICATIANS TRACT. ACTS 2;38 DOESNT ONLY APPEAR IN ACTS 2;38 ITS ALL OVER , EVERY PERSON CONVERTED AND WHO BECAME A "CHRISTIAN"ACTS 11;26 WAS BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST , IN ACTS 22;16 PAUL RECOUNTS HIS OWN CONVERSION ACCORDING TO ACTS 2;38 IN HIS OWN WORDS; ROMANS 6;1-6 EPHESIANS 4;3-6 BUT, THAT SAID, HOW MANY FOLKS CLAIMING THE TRINITY WILL ACTUALY OPEN THE BIBLE AND READ THIS FOR THEMSELVES? NOT MANY, A VAST MAJORITY ARE FABRICATING A COMEBACK INSTEAD, NOT REALIZING ITS GODS WORD, AND THEREFORE GOD HIMSELF THEY ARE FIGHTING, WILL YOU DEAR READER BE BOLD ENOUPH TO CHECK UP ON THIS AND SEE IF IT IS SO? GOOGLE EVERY BAPTIZM IN THE BIBLE NOBODY IS EVER BAPTIZED IN 3 ANYTHING AS IN MATHEW 28;19 AM I AGAINST 28;19? NO! JESUS IS THE FATHER ISAIAH 9;6 HE IS THE SON, ISAIAH 9;6 HE IS "THE MIGHTY GOD" ISAIAH 9;6 FATHER SON AND HOLY GHOST ARE TITLES, NOT NAMES AND MATHEW 28;19 READS BAPTIZING THEM IN THE NAME (SINGULAR) JAMES 2;19 SAYS THOU BELIEVEST THERE IS ONE GOD, THOU DOEST WELL, THE DEVILS ALSO BELIEVE, AND TREMBLE ROMANS 6;1-6 PROVES THE ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT IS WRITTEN TO AND FOR THOSE WHO HAVE (PST TENSE) ALREADY BEEN BAPTIZED, UNDER 2 OR 3 WITNESESS, EVERY WORD SHALL BE ESTABLISHED, GALATIANS 3;26-27 READ THUS:FOR YOU ARE ALL THE CHILDREN OF GOD BY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST. IS IT ONLY BY THAT FAITH? NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. THE VERY NEXT VERSE READS:FOR AS MANY OF YOU AS HAVE BEEN (PAST TENSE) BAPTIZED (PST TENSE) INTO CHRIST HAVE PUT ON CHRIST. I REPEAT THE ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT (THATS AFTER THE RESURECTION) IS WRITTEN SPECIFICLY AND DIRECTLY TO THOSE, ONLY THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN BAPTIZED AS IN ACTS 2;38 HOW MUCH OF ME, MYSELF HAVE I JUST POSTED? OR DID I NOT PRESENT ONLY BIBLE SCRIPTURE? IN CONCLUSION, I MENTIONED THAT FATHER SON AND HOLY GHOST ARE TITLES NOT NAMES THATS WHY, SHOCKER, YOU WONT FIND THE APOSTLES TO WHOM MAT 28;19 WAS BEING SPOKEN TO BY JESUS EVER, AND NEVER BAPTIZED ANYONE IN 3 ANYTHING , DO THE APOSTLES SOUND LIKE TRINITARIANS TO YOU? WERE THEY BAFOONS WHO DISOBEYED GOD, WHO IS JESUS, AND POOR OL GOD WAS JUST HELPLESS TO STOP ALL THIS? PICTURE IT: OH NO YOU STUPID APOSTLES! WHY ARENT YOU TEACHING THEM THE SINNERS PRAYER? AND YOU FORGOT TO TELL THEM IM ONLY A SECOND PERSON IN A TRINITY! (... CRICKETS CHIRPING)
there is no way man has soul body and spirit. rather body + spirit = soul ( living ) God is one. this how the Genesis account tell us.
It isn't an accurate analogy, Patrick. That's modalism Patrick! Okay, I had to make a reference to Lutheran Satire.
If you just believed what the Bible says that God is One (God) you wouldn't need any analogy.
The flesh and the soul are part of the same body. So one flesh is made of two things, body and soul. And the Spirit stay in Unity. That's why John says;
1Jn 5:6-7: "This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and with the blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth."
Thank you. This is the simplest explanation I have heard yet. There is so much of divine nature that we don't know but there are many illustrations that would help us. 1Co_6:11, 1Ti_3:16. It's really helpful when you are able to give the scripture references because there are so many that would deny this.
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Okay, that last one about the circles made me think of the refraction of light through a prism. Light, being compromised of different colors in part, yet invisible (or white), as a whole, seems a good analogy for the Trinity. Don't you think?
I don't remember where.....but the Bible does say that "God is light"........interesting.
This falls into modalism.
Yes it works on some level, the light never changes just the way we interpret the kight. Sometimes we see God as Jesus and others the spirit or the creator over all, yet he is always unchanged.
“My father is greater than I“ don’t go well with the Trinity though.
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The Son is subordinate to the Father. God is one in being ... three in person.
mind/body/soul are each you, but not one another
thought/word/meaning are each expression, but not one another
Exactly. God says we were made in his image and that is in a Trinity - mind, soul and spirit. Simple
People need to remember that God is not human. He was not made in our image.
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Isn't the image of the word GOD, GOD?
We can see the word.
Athanasian Creed; Dr. Bruce thank you for your time and effort in teaching others about the Trinity.
For science explaining, using the resonance in nitrate molecules; each bond in the nitrate ion is one and one-third of a bond, which is consistent with the observation that the three bonds in the nitrate ion have the same bond length and the same bond energy.
I think the best example is given in Genesis 1. HUMANS. We are made in the image of God. We are triune beings. We have a spirit, a soul, and a body. Each part distinct, but each part uniquely makes up who we are.
I would use that analogy but some might say does not scripture say God breathed into man and he became a living soul also while scripture calls us living souls it calls God a quickening spirit. Jesus told Nicodemus that he had to be born of the Spirit to see the kingdom of God. We like to use the word spirit but how is it that we are spiritually dead until born again and the only ones who can worship God in Spirit and truth are those who are born again. It seems that Spirit would be his Spirit which would leave out humanity.
Gen. 2:7 (KJV) "the man became a living soul" after God breathed life into him (ruach, nepesh or pneuma), so the equation is Human body + life force (ruach, nepesh or pneuma) = Living Soul
Eze. 18:4 (KJV) "the soul that sinneth, it shall die".
I agree but not to the extent that this is a supporting analogy for the trinitarian concept of God, much rather the opposite. Adam was made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27-27) yet he was one person comprised of or possessing multiple aspects of being: body, soul, and spirit/mind.
So it is with God. He is one person: Father in creation (Mal. 2:10) and uniquely of Jesus Christ (Hebrews 1); Son in redemption via the incarnation, (Matthew 1:20-23 and Luke 1:35): and Holy Spirit in nature/essence. (John 4:24)
We further see this truth via the Great Commission:
Matthew 28:18-20 KJV - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Luke 24:46-48 KJV - And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.
Acts 2:14 KJV - But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
This was fulfilled when Peter preached on the day of Pentecost.
Acts 2:38 KJV - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Matthew 16:18-19 KJV - And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Acts 2:41 KJV - Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Acts 2:47 NKJV - praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.
Respectfully,
This is actually not a good analogy to use. Because our body, spirit and soul are not 3 distinct persons.
However the best analogy is indeed mankind. Because God created 1 mankind who is separate persons. Every man on earth shares the same nature/being of mankind. Yet we are multipersonal, separate persons.
In the same manner God is 1 nature/being of God, yet God is multipersonal Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
How about the Triple Point of water analogy, where water can exist in all 3 states ( solid, liquid and vapour) simultaneously.
I used to think this. But he explained its flaws. To take on different forms 💦 they become changed atomically. Therefore different and no longer the same.
Thats Modalism Patrick!
The inherent flaw in all of the ridiculous "explanations" and "analogies" that trinitarian use in trying to rationalize the doctrine into being logical is that NONE of them are ever based on what the Bible actually teaches about the nature of God. None of them work because because the Bible shows Christ being subordinate to the Father's will, and that They're distinct Beings from each other. The Father raised the Son from the dead. Christ didn't auto-res Himself.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 In Acts 2:24, Peter says that “God raised [Jesus] from the dead.” So that’s the basic answer. God resurrected Jesus. As we read more Scripture, that basic answer becomes more nuanced.
The Bible indicates that all three Persons of the Trinity were involved in Jesus’ resurrection. Galatians 1:1 says that the Father raised Jesus from the dead. First Peter 3:18 says that the Spirit raised Jesus from the dead (see also Romans 1:4, and note that Romans 8:11 clearly says that God will resurrect believers “through His Spirit”). And in John 2:19 Jesus predicts that He will raise Himself from the dead (see also John 10:18). So, when we answer the question of who resurrected Jesus, we can say God did. And by that we can mean it was the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
It may seem puzzling how Jesus could be said to raise Himself. How can a dead man have any say in his own resurrection? The answer is that Jesus was more than a man who died; He was the eternal Son of God incarnate. Wicked men could kill His body, but they could not change His eternal nature or diminish His divine power. In John 10:17-18 Jesus says something that no mere mortal could ever say: “I lay down my life-only to take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again.” No one else in the history of the world has ever had the authority both to lay down his life and to raise it up again.
Furthermore, Jesus said, “I am the resurrection and the life” (John 11:25). He claimed to be the resurrection Himself; He has absolute authority over life and death (Revelation 1:18). Jesus is God. He could say He would raise up His body on the third day because He, being God, has power over death.
Who resurrected Jesus from the dead? God did, and by that we mean all three Persons of the Trinity were involved. All three Persons of the Trinity participated in creation (1 Corinthians 8:6; Genesis 1:1-2). All three are involved in salvation (John 3:6, 16). And all three areIn Acts 2:24, Peter says that “God raised [Jesus] from the dead.” So that’s the basic answer. God resurrected Jesus. As we read more Scripture, that basic answer becomes more nuanced.
The Bible indicates that all three Persons of the Trinity were involved in Jesus’ resurrection. Galatians 1:1 says that the Father raised Jesus from the dead. First Peter 3:18 says that the Spirit raised Jesus from the dead (see also Romans 1:4, and note that Romans 8:11 clearly says that God will resurrect believers “through His Spirit”). And in John 2:19 Jesus predicts that He will raise Himself from the dead (see also John 10:18). So, when we answer the question of who resurrected Jesus, we can say God did. And by that we can mean it was the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
It may seem puzzling how Jesus could be said to raise Himself. How can a dead man have any say in his own resurrection? The answer is that Jesus was more than a man who died; He was the eternal Son of God incarnate. Wicked men could kill His body, but they could not change His eternal nature or diminish His divine power. In John 10:17-18 Jesus says something that no mere mortal could ever say: “I lay down my life-only to take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again.” No one else in the history of the world has ever had the authority both to lay down his life and to raise it up again.
Furthermore, Jesus said, “I am the resurrection and the life” (John 11:25). He claimed to be the resurrection Himself; He has absolute authority over life and death (Revelation 1:18). Jesus is God. He could say He would raise up His body on the third day because He, being God, has power over death.
Who resurrected Jesus from the dead? God did, and by that we mean all three Persons of the Trinity were involved. All three Persons of the Trinity participated in creation (1 Corinthians 8:6; Genesis 1:1-2). All three are involved in salvation (John 3:6, 16). And all three are responsible for the resurrection of Christ Jesus.
what a dummy the devil is working hard .
An egg has a white, yolk and a shell. Which one is the egg? -Bob George
Partialism is a heresy that you have described perfectly.
That's really not a great analogy. The white, yolk, and shell are all distinct parts. The father, son, and spirit are not separate parts from each other. You can separate yolk from white and white from shell
no wonder the ancient romans and Greeks agans who knew nothing about God had Triad'S of GOD that is where the origine of the trinity comes from: False religion.
@@art333-dg8dd nonsense.
@@joeyn985nah this is facts tho Constantine made the biblical trinity and he is pagan
Amazing analogy.... Outstanding explanation...! Hats off!!!
NEWS: You can be a CHRISTIAN and ANTI-TRINITY!
God speaking via Moses, Jesus or the burning bush does NOT make them God, ok?
Adam and Eve are one, but one what? Family.
God the Father de-le-gates via Jesus, as via Moses. "I can't do anything on my own".
Hebrews 1:9 “therefore God, your God, has set you above”. The Father is Jesus’ God! Can’t be clearer.
“God is NOT a MAN, that He should lie, NOR a SON of MAN”. God sleeps and defecates not, okey?
“For there is ONE GOD, and there is ONE mediator between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus”, and John 17:3.
You didn't find the trinity reading the Bible as a child, did you? Somebody suggested it to you.
Jesus explained we can be called “you are gods” too, we say “our Father", thus we are gods in a sense.
Did Jesus create his own mother? Nobody asked Jesus how he created the Earth.
Jesus has body, soul, spirit. God is just spirit. How can they be the same essence, they have the same spirit?
Go Unitarians! Even muslims mock Christians because of the LITERAL trinity teaching.
Why risk implying God has a multiple personalities disorder? Risk being gullible like Eve?
(Peter denied Christ x3. Event the first churches needed correction.)
A TRINITARIAN is somebody who ignores* all the above, but throws in a verse they like instead. Self-centered?
*Contradictions and lies are Impossible for God, He wouldn't be Holy.
How can water co-exist at three phases (solid, liquid and gas)?
Water exists in three distinct phases at something called the triple point. Zero degrees celsius is defined by the triple point of water which is 273.16K at 611.2 Pa.
At this temperature water is in the process of changing from a solid state into the liquid phase or visa versa. Molecules in the liquid phase can loose a bit of energy and solidify whilst solid water (ice) can gain some energy and melt. This can be seen in melting ice where the solid ice exists for some time while the exposed surface melts.
Molecules in a liquid don't all have the same energy. The energies of the molecules can vary from a finite minimum, which would mark the transition back to a solid phases, up to an infinite energy (although the probability of this occurring is infinitely small). The average energy of the molecules gives us the temperature of the liquid. Statistical thermodynamics can map out the energy distribution of the water molecules. At a certain energy molecules will have enough energy to evaporate, even if the water temperature is 0 degrees C.
Because of these two effects it is possible for the water to exist as solid, liquid and gas at the same time.
Answered by: Edward Rayne, Physics Undergraduate Student, Cambridge UK
Hello so H2O can be a good example do to the triple point of water.
John 4:14
but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life.”
Blessings
Thank you for finally describing the triple point of water as an excellent example of the trinity. It is clear that theologians are not physicists.
How is water a gas at triple point? You explained the presence of solid and liquid, but not gas.
Nope. That theory has a name - I cant be bothered to remember. No classic protestant or catholic accepts that one.
The triple point is a state in which the conditions for each aggregation state is met, so they can change anyway, however there is still only one state present at each unit of water. It's not like we cannot seperate from observation which state water is in at that point like how it is impossible to tell liquid from gas apart at the supercritical point, but that's only two for one.
You can only say that, at that point, there can bem molecules in any state, but none of them can be simultaneously at the 3 states.
So yesterday, I prayed about understanding the Trinity better and then this video popped up! Thank you!
There is no Trinity, it's the doctrine of the devil. Trinity is nowhere in the Bible.
Does that mean that all this time someone was hanging on to a blind faith? Just asking.
Did Jesus worship himself? That is, IF he was God. Give it a thought.
After many years.. i still don't get it. I believe in 1 God and Jesus as the Son of God..
@@jimjuri6490 Jesus Christ is the word. The word proceeded from the Father's mouth. The Father is Jesus Christ. This is why you cannot separate the Father from his word. The Son is the word. The Son of Man is the word. The spirit is the word. The Son is the spirit. The Son of Man is the saviour. The Son of Man will be the one judging in the last day.
@@lpwork6809 : That is exactly what the Bible teaches.
(1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father,
True Christians believe in ONE GOD. The one Jesus and his Disciples address as OUR FATHER in the Heavens (Matthew 6:9).
What others want to believe is their affair.
They will even use analogies to get to their goal. The scriptures of course, will never help any false teaching.
'No man has SEEN God at ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12 is clear. Jesus was NEVER God. Not at ANY TIME. Jesus was SEEN.
I think of one sentence in my brain. I tell the sentence to you -- now it's in your brain. While telling it to you, I record myself speaking that sentence in my handphone. One sentence in my brain, one sentence in your brain, one sentence recorded. How many sentences do I say? One. Also a good explanation about the Trinity, because those three sentences exist simultaneously -- exactly like Father and Holy Spirit when they appear at The Son's baptism.
As long as you are aware that those things don't actually "exist", they are mere concepts.
You can think of a fictional character, and draw it, and share it, and still that character does not "exist" beyond our imagination and representations of it.
A sentence only "exists" as long as we agree on its validity (the sounds being consonants and vowels, making up words, grammar rules...) so it is contingent on our perception of what a sentence is to "be". I doubt the existence of a Trinity is contingent on agreeing upon it.
I understand the analogy, but it breaks down when you try to tie it to reality.
I understand no analogy is perfect for understanding the Trinity, but thank you for sharing the best analogy along with false analogies so I can make an idea of what the Trinity really is.
The best way to describe the trinity is mankind. Every man on earth shares the same nature/being of mankind. Yet are seperate persons. In the same way God is 1 nature/being of God, yet God is 3 distinct persons.
The application of θεον as a direct object of λογος in John 1 is anarthrous. It is used in a qualitative sense. ‘In the beginning’ entails that the ontological reality of any ‘thing’ other than God-like the word-is necessarily pantheistic. It is only after God’s first creative act that anything can move from the pantheistic to the panentheistic. John does not set out to assert the trinity, but rather that God is all in all-the one from whom all flows and to whom all points.
only pantheistic if you deem it to be pantheistic and loath the fact that the Word is in God and God is in the word and the Spirit is called "My Spirit" by both the Father and The Son and is in The Father and is in The Son and we find in the final chapter of the revelation of Jesus Christ, the Throne of God and of The Son {one throne} and The Spirit of God and of The Son issuing from the throne. Rev. 22 "Glorify Me with The Glory I had with You before the world began Jn. 14, 17. God speaking "Your throne oh God {Jesus} is established forever" Heb. 11 Let All the Angels Worship Him{Jesus} Heb. 11 Joshua bows down to Jesus and worships Him in front of Jericho Josh.5 Was Joshua a pagan or was he worshipping God? Seems to me you have failed greek and Christianity!
@@jerryharder1381 I think maybe you don’t understand what I mean when I say pantheistic. Before God’s first creative act, there is no ‘other’. It is only after he creates that something exists distinctively apart from God. It is in this sense that trinitarian doctrine ubiquitously proclaims that the Son and the Spirit proceed from the Father. My position isn’t a rejection of the unique aspects of the trinity, but rather an ontology that asserts the Father as the prime mover.
Hey where’s a good place I can learn what you are talking about? I’m not familiar with Koine Greek enough to come to my conclusion based on my knowledge alone
We are a mind, body, and a soul. Each of these is its own unique thing, and without any one of them we are no longer us. It's really simple honestly.
We are, but each of those are a part of us, something we are composed of. My soul will live on when separated from my dead body (until the resurrection.) None of them is me. But God is not composed of parts. It's funny you said "simple," because the trouble with the analogy is precisely that God is simple (in the technical sense, as in not composed of parts.) I know tone doesn't come across, so I want to clarify I'm not trying to say this unkindly. Just suggesting rethinking the analogy.
This is such a bad explanation and really shows that most people don't understand the trinity. Jesus is FULLY god. Your body/mind/soul individually are not fully you. Each are aspects of you. You're basically implying that Jesus is an aspect of God which is not the case.
Another issue is we are never told in the bible we are body soul and spirit. According to the bible God breathed into Adam's nose and man became a living soul. Not body soul and spirit.
@@VileVendetta
No disrepect intended at all, but Jesus is by his nature fully God. Jesus is not the whole of God. This is evident in several areas, not least of which being that the Father can know something the Son does not. They are not interchangeable.
Your mind, for example, is fully you. It's your mind and nobody else's. You as a whole are not just your mind, however.
@@unexpectedTrajectory
Likewise, I don't mean any ill will here whatsoever! Just having a discussion.
God constantly makes the distinction Himself between the three aspects/beings/persons or whatever you want to call them that compose His enitre being. A distinction without a difference is meaningless so there must be some difference.
God made man in His image, and spoke in the plural while doing so. This can't mean multiple gods (whole other discussion!), so what is the plurality in reference to if not these three distinct but inseparable aspects of the single being? And what was meant by "in our image"? Physically, mentally, spiritually, or all three?
Your soul will live on, agreed! But will it do so without a body or a mind? Maybe it wil and I am open to correctionl, but the text seems to indicate this not being the case. Why would we need perfected bodies if we don't require a body at all for example?
Awesome vid, and great explanation, I've never had any problem with the idea of the trinity but is nice to watch it explain this well. BTW it is, in fact, possible for water to exist in its 3 states at the same time. It requires very specific conditions of preassure and temperature but nevertheless possible. Its called Triple Point of Water.
The water example is a heresy of Modalism because you are saying that water takes on different modes of the same substance, meaning they are not 100% distinct like the doctrine of the trinity says.
Also water can only exist in one form at a time which goes against the trinity doctrine that says 3 exist coequally simultaneously.
Dr. Ware, thank you for your presentation. I was puzzled when said that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit possess the same attributes (1:25-1:33). If the Son is omiscient like the Father, then why didn't the Son know when He would return a second time (Matt. 24:36)?
naughty question.
That time he was here in man kind . He said this was a human being.
Your explanation of the Trinity is right on perfect according to the dream God showed me a few months ago. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are 3 distinct (different) persons but are all God. They work collaboratively together as one unit.
This sounds like paganism. If God is one he is one. Not 3.... thats like saying my 3 persons because i have a soul a body and a spirit
@algut2376 And God said " let US go down and create man after OUR image, after OUR likeness. Later God said the man has become like one of US knowing good from evil.
Either God is a schizophrenic, or there's more than one person there speaking singularly.
Very correct.
God IS speaking to another...his Son.
The one who aided the Father in creation.
The passage does not speak of or indicate a community of 3 any more than 4 or 5 or 6.@@rayspeakmon2954
e.g tree as one God-- God the father is the root the son is the trunk the holy spirit is branch. three different distinction but one tree.
@@rayspeakmon2954 Have you ever spoken to yourself? "Got dang it i forget my keys in the house" we have all done this so maybe we are all scizophrenic! I believe God was speaking to himself. Or else to the heavenly host. But God is definitely one person. Read the whole bible brother! Accept Jesus as your savior this is what really matters!
DISCLAIMER - this comment is LONG, but if you stick with me to the end, I think you'll find that it was WORTH THE READ. That is, if you genuinely like to reflect on the Nature of the Trinity.
As soon as I read the title of this video, I got excited. I thought, "Finally, someone is going to attempt to explain the Trinity in a way that helps us to understand the Nature of God. The speaker in the video did a good job at explaining some of the false views of the Trinity and some of the analogies / images that are good or bad at representing the Trinity. But his analogy at the end was a little simplistic in my opinion. Three different colored circles all stacked on top of one another... ehhhh.... I think that we can get more creative than that with discussing the Nature of the Trinity. So I figured I would share some of the thoughts that I have concerning the Nature of God and see if it resonates with others or if others find it helpful or misleading. But to me, the following explanation has become a core idea in my theology and in my mind that I reflect upon often. It has given me much comfort and peace as these ideas sink in more and more.
Disclaimer: I know that the following reasoning has its limitations (as all human logic does), but nevertheless this has really helped me in my understanding of how God can be both One but yet multiple Persons at the same time.
God exists in eternity past. And as God is existing, He is aware of Who He IS. Of what He IS like. God’s awareness of Himself is not like our awareness of ourselves. With us, our understanding of ourselves is mostly our ego. Who we think we are and who others have told us we are. But that image we have of ourselves in our minds is very limited. Even if we had a thorough understanding of the depths of our own psyche, the image we can draw up of ourselves in our head doesn’t include the complexities of all our cells and the activities that they are continually engaged in. Or the millions of nerve endings throughout our body or the synapses continually firing in our brains. Our image of ourselves usually doesn’t include any of these things. But even if it did, and we had a complete and comprehensive picture-perfect understanding of who we are, the image we have of ourselves in our mind would still be just that - an image. It wouldn’t be fully like us because, in the end, it is still just an idea of who we are in our head. It is not us.
But this is not the case when it comes to God. His ways are higher than ours. If God were ask Himself, “Who AM I ?” Or “What AM I Like ?” then He would have no problem having a perfect Image of Who He IS in His own Mind (now I am aware that God doesn’t have a “mind” in the same sense as we do, with our “mind” being bound to our brain. But God doesn’t have a physical “brain” as we do, but rather God IS Spirit. Not physical. At least not until the Incarnation). As God sees Who He IS in His Own Mind, the Image that He has of Himself is FULLY like Him. In all ways. Including the fact that this Image is Conscious. As God is Conscious. God is completely capable of being so aware of Who He IS that the Image He perceives is FULLY like Him. The Image of God IS also Conscious. Thus we have Two Conscious Persons Co-Existing. One Begotten of the Other. We have an Eternal Father and Son. This also helps us to understand why Jesus would say that the Father is “greater than Him” or that He is “sent from the Father.” They ARE Both COMPLETELY God but one is rightfully called Father and the Father has “Begotten” a Son. But Their Identity and Life and bound to One Other.
If God is a Conscious God, then there MUST be Another Conscious Person there with Him, because He is completely Aware of His Own Essence to such an extent that the Image He has of Himself in His Own Mind is also Conscious. Thus we have an eternal Father and Son. Existing TOGETHER. Both completely God. But existing in Two Persons at the same time. And these two Persons are Both aware of the Other. They Both see and behold the Glory of the Other and delight in and rejoice over the Other. The Father is so joyous in His Love for the Son that He desires to pour out ALL of His Essence and Being upon His Son. He holds nothing back. He pours out so much of Himself that it can right be called God. It is not as if He is pouring out part of what He has to offer but that He pours out His very Being and Essence. It IS God. It is His Spirit. And the Son does the same thing back to the Father. Pouring out His very Essence and Being upon the Father. Thus we affirm the Athanasian Creed - the Spirit proceeds from BOTH the Father AND the Son.
So we find a God Who IS Conscious. Existing in Two Persons. But God is also Relational. We can rightly say that He exists in Three Persons. Each bound to the Others and finding Their Identity in the Other. If God is Conscious, then there must be at least Two Persons. And if there are Two, They are are Relational. And if The are Relational, then perhaps it can be argued that there is a Third Person. If They share Themselves COMPLETELY with the Other, then the “Thing” flowing from Them is also FULLY God. Otherwise They would only be sharing things they have vs. Them sharing Their very Essence with One Another.
A few additional thoughts -
These thoughts are a little rough and still need to be polished more, but I feel like what we observe in the physical world testifies to the idea of Oneness and Plurality. Wouldn’t it be fitting that this God would create the world to behave in such a way that it reflects His Nature? Wouldn’t it make sense that His creation would reflect some of His Own Attributes? Let us look closer to see if this is the case. Consider the nature of energy. I am sure that you have heard it said that “everything is ultimately vibration or energy.” Well what does it mean for something to vibrate? It can only be understood as you come to understand how that “thing” is relating to other “things.” You can not know that the first thing is vibrating or oscillating unless it is seen in relationship to other “things.” If that thing existed alone, you wouldn’t even know that it is moving or vibrating. You can only understand the behavior of that thing by understanding its relationship to other things. The same is true of God. You can not know Who God IS or what He is doing unless you understand Him as He relates to “otherness.” As He relates to His Son and how They relate to One Another through the Spirit. This is the starting point of understanding anything in nature and it is also our starting point in understanding the Nature and Being of God. They must be understood by studying Their relationship to “other.”
Additionally, let us consider not just the nature of energy as a whole, but specific types of energy - thermal energy and electrical energy. These type of energy behave in such a way that they always share from a greater to a lesser. They are not greedy. They always seek equilibrium. This is true of the Nature of God as well. The Father does not hoard His Own Glory but shares it with the Son. He does not hold anything back from His Son, but shares all things with Him. So much so that He pours out His entire Being and Essence upon His Son. He shares the fullness of His Spirit with His Son. And the Son does the same with the Father. There is complete Equilibrium. Just as we see in thermal and electrical energy. They seek equilibrium.
I know that some of these ideas are a little rough and in the their early stages, but I believe that they may help some of you on your journey to discovering the Nature of God as they have helped me. Glory to the Father. Glory to the Son. Glory to the Spirit. Three in One. Blessings upon all who read this.
Please comment and let me know if this makes sense to you, because I want to develop these ideas more fully, but I need some constructive feedback from the Body of Christ.
Interesting idea, but why start with the idea that God is three when we are never told that God is three? The concept that an Almighty God can choose to be what God chooses to be (I AM THAT I AM) would seem to be a better starting point.
With the analogy given in the bible that Jesus is the image of the invisible God. Therefore if we think about what that means. Simply look into a mirror. Who do you see? Yourself and at the same time distinct from you your image. Just as Jesus said he did nothing of Himself only what the Father did. If someone has seen your image they can also say they know what you look like too. Simple analogy from the bible. God was manifest in the flesh, or represented in the flesh. Never are we told a distinct person with God was represented only God. Even John 1:...Word (logos) became flesh. Logos didn't mean person before Word became flesh. You can look up the meaning of logos for its ancient Greek meaning. It basically means thought, reason, logic, wisdom, idea, and plan. All ways that someone can know someone that you have never met. If I was to tell you all about me with my "words" this is my logos. My logos has always been with me. My logos is not another person with me. If I was spirit as Jesus said God is I would need to have flesh and blood to do what only God can do. Become flesh as we are told. Therefore Jesus would have existed as a distinct person with God but as God alone. Meaning God can choose to be the Almighty God in heaven and the lamb slain before the foundation of the world all at the same time. The Holy Spirit according to Jesus is said to be Another. Which means another of the same. Obviously not another only begotten Therefore another way God chooses to be represented for us.
You seem to be a deep thinking person so I would hope you pray and consider this.
Catholic Romanism, Trinitarianism, or what is rightly the political doctrine, Constantine-Theodosius Romanism is false religion.
It is a Satanic doctrine of inference found no where in the Bible and especially not in the New Testament and not found on the lips of Jesus nor any of the apostles, no where found in the gospels, nor the letters, nor Acts, nor Revelation.
Trying to rationalize a false doctrine while in the flesh compounds the problem. So doing is doing the work of Satan.
@@andrewbrown9497 Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate your thoughts and for sharing. Personally though I didn’t think that I was starting with Three, but Three is the conclusion I came to in the end. I actually started with the question, “Is God Conscious?” And the line of reasoning I presented above is what came out of years of meditating on that question. But to me, it seems to be in line with the historical confession of the Church, that God is Three Persons but yet One in His Being and Essence. And God is clearly in some type of fellowship with Himself in eternity past. Just read John 17. I was merely trying to point out that both philosophy and creation itself (nature) both affirm what the Church has already preached and held to for 2,000 years. It wasn’t invented. It was the people of God recognizing a Truth that is self existent. Philosophy and reason along with nature and the created order affirm the idea of Plurality and Oneness being at the core of God’s Essence. The Christ has to be more than just a reflection. The Truth has to go deeper. A reflection is not alive and conscious, like the Son of God IS. I fear that sticking too close to the reflection analogy gets close to modalism. But instead we see the Son talking to, having fellowship with, and Being in Relationship with the Father. Both while on Earth and before the Earth began. John 17.
@@johnp.johnson1541You never once actually entered into a genuine conversation with me, but just claimed that doctrines you don’t agree with are heresy. Which I am not roman catholic by the way. But you never actually engaged in any honest dialogue or attempted to refute any of the logic laid out in the argument above. Your whole argument is that the word Trinity isn’t used in the Bible…? The word electricity isn’t in n the Bible either. That doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist. Words are made up along the way to capture ideas and help man to articulate clearly what he is trying to convey. The word Trinity may not be in the Bible, but the Concept is ABSOLUTELY there. Reread my initial comment again and the Scriptures listed there. Once you have done that, then have a genuine conversation with me about the logic / reasoning presented there. But if you are simply going to take everything I said, put into a box that you made a label for, and call it heresy, without even mentioning ANY of what I said in your so called rebuttal, then we both have better things to do with our time. But if you want to have a genuine and respectful conversation, then please start there.
@@davidromesburgYou actually began with your first paragraph ending "...if you genuinely like to reflect on the Nature of the trinity." The trinity is three separate persons. That is therefore starting with three. The concept that God is three has never been mentioned in the Bible. At best the concept is trying to explain that God is something God has never revealed to mankind. Although we have the stressed concept that God is one. One Almighty God. Again and again that point is made. Consider that a reason to not have an analogy that God is three is because God is one. The analogy of the image, that is given, therefore should be considered and understood. That concept is given to us in the Bible.
As Jesus told us God is spirit. What if a invisible spirit (God) looks into a mirror? By all that we know there would be no image. Therefore something would have to "come into being" for there to be an image. Watch the movie "Invisible man" same concept. Also if you haven't noticed I am using concept from the Bible that tells us about what we are talking about. None have mentioned the concept that a person with God that was also God but not another God was the source of the image.
Neither are we told that one of the persons became flesh. We are although told Word (Logos) became flesh. Which was with and was God. Understanding the ancient Greek meaning of logos is important. Most of us, and even a good friend of mine that does speak modern Greek, has no knowledge of its meaning. Logos can be understood just as if I was to tell you all about me, or at least all I wanted you to know about me. God was known to those in the Old testament only through the prophets. Hebrews 1:1 When God spoke to the people many times and many ways. Again not persons of Himself, but God doing this. The next verse is even better. So what proof is there that proves God is something we are told compared to clear scripture that tells us God is one? One that is without limits. Limitless one. Just as scripture tells us a plural one. Without limits.
Often John 17 is brought up as proof of Jesus's being with the Father before the world existed. Of itself it would be compelling. The clear issue is context. Was Jesus here giving us insight of His and the Father duality? No we are not being given new insight that conflicts with John chapter one, or 1 John chapter one. If Jesus was He would have explained this at some point. The context of John 17 is not for insight of Jesus being a person with God, but acknowledgement of what was for told. Example the lamb slain before the foundation of the world, bruising his heel while crushing his head.
Consider what is given to us rather consider what is not. For example you can consider Santa Claus. You can justify all sorts of reasons for him. It doesn't change what it true. Search for the truth not to prove what is never told.
We are also told Jesus is God manifest in the flesh. Or that God was manifest in the flesh. Manifest means represent. God represented in the flesh. Again never are we told one of the persons was what was represented in the flesh. The concept that God is three presons would first need to be confirmed first in order for that assumption to be used. Without the knowledge that God is three should only leaves us with the knowledge of what God is which again brings us back to the limitless one. Represented in anyway God chooses to be represented. I AM THAT I AM
I'm just starting to learn about God and consider my faith in Jesus and God. To be honest, this video is just too confusing, and something about it rubs me wrong. I feel more calmly when I relax and just let the words pass through me.
Don’t worry too much about the Trinity right now. God will reveal himself to you. The Trinity can be hard to understand at first, but don’t worry ask God for wisdom, and he will give it to you.
God is omnipresent meaning he is everywhere at the same time
The Trinity was one of the twisted doctrines Paul said would creep into Christian beliefs (Acts 20:30). That is why no human mind can comprehend it.
However, Jesus in his prayer to his God Jehovah said:
(John 17:3) This means everlasting life, their coming to KNOW YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and the one whom YOU SENT, Jesus Christ.
If God and the one whom He SENT cannot be known, then Jesus would have made a false promise.
5:20 ...how about the triple point? Just saying :)
I think the "higher heavens" mentioned in the Bible from a scientific standpoint equate to dimensions.
The Father is in the highest heaven, and expressed Himself in a lower dimension as Jesus (Hebrews 1)
Maybe, sort of - but that wouldn't explain the so called trinity. Where would the HS fit in?
That's a good way. We can't see the Father because how can we see a God that's outside of the universe and all known dimensions and is infinite and eternal? How can we see that?
The Son is the image and word of the infinite God
So how is this different from PAGANISH?? Like Zeus, Apollo, Haides, arthena and poseidon. Or jupiter with mars, venus etc.
Absolutly not different....
It's very different.
It's one God.
It's from the Holy Scripture, 40 books written by many authors over 2500 years and yet it all lines up. You should try reading the bible. It will change your life.
@@leew3365 The Hebrew Bible were written within the 10th century BCE and 5/4th century BCE. That's about 400 or 500 years period. It was done by Jewish scribes sitting down somewhere. Not by Moses or Job or David etc.
The new testament was also written by people sitting down somewhere between 70 CE and 130 CE. So where did you get this "many authors" and over "2500 years" from???
It’s not different from paganism. Paganism is full of trinities. The word trinity is nowhere in scripture and the doctrine didn’t exist until 325 CE. God isn’t the author of confusion the devil is. The trinity doctrine is confusion plain and simple. If it wasn’t there wouldn’t be all these preachers, laymen etc always trying to find some way to explain it and make it understandable. God doesn’t work in riddles. Did is truth plain and simple. Anyhow people are going to believe what they believe. This is what I believe.
Beautifully explained
, THE BIBLE NEVER SHOWS ANY PERSON REPEATING A SINNERS PRAYER, , , WE CAN LEAVE THE SUBJECT OF THE TRINITY OUT OF IT AND JUST ASK, what MUST I DO TO BE SAVED? THE JAILER IN ACTS 16;23-33 ITS RIGHT THERE IN THE BIBLE TO SEE, PAUL AND SILUS ANSWERED : BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THOU SHALT BE SAVED, BELIEVING ALONE T DOES NOT SAVE, THE NEXT 2 VERSES DEMONSTRATE WHAT SAVING FAITH DOES: AND THEY SPAKE UNTO HIM THE WORD OF THE LORD, AND TO ALL THAT WERE IN HIS HOUSE, AND HE TOOK THEM THE SAME HOUR OF THE NIGHT, AND WASHED THEIR STRIPES, (AND WAS BAPTIZED, ACTS 2;38) HE AND ALL HIS STRAIGHTWAY. WE CAN READ IN THE BIBLE, THAT PAUL NEVER TOLD THE JAILOR THE HE NEEDED TO ACCEPT OR RECIEVE THE LORD AS A PERSONAL SAVIOR, HE NEVER HAD HIM REPEAT THE SINNERS PRAYER FOUND IN EVERY TRINITARIAN CHICK PUBLICATIANS TRACT. ACTS 2;38 DOESNT ONLY APPEAR IN ACTS 2;38 ITS ALL OVER , EVERY PERSON CONVERTED AND WHO BECAME A "CHRISTIAN"ACTS 11;26 WAS BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST , IN ACTS 22;16 PAUL RECOUNTS HIS OWN CONVERSION ACCORDING TO ACTS 2;38 IN HIS OWN WORDS; ROMANS 6;1-6 EPHESIANS 4;3-6 BUT, THAT SAID, HOW MANY FOLKS CLAIMING THE TRINITY WILL ACTUALY OPEN THE BIBLE AND READ THIS FOR THEMSELVES? NOT MANY, A VAST MAJORITY ARE FABRICATING A COMEBACK INSTEAD, NOT REALIZING ITS GODS WORD, AND THEREFORE GOD HIMSELF THEY ARE FIGHTING, WILL YOU DEAR READER BE BOLD ENOUPH TO CHECK UP ON THIS AND SEE IF IT IS SO? GOOGLE EVERY BAPTIZM IN THE BIBLE NOBODY IS EVER BAPTIZED IN 3 ANYTHING AS IN MATHEW 28;19 AM I AGAINST 28;19? NO! JESUS IS THE FATHER ISAIAH 9;6 HE IS THE SON, ISAIAH 9;6 HE IS "THE MIGHTY GOD" ISAIAH 9;6 FATHER SON AND HOLY GHOST ARE TITLES, NOT NAMES AND MATHEW 28;19 READS BAPTIZING THEM IN THE NAME (SINGULAR) JAMES 2;19 SAYS THOU BELIEVEST THERE IS ONE GOD, THOU DOEST WELL, THE DEVILS ALSO BELIEVE, AND TREMBLE ROMANS 6;1-6 PROVES THE ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT IS WRITTEN TO AND FOR THOSE WHO HAVE (PST TENSE) ALREADY BEEN BAPTIZED, UNDER 2 OR 3 WITNESESS, EVERY WORD SHALL BE ESTABLISHED, GALATIANS 3;26-27 READ THUS:FOR YOU ARE ALL THE CHILDREN OF GOD BY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST. IS IT ONLY BY THAT FAITH? NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. THE VERY NEXT VERSE READS:FOR AS MANY OF YOU AS HAVE BEEN (PAST TENSE) BAPTIZED (PST TENSE) INTO CHRIST HAVE PUT ON CHRIST. I REPEAT THE ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT (THATS AFTER THE RESURECTION) IS WRITTEN SPECIFICLY AND DIRECTLY TO THOSE, ONLY THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN BAPTIZED AS IN ACTS 2;38 HOW MUCH OF ME, MYSELF HAVE I JUST POSTED? OR DID I NOT PRESENT ONLY BIBLE SCRIPTURE? IN CONCLUSION, I MENTIONED THAT FATHER SON AND HOLY GHOST ARE TITLES NOT NAMES THATS WHY, SHOCKER, YOU WONT FIND THE APOSTLES TO WHOM MAT 28;19 WAS BEING SPOKEN TO BY JESUS EVER, AND NEVER BAPTIZED ANYONE IN 3 ANYTHING , DO THE APOSTLES SOUND LIKE TRINITARIANS TO YOU? WERE THEY BAFOONS WHO DISOBEYED GOD, WHO IS JESUS, AND POOR OL GOD WAS JUST HELPLESS TO STOP ALL THIS? PICTURE IT: OH NO YOU STUPID APOSTLES! WHY ARENT YOU TEACHING THEM THE SINNERS PRAYER? AND YOU FORGOT TO TELL THEM IM ONLY A SECOND PERSON IN A TRINITY! (... CRICKETS CHIRPING)
Great explanation. Hugs from Spain.
I have a very simplistic view. When we are so busy that we wish we could multiply ourselves to accomplish something...God can do ANYTHING! Including multiplying Himself. Love is all that matters and He is that too. ❤
Loving God means telling the truth. And the trinity is a paganistic lie.
@@annieBBL24 Calling Trinity is a lie is like saying God has limitation of what He can do.
I thought the same thing too. Those who rejects Trinity is like saying God has limitation.
The best explanation i have ever heard about why we cannot get a good analogy for the Trinity is that God exists outside of creation, and therefore creation cannot possibly provide a completely applicable example or analogy. Its similar to a xerox copy. The copy loses fidelity because it is not the original, but it reflects the original closely.
You cannot get a good analogy because this thing does not exist ! It does not relate to God. it's a lie !
@@sentinelleomega_21 : Paul called the Trinity a twisted doctrine (Acts 20:30). That is why humans cannot fathom it.
But God can be known as Jesus showed in his prayer.
(John 17:3) This means everlasting life, their coming TO KNOW YOU, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
Thank you for this great description and explanation. I have never found it useful to try to draw an analogy from human experience to try to "explain" the Holy Trinity. As you stated, they all (even the ones that are initially helpful) break down and reveal significant deficiencies. Except perhaps the one that God points us to very early in Scripture. In Genesis 1:26-27, it is revealed that we ourselves are made in the image of God, especially as we exist in relationship with each other ("So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.") So, if we are to look for an analog to the nature and image of God, He seems to point us to... ourselves! In particular, to our marriage relationship. Then, in the very next chapter (Gen. 2:24), we read, "Therefore shall man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." This Hebrew word translated "one" is 'echad', and is the same word used in the the opening verse of the venerated Hebrew prayer in Deuteronomy 6:4: "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD." God, as He exists in perfect, triune relationship, is 'echad'. And back in Genesis 2:24, a man and his wife become 'echad' through their marriage relationship.
I don't know if this helps "explain" the Trinity, but it sure lends awesome importance and wonder on the relationship God intends husbands to have with our wives.
💯 🕊️ As Christ is head of the church (body) and you cannot have a functioning body without a head! Just as Man is head of the Woman.
I often imagine every other faith literally as headless people with no God guiding them stumbling blindly along.
Woman was taken from man’s side. Hebrew for side is Tsela I believe. And when Eve was taken from Adam she was taken from his side. Though it’s been translated as rib.
And Jesus came from the Father and that’s why he told us we ought to be pleased that he is returning to God’s right hand side …
Because where He is we will also be. Jesus said it was a profound mystery. Christ and the Church.
We really struggle explaining what’s God given to those chosen by God, to other people, but we can only quote scripture and it’s then in Gods hands as to whether they will receive him.
This is what most Christians lose their peace and joy over. I know I have. When I want so badly for everyone to know him as we do. But it’s really Jesus who can make the seeds we plant grow.
I noticed your comment mostly as you stuck to Gods word and scripture. Bless you for that!! It’s the right way to spread the word. 🙏🏼🕊️ And I was pleased to see it as I too like to stick with Gods teachings
No it doesn't explain anything. God is not married to the Son and HS. It also doesn't explain why you refuse to believe the plain scripture. God is One and there is NOONE beside Him.
@@annieBBL24 Stay in your circular firing squad Annette. Why would you want to be known for the thing you are for, when you have so much energy to identify with the things you are against!
@@annieBBL24Jesus is seated at the ‘right hand’ of God as he came from his side and returned there. It’s an inseparable unity. His image. Reflection of righteousness. As all who trust in Jesus also will be seated at his right hand side (sheep and flock of God and unbelievers (goats) on his left
Thanks the third explanation is my best 🙏❤️
I'm really blessed. Thank you for the clarity
What did he clarify? How can three colors be seen if you only see red?
There is no Holy Trinity but there is HOLY ONE.
I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city. Hosea 11:9
You cannot compare God to anything. Not in 3 in 1 coffee, not on Solid, Liquid, Gas. ETC.
Isaiah 40:18 “To whom then will you liken God? Or what likeness will you compare with Him?”
Can you give me the name of the Father? The Son and Holy Spirit?
Who is your True Almighty God? The Father, The Son or Holy Spirit?
Where in the Bible you can find the word "God The Son". In The Bible you can only find "Son Of God"
How can you explain this verse? 1 Timothy 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen. (Who is it referring to?) Jesus died at the age of 33.
The Holy Scriptures speak mystery in revealing the real identity of God about who HE IS. But to people whom God had revealed Himself, this mystery is He unfolded to them as well. God's real identity is hidden in Christ, the ROCK of stumbling.
Also, the Scriptures tell about this mystery and the revelation of the ONLY ONE TRUE GOD, the LORD JESUS CHRIST.
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up in glory.
Anyone wants to know the truth?.. I will explain the Doctrine of The HOLY ONE according to the Bible. ( Holy One Doctrine is not Oneness or Unitarian or Dualism).
Job 6:10 Then should I yet have comfort; yea, I would harden myself in sorrow: let him not spare; for I have not concealed the words of the Holy One.
Psalm 71:22 I will also praise thee with the psaltery, even thy truth, O my God: unto thee will I sing with the harp, O thou Holy One of Israel.
Psalm 89:18-19 For the LORD is our defence; and the Holy One of Israel is our king.Then thou spakest in vision to thy holy one, and saidst, I have laid help upon one that is mighty; I have exalted one chosen out of the people.
Isaiah 5:19 and 24 That say, Let him make speed, and hasten his work, that we may see it: and let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw nigh and come, that we may know it! Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.
Isaiah 12:6 Cry out and shout, thou inhabitant of Zion: for great is the Holy One of Israel in the midst of thee.
Isaiah 17:7 At that day shall a man look to his Maker, and his eyes shall have respect to the Holy One of Israel.
Isaiah 40:25 To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.
Isaiah 43: 3 For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.
Isaiah 43:14 Thus saith the LORD, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; For your sake I have sent to Babylon, and have brought down all their nobles, and the Chaldeans, whose cry is in the ships.
Isaiah 43: 15 I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.
Isaiah 47:4 As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Israel.
Isaiah 54:5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
Ezekiel 39:7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.
Hab. 1:12 Art thou not from everlasting, O LORD my God, mine Holy One? we shall not die. O LORD, thou hast ordained them for judgment; and, O mighty God, thou hast established them for correction.
Acts 13:35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
1 Jn 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
Mathematically we can say INFINITY + INFINITY + INFINITY = INFINITY .Because a true God is Infinite .
1x1x1=1
According to mathematics some infinities are larger than others
Infinity is an imaginary number. God is not imaginary. He can be known as Jesus showed in his prayer to his God, Jehovah.
(John 17:3) This means everlasting life, their coming to KNOW YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
Both, Jehovah God and the one whom he sent, namely Jesus, the Christ, can be known. No analogies needed.
Mathematically speaking it is absurd
Psalm 83:18 That men may know that thou,whose name ALONE is JAHOVAH,art the MOST HIGH over ALL the earth there is only ONE and HE is the MOST HIGH over ALL the earth everytime MOST HIGH is used is refering to the FATHER HE ALONE
That verse doesn't disprove the Trinity. You're assuming the Trinity is 3 gods which is not true. The Trinity is 1 God.
Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom."
Bruce Ware, my favorite prof!
The analogy that I like to use to describe the Trinity is 1x1x1=1
Why not 1+1+1=1?
@@roltab because there is only one God. When you multiply, you have there distinct unities (three "ones") that result in one God.
“The analogy that I like to use to describe the Trinity is 1x1x1=1" That means you don't know that addition and multiplication are not interchangeable. A grade-school kid knows this. You'd be happy for 4+5+6 to be either 15 or 120, whatever suits you at the moment.
@@xthidrumsxTo get the sum of any number of numbers, one adds them together, not multiply them.
I use that as well as the single sheet of paper for those mathmatically minded.
I've thought of the Trinity as 1 x 1 x 1 rather than 1 + 1 + 1. When multiplied by one another, each '1' is distinct, but their ultimate product is still 1. This is a unique product of the nature of 1.
And it's 100% unbiblical
yeah but how they're distinct from each other? using only 1 for 3 distinct persons is not the way
If trinity is true then you can read that in the bible? 3 Gods but you can read in the bible dont worship Idols then you worship 3 Gods
thats another good one , i bet the devil helped you find that one . The trinity was invented by the roman catholic church at the concil of nicea:actually the first part: jesus is God and in the year 400 they added the holy spirit which is God's power not a person; but the entire roman popuplation was happy because it fit in with their atheist religion which had triad's of GODS. This was all part of the great apostasy announced by Jesus : after the death of his 12 apostles christian who came from different background inserted things that were in their old false religion. Paul talks about the fact that it had begon during his stewardship and would get worst so by the time Constantine adopted the christian faith in order to unite his empire under one religion in the year 323 after Christ so after that in 323 the concile of Nicea aded to the great apostasy. LEARN YOUR HISTORY YOU WONT FALL INTO THE TRAP OF THOSE PROMOTING NON BIBLICAL TEACHING.
This is the same doctrine as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and other Christians have ridiculed them for 200 years for teaching that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are three distinct personages. The first vision brought this truth to light in an instant. We’ll said, my friend.
A clear and balanced explanation.
Here cuz I dont get it enough to explain it to my kids.
No one will ever explain something Paul called a twisted doctrine (Acts 20:30).
Stay with Jesus. He promised in his prayer to his God Jehovah:
(John 17:3) This means everlasting life, their coming TO KNOW YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
Jesus obviously can be known too.
Trying to explain the Trinity to kids is like telling them about Santa Claus. Both don't exist.
1. God the Father 👨
2. Son of God the Father 👨
3. Holy Spirit of God the Father 👨
John chapter one 1 verse 1 one =
[ in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God...
Now let's fix this to the exact way it's supposed to be =
In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was [ OF ] God
Notice the word
[ OF ]
this word means
Belonging to someone or something 🤔 😕 🙄 🙃 🙂 😅 🤔
This someone or something is
Only God the Father
Whenever you see the word
[ OF ] this word means
Belonging to someone or something which is God the Father
Also =
Holy Spirit [ OF ]
God
The Holy Spirit and the Son
Equals =
[ OF ] God
They both belong to God the Father 👨
Ok, then why is there no [ OF ]. You are rewriting Scripture!
Trinitarians still dont understand GOD is there FATHER
Jesus told the Pharisees that Satan was their Father (John 8:44).
Trinitarians cannot have a Father as they are confused on who God is.
Only Christians have Jehovah God as their Father.
(1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father,
@@jimjuri6490 Yes I agree👍
I hope someone can answer my question, this is very important for me. I always thought the father is not a part of the trinity instead he is the one in the middle. (picture at 1:52) Why did Jesus prayed to the father who is a "part" of the trinity and not to god? Why he is not praying to the one who is them all? I am reading the scripture daily, i am praying daily, i want to understand that on a deep level. Thanks and Amen!
I believe that only the Father is God. God has a name, which is represented by the four Hebrew letters YHWH, usually translated to English as Jehovah or Yahweh (Psalm 83:18). Jesus is God's Son. Jesus was "begotten" by God, or produced by God. He is God's "firstborn" (Col 1:15) and the beginning of the creation by God (Revelation 3:14). God the Father, on the other hand, does not have a beginning. (Psalm 90:2) 1 Corinthians 8:6 states, "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." Jesus is rightly called Lord since God is the one who made him Lord (Acts 2:36) and exalted him to the highest position (Phil 2:9) and gave him all authority over heaven and earth (Mat. 28:18), but Jesus is not the same as Almighty God. Jesus even refers to his Father on more than one occasion as "my God". (John 20:17, Rev 3:12) In John 17:3, Jesus prayed to his Father in heaven and called him "the only true God."
I think it's a bit different.
Jesus is Uncreated, and has always been with God the Father as seen
In the Gospel of John, we find a clear declaration of the preexistence of Christ: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" (John 1:1, NIV). This passage underscores that Jesus (the Word) existed eternally with God and as God, indicating His uncreated nature.
As God's word has always been with God, so has Jesus been with the Father eternally.
Now as to why Jesus called the Father greater than him or my God
Philippians 2
6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death
even death on a cross!
He was Always with God and was God but he reduced himself but after the crucifixion God the Father Again exhalted the Son to his Former Divine Glory.
@Servant_of_christ_777 In John 1:1 the word “theos” (god) appears two times. The first time when it refers to God it has the definite article “the” (ho theos). The second time when it refers to the Word it does not have a definite article. It is indefinite. This shows that God and the Word are not the same. That is why some Bible translators render the second part of the verse “and a god was the word” or “the word was divine.” Note also that John 1:1 says that "the Word was with God". Someone who is with another person is not the same as that other person.
The Bible also says that Jesus was created, whereas God was not created and does not have a beginning. Colossians 1:15 calls Jesus the “Firstborn of all creation” and Revelation 3:14 says that Jesus is the “beginning of the creation by God.”
The word "harpagmos" in Philippians 2:6 means the seizure or robbery of something that one does not possess. The New American Standard Bible translates it, "Did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped". The English Standard Version renders it, "Did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped," and the Good News Bible says, "He did not think that by force he should try to become equal with God." Jesus set an example for us by not attempting to be equal to God in any way but rather humbling himself. Also, how could Jesus be equal with God since Philippians 2:9 says that after his resurrection, “God also hath highly exalted him”? Bear in mind that the ultimate purpose for Jesus being exalted is to bring glory to God the Father. (Philippians 2:11)
@@jollyrancher521
1. The grammatical structure of John 1:1 in Greek ("kai theos ēn ho logos") follows a common construct in Koine Greek known as Colwell's Rule. When a predicate noun (e.g., "theos") precedes the verb (e.g., "ēn"), it does not require the definite article to convey definiteness.
Example: If "theos" had the definite article ("ho theos") in the second clause, it would have implied that the Word (Logos) is the entirety of God, excluding the Father. Instead, John 1:1 indicates that the Word shares the same divine essence as God without conflating the persons of the Trinity.
The proper translation is: "The Word was God," affirming the deity of the Word while distinguishing the Word from the Father.
The translation "a god" misunderstands the monotheistic framework of John's Gospel. In the context of Jewish monotheism, using "a god" would imply polytheism, which is inconsistent with the rest of Scripture (e.g., Deuteronomy 6:4, Isaiah 44:6).
"The Word was with God": This phrase highlights the relational distinction between the Father and the Son within the Trinity. Being "with" God does not deny that the Word is also divine but indicates a personal relationship.
2.The term "firstborn" (Greek: prototokos) does not imply creation but preeminence and rank.
In Jewish culture, the "firstborn" held the position of authority and inheritance, regardless of birth order (e.g., David is called the "firstborn" in Psalm 89:27, though he was the youngest of his brothers).
Colossians 1:16 clarifies the meaning: "For by Him all things were created." Jesus is the agent of creation, not a created being. The context demonstrates His supremacy over creation rather than inclusion within it.
3.The term harpagmos can also mean "something to be held onto or exploited." The verse indicates that although Jesus is equal with God, He did not cling to or exploit that equality but voluntarily humbled Himself in His incarnation.
This does not deny Jesus' deity but highlights His humility. Philippians 2:7-8 describes how Jesus "emptied Himself" and "humbled Himself," taking on human form, while still being fully divine (cf. Colossians 2:9: "For in Him all the fullness of deity dwells bodily").
4.The exaltation refers to Jesus' glorification in His resurrected and ascended state, not a change in His nature. As the eternal Son of God, He humbled Himself in the incarnation (Philippians 2:7-8) and was subsequently exalted to His rightful position of authority.
This exaltation does not imply inequality but demonstrates the Father's approval of the Son's obedience and mission. Jesus' exaltation brings glory to the Father (Philippians 2:11), consistent with the unity of purpose within the Trinity.
TLDR: 1) word and God have same essence
2) If through Jesus all was created, how is Jesus himself a created being?
Read the testimony of Jesus Christ. John 17:3
There is no trinity.
Read 1 John 5:7, explain that….😒
@@tuconexionlocal7516 YAHUAH is God. YAHUSHA is the Son of God. The Ruach Hakodesh is the Spirit of God.
Only YAHUAH is God.
@@Xpalatinae Read Romans 1:25
You are confusing the Creator with his creation. Worship the Creator, not his creation.
I read 1 John 5:7.
'There are 3 that testify'.
3 what?...3 gods?
Is that what is stated?@@tuconexionlocal7516
@@tuconexionlocal7516 1 John 5: 7 is a *blatant* Catholic forgery, everybody knows it. Just imagine, the BEST verse to proof the Trinity is a forgery. And *still* no bells ringing, right?
Ingredients for the Trinity: gentile theologians and gentile greek philosophers for no bible, or no jewish prophet,apostle or messiah would ever dare to come up with the doctrine of the trinity. another important ingredient for the trinity is the willingness to be not fully honest. any sane person who reads the bible would clearly see that the father is greater than the son and everyone and anyone. one needs a little dose of dishonesty to claim the father is equal to his son Jesus. and finally the most important ingredient for the trinity is the stick. I ve not come to a teaching about the trinity without some threatening to use the stick, which is threatening to call all those who disagree a follower of a heresy. the heresy stick goes always with the teaching of the trinity unlike any other teaching that’s actually found in the bible. “yet for us there is one God, the Father” 1 cor 8:6
Ingredients for misunderstanding the trinity: your whole comment 🤣 smh
God is like 3 strands woven into one rope
That’s pretty good
Is each strand a rope but itself?
Is each strand a rope by itself?
That's partialism
There is no Holy Trinity but there is HOLY ONE.
I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city. Hosea 11:9
You cannot compare God to anything. Not in 3 in 1 coffee, not on Solid, Liquid, Gas. ETC.
Isaiah 40:18 “To whom then will you liken God? Or what likeness will you compare with Him?”
Can you give me the name of the Father? The Son and Holy Spirit?
Who is your True Almighty God? The Father, The Son or Holy Spirit?
Where in the Bible you can find the word "God The Son". In The Bible you can only find "Son Of God"
How can you explain this verse? 1 Timothy 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen. (Who is it referring to?) Jesus died at the age of 33.
The Holy Scriptures speak mystery in revealing the real identity of God about who HE IS. But to people whom God had revealed Himself, this mystery is He unfolded to them as well. God's real identity is hidden in Christ, the ROCK of stumbling.
Also, the Scriptures tell about this mystery and the revelation of the ONLY ONE TRUE GOD, the LORD JESUS CHRIST.
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up in glory.
Anyone wants to know the truth?.. I will explain the Doctrine of The HOLY ONE according to the Bible. ( Holy One Doctrine is not Oneness or Unitarian or Dualism).
Job 6:10 Then should I yet have comfort; yea, I would harden myself in sorrow: let him not spare; for I have not concealed the words of the Holy One.
Psalm 71:22 I will also praise thee with the psaltery, even thy truth, O my God: unto thee will I sing with the harp, O thou Holy One of Israel.
Psalm 89:18-19 For the LORD is our defence; and the Holy One of Israel is our king.Then thou spakest in vision to thy holy one, and saidst, I have laid help upon one that is mighty; I have exalted one chosen out of the people.
Isaiah 5:19 and 24 That say, Let him make speed, and hasten his work, that we may see it: and let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw nigh and come, that we may know it! Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.
Isaiah 12:6 Cry out and shout, thou inhabitant of Zion: for great is the Holy One of Israel in the midst of thee.
Isaiah 17:7 At that day shall a man look to his Maker, and his eyes shall have respect to the Holy One of Israel.
Isaiah 40:25 To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.
Isaiah 43: 3 For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.
Isaiah 43:14 Thus saith the LORD, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; For your sake I have sent to Babylon, and have brought down all their nobles, and the Chaldeans, whose cry is in the ships.
Isaiah 43: 15 I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.
Isaiah 47:4 As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Israel.
Isaiah 54:5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
Ezekiel 39:7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.
Hab. 1:12 Art thou not from everlasting, O LORD my God, mine Holy One? we shall not die. O LORD, thou hast ordained them for judgment; and, O mighty God, thou hast established them for correction.
Acts 13:35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
1 Jn 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
I appreciate the video. The easiest way to explain the Trinity to a believer is, Father, Son and Holy Ghost. We are made in the image of God. Therefore, we have a Body, Soul, Conscious-Mind. I know the Trinity can ve hard to understand, but this came to me one day and it helped.
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John 1:1
"record" in heaven, not witness.
"...these three are one". One what? ...One Spirit of God (Jn. 4:24).
IJn. 5:8 "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."
The Spirit referenced in v. 7 is the same Spirit in v. 8. However, in v. 8 the Spirit "agrees" with the blood and water. Where do you think that occurs? In the body of Jesus.
@@Xpalatinaedo you know why it's not in most Bible translations?
@@wesleymarkmusic403Amen. That proves Jesus is God, co-eternal, but it doesn't prove the Trinity...
And if you're accurate, John 1:1 doesn't really explain what the Word is.
Pro tip: it's not just a name of God
The Unholy Trinity doctrine is FALSE.
JOHN 19:7
( Contemporary English Version )
"The crowd replied, "He claimed to be the Son of God! Our law says that he must be put to death."
THE SON OF GOD
[ Not God ]
PSALMS 83:18
(King James Version)
"That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth".
Jehovah ( ALONE )
is GOD.
Yes.
JEHOVAH is the most high.
Whereas Christ?... 'Jesus, thou Son of the most high God.' Mark 5:7.
@@SevenThunders-si4ci
Who ( GAVE ) Christ the Revelation ?
What does REVELATION 1:1 say?
(King James Bible)
"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"
** Did you see ?
GOD - [ Jehovah ]
- ( GAVE ) the Revelation to Christ Jesus.
@@KK-AA-YY Yes and agreed.
Do you think I say otherwise?
@@SevenThunders-si4ci
Idk you
John 5:18: "For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God." Being the Son of God means He is equal to God. But to be equal to God you must be God!
During Jesus' baptism, all three expressions of God were there at the same time.
@conradrichard1492 .. you don't know what you're talking about.
@Chris_Sheridan are you sure. Because Jesus was in water, God the Father was speaking from heaven, and God the Holy Spirit was in transit through the sky. On Earth, in heaven, in sky (below heaven and above Earth).
@@conradrichard1492 .. you've already failed - no scripture says 'God the Holy Spirit' - the spirit is not a person, it is God's active force and at Jesus' baptism it was symbolised as a dove descending from heaven (it was not in transit through the sky)
You appear to be extremely ignorant when it comes to bible knowledge.
At his baptism, Jesus was anointed with holy spirit - he then regained full knowledge of his pre-human existence in heaven alongside his Father and became aware of the ministry that he was about to undertake as God's perfect Son. He did not need to be taught at any of the Rabbinical schools, since his knowledge came direct from Almighty God by means of holy spirit.
Take note that at Pentecost 33 C.E holy spirit was poured out on Jesus' disciples enabling them to go out and preach the 'gospel' to the nations (gentiles - non-Jews) - a person cannot be poured out, making your misrepresentation total nonsense.
@Chris_Sheridan your hyperbole exacerbates me. Lol.
Boy, jump right to my intellectual prowess and your complete knowledge of it with two comments. You should do carnivals with that kind of gift God obviously gave you.
But seriously, do you recognize that there is a Triune Godhead?
@@conradrichard1492 .. Lol! - you fail already - it's not in the bible.
I think there was a mistake on description because trinity means Equal value or status that Father= Jesus = Holy Spirit.
Which is not.
Just an example is a tree. Where can you find that the Three is equal to its branch and the Three is equal to its leaves?
The best describe to it is... The branch and the leaves are part of the Three and they are in one body.
As the begotten son (his wisdom and power) and the Holy spirit is part of God and they are " in one Body".
Like our Spirit (as a portion of the breath of God), our Soul and Material Body is "in one Body" that belongs to our creator.
Because we created on his image like how he was composed with the "wisdom and power", holy spirit and Spiritual body in the most high heaven
Which was also the composition of his begotten Son (his Wisdom and Power)
That incarnated into flesh
With his wisdom and power, soul and holy material body.
😂 It’s time to let go of the confused mystery language of the Trinity doctrine.
Until we have proof of this imaginary god! lets go down the rabbit
hole as far as our little brains can!
There is no Holy Trinity but there is HOLY ONE.
I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city. Hosea 11:9
You cannot compare God to anything. Not in 3 in 1 coffee, not on Solid, Liquid, Gas. ETC.
Isaiah 40:18 “To whom then will you liken God? Or what likeness will you compare with Him?”
Can you give me the name of the Father? The Son and Holy Spirit?
Who is your True Almighty God? The Father, The Son or Holy Spirit?
Where in the Bible you can find the word "God The Son". In The Bible you can only find "Son Of God"
How can you explain this verse? 1 Timothy 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen. (Who is it referring to?) Jesus died at the age of 33.
The Holy Scriptures speak mystery in revealing the real identity of God about who HE IS. But to people whom God had revealed Himself, this mystery is He unfolded to them as well. God's real identity is hidden in Christ, the ROCK of stumbling.
Also, the Scriptures tell about this mystery and the revelation of the ONLY ONE TRUE GOD, the LORD JESUS CHRIST.
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up in glory.
Anyone wants to know the truth?.. I will explain the Doctrine of The HOLY ONE according to the Bible. ( Holy One Doctrine is not Oneness or Unitarian or Dualism).
Job 6:10 Then should I yet have comfort; yea, I would harden myself in sorrow: let him not spare; for I have not concealed the words of the Holy One.
Psalm 71:22 I will also praise thee with the psaltery, even thy truth, O my God: unto thee will I sing with the harp, O thou Holy One of Israel.
Psalm 89:18-19 For the LORD is our defence; and the Holy One of Israel is our king.Then thou spakest in vision to thy holy one, and saidst, I have laid help upon one that is mighty; I have exalted one chosen out of the people.
Isaiah 5:19 and 24 That say, Let him make speed, and hasten his work, that we may see it: and let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw nigh and come, that we may know it! Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.
Isaiah 12:6 Cry out and shout, thou inhabitant of Zion: for great is the Holy One of Israel in the midst of thee.
Isaiah 17:7 At that day shall a man look to his Maker, and his eyes shall have respect to the Holy One of Israel.
Isaiah 40:25 To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.
Isaiah 43: 3 For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.
Isaiah 43:14 Thus saith the LORD, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; For your sake I have sent to Babylon, and have brought down all their nobles, and the Chaldeans, whose cry is in the ships.
Isaiah 43: 15 I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.
Isaiah 47:4 As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Israel.
Isaiah 54:5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
Ezekiel 39:7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.
Hab. 1:12 Art thou not from everlasting, O LORD my God, mine Holy One? we shall not die. O LORD, thou hast ordained them for judgment; and, O mighty God, thou hast established them for correction.
Acts 13:35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
1 Jn 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
AND AGREE WITH THE DEVILS WHO BELIEVE GOD IS ONE, AND TREMBLE JAMES 2;19
@@AlfredGallegos-no4pb Not sure what side of the fence you are??
@@gknight4719 ANY ARGUMENT ABOUT A TRINITY IS NOT NESESSARY, EVERY PERSON ADHERING TO THE TRINITY NEEDS TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND DEAL WITH THE ISSUE OF FORGIVENESS OF SINS, AND WHAT THE BIBLE actualy teaches on this matter, first the LORD CHOSE 12 TO PREACH THE "GOSPEL" TO EVERY CREATURE, NO BIBLE CONTAINS THE SINNERS PRAYER, NOT ONE APOSTLE EVER HAD ANYONE REPEAT ANY SINNERS PRAYER. THE VERY FIRST PREACHING AND ALL CONVERSIONS RECORDED IN THE BIBLE WAS: REPENT, AND BE BAPTIZED, EVERY ONE OF YOU, IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS AND YE SHALL RECIEVE THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST. EVERY AND ANY CLAIMING THE TRINITY CANNOT, AND WILL NOT OBEY ACTS 2;38 AND GOBS OF OTHER SCRIPTURE AS IN ACTS, ROMANS, GALATIANS, EPHESIANS, AND EVEN 1 PETER CHAPTER 3 WHERE BIBLE SCRIPTURE SAYS BAPTISN DOES ALSO NOW SAVE US. THE REAL QUESTION IS THIS: ARE YOU A CHRISTIAN AT ALL IN THE FIRST PLACE? JESUS SAID IN MARK 16;16 THAT UNLESS YOU BELIEVE AND ARE: "BAPTIZED" YOU WILL BE DAMNED, IVE REALIZED WE NEED TO STAY ON THIS BASIC STEP WITH ANY SO CALLED TRINITARIAN, THERE IS NO ANSWER THAT THEY CAN EVER HOPE TO PROVIDE, THE TRINITY IS JUST, AN OURIGHT DEVILS LIE, BECAUSE EVEN DEVILS KNOW GOD IS ONE, BIBLE SCRIPTURE SAYS SO IN JAMES 2;19
3 persons = 3 personalities = polytheism
1 being, monotheism
1 God, Monotheism...God is incomprehensible to the minds of men
There is 3 person and they all sharing the same nature. Co-eternal
thank you for some common sense.
, THE BIBLE NEVER SHOWS ANY PERSON REPEATING A SINNERS PRAYER, , , WE CAN LEAVE THE SUBJECT OF THE TRINITY OUT OF IT AND JUST ASK, what MUST I DO TO BE SAVED? THE JAILER IN ACTS 16;23-33 ITS RIGHT THERE IN THE BIBLE TO SEE, PAUL AND SILUS ANSWERED : BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THOU SHALT BE SAVED, BELIEVING ALONE T DOES NOT SAVE, THE NEXT 2 VERSES DEMONSTRATE WHAT SAVING FAITH DOES: AND THEY SPAKE UNTO HIM THE WORD OF THE LORD, AND TO ALL THAT WERE IN HIS HOUSE, AND HE TOOK THEM THE SAME HOUR OF THE NIGHT, AND WASHED THEIR STRIPES, (AND WAS BAPTIZED, ACTS 2;38) HE AND ALL HIS STRAIGHTWAY. WE CAN READ IN THE BIBLE, THAT PAUL NEVER TOLD THE JAILOR THE HE NEEDED TO ACCEPT OR RECIEVE THE LORD AS A PERSONAL SAVIOR, HE NEVER HAD HIM REPEAT THE SINNERS PRAYER FOUND IN EVERY TRINITARIAN CHICK PUBLICATIANS TRACT. ACTS 2;38 DOESNT ONLY APPEAR IN ACTS 2;38 ITS ALL OVER , EVERY PERSON CONVERTED AND WHO BECAME A "CHRISTIAN"ACTS 11;26 WAS BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST , IN ACTS 22;16 PAUL RECOUNTS HIS OWN CONVERSION ACCORDING TO ACTS 2;38 IN HIS OWN WORDS; ROMANS 6;1-6 EPHESIANS 4;3-6 BUT, THAT SAID, HOW MANY FOLKS CLAIMING THE TRINITY WILL ACTUALY OPEN THE BIBLE AND READ THIS FOR THEMSELVES? NOT MANY, A VAST MAJORITY ARE FABRICATING A COMEBACK INSTEAD, NOT REALIZING ITS GODS WORD, AND THEREFORE GOD HIMSELF THEY ARE FIGHTING, WILL YOU DEAR READER BE BOLD ENOUPH TO CHECK UP ON THIS AND SEE IF IT IS SO? GOOGLE EVERY BAPTIZM IN THE BIBLE NOBODY IS EVER BAPTIZED IN 3 ANYTHING AS IN MATHEW 28;19 AM I AGAINST 28;19? NO! JESUS IS THE FATHER ISAIAH 9;6 HE IS THE SON, ISAIAH 9;6 HE IS "THE MIGHTY GOD" ISAIAH 9;6 FATHER SON AND HOLY GHOST ARE TITLES, NOT NAMES AND MATHEW 28;19 READS BAPTIZING THEM IN THE NAME (SINGULAR) JAMES 2;19 SAYS THOU BELIEVEST THERE IS ONE GOD, THOU DOEST WELL, THE DEVILS ALSO BELIEVE, AND TREMBLE ROMANS 6;1-6 PROVES THE ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT IS WRITTEN TO AND FOR THOSE WHO HAVE (PST TENSE) ALREADY BEEN BAPTIZED, UNDER 2 OR 3 WITNESESS, EVERY WORD SHALL BE ESTABLISHED, GALATIANS 3;26-27 READ THUS:FOR YOU ARE ALL THE CHILDREN OF GOD BY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST. IS IT ONLY BY THAT FAITH? NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. THE VERY NEXT VERSE READS:FOR AS MANY OF YOU AS HAVE BEEN (PAST TENSE) BAPTIZED (PST TENSE) INTO CHRIST HAVE PUT ON CHRIST. I REPEAT THE ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT (THATS AFTER THE RESURECTION) IS WRITTEN SPECIFICLY AND DIRECTLY TO THOSE, ONLY THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN BAPTIZED AS IN ACTS 2;38 HOW MUCH OF ME, MYSELF HAVE I JUST POSTED? OR DID I NOT PRESENT ONLY BIBLE SCRIPTURE? IN CONCLUSION, I MENTIONED THAT FATHER SON AND HOLY GHOST ARE TITLES NOT NAMES THATS WHY, SHOCKER, YOU WONT FIND THE APOSTLES TO WHOM MAT 28;19 WAS BEING SPOKEN TO BY JESUS EVER, AND NEVER BAPTIZED ANYONE IN 3 ANYTHING , DO THE APOSTLES SOUND LIKE TRINITARIANS TO YOU? WERE THEY BAFOONS WHO DISOBEYED GOD, WHO IS JESUS, AND POOR OL GOD WAS JUST HELPLESS TO STOP ALL THIS? PICTURE IT: OH NO YOU STUPID APOSTLES! WHY ARENT YOU TEACHING THEM THE SINNERS PRAYER? AND YOU FORGOT TO TELL THEM IM ONLY A SECOND PERSON IN A TRINITY! (... CRICKETS CHIRPING)
There is no 'Trinity' - Jesus never taught it - the apostles never taught it - genuine Christians don't teach false doctrine.
YES THAT IS CORRECT NOTHING CHRISTIAN ABOUT A SO CALLED TRINITY PEOPLE WHO CLAIM THE TRINITY WILL FIGHT AGAINST ALL BIBLE SCRIPTURE YOU PRESENT, THEY ARE AGAINST THE TRUTH OF GOS WORD
GODS WORD SORRY
@@AlfredGallegos-no4pb .. FYI - you should be sorry if you deny God's word - the bible is truth - it doesn't teach a 'Trinity'.
@@Chris_Sheridan there must be a misunderstanding i keep saying exactly that, the bible contains nothing about any trinity, perhaps u confused me with someone elses post?
@@AlfredGallegos-no4pb .. you posted 'God's Word Sorry' to my previous post - why?
0:00 intro what is the trinity
2:35 bad analogies
6:12 good analogy
Excellent video. Thank you.
One Divine Person, manifesting in 3 principle PERSONAS! Let's purify our terms & accompanying conceptualizations!
So the water in the triple point would be a better analogy?
Still "transforming" and not "coexisting".
God gave me a vision for an explanation. Im an electrician so I guess He used this to show me. He showed me an electrical bridge plug with 3 plug points that we use in our homes. In the vision, I simply saw myself holding this plug. I understood that God was using this to give me an understanding of the trinity to explain to other people.
A 3 bridge plug gets plugged to the wall socket and receives power from a single plug-in point. Each of the 3 bridges will make a lamp shine equally bright no matter which point you plug it into.
If you plug 3 similar lamps into all three plug-in points, they will all shine equally bright.
Each plug-in point is equally a distribution of power no matter which one is used.
The one plug-in point that is on the bridge plug represents the ONE nature of God while the 3 sockets represent the 3 manners in which we experience God as Father, Son and Spirit, each one equally able to distribute the same power.
This was a simple yet profound explanation for me.
Just gotta love the Lord.
Yet it's nothing but a justification for a myth.
God bless you Prof What do you think about this explanation of trinity 1G+1G+1G=3G ??
Raised Catholic, but nowadays I don't believe in anything of this kind, however I made a smile when the 3 circles were mentioned because in my mind it was my construction too, when it was being said that it wasn't any of the previous illustrations, but I added a lit something, and even that was showed in the video, which was they combining, moving, inwards, for that overlapping... Ahahaha! For those who believe, or simply those that want to have the philosophical discussion, good video!
So H20 at its triple point?
At the triple point (given temp and pressure) H2O exists as all three simulatenously! That’s not modalism. Modalism is water existing as water at one time, ice at another and vapor at another. The truth and reality is that a finite creature cannot “understand” what’s infinite. What we know about God is what He revealed about Himself.
No, because that isn't water coexisting that is water transforming.
Sincere question: how can the pillar of distinction be justified in light of scriptures such as John 14:15-18, for instance?
Jesus says (paraphrasing) I will pray to the Father, and he shall send another Comforter, the Spirit of truth. Then in verse 18, Jesus says, I will not leave you comfortless, I (emphasis on Jesus) will come to you. This implies that Jesus, the Son, is also the Comforter, the Spirit. There are many more verses in the Bible where the Scutum Fidei cannot hold up regarding “the Son is not the Father,” and so on. This is just one example.
Thoughts?
Amen you got it ! Colossians 2:9 in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily . Jesus is God wrapped in flesh . There’s no such thing as 3 persons , 3 gods.
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 ¶ Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? John 14:8
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear O Israel the Lord our God is One Lord 🙏
Jesus is really speaking to you . Flesh and blood did not reveal it to you 🙏
Look for an apostolic Pentecostal church , you will not regret it .
just wait until God fills you with His Holy Spirit !! ( not that ‘accepting Jesus in my heart ‘ doctrine ) but a full experience straight from the book of Acts !
@@honeybunny5456 I pastor one. 😁 loved your response!
Hahaha praise God ! 😂🙏
@@honeybunny5456Yes! Exactly this. Also, Mary conceived of the Holy Spirit. If that’s the case, then who is the Father of Jesus? The Holy Spirit? This whole “pillar of distinction” stuff is ridiculous. The answer is and always has been very simple. As Colossians 1:15 states, “The Son is the image of the invisible God…” Jesus is God in flesh. No distinction in person. There’s the spirit of God (who we are to worship in spirit and in truth) and then God gives Himself a way to interact with humanity. Just as we have a body that gives us access to this world, so God wrapped Himself in flesh to dwell among us. Jesus was not God’s whipping boy, sent to do His dirty work. God Himself came and paid the ultimate sacrifice for our sin. Not only is this clear, and simple, but it’s a much more powerful illustration of God’s love for us. He redeemed us Himself. Funny that the church tends to consider this view “heresy”, as the traditional view of the “trinity” sure sounds like “idolatry” to me. 😅
I have a question about your Trinity. In the Trinity, first person father second person son third person Holy Ghost, which one was the father to Jesus Christ?
Awesome illustration. I do have a question, though, as a Christian that I can't seem to find the answer to. In the Bible, it says that ONLY God the father knows the exact time of the second coming of Christ? Not Jesus nor the Holy Spirit but only God the father. Am i missing something ? Can you please explain this ? Thank you.
Re the water analogy for the Holy Trinity, water CAN in fact exist in all three phases simultaneously at particular temperature and pressure, this occurs at the TRIPLE POINT of water.
I was going to at least mention this. But if Dr. Ware is aware of it (you'd think he would be since Dr. Walter Martin used it quite often), he probably decided it would take too much time to explain why he didn't think it was a good analogy. It fails, because it is impossible for any particular water molecule (let alone a group of them) to 'simultaneously' be all three phases! You can find different ones in different phases in the container, but it's impossible for any given _unit_ of water to be all three at the same time! In reality, it's an analogy for "Modalism"; that water can be 3 phases, but not all 3 at the same time... or perhaps "partialism," where the water is divided up into 3 different phases.
, THE BIBLE NEVER SHOWS ANY PERSON REPEATING A SINNERS PRAYER, , , WE CAN LEAVE THE SUBJECT OF THE TRINITY OUT OF IT AND JUST ASK, what MUST I DO TO BE SAVED? THE JAILER IN ACTS 16;23-33 ITS RIGHT THERE IN THE BIBLE TO SEE, PAUL AND SILUS ANSWERED : BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THOU SHALT BE SAVED, BELIEVING ALONE T DOES NOT SAVE, THE NEXT 2 VERSES DEMONSTRATE WHAT SAVING FAITH DOES: AND THEY SPAKE UNTO HIM THE WORD OF THE LORD, AND TO ALL THAT WERE IN HIS HOUSE, AND HE TOOK THEM THE SAME HOUR OF THE NIGHT, AND WASHED THEIR STRIPES, (AND WAS BAPTIZED, ACTS 2;38) HE AND ALL HIS STRAIGHTWAY. WE CAN READ IN THE BIBLE, THAT PAUL NEVER TOLD THE JAILOR THE HE NEEDED TO ACCEPT OR RECIEVE THE LORD AS A PERSONAL SAVIOR, HE NEVER HAD HIM REPEAT THE SINNERS PRAYER FOUND IN EVERY TRINITARIAN CHICK PUBLICATIANS TRACT. ACTS 2;38 DOESNT ONLY APPEAR IN ACTS 2;38 ITS ALL OVER , EVERY PERSON CONVERTED AND WHO BECAME A "CHRISTIAN"ACTS 11;26 WAS BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST , IN ACTS 22;16 PAUL RECOUNTS HIS OWN CONVERSION ACCORDING TO ACTS 2;38 IN HIS OWN WORDS; ROMANS 6;1-6 EPHESIANS 4;3-6 BUT, THAT SAID, HOW MANY FOLKS CLAIMING THE TRINITY WILL ACTUALY OPEN THE BIBLE AND READ THIS FOR THEMSELVES? NOT MANY, A VAST MAJORITY ARE FABRICATING A COMEBACK INSTEAD, NOT REALIZING ITS GODS WORD, AND THEREFORE GOD HIMSELF THEY ARE FIGHTING, WILL YOU DEAR READER BE BOLD ENOUPH TO CHECK UP ON THIS AND SEE IF IT IS SO? GOOGLE EVERY BAPTIZM IN THE BIBLE NOBODY IS EVER BAPTIZED IN 3 ANYTHING AS IN MATHEW 28;19 AM I AGAINST 28;19? NO! JESUS IS THE FATHER ISAIAH 9;6 HE IS THE SON, ISAIAH 9;6 HE IS "THE MIGHTY GOD" ISAIAH 9;6 FATHER SON AND HOLY GHOST ARE TITLES, NOT NAMES AND MATHEW 28;19 READS BAPTIZING THEM IN THE NAME (SINGULAR) JAMES 2;19 SAYS THOU BELIEVEST THERE IS ONE GOD, THOU DOEST WELL, THE DEVILS ALSO BELIEVE, AND TREMBLE ROMANS 6;1-6 PROVES THE ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT IS WRITTEN TO AND FOR THOSE WHO HAVE (PST TENSE) ALREADY BEEN BAPTIZED, UNDER 2 OR 3 WITNESESS, EVERY WORD SHALL BE ESTABLISHED, GALATIANS 3;26-27 READ THUS:FOR YOU ARE ALL THE CHILDREN OF GOD BY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST. IS IT ONLY BY THAT FAITH? NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. THE VERY NEXT VERSE READS:FOR AS MANY OF YOU AS HAVE BEEN (PAST TENSE) BAPTIZED (PST TENSE) INTO CHRIST HAVE PUT ON CHRIST. I REPEAT THE ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT (THATS AFTER THE RESURECTION) IS WRITTEN SPECIFICLY AND DIRECTLY TO THOSE, ONLY THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN BAPTIZED AS IN ACTS 2;38 HOW MUCH OF ME, MYSELF HAVE I JUST POSTED? OR DID I NOT PRESENT ONLY BIBLE SCRIPTURE? IN CONCLUSION, I MENTIONED THAT FATHER SON AND HOLY GHOST ARE TITLES NOT NAMES THATS WHY, SHOCKER, YOU WONT FIND THE APOSTLES TO WHOM MAT 28;19 WAS BEING SPOKEN TO BY JESUS EVER, AND NEVER BAPTIZED ANYONE IN 3 ANYTHING , DO THE APOSTLES SOUND LIKE TRINITARIANS TO YOU? WERE THEY BAFOONS WHO DISOBEYED GOD, WHO IS JESUS, AND POOR OL GOD WAS JUST HELPLESS TO STOP ALL THIS? PICTURE IT: OH NO YOU STUPID APOSTLES! WHY ARENT YOU TEACHING THEM THE SINNERS PRAYER? AND YOU FORGOT TO TELL THEM IM ONLY A SECOND PERSON IN A TRINITY! (... CRICKETS CHIRPING)
God does not go through three different states. The Persons of the Holy Trinity coexist; the different forms water may take cannot. Water cannot be ice, liquid, and steam at the same time. It may be between two stages, such as when ice is melting, or at the triple point of water but this isn't coexisting, it's transforming.
@@rlhicks1 Correct! Appealing as the analogy is, as I replied above: "It fails, because it is impossible for any particular water molecule (let alone a group of them) to 'simultaneously' be all three phases! "
I get all this but what I struggle to understand is how Jesus’ portrayed “the father” as someone he seems to adheres or listens to.. so I am not sure is he saying it to “teach” us mortals how we ought to behave or approach “the Father”. Here’s an example, Jon.12:49 “For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment-what to say and what to speak.” Here the way I see it, seems like the Father is the mind or planner and the Son is like the executive branch carrying out (action part) of that plan.
Another one: Mk. 13:32
“But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” - again, the mind part of the master planner undisclosed (partly) even to Jesus.
So I am not sure how to see it correctly, if Jesus said that given the context of that moment (half mortal half god..thus some heavenly connection signal loss.. a bit) or He is really saying it literally that despite He is part of God head, there’s a system on how they operate and that information is not made available yet by the Father to Jesus and any heavenly members.
So in all these example and other similar scripture passages,
it shaped my mind that the Father is like a … “The Father!“😅 like the big boss in the family. I’m a bit both scared or respectful of my own dad so this is my nearest quickest way to latch my brain to this idea that’s why honestly I am quite fearful of the Father’s enigmatic persona.. that scares me. So I am praying a lot to Jesus, more accessible like big brother we can relate to and would be my friend to protect & spare me from the Father’s wrath one day. Jesus said it: “Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.” 😬 😅
Correct me if I’m wrong but I think the trinity is like the 3d plane, the 3d plain is one but it is 3 distinct planes, if you separate one from the others it is still a complete plane by itself, it’s not perfect but I’m not sure if I’m committing heresy or not.
@Trey-x6f My friend, you are wrong. You are still trying to build upon a foundation of falsehood. The trinity doctrine was a separate foundation layed on the fourth century. They did not build upon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets (Ephesians 2:20). This is why we are having these endless debates.
The trinity is Satan's masterpiece when it comes to the twisting of God's Word. The Lord forewarned that many would come in His name saying, I am Christ, and would DECEIVE MANY. We did not hear that, and many other scriptures, that's why we are confused. God is not the author of confusion. The gospel is very simple. We are forbidden to add or subtract from the Word, but isn't that what men do at Satan's bidding.
The Bible progressively reveals God from the first instance when we saw Him in action as Spirit and Word in Genesis 1:1-3. God never changed. There is no change in God, He remains the same. He is One God, who is a Spirit (John 4:24). On the pages of the scriptures, it was the Spirit [Father] who sent the Word as Son into the physical realm, where He would have to have a body to be legal in earth realm. Spirits are not allto operate in earth realm without a body. That is why demons try to possess humans to afford them legally. God is not three. The Word and the Spirit cannot be separated. Jesus is the Word of God. Anyone who teaches otherwise is a heretic. Please note that the Word went back to the SENDER. Read the Bible and stop listening to foolish men.
Best Explanation I've heard of the Trinity in my 30 years walk with Jesus Christ .
There is no Holy Trinity but there is HOLY ONE.
I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city. Hosea 11:9
You cannot compare God to anything. Not in 3 in 1 coffee, not on Solid, Liquid, Gas. ETC.
Isaiah 40:18 “To whom then will you liken God? Or what likeness will you compare with Him?”
Can you give me the name of the Father? The Son and Holy Spirit?
Who is your True Almighty God? The Father, The Son or Holy Spirit?
Where in the Bible you can find the word "God The Son". In The Bible you can only find "Son Of God"
How can you explain this verse? 1 Timothy 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen. (Who is it referring to?) Jesus died at the age of 33.
The Holy Scriptures speak mystery in revealing the real identity of God about who HE IS. But to people whom God had revealed Himself, this mystery is He unfolded to them as well. God's real identity is hidden in Christ, the ROCK of stumbling.
Also, the Scriptures tell about this mystery and the revelation of the ONLY ONE TRUE GOD, the LORD JESUS CHRIST.
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up in glory.
Anyone wants to know the truth?.. I will explain the Doctrine of The HOLY ONE according to the Bible. ( Holy One Doctrine is not Oneness or Unitarian or Dualism).
Job 6:10 Then should I yet have comfort; yea, I would harden myself in sorrow: let him not spare; for I have not concealed the words of the Holy One.
Psalm 71:22 I will also praise thee with the psaltery, even thy truth, O my God: unto thee will I sing with the harp, O thou Holy One of Israel.
Psalm 89:18-19 For the LORD is our defence; and the Holy One of Israel is our king.Then thou spakest in vision to thy holy one, and saidst, I have laid help upon one that is mighty; I have exalted one chosen out of the people.
Isaiah 5:19 and 24 That say, Let him make speed, and hasten his work, that we may see it: and let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw nigh and come, that we may know it! Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.
Isaiah 12:6 Cry out and shout, thou inhabitant of Zion: for great is the Holy One of Israel in the midst of thee.
Isaiah 17:7 At that day shall a man look to his Maker, and his eyes shall have respect to the Holy One of Israel.
Isaiah 40:25 To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.
Isaiah 43: 3 For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.
Isaiah 43:14 Thus saith the LORD, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; For your sake I have sent to Babylon, and have brought down all their nobles, and the Chaldeans, whose cry is in the ships.
Isaiah 43: 15 I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.
Isaiah 47:4 As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Israel.
Isaiah 54:5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
Ezekiel 39:7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.
Hab. 1:12 Art thou not from everlasting, O LORD my God, mine Holy One? we shall not die. O LORD, thou hast ordained them for judgment; and, O mighty God, thou hast established them for correction.
Acts 13:35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
1 Jn 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
I want to tell you the fascinating story about when the Trinity verse was added to the Bible. This is a well-documented fact, detailed in "Whose Word Is It?: The Story Behind Who Changed the New Testament and Why" by Professor Bart Ehrman, an expert in biblical textual criticism.
In the 16th century, Erasmus, a Dutch scholar, produced the first printed edition of the Greek New Testament. The New Testament was originally written in Greek, but had been translated into Latin over the centuries. Erasmus aimed to create a critical scholarly edition based on Greek texts, relying mainly on late medieval manuscripts from the 12th century.
Erasmus’s edition of the Greek New Testament was later used by the translators of the King James Bible and other versions until the end of the 19th century. However, the Greek manuscripts Erasmus used were not of high quality and were produced about eleven hundred years after the originals. For example, his main manuscript for the gospels included the story of the woman taken in adultery and the last verses of Mark, which were not part of the original gospels.
One key passage missing from Erasmus’s manuscripts was 1 John 5:7-8, known as the Johannine Comma, which explicitly supports the doctrine of the Trinity. This passage is found in Latin Vulgate manuscripts but not in the majority of Greek manuscripts. The King James Version includes this verse: "For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one."
Bart Ehrman notes, "The Greek manuscripts that Erasmus used were not of the best quality... produced some eleven hundred years after the originals." Erasmus did not find this verse in any Greek manuscripts he consulted, so he omitted it from his first edition. This omission outraged theologians of his time, who accused him of tampering with the text. Erasmus reportedly agreed to include the verse in future editions if a Greek manuscript containing it could be produced. Consequently, a Greek manuscript was created in the 16th century, likely by translating the Latin text into Greek. Despite his reservations, Erasmus included the verse in subsequent editions.
These editions formed the basis for the King James Bible and other translations for centuries. The phrase "Textus Receptus" refers to this widely accepted form of the Greek text, despite its reliance on inferior manuscripts. Modern textual scholars now insist on using older and better manuscripts to base the Greek New Testament on scientific principles.
The Textus Receptus, though still revered by some fundamentalists, is based on late medieval manuscripts, whereas earlier manuscripts, such as the Codex Sinaiticus, do not contain the Johannine Comma or other later additions. Ehrman explains, "This passage... states the doctrine directly and succinctly," but it "was not in Erasmus's primary manuscript or in any of the others that he consulted." This realization challenges the solid basis for the Trinity doctrine in the Bible, making it difficult for some Christians to accept.
Love it, thank you!
Interesting explanations. With regards to H2O, you have, of course, the trifold point of water where all three phases exist together. In this case, they all exist together but they are not the same.
I'm still trying to k ow how to explain it to my daughter but I've crudely said it like bread: water, yeast, and flour. Three parts are distinct, but without one ingredient, bread can't be made.
Though I've often tried to understand the Trinity through analogies, I think that visual diagram is much more effective and accurate than all of the various analogies people try to come up with.
Thanks for the teaching, very informative!
Not to fight or cause arguments, but for learning purposes I would like to ask: When we get to heaven, who will we find on the Throne? The Father or The Son or The Spirit or One of them representing all 3 or all 3 on the same Throne or 3 Thrones?
try to remember : the Devil twisted god's word and influenced 2 perfect human being to turn their back on God if you believe in the trinity you dont know the holy scriptures
Thank you
Great to hear you on this platform Bruce!
THE CALCULATOR SAY 1 THE FATHER + 1 THE SON + 1 THE HOLY GHOST = ARE 3 GODS AND THE DUMBERS SAYS IS 1
Ok I get a lot of what he said but my question is when the Trinity start if Jesus was born later. What is the timeline of God Holy Spirit and Jesus?
It is possible to have water that exists simultaneously in 3 different phases: solid, liquid, and gas at the same time under a condition which they called the Triple Point of Water.
Acts 2:22 how do you fit that into the Trinity how do you fit Romans 10: 9 and 10 into the Trinity how do you fit John 17 into the trinity how do you fit John 14 into the Trinity
This is so good!
So, are there three deities? Thankful for answers
This may be the best video on the trinity I've seen.
It does seem however that the word ‘God’ used in the illustration (The Father not The Son not The Spirit etc) equates the word God with ‘divine nature’
Obviously this is an effort to understand God so he aught not fit into human comprehension
However it is interesting to compare these ideas to the testimony of scripture
well when you do compare them you will find they are a blasphemous lie.
Circle analogue is very perfect... Reality yet to be explored...
would a fractal structure be an apt analogy where each part is identical to the whole yet distinct? Instead of just a triangle a serpenski triangle where each part is identical to the whole? The only problem is scale meaning that while there is a unity in shape they are not the same size as the original triangle. But like the overlapping circles each triangle can perfectly be overlapped with each other. The trinity is present throughout the old testament in genesis, exodus, proverbs and psalms and sorta in the book of wisdom of solomon. But the Trinity is the most realistic description of God that exist because it is beyong our full comprehension and any god that can be fully understood by a human mind is a god created by a human mind. That which can not be fully grasped by the human mind is from beyond the human mind.
It is still inadequate but water does have a “triple point” a temperature and pressure at which liquid water, ice and water vapor all exist simultaneously.
Not to mention, getting hit on the head with a bag of solid ice water is not the same as getting hit with a bag of water.
What about the egg analogy do you find that useful and accurate
NO.
@@annieBBL24 wasn’t looking for a response from you but thank you
What about three sets of clones at different ages as in the film series foundation. Each person is the exact same but each is separate and at different ages.
Aha! I was hoping you were going to take it one step further. If you mix red, green, and blue what do you get, white. They are all distinctly different but make up something unique when seen together in their unity.
Great video, and thanks for sharing.
1.Could we also use the analogy of the Sun - that is, the entity itself (the solar disc, if you will) and the heat and the light that emanates from it ? Each is distinct, yet one in nature; and
2.Whilst it holds true absolutely, that the Father is not the Son (repeat for each Person of the Holy Trinity), however, the Father is God, the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God, then is true to say that God is not the Son, not the Father, not the Holy Spirit, otherwise we would then have three Gods? Many thanks.
You dont need to go too far to the sun; a simple bulb would do, wouldnt it?
@sethsuleiman4419
Lol. These concepts are deeply mysterious, and the Lord has given us to understand what He has revealed to us at this time.
Hopefully, it's a light bulb moment for you.
Please read the book Divinity and Electricity.