So much here! I was born and raised a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and while that church no longer practices polygamy, it is still taught as a true principal of God that He uses when He needs it for His purposes. A few years ago I started questioning my faith- and the LDS history surrounding polygamy was a big part of that. I was shocked when I learned that at no time had God actually commanded polygamy. Fast forward to now, and I've stepped in to a more real relationship with the God found in the bible. More than polygamy or any other issue, the catalyst for this was the doctrine of undeserved salvation by grace through faith. The story of the woman taken in adultery is such a good example of God in the flesh "not condemning" a person who deserved condemnation, and not because of anything she had done to deserve His forgiveness.
I too was L-dS. God gave commandments that approved and regulated. The only people he specifically commanded to live polygyny were Hagar and Hosea. The issue with the woman at the well story is that there is no evidence she actually was an adulteress. It was thy lying Pharasees that made that claim. And even if she was guilty she couldn't be condemned because there were no witnesses and the adulterer was never brought. If Jesus condemned her it would have been a miscarriage of justice. The message of this story isn't overlooking sin, it's about maintaining the precepts of Law.
Isolfitness Abraham and Jacob are called righteous by the almighty. And is seated at the table in heaven. You should be careful in condemning someone or something that God does not call sin because you don’t like it. You put yourself on the level with God in doing so
@@Jericho-xs3ju the fact that you see me condemning anyone is ridiculous. Only someone with the mentality of a 4 year old would say such a thing because I stated that not where. Everyone that puts their faith in God is called righteous, but they are all sinners saved by Grace. Jacob and Abraham were sinners saved by grace. The problem is that you do not know your Bible very well. Now shoo. Move one now.
@ and if women don’t like it then God doesn’t like it. God created women to be jealous. It’s evil to not be jealous and it offends the blessed femininity that God created. To be feminine is to know that her husbands body belongs to her 1 Corinthians 7:4. You are a classic narcissist twisting God’s word to suit your narrative to be a pig.
Polygamy is a problem for harmonious living: 1. jealousy between wives, 2. Lineage equity (treatment of children, inheritance), 3. Worship of sex (another god), 4. lack of peace in the family, 5. multiple conflicting life-style agendas, 6.frequency of sex per wife (favorites), 7. Expensive lifestyle houses cars food education etc 8. I can only see polygamy as beneficial providing labor necessary to run the family business (farm), Be fruitful and multiply, a man can multiple more times per year than a woman, therefore having many wives / concubines means many progeny... which means powerful societal dominions
@@waneframe Actually it improves the ability to obey the first command--"BE FRUITFUL AND MULTIPLY" So you are speaking the truth that Obedience is NOT a sin! It should be promoted as obedience to Gods command if you have the money and patience for 5 to 20 wives!!??
"Polygamy is a problem for harmonious living:" It's not. And when is "harmonious living" commanded in scripture. "1. jealousy between wives" Jealousy only occurs because women think their own their husband. They don't. "2 Lineage equity (treatment of children, inheritance)," God already told me who have multiple wives how to do this correctly. "3 Worship of sex (another god)," It's not sex worship. "4 lack of peace in the family," A weak man will not have peace on his family even with one wife. Lack of peace in the family is a sign of a weak man not leading his women. "5. multiple conflicting life-style agendas," That's not a thing. "6.frequency of Sex per wife (favorites)," Women have different libidos. "7 Expensive lifestyle houses cars food education etc" More people in the family to provide money. "8 can only See polygamy as beneficial providing labor necessary to run the family business (farm)," That IS a beneficial thing. "J Be fruitful and multiply, a man can multiple more times per year than a woman J therefore having many wives concubines means many progeny. which means powerful societal dominions" Yes.
Why did God call judea and israel as his two wives if he is against polygyny? If God is against polygyny then why did he not say to any polygynist a single word that he he doesnot like polygyny?, but he blessed them all. Why did moses practice polygyny and regulate polygyny when God doesnot like it. Is God confused or the church leaders confused? Nowadays men like adultery and prostitution and that is why they are against polygyny. Polygyny is expensive while adultery and prostitution are cheaper.
This man is lying about the scriptures. Polygyny is one of the most beneficial and holy arrangement in biblical marriage. He is literally misquoting scriptures in real time
@Fatelvis2 Polygamy can greatly benefit modern women. For a personal discussion on these blessings, please take a look at my two part episodes called "How Polygyny Suits Female Hypergamy better than Monogamy" , where I list ten of the reasons. 🙂
@@michaeleasley5019 it’s isn’t a sin it isn’t stated nor does it contradict anything. The most that you can say is that it doesn’t aline with good principle but that’s almost completely opinionated. In Europe where Christianity began they were a monogamous society so ofc they saw polygamy as bad. If it began in an African society the perspective of polygamy being a sin would be quite different. When the religion went from Judaism to Christianity, laws weren’t the center of the religion it became more of what’s within your heart. It’s one thing to follow rules but it’s another thing to have a moral compass that you follow. There are a couple of situations where u could probably coin the participation of polygyny a sin; law of the land, the principle of being loving to your wife, and the church having authority to make acts become sin.
Polygyny is Not a sin and nowhere in the bible it is said to be a sin, rather it was regulated and practiced., it is church who calls it as a sin because they are after our money
I only have one problem with this teaching.. its not addressing the cause of sin in general..The reason Jesus went to calvary is not because King David had many wives... its also because of many other sins people had committed and blood of sheep and goat couldnt be enough to save mankind from Sin (Again which Sin in Particular) The sin that relates to man's overall fall... Jesus specifically is asked a question relating to divorce and He says In the beginning it was not so.. Beginning Refers to before the fall of man (1st Convenant btn God and man), We also know that in the first covenant man did not have sex with woman.. Job 14:16 Man that is born of a woman is of few days and full of trouble. 2 He cometh forth like a flower, and is cut down: he fleeth also as a shadow... So after the fall we know now man's nature is polygamous (fallen state) and this includes monogamists too.. Sex Law is by Polygamy in man.. If any man is against his own nature then he should go back to the beginning before the fall..
Practically every case of polygamy in the bible resulted in disaster. So, God did not have to issue a punishment for polygamy because polygamy comes with its own built-in punishment.
This false statement about many wives at one time for a husband ending in disaster has been pushed and promoted as the propaganda it is. God never said it was wrong or condemned the marital practice. Without question the Hebrew people were a polygamous people. The Bible describes Celibacy, Married to one Wife, and also the law given to Moses gives instructions if a man takes another wife. "Thus says the Lord". It's simply another form of marriage. Paul says it best. If you get married there will be trouble! Please remove the personal opinion and emotions and teach the scriptures according to what the word of God says. Our culture has turned something that Almighty God had influence on and built his own family Israel and has twisted it to promote it the contrary just like the symbolism of the rainbow. Please don't let someone else think for you except the Holy Spirit. Trust Him He will lead you into all truths!
You obviously didn’t watch the video. If the woman doesn’t like it then it is sin. A man is to honor and respect is wife’s wishes. It’s on the Bible. You should read those parts as well and not make a whole doctrine out of a few Bible verses.
ISO fitness … The Bible does not say that. If that’s the case if it’s a man’s wish but the woman does not do it. It’s a sin ? Or do you just make up sins ? Remember in Roman’s Paul’s states where there is no law there is no sin
ISO Coming from a person who tells people they have comprehension of 4 year olds and have no comprehension skills and insults those who disagree with him. 😂
Do not bring God into the matter of marriage. No wife will ever want his husband to bring another wife. Will a husband agree if his wife wants to bring another husband? So for a healthy family life stick to one husband and one wife.
The wife is not the master of the husband, so she doesn't eat to command the husband not to have anotehr wife. The wife having another husband is adultery (Lev 20:10)
There is no scripture that tells us monogamy is God's plan and design. A marriage covenant consists of one man and one woman. But men can have more than one marriage covenant.
@@MichaelEllisYTyes the wife has authority when it comes to sex. It’s in the Bible. You should read those parts as well and not make a whole doctrine of your choice verses.
Isofitnes Study your scripture. A woman having multiple men was mixing seed Where a man could have multiple wives and was no sin In addition the Bible never contradicts biology. A man could have and is biologically driven to mate with many women. Where a woman is not.
@@isolafitness Deuteronomy 22:22: ,Leviticus 20:10. but women in those older days were property of their one husband. its different now. However King David as a man could have wives since they all belonged to him and no other man.
@@MassiveBoyVenturesJn.4:17 "The woman answered and said, “I have no husband.” Jesus *said to her, “You have correctly said, ‘I have no husband’; 18 for you have had five husbands, and the one whom you now have is not your husband; this you have said truly.”
So according to the explanation I'm also not allowed to have more than 1 horse? Cause I believe the passage was refering to being (vain) like other nation, and not so much the quantity.
Two different issues. God warned Israel's kings not to multiply horses and chariots so as to depend on their armaments of war, rather to depend / trust in the Lord. cp. Dt. 17:16. Sadly, Solomon and others did indeed amass large numbers of horses and chariots cp. 1Kings 4:26. Moral of the story, you can have as many horses as you want (and can afford to feed and care for). But I might suggest you avoid chariots. The require a lot of storage space.
Not two different issues. If a man cannot have multiple wives because the kings was commanded not to multiply wives, horses, gold and silver. Then logically a man cannot have more than one horse, nor can he have more than one piece of gold and silver.
@@MichaelEllisYTthere are to be a certain amount of horses and coins needed to survive and no more than that. So let’s say 10,000 chariots now what is necessary. He is not to have more than that. Trigger warning LMAO, a man only needs one wife so he’s not to have more than one wife 😂🫵
So much here! I was born and raised a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and while that church no longer practices polygamy, it is still taught as a true principal of God that He uses when He needs it for His purposes. A few years ago I started questioning my faith- and the LDS history surrounding polygamy was a big part of that. I was shocked when I learned that at no time had God actually commanded polygamy. Fast forward to now, and I've stepped in to a more real relationship with the God found in the bible. More than polygamy or any other issue, the catalyst for this was the doctrine of undeserved salvation by grace through faith. The story of the woman taken in adultery is such a good example of God in the flesh "not condemning" a person who deserved condemnation, and not because of anything she had done to deserve His forgiveness.
I too was L-dS. God gave commandments that approved and regulated. The only people he specifically commanded to live polygyny were Hagar and Hosea.
The issue with the woman at the well story is that there is no evidence she actually was an adulteress. It was thy lying Pharasees that made that claim.
And even if she was guilty she couldn't be condemned because there were no witnesses and the adulterer was never brought. If Jesus condemned her it would have been a miscarriage of justice.
The message of this story isn't overlooking sin, it's about maintaining the precepts of Law.
@@MichaelEllisYTHosea had one wife and God did not instigate Hagar into polygamy. Sarah and Abraham did.
Isolfitness
Abraham and Jacob are called righteous by the almighty. And is seated at the table in heaven. You should be careful in condemning someone or something that God does not call sin because you don’t like it. You put yourself on the level with God in doing so
@@Jericho-xs3ju the fact that you see me condemning anyone is ridiculous. Only someone with the mentality of a 4 year old would say such a thing because I stated that not where. Everyone that puts their faith in God is called righteous, but they are all sinners saved by Grace. Jacob and Abraham were sinners saved by grace. The problem is that you do not know your Bible very well. Now shoo. Move one now.
@ and if women don’t like it then God doesn’t like it. God created women to be jealous. It’s evil to not be jealous and it offends the blessed femininity that God created. To be feminine is to know that her husbands body belongs to her 1 Corinthians 7:4. You are a classic narcissist twisting God’s word to suit your narrative to be a pig.
This is a feminism interpretation of the scriptures.
Which part?
@@michaeleasley5019all he has is crickets for months now 😂
Polygamy is a problem for harmonious living: 1. jealousy between wives, 2. Lineage equity (treatment of children, inheritance), 3. Worship of sex (another god), 4. lack of peace in the family, 5. multiple conflicting life-style agendas, 6.frequency of sex per wife (favorites), 7. Expensive lifestyle houses cars food education etc 8. I can only see polygamy as beneficial providing labor necessary to run the family business (farm), Be fruitful and multiply, a man can multiple more times per year than a woman, therefore having many wives / concubines means many progeny... which means powerful societal dominions
Even if you are right it still doesn't mean that it is a sin.
@@waneframe Actually it improves the ability to obey the first command--"BE FRUITFUL AND MULTIPLY" So you are speaking the truth that Obedience is NOT a sin! It should be promoted as obedience to Gods command if you have the money and patience for 5 to 20 wives!!??
"Polygamy is a problem for harmonious living:"
It's not. And when is "harmonious living" commanded in scripture.
"1. jealousy between wives"
Jealousy only occurs because women think their own their husband. They don't.
"2 Lineage equity (treatment of children, inheritance),"
God already told me who have multiple wives how to do this correctly.
"3 Worship of sex (another god),"
It's not sex worship.
"4 lack of peace in the family,"
A weak man will not have peace on his family even with one wife. Lack of peace in the family is a sign of a weak man not leading his women.
"5. multiple conflicting life-style agendas,"
That's not a thing.
"6.frequency of Sex per wife (favorites),"
Women have different libidos.
"7 Expensive lifestyle houses cars food education etc"
More people in the family to provide money.
"8 can only See polygamy as beneficial providing labor necessary to run the family business (farm),"
That IS a beneficial thing.
"J Be fruitful and multiply, a man can multiple more times per year than a woman J therefore having many wives concubines means many progeny.
which means powerful societal dominions"
Yes.
@@waneframe😂😂😂🫵
@@MichaelEllisYT😂😂😂🫵
Why did God call judea and israel as his two wives if he is against polygyny? If God is against polygyny then why did he not say to any polygynist a single word that he he doesnot like polygyny?, but he blessed them all. Why did moses practice polygyny and regulate polygyny when God doesnot like it. Is God confused or the church leaders confused? Nowadays men like adultery and prostitution and that is why they are against polygyny. Polygyny is expensive while adultery and prostitution are cheaper.
Amen 🙏😊
@@Call4Wisdom😂😂😂🫵
You obviously didn’t watch the video 😂
@@tinkuroopa2754 he did not.
This man is lying about the scriptures. Polygyny is one of the most beneficial and holy arrangement in biblical marriage. He is literally misquoting scriptures in real time
Exactly
Amen, Yah also blessed us women through the cover of Biblical polygyny 🙏😊
😂😂😂🫵
@@Call4Wisdom explain the blessings to me
@Fatelvis2 Polygamy can greatly benefit modern women. For a personal discussion on these blessings, please take a look at my two part episodes called "How Polygyny Suits Female Hypergamy better than Monogamy" , where I list ten of the reasons. 🙂
Having multiple wives isn’t a sin. If so then how is it.
I suspect you did not listen to the entire answer?
@@michaeleasley5019 it’s isn’t a sin it isn’t stated nor does it contradict anything. The most that you can say is that it doesn’t aline with good principle but that’s almost completely opinionated. In Europe where Christianity began they were a monogamous society so ofc they saw polygamy as bad. If it began in an African society the perspective of polygamy being a sin would be quite different. When the religion went from Judaism to Christianity, laws weren’t the center of the religion it became more of what’s within your heart. It’s one thing to follow rules but it’s another thing to have a moral compass that you follow. There are a couple of situations where u could probably coin the participation of polygyny a sin; law of the land, the principle of being loving to your wife, and the church having authority to make acts become sin.
Polygyny is Not a sin and nowhere in the bible it is said to be a sin, rather it was regulated and practiced., it is church who calls it as a sin because they are after our money
@tinkuroopa2754 Amen 🙏😊
He didn't give an answer.
Thank you for explaining this Dr.E.
And thank you Hannah. ❣️💜❣️
I only have one problem with this teaching.. its not addressing the cause of sin in general..The reason Jesus went to calvary is not because King David had many wives... its also because of many other sins people had committed and blood of sheep and goat couldnt be enough to save mankind from Sin (Again which Sin in Particular) The sin that relates to man's overall fall... Jesus specifically is asked a question relating to divorce and He says In the beginning it was not so.. Beginning Refers to before the fall of man (1st Convenant btn God and man), We also know that in the first covenant man did not have sex with woman.. Job 14:16 Man that is born of a woman is of few days and full of trouble. 2 He cometh forth like a flower, and is cut down: he fleeth also as a shadow... So after the fall we know now man's nature is polygamous (fallen state) and this includes monogamists too.. Sex Law is by Polygamy in man.. If any man is against his own nature then he should go back to the beginning before the fall..
What’s good for the goose is good for the gander
Actually, wasn't it commanded that the brother would do this rather than a provision?
Can u pray for my 1st husband who is going through a very hard time
Thank you I was married to a Chinese and Thailand and he had more than one wife I am the 1st wife.
Practically every case of polygamy in the bible resulted in disaster. So, God did not have to issue a punishment for polygamy because polygamy comes with its own built-in punishment.
It didn't end in disaster for Abraham, Jacob, or Gideon.
This false statement about many wives at one time for a husband ending in disaster has been pushed and promoted as the propaganda it is. God never said it was wrong or condemned the marital practice. Without question the Hebrew people were a polygamous people. The Bible describes Celibacy, Married to one Wife, and also the law given to Moses gives instructions if a man takes another wife. "Thus says the Lord". It's simply another form of marriage. Paul says it best. If you get married there will be trouble! Please remove the personal opinion and emotions and teach the scriptures according to what the word of God says. Our culture has turned something that Almighty God had influence on and built his own family Israel and has twisted it to promote it the contrary just like the symbolism of the rainbow. Please don't let someone else think for you except the Holy Spirit. Trust Him He will lead you into all truths!
@@patricksterbeatzAmen, Yah also blessed us women through the cover of Biblical polygyny 🙏😊
That's nonsense.
@@Call4Wisdom That's right! 100% !
Friend God does not sanction sin? Polygyny is not a sin. The levirate marriage was a blessings to the women.
Amen, Yah also blessed us women through the cover of Biblical polygyny 🙏😊
You obviously didn’t watch the video. If the woman doesn’t like it then it is sin. A man is to honor and respect is wife’s wishes. It’s on the Bible. You should read those parts as well and not make a whole doctrine out of a few Bible verses.
ISO fitness …
The Bible does not say that. If that’s the case if it’s a man’s wish but the woman does not do it. It’s a sin ? Or do you just make up sins ?
Remember in Roman’s Paul’s states where there is no law there is no sin
@@Jericho-xs3ju you obviously don’t know God’s love.
ISO
Coming from a person who tells people they have comprehension of 4 year olds and have no comprehension skills and insults those who disagree with him. 😂
Do not bring God into the matter of marriage. No wife will ever want his husband to bring another wife. Will a husband agree if his wife wants to bring another husband? So for a healthy family life stick to one husband and one wife.
Which is precisely God's plan and design! 😇
The wife is not the master of the husband, so she doesn't eat to command the husband not to have anotehr wife.
The wife having another husband is adultery (Lev 20:10)
There is no scripture that tells us monogamy is God's plan and design. A marriage covenant consists of one man and one woman. But men can have more than one marriage covenant.
@@MichaelEllisYT😂😂😂🫵
@@MichaelEllisYTyes the wife has authority when it comes to sex. It’s in the Bible. You should read those parts as well and not make a whole doctrine of your choice verses.
A man could have polygamy but a woman could not ,or else she was an adulteress.
Not true
Isofitnes
Study your scripture. A woman having multiple men was mixing seed Where a man could have multiple wives and was no sin
In addition the Bible never contradicts biology. A man could have and is biologically driven to mate with many women. Where a woman is not.
@@isolafitness read the bible. where does it say women had a right to more than one man?
@@isolafitness Deuteronomy 22:22: ,Leviticus 20:10. but women in those older days were property of their one husband. its different now. However King David as a man could have wives since they all belonged to him and no other man.
She didn’t have 5 husbands she was a loose women.
@@MassiveBoyVenturesJn.4:17 "The woman answered and said, “I have no husband.” Jesus *said to her, “You have correctly said, ‘I have no husband’; 18 for you have had five husbands, and the one whom you now have is not your husband; this you have said truly.”
The Bible does not say that.
You are sick and demented
Nope, the “doctor” in the vid is lying
You just don’t want to believe the truth
ISO fitness
What is the truth ?
So according to the explanation I'm also not allowed to have more than 1 horse? Cause I believe the passage was refering to being (vain) like other nation, and not so much the quantity.
Two different issues. God warned Israel's kings not to multiply horses and chariots so as to depend on their armaments of war, rather to depend / trust in the Lord. cp. Dt. 17:16. Sadly, Solomon and others did indeed amass large numbers of horses and chariots cp. 1Kings 4:26. Moral of the story, you can have as many horses as you want (and can afford to feed and care for). But I might suggest you avoid chariots. The require a lot of storage space.
Not two different issues. If a man cannot have multiple wives because the kings was commanded not to multiply wives, horses, gold and silver. Then logically a man cannot have more than one horse, nor can he have more than one piece of gold and silver.
Exactly.
@@MichaelEllisYTthere are to be a certain amount of horses and coins needed to survive and no more than that. So let’s say 10,000 chariots now what is necessary. He is not to have more than that. Trigger warning LMAO, a man only needs one wife so he’s not to have more than one wife 😂🫵
@@isolafitness Great. Where are either of those numbers stated in scripture?