My parents were married 62 years. Born in England and migrated to Australia when I was 4 years old. For medical reasons my mother could only have one child and that was me. My Father was 4 years older than my Mother. They were so happy together and inseparable. My Mother died suddenly aged 85 after she had gone to the bathroom and had sat down in her recliner chair. Dad was sitting in another chair and hadn't even noticed that she had died. Dad who was always so jovial with everyone had become solemn and withdrawn and he missed Mum dearly. He would kiss her photo every night before retiring to bed. He just wanted to be where she was, to be reunited again with her. 4 months after her death Dad died, God had granted his wish. Now that is pure love between a husband and wife! That kind of a marriage is God's recipe for fulfillment and happiness.
My x’s mom & dad were like that. They were around that age when they passed. The dad died first & the mom not too long after. ❤ I thought they were the sweetest couple.
The same thing happened with my grandparents! After my grandma died my grandpa was "I don't want to live anymore (because she was not here physically anymore)" and just one month after he went with her.
You did not answer the question. Why did God allow some men to have multiple wives in the OT? David is said to be cut in God's heart and in the Book of Hebrews Gideon is considered as one of the heroes of faith . Yet these two had many wives (more than four). Judges 8:30 & 2 Samuel 12: 8-12. The sin of Solomon is to marry wives from idolatrous nations which the Lord has forbidden the Israelites to intermarry since they will turn their hearts to their gods. The Lord did not forbid Solomon or the Israelites to marry more than one wives if they come from the tribes of Israel - 1 Kings 11 1-4.
So true the Christians are just too stupid to realize that God is not against having multiple wives... read the Bible and you'll understand for your self these churches cherry pick
This law was written for the protection of children. It was not written to justify or condone polygamy. Matthew 19:4-6 NKJV [4] And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ [5] and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? [6] So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.” [8] He said to them, “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.
@@rebeccavieux Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?” 8Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.” Understand what’s happening here the Pharisees we’re trying to trip up Jesus by asking why is it lawful to send away your wife (the practice of trading your wife for another) he then explains the only lawful form of divorce. Seek the actual truth instead of putting your preconceived ideas onto the Bible.
@LorenaCruz-le2mz God told david that it was him that gave david his wives he also told him he would of given him more if David asked. You make it seem like God bends the knee to sin and tolerated it, but in reality it was never a sin in the first place. Remember you can’t love God if you hate the truth.
I like your video but I disagree with your approach on this one. You used today’s mental thinking and values to define and discredit polygamy which does not apply during the church period, Jews still practice polygamy while Roman law prohibited it. In the Old Testament period polygamy was practiced for various reasons such as 1.There were more females than males. 2.There was a desire to increase the wealth of the household. 3.A large number of children was needed to work the fields or with the herds. 4.Many females died in childbirth. 5.In nomadic communities it was important for every female to be attached to a household. As to David and Solomon, I am more then sure their polygamy was politically related and not because he fell in love 8 to 700 times. In addition, it is documented that many Mormon families have more than one wife and they live in harmony with one another. Not to say that it’s legal or correct in today’s setting but at the same time, it’s not biblically condemned. Disunity, and jealousy is not the curse of polygamy because that is also experienced in monogamists marriages. I still like your videos although this one was way off course. I think it could have been developed much better.
@@mandi3366 show me where? If that was the case, David would have not been a man after G-d’s heart as described.. and what about concubines? You think that was sinful too?
God never call any of the men in the Bible that had multiple wives stupid for having multiple wives. 1. Have he considered that God said be fruitful and multiplie. (1 man 100 woman can Repopulate an island) (1 woman 100 men = extinction) 2. God never condemned the practice. The only scripture that came close was "a bishop should have one wife". Why only a Bishop? 3. Have you ever considered that to be a sister wife was not degrading but a benefit. Not all men could afford to have multiple wifes. The men who had multiple wives had to be prepared to take care of them. 4. Jesus even spoke of the comming of bridegroom which had 10 brides going to meet 1 groom. Yes 5 wise 5 foolish but just 1 groom? If in the natural this practice was against God's will why the Parallel?
#2 The fact that God forbids in the case of the bishop proves that he count it as ok for the others. So yes. #4 Its is said nowhere that these virgins are there to marry the groom. We know that the groom was accompanied, also from virgins, ti his marriage. They were invited and part of the feast, they were not the brides. Look also Revelation 19:9 and context. The bride is the new Jerusalem. BTW: you cant use details of an object lesson to make a point. Parables are only there to teach a truth, which is clearly expressed: "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour."
Those Arguments are suppositions and if we really dig into the historical, cultural and systems of marriage we will see that there was a reason and it qualified for what they did. If you look at the list of Sexual Sins listed in Leviticus you will see that no where was Polygamy mentioned. It had NO punishment attached to Polygamy but there was a way in which it was to be practiced and it wasnt based on selfishness or depriving another man from a wife.
@@sharonowino430 Entering multiple marriage covenants was never explicitly forbidden nor does the scripture refer to it as adultery. In fact it was permitted with some exceptions. Furthermore God gave Saul's wives to David. "And I gave you your master's house and your master's wives into your arms..." 2 Samuel 12:8
@Confused But Enthused he does not love you and does not respect you. Moreover you are not special to him. You just one of the vaginas on his way. Sorry to say it the way it is. Love is a sacrifice sometimes and there are men and women who know that and do sacrifice. Whether its sickness, children, culture or a country to live in. If God puts u under the test, the person who loves u will try to handle it with you. Not with someone else. Easy and simple. I am happily married to a man who loves me, and he sacrifices a lot to be with me. And was waiting for me, and respects my boundaries. That's why i can tell your man is just using u.
Please show the commandant where God bands multiple. Instead of giving us 20-minutes of your human interpretation and putting words in the Lourdes mouth
@@MOOin.thegamercow "When Leah saw that she had stopped bearing, she took her maid Zilpah and gave her to Jacob as a wife. 10 Leah’s maid Zilpah bore Jacob a son. 11 Then Leah said, “How fortunate!” So she named him Gad. 12 Leah’s maid Zilpah bore Jacob a second son. 13 Then Leah said, “Happy am I! For women will call me happy.” So she named him Asher." - Gen 30 These women had their struggles at times, but to claim that they were fundamentally unhappy is a massive stretch. The average women in a monogamous marriage today expresses far more discontent than you can find any biblical account.
@@thescenarios5934 it really had nothing to do with having to share a husband, it was about having many children, either way their behavior wasn’t righteous and it was only when they each gave their maids as wives to Jacob to bear more children that Yah blessed them by opening the wombs He closed.
I personally wonder how all these people who call Moses or David or all the other bible heroes stupid, when they stand before them in heaven. When your life is shown next to theirs. The vanity of some people.
God never say men can have more women, thats bs, lets be honest its a MAN who said and wanted to have more women in order to show and have more power, and then says “god allows MEN to have many wives”
It was the culture back then. Some translations of Deuteronomy 17:17 says "he must not have "many" wives." What's many wives? Also Jesus talks much about how people were not condemned when doing certain things not allowed in the law. And finally we have what Paul says in Romans 14:22 "Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves." This is the truth about our beliefs. But if we hurt each other then we're in violation. Not all polygamy is a violation of the Golden rule. Some agree and consent to this lifestyle.
@@Susan-fg3nv If Hagar had been an Israelite, Abraham could have just had her as one of his own. It's not polygamy that was bad, it's how people use it.
This video is incorrect. However, polygamy was practiced for many different reasons and not just for love. Today we marry for love but back in the older days it was practiced for political, social status, and economic reasons. The bigger the family, the more protected they were. So polygamy was not a sin but a necessity. In Roman law during the church period, it was illegal to practice polygamy but Jews still practiced polygamy while the Roman law had to adjust to Jewish practice. These are all the topics this video did not cover. Polygamy was not a sin
@@NA-oc7eq today we consider polygamy a sin due to it being government law as illegal and based on limited New Testament bible passages in choosing an Elder. However, according to Paul, the law exposes sin. If there is no law, then how do we know if it’s a sin? This is the question of Paul and stating the purpose of the law. In the Old Testament, they had plenty of laws from the Torah. 613 commands to be exact. Not one of them prohibited polygamy. Many of G-d people in the Old Testament had multiple wives. Had it been a sin, would you think G-d would have stated what he said about David being a man after G-d’s heart? Of course not. Simple answer is, if there was no law against it, then it was not a sin. During the time of Adam and Eve, it was not a sin to marry your sister , nieces or aunts because no law existed. After the book of Leviticus, now there was a law on who you can and can not have a sexual relationship with. The rest of what is said about the purpose and necessities of multiple wives is all in secular history. Oh, I did not even mentioned the subject of concubines....
@@NA-oc7eq in this video, he used lots of emotional arguments to justify his answers for Old Testament setting which can not be done. As to jealousy among multiple wives is a subjective thought. Many multiple wives among the mornings today- in Utah, don’t have the problem of jealousy but work together in harmony. See their documentary on this subject. How can jealousy exist among the wives because of having multiple wives, when that was a natural occurrence and a norm. If jealousy occurred, it was due to other factors- not for having being the 3rd wive nor the first because they all knew the possibilities existed . Anyway, I think I said enough
@@NA-oc7eq yes that was another big setting.but I did not know they could purchase them.... it was not a sin to have a concubine back then either.. concubines had their necessities as well which G-d provided. If It was a. sin, then why would G-d not simply gave all women the ability to bear children even at old age? But G-d instead allowed concubines and some women in the Bible could not bear children - and that was almost a social disgrace.
The questions isn’t “why did god allow it”, but rather “why didn’t god call prophets that practiced it?” Two very different questions, and depending on your answer you will support LDS historical practice of polygamy.
Everything is vanity and chasing the wind. So a man should satisfy himself with the breast of one wife. God warns men to be fair and do well by the wife of his youth. Also, these strange women turned Solomon away fro God and Israel was split into the northern and southern kingdoms.
@@yeshuaislord3872 The problem is lust. Solomon was wise, wealthy, and God- fearing. Being lustful and whorish was his undoing. Not unlike his father. These were great men. Revered and respected but not perfect. They both broke the law when taking multiple wives. Solomon paid dearly for it.
@@yeshuaislord3872 Women who get married whether it is to one man with one wife or one man with many wives are expected to be faithful. Paul says that a man and his wife owe each other due benevolence. When a man wants his wife she is to comfort him. How can one man comfort multiple wives at once? The whole arrangement is very selfish. As far as King David is concerned, He is the only person in the bible described as a man after God's own heart. God forgave him for his sin with Bathsheba. He promised more wives to King David only. Everyone else is breaking the law by taking more than one wife. King Solomon had 300 wives. Was that not lustful? Every man with multiple wives broke the law. God forbade the practice when Israel fired God and asked Samuel for a king. This excluded Jacob and other men who had multiple wives before God forbade it.
Rom 5 v 13 is very clear we know sin by the LAW. 1 John 3v4 is clear as well sin is the transgression of the LAW. You sir like all others who who oppose biblical marriage which includes polygyny do not ever quote a LAW that states "you shall not lie with another woman as you do with your wife" or "You shall not add a wife to the wife you have" or "You shall only have one wife" or "you shall not covet your neighbour's husband" or "You shall covet a virgin if you are married to a wife". You also never quote a scripture that calls the act reprobate, sinful, wicked, an abomination, defiling. The real reason why you never quote these commandments is because there are no commandments remotely resembling these. Yahuwah issued commands against homosexuality, bestiality, incest, sleeping with another man's wife but never against having more than one wife. The best you can do in your video is start of by appealing, not to scripture, but general consensus by saying "i think we can also say generally it was not god's will". Homosexuality, theft, lying, murder all these were not God's perfect will and he expressed this point in the form of commandments against these acts. What i am saying sir is that Yahuwah's will is expressed clearly in his law. If Yahuwah wills for a thing to not be done he will give a commandment to that effect. Therefore what you just did in claiming that polygyny is against Yahuwah's will even thought he did not say that is eisegesis. As a man trying his best to be a good exegete you should not begin with an idea and then wrap scripture around it. That is how heresies and traditions of man are born. If there is no LAW against polygyny then a man who marries 2 women has not been disobedient. INSTRUCTION precedes disobedience. If they is no instruction to marry ONLY one then there can be no evil in the polygynist. Secondly your treatment of Solomon and his sin is entirely of your own fabrication. You dealt with two scriptures 2 Kings 11 and Deut 17 but you did not demonstrate that you understood either of those texts. Firstly 2 Kings does not qoute Deut 17v17 as the law that Solomon broke. The law that the author of 2 Kings accuses Solomon of breaking is Deut 7v3-4. Deut 7 NOT deut 17 is quoted in 2 Kings 11. 2 Kings is abundantly clear to the exegete, it is the heathen beliefs of Solomon's wives not their number that turned him away. The accusation that Solomon broke Deut 17 is entirely unbiblical and based on on you desire to rebuke solomon for polygyny. Duet 17v17 which is not quoted in the bible as a commandment that Solomon broke does not say that a king should not have more that one wife. Look closely at the entire text. Neither the numbers 1 or 2 are present only the word multiply, which could mean anything. And that is ok because that verse deut 17v17 is not saying that any number is better than another number. What the verse is saying is that a king must be careful with the worldly goods he acquires. The sufficiency of his wealth which includes silver, gold and horses must not cause him to forget that it is Yahuwah that gave him those things. The verse also says a king must not multiply horses, silver and gold just the same as he should not multiply wives. Does this mean that he must only have one horse in his military, for a war financed by one gold coin and one silver coin. Interpreting the word multiply in Deut 17 to mean only one would be ridiculous when it comes to the horses the silver and the gold. If we are to be consistent we must also conclude that having only one wife is a ridiculous interpretation of Deut 17v17. As for the golden rule. You have greatly misapplied it. It does not mean everyone gets treated the same. Your wife gets impregnated by you, have you ever been impregnated by her. Slaves obey their masters but masters do not obey their slaves. Parents must beat their children but children who beat their parents must be killed. Christ is not undoing the distinctions that exist between humans. Christ wants husbands and wives to both be faithful in their covenant. But the contract of marriage demands of the man that he protect and provide for the woman he owns. The same contract has different roles for the woman who is owned. Since the man is her master and no one can have two masters it is the role of the woman not give the the rights of her master has to another. Therefore no extra husbands. This is expessed in the law of Moses that prohibits a man from lying with his neighbour's wife but does not prohibit a woman from lying with her neighbour's master. Cant wait to discuss this further with you.
No becuase adultery is cheating on your wife . If you have 2 wives how can you cheat if they are both your wives. I think its adultery if he stepped out if those marriages .
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This actually helped me understand something totally different. That God doesn't punish us. He just allows us to fail and suffer consequences. Just like that's all we can do with our own children. We didn't hold their hand on the stove...
3:29 - If having more than 1 wife is a violation of loving thy neighbor as thyself, then how can any of us have more than 1 child by that logic if by the mere virtue (according to you) of having a second, the 1st wouldn't be loved as much or properly?
@@fruitypebbles4148 This is one of the more nonsensical arguments I've seen... What? The statement wasn't about "making" children or partners, it was about loving more than one properly.
I agree with the commenter who said you never answered the question, but if you look across TH-cam, you'll find many others failing to answer that question. I don't believe scripture gives us a clear answer. We'll know in the next realm, as God promises "All will be revealed." For 99.99% of us I think one is enough.
The fall of man came from monogamy. The 12 tribes came from a man with 4 wives. It's not a sin, otherwise the patriarchs would have been reprimanded, they kept the law.
@@NeshieTheKingSlayer I believe it is morally allowed as long as you are not building a empire on your wife's tears. God created woman for man to be loved. NOT used. Any woman that agrees more power to her. Any man who can more power to him. A husband has to lead a wife. There is no get out of jail card if he chose one out of lust or he fails to keep his family together.
That's why I'm struggling as a believer. Abraham was a rapist and our Father saw that it was fine. And he gave Hagar the great news that Ishmael would be like a donkey, fighting with everyone. So, essentially, Hagar is raped and then cursed. It doesn't make any sense.
Whether it is applicable, culturally workable or feasible today, we can discuss same, but stop making something that God never said was a sin, a sin. God will never allow sin. Abraham, Lamech, Gideon, David, Solomon and the many others even coming into the NT era were not sinning by having multiple wives folks. DYOR.
This concept drives me nuts!!! I can’t understand how you can continuously live in sin and have no desire to change and still call yourself a Christian. My brain cannot wrap itself around this specific topic 🤦♀️
@@petergramboit’s sin, and these men of the Bible still fell due to it even though God allowed it because of their own passions. God worked with them however punishment is built into sins. Like her said.
@@petergrambo for some people no matter what you show them they will refuse to believe because they have their own agenda. For that reason I have no answer for you because you don’t seek the truth.
The way I understand it, God is not tolerant, He is just very patient with us. He doesn't tolerate sins, yet He's patient with us to realize how sinful we are and to repent.
God GAVE wives to Solomon and David and Job. We aren’t asking questions about why God allowed sin. We are asking why the Bible clearly states multiple times that God gave man multiple wives. Very weak answer in this video
Genuine question. I can think of one place where God says He gave multiple wives to David. Where else does it say God gave multiple wives to such and such…
@@JoshuaTCoe That’s a good point, I don’t know off the top of my head. My personal answer, is that the old testament isn’t exactly claiming that God gave them to him as his plan. It’s more just that David was blessed in his position and God allowed it. And God “gave” David wives in the sense that God didn’t withhold any earthly thing from him. But that would require a not quite as literal interpretation of specific old testament passages. One more example though, God never mentioned for Abraham to get rid of his sex slave, Hagar. I mean maybe that’s a strong term, because he was providing for her and not keeping her drug addicted or some thing. But she still a slave and has to have sex with him when he wants. The unbelieving world is gonna keep laughin at us if we keep giving weak answers though. Still searching myself
@@bradvincent2586 I don’t think she was a sex slave, she was a second wife. I can’t imagine someone being so close to God being so evil as to use someone as an object. I don’t think God would get super close to someone who persisted in that- maybe I’m wrong. God not condemning David’s multiple wives definitely requires explanation because it’s just so confusing. We see God take the child David conceived with Bathsheba so that Israel would know what David did was wicked and God wasn’t with it. If God continued to prosper David without consequence then God would look like He’s okaying a bully murdering and taking peoples wives which God couldn’t allow. The question then becomes, why’d He not condemn the multiple wives? And really, you could say that He did: Neither shall he multiply wives for himself, lest his heart turn away; nor shall he greatly multiply silver and gold for himself. Deut 17 The question here becomes how can David be the man after Gods heart when he did multiply both wealth and wives disobeying the command of God? Another thought is the verse gives reason why the king shouldn’t multiply wealth and wives “lest His heart turn away (from God of course.)” So it could be that multiple wives and wealth isn’t a problem provided the heart isn’t turned away. With wealth I think that’s certainly the case. God gave Job MORE wealth after his charade and he was already the greatest man in the east as the Bible says. So clearly, in regards to wealth God has no problem provided your priorities are straight in your heart. As far as wives surely there’s something wrong with that. Isn’t it carnal? What if it’s not? Is it possible to love and enjoy multiple wives? Or does having multiple automatically mean you’re not acting lovingly toward one? And if that’s the case what if they all feel loved and are perfectly content with their situation- would it then be wrong? Perhaps it was a situation where they all felt loved/taken care of and David was treating them well, while also loving God before all of his wives… In that case would he be breaking the law of God [love God and others]? I’m starting to think not. It really throws a wrench in my cog since there’s no direct condemnation of this form of polygamy, and it certainly doesn’t seem to hinder David or Solomons success or relationship with God. Which is to seem to say Gid is cool with it. God wouldn’t let you so close and give you an everlasting crown if He wasn’t. The problem is it just feels off. Could that be societal programming? I’m not sure. If it were the case that David’s polygamy was not sin then that would be very weird to swallow. It has to be either sin or not sin. If it’s not sin that seems weird. If it’s sin then how could God prosper a man choosing to live in a disobedient lifestyle toward God (unrepentant)? Clearly David was repentant which is to say his wives wearnt a sin in the sight of God?? The more I think about it the more I’m starting to think polygamy can align with Gods law to love God and others provided all the women are perfectly content/not jealous/not wanting and feel perfectly and and adequately loved. The question then is can this ^ even be possible, if no then we’re back to how could God prosper a willing sinner and why then is David a willing sinner when the Bible says he’s not? If yes, then my mind has just be blown out of the water and I want multiple wives. No favoritism in the kingdom right? It couldn’t work for me because me wanting it is carnal, not of pure love so it would break the law of God. And good luck finding a woman that’s cool with you kissing on another… Very very difficult problem here in my opinion.
“Then the kingdom of heaven will be comparable to ten virgins, who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. Matthew 25:1 NASB1995 Yes - God in his perfect will used a sinful metaphor to describe his so marrying the Church. Why would he use a sin to describe his perfect will in relationships to his son. Also father God has multiple wives, he describes multiple cities turning against him.
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This idea that God created one woman one man so that was his intended design is such foolish and broken logic it’s embarrassing and it’s sad to see so many people be fooled into thinking this is wisdom lol The people like this man who say this don’t apply that train of logic to anything else. Why doesn’t he promote we walk around naked today? That was Gods initial intended design wasn’t it? Should we walk around naked? No lol. Why do we eat meat? Adam and Eve did not eat meat in the garden. Is it against Gods will for us to eat meat lol no. Eve is technically made of the same genetic material as Adam, pulled from his rib, making her a fraternal twin sister, are we saying incest is in Gods design? Should we be breeding with our sisters? Lol no Ofcourse not. All of the sons of Adam that took wives took their sisters to be wives. Again is incest in Gods design? Lol of course not. But this is the “logic” that’s used to try to turn down something God clearly accepted and regulated as part of his design for man. Then the second part of the broken logic that is laughable…the first person described to have multiple wives is Lamech and he was a murderer so having multiple wives must be bad lol. Let’s apply this same logic pattern to Adam and Eve who you claim to be the intended design and yet they disobeyed God causing the fall of all humanity, so monogamy must be bad right? How about Cain? The very first murderer of the Bible was a monogamous man and the product of a monogamous marriage. As far as we can tell he was also a virgin man when he killed his brother as he did not have a wife or is not described to have had one at the time. Is chastity bad then because Cain was not married when he killed his brother lol ofcourse not. This is garbage logic trying to be passed off as wisdom.
😡I just debated a guy all day on Facebook about God's law and having one wife, to his argument of multiple wives & concubines. He kept throwing out 2 Samuel 12:8 on how Nathan told David, how God gave him Sauls wives when he became king. But in Deuteronomy 17:17 it says not to take on for yourself multiple wives. 🤔. And now here it is MOSE'S himself had 2 wives???😳 "I don't understand this book" .. and I don't like looking like an idiot trying to stand up for what I believe. 😡 😵💫😵💫😵💫. is it okay, or is it not?
Well David , you have answered so many things I wanted to know for so long and finally got enlightenment on them. I always wondered why did Solomon have so many wives and concubines. And as you say God let them have there own choices. Don’t know how he pleased all of them. But in Arabic customs, you are judged by how many wives you have. But we know God made one man and one woman . I do like your subjects, short and you come to the point. I don’t like things long out stretched. I also followed your short teaching on masterbation, that is something nobody could explain to me , weather it was ok or not. But I always thought the thoughts that one needs to masterbate is sinful , lustfull, so that is why we need to look out for that.
But David came after Moses and what about 7th Commandment? Not sure that the natural consequences of 2 wives is the punishment ,... to say God is tolerant and merciful sounds squishy and heretical, but maybe I missed the main part of the message. !
i beg you (or your supporters) to respond to this comment so that we may talk about this issue. You are incredibly misinformed on this issue. The question that must first be answered is "is polygyny a sin?". This requires that we first of all know what sin is. 1 John 3v4 we are told that sin is the transgression of the law. Rom 5v13 and 7v7 say the same thing. Sin is defined by the Law. John 1v17 tells us that the law came by Moses while Christ brought grace and truth. Christ did not bring the law and his disciples including his best friend deny that he did. Moses' writings must inform our opinion on matters of morality. Remember that if both paul and John are teaching that Moses ALONE functioned as lawgiver, then that means Christ believed that to. Yahushua is the one that led them to this conclusion about Moses, He taught both men after all. If we are to understand Christ's words and those of His disciples on the topic of marriage we must look to Moses first. Remember the road to Emmaus (Luke 24v27). Please consider the following points: 1)There are no laws in the books of Moses that restrict a man to one woman. In 2 Sam 12v8 Yahuwah tells David that He gave him his master's wives into his bosom. That means that God actively participated in the polygamy of his servants he did not merely tolerate it (a claim found in abundance outside the bible but zero times within it). In addition to this He contrasts the many wives that David received from Him to the wife of Uriah that he took by himself. He says that this was done in contradiction to his commandment. Clearly telling the reader that Yahuwah does not believe that polygyny is against the law he gave to the holy people at Sinai. Remember where there is no law there is no sin. 2) There are laws in the bible that regulate polygyny and teach men how to be good polygynist fathers and husbands. These are exo 21v10 and Deut 21v15. If laws define good and evil then it good to give wives and children their rights in a polygynous home. Men that follow these laws are righteous like all men that obey God's law. Consider the fact that never once are they called sinners yet they are given laws with which to pursue righteousness. 3) Moses' writings teach us what marriage is contractually. In Gen 2 Adam has a rib taken from him then a woman given in exchange. This is a purchase. This depicts Eve, and hence all wives thereafter, as human property, as slaves. This is why these holy men that sleep with multiple women every night were never charged with adultery. Adultery in the Hebrew is Zanah it speaks of covenant breaking. However, the man cannot break that covenant as masters are not accountable to their slaves. That is why Yahuwah has three laws in the ten commandments against polyandry (No adultery, coveting another's wife or stealing.) but not a single one against polygyny. There are many other things to discuss in Moses' law ie the bible that Yahushua read but what i have written will be a good starting point. Please respond you need my help on this because no prophet ever taught what you are teaching.
Also Moses had two wives and God disciplined Miriam and Aaron for complaining about Moses first Cushite wife (also in Josephus).. perhaps because she returned to Moses and Zipporah the Midianite his 2nd wife from his wilderness 40 yesrs was with him.
@Dawn Isola Many women would rather be the second or third wife to a rich man than be the only wife of a poor man. The woman may be a career woman with a child who would love to go to work and know that their kid is at home being taken care of by a sister wife rather than dropping the kid off at daycare. She also knows that she won't have to come home to housework since the other wife who stays at home will do it. The stay at home wife is grateful that she doesn't have to leave her own kids and that the working wife may allow her to stay at home if the husband's wages wouldn't otherwise allow it.
It would be interesting to be a fly on the wall while he studied his bible to find where it says that having more than one wife is sin. I keep waiting for anyone to address why God Himself identifies himself as a husband to two women in Jeremiah 3, Ezekiel 23 and Jeremiah 31:31&32. You know, if polygamy is so bad, and a sin, and outside the “perfect” will of God. Cultural bias at its finest.
J.M. Edwards what are you talking about? Nothing in those passages says God had two wives. First, the analogy in Ezekiel 23 was about the unfaithfulness of Israel and Judah. It gave the two sister's as an analogy or parable. Where in Jeremiah 3 does God permit polygamy? Its another analogy of Gods chosen people running after other Gods and culture. Also please show where in Jeramiah 31 vs 31& 32 show God permitting polygamy? Do you even read the Bible?
dana murphy Firstly, I will agree with you that these passages are analogies, mostly because last I checked, they neither marry nor are given in marriage in Heaven. So I do agree with you that they are analogies. However, in what biblical/scriptural world, does the fact that they are analogies equal dismissal of the principles that are being explained in them? Your attempt to do so reveals a bias against the principles that are being explained thru the analogies. This puts you on the wrong side of scripture, especially seeing as this is a direct revelation from the mouth of God to Ezekiels ear. This is God, PURPOSEFULLY CHOOSING to use a polygynous analogy to explain a physical reality. A reality in which adultery IS condemned, but polygyny IS NOT. Secondly, in response to the Ezekiel 23 passage. Both women are charged with adultery (verses 37 2x, 43 1x, 45 2x). This can only be charged of a married woman in Torah. Nowhere are they charged with fornication. Thirdly, both of them are recorded as bearing children while they were “married” to God. (Verses 4 and 37). Maybe you’d like to make the case how God sired children with them (in this analogy) outside of wedlock or covenant, (I think that would be an impossible task considering Sinai’s Covenant) but that might take you into deeper waters than polygyny to explain how a righteous God would do that. In regards to Jeremiah 3:6-14. Firstly, another analogy, direct from God to Jeremiah. Same two women, Israel and Judah. Israel commits adultery and God gives her a writing of divorcement. (Verse 8) Only the husband could give a writing of divorcement in Jewish law. Next, Judah does the same thing but God defines that as treachery (verse 11). Verse 14 says “Turn, O backsliding children [plural, still speaking to Israel and Judah]for I am MARRIED to you, and I will take you one of a city and two of a family and I will bring you to Zion [Gods house] In response to Jeremiah 31:31,32. . . . . I will make a new covenant with the HOUSE OF ISRAEL and with the HOUSE OF JUDAH [two houses, both of which are the same two women mentioned above] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; WHICH MY COVENANT THEY BREAK [which was why they were charged with adultery in the other passages] ALTHOUGH I WAS AN HUSBAND UNTO THEM, SAITH THE LORD LET ME REPEAT THAT!!!!!!! ALTHOUGH I WAS A HUSBAND UNTO THEM, SAITH THE LORD!!!!!! I CAN REPEAT IT AGAIN IF THATS NOT LOUD ENOUGH FOR YOU!!!! So in one passage, God says he has children with these two women, and charges them with marital unfaithfulness. In the next passage, God says he’s married to both of them, and divorces one of them for marital unfaithfulness. In the next passage, both are charged with marital unfaithfulness (as a broken covenant) followed by a flat statement that God was a husband unto THEM, and that he will initiate a new covenant with THEM. In what world does this not equal polygamy? Especially as we know that it was simultaneous from the historical books of the Bible? As to where God permits Polygamy, that would be Exodus 21:10, 2 Samuel 12:8, 2 Chronicles 24:2,3. Genesis 35:9-11 is where God blesses Jacob with the same blessing as Adam (and this is as Jacob already has 4 wives and 13 children, but I’m sure God didn’t know that or he wouldnt have blessed him with a better blessing than Adam and Noah) AND, trick question, IF God was so anti polygamy, why did he not abolish it when he had the chance at Sinai? Or at any other time in the 3500 years since then? Maybe he forgot to give that part to Moses, or any of the other prophets. Maybe Christ wasn’t supposed to tell the parable of the ten virgins, five of which went into the marriage with the groom. And yes, if you cant tell yet, I do read my Bible. I even study it a little bit.
Dana Murphy. I saw your response, and have waited for the site to show it so that I can reply. I notice that instead of acknowledging that God does, in fact, identify himself as the husband to two women, (thereby not only sanctioning it but being a willing participant) you have instead tried to move the goal posts by moving the conversation to adultery. Very poor form! Ok, no worries, I can answer that one also. You asked, So how does one define adultery if a man can have as many wives and concubines as he wishes? Just the mere fact that a man has concubines is adultery on his part and fornication on the part of the concubines, considering they’re not wives. Biblically, this question and conclusion are not only wrong, but very ignorant of scriptural culture, and scriptural definitions. The answer to your question is very simple. I’ll define adultery from the Bible instead of accepting your definition of adultery and concubine from Roman culture. Adultery in Scripture is a broad term best defined as covenant breaking. It includes sex outside of covenant (for married people) as well as marrying a non Israelite who hasn’t converted, as well as items like a failure to provide provision, protection and children (for the man) and worshipping false gods or breaking Torah intentionally. All of these are covenant breaking (aka adultery) because an Israelite married with the understanding that the other would keep Torah and serve God. Defining adultery as exclusively sex outside of covenant is a Roman definition, not a biblical one. You also must define a concubine scripturally rather than from a Roman cultural perspective. From a Roman perspective, a concubine was much like we think of today, a mistress that is really just a piece on the side. Biblically that was not the case. A biblically defined concubine was simply what we would call a wife today, the notable distinction was that she came into the household without a ketubah (written marriage covenant) but was definitely under covenant with all the basic rights and responsibilities of a wife. Her children would also often be absent a formal lot in the inheritance. This was usually because she usually came into the household because her father was too poor to afford a dowry, (much less an inheritance for his grandchildren) and subsequently “sold” her as a bond maid to her future husband who later elevated her from a bond maid to a wife. This would not have been adultery because their arrangement was a covenanted relationship arranged by her father. Prime example Exodus 21:7-10. Notice how the bond maid becomes a “wife” in verse 10. Hagar is another example of this in Genesis 16:3, a bond maid who became a wife/concubine. No mention of adultery. Jacob and Bilhah and Zilpah are another example. I’d challenge you to provide one iota of scriptural evidence where a concubine is ever associated with adultery. Bathsheba doesnt count. She’s never identified as a concubine, and though she entered the house as an additional wife through adultery, only the adultery is addressed by God as sin, not the polygyny . . . AND God told David he would have given him additional wives if he’d wanted them. As to the charge of chaos that was attendant on all the families, thats a weak sauce argument. Why would you apply a standard to one form of marriage that you don’t apply to all forms of marriage? Using your standard, monogamy is an unsanctioned marital structure because the first one resulted in fratricide and wifely rebellion and losing the farm and loss of fellowship with God Almighty. Terrible argument. As to the charge about Deuteronomy 17:16-17, you state that the king was not to acquire many horses or wives to himself. He was also not supposed to multiply silver either per that same passage, or did you conveniently leave that part out. So here’s my question, How much silver is too much? More than one piece? How about horses? Only one horse? And yet God, in 2 Samuel 12:8 tells David, a man who already had 6 wives (and no one knows exactly how many concubines but it was more than 10) that if David had wanted more that God would have given them. Apparently, multiplying wives is bad per Deuteronomy 17, but evidently, God doesnt consider 16 wives multiplying, just adding. And to assert that if the king cant multiply wives, that means everyone else cant either, this is the height of eisigesis! So sorry, you’re not allowed to add to the Word of God when it doesnt fit your pseudo theology. As to Moses not getting the memo, this is also the guy who was married to a Midianite woman and an Ethiopian woman. When Aaron and Miriam try to do to him what you’re doing over the issue, God rebukes the two of them, gives Miriam leprosy, and has absolutely zilch to say to Moses about the issue. Maybe Gods just blind. Overall, kudos to you for trying, but weak sauce arguments and logical fallacies ain’t gonna get you very far in this debate, just like the (no doubt well meaning) author of the video.
Why didn't God create more than one wife for Adam? Why is their no "happy" families in scripture that participate in polygamy? They were always messed up and dysfunctional. Because of Abraham's extra wives/concubines we have the descendants of Ishmael killing christians and jews. Even Solomon in Song of Solomon is not reminiscing about his multiple wives but his first wife. (It went down hill for him when he started getting more wives). David's polygamist family was also dysfunctional and sick with incest and rape. Why within the requirements of a GODLY man and elder of the church (according to the NT)is he supposed to be the "husband of one wife." If polygamy is blessed why does it say in 1 Corinthians 7 [Greek/Aramic] : But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his one wife, and each woman her one husband." The account of creation itself shows us God's perfect plan for marriage. Genesis 2:24 "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become ONE flesh." Not WIVES. Genesis 2:18 "Then the Lord God said, “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a HELPER [singular] fit for him." In fact, the first man to have a second wife in the OT was Lamech, a son of Cain-- who according to the scriptures also committed the first murder. Much was "allowed" NOT CONDONED because of man's hardened heart and because they didn't know better. Matt. 19:8 " He said to them, “BECAUSE OF YOUR HARDNESS OF HEART Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, BUT FROM THE BEGINNING IT WAS NOT SO." When you know better, you do better. You don't continue in it because God didn't zap them in the OT. Paul addresses this when he says:"What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? NO..." Romans 6: 1-2 And so, if God's ORIGINAL intention was one man and one wife, why should we actively seek something that was not His perfect intention? Luke 16:15 ,"And he said to them, “You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For WHAT IS EXALTED AMONG MEN IS AN ABOMINATION in the sight of God." I believe that God tolerated polygamy, but never condoned it. Deuteronomy 17:17 forbids kings from marrying more than one wife, so it doesn’t make sense that God would give that clear prohibition and then condone it. David seems to be the one many point to as end all be all of polygamy. But the text even says he provided for them (concubines: considered to be "extra wives") but had no sexual relations with them. And according to Jewish tradition, David would take a wife, but once he had his eye on another, he would continue providing for her but stop having sexual relations with her once he took a new wife. The modern day equivalent would be divorce/alimony/ new marriage. The Bible is so honest about humanity and the failures of even those God used mightily, it dutifully records the problems those multiplied wives created. In every biblical account of men having multiple wives, there is conflict. Families not based on a monogamous relationship paid a price. The Bible shows the result of having multiple wives, and it never presents polygamy in a positive light. P.S Your last comment about the Midianite woman is a logical fallacy. It wasn't the "extra wife" they were grumbling about it was the RACE of the extra woman. Context is key. Jewish tradition has it that his first wife had passed away by that point.
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You don't have the right to condemn anybody on this matter , using God's mercy as a cover. . When God does not like a thing , it does not matter who is doing it , He comes out clear about it because His word will be a guide for the future . So God is not passive over sin
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3:59 - "Any woman who's married to man who brought home another wife HAD to have been hurt by it." According to you, and your culture, and your anecdotal experiences. But NOT according to scripture. If taking a 2nd wife was inherently hurtful (always) to the woman, God would have let us know that and protected against it as He does for the weaker sex in so many laws and instructions. In fact there are many examples where a woman asks her husband to take a 2nd wife, or at the very least, brings up the idea to him.
He did govern it. In deut. Also all instances of polygny in bible showed strife. We can learn. The custom was after 10 years no children the man could divorce his wife or take a second wife for children sake. The women were protecting rheirself
So, you think that women wanted their husbands to have intimate relations with other women? That doesn't make any sense. If a marriage is a convenant...Unless...our Father is also into polygamy since he will marry all the church...and cosummate with even men.
@@mrmonay are you serious? God spoke very clearly what men do in Lev and Deut. He spoke very clearly in Malachi 2 how treacherously husbands are with their wives. The culture was man centered and it was custom to have sons to carry on the name. Sarah said she did wrong and God can judge between her and Abraham for allowing Hagar. Hannah was openly distraught because of a second wife and a mean one. Leah told Rachel "You stole my husband" Leah announced now Jacob will love me. And she said now Jacob will dwell with me. A man who does not believ women re human or has feelings is not a godly man.
Can someone explain the verse that shows God giving David the wives and if he had wanted more (wives and land) He would have given it? I’m confused. Seemed like the multiple wives thing was fine because it was inherited but then adultery was not. I’m troubled by that because I think the polygamous situation actually made David more susceptible to falling to adultery. I understand God let him have free will but the verse reads God gave them to David…help me understand please. 7 Then Nathan said to David, “You are the man!(J) This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘I anointed(K) you(L) king over Israel, and I delivered you from the hand of Saul. 8 I gave your master’s house to you,(M) and your master’s wives into your arms. I gave you all Israel and Judah. And if all this had been too little, I would have given you even more. 9 Why did you despise(N) the word of the Lord by doing what is evil in his eyes? You struck down(O) Uriah(P) the Hittite with the sword and took his wife to be your own. You killed(Q) him with the sword of the Ammonites. 10 Now, therefore, the sword(R) will never depart from your house, because you despised me and took the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your own.’ If sin is sin, and sleeping with multiple wives and concubines are just as sinful as murder, why did God speak through Nathan only when Bathsheba happened? It’s not surprising David sinned in that area; he was given free reign over multiple women. Was that just the last straw for God? But then again, didn’t He give David his multiple wives?
Yes and adultery is when one married person sleeps with another married person!!! Especially a man sleeping with another man's wife!@ its even in the ten commandments the laws beside the 10 were more given talked about polygamy and how to treat one's wife...one had to have the resources to have more than one wife
@@SmartTowerco Yes! So, I'm wondering why were David and Bethsheba allowed to stay together? Why were they blessed Solomon....who was blessed to become the most powerful king of all time. He's a product of their sin!
4:44 - "Why didn't God punish them, well I'd argue punishment is built into many sins..." God didn't punish them, because there was no sin to punish for. He also didn't even so much as correct them on it. So you talking about them as IF they were doing something worthy of punishment is completely wrong, and reading into the text what isn't there.
@@BGizzle8098adultery is a sin since the writing of the commandments. Yahusha speaks to the women at the well... if it wasn't a sin to have several partners, this communication wouldn't be added. OR is it just women who can't have several partners?
First woman god created was called Lilith, she was made from earth same like Adam, the 2nd woman god have made was from Adam's rib, Lilith doesn't want to serve the purpose god have gave her, she claim to be the equal of god and Adam, and left the heaven with anger, rage, jealousy, and only want revange for not been EQUAL. I truly don't understand your point by any means, you are just saying woman's jealousy and rivalry happens because of man have more than one wife? Jealousy and evil in people's heart are the trouble, NOT Polygamy, God never against or support Monogamy, nor Polygamy, so please do not pur words in God's mouth.
@@mee23chelle ummm… I am not sure which god you referring to, but my god is most merciful, and it is Lilith kind of selfish jealousy and evil acts that made the world going the wrong way. God has not agree nor disagree with polygamy.
Had anyone ever thought about how the women/wives felt? Some agreed to marry begrudgingly I’m sure, while some women probably thought this was a step up from being a peasant girl and struggling the rest of her life, with lack of food, coming from a poor family that was barely surviving, etc.
Yes, clearly God thought about it in his allowance of it in His perfect law. Isaiah 4 illustrates there will come a day where 7 women are begging for a man to take them, while they provide for themselves and just ask for his name and to take away their reproach. Has anyone ever thought about the Christian widow with 2 children who cannot find a godly man to take her in? But there's a man in her church who has a barren wife and they would gladly take her to be a 2nd wife and father to the children, but the pastor would not allow it, without scripture to back that up? What about the Christian woman who simply waits and waits well beyond her child bearing years for a godly man to take her to be his wife, but no one does. While there are multiple men in her congregation that would happily cover her as a second wife? You see it's always the presupposition that women CAN actually have their pick in every scenario of the most "ideal" circumstances for them that is the lie. So you're creating doctrine out of traditions and lies that actually forbids women from marrying where they could otherwise, with nothing more than tradition and falsehoods to justify it. Woe to those who call good evil, and evil good. Woe to those who preach doctrines of demons that "forbid marriage". Woe to those who teach as doctrines the traditions of men.
Brother David the question is not that God allowed polygamy. The question is there was no questions asked by any prophets (even to King David) to people who had multiple wives.
Hey David.. I'm a cultural anthropologist and if you understand the cultures and the economic and land arrangements in those societies that practise polygamy the practice makes more sense and not in all cases are the women not "treated as you would have other treat yourself" .. some of th cases it's the women that suggest to their husbands that they acquire another wife. I'm pretty sure David didnt have his wives complain about acquiring another wife. Michal complained only of David being naked in public. Our Western culture has different views on the individual and our economy and land isnt dependent upon family and marriages. Actually in our culture we practise "serial monogamy" which is against Gods ideal too and causes hurt via divorces But God appears to still bless those unions with kids. My point is God comes down to where we are and draws us up to a greater ideal.
@Dawn Isola Though I don't partake in poligamy, I would like to ask you ma'am why you feel the need to showcase your body in your profile picture? I would think that a woman so concerned about not being used by men physically, would have the same feeling towards being looked upon visually possibly by a man in a lustful way...
3:12 - "How would I feel if my wife brought home another husband, and then another one..." Well according to scripture she would never have that opportunity as she would have been put to death for it. Scripture is VERY clear that a woman is bound to her husband until he dies. Adultery is always based on the woman's marital status. So it's off the table for women. Also, women aren't designed for multiple husbands (by God). Men are designed in a way that some have the capacity to cover more than one woman. Some men have more capacity than others. For a good man to "love his wife (or wives) as himself", well some men wouldn't be able to equally provide/protect/love 2 women, some struggle with 1. But that's not the point, the point is whether or not the man who has that capacity (or gift) can as a Christian use it. Christendom has emphatically told him no, not a chance. But his bible says no such thing.
It's very obvious that a man can have more than one wife because God said he gave David multiple wives and would have given him more. 2 Samuel 12:8. God is holy and perfect and so is his law. Moses had multiple wives and he is the one who wrote the 10 commandments and the law, which states a man can have multiple wives. Deuteronomy 21:15-17 God almighty answered the prayer of a woman in a polygamous marriage, and she became pregnant. God will not answer a sinful prayer? 1 Samuel 1:19-20 God almighty even answers prayers of two women in a polygamous marriage to the same man, and they both give birth to sons. Again, God will not answer a sinful prayer request! Genesis 30:15-17 Genesis 30:22-24
I want to know how Solomon was considered a man of great wisdom? I just don't get it. Nobody usually talks about this, probably because they don't know how to answer it. Yet some Christians can come down on a divorced woman like a ton of bricks if they were to remarry. Even treating them as if they had committed the worst sin imaginable, the unpardonable sin.
Bible says he had supernatural knowledge of anything you asked him. It was so impressive and such a keen gift that Queen of Sheba traveled just to check it out. She said it surpassed her expectations.
@@JoshuaTCoe But not wise enough to not marry Sheba...a woman of pagan origins. What did his wise mind surmise would occur with this covenant? Doesn't seem wise to me. Seems like lust got the best of him, continually.
If it was his permissive will why did he tell Hagar to go back why did he tell David he would have given him more when he took another man's and what about isa 4:1 when 7 women will take hold of one man?
I like how you start with the “ Bible doesn’t address” and then just give your opinion. Monogamy is just one type of relationship style. Today’s marriage has a 50% failure rate.isn’t working.
God's ordained pattern of marriage isn't what's not working. What's not working are the people's hearts that are committed to staying together and loving each other through thick and thin.
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It makes more sense What then if a woman and man as per African culture , agree to polygamy Do you mean God hates African practice Does God hates African culture Are you aware of African culture , spirituality Do you teach only from western perspective or
Is this an attempt at normalizing polygamy? Maybe that used to be the old normal. Now you guys preach monogamy. Not a sin before, now it is? How about gays? Could it be an old normal too? Hate the sins but not the sinner? You people are baffling
Well I encourage you to seek out better teachers, because this is one of the worst teachings on this on YT. Look up Peter Rambo's response to this video, where he uses actual scripture to refute this man and his false teaching.
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2:30 - You started out well but then, as most do on this topic, I suppose you felt the need to poison the well. I'm not sure most commentators on this topic even understand they are doing it. But I try to give the benefit of the doubt. We don't know that Lamech was the first to have 2 wives, it's just the first recorded. If we aren't going to speak about music, metalworks or animal husbandry in the same way and use ad hominem attacks to attach to it because of Lamech, then we also shouldn't attach polygyny to him where the scripture did not say he was the "first" to do It or even describe his marriages in any negative way.
God allows man to have their own choices but that does not mean that He approves of it. The consequences will be the felt for one’s actions or choices.
At the end of the day spiritual things are spiritually discerned. People who want to sin will find reasons in the bible that allows sin. Those that want to be Godly you will find that if you want.
One thing you people should stop forming your own views if having more than one woman is wrong you dont think god would put that in the ten commandment or punish Abraham Jacob David etc but instead he love and bless them only punish David for taking a married woman another man wife
@@Bad2DBonz when u talking about new covanant it seems u implying god was wrong yesterday and making correction today .God can never be wrong so if he doesnt see the act as sin yesterday it cant be sin today
@@dennisosbourne4970 READ ”Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: but this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.“ Jeremiah 31:31-34 KJV
@@dennisosbourne4970 Read Jeremiah 31: 31-34 GOD SAID HE WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT AND HE DID. All them wives/ husbands Not ALLOWED! It was NEVER GODS WILL. God knew how man would be.
Never ever was marrying multiple women, considered a wrong doing in front of God. In fact God wants a man to avoid Sin and have more wives if he can take care of their liabilities and formal obligations. God bless you with more when you commit a legal legit relationship with a woman's nd give her respect and grow a family.
TH-cam or the channel admin has deleted a well fleshed out and bible based argument for the opposing side. I will post it again for the good of those that want to study this topic.
So many topics about this but this one is the most vivid understandable and straight to the point I've ever encountered. I thank God for you, and more wisdom from the Lord❤️🙏🏼
Praise God for only matching those who belong! In accordance with this word and proverbs 31:1-5, 1 kings 11:4, 1 timothy 3:2-3, 1 corinthians 7:2-4, psalm 37:4, exodus 20:14, 2 corinthians 6:14-18 I bind one to desire a monogamous, faithful marriage for oneself while binding to hell every lack of desiring a monogamous, faithful marriage for oneself while binding one to know turning to multiple women or men takes away one's strength in my life, the lives of my family, friends, colleagues, neighbours, acquitances, opponents and the body of Christ, binding to hell every unequal yoke and common share with anyone lacking a desire for a monogamous, faithful marriage while lacking to acknowledge turning to multiple women or men takes away one's strength, in the name and blood of Jesus Christ, amen and hallelujah, glory to God ❤!
I am sorry but this is just wrong in many ways. Biblically men are allowed to have more than one wives based on these circumstances. 1. The women has to be single, you cannot marry a married women. 2. The women cannot have more than one husband. There's only one verse that says you can have only one wife and that's if you are a bishop, 1 Timothy 3:2.
It is hard to convince a man that it is a stupid idea considering to get another babe after telling the same man the known truth that the wisest man who ever lived did the same, I think Solomon just over did it but 20 babes wouldn't be bad for me man of God. Glory be to Jesus
You are not stupid by being Polygamous. Solomon was focused on not having wars during his reign which he accomplished. He did so by choosing to Marry the daughters and other women and as such, their Father's and other Kings had no choice but to Trade and not War with Israel. At this time, Israel was one of the most visited places. Do research and stop making empty suppositions and forcing and misapplying scriptures to project a point that isnt bionically sound. Solomon's issue was as the bible said, he took wives of nations that he shouldnt. David issue was he took another man's wife, not that he took more than one wife.
This is so wrong although I feel the heart is in the right place. God created rules for polygyny(not polygamy). The chapter DIRECTLY after the 10 commandments, gives law on how to operate a polygynous marriage. God allows polygyny(one man, multiple women). Not open polygamy (one woman multiple men).
3:50 that no longer applîes today. If you look at the official population data published by UN there are roughly 5.6 Billion women and 2.3 Billion men. The number of men gets reduced for men in jail, already married, relatives of women, over 65, unemployed..and the number drops significantly. There's an average of over 5 women per man nowadays. Just do your research, instead of just making assumptions.
Nobody cares! Marriage is about true love and loyalty towards one woman and one man. Its Not about giving your d**k as charity to unmarried women. U mo*on!
It is written in the last days 7 woman will ask 1 man to please take them as wives. David was a man after Gods own heart because of hes pasion and faith and because he understood Gods pasion for all hes women and men. Some men and some woman are uniquely diverse in intrests and abillities and it is just impractical to expect them to be fulfilled in only one relationship. Its not always because of sex but mostly about fulfilment in cooperation and comunal life purpose. People just have to accept that what works for most does not always work for all.
If we were to assume that, then we will have to assume God was ok with him committing adultery with the married woman called Bathsheba as well, which we know is not the case since ADULTERY is clearly in the 10 Commandments. David was not Jesus. He did sin a lot. God is the ultimate judge of our lives, not man. He was pleased overall with David because of his relationship with him, but just like all the Great man in the bible, and all of creation, God loves us despise out sinful nature.
Please help me understand how Moses who literally experienced YAHOVAH GOD HIMSELF, many, many profound miracles and even witnessed the written 10 Commandments?🤷🏼♀️ Number 7 was actually commanding he obey NOT to commit Adultery? In the New Testament it tells us that an Adulterer WILL NOT ENTER HEAVEN? So how is Moses going to be in Heaven? What am I not seeing here? I am SO CONFUSED! Is a Commandment not really a Commandment? It just seems that all I have learned about being a Believer has all been a hypocrasy? I am Seriously disturbed by all of this Fornication? Even Jesus spoke to Moses before HE departed???
King Solomon was at peace with all his neighbors. In those days kings gave daughters as a sign of joined kingdoms. King Solomon’s wives were given not taken.
My parents were married 62 years. Born in England and migrated to Australia when I was 4 years old. For medical reasons my mother could only have one child and that was me. My Father was 4 years older than my Mother. They were so happy together and inseparable. My Mother died suddenly aged 85 after she had gone to the bathroom and had sat down in her recliner chair. Dad was sitting in another chair and hadn't even noticed that she had died. Dad who was always so jovial with everyone had become solemn and withdrawn and he missed Mum dearly. He would kiss her photo every night before retiring to bed. He just wanted to be where she was, to be reunited again with her. 4 months after her death Dad died, God had granted his wish. Now that is pure love between a husband and wife! That kind of a marriage is God's recipe for fulfillment and happiness.
Wow!!!
beautiful
My x’s mom & dad were like that. They were around that age when they passed. The dad died first & the mom not too long after. ❤ I thought they were the sweetest couple.
The same thing happened with my grandparents! After my grandma died my grandpa was "I don't want to live anymore (because she was not here physically anymore)" and just one month after he went with her.
Fyi - there is no husband and wife in heaven, read your bible
You did not answer the question. Why did God allow some men to have multiple wives in the OT? David is said to be cut in God's heart and in the Book of Hebrews Gideon is considered as one of the heroes of faith . Yet these two had many wives (more than four). Judges 8:30 & 2 Samuel 12: 8-12.
The sin of Solomon is to marry wives from idolatrous nations which the Lord has forbidden the Israelites to intermarry since they will turn their hearts to their gods. The Lord did not forbid Solomon or the Israelites to marry more than one wives if they come from the tribes of Israel - 1 Kings 11 1-4.
Deuteronomy 17:17
What about 2 Samuel 12:8?
So true the Christians are just too stupid to realize that God is not against having multiple wives... read the Bible and you'll understand for your self these churches cherry pick
That's how I read it.
If god didn’t want men to have multiples wives why is their guidelines in the Bible on how to treat your multiple wives?
Where Is this? I've really been diving into this and I'd really want to see the verses
@@zekefason6899 Deuteronomy 21:15
This law was written for the protection of children. It was not written to justify or condone polygamy.
Matthew 19:4-6 NKJV
[4] And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ [5] and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? [6] So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”
[8] He said to them, “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.
@@rebeccavieux Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”
8Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
Understand what’s happening here the Pharisees we’re trying to trip up Jesus by asking why is it lawful to send away your wife (the practice of trading your wife for another) he then explains the only lawful form of divorce.
Seek the actual truth instead of putting your preconceived ideas onto the Bible.
@LorenaCruz-le2mz God told david that it was him that gave david his wives he also told him he would of given him more if David asked. You make it seem like God bends the knee to sin and tolerated it, but in reality it was never a sin in the first place. Remember you can’t love God if you hate the truth.
I think it’s pretty clear to say God had no problem with it.
I like your video but I disagree with your approach on this one. You used today’s mental thinking and values to define and discredit polygamy which does not apply during the church period, Jews still practice polygamy while Roman law prohibited it. In the Old Testament period polygamy was practiced for various reasons such as 1.There were more females than males.
2.There was a desire to increase the wealth of the household.
3.A large number of children was needed to work the fields or with the herds.
4.Many females died in childbirth.
5.In nomadic communities it was important for every female to be attached to a household.
As to David and Solomon, I am more then sure their polygamy was politically related and not because he fell in love 8 to 700 times. In addition, it is documented that many Mormon families have more than one wife and they live in harmony with one another. Not to say that it’s legal or correct in today’s setting but at the same time, it’s not biblically condemned. Disunity, and jealousy is not the curse of polygamy because that is also experienced in monogamists marriages.
I still like your videos although this one was way off course. I think it could have been developed much better.
I agree with you 100%
You missed the point.
God designed marriage to be one man and one woman. Polygamy is a sin.
@@mandi3366 show me where? If that was the case, David would have not been a man after G-d’s heart as described.. and what about concubines? You think that was sinful too?
And the strife in a poly family is well noted.
God never call any of the men in the Bible that had multiple wives stupid for having multiple wives.
1. Have he considered that God said be fruitful and multiplie.
(1 man 100 woman can Repopulate an island) (1 woman 100 men = extinction)
2. God never condemned the practice. The only scripture that came close was "a bishop should have one wife". Why only a Bishop?
3. Have you ever considered that to be a sister wife was not degrading but a benefit. Not all men could afford to have multiple wifes. The men who had multiple wives had to be prepared to take care of them.
4. Jesus even spoke of the comming of bridegroom which had 10 brides going to meet 1 groom. Yes 5 wise 5 foolish but just 1 groom? If in the natural this practice was against God's will why the Parallel?
#2 The fact that God forbids in the case of the bishop proves that he count it as ok for the others. So yes.
#4 Its is said nowhere that these virgins are there to marry the groom. We know that the groom was accompanied, also from virgins, ti his marriage. They were invited and part of the feast, they were not the brides. Look also Revelation 19:9 and context. The bride is the new Jerusalem. BTW: you cant use details of an object lesson to make a point. Parables are only there to teach a truth, which is clearly expressed: "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour."
Those Arguments are suppositions and if we really dig into the historical, cultural and systems of marriage we will see that there was a reason and it qualified for what they did. If you look at the list of Sexual Sins listed in Leviticus you will see that no where was Polygamy mentioned. It had NO punishment attached to Polygamy but there was a way in which it was to be practiced and it wasnt based on selfishness or depriving another man from a wife.
It was not mentioned because adultery was mentioned and having many wives is a sweet name for multiple constant adultery so do not be decieved.
@@sharonowino430 Entering multiple marriage covenants was never explicitly forbidden nor does the scripture refer to it as adultery. In fact it was permitted with some exceptions.
Furthermore God gave Saul's wives to David.
"And I gave you your master's house and your master's wives into your arms..."
2 Samuel 12:8
Slavery was also not condemned. Would you want to be enslaved?
@@graceoyizaoluwasegun6201
What do you say to those who do choose to be slaves?
sound like you have done some serious study. where are from, m from south africa.
God never condemned it. He regulated it. By the way, it was never a ' sin' that God overlooked.
Kim Hammond exactly. people love to manipulate the Bible and use baseless examples to prove their lies
Amen, plural family is a blessing of the lord.
@@Go-Getter very true
@Confused But Enthused divorce that piece of s**t. He does not love u.
@Confused But Enthused he does not love you and does not respect you. Moreover you are not special to him. You just one of the vaginas on his way.
Sorry to say it the way it is.
Love is a sacrifice sometimes and there are men and women who know that and do sacrifice. Whether its sickness, children, culture or a country to live in. If God puts u under the test, the person who loves u will try to handle it with you. Not with someone else. Easy and simple.
I am happily married to a man who loves me, and he sacrifices a lot to be with me. And was waiting for me, and respects my boundaries.
That's why i can tell your man is just using u.
Please show the commandant where God bands multiple. Instead of giving us 20-minutes of your human interpretation and putting words in the Lourdes mouth
Please give command where God established it. I can show you one where he governs it but does not command it
Jacob married Laban's two daughters, and they were not happy about having to share a husband with each other.
I cant imagine how theyd be happy, unless bisexual, which isnt biblical… so what then :,)
@@MOOin.thegamercow "When Leah saw that she had stopped bearing, she took her maid Zilpah and gave her to Jacob as a wife. 10 Leah’s maid Zilpah bore Jacob a son. 11 Then Leah said, “How fortunate!” So she named him Gad. 12 Leah’s maid Zilpah bore Jacob a second son. 13 Then Leah said, “Happy am I! For women will call me happy.” So she named him Asher." - Gen 30
These women had their struggles at times, but to claim that they were fundamentally unhappy is a massive stretch. The average women in a monogamous marriage today expresses far more discontent than you can find any biblical account.
@@mrmonaythey were literally warring with one another by having children, for their husband's love. They were not happy they had to share.
@@thescenarios5934 it really had nothing to do with having to share a husband, it was about having many children, either way their behavior wasn’t righteous and it was only when they each gave their maids as wives to Jacob to bear more children that Yah blessed them by opening the wombs He closed.
If it was a violation on any law like you say then how are Jacob, Abraham and Isaac in the kingdom as Jesus said
When I ask God a question the answer pops up on my You tube page with one of your little lessons. I'm truly blessed by God. thank you David.
Bc your phone listens to what u say and type on your phone duh
@@amdg01007 Only have a land line. I'm a 74 yr old phone a phobe. Try to be nice, why don't you?
There are no coincidences
@@amdg01007she/he literally said thought it
I personally wonder how all these people who call Moses or David or all the other bible heroes stupid, when they stand before them in heaven. When your life is shown next to theirs. The vanity of some people.
THE SCRIPTURES NEVER SAY. That should be the end.
God never say men can have more women, thats bs, lets be honest
its a MAN who said and wanted to have more women in order to show and have more power, and then says “god allows MEN to have many wives”
It was the culture back then. Some translations of Deuteronomy 17:17 says "he must not have "many" wives."
What's many wives?
Also Jesus talks much about how people were not condemned when doing certain things not allowed in the law.
And finally we have what Paul says in Romans 14:22
"Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves."
This is the truth about our beliefs.
But if we hurt each other then we're in violation. Not all polygamy is a violation of the Golden rule.
Some agree and consent to this lifestyle.
No disrespect but it's absurd to say polygamy is bad, when it wasn't bad for the patriarchs.
Ik the Old Testament it was also good an eye for an eye but god won’t allow revenge anymore l.
@@barbwireb7779 Huh?
Have to agree.
Hagar and Sarah, rachel and leah, hannah and Penn. Read a little more
@@Susan-fg3nv If Hagar had been an Israelite, Abraham could have just had her as one of his own. It's not polygamy that was bad, it's how people use it.
This video is incorrect. However, polygamy was practiced for many different reasons and not just for love. Today we marry for love but back in the older days it was practiced for political, social status, and economic reasons. The bigger the family, the more protected they were. So polygamy was not a sin but a necessity. In Roman law during the church period, it was illegal to practice polygamy but Jews still practiced polygamy while the Roman law had to adjust to Jewish practice. These are all the topics this video did not cover. Polygamy was not a sin
Will you expound further? With bible verses
@@NA-oc7eq today we consider polygamy a sin due to it being government law as illegal and based on limited New Testament bible passages in choosing an Elder. However, according to Paul, the law exposes sin. If there is no law, then how do we know if it’s a sin? This is the question of Paul and stating the purpose of the law.
In the Old Testament, they had plenty of laws from the Torah. 613 commands to be exact. Not one of them prohibited polygamy. Many of G-d people in the Old Testament had multiple wives. Had it been a sin, would you think G-d would have stated what he said about David being a man after G-d’s heart? Of course not. Simple answer is, if there was no law against it, then it was not a sin.
During the time of Adam and Eve, it was not a sin to marry your sister , nieces or aunts because no law existed. After the book of Leviticus, now there was a law on who you can and can not have a sexual relationship with. The rest of what is said about the purpose and necessities of multiple wives is all in secular history. Oh, I did not even mentioned the subject of concubines....
@@NA-oc7eq in this video, he used lots of emotional arguments to justify his answers for Old Testament setting which can not be done. As to jealousy among multiple wives is a subjective thought. Many multiple wives among the mornings today- in Utah, don’t have the problem of jealousy but work together in harmony. See their documentary on this subject. How can jealousy exist among the wives because of having multiple wives, when that was a natural occurrence and a norm. If jealousy occurred, it was due to other factors- not for having being the 3rd wive nor the first because they all knew the possibilities existed . Anyway, I think I said enough
@@trevino37 yeah, how about the concubines too, heard that jews back then were allowed to purchase them?
@@NA-oc7eq yes that was another big setting.but I did not know they could purchase them.... it was not a sin to have a concubine back then either.. concubines had their necessities as well which G-d provided. If It was a. sin, then why would G-d not simply gave all women the ability to bear children even at old age? But G-d instead allowed concubines and some women in the Bible could not bear children - and that was almost a social disgrace.
The questions isn’t “why did god allow it”, but rather “why didn’t god call prophets that practiced it?” Two very different questions, and depending on your answer you will support LDS historical practice of polygamy.
“Punishment is built into many sins.” That’s powerful
And what's the punishment for having 2+ wives?
Having many wives is a sin. So God didn't allow polygamy. Why would God allow sin?
I think that Solomon had all those wives so that he could tell us that it's all vanity.
That's a good point.
He was intelligent but his dick overcame his knowledge.
Everything is vanity and chasing the wind. So a man should satisfy himself with the breast of one wife. God warns men to be fair and do well by the wife of his youth. Also, these strange women turned Solomon away fro God and Israel was split into the northern and southern kingdoms.
@@yeshuaislord3872 The problem is lust. Solomon was wise, wealthy, and God- fearing. Being lustful and whorish was his undoing. Not unlike his father. These were great men. Revered and respected but not perfect. They both broke the law when taking multiple wives. Solomon paid dearly for it.
@@yeshuaislord3872 Women who get married whether it is to one man with one wife or one man with many wives are expected to be faithful. Paul says that a man and his wife owe each other due benevolence. When a man wants his wife she is to comfort him. How can one man comfort multiple wives at once? The whole arrangement is very selfish. As far as King David is concerned, He is the only person in the bible described as a man after God's own heart. God forgave him for his sin with Bathsheba. He promised more wives to King David only. Everyone else is breaking the law by taking more than one wife. King Solomon had 300 wives. Was that not lustful? Every man with multiple wives broke the law. God forbade the practice when Israel fired God and asked Samuel for a king. This excluded Jacob and other men who had multiple wives before God forbade it.
Rom 5 v 13 is very clear we know sin by the LAW. 1 John 3v4 is clear as well sin is the transgression of the LAW. You sir like all others who who oppose biblical marriage which includes polygyny do not ever quote a LAW that states "you shall not lie with another woman as you do with your wife" or "You shall not add a wife to the wife you have" or "You shall only have one wife" or "you shall not covet your neighbour's husband" or "You shall covet a virgin if you are married to a wife". You also never quote a scripture that calls the act reprobate, sinful, wicked, an abomination, defiling. The real reason why you never quote these commandments is because there are no commandments remotely resembling these. Yahuwah issued commands against homosexuality, bestiality, incest, sleeping with another man's wife but never against having more than one wife. The best you can do in your video is start of by appealing, not to scripture, but general consensus by saying "i think we can also say generally it was not god's will". Homosexuality, theft, lying, murder all these were not God's perfect will and he expressed this point in the form of commandments against these acts. What i am saying sir is that Yahuwah's will is expressed clearly in his law. If Yahuwah wills for a thing to not be done he will give a commandment to that effect. Therefore what you just did in claiming that polygyny is against Yahuwah's will even thought he did not say that is eisegesis. As a man trying his best to be a good exegete you should not begin with an idea and then wrap scripture around it. That is how heresies and traditions of man are born. If there is no LAW against polygyny then a man who marries 2 women has not been disobedient. INSTRUCTION precedes disobedience. If they is no instruction to marry ONLY one then there can be no evil in the polygynist. Secondly your treatment of Solomon and his sin is entirely of your own fabrication. You dealt with two scriptures 2 Kings 11 and Deut 17 but you did not demonstrate that you understood either of those texts. Firstly 2 Kings does not qoute Deut 17v17 as the law that Solomon broke. The law that the author of 2 Kings accuses Solomon of breaking is Deut 7v3-4. Deut 7 NOT deut 17 is quoted in 2 Kings 11. 2 Kings is abundantly clear to the exegete, it is the heathen beliefs of Solomon's wives not their number that turned him away. The accusation that Solomon broke Deut 17 is entirely unbiblical and based on on you desire to rebuke solomon for polygyny. Duet 17v17 which is not quoted in the bible as a commandment that Solomon broke does not say that a king should not have more that one wife. Look closely at the entire text. Neither the numbers 1 or 2 are present only the word multiply, which could mean anything. And that is ok because that verse deut 17v17 is not saying that any number is better than another number. What the verse is saying is that a king must be careful with the worldly goods he acquires. The sufficiency of his wealth which includes silver, gold and horses must not cause him to forget that it is Yahuwah that gave him those things. The verse also says a king must not multiply horses, silver and gold just the same as he should not multiply wives. Does this mean that he must only have one horse in his military, for a war financed by one gold coin and one silver coin. Interpreting the word multiply in Deut 17 to mean only one would be ridiculous when it comes to the horses the silver and the gold. If we are to be consistent we must also conclude that having only one wife is a ridiculous interpretation of Deut 17v17. As for the golden rule. You have greatly misapplied it. It does not mean everyone gets treated the same. Your wife gets impregnated by you, have you ever been impregnated by her. Slaves obey their masters but masters do not obey their slaves. Parents must beat their children but children who beat their parents must be killed. Christ is not undoing the distinctions that exist between humans. Christ wants husbands and wives to both be faithful in their covenant. But the contract of marriage demands of the man that he protect and provide for the woman he owns. The same contract has different roles for the woman who is owned. Since the man is her master and no one can have two masters it is the role of the woman not give the the rights of her master has to another. Therefore no extra husbands. This is expessed in the law of Moses that prohibits a man from lying with his neighbour's wife but does not prohibit a woman from lying with her neighbour's master. Cant wait to discuss this further with you.
If God allows polygamy, but doesn't allow adultery, then having multiple wives is not adultery?
No becuase adultery is cheating on your wife . If you have 2 wives how can you cheat if they are both your wives. I think its adultery if he stepped out if those marriages .
@@dannyalonso2169 Well, because you START with one wife, in a convenant. If you stepped out and get another one, that's adultery.
God is too Gracious 🥹 I can’t even not get mad reading the Old Testament 😭 praise God for His mercy🙏🏽❤️
😂😂😂😂 no foreal
Phrases That Indicate Somebody Isn't Telling the Truth.
“To be honest”
“To tell you the truth”
“Believe me”
“Let me be clear”
“The fact is”
You may think these phrases will convince others of your reliability and you probably mean to bolster your integrity and accuracy, but this isn’t necessary if you’re being honest.
This actually helped me understand something totally different. That God doesn't punish us. He just allows us to fail and suffer consequences. Just like that's all we can do with our own children. We didn't hold their hand on the stove...
3:29 - If having more than 1 wife is a violation of loving thy neighbor as thyself, then how can any of us have more than 1 child by that logic if by the mere virtue (according to you) of having a second, the 1st wouldn't be loved as much or properly?
Bro you can make numerous children in a marriage, you cannot make the same number of ageable partners silly
@@fruitypebbles4148 This is one of the more nonsensical arguments I've seen... What? The statement wasn't about "making" children or partners, it was about loving more than one properly.
@@mrmonay i did not read it correctly, but by the same token, you dont love your children the same way you love your spouse
I agree with the commenter who said you never answered the question, but if you look across TH-cam, you'll find many others failing to answer that question. I don't believe scripture gives us a clear answer. We'll know in the next realm, as God promises "All will be revealed." For 99.99% of us I think one is enough.
The fall of man came from monogamy. The 12 tribes came from a man with 4 wives. It's not a sin, otherwise the patriarchs would have been reprimanded, they kept the law.
You don't have to be married to anyone, or you could have 10 wives. Either way the bible doesn't say it's a sin.
@A Wise Youngling Where in the law is it prohibited?
There was no law commanding polygny. There was a law that said if you chose this is how its gonna play out.
@@Susan-fg3nv Yup. MEANING it's morally acceptable.
@@NeshieTheKingSlayer I believe it is morally allowed as long as you are not building a empire on your wife's tears. God created woman for man to be loved. NOT used. Any woman that agrees more power to her. Any man who can more power to him. A husband has to lead a wife. There is no get out of jail card if he chose one out of lust or he fails to keep his family together.
Why does the Bible say when Abraham passed away that Abraham kept his Commandments and more. If it was sin wrong.
That's why I'm struggling as a believer. Abraham was a rapist and our Father saw that it was fine. And he gave Hagar the great news that Ishmael would be like a donkey, fighting with everyone. So, essentially, Hagar is raped and then cursed. It doesn't make any sense.
This is a great example of going by feelings and not Gods word
I came here thinking you was going to reference scripture but all you gave was your opinion
I disagree for once, the western mindset of marriage has been distorted by the enemy through feminism.
Whether it is applicable, culturally workable or feasible today, we can discuss same, but stop making something that God never said was a sin, a sin. God will never allow sin. Abraham, Lamech, Gideon, David, Solomon and the many others even coming into the NT era were not sinning by having multiple wives folks. DYOR.
This concept drives me nuts!!! I can’t understand how you can continuously live in sin and have no desire to change and still call yourself a Christian. My brain cannot wrap itself around this specific topic 🤦♀️
Because maybe, just maybe, polygyny is not sin and the church lied to you?
@@petergramboit’s sin, and these men of the Bible still fell due to it even though God allowed it because of their own passions. God worked with them however punishment is built into sins. Like her said.
@@JamesJr1981 Where does God call it sin? Prove it.
@@petergrambo for some people no matter what you show them they will refuse to believe because they have their own agenda. For that reason I have no answer for you because you don’t seek the truth.
@@JamesJr1981 🤣🤣🤣
God knows always better! Sometime I think is better without a wife.
You could read Corinthians 1-7 just focus on the things of the lord
The way I understand it, God is not tolerant, He is just very patient with us. He doesn't tolerate sins, yet He's patient with us to realize how sinful we are and to repent.
God GAVE wives to Solomon and David and Job. We aren’t asking questions about why God allowed sin. We are asking why the Bible clearly states multiple times that God gave man multiple wives. Very weak answer in this video
God designed marriage to be one woman and one man
Genuine question. I can think of one place where God says He gave multiple wives to David. Where else does it say God gave multiple wives to such and such…
@@JoshuaTCoe That’s a good point, I don’t know off the top of my head. My personal answer, is that the old testament isn’t exactly claiming that God gave them to him as his plan. It’s more just that David was blessed in his position and God allowed it. And God “gave” David wives in the sense that God didn’t withhold any earthly thing from him. But that would require a not quite as literal interpretation of specific old testament passages. One more example though, God never mentioned for Abraham to get rid of his sex slave, Hagar. I mean maybe that’s a strong term, because he was providing for her and not keeping her drug addicted or some thing. But she still a slave and has to have sex with him when he wants. The unbelieving world is gonna keep laughin at us if we keep giving weak answers though. Still searching myself
@@bradvincent2586 I don’t think she was a sex slave, she was a second wife. I can’t imagine someone being so close to God being so evil as to use someone as an object. I don’t think God would get super close to someone who persisted in that- maybe I’m wrong.
God not condemning David’s multiple wives definitely requires explanation because it’s just so confusing.
We see God take the child David conceived with Bathsheba so that Israel would know what David did was wicked and God wasn’t with it. If God continued to prosper David without consequence then God would look like He’s okaying a bully murdering and taking peoples wives which God couldn’t allow.
The question then becomes, why’d He not condemn the multiple wives? And really, you could say that He did:
Neither shall he multiply wives for himself, lest his heart turn away; nor shall he greatly multiply silver and gold for himself.
Deut 17
The question here becomes how can David be the man after Gods heart when he did multiply both wealth and wives disobeying the command of God?
Another thought is the verse gives reason why the king shouldn’t multiply wealth and wives “lest His heart turn away (from God of course.)” So it could be that multiple wives and wealth isn’t a problem provided the heart isn’t turned away. With wealth I think that’s certainly the case. God gave Job MORE wealth after his charade and he was already the greatest man in the east as the Bible says.
So clearly, in regards to wealth God has no problem provided your priorities are straight in your heart. As far as wives surely there’s something wrong with that. Isn’t it carnal?
What if it’s not? Is it possible to love and enjoy multiple wives? Or does having multiple automatically mean you’re not acting lovingly toward one?
And if that’s the case what if they all feel loved and are perfectly content with their situation- would it then be wrong? Perhaps it was a situation where they all felt loved/taken care of and David was treating them well, while also loving God before all of his wives…
In that case would he be breaking the law of God [love God and others]? I’m starting to think not.
It really throws a wrench in my cog since there’s no direct condemnation of this form of polygamy, and it certainly doesn’t seem to hinder David or Solomons success or relationship with God. Which is to seem to say Gid is cool with it. God wouldn’t let you so close and give you an everlasting crown if He wasn’t.
The problem is it just feels off. Could that be societal programming? I’m not sure. If it were the case that David’s polygamy was not sin then that would be very weird to swallow.
It has to be either sin or not sin. If it’s not sin that seems weird. If it’s sin then how could God prosper a man choosing to live in a disobedient lifestyle toward God (unrepentant)?
Clearly David was repentant which is to say his wives wearnt a sin in the sight of God??
The more I think about it the more I’m starting to think polygamy can align with Gods law to love God and others provided all the women are perfectly content/not jealous/not wanting and feel perfectly and and adequately loved.
The question then is can this ^ even be possible, if no then we’re back to how could God prosper a willing sinner and why then is David a willing sinner when the Bible says he’s not? If yes, then my mind has just be blown out of the water and I want multiple wives.
No favoritism in the kingdom right? It couldn’t work for me because me wanting it is carnal, not of pure love so it would break the law of God. And good luck finding a woman that’s cool with you kissing on another…
Very very difficult problem here in my opinion.
@@JoshuaTCoe well she was a servant who wasn’t free to leave and he could have sex with her if he wanted 🤷🏼♂️
The logic was so bad that you convinced me polygamy is not a sin.
“Then the kingdom of heaven will be comparable to ten virgins, who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.
Matthew 25:1 NASB1995
Yes - God in his perfect will used a sinful metaphor to describe his so marrying the Church. Why would he use a sin to describe his perfect will in relationships to his son.
Also father God has multiple wives, he describes multiple cities turning against him.
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This idea that God created one woman one man so that was his intended design is such foolish and broken logic it’s embarrassing and it’s sad to see so many people be fooled into thinking this is wisdom lol
The people like this man who say this don’t apply that train of logic to anything else. Why doesn’t he promote we walk around naked today? That was Gods initial intended design wasn’t it? Should we walk around naked? No lol. Why do we eat meat? Adam and Eve did not eat meat in the garden. Is it against Gods will for us to eat meat lol no. Eve is technically made of the same genetic material as Adam, pulled from his rib, making her a fraternal twin sister, are we saying incest is in Gods design? Should we be breeding with our sisters? Lol no Ofcourse not. All of the sons of Adam that took wives took their sisters to be wives. Again is incest in Gods design? Lol of course not. But this is the “logic” that’s used to try to turn down something God clearly accepted and regulated as part of his design for man.
Then the second part of the broken logic that is laughable…the first person described to have multiple wives is Lamech and he was a murderer so having multiple wives must be bad lol. Let’s apply this same logic pattern to Adam and Eve who you claim to be the intended design and yet they disobeyed God causing the fall of all humanity, so monogamy must be bad right? How about Cain? The very first murderer of the Bible was a monogamous man and the product of a monogamous marriage. As far as we can tell he was also a virgin man when he killed his brother as he did not have a wife or is not described to have had one at the time. Is chastity bad then because Cain was not married when he killed his brother lol ofcourse not.
This is garbage logic trying to be passed off as wisdom.
Well reasoned response ❤
😡I just debated a guy all day on Facebook about God's law and having one wife, to his argument of multiple wives & concubines. He kept throwing out 2 Samuel 12:8 on how Nathan told David, how God gave him Sauls wives when he became king. But in Deuteronomy 17:17 it says not to take on for yourself multiple wives. 🤔. And now here it is MOSE'S himself had 2 wives???😳 "I don't understand this book" .. and I don't like looking like an idiot trying to stand up for what I believe. 😡 😵💫😵💫😵💫. is it okay, or is it not?
Read Deuteronomy 21:15
Who knows? I'm on the search as well and mostly just gets more confusing and bizarre the further I go.
Sorry. But a wife. Is totally different than a husband. Lots of men have more than one wife now in this world. What are they to do. Leave them all.
It was never a sin to av more wives, 2 Samuel 12 : 8. Here God said I gave thy master's wives into thy bosom.
Well David , you have answered so many things I wanted to know for so long and finally got enlightenment on them. I always wondered why did Solomon have so many wives and concubines. And as you say God let them have there own choices. Don’t know how he pleased all of them. But in Arabic customs, you are judged by how many wives you have. But we know God made one man and one woman . I do like your subjects, short and you come to the point. I don’t like things long out stretched.
I also followed your short teaching on masterbation, that is something nobody could explain to me , weather it was ok or not. But I always thought the thoughts that one needs to masterbate is sinful , lustfull, so that is why we need to look out for that.
But David came after Moses and what about 7th Commandment? Not sure that the natural consequences of 2 wives is the punishment ,... to say God is tolerant and merciful sounds squishy and heretical, but maybe I missed the main part of the message. !
i beg you (or your supporters) to respond to this comment so that we may talk about this issue. You are incredibly misinformed on this issue. The question that must first be answered is "is polygyny a sin?". This requires that we first of all know what sin is. 1 John 3v4 we are told that sin is the transgression of the law. Rom 5v13 and 7v7 say the same thing. Sin is defined by the Law. John 1v17 tells us that the law came by Moses while Christ brought grace and truth. Christ did not bring the law and his disciples including his best friend deny that he did. Moses' writings must inform our opinion on matters of morality. Remember that if both paul and John are teaching that Moses ALONE functioned as lawgiver, then that means Christ believed that to. Yahushua is the one that led them to this conclusion about Moses, He taught both men after all. If we are to understand Christ's words and those of His disciples on the topic of marriage we must look to Moses first. Remember the road to Emmaus (Luke 24v27). Please consider the following points:
1)There are no laws in the books of Moses that restrict a man to one woman. In 2 Sam 12v8 Yahuwah tells David that He gave him his master's wives into his bosom. That means that God actively participated in the polygamy of his servants he did not merely tolerate it (a claim found in abundance outside the bible but zero times within it). In addition to this He contrasts the many wives that David received from Him to the wife of Uriah that he took by himself. He says that this was done in contradiction to his commandment. Clearly telling the reader that Yahuwah does not believe that polygyny is against the law he gave to the holy people at Sinai. Remember where there is no law there is no sin.
2) There are laws in the bible that regulate polygyny and teach men how to be good polygynist fathers and husbands. These are exo 21v10 and Deut 21v15. If laws define good and evil then it good to give wives and children their rights in a polygynous home. Men that follow these laws are righteous like all men that obey God's law. Consider the fact that never once are they called sinners yet they are given laws with which to pursue righteousness.
3) Moses' writings teach us what marriage is contractually. In Gen 2 Adam has a rib taken from him then a woman given in exchange. This is a purchase. This depicts Eve, and hence all wives thereafter, as human property, as slaves. This is why these holy men that sleep with multiple women every night were never charged with adultery. Adultery in the Hebrew is Zanah it speaks of covenant breaking. However, the man cannot break that covenant as masters are not accountable to their slaves. That is why Yahuwah has three laws in the ten commandments against polyandry (No adultery, coveting another's wife or stealing.) but not a single one against polygyny. There are many other things to discuss in Moses' law ie the bible that Yahushua read but what i have written will be a good starting point. Please respond you need my help on this because no prophet ever taught what you are teaching.
Also Moses had two wives and God disciplined Miriam and Aaron for complaining about Moses first Cushite wife (also in Josephus).. perhaps because she returned to Moses and Zipporah the Midianite his 2nd wife from his wilderness 40 yesrs was with him.
@Dawn Isola Many women would rather be the second or third wife to a rich man than be the only wife of a poor man. The woman may be a career woman with a child who would love to go to work and know that their kid is at home being taken care of by a sister wife rather than dropping the kid off at daycare. She also knows that she won't have to come home to housework since the other wife who stays at home will do it. The stay at home wife is grateful that she doesn't have to leave her own kids and that the working wife may allow her to stay at home if the husband's wages wouldn't otherwise allow it.
Am a second wife let me know more
It would be interesting to be a fly on the wall while he studied his bible to find where it says that having more than one wife is sin. I keep waiting for anyone to address why God Himself identifies himself as a husband to two women in Jeremiah 3, Ezekiel 23 and Jeremiah 31:31&32. You know, if polygamy is so bad, and a sin, and outside the “perfect” will of God. Cultural bias at its finest.
J.M. Edwards what are you talking about? Nothing in those passages says God had two wives. First, the analogy in Ezekiel 23 was about the unfaithfulness of Israel and Judah. It gave the two sister's as an analogy or parable. Where in Jeremiah 3 does God permit polygamy? Its another analogy of Gods chosen people running after other Gods and culture. Also please show where in Jeramiah 31 vs 31& 32 show God permitting polygamy? Do you even read the Bible?
dana murphy Firstly, I will agree with you that these passages are analogies, mostly because last I checked, they neither marry nor are given in marriage in Heaven. So I do agree with you that they are analogies.
However, in what biblical/scriptural world, does the fact that they are analogies equal dismissal of the principles that are being explained in them? Your attempt to do so reveals a bias against the principles that are being explained thru the analogies. This puts you on the wrong side of scripture, especially seeing as this is a direct revelation from the mouth of God to Ezekiels ear. This is God, PURPOSEFULLY CHOOSING to use a polygynous analogy to explain a physical reality. A reality in which adultery IS condemned, but polygyny IS NOT.
Secondly, in response to the Ezekiel 23 passage. Both women are charged with adultery (verses 37 2x, 43 1x, 45 2x). This can only be charged of a married woman in Torah. Nowhere are they charged with fornication.
Thirdly, both of them are recorded as bearing children while they were “married” to God. (Verses 4 and 37). Maybe you’d like to make the case how God sired children with them (in this analogy) outside of wedlock or covenant, (I think that would be an impossible task considering Sinai’s Covenant) but that might take you into deeper waters than polygyny to explain how a righteous God would do that.
In regards to Jeremiah 3:6-14. Firstly, another analogy, direct from God to Jeremiah. Same two women, Israel and Judah. Israel commits adultery and God gives her a writing of divorcement. (Verse 8) Only the husband could give a writing of divorcement in Jewish law. Next, Judah does the same thing but God defines that as treachery (verse 11). Verse 14 says “Turn, O backsliding children [plural, still speaking to Israel and Judah]for I am MARRIED to you, and I will take you one of a city and two of a family and I will bring you to Zion [Gods house]
In response to Jeremiah 31:31,32. . . . . I will make a new covenant with the HOUSE OF ISRAEL and with the HOUSE OF JUDAH [two houses, both of which are the same two women mentioned above] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; WHICH MY COVENANT THEY BREAK [which was why they were charged with adultery in the other passages] ALTHOUGH I WAS AN HUSBAND UNTO THEM, SAITH THE LORD
LET ME REPEAT THAT!!!!!!! ALTHOUGH I WAS A HUSBAND UNTO THEM, SAITH THE LORD!!!!!! I CAN REPEAT IT AGAIN IF THATS NOT LOUD ENOUGH FOR YOU!!!!
So in one passage, God says he has children with these two women, and charges them with marital unfaithfulness. In the next passage, God says he’s married to both of them, and divorces one of them for marital unfaithfulness. In the next passage, both are charged with marital unfaithfulness (as a broken covenant) followed by a flat statement that God was a husband unto THEM, and that he will initiate a new covenant with THEM.
In what world does this not equal polygamy? Especially as we know that it was simultaneous from the historical books of the Bible?
As to where God permits Polygamy, that would be Exodus 21:10, 2 Samuel 12:8, 2 Chronicles 24:2,3. Genesis 35:9-11 is where God blesses Jacob with the same blessing as Adam (and this is as Jacob already has 4 wives and 13 children, but I’m sure God didn’t know that or he wouldnt have blessed him with a better blessing than Adam and Noah)
AND, trick question, IF God was so anti polygamy, why did he not abolish it when he had the chance at Sinai? Or at any other time in the 3500 years since then? Maybe he forgot to give that part to Moses, or any of the other prophets. Maybe Christ wasn’t supposed to tell the parable of the ten virgins, five of which went into the marriage with the groom.
And yes, if you cant tell yet, I do read my Bible. I even study it a little bit.
Dana Murphy. I saw your response, and have waited for the site to show it so that I can reply. I notice that instead of acknowledging that God does, in fact, identify himself as the husband to two women, (thereby not only sanctioning it but being a willing participant) you have instead tried to move the goal posts by moving the conversation to adultery. Very poor form! Ok, no worries, I can answer that one also.
You asked, So how does one define adultery if a man can have as many wives and concubines as he wishes? Just the mere fact that a man has concubines is adultery on his part and fornication on the part of the concubines, considering they’re not wives.
Biblically, this question and conclusion are not only wrong, but very ignorant of scriptural culture, and scriptural definitions.
The answer to your question is very simple. I’ll define adultery from the Bible instead of accepting your definition of adultery and concubine from Roman culture. Adultery in Scripture is a broad term best defined as covenant breaking. It includes sex outside of covenant (for married people) as well as marrying a non Israelite who hasn’t converted, as well as items like a failure to provide provision, protection and children (for the man) and worshipping false gods or breaking Torah intentionally. All of these are covenant breaking (aka adultery) because an Israelite married with the understanding that the other would keep Torah and serve God. Defining adultery as exclusively sex outside of covenant is a Roman definition, not a biblical one.
You also must define a concubine scripturally rather than from a Roman cultural perspective. From a Roman perspective, a concubine was much like we think of today, a mistress that is really just a piece on the side. Biblically that was not the case. A biblically defined concubine was simply what we would call a wife today, the notable distinction was that she came into the household without a ketubah (written marriage covenant) but was definitely under covenant with all the basic rights and responsibilities of a wife. Her children would also often be absent a formal lot in the inheritance. This was usually because she usually came into the household because her father was too poor to afford a dowry, (much less an inheritance for his grandchildren) and subsequently “sold” her as a bond maid to her future husband who later elevated her from a bond maid to a wife. This would not have been adultery because their arrangement was a covenanted relationship arranged by her father. Prime example Exodus 21:7-10. Notice how the bond maid becomes a “wife” in verse 10. Hagar is another example of this in Genesis 16:3, a bond maid who became a wife/concubine. No mention of adultery. Jacob and Bilhah and Zilpah are another example.
I’d challenge you to provide one iota of scriptural evidence where a concubine is ever associated with adultery. Bathsheba doesnt count. She’s never identified as a concubine, and though she entered the house as an additional wife through adultery, only the adultery is addressed by God as sin, not the polygyny . . . AND God told David he would have given him additional wives if he’d wanted them.
As to the charge of chaos that was attendant on all the families, thats a weak sauce argument. Why would you apply a standard to one form of marriage that you don’t apply to all forms of marriage? Using your standard, monogamy is an unsanctioned marital structure because the first one resulted in fratricide and wifely rebellion and losing the farm and loss of fellowship with God Almighty. Terrible argument.
As to the charge about Deuteronomy 17:16-17, you state that the king was not to acquire many horses or wives to himself. He was also not supposed to multiply silver either per that same passage, or did you conveniently leave that part out. So here’s my question, How much silver is too much? More than one piece? How about horses? Only one horse? And yet God, in 2 Samuel 12:8 tells David, a man who already had 6 wives (and no one knows exactly how many concubines but it was more than 10) that if David had wanted more that God would have given them. Apparently, multiplying wives is bad per Deuteronomy 17, but evidently, God doesnt consider 16 wives multiplying, just adding. And to assert that if the king cant multiply wives, that means everyone else cant either, this is the height of eisigesis! So sorry, you’re not allowed to add to the Word of God when it doesnt fit your pseudo theology.
As to Moses not getting the memo, this is also the guy who was married to a Midianite woman and an Ethiopian woman. When Aaron and Miriam try to do to him what you’re doing over the issue, God rebukes the two of them, gives Miriam leprosy, and has absolutely zilch to say to Moses about the issue. Maybe Gods just blind.
Overall, kudos to you for trying, but weak sauce arguments and logical fallacies ain’t gonna get you very far in this debate, just like the (no doubt well meaning) author of the video.
Why didn't God create more than one wife for Adam?
Why is their no "happy" families in scripture that participate in polygamy?
They were always messed up and dysfunctional.
Because of Abraham's extra wives/concubines we have the descendants of Ishmael killing christians and jews.
Even Solomon in Song of Solomon is not reminiscing about his multiple wives but his first wife. (It went down hill for him when he started getting more wives).
David's polygamist family was also dysfunctional and sick with incest and rape.
Why within the requirements of a GODLY man and elder of the church (according to the NT)is he supposed to be the "husband of one wife."
If polygamy is blessed why does it say in 1 Corinthians 7 [Greek/Aramic] : But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his one wife, and each woman her one husband."
The account of creation itself shows us God's perfect plan for marriage.
Genesis 2:24 "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become ONE flesh."
Not WIVES.
Genesis 2:18
"Then the Lord God said, “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a HELPER [singular] fit for him."
In fact, the first man to have a second wife in the OT was Lamech, a son of Cain-- who according to the scriptures also committed the first murder.
Much was "allowed" NOT CONDONED because of man's hardened heart and because they didn't know better.
Matt. 19:8 " He said to them, “BECAUSE OF YOUR HARDNESS OF HEART Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, BUT FROM THE BEGINNING IT WAS NOT SO."
When you know better, you do better.
You don't continue in it because God didn't zap them in the OT.
Paul addresses this when he says:"What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? NO..." Romans 6: 1-2
And so, if God's ORIGINAL intention was one man and one wife, why should we actively seek something that was not His perfect intention?
Luke 16:15 ,"And he said to them, “You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For WHAT IS EXALTED AMONG MEN IS AN ABOMINATION in the sight of God."
I believe that God tolerated polygamy, but never condoned it.
Deuteronomy 17:17 forbids kings from marrying more than one wife, so it doesn’t make sense that God would give that clear prohibition and then condone it.
David seems to be the one many point to as end all be all of polygamy.
But the text even says he provided for them (concubines: considered to be "extra wives") but had no sexual relations with them.
And according to Jewish tradition, David would take a wife, but once he had his eye on another, he would continue providing for her but stop having sexual relations with her once he took a new wife.
The modern day equivalent would be divorce/alimony/ new marriage.
The Bible is so honest about humanity and the failures of even those God used mightily, it dutifully records the problems those multiplied wives created.
In every biblical account of men having multiple wives, there is conflict.
Families not based on a monogamous relationship paid a price.
The Bible shows the result of having multiple wives, and it never presents polygamy in a positive light.
P.S Your last comment about the Midianite woman is a logical fallacy.
It wasn't the "extra wife" they were grumbling about it was the RACE of the extra woman. Context is key. Jewish tradition has it that his first wife had passed away by that point.
Think Rule wives wanna children support ?
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You don't have the right to condemn anybody on this matter , using God's mercy as a cover. . When God does not like a thing , it does not matter who is doing it , He comes out clear about it because His word will be a guide for the future . So God is not passive over sin
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3:59 - "Any woman who's married to man who brought home another wife HAD to have been hurt by it." According to you, and your culture, and your anecdotal experiences. But NOT according to scripture. If taking a 2nd wife was inherently hurtful (always) to the woman, God would have let us know that and protected against it as He does for the weaker sex in so many laws and instructions. In fact there are many examples where a woman asks her husband to take a 2nd wife, or at the very least, brings up the idea to him.
He did govern it. In deut. Also all instances of polygny in bible showed strife. We can learn. The custom was after 10 years no children the man could divorce his wife or take a second wife for children sake. The women were protecting rheirself
So, you think that women wanted their husbands to have intimate relations with other women? That doesn't make any sense. If a marriage is a convenant...Unless...our Father is also into polygamy since he will marry all the church...and cosummate with even men.
@@mrmonay are you serious? God spoke very clearly what men do in Lev and Deut. He spoke very clearly in Malachi 2 how treacherously husbands are with their wives. The culture was man centered and it was custom to have sons to carry on the name. Sarah said she did wrong and God can judge between her and Abraham for allowing Hagar. Hannah was openly distraught because of a second wife and a mean one. Leah told Rachel "You stole my husband" Leah announced now Jacob will love me. And she said now Jacob will dwell with me. A man who does not believ women re human or has feelings is not a godly man.
Can someone explain the verse that shows God giving David the wives and if he had wanted more (wives and land) He would have given it? I’m confused. Seemed like the multiple wives thing was fine because it was inherited but then adultery was not. I’m troubled by that because I think the polygamous situation actually made David more susceptible to falling to adultery. I understand God let him have free will but the verse reads God gave them to David…help me understand please.
7 Then Nathan said to David, “You are the man!(J) This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘I anointed(K) you(L) king over Israel, and I delivered you from the hand of Saul. 8 I gave your master’s house to you,(M) and your master’s wives into your arms. I gave you all Israel and Judah. And if all this had been too little, I would have given you even more. 9 Why did you despise(N) the word of the Lord by doing what is evil in his eyes? You struck down(O) Uriah(P) the Hittite with the sword and took his wife to be your own. You killed(Q) him with the sword of the Ammonites. 10 Now, therefore, the sword(R) will never depart from your house, because you despised me and took the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your own.’
If sin is sin, and sleeping with multiple wives and concubines are just as sinful as murder, why did God speak through Nathan only when Bathsheba happened? It’s not surprising David sinned in that area; he was given free reign over multiple women. Was that just the last straw for God? But then again, didn’t He give David his multiple wives?
Bathsheba had a Husband and david planned the husband to die in the frontlines to marry with bethseba, basically he commited murder.
Yes and adultery is when one married person sleeps with another married person!!! Especially a man sleeping with another man's wife!@ its even in the ten commandments the laws beside the 10 were more given talked about polygamy and how to treat one's wife...one had to have the resources to have more than one wife
@@SmartTowerco Yes! So, I'm wondering why were David and Bethsheba allowed to stay together? Why were they blessed Solomon....who was blessed to become the most powerful king of all time. He's a product of their sin!
4:44 - "Why didn't God punish them, well I'd argue punishment is built into many sins..." God didn't punish them, because there was no sin to punish for. He also didn't even so much as correct them on it. So you talking about them as IF they were doing something worthy of punishment is completely wrong, and reading into the text what isn't there.
Exactly. The word is the word. Can't add to it what you want.
If that's true than why is it considered a sin in the NT? Did God change his mind?
@mee23chelle What scripture says that.. and what is the new testament? You do realize the books they had as scriptures was the old testament right?
@@BGizzle8098adultery is a sin since the writing of the commandments. Yahusha speaks to the women at the well... if it wasn't a sin to have several partners, this communication wouldn't be added. OR is it just women who can't have several partners?
Which Caleb was successful with polygamy and still walked with God?
Did you know Isreal and Judah are sisters and both God's wives ?
First woman god created was called Lilith, she was made from earth same like Adam, the 2nd woman god have made was from Adam's rib, Lilith doesn't want to serve the purpose god have gave her, she claim to be the equal of god and Adam, and left the heaven with anger, rage, jealousy, and only want revange for not been EQUAL. I truly don't understand your point by any means, you are just saying woman's jealousy and rivalry happens because of man have more than one wife? Jealousy and evil in people's heart are the trouble, NOT Polygamy, God never against or support Monogamy, nor Polygamy, so please do not pur words in God's mouth.
But, God is a jealous God. And we are made in His image....
@@mee23chelle ummm… I am not sure which god you referring to, but my god is most merciful, and it is Lilith kind of selfish jealousy and evil acts that made the world going the wrong way. God has not agree nor disagree with polygamy.
Had anyone ever thought about how the women/wives felt? Some agreed to marry begrudgingly I’m sure, while some women probably thought this was a step up from being a peasant girl and struggling the rest of her life, with lack of food, coming from a poor family that was barely surviving, etc.
Yes, clearly God thought about it in his allowance of it in His perfect law. Isaiah 4 illustrates there will come a day where 7 women are begging for a man to take them, while they provide for themselves and just ask for his name and to take away their reproach.
Has anyone ever thought about the Christian widow with 2 children who cannot find a godly man to take her in? But there's a man in her church who has a barren wife and they would gladly take her to be a 2nd wife and father to the children, but the pastor would not allow it, without scripture to back that up?
What about the Christian woman who simply waits and waits well beyond her child bearing years for a godly man to take her to be his wife, but no one does. While there are multiple men in her congregation that would happily cover her as a second wife?
You see it's always the presupposition that women CAN actually have their pick in every scenario of the most "ideal" circumstances for them that is the lie. So you're creating doctrine out of traditions and lies that actually forbids women from marrying where they could otherwise, with nothing more than tradition and falsehoods to justify it.
Woe to those who call good evil, and evil good. Woe to those who preach doctrines of demons that "forbid marriage". Woe to those who teach as doctrines the traditions of men.
@@mrmonaywow.
Brother David the question is not that God allowed polygamy. The question is there was no questions asked by any prophets (even to King David) to people who had multiple wives.
Hey David.. I'm a cultural anthropologist and if you understand the cultures and the economic and land arrangements in those societies that practise polygamy the practice makes more sense and not in all cases are the women not "treated as you would have other treat yourself" .. some of th cases it's the women that suggest to their husbands that they acquire another wife. I'm pretty sure David didnt have his wives complain about acquiring another wife. Michal complained only of David being naked in public. Our Western culture has different views on the individual and our economy and land isnt dependent upon family and marriages. Actually in our culture we practise "serial monogamy" which is against Gods ideal too and causes hurt via divorces But God appears to still bless those unions with kids. My point is God comes down to where we are and draws us up to a greater ideal.
@Dawn Isola
Though I don't partake in poligamy, I would like to ask you ma'am why you feel the need to showcase your body in your profile picture? I would think that a woman so concerned about not being used by men physically, would have the same feeling towards being looked upon visually possibly by a man in a lustful way...
@Dawn Isola
OK, just asking.
God wanted Solomon to come home to at least one woman who was in a good mood.
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Thank you God blessed you brother I thank that is so carzy That’s why God gave us only one partner
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3:12 - "How would I feel if my wife brought home another husband, and then another one..." Well according to scripture she would never have that opportunity as she would have been put to death for it. Scripture is VERY clear that a woman is bound to her husband until he dies. Adultery is always based on the woman's marital status. So it's off the table for women. Also, women aren't designed for multiple husbands (by God). Men are designed in a way that some have the capacity to cover more than one woman. Some men have more capacity than others.
For a good man to "love his wife (or wives) as himself", well some men wouldn't be able to equally provide/protect/love 2 women, some struggle with 1. But that's not the point, the point is whether or not the man who has that capacity (or gift) can as a Christian use it. Christendom has emphatically told him no, not a chance. But his bible says no such thing.
It's very obvious that a man can have more than one wife because God said he gave David multiple wives and would have given him more.
2 Samuel 12:8.
God is holy and perfect and so is his law. Moses had multiple wives and he is the one who wrote the 10 commandments and the law, which states
a man can have multiple wives.
Deuteronomy 21:15-17
God almighty answered the prayer of a woman in a polygamous marriage, and she became pregnant. God will not answer a sinful prayer?
1 Samuel 1:19-20
God almighty even answers prayers of two women in a polygamous marriage to the same man, and they both give birth to sons.
Again, God will not answer a sinful prayer request!
Genesis 30:15-17
Genesis 30:22-24
I want to know how Solomon was considered a man of great wisdom? I just don't get it. Nobody usually talks about this, probably because they don't know how to answer it. Yet some Christians can come down on a divorced woman like a ton of bricks if they were to remarry. Even treating them as if they had committed the worst sin imaginable, the unpardonable sin.
Bible says he had supernatural knowledge of anything you asked him. It was so impressive and such a keen gift that Queen of Sheba traveled just to check it out. She said it surpassed her expectations.
@@JoshuaTCoe But not wise enough to not marry Sheba...a woman of pagan origins. What did his wise mind surmise would occur with this covenant? Doesn't seem wise to me. Seems like lust got the best of him, continually.
@@JoshuaTCoe She also said it to seduce him. Men are very weak. Wise King Solomon at the top of the list.
If it was his permissive will why did he tell Hagar to go back why did he tell David he would have given him more when he took another man's and what about isa 4:1 when 7 women will take hold of one man?
I like how you start with the “ Bible doesn’t address” and then just give your opinion. Monogamy is just one type of relationship style. Today’s marriage has a 50% failure rate.isn’t working.
God's ordained pattern of marriage isn't what's not working. What's not working are the people's hearts that are committed to staying together and loving each other through thick and thin.
LOL man I love your humor brother! This was entertaining to watch. Subbed!
Can I make you my wife?
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It makes more sense
What then if a woman and man as per African culture , agree to polygamy
Do you mean God hates African practice
Does God hates African culture
Are you aware of African culture , spirituality
Do you teach only from western perspective or
@@skygace5552 ...the Bible IS AFRICAN CULTURE.
Is this an attempt at normalizing polygamy? Maybe that used to be the old normal. Now you guys preach monogamy. Not a sin before, now it is? How about gays? Could it be an old normal too? Hate the sins but not the sinner? You people are baffling
That is one of the many problems with monarchy. How do we know their was or wasn't a female surplus population in Old Testament times?
The most Biblically sound explanation I have ever heard.
Well I encourage you to seek out better teachers, because this is one of the worst teachings on this on YT. Look up Peter Rambo's response to this video, where he uses actual scripture to refute this man and his false teaching.
AND MY SON JOSHUA IS ALIVE TOO, BORN WHEN I WAS AGE 33, AND I JUST ALWAYS TREATED HIM HOW ID WANT TO BE TREATED, BUT YOU DONT TREAT ME HOW YOUD WANT TO BE TREATED, BUT WITH SEVERE CONTEMPT, GO FIGURE WHAT DOES THE CHOSEN ANOINTED ONE FUTURE KING MEAN ! PSALM 89:19-29, COMPARE REVISIONS.
The premise is not really biblical. Polygyny never was a sin and still isn’t.
THE SPIRIT OF GOD SPOKE BY ME, 2 SAMUEL 23....
2:30 - You started out well but then, as most do on this topic, I suppose you felt the need to poison the well. I'm not sure most commentators on this topic even understand they are doing it. But I try to give the benefit of the doubt. We don't know that Lamech was the first to have 2 wives, it's just the first recorded. If we aren't going to speak about music, metalworks or animal husbandry in the same way and use ad hominem attacks to attach to it because of Lamech, then we also shouldn't attach polygyny to him where the scripture did not say he was the "first" to do It or even describe his marriages in any negative way.
God allows man to have their own choices but that does not mean that He approves of it. The consequences will be the felt for one’s actions or choices.
At the end of the day spiritual things are spiritually discerned. People who want to sin will find reasons in the bible that allows sin. Those that want to be Godly you will find that if you want.
Funny he said Solomon robbed 999 men of wives forgetting there are more women than men on the planet coz most men die and died in the wars 🙄🙄🙄🙄
I really enjoy all your topics and discussions. Thank you greatly for sharing. I always look forward to the next one
One thing you people should stop forming your own views if having more than one woman is wrong you dont think god would put that in the ten commandment or punish Abraham Jacob David etc but instead he love and bless them only punish David for taking a married woman another man wife
Read our new covenant. We have a New Testament
@@Bad2DBonz when u talking about new covanant it seems u implying god was wrong yesterday and making correction today .God can never be wrong so if he doesnt see the act as sin yesterday it cant be sin today
@@dennisosbourne4970 You NOT God. You’re stuck in your Lust. Get under The Apostle Paul teaching.
@@dennisosbourne4970 READ ”Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: but this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.“
Jeremiah 31:31-34 KJV
@@dennisosbourne4970 Read Jeremiah 31: 31-34 GOD SAID HE WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT AND HE DID. All them wives/ husbands Not ALLOWED! It was NEVER GODS WILL. God knew how man would be.
Never ever was marrying multiple women, considered a wrong doing in front of God. In fact God wants a man to avoid Sin and have more wives if he can take care of their liabilities and formal obligations. God bless you with more when you commit a legal legit relationship with a woman's nd give her respect and grow a family.
THERE IS NO KING *SAVED BY A MIGHTY ARMY, NOR A WARRIOR *DELIVERED BY MUCH STRENGTH.....
TH-cam or the channel admin has deleted a well fleshed out and bible based argument for the opposing side. I will post it again for the good of those that want to study this topic.
IS THERE ANYONE EVER WHO HAS MORE FAITH IN GOD THAN ME ?
So many topics about this but this one is the most vivid understandable and straight to the point I've ever encountered. I thank God for you, and more wisdom from the Lord❤️🙏🏼
Which part is straight to the point there? He was beating around the bush
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Praise God for only matching those who belong! In accordance with this word and proverbs 31:1-5, 1 kings 11:4, 1 timothy 3:2-3, 1 corinthians 7:2-4, psalm 37:4, exodus 20:14, 2 corinthians 6:14-18 I bind one to desire a monogamous, faithful marriage for oneself while binding to hell every lack of desiring a monogamous, faithful marriage for oneself while binding one to know turning to multiple women or men takes away one's strength in my life, the lives of my family, friends, colleagues, neighbours, acquitances, opponents and the body of Christ, binding to hell every unequal yoke and common share with anyone lacking a desire for a monogamous, faithful marriage while lacking to acknowledge turning to multiple women or men takes away one's strength, in the name and blood of Jesus Christ, amen and hallelujah, glory to God ❤!
Name every monogamist. Uriah the Hittite. Any others? No arguments from silence.
Now name the 40+ polygynists and the 9 books written by polygynists.
I am sorry but this is just wrong in many ways. Biblically men are allowed to have more than one wives based on these circumstances. 1. The women has to be single, you cannot marry a married women. 2. The women cannot have more than one husband. There's only one verse that says you can have only one wife and that's if you are a bishop, 1 Timothy 3:2.
Solomon is the word SUN, in three languages. Solomon is God aka the Sun.
Is bad to want to be like Abraham or David and just accept the punishment like they did?
It is hard to convince a man that it is a stupid idea considering to get another babe after telling the same man the known truth that the wisest man who ever lived did the same, I think Solomon just over did it but 20 babes wouldn't be bad for me man of God. Glory be to Jesus
In after thousands of years nothing has changed. We still chasing after the wind
You are not stupid by being Polygamous. Solomon was focused on not having wars during his reign which he accomplished. He did so by choosing to Marry the daughters and other women and as such, their Father's and other Kings had no choice but to Trade and not War with Israel. At this time, Israel was one of the most visited places. Do research and stop making empty suppositions and forcing and misapplying scriptures to project a point that isnt bionically sound. Solomon's issue was as the bible said, he took wives of nations that he shouldnt. David issue was he took another man's wife, not that he took more than one wife.
This is so wrong although I feel the heart is in the right place.
God created rules for polygyny(not polygamy). The chapter DIRECTLY after the 10 commandments, gives law on how to operate a polygynous marriage.
God allows polygyny(one man, multiple women). Not open polygamy (one woman multiple men).
When you don't know Torah you make stuff up.
3:50 that no longer applîes today. If you look at the official population data published by UN there are roughly 5.6 Billion women and 2.3 Billion men. The number of men gets reduced for men in jail, already married, relatives of women, over 65, unemployed..and the number drops significantly. There's an average of over 5 women per man nowadays.
Just do your research, instead of just making assumptions.
Nobody cares!
Marriage is about true love and loyalty towards one woman and one man. Its Not about giving your d**k as charity to unmarried women. U mo*on!
It is written in the last days 7 woman will ask 1 man to please take them as wives. David was a man after Gods own heart because of hes pasion and faith and because he understood Gods pasion for all hes women and men.
Some men and some woman are uniquely diverse in intrests and abillities and it is just impractical to expect them to be fulfilled in only one relationship. Its not always because of sex but mostly about fulfilment in cooperation and comunal life purpose.
People just have to accept that what works for most does not always work for all.
If we were to assume that, then we will have to assume God was ok with him committing adultery with the married woman called Bathsheba as well, which we know is not the case since ADULTERY is clearly in the 10 Commandments.
David was not Jesus. He did sin a lot. God is the ultimate judge of our lives, not man. He was pleased overall with David because of his relationship with him, but just like all the Great man in the bible, and all of creation, God loves us despise out sinful nature.
What about abraham and david and solomon ??
Please help me understand how Moses who literally experienced YAHOVAH GOD HIMSELF, many, many profound miracles and even witnessed the written 10 Commandments?🤷🏼♀️ Number 7 was actually commanding he obey NOT to commit Adultery? In the New Testament it tells us that an Adulterer WILL NOT ENTER HEAVEN? So how is Moses going to be in Heaven? What am I not seeing here? I am SO CONFUSED! Is a Commandment not really a Commandment? It just seems that all I have learned about being a Believer has all been a hypocrasy? I am Seriously disturbed by all of this Fornication? Even Jesus spoke to Moses before HE departed???
Can you explain Isaiah Chapter 4
Because they could afford it very simple answer
King Solomon was at peace with all his neighbors. In those days kings gave daughters as a sign of joined kingdoms. King Solomon’s wives were given not taken.
It's still abusive to them