I once had a DLG with this flaperon configuration. Worked great for hand landing. Now I got a 2m foam plane very similar to the conscendo and my first to-do was to set up flaperons also to be able to catch the plane by hand however, after some research I read in too many forums that this was a no-no, and the correct way is spoilerons (both ailerons up). I tend to believe flaperons should make it float more and lower the landing speed, but I am confused now. what are your thoughts on which is best to land it at slower speed while keeping it stable?
Spoilers kill lift and increase speed. I tried both, both work, but I'm personally more comfortable with flaps and a little down elevator to keep speed up.
Thanks for sharing mods and how-to. If I got the plug-n-play version and put in a ar637T (not TA) I assume I could do the setup/programming without needing to go thru receiver unlocking. I am surprised that they didn’t do this as part of the design. A lot of folks say it just keeps on flying.
Funny the company doesn't offer the plane with ailerons, a few in this design do , but it's a glider so they don't consider it a stunt plane when they're actually great for stunts
In spite of not being able to convert the AR637TA to an AR637T I did install separate servo wires for the ailerons and was able to get the flaperons working via the instructions. All of the Forward Programming changes didn't work though so the bottom line here is that I got flaperon capability but now AS3X and SAFE don't function at all. BTW, I'm using an NX10SE with it.
The TA is identical to the T except for the T's altimeter. You don't convert TA to T, but load the unlocked T firmware on the TA. I've done this with at least 5 TA receivers to unlocked T version to open up Forward Programming options. One of those was the Conscendo TA. If it's not working you are not doing it right. If Safe is not working you probably have used the Safe channel or switch for setting up flaperons. Or maybe it's something else? I have both Safe and flaperons working fine. On my 3 meter Fox I have SAFE working with it's flaps and crow on the AR637T receiver. That also takes separate aileron cables and receiver ports.
@@GoofballFlyer Thanks for the reply! I'm aware that the T and TA are the same other than the altimeter but what stopped me was the inability to do what you indicate by installing the T firmware. You'd done that before so you skipped it in the video. When logged in to MySpectrum account and using the programming software I cannot see any other model files, only what I have registered which is only my TA, not the T. There's nothing I can do to find a list of all their receivers to get it. It's likely I'm doing something wrong since you have now confirmed that you somehow installed T firmware on your TA, but is that because you also own a T so the software let's you have access to it?
You tell the software to update your firmware. It's the Software Update link on the upper left. Even if the receiver has the current version that works. The T and TA firmware is identical, no problem there either. The update should take about 30 seconds. If the Spektrum Programmer sees your receiver that's all you need. Just don't click the Power Cable box if you have a battery connected to the receiver via an ESC. You can blow up a USB port on your computer if you don't follow those instructions. If it would help I can make a detailed video of the process. I have a spare TA I can totally unlock.
Hi, just followed your instructions to install flaperons on my conscendo and I have flaperons, but I only have safe when flaperons aren't being used and when safe is on it's only on 1 aileron...is that normal? Cheers
Not normal the way I set it up. Did you setup SAFE via Forward Programming with 3 flight modes - SAFE/AS3X/No-Gyro - assigned to a 3-way switch? Did you split the ailerons to 2 ports instead of a Y cable?
I did set up safe and have it on a 3way switch, the middle position is off now where it was off on position 1, I have 2 leads 1 to output 2 and the other to output 5. Safe works, but only on the aileron plugged into position 2 and the other aileron does not respond to safe input. When I switch on the flaperons safe is not working. I’ll reset everything and try again…see what happens. Thank you for replying that’s fantastic
It should work on a DX8, not sure about a DX6. My receiver is the AR637TA that came with the model. It's worked for others, it should work for you. Are the ailerons plugged into receiver ports 1 and 6? Port 5 will not work, that is the default landing gear port. Port 6 is the default flaps port. I think this may be the issue. Did you go through the aileron servos reversing step in the video? You will need to do a Relearn Servos in Forward Programming! Tom
Outstanding idea and guidance. I will use this for my Laser maiden but put it on another switch than my fixed 3 rate switch. How does one add this to a template already stored in personal?
You can reset from Forward Programming or from a PC if you have the USB data cable that connects to the receiver's Bind/Programming port. The PC software is available from spektrumrc.cachefly.net/apps/spektrum_programmer.html The $24.95 cable part number is SPMA3065 and can be found at local hobby shops, eBay and Amazon.
For unlocking the receiver with software update and install another version, what was the other version you picked? This seems like a key piece of information that was skipped. Thanks
So I gave that a try as you suggested and reinstall the current software version and even though it unlocks a few basic things, it's far from fully unlocked. Here's another method to fully unlock a receiver and keep all of the existing settings intact, but your technical skills need to be a little higher. th-cam.com/video/Qxfb9EbjN0s/w-d-xo.htmlsi=iKvTF6hLcS87BtEw
The only other way to fully unlock it is to do a factory reset through forward programming, but that resets everything back to defaults with no settings that it came programmed with for the BNF plane that it came in.
Thank you. Flew mine today. Sat in a lawn chair for 15 minutes, brought it down to about 10 feet, cruised low around the field, flaps down, and landed at my feet. Very relaxing.
I once had a DLG with this flaperon configuration. Worked great for hand landing. Now I got a 2m foam plane very similar to the conscendo and my first to-do was to set up flaperons also to be able to catch the plane by hand however, after some research I read in too many forums that this was a no-no, and the correct way is spoilerons (both ailerons up). I tend to believe flaperons should make it float more and lower the landing speed, but I am confused now. what are your thoughts on which is best to land it at slower speed while keeping it stable?
Spoilers kill lift and increase speed. I tried both, both work, but I'm personally more comfortable with flaps and a little down elevator to keep speed up.
Thanks for sharing mods and how-to. If I got the plug-n-play version and put in a ar637T (not TA) I assume I could do the setup/programming without needing to go thru receiver unlocking. I am surprised that they didn’t do this as part of the design. A lot of folks say it just keeps on flying.
You can
Funny the company doesn't offer the plane with ailerons, a few in this design do , but it's a glider so they don't consider it a stunt plane when they're actually great for stunts
In spite of not being able to convert the AR637TA to an AR637T I did install separate servo wires for the ailerons and was able to get the flaperons working via the instructions. All of the Forward Programming changes didn't work though so the bottom line here is that I got flaperon capability but now AS3X and SAFE don't function at all.
BTW, I'm using an NX10SE with it.
The TA is identical to the T except for the T's altimeter. You don't convert TA to T, but load the unlocked T firmware on the TA. I've done this with at least 5 TA receivers to unlocked T version to open up Forward Programming options. One of those was the Conscendo TA. If it's not working you are not doing it right. If Safe is not working you probably have used the Safe channel or switch for setting up flaperons. Or maybe it's something else? I have both Safe and flaperons working fine. On my 3 meter Fox I have SAFE working with it's flaps and crow on the AR637T receiver. That also takes separate aileron cables and receiver ports.
@@GoofballFlyer Thanks for the reply! I'm aware that the T and TA are the same other than the altimeter but what stopped me was the inability to do what you indicate by installing the T firmware. You'd done that before so you skipped it in the video. When logged in to MySpectrum account and using the programming software I cannot see any other model files, only what I have registered which is only my TA, not the T. There's nothing I can do to find a list of all their receivers to get it. It's likely I'm doing something wrong since you have now confirmed that you somehow installed T firmware on your TA, but is that because you also own a T so the software let's you have access to it?
You tell the software to update your firmware. It's the Software Update link on the upper left. Even if the receiver has the current version that works. The T and TA firmware is identical, no problem there either. The update should take about 30 seconds. If the Spektrum Programmer sees your receiver that's all you need. Just don't click the Power Cable box if you have a battery connected to the receiver via an ESC. You can blow up a USB port on your computer if you don't follow those instructions. If it would help I can make a detailed video of the process. I have a spare TA I can totally unlock.
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@@GoofballFlyer, please do, that would be so aaesome and helpful!!! Thanks for sharing your wisdom.
Hi, just followed your instructions to install flaperons on my conscendo and I have flaperons, but I only have safe when flaperons aren't being used and when safe is on it's only on 1 aileron...is that normal?
Cheers
Not normal the way I set it up. Did you setup SAFE via Forward Programming with 3 flight modes - SAFE/AS3X/No-Gyro - assigned to a 3-way switch? Did you split the ailerons to 2 ports instead of a Y cable?
I did set up safe and have it on a 3way switch, the middle position is off now where it was off on position 1, I have 2 leads 1 to output 2 and the other to output 5.
Safe works, but only on the aileron plugged into position 2 and the other aileron does not respond to safe input.
When I switch on the flaperons safe is not working.
I’ll reset everything and try again…see what happens.
Thank you for replying that’s fantastic
I’m using a DX8E which has forward programming, if that makes any difference?
It should work on a DX8, not sure about a DX6. My receiver is the AR637TA that came with the model. It's worked for others, it should work for you.
Are the ailerons plugged into receiver ports 1 and 6? Port 5 will not work, that is the default landing gear port. Port 6 is the default flaps port. I think this may be the issue.
Did you go through the aileron servos reversing step in the video? You will need to do a Relearn Servos in Forward Programming!
Tom
I’ll double check, I did reverse 1 servo to get them working in opposite directions
Outstanding idea and guidance. I will use this for my Laser maiden but put it on another switch than my fixed 3 rate switch. How does one add this to a template already stored in personal?
Not sure how to do that.
I need this man to fly with me and teach me all his wisdom. You seem like the best flying mate
Thanks! I taught school for quite a few years. Love to share knowledge.
Thank you very much for the video. I have the UMX crescendo. It is crazy I am going to be putting a analogue fpv camera on it.😊
Good luck!
can the receiver be reset with the AS3X programming app ?
You can reset from Forward Programming or from a PC if you have the USB data cable that connects to the receiver's Bind/Programming port. The PC software is available from spektrumrc.cachefly.net/apps/spektrum_programmer.html
The $24.95 cable part number is SPMA3065 and can be found at local hobby shops, eBay and Amazon.
For unlocking the receiver with software update and install another version, what was the other version you picked?
This seems like a key piece of information that was skipped.
Thanks
Actually you always install the latest version. That will unlock a BNF receiver even if it already has the latest version.
So I gave that a try as you suggested and reinstall the current software version and even though it unlocks a few basic things, it's far from fully unlocked.
Here's another method to fully unlock a receiver and keep all of the existing settings intact, but your technical skills need to be a little higher.
th-cam.com/video/Qxfb9EbjN0s/w-d-xo.htmlsi=iKvTF6hLcS87BtEw
The only other way to fully unlock it is to do a factory reset through forward programming, but that resets everything back to defaults with no settings that it came programmed with for the BNF plane that it came in.
Good video. Thanks for taking the time to explain all that
Glad it was helpful!
Good video. Thanks for taking the time to explain all that
Glad it was helpful!
just bought one and taking your tips!
Thank you. Flew mine today. Sat in a lawn chair for 15 minutes, brought it down to about 10 feet, cruised low around the field, flaps down, and landed at my feet. Very relaxing.
I made flaps for my Conscendo, had some spare servos hanging around.. rainy day project
How did that work out?
@@GoofballFlyer works out very well for small flying area that I'm limited to..
Brian Phillips did a video on this a few years ago and liked the results. I also have a few servos left over from crashes and may try it too.
@@GoofballFlyer He ended up doing flapperons in a later video