The test with a 150kw charger would be interesting. Especially to see if it tapers off later in the charge, maybe offsetting the lower maximum charge rate and coming more or less to the same amount of time for the 10-80% run.
Great stuff. Just the info I’m looking for while we wait for R1T to pull our Flying Cloud 20FB. (We did consider towing it with our 3! Concluded the range was too low and it didn’t have the payload to manage it.)
I realize it's nice to get that large kw charge but hard on the battery. Every I read on lithium ion battery says a slow charge will extend the life of the battery. I guess the only way you could achieve this would be use a 150 kw charger.
Okay, not an EV guy at all, but respect each and everyones position on what they want to pay for. I am curious to know, if your Rivian has as quoted (on numerous sites) a 314 mile range, and according to towing a 7000lb trailer drops to 137-143 (think this is close to right), am I understanding that everytime you get to 10% or so you're pulling over to recharge to 85-100%? Seems like pulling anything at this point, especially if you get closer to max allowable towing is going to require more frequent stops. On a longer trip, would seem counter-productive. I do appreciate the level of detail in your test as well. And not at all meant to be cynical, but more trying to understand as a so called truck what this would do for me if I wanted to do a lot of travelling for extended ranges and periods of time. Likely look for a different model of EV? Thank you.Jim
Steve, have you ever been able to plug your Airstream trailer into the 30 amp 220 volt plug in the back of the Lighting so you can run the AC and appliances While DC fast charging? I know most stations don't have enough room but that would be fantastic. A long charging stop would not be a big deal. I hope more pull through stalls are coming and with 250+ kw chargers.
Thanks for the look at 10-80 on the R1T!! How long does the R1T take to warm the battery to optimal charging temp? Is it quick? Or have to tell it when you start out on a trip?
That's interesting since the lightning is supposed to charge from 15-80% in 44 minutes. They seem to be comparable. The lightning charges at a slower rate but doesn't start tapering until around 80%.
Steve, if the Rivian R1T or the Ford Lighting had a 175+ kwh battery pack towing would be a piece of cake. This way it should still have a good fast charge rate at 80% and if you needed a 100% charge plan for a long lunch break.
Exactly. The Silverado EV is expected to have over 200 kWh (Same as Hummer) and expected to charge at 350 kW so that truck should actually be capable of doing some towing. (Which is why I reserved one 😁 )
Feels like not preconditioning, which puts heat in the bettery, is better since it has to slow later to shrug off heat thats taxing the cooling system.
Ford was supposed to have a "toolbox generator" for the Lighting. A small gas engine with a high output generator. This maybe needed for large heavy long range loads. Does your Airstream have a built-in generator? A 13,500 kw should work pretty good. I bet the DC fast charging stations will really improve in 2023 onwards.
I think you covered this in another video, but charging by the min is some BS. I'm in Cali so I think it's by the kWhr, right? My first EV will most likely be a Model Y. Cheers and Thanks for the videos!
Yes, it's really, really cheap when you charge by the minute, which is what we do in Nebraska. In states that charge by the minute it's because they are required to by law. If they charge by the kWh they're considered a power company. But, we can't complain too much since fast chargers are cheap here! 😅
Dogone nice deal, you must live in a state that does not allow charging by the kWh (at least 20 states in the US specify in law ~ ‘Only energy utilities may charge/dispense energy by the quantity’) and the Charging provider can only charge by time. Great deal for fast charging vehicles like the Rivians!!
That is dirt cheap…but 42 minutes. And that’s a wide open charge station. Nope not yet for this guy. But, but , but you’ll be charging at home!…so now the single largest electrical “appliance” at peoples home is the vehicle. Best power usage analogy (for folks with electric range) I can give is leaving every burner and oven on the electric range for a few hours to overnight. No don’t tell me you’ll be charging off the same power outlet your cell phone uses. If you got a few days then yes that outlet will work.
@@AllElectricFamily I’m trying. 10kW PV, 160ft2 Hot water solar, 3 Prius, 1-F250 4x4, high efficiency wood boiler for central heat and domestic hot water, gen. power backup, 78 acres split 50/50 woodland/tillable, job in critical infrastructure.
To put it in perspective that 42 minute charging session added about 3.5-4 hours of driving range to the vehicle. (96 kWh ~= 220 miles) I'd be curious to see how much miles you'd get in 20 minutes because that be more time spent in the higher part of the curve before it tapers. Seems like it would be at least 2-2.5 hours of driving. Which would mean after every 2-2.5 hours of driving you could stop for 20 minutes. That's about as long as my wife and/or kids can go between bathroom breaks anyway. 🤣
I respect electric vehicles , however I feel they are prolly 10 years away from being main stream and infrastructure to support as more and more join up. I get it that the cost is lower to fill , but I also say my personal time is worth money also . that all being said, if you drive
At this point these vehicles are not for the average public. Other then the 80k-90k price tag. Who has 30 40 minutes every 200 miles assuming you don't give it the beans too much. (more then 2 or 3 times). Or tow. These vehicles will need a true beans or no beans 500 mile range along with a sub 80% charge in 30 minutes or less. And without a 50k - 75k range not many will be able to afford.
@@AllElectricFamily I understand the process. I have owned a chevy volt. Somewhat different but the idea of never having range anxiety is very relaxing. The technology is here. The manufacturers are just trying to figure out how to get the most out of consumers. I mean in a perfect world you buy an electric vehicle it last 200k miles with very little maintenance and 500 miles + of range. The manufacturers would NEVER have that.
Lord forbid if you’re in a hurry, have an emergency and don’t have 30 min. I’ll keep my GMC 5.7 V8 till they’re able to make a quick-charge vehicle. Probably good for local driving. I started to think this guy was boring but he’s explaining everything about “refueling” which ridiculously longer than good old PETRO!
You finally found an EA charger that works! Congrats!
Let’s keep it rolling here😂
The test with a 150kw charger would be interesting. Especially to see if it tapers off later in the charge, maybe offsetting the lower maximum charge rate and coming more or less to the same amount of time for the 10-80% run.
Yeah, I haven’t seen that comparison anywhere and would help with deciding between fast charger destinations on longer road trips!
Great stuff. Just the info I’m looking for while we wait for R1T to pull our Flying Cloud 20FB. (We did consider towing it with our 3! Concluded the range was too low and it didn’t have the payload to manage it.)
I realize it's nice to get that large kw charge but hard on the battery. Every I read on lithium ion battery says a slow charge will extend the life of the battery. I guess the only way you could achieve this would be use a 150 kw charger.
Okay, not an EV guy at all, but respect each and everyones position on what they want to pay for. I am curious to know, if your Rivian has as quoted (on numerous sites) a 314 mile range, and according to towing a 7000lb trailer drops to 137-143 (think this is close to right), am I understanding that everytime you get to 10% or so you're pulling over to recharge to 85-100%? Seems like pulling anything at this point, especially if you get closer to max allowable towing is going to require more frequent stops. On a longer trip, would seem counter-productive. I do appreciate the level of detail in your test as well. And not at all meant to be cynical, but more trying to understand as a so called truck what this would do for me if I wanted to do a lot of travelling for extended ranges and periods of time. Likely look for a different model of EV? Thank you.Jim
Thanks for helping the anxiety!
You're welcome! Glad to help any way we can!
Near me (SoCal) the EA chargers charge 0.31/kwh at the member rate so that would have cost almost $30
Thanks for the video. Cant wait to get my rivian.
We love ours. Have fun
Steve, have you ever been able to plug your Airstream trailer into the 30 amp 220 volt plug in the back of the Lighting so you can run the AC and appliances While DC fast charging?
I know most stations don't have enough room but that would be fantastic. A long charging stop would not be a big deal. I hope more pull through stalls are coming and with 250+ kw chargers.
Thanks for the look at 10-80 on the R1T!!
How long does the R1T take to warm the battery to optimal charging temp? Is it quick? Or have to tell it when you start out on a trip?
That's interesting since the lightning is supposed to charge from 15-80% in 44 minutes. They seem to be comparable. The lightning charges at a slower rate but doesn't start tapering until around 80%.
Steve, if the Rivian R1T or the Ford Lighting had a 175+ kwh battery pack towing would be a piece of cake. This way it should still have a good fast charge rate at 80% and if you needed a 100% charge plan for a long lunch break.
Exactly. The Silverado EV is expected to have over 200 kWh (Same as Hummer) and expected to charge at 350 kW so that truck should actually be capable of doing some towing. (Which is why I reserved one 😁 )
Impressive charging. Rivian has definitely worked on the charge curve. Was that 188 miles in ~42 min?
Yep
Feels like not preconditioning, which puts heat in the bettery, is better since it has to slow later to shrug off heat thats taxing the cooling system.
Ford was supposed to have a "toolbox generator" for the Lighting. A small gas engine with a high output generator. This maybe needed for large heavy long range loads.
Does your Airstream have a built-in generator?
A 13,500 kw should work pretty good.
I bet the DC fast charging stations will really improve in 2023 onwards.
Good content! Thanks.
Glad you liked it! Thanks for watching!
FYI I hit 215kW and a long time at 200kw on Rivian's own charger so these EA chargers could be pushing a LOT more!
I’ve hit that it usually when I pull in with 20-30 % SOC. I hope to hit a Rivian charger someday.
Is this the same charger you did this test with the Lightning?
Same one
I think you covered this in another video, but charging by the min is some BS. I'm in Cali so I think it's by the kWhr, right? My first EV will most likely be a Model Y.
Cheers and Thanks for the videos!
Yes, it's really, really cheap when you charge by the minute, which is what we do in Nebraska. In states that charge by the minute it's because they are required to by law. If they charge by the kWh they're considered a power company. But, we can't complain too much since fast chargers are cheap here! 😅
charging a really large battery pack too, adding 90+ kw in that amount of time. Impressive.
I thought so
Stopping every 100 miles to charge for 42 minutes while towing is an immediate no-go for me.
Agreed.
thank you
Dogone nice deal, you must live in a state that does not allow charging by the kWh (at least 20 states in the US specify in law ~ ‘Only energy utilities may charge/dispense energy by the quantity’) and the Charging provider can only charge by time. Great deal for fast charging vehicles like the Rivians!!
nice price. In norway that would have cost around $60 🤣(still half of the gas cost tho)
That is dirt cheap…but 42 minutes. And that’s a wide open charge station. Nope not yet for this guy. But, but , but you’ll be charging at home!…so now the single largest electrical “appliance” at peoples home is the vehicle. Best power usage analogy (for folks with electric range) I can give is leaving every burner and oven on the electric range for a few hours to overnight. No don’t tell me you’ll be charging off the same power outlet your cell phone uses. If you got a few days then yes that outlet will work.
Sounds like you got it all figured iut
@@AllElectricFamily I’m trying. 10kW PV, 160ft2 Hot water solar, 3 Prius, 1-F250 4x4, high efficiency wood boiler for central heat and domestic hot water, gen. power backup, 78 acres split 50/50 woodland/tillable, job in critical infrastructure.
To put it in perspective that 42 minute charging session added about 3.5-4 hours of driving range to the vehicle. (96 kWh ~= 220 miles)
I'd be curious to see how much miles you'd get in 20 minutes because that be more time spent in the higher part of the curve before it tapers. Seems like it would be at least 2-2.5 hours of driving. Which would mean after every 2-2.5 hours of driving you could stop for 20 minutes. That's about as long as my wife and/or kids can go between bathroom breaks anyway. 🤣
When it works, it seems to work well. But just getting it to work 100% of the time though... (EA)
I respect electric vehicles , however I feel they are prolly 10 years away from being main stream and infrastructure to support as more and more join up. I get it that the cost is lower to fill , but I also say my personal time is worth money also . that all being said, if you drive
11 bucks to get 80% charge? I’d much rather pay $150 for a tank of gas said no one ever.
10 to 60% best for supercharging road trips… not 80!
At this point these vehicles are not for the average public. Other then the 80k-90k price tag. Who has 30 40 minutes every 200 miles assuming you don't give it the beans too much. (more then 2 or 3 times). Or tow.
These vehicles will need a true beans or no beans 500 mile range along with a sub 80% charge in 30 minutes or less. And without a 50k - 75k range not many will be able to afford.
Maybe they aren’t. But it’s still relatively new to the market, especially anything besides Tesla.
@@AllElectricFamily I understand the process. I have owned a chevy volt. Somewhat different but the idea of never having range anxiety is very relaxing. The technology is here. The manufacturers are just trying to figure out how to get the most out of consumers. I mean in a perfect world you buy an electric vehicle it last 200k miles with very little maintenance and 500 miles + of range. The manufacturers would NEVER have that.
I wonder if you set the max charge to 100% would the charge rates enroute to the 80% have differed? 🤔
Nope.
Lord forbid if you’re in a hurry, have an emergency and don’t have 30 min. I’ll keep my GMC 5.7 V8 till they’re able to make a quick-charge vehicle. Probably good for local driving. I started to think this guy was boring but he’s explaining everything about “refueling” which ridiculously longer than good old PETRO!