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- Trump is acquitted despite a bipartisan majority voting to convict and a few last-minute witness surprises, Republicans can’t quit Trumpism, and Democrats look to pass reforms that would save democracy. Jon Favreau, Jon Lovett and Tommy Vietor discuss what Trump’s acquittal means for the future of American politics, how Democrats can protect future elections through H.R. 1 and the ongoing fight over the filibuster.
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I need your podcast everyday. Living in the district of Kevin McCarthy makes life difficult. Your gifts of intelligence mixed with your individual senses of humor are a true blessings.
Thank you, guys. Another winner.
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@BrunoAmato_1 is running against Qevin in 22', he's a Democrat, check him out on twitter please!
"Watch the skies tomorrow, it's gonna be fucking wild" god, I died.
Are we really surprised? We need to get rid of the filibuster because there is no way we are getting 10 GOP votes for anything.
What happens when republicans control the senate again though..
Isn't the filibuster there to prevent a minority from ramming anything it wants through? I'm not sure, but I think folks have been saying ditching the filibuster is far too dangerous a move, that too much is lost for too little gain.
@@dontpanic1812 That's been my argument since the beginning of this discussion. Right now, ending the filibuster for Dems is a really good idea. They can legislatively pass everything they want. They can make gun control laws, they can strengthen voting rights, etc etc etc. But, if the Republicans win in the next few years, they could then decide they're going to just ban abortion period, remove any sort of gun control law, completely dismantle mail-in voting. I try to listen to news and commentary from both sides of the equation. I understand right now, ending the filibuster would do two things. First of all it would give Democrats the power to do anything they wanted to, and everyone can admit to wanting to give a middle finger to the right. However, when the pendulum swings back, they could just decide to run wild.
@@audioenthusiast2817 the the pendulum will swing right anyways if dems don't do anything why should people vote for them! for fuck sakes pass a bunch of stuff so that people can get help then they will vote for you again,
@@alexs4392 then they get to take away what the Democrats did and we'll see how the public responds to their minimal healthcare options being taken away, more tax cuts, and other things they pass. The filibuster is an excuse for both voters and politicians. For politicians no filibuster means we finally get to see whether or not they mean what they say and whether or not they are really willing to go down the paths they tell us and for voters they finally have to be engaged in every election and not just presidential elections and the occasional midterms because a lot will be at stake every two years. It puts the onus on both groups as it should not to mention the filibuster was hardly used for the first 150 years of our union as we averaged one filibuster a year for decades.
There will be Plenty of time to call witnesses for the Benghazi-style hearings that congress must pursue. I, for one, look forward to 11 hours of testimony each from Rudy, Gosar, Flynn, and all the other coup enablers.
Jeez I can't wait to sit Rudy down in front of a microphone under oath with no air conditioning. Watch him melt.
That's the problem. Those witnesses would never show up. If they did, the GOP would spend hours giving them a pulpit to spout a bunch of conspiracy nonsense and what-about-ism.
Holy Fuck Lovett was just spewing wisdom this whole video. Like, every take was on the money, please ask Lovett more questions more often lmao, dude is a genuis
He really is a genius and so eloquent when he gets going. I hope someone is taking care of him because he's like a light fighting against the darkness and sometimes it feels like the darkness will win.
@@pakde8002 Yeah he really does wear his emotions on his sleeve, dude is a firecracker of emotion and wisdom and I wish the best mental health for him. Lovett you da man and I hope you read this
He is Brilliant and totally under-estimated in his knowledge💙
To see how successful that deregulation agenda is, look at us in Texas. Deregulation is one of the reasons I have had heat for only 4-5 of the past 24 hours - in sub-freezing temperatures.
Are you suggesting that "we'll do what we want, thanks" coupled with a profit motive........ didn't lead to a robust infrastructure?
my son lives there wish he could see what you see
It is sickening that any time something like this as important as an impeachment they need to go on vacation. I say hey are not allowed to take vacation until they do their jobs.
I want to change the subject for a minute, why do the congress have so many recesses? Nobody else gets a vacation from work! They should absolutely have to work for what they are paid for ( which is an awful lot for what they are not doing )!!
To all my dear people: I had to reach out. I am no longer in the mental health danger zone of getting hospitalized. I am far from well, but but I am taking my first steps to recovery. None of you know how much your words of support meant to me. They were reminders in my darkest moments of what I had to keep fight for. I am so grateful to all of you. Once again being a part of this community will be a major part of my healing process. I’m back!
Covid19?
@@stacyyoust No, I suffer from bipolar disorder, which is focused most on severe depression and suicidal ideation. The Covid guess makes really good sense though at this time.
So happy your back Brian, we all missed you....stay strong💙💙💙💙🌈🌈
Let’s take one day at a time💙
@@rustyb2692 Rusty❤️❤️❤️ your words mean the world 🌎 to me. I have a long way to go, and it takes a long time for my brain to heal, but I am back on track. My first order of self imposed therapy is I am going to write to Biden, and share my story, and tie it to a failure of our government. Our services are really starting to fail, and it makes people resent and not trust our democracy. I hope you will read it. My brain is still in a fog, and I might need a critical eye.
5/6: McConnell’s argument stressed that Trump should instead be criminally prosecuted, because that’s what his corporate donors wanted to hear him say, but I suspect that if someone actually tries to prosecute Trump, Mitch will oppose it and do everything in his power to block it.
Well it will be difficult to intervene without committing a crime...that might be out of the scope of Mitch's duplicity skill set.
Republicans will instantly lament the politicised judiciary and the witch hunt if Trump were to actually be charged with anything. Obviously.
Lovett- you make so much sense- and your skin looks magnificent.
Make it a talking filibuster so you have to physically hold the floor to block legislation.
So the goal of this trial was from the POV of the Senate: 1) expose our inability to do anything, and 2) our laziness to do anything about it.
Neither did you Mitch. I hate this speech. What am I supposed to do with this speech? You voted not guilty.
Brilliant observation as always!
Inspiring me to fight for better lives for all, not just the few
The thing that grossed me out was after all this, looking at /r/conservitive and also seeing the twitter trends, they don't care that McConnell blames trump, they care that Trump won. "Don't care, got mine." and it's just... so disappointing that these people are this way. Worst part I've seen is many I have talked to casually actually believe in many liberal values but just fight against the tags or they tag things with things they don't understand.
It's a pretty weak consolation prize after being trounced in the election though
The team that only cares about winning are still losing more often than not.
And that gives me some cautious hope for the future
Don’t know that having witnesses would have helped, wasn’t the entire jury witness to the event? And as for Trump’s state of mind...well his Twitter feed has given us enough enough insight into that racist dust bin...not sure I want to venture any further into the amoral vacuum
I think it's very fortunate for Trump that there's bigger fish to fry. Ironically there's bigger fish to fry precisely because he was focused on re-election rather than doing the job.
Love these guys
1/1: Mitch McConnell is perhaps the most cynical, calculating, empty husk of a man ever to disgrace the halls of the Senate.
McConnell and the filibuster have merged through unholy congress into one contorted being, their fates entwined for all time...
And he has outlived Trump. Trump is done..
The most cynical, calculating, empty husk of a man ever to disgrace the halls of the Senate... so far
6/6: For the foreseeable future, Democrats should respond to every proposal or objection from Republicans by saying, “sorry, we don’t negotiate with insurrectionists.”
Or just call it what it is: terrorism
I absolutely love that 😄😊🇺🇸
"If the glove don't fit, either way I don't give a shit." Lol! Perfectly sums up the republicans point of view on all things Trump.
The constitutional issue Mitch brought up was already decided before arguments began. By bringing that up again he blatantly disregarded the precedent created by the very deliberative body he was a part of at the time. I'm surprised there's absolutely no consequence for him breaking with precedent created literally at the beginning of the very same trial. What he effectively said was 'I don't recognize the vote & precedent created before the trial began.' That was a slap in the face of senate procedure.
4/6: McConnell’s fig leaf was so microscopic, it didn’t cover even the tip of his minuscule endowment.
I'm not surprised whatsoever, Jon, Jon & Tommy. But that's okay. There's always criminal charges & lawsuits. Kinda hard to campaign for office when you're broke & confined to Rikers Island.
What was necessary to do for the evolution of American democracy has been done. A vote to impeach was supported by two parties and it was shown that this could be done. Calling witnesses wouldn't have changed a thing because McConnell was always going to unilaterally call Decision that the Impeachment was constitutional fake.
Kevin McCarthy's 'WTF do you think you're talking to?' was actually 'Sorry to bother you Mr. President. May I run away now sir?'
The 'gun on the mantle' metaphor was stunning it's so accurate
End the filibuster and pass S1. I desperately want this bill to pas.
Been waiting for this video for days!
Glad we got it to you!
This is why we have to stay together and vote strong. We've proven that if voters get out or do vote by mail, however we vote, just vote and we should be able to hold what we have.
Woo hoo!!! Electricity finally!!! I’ll watch as much as I can before losing power again. Thanks for a distraction from the misery. 💜
Stay warm!
Trump merely shows us his position in the power game. Millions upon millions still believe his lies. But it all shows us what we have to accomplish to survive. It's not just Trump.
I don't really understand what you mean when you say" what we have to accomplish to survive."
@@jacquelineleitch7050 Sorry to be too brief. For this nation to survive, with our declaration of independence and Article One of the Constitution, we have to get rid once and for all of the myth of American Exceptionalism, Once we have decided we are regular people, we can cure ourselves of racism, capitalism, and militarism. These are all just tasks -albeit mighty concerted efforts - to grow up to real adults and put ourselves in position to create a truly fair government. We have plenty of examples to show us - Germany, Fiinland, Swedon, Denmark, Norway, North Faroes Islands, Icelands, and some aspects of some others. People will say "We can't do all that!" but that's just our immaturity, because other peoples have. Some may not realize how far behind we have slipped.
@@larrysherkYes, that is correct but you will never be able to do so without the "s" word because anti-intellectual anti-socialism and pro evangelical religious right fascism (including the RC Church, mafia and other forms of colonialist corporatism) is only anti-socialism.
None of the counties you have listed are unaware of socialism as an imprint. They do think that they are normal and they aren't, they are riddles massively with European issues of misogeny, racism, xenophobia and hate but they struggle face to face with democratic politics where the further left you go the more "centered" and democratic you are.
Exceptionalism is another name for military protected corporate corporate colonialism mythologised with magical religious thinking.
@@jacquelineleitch7050 I think that all that is quite right on the course of thinking we have developed over the last few centuriies. I especially like your last sentence ! My assumption is that rather than "seeing nothing works", we can grow up and build a fair, caring government system that meets our needs. I'm not saying that will happen, but it should, and it could. When we drop our stupid hatred, then we can discuss things with each other.
Highlight of my day!
Waking up to this was what I’ve been waiting for practically holding my breath for you guys to articulate all the questions in my mind for several days. Thank you!! Exhale. Sort of. ....
The boys are back!
Here in Arizona it was Republicans who championed vote by mail, they loved it until 2020 and now suddenly they want to get rid of it. Sinema has been frustrating, she's a very serious legislator, always has been, has to be moderate to win the state but her position is still frustrating because she cares more about bipartisanship than legislating and caring so much about bipartisanship means you care more about patting yourself on the back than taking risks that you might do the right thing.
Would love some direction on how to make these anti-democratic movements die early and often, please and thanks.
It should never be possible to vote in a tyrant of any economic persuasion in a democracy. It is necessary to identify and discuss political science in public school.
Proportional Representation will phase out the violence of anti-democrats.
I knew they would acquit, but I almost wish they did drag this out, just to shackle every single one of them to the paper trail. Put everything in the record and forever tie them to all of it with their acquittal votes.
This makes sense - paper trails do help (if,/when... read) also, like Favreau's idea of one witness for each side, to at least offer something additional to the trial. Let's equate the two: Valentine's Day or Impeachment, gee, what's more important? And President's Day, ... half the Senate deserves to be stuck at work in contrived time-out, NO HOLIDAY. Everything was so complicated and toasted, the House Managers needed outside (of the White House) help! ... Third, I would like propose that the Pod Save America Team become DEM advisors, ASAP!
They didn’t need to call witnesses since the jurys are witnesses no additional testimony would have changed anything
but we knew they would acquit before starting impeachment, so why stop at witnesses, just after voting for witnesses earlier that day? It is a baffling self own.
@@burgermind802 didn't want witnesses after they threatened putting piglosi on the stand. you're all the same. the turtle and piglosi deserve each other.. encircled by a ring of fire in hell
call witnesses for the record. for the people.
They did the best thing. The longer you dragged the trial people would get impeachment fatigue. People want Congress to focus on all the things that matter after what they have been through.
There's some sort of "Silent Filibuster" thing that people have been doing where you don't have to stand and speak constantly... please explain.
Better read than heard. Brilliant Lovett.
Regarding the Philly inquirer quote on Toomey, that isn't out of context. That was basically his entire comment.
Prior to what favreau said, he had commented "we didn't send him to vote his conscience. "
Its nice that the GOP listened to the facts. There needs to be a neutral 3rd party in these hearings.
Greetings from Florida. We are still open and working. FLA
President Biden better not let us down or I will vote for a Republican next time around no matter what.
Why in the heck did Biden say he will not even consider pardoning student debt? Is he so damn indebted to Wall Street bankers?!
This is a red line for many progressive, Biden needs to do something for young Americans and free up their home purchasing power.
"32yo MAGA lunatics" ugh. the judicial fall-out to come...
HR1 is my most desired policy. I vote for Biden to pass it (and remove Trump)
So when does Hillary get credit for seeing the Republican base as it really is and saying it out loud for the first time as a major candidate? Deplorables, anyone?
Mitch's voice, tho. Why does it always sound like he's speaking from haunted space.
Because he's evil
Look at the meat-sack that "soul" is riding around in.
LOL
Maybe his Dad was a Methodist minister.
Since he has no heart, his chest voice has an unobstructed resonating chamber.
If the glove don’t fit, either way I don’t give a shit! TOMMY! I choked on my drink. Again, brilliant.
I lost my shit at this one too.
The glove didn't fit because OJ was carb loading in the L.A. jail. Only rich criminals can afford the buy out once they're caught bloody red handed.
Listening from Germany, what the fk is going on?
Many Americans worship Trump, a demon. That's what's going on!
The republican party found new depths of their 'fuck the country, jst get power' attitude.
About the filibuster question: Wouldn't it help already if filibuster reform requires a filibuster to be actually held as a speech on the floor or otherwise bills will automatically be voted on?
Well, I for one, don't really want to hear Ted Cruz read Dr. Seuss again. Or see Rand Paul try really hard to eat fun size snickers, without getting caramel on his tie. But, I am not sure about getting rid of the filibuster. I understand that it could backfire in 2022, if Republicans re-take the Senate or the House. But let's see how long they can go before the first Republican Filibuster.
Yes, make the party doing it commit to it fully, on the floor 24/7.
I have mixed feelings as well! Removing the filibuster for judges sure backfired on us! It’s all good when we’re in the majority, but could be extremely troubling if we’re in the minority!
@@scoobydoo3928 My assumption is that Republicans would just remove the filibuster in 2023 anyway. Might as well do it now.
Though I do enjoy the antics of Senators trying to stall for hours on end.
Do not register people to parties. Register to vote only. No gerrymandering will work if they can't say where Republicans are
Nonsense. White, evangelical = Republican.
Depends on whether the legislature is given more information from the census than the number of people/households to fit in each electorate
Perhaps, one could conclude that Trump didn’t pack the court, McConnell did. If those judges are beholden, throwing the book at Trump gives them all glorious cover.
Well, most of the actions taken by that 'administration' were not trump's idea (not that he objected to them).
I wrote Feinstein asking her to vote to get rid of the filibuster. She declined, stating she still thinks it's a "useful tool".
She's too old and rich and that's who she's there for...
So obvious what's wrong with these so called representatives. Look at their faces and soulless eyes.
Remember when Guliani brought that Chardonnay Karen to speak at that town hall? 🤷🏻♂️
Witnesses would have been hours of THAT from their side. 🙄😒😤
No witnesses? Good call. 👏
Dems need to vaccinate and get checks out to as many Americans as possible. Be competent
Oh, and get rid of deJoy
John's giggles are too much for me to handle...
The Trump lawyers “defense” had all the elements you’d expect: lies, ineptitude, whataboutism, both-sides-ism, false equivalence, phony outrage, intellectual dishonesty, hypocrisy, straw man arguments, bad faith arguments, slippery slopes, the parade of horribles, references to imagined “cancel culture,” video mashups taken out of context, and laughably weak or irrelevant legal arguments. They knew none of it mattered because the GOP would vote to acquit Trump no matter what, and it showed.
Mr. Van der Veen claimed that the 144 law professors (from all across the political spectrum) who signed a joint letter were “partisans” trying to silence and intimidate him, and exclaimed (in transparently fake indignation), “How dare you?!” Did he not even see the irony and blatant hypocrisy of attacking their right to publish such a letter in the midst of making a pro-First Amendment “free speech” argument? He then promptly proceeded to demonstrate that he is, in fact, a personal injury attorney, not a constitutional law scholar, by making the precise frivolous First Amendment argument that their letter debunked. He thus illustrated Asimov’s famous quote that American democracy has always had a strain of anti-intellectualism, which believes in the fallacy that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
I am a registered republican, probably a RINO but still a republican for the past 20 years and I just don't understand the numbers they are reporting of republicans wanting all things Trump. He cares for no one but himself and if you couldn't see that from the past 4 years I again just don't understand how you can still be under his spell. I am so tired of this party and will be changing my party affiliation.
Ridiculing and mocking the other party, how does that get the two parties to work together? - Kathy
Thanks to Mrs Roosevelt the right to vote is also a Human Right.
Dont forget that McConnel had a huge role to play in the appointment of judges who will likely hear any case against Trump
The GOP lost another popular vote.
I like the idea of a filibuster reform where republicans hold up voting for a couple of days and in that time have to make their case on the floor of the Senate. Then, voting continues. They have gotten by with far too much without ever having to explain their evil intentions.
45 just put out the most butthurt statement about McConnell.
Lmao really? 🤣What was it? Do you have a link I can watch?
If it's the one that described him as 'dour' and 'sullen'....... he did write that statement.
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2/6: McConnell’s argument in support of acquittal was the equivalent of “how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?” Not only was his purported rationale a blatant case of jury nullification, he did’t believe a word of it himself. It was all just an elaborate, tortured excuse to let Trump off the hook.
Agreed..
i hope you stayed up all night thinking of that elaborate eloquation
Target the messaging when it comes to pro-democracy initiatives. I suspect that in many parts of the country, framing the case solely around civil/voting rights will get less traction than framing it around the need to get money out of politics.
Finally👏👏👏
Oy! Jon Favreau! You didn't even say good-bye!!! My question is, who is going to centralise the Democratic messaging going forward; honestly, the Democratic Party is TERRIBLE at communicating ANYTHING. I found the contributions of the Lincoln Project helpful (though I think you guys weren't always fans). With their implosion mid-plosion, what part do you see for some of its latest aisle jumpers in heading up that communications push, say Steven Schmidt? Who's going to run that show? I'd like to see this issue covered during one of your Pods. Thanks as always for another good post.
There is a bipartisan agreement that is most important to both democrats and republicans, maintaining their duopoly hold on power. So they will always make deals to never let the other side totally lose face with their political base.
Talk is good, but action is necessary. Americans everywhere need to speak out and DEMONSTRATE PEACEFULLY on the streets for what they want. Look to other countries who get results.
Also not surprised. For a nation which espouses "rule of law", some of your procedures are very difficult to understand.
They showed us that it could be done and then quit after putting in the work.
I don't hold it against them, but i understand why others do.
Please factor in the fact that GOP is shrinking when considering these polls. So Donald's base is shrinking not just by GOP leaving the party but also by the percentage of his support within the remaining people in the GOP. What we need to focus on is supporting & informing those people who have left the GOP or are still in the GOP but don't support Donald's position in the party.
Does the DNC have a role in promoting HR1? This needs to be a party-wide push, doesn't it? If there was leadership there, state committees and even town committees could rally around and help educate voters. Agree with Lovett that Sinema and Manchin need to be met where they are to get persuaded about the filibuster. Whose job is that though?
Manchin and Sinema can talk about principles and the institution of the Senate all they want, but there is, I think, a very simple reason they’re trying to keep the filibuster: dragging along 10 Republican senators as your political cover is much easier than your vote being the reason a bill passed or failed. They don’t want the pressure, they don’t want the heat, they don’t want to be jammed between a bill that is widely popular nationwide but maybe a little less so in their states. They are, in essence, trying to protect their own political fortunes at the expense of the country and democracy. We need to start calling this out and dealing with this reality. If they didn’t want the national attention, they shouldn’t have run for Senate. They need to start putting the country ahead of their discomfort.
Omg, I woke up at the perfect time. Hello guys
Hello!
Where in the world is Samantha Williams? I'm in Bali and the notification popped up while taking a... hemm
let's just say before my morning coffee.😁
Jaime Herrara Beutler is a republican, which means her sworn oath ain't worth shit. Who's to say she would actually tell the truth on the stand? At least this way they get her words into the record.
Beyond 2024, don't forget that Tom Cotton, Josh Hawley, and Marco Rubio are in their 40s. Even Ted Cruz is only 50 years old. They have plenty of time and opportunities if a 78-year old Trump is the nominee in 2024.
A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush! They got the statement entered into evidence without dispute. Witnesses would have definitely been disputed
I think the real issue with the witnesses issue is that people think that a witness is going to be just bringing someone into chambers, both sides question them and theres crying and fireworks, etc.
But its not going to be law and order with a stunning confession from Trump that he only realizes after the prosecutor walks slowly back to his desk and sits down, smiling, and saying no more questions.
Calling witnesses was going to take time because the witness is deposed privately and the depositions read at the trial later. The issue is that any real witness would be a Republican and it was known ahead of time, which, if the "very friendly guys" of the GOP who met with defense lawyers during the trial was any indication, that person would be bumrushed, threatened/explained in very specific detail why they need to be part of the "right" side. So any witness would be political and therefor any testimony would be political in nature.
Now, the other problem with the trial is the number of jurors who were complacient/colluded with Trump on the lies, promoted them, never stood up for truth....and so in finding Trump guilty, they would then be facing the possibility that they would be easily indited as well, as they found what Trump did to be a high crime & misdemeanor, so they would have a hard time defending themselves. So you take all of this into account and there was no chance of them finding Trump guilty. What surprises me more is that after Trump lost them any power they had, they still claim that Trump is only able to get them that power back....except that he is now deciding to target GOP who have offended him.
If the Democrats made a mistake it was failing add a second charge of dereliction of duty. Trump still would've been acquitted, but it would have added strength to the House mangers' case.
They would just argue what it meant, saying "not a legal charge". Non jurisdiction constitutionally of former presidents.
As it was, Repubs were reduced to technicalities on the serious charge, which fitted what Trump did
"Bi-partisan impeachment" - that'll show him... 🤣 smfh
Guys, so what if Beutler had been deposed on tape? Any difference in the court of public opinion?
The court of public opinion was cast in concrete on the day the Capitol was attacked. Anyone still supporting Trump after that is not reachable or teachable. They'll have to figure it out for themselves. I had a similar experience after my divorce. We were amicable until my ex hooked up with a really toxic narcissist. Instead of fighting my ex I backed off and let her see him for what he was. As long as I was defending myself against her sudden change of personality it brought her more under his influence. As a result she quickly saw what he was and were divorced within three years.
I know the DINO's like Sinema and Manchin are a worry, but it was a good sign that they did vote to convict trump.
McConnell knows that, for there to be an amicable split between Republican voters and trump, Republican voters need to see that trump isn't electable. And because of that, I think McConnell will take winning in 2022, but losing in 2024 if trump is on the ticket.
We Know he is guilty! But we also knew that republicans were not going to vote guilty!
Hollow victory. Historical, but hollow. Foresee we'll be remembering this for how hollow this was, rather than for anything else.
I think you're letting your emotions speak rather than thinking about the big picture. The end of the civil war at the time must have felt like a hollow victory, especially after Lincoln's assassination, but time has layered it with meaning.
@@pakde8002 You're probably right. I just keep thinking that two impeachments are just going to be a badge of honor in motivating conservatives for the foreseeable future. The way spin is murdering us, don't really see it playing out any other way, and by the time people come to their senses with the power of hindsight in a decade or so, most of us still won't be able to correct any errors for younger generations, since most can't really articulate what's been going on. Me mum's a prime example: 72, MSNBC/CBS viewer, can't understand how things got to where they are, doesn't understand how her language and wearing a mask outs her to her conservative co-workers at the resale co-op (garage sale stuff) and her friends from teaching, can't understand how they've changed, why they're acting so weird, why they've been ostracizing her and treating her rudely in person and online.
Yeah, you're probably right; I'm probably too close to the effects of all this, am probably seeing it too emotionally. Guess in a hundred years, we'll know how people then look back on what's happening now. (I'm not being sarcastic; thanks for the reality check.)
Nice hat Tommy!
Yes that would be nice
Hey guys I really miss yesterday.
Telling that only 5 five R wanted witnesses, but 7 convicted
Solution to the filibuster "problem": Dont end it, change it. Make it, so instead of the filibustering minority just having 1 person holding it all up, while the rest take the day(s) off, and the majority MUST have 60 votes to break the filibuster - reverse it. So the minority filibustering MUST have 41 votes present at all times to keep the filibuster up. Put it on the obstructionists to have to be there and publicly stand up for their obstruction every single minute.
But it’s all in the history books now.
Kevin never denied the conversation publicly or privately
Non ironic slow clap. Rare form, boys.