Phrozen Transform vs Peopoly Phenom - HUGE Resin 3D Printer Showdown!
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Been watching your videos, and not sure what option to get. Any advice right now on what large scale 3d Resin Printer to buy? I'm looking at the Phrozen Sonic because it can do a 12" x 12" space, and that's what I need. It appears the Elegoo Jupiter is just slightly too small, and the Epax is pricier. I'm located in Canada. Thanks for any help.
Thanks for the comparison. Great to hear all the subtle nuances of each!
Wonderful video! You covered all the questions asked and went into great detail! Also congrats on the D+ !!!! :D
Thanks brotha man
Hey, congrats on the Disney sponsorship! Thanks for the shout-out! Much appreciated!
haha I wasnt lying either. I cant wait to watch Skywalker again on the 4th!
This is a super valuable review. Well explained into detail and good examples. It's nice that you show printed models too.
I bought the peopoly phenom last year 2021 and i absolutely love it . I had 2 small creality resin printers before i bought the phenom and they were great but the build volume was too small thats why i bought the phenom . The phenom runs like a mack truck and sounds like one 24 hours a day 7 days a week. It is a well made and engineered machine it so easy to use. I watched your unbox and review before i bought it . I also seen it in on other youtube channels and wanted it from the first time i seen it your review sold me on it completly . The peopoly phenom makes a perfect print every time for me . Thanks for your review on it and all the other 3d printers out there you keep me up to date . Happy creating ........
Thank you!!!!!! we was waiting for this comparrison so long! This 2 Printers are amazing
haha took A LITTLE longer that i was expecting to make ;)
Thanks for the Video! Been really undecided on the phrozen or the phenom and this was the comparison I needed! Also happy Star Wars day for tomorrow!
Thanks for checking it out. Both machines really are awesome and when it comes down to the most important part... printing... they both produce great prints. Cant wait to watch Skywalker again tomorrow!
All that aside. GREAT VIDEO!!! been waiting for this video for awhile even before i pre ordered my transform
woot woot! thanks for checking it out and you will love the transform!
Absolutely terrific match-up Jessy! Thanks for taking the time to do the head-to-head!
Thanks for checking it out man! We'll have to get that live stream sorted again!
Awesome review, really love all of your videos and its helped me moving on to a resin printer! Im actualy looking into buying the Peopoly Phenom for my little buisness but im a little concerned about the adhesion problems on the plate. Have you had many problems with this? Ive seen on your previous videos some models got unstuck but still printed great.
Congrats on the Disney+ sponsor! That sounds big!
Thanks Uncle Jessy for the Patreon shout out. I have the Phrozen Transform and the fans do run when on, but at a lower speed. Then when you print they speed up and get pretty loud. I like the fact that they run at a lower speed when not printing because I have mine vented outside. And the fan helps keep fumes out of the room.
Nice video! Very detailed comparison! At some point I need one of these 😍
okay there Mr Cosply Chris file supplier ;) I'm going to have to pickup that file off your etsy shop. So damn cool.
Your videos are always so amazing! Everything i have learnt about 3d printing has come from your videos!!! Looking at getting my 1st Resin printer soon as I've previously used the Cubicon filament printer, I'm gonna be having dreams about that Peopoly Phenom all month!!!
Much appreciated for watching them. No joke, the Elegoo Mars is an awesome starting machine at $250 before jumping up to these monsters.
You'd be better off with the transform. Jessy has bad wifi - my network connectivity is flawless on mine - and its SO much easier to just send the file to the PC rather than save it onto a usb drive then go plug that into the machine. The Transform prints larger, weighs less, and has better features. It also DOES work w Chitubox. I think Jessy hasn't really dug into it since he got it. Plus the Phenom is 50% heavier meaning youll pay more for shipping
I'm glad that I watched the final few seconds before posting, which answered a question that I have about the FEP film that they come with. The Elegoo Mars comes with, and is designed around, a 0.127mm FEP film, but I have found that a perfectly leveled build plate with this film usually causes a build failure. The failure usually occurs around the 4-5mm layer, due to the suction of the film against the LCD panel, and it's rigidity, as the film is too close to the LCD, and it is not able to flex enough to allow a safe separation of the print from the film.
On the Elegoo Mars, there are 2 ways to fix this, 1) increase the distance between the LCD and the film using tape on the left & right edges, 2) use a thinner FEP film. Since the plate area is small, I go with #1 on a new printer, and #2 once I need to replace the FEP film. Both work, and I have never had a failed print when using either method. However, the Transform and the Phenom have a build plate that is 4-6 times larger, so I doubt that option #2 would be a good idea, as the thinner FEP film would probably not stand up to the higher suction.
Have you tried using the tape method to just slightly raise the tray away from the LCD? I have a feeling that it would prevent the issue completely. ENJOY!!!
Regarding plugs on the back you can get round that with a USB extension cable, I use one with my Mars so that the place I plug the thumb drive in is right next to my PC
Where can I get the file for that skull dude? That's an awesome sculpt!
Thanks for this great comparison. Have you tried both printers with the Siraya Tenacious flexible resin. Which of them has better results with this material? What is the printing speed of each of them? Have you had trouble to get replaced the LCD screen? Which one's is more durable? Have you tried the Phrozen XL 4X?
Thanks! Been waiting for this video. Right before you pulled out the slanted top print, I had the same idea. Hoping to get my Peopoly Phenom in July? At least that's what they said. Have you experience any shortage on Resin cleaning supplies due to the Pandemic?
Finally! Been quarantine-waiting for this!
Chechin haha hope it was worth the wait
@@UncleJessy it sure was! Keep up the good work!
Great reviews! Which resins are you using to print these models?
Awesome review. Where do you get the piece to print that goes over the bed on the phenom to help the resin drip off? Can't find it anywhere.
Does it work well for tiny vintage electronic parts such as gears and idlers for tape decks mechanisms?
which one would you recomend for small production on terms of speed and accurate
Thanks for the information. Is it suitable for jewelry printing? Frozen sonic mega 8k ?
I believe the term Plates gives from the old days of first generation stereo lithography where they used actual physical plates (transparencies or otherwise) to mask each layer. It's kibda cool that they show the individual masking layers (plates) on screen as it prints.
Also, I've found that rebooting the Phrozen Shuffle Lite reestablishes wifi when it goes out. The UI looks identical between the transform and the shuffle lite, so you may have the same success on rebooting.
Great content as always, thanks Uncle Jessy!! I got the Elegoo Mars because of you and it's an awesome printer but definitely looking forward to more larger volume printers. Is most of the resin still pretty toxic? That's my only con with these resin printers so far, other than the cleaning process heh. I know Elegoo worked on a water washable resin but I doubt that means less toxicity. Just moved houses so haven't gotten back into printing but looking forward to it. Living vicariously through you hah.
Thanks for the great comparison. You upbeat style is pleasant view.
UJ, I have a transform. So I understand chitubox profile it ignored and the test profile loaded into the machine, its the unique setting available for print?? Can I load more?? How can you change it to have maximum resolution on small printings?? I still having bad printings in my transform some times. Some tips to get good print attempt, did you fail on your print or have 100% success on your prints? Thank UJ, your print are amazing!!
Grats on the Disney+ sponsorship!! That sounds big!
If you were to only use the wifi (which i would) is it easier to use than having to insert and copy from USB? (phrozen). Im looking at both of these as well. Also, do you find the slicer for phrozen worse than chitu? or similar...
also, I would presume that shortly there will be mono screens after market for a LOT less than 1k$.. if I buy the phrozen it will be the regular screen. thanks
I have a Phenom but haven’t upgraded the firmware yet. Does the new firmware support the CTB format over that other chitubox format? Gonna also try your support settings because when I print, it doesn’t fail but I get crazy strong supports that are crazy hard to remove.
Hey, UJ, love your vids, just wondering how you think the EPAX-X156-w-133inch-4Kmono-LCD-Printer will stack up against these two?
Hey Jessy! Im following you from the start and you are really inspiration and because of you i started my 3d printing business. Thank you and keep it up!
The thing i wanted to ask you is, do you need some kind of screen protection for these beasties as you need for Anycubic and if yes, you have some source to buy it from?
I was having general connection problems in my man cave so I put another router down there in extender mode and it made all the difference! I can sit upstairs and send files to the Transform with no problem. Also I use Chitubox with the Transform. Simply save the file in a zip format that Chitubox supports and the Transform handles it just fine.
Yeah I’m using the same with with zip files and using the onboard slicer. Might try to setup another router in my print room
Nice comparison, many thanks!
thanks a lot for your video ! Did you see resin spillage because of the flat build plat form of the Peopoly ?
Cheers!
I wanted to take time out to say thanks for all the 3d videos you have done they have really helped me to get into it with ease . Ive been 3d printing for 2 years now i started off with 2 creality lb200r resin printers then went to the peopoly phenom i love this machine it is so durable . Large scale printing was what i wanted to and the phenom was in my price range . Again thanks a million if only you knew how many people you have helped in the 3d community old and new because im one of them i was watching you videos while waiting for my first creality machine to come in then i got so into it i bought another one . Congratulations on your new work space i hope its working out for you. Happy creating...............
Hello. I enjoyed this review, very thorough. However, perhaps I've missed something (I'm fairly new to 3D printing), but I was wondering why the Photocentric Pro LC hasn't been mentioned. It's a resin printer with a far bigger build volume than either of the above machines, whilst other specs seem comparable, and it's similarly priced to a Form 3. It's available to buy here in the UK. Isn't it available in the US?
Hi, if the filament motor does not respond at moving test or the filament stepper motor does not move,the printer can not work or will blackout?(I am from Hungary my English is not perfect hope you understand my meaning.)
Awesome review for both of those. I have the Epax X10 and am super happy with it. Looking at getting a bigger Epax X series printers. The build plate for the phenom looks the same as the build plate on the Epax X10 but the Epax has an angled build plate available for resin drain off. The difference might be in size but Epax has bigger printers available which should have the angled build plate to match.
Can you use any brand of resin like the elegoo resin with the Peopoly Phenom?
great Video! you have a link to buy the transform? Ive only been able to find china based links
thanks!
Great video brother! Just as a couple tips with regard to the Phrozen Trabsform: the WiFi is impossible to connect to unless you change your WiFi name, which forces your transform to relocate it. I connected on the first try after renaming. Downfall is I had to reconnect everything in my house to the new WiFi. Also, you will have to have the WiFi connection or Ethernet connection on the transform in order to upload files and to change resin profiles. You’ll have failed prints right and left until you can alter the resin profiles. The USB ports on the Phrozen are also not soldered to the case, which can cause the usb to push in and potentially break. Just saying the bad with the good. Once you get the hang of it, the transform is a beautiful machine though. Thanks for doing this head to head, I’ve been waiting for it for awhile now.
The one thing holding me back from purchasing a resin printer, other than no money, is that I am curious to know if the reasons for these machines are proprietary or can you use other resin. I’m interested in castable resin and other non-tradition resins. Awesome video.
Great video man. Been waiting for this one. I have the Transform and got a great deal during there Kickstarter. I notice you use pretty heavy supports but low density. Any chance of a video om your support settings, tips and tricks?
Hey hey! Thanks for checking it out. I was just thinking about a video around support settings. Stay tuned!
@@UncleJessy Awesome, looking forward to it.
I been thinking about getting a resin printer for making better detail stuff for my train layout. Can you give me a idea on what would be a good one to start out with
Can you please share your transform settings or are you using stock resin settings. Thanks
Could you drill holes in the Peopoly's build plate?
Thanks for this. Do you see any type of print quality advantage of one over the other?
Not really not. There so far has been nothing glaring print quality wise that I can see. I also dont really ever print below .050 layer height on these since it would take FOREVER to print haha
What additional costs are associated with prints larger than the smaller resin printers?
How about excellent videos, I want to buy one of these two printers Phrozen Transform vs Peopoly Phenom I want to make my own helmets and armor which of the two do you recommend more and another question if the part that is printed is larger can be sectioned and pasted later if It is made of resin and what type of glue can be applied to join them in one piece, and another suggestion I hope soon your videos will be translated or subtitled in Spanish thanks and greetings from Mexico
how long do the LCD's last? Does the peopoly accept mac based slicers?
Thanks for the report Jessy and congratulations for the Disney sponsorship! Now that you have been testing those two fat bed printers for a few months, can you make us a video of your post printing setup for such big size models ? From what I have been able to understand, scaling up means you can't rely on the same tools to wash and cure your prints because uhhh they're HUGE ! Yes, you can wash minifigs in a pickle jar full of isopropyl and use a nail curing station, but here we're closing to industrial level gear... Can we even rely on consumer ultrasound cleaners for that print size? How have you managed ? What equipment have you chosen?
Great vid man. I want on of these sooooooooo bad. :)
I love your videos but something is wrong with your Transform. I am posting this to correct some inaccuracies. First, the transform DOES work with Chitubox. Its literally the only program I use. This is due to Chitubox adding support for the Transform. You just save it as a .zip not a .chtu (or whatever their file extension is.) and the transform can read it. You are correct that the resin profile in the printer can override Chitu, so I set Chitu and transform both to the same profile. This is an asset however, as the machine saves multiple profiles so I can swap resins and not really have to fiddle with chitu settings if i don't want. For example, if I want to print something in two different resins, I dont have to go back and edit the stl, I can just tell the transform to use the other resin profile. Your unit may be older. I got mine 2 weeks ago and the wifi connectivity works flawlessly - ive never had to use the USB drive. Transform did do a firmware update. It doesn't change much but the buttons are more responsive. I feel like you rushed this video and didn't take a fresh look at the Transform, instead relying on your earlier review. Yes, I guess if you don't want to/cant use network connectivity, reaching around is a minor annoyance, but I cant understand you recommending the Peopoly based on that. Lets review your review: You're recommending we buy a printer that doesn't have any network capability, has a smaller build volume, and is 50% heavier? Because you like the window? OK Man, I guess. To each their own but, for my money, the Transform has better features. Let go of the whole USB thing and fix your home wifi network. Mine works really well. Lastly and , most importantly, while I disagree with you here, I love everything else you've posted. Keep the great content coming! thanks!!
Awesome video, thanks! I see you had some sort of mat puzzle pieces on the shelves (assuming wire-frame?). What are those, and are they for vibration control, or catching resin?
Yeah the shelves have a wire mesh bed, depending on the shelf I put down .25" thick plywood and then sit Foam Floor Mats on top. It helps with the noise/vibrations. I get the mats from Harbor Freight under $10 for a pack of 4.
@@UncleJessy Thanks for the info!
Compare to Elegoo Saturn, which one has higher print quality? One is 72 um another one is 4k...donr know how to compare. I didnt get both yet but think just put more money at once and get a bigger print volume at once rather then get a mid size like Saturn and need to buy another bigger one in the future...
Thank you for the video.
Can you please post links to the models used or at least artists ?
Uncle Jessy - with these larger size prints how do you manage to clean and dispose of all the resin residue, including the supplies and water needed in the process. Thanks, I am considering purchasing one soon.
The Transform I have has it's fans of until it starts a print. The plates stands for Buildplates, different name but same principle. Love mine, only isue I have is the slicing. THe fact that it has it's own slicer is 1 thing, but that Phrozen doesn't tell you anywhere is a pain in the behind.
The webinterface for transfering works great and fast. Much better then using USB sticks.
@unclejessy thanks for the info! selling off my small resin to get an ender 5+ and then a phenom. how do you clean your parts.
Wow awesome machines, but I have a question? can you cover resin use? how much what it would cost as a hobby, I love purchasing and printing, statues of my favorite characters, and I usually print at 12".
are there any toxic fumes from the resin curing we should know about?
Also keep in mind since the Phenom is larger and heavier the shipping will also be more expensive.
Shipping is free through MatterHackers
i know this is an older video but can you use formlabs resin ?
Can I use this as a mold to pour silicone into a finished print?
Thank you for this !
Great Review thx bud !
Hi I'm new to this 3D printing stuff. You mentioned in your video that the phrozen's screen is upgradable and got me thinking about screen lifespan. How long do they usually last? Will it be easy to replace the screen on the Phenom because I'm interested in that one. I'm a Mac user too and that's the main reason why I'm eyeing the Phenom.
This is really cool! Good comparison!
And I have only a Anycubic Photon.
I now have an idea of what to get next, but I am a bit concerned of the life of the LED matrix. What do you think about that?
I try to learn a lot from you and do a channel myself.
Do you need to buy FEP film? What is this for?
Hey sorry to bother but how nice are resin printers for lithophanes?
Sometimes the support in resin printing is art itself.
Pretty wild stuff right?!
Would love to see a video by you on what resins you've found work best for what printers, especially for cost. I've been trying to find a resin that works better than elegoo but is cheaper than the peopoly resins for my phenom.
Hi, do you think the Peopoly is reliable enough to use for "mass production" of game miniatures? Thank you!
@Daniil Sanders Hi thank you. I was thinking more about small scale minis max hight 1 1/2 inch (4cm). I know print them on FDM printers wich works fine. One of those could get me more minis in the same time. I am just not sure if they can replicate the same quality every time. I bought some minis printed on a Elegoo mars, they looked great but all had slightly warped bases.
Great video between these 2 printers. I've been trying to decide which one I want to save up for. There has been one thing I was curious about and that was the resins used. I was reading that the Phenom would probably only be able to use its own name brand resin while the Transform would be able to use most commercial resins.
I would like to know more about this as well?
I'm about to upgrade to one of these & have been leaning toward the Phenom, & this just sealed it for me. I will be ordering a Phenom very soon...
I have these two monsters, I have two TF ~
Phenon has been officially abandoned, and two new machines have been launched in less than a year. The upgrade Phenon had promised no longer exists.
what resin do you use for there printers? thx!
How long does it take for around 350 - 400mm prints?
Those printers are a beast! Love the ROC rep too with that shirt!
#ROC ;)
Hello,
How do you wash and cure these huge figurines ??? Thx
Hi Jessy I would want the Ipax (the one with the white Door)
The problem with the WiFi on these machines is the metal frame as it "blocks" the signal.
Great video. Keep up the good work.
That’s a good point. Might be impacting it
ABOUT TIME! lLOL I am just kidding but you did take long enough that the Peopoly Noir is out, so now we need a comparison between the two Peopolys!!
I am debating getting the Phenom L looks to have same positives the phenom has, but is quite a bit larger build volume then both shown in this video except it is a bit more expensive.
Anyone can assist me to choose between a Peopoly Noir & Phrozen Transform?? Thanks.
Thank you from a newbie wanting to get the best bang vs bucks.
What about resin compatibility?
Thanks for making this, I was so torn between the 2 I liked everything about phenom better than the transform but liked the bigger size of the transform. When I looked they were coming out the the phenom L so I ended up getting that and Im so happy! Came in yesterday and Ill be doing my 1st print today (little nervous since im new to resin printing) all my other printers are fdm. But again thank you so much for making this.
Hey was just wondering how you like your Phenom l I want to get one but I heard that some people had issues with Peopolys support
@@redtrollairsoft4701 if you are worried about support I would order from matterhackers, it might take a bit longer to get from them though. But I love mine, in part of the peopoly Facebook group and any questions or issues I've had they have helped me with. No issues with them from my end.
Darrell Tallman ok thanks I will get one through them when I have enough to buy one
i've been holding out for the epax156 but then their pricing was insane when you add on the monochrome display. I really want the large volume size but the speed improvement is really important too.
I'm really hoping the prices continue to drop as the tech improves over the next year.
Have you played with the epax156?
Uncle Jesse I wonder if you’ve heard about a 3-D printer the MALYAN SLA LCD Resin 3D Printer High Resolution Auto Leveling Wi-Fi Support 4K Resolution. I can’t find a review on it anywhere and I was wondering if you would consider doing a review on it?
Are the acrylic door panels removable? Glued, screwed... I’d just replace it with clear from local hardware store. Subbed. Great videos 😀👍
Big question!, whos information is wrong about the phenom build size, Matterhackers and propoly list as, 276mm x 155mm x 400mm, is 144mm the correct size or 155mm???
The correct size is listed in the specs on their site. The specs in chitubox are wrong. At least they were so the prints were really accurate because of that.
Ahh... my Transform was also the Indigogo special (or something like that) just like yours, and my fans only start running after I start a print...
How do you cure the files in that large sizr
Would u get the phenom or the Jupiter
I got the transform and think it's great. Looks like they are both rather evenly matched. I have not had issues with wireless yet. But I will say the reason I leaned to the transform over the phenom is history. I have moai and it's great... But peopoly seemed to drop support and development on the moai when the phenom came to light. Leaving a hole in the moai consumer base and leaves questions for me about the future support for the phenom.
Great Video still to expensive for my budget , when they hit the 1000 price point I will jump on it.
I'm wondering how long it will take for it to get to that point. Who knows maybe another year or so depending on how tech evolves or how many other companies get involved
Good luck with that, they seem to be increasing in price by about $50 a month since launch.
@@dennisberg2474 That won't last forever. The longer somethings on the market the more competitive the market gets and prices eventual start to drop.
What's comparable to this? For $1000 and anything under!!
They have it for les than 1k now, is it still worth it or is old technology