Talia’s twist not only hurts her character, but also drags Bane down too. Also, it could’ve benefitted from being a 2-Parter.
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The first time I saw the movie I genuinely believed Bane been Ra's son was just another change made to the mythos by Nolan. So I was truly surprised when she reveled herself as Thalia. I knew the character well but it never crossed my mind.
The reason is the actress hammed it up because Nolan wanted a speech and she felt it was better that she said nothing and died so she trolled Nolan knowing he only had a few minutes to film that scene
The Dark Knight Rises was a massive disappointment after the Dark Knight, as it was always going to be without Heath Ledger. I’ve only seen it twice and probably need to watch it again. I never liked the fact that Batman basically retires at the end. That seems uncharacteristic of the character. Bane was just a glorified henchman and died like a pussy. It’s still a decent film, but definitely the weakest of the three Nolan films.
@@gohanson27 You're wrong. Most of the best movies ever released are the best because of a specific actor... and 2008 The Dark Knight is the biggest proof of all, because without Heath Ledger as the Joker it would NEVER be the classic it is and Rises would never exist.
I didn't mind him retiring - the franchise had established that he was barely physically capable of walking unaided after 8 or 9 years (excluding training) due to the physical strain of being Batman - meaning that he had to end the trilogy retired, dead or permanently incapacitated. They had two opportunities to kill him off (the bomb and Talia's betrayal), one opportunity to incapacitate (broken back), but they went with a terrible fake-out death and retirement. What i did mind was the painfully on-the-nose Robin reference since anything that reminds me of Batman Forever p!sses me off. Rather than copy Schumaker's mistakes, Nolan could have had the series end with Wayne training Terry McGinnis. Sure, McGinnis was canonically a teen when he met Wayne, but at least he wasn't the "Boy Wonder", and was always meant to be Batman's replacement rather than his sidekick.
How about a little fire, Scarecrow?? (Seriously. I LOVE Cillian Murphy in the role. I want a Joker-style Scarecrow movie with Cillian reprising his role SO. BAD.)
“How about a little fire scarecrow?” I didn’t care for this version of Talia. Mostly cause since she’s not having much screen time so she’s kinda forgettable. Actress did fine but the movie didn’t do her performance justice. Can’t wait for next video
I did like they kept Ras Al Ghul's Arabic origins with his mercenary and love story of origin Also him speaking English fits into his "Theatricality and Deception" arc
I feel the script for TDKR was rushed and needed more polish. It had too many ideas and the pacing was way off. TDK has a perfect script imo. That said i have come to appreciate Rises more over time, it is very well directed and an engaging watch, warts and all. I used to love Begins but feel the second half of that movie is just stock comic book action. Whereas the stuff in Rises is at least unique, even if uneven from a story perspective. I like Cotillard its just a pointless twist and yeah an awkward death scene.
Vee, great video as usual but I differ on one point, that being the idea that Batman didn’t see Talia coming” the way I see it he did. As evidenced by the very fact that she dies with the belief that she succeeded where Ras Failed and yet she didn’t. The league was decimated, she died, Bane died, and as we are shown Batman saved Gotham. Everything she set in motion he countered. It’s fairly obvious by the coming true of Alfred’s dream that Bruce ended up with most of his fortune, less what was used to set up the orphanage, and what was left to Alfred.
Her secretly being a bad guy, yes, I saw coming… But… I genuinely thought she’d end up being one of Bane’s minions! Until the reveal, I honestly thought that it was Bane as a child, trying to escape the prison! 🤷🏻♀️
Actually I was genuinely surprised by the twist in the theater sin 2012 even though I'd known the Lore since before Begins came out, actually I didn't know about Ra's obscure Son. However because begins had already changed much of the Ra's lore and because TDKR simply was a damn good engaging movies I simply accepted what I was being told and face value and didn't question. Which is how good Film twists work, it's not about how how theoretically easy to guess it is, which is why they don't work as well in TV, the being given a week to think about it between episodes in why TV shows can't prevent the real answer being guess by someone. And people knew about Liam Neeson being Ra's already in begins because it had literally leaked, no one simply naturally guessed it
Which character do you want to make a “Problem With” video for first, Adam West’s Batman, Michael Keaton’s Batman, Danny DeVito’s Penguin, Michelle Pfeiffer’s Catwoman, Tommy Lee Jones’s Two-Face, Jim Carrey’s Riddler, Arnold Schwarzenegger’s Mr. Freeze, Uma Thurman’s Poison Ivy, Cillian Murphy’s Scarecrow, Anne Hathaway’s Catwoman, or Ben Affleck’s Batman?
Good stuff! I was hoping that you'd mention *Gotham* season 5, which, it came out in 2019, but just in case, _/!\spoilers alert /!\_ ... ... was a nice homage to Nolan's TDKRises. Sure, Talia was replaced by Nyssa, but I adore Jaime Murray and IMHO she did a much better job as Ra's daughter than Marion Cotillard did as Talia in TDKRises. I also have a soft spot for Bane in *Gotham* season 5, Shane West was an inspired casting choice, and the way he was played up as both a tribute to Tom Hardy's Bane (the similarities are too numerous to list) but the show didn't bother keeping the stuff that didn't work in the movie (mostly the mumbling & the somewhat weak motivation à la "I'm doing this because I'm in love with Ra's daughter"). Speaking of Ra's al Ghul himself, even if he has never gotten a really bad live action adaptation (Liam Neeson in *Batman Begins* and Matt Nable in *Arrow* both kicked ass), the version we got in *Gotham* played by Alex Siddig is by far my favorite Ra's... sadly there were a couple plot points involving him that went nowhere, but aside from that he was perfect IMO.
Ngl I acknowledge that this series has some great parts and overall is an iconic and great series of movies.... But basically all of these films were some of my least favorite takes on Batman media in general.
I think the chemistry between Cotillard and Bale was so strong! You could make the argument that Talia might have tried to recruit/seduce Bruce had he chosen to give up being Batman.
I always felt she should of been "Rachel Dawes" from the beginning We know Ras and The League of Shadows has influenced Gotham long before Thomas and Martha's murder in front of Bruce Even though I know Talia and Bruce are lovers had that happened the twist would of paid off a lot more and fit into the "dual identities" arc from Batman Beings
I feel like she's the worst villain of the entire series; yes, even worse than Jee Swenson Bane. I never like the sctress when she turns up in other things and this fails in even being Talia in name only. Her line deliveries are so, so bad. This is why I really don't like Neeson's casting as Ra's; it ended up also giving us her. It was truly the bad gift that kept giving.
I'm old enough to remember the original Talia actress: Helen Slater, whose voice was on the 1990s animated series. That Talia, I think, is a really underrated character from that series. It's a depiction that could have easily been nothing but the "lotus blossom": the young, innocent, but also seductive South Asian woman (not that I'm complaining!). But Slater managed to make Talia clever as well as sexy. Talia needs to be in at least one more Batman film. I think of her as "an evil Princess Jasmine," and that's my favorite Disney princess, so I've been fantasizing about Naomi Scott in the role.
I get what Nolan was going for with Bane but i think the riddler should've been the villain in the 3rd movie i would've LOVED to see Nolans take on that character
I still believe that the third film should have been a duology, as there were too many plot points with rushed unsatisfying conclusions. Talia's reveal being one of them. That said, even knowing of Talia al'Ghul I didn't see the twist coming so in some ways she was a better member of the League of Shadows than her father. The worst "villain" in the Nolan trilogy is by far catwoman. No chemistry whatsoever.
I have more a problem how they depict Bane, but they have done Bane wrong in every live action version. Either have more a problem with "Catwoman" in the movie.
Out of curiosity, have you watched the show *Gotham* ? My favorite live action Bane comes from that show, so I was wondering if you counted him as well (Catwoman in that show was also pretty damn good, Camren Bicondova looked just like a young Michelle Pfeiffer, and she had a really good chemistry with David Mazouz, the young Bruce Wayne)
@@randallflagg3700 I have watched the show, frommn begining until end. I hated what they have done with Bane. Bane is my fav Batman villain and they keep doing him wrong in live action versions, as they make keep making him a dumb henchman. I know they can't 100% faithfully adapt him in show Gotham, as he couldn't break a kid's back. But i wish they at least made him a smart guy when he is Bane (he was before he was turned into Bane), plus 1 thing as well every live action version he isn't Hispanic. The show had amazing (proto)Joker(s). The Riddler and Penguin were great as well. I agree with Catwoman. BTW you can like the version of Gotham if want, i know there r ppl who still love the Dark Knight Rises movie version. And as a character itself the character is fine, he just isn't Bane. Funny is the Batman and Robin version looks the closest, but have acted the least like Bane, the other 2 have at least shown high intelligence before they are (shown 2 be) henchmen.
Yea, TDKR was complete crap. Villains were crap, action scenes were crap. Schumacher's Bane was bad enough but Nolan's talking like Shakespear was action scenes just as bad. Story/plot was lousy/dull. Villains sure were waiting their sweet time as if they wanted to wait for Batman to show up,lol. Bad guys could've won in that movie if they weren't wasting time with speeches,etc.
My favorite versions of Talia are the ones where she is shown to be loyal to her father but also genuinely have feelings for Batman/Bruce. It gives her more character. And my least favorite versions, including the version that is the topic of your video, are the ones where she is depicted as being a little too loyal to her father or just plain evil. The latter example that I am referring to is the version of her that was shown in the DC animated movie universe. In Son of Batman, she was mostly fine but in Bad Blood she was a little too… and this is probably just my personal problem… she was a bit too generically evil.
Bane is an evil version of a Batman who shared his martial art skill and takes his armory. Talia is an evil version of Bruce Wayne who shares his business skills and takes his company.
@@Zekrel Her death scene was bad I agree. Bruce thought Dagget was the evil Bruce Wayne working with Bane when it was Talia all along. Talia lost her parents to criminals as a child similar to Bruce lost her parents to a criminal a child. The difference Talia was born and raised in a place darkness while Bruce was not. Talia thinks Bruce betrayed Ra’s as a son, and Bane thinks Batman betrayed Ra’s as a student. Talia and Bane were both jealous of Bruce/Batman. Talia was jealous as a child without her father and Bane was jealous as a student without his master.
@@petermj1098 You see? You just listed plenty of details about her character and Bane’s that made me care. However the movie had a great set up with what you listed but failed to deliver in the execution towards the end. Babe I personally feel was perfect. I know that a lot of fans think the twist ruined him but I think it added to his character. With Talia though… I can only appreciate her character if I try to piece together things that weren’t really mentioned in the movie. Also, we only got to see her be *Talia* towards the very end where she does not long after.
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Talia’s twist not only hurts her character, but also drags Bane down too. Also, it could’ve benefitted from being a 2-Parter.
The first time I saw the movie I genuinely believed Bane been Ra's son was just another change made to the mythos by Nolan. So I was truly surprised when she reveled herself as Thalia. I knew the character well but it never crossed my mind.
Same thing happened to me. Talia cross my mind until she revealed herself then I say oh yeah that’s right.
They accidentally spoiled the Talia twist with the behind the scenes leaks in Pittsburgh. That’s why alot of fans knew off the bat that she was Talia.
Same AF!
Huh?….. she was spoiled from the IMDB from the get go….. she was listed as Talia/Miranda….. sigh….
1:02 😂😂😂that windows sound bite just made that horrible scene HILARIOUS and so much easier to watch!
The reason is the actress hammed it up because Nolan wanted a speech and she felt it was better that she said nothing and died so she trolled Nolan knowing he only had a few minutes to film that scene
The Dark Knight Rises was a massive disappointment after the Dark Knight, as it was always going to be without Heath Ledger. I’ve only seen it twice and probably need to watch it again. I never liked the fact that Batman basically retires at the end. That seems uncharacteristic of the character. Bane was just a glorified henchman and died like a pussy. It’s still a decent film, but definitely the weakest of the three Nolan films.
This movie didn't need Heath for it to be great. No film needs -insert actor name- to be good.
@@gohanson27 Heath was set to come back for the third film, but died. That created a somewhat incoherent story.
@@gohanson27 You're wrong. Most of the best movies ever released are the best because of a specific actor... and 2008 The Dark Knight is the biggest proof of all, because without Heath Ledger as the Joker it would NEVER be the classic it is and Rises would never exist.
@@davideassis87 base on that logic TDKR made more money at the box office because Heath wasn't in it.
I didn't mind him retiring - the franchise had established that he was barely physically capable of walking unaided after 8 or 9 years (excluding training) due to the physical strain of being Batman - meaning that he had to end the trilogy retired, dead or permanently incapacitated. They had two opportunities to kill him off (the bomb and Talia's betrayal), one opportunity to incapacitate (broken back), but they went with a terrible fake-out death and retirement.
What i did mind was the painfully on-the-nose Robin reference since anything that reminds me of Batman Forever p!sses me off. Rather than copy Schumaker's mistakes, Nolan could have had the series end with Wayne training Terry McGinnis. Sure, McGinnis was canonically a teen when he met Wayne, but at least he wasn't the "Boy Wonder", and was always meant to be Batman's replacement rather than his sidekick.
How about a little fire, Scarecrow??
(Seriously. I LOVE Cillian Murphy in the role. I want a Joker-style Scarecrow movie with Cillian reprising his role SO. BAD.)
OMG this is 100% true! Her reveal ruined the entire climax for me!
I remember watching the movie and actually believing Bane was Ra's al Ghul completely forgetting that it’s Talia. Smh
I bring up that death scene every time someone tries to call that flawless.
Bane's death was awful.
@@anubusx its true. But hers was worse.
I bring up the comics whenever someone says Ledger was the best Joker
@@gohanson27 who played him in the comics?
@@anubusx yes thank u I agree
Yeah This was a twist that went out of nowere, in the comic or Animated versions she is Bruce's equal in many ways.
I definitely want to hear what you think of how they handle batman in the suicide squad game
Perfect
I'm a Nolan fanboy but the casting and direction of the women in the trilogy is the wealest link.
It's wield you didn't mention Cat Woman in this as they both suffered from having to split the screen time up between them
Besides the worst death in cinema history? Haha, that shyt was ridiculous..
How about a little fire, scarecrow?!
“How about a little fire scarecrow?” I didn’t care for this version of Talia. Mostly cause since she’s not having much screen time so she’s kinda forgettable. Actress did fine but the movie didn’t do her performance justice. Can’t wait for next video
The actress is gorgeous.
On top of everything you mentioned, my only issue with the Dark Knight Trilogy is that 3 out of the 6 villains were white washed
Hopefully 6/6 next time
@@uglukthemedicineman5933 well I know what kind of hood you keep in your house
@@avace917 grove street ftw
How about a little fire, Scarecrow?!
The real problem was that it undermined and overshadowed Bane at the end, which felt like a waste of a great performance by Hardy.
I love that throughout any Batman media,tailia goes of very middle eastern,mildly brown,or just straight up white
It's plausible. She's Asian, and there are at least three different Asian "races," so...
She’s chinese/arab I think so lots of room for interpretation
I did like they kept Ras Al Ghul's Arabic origins with his mercenary and love story of origin
Also him speaking English fits into his "Theatricality and Deception" arc
She is also the mother of his child in most insertions too
I think it would be exciting to see Damian eventually become Batman and find himself having to thwart his own mother!
I only remembered the Talia reveal scene from College Humor parodying it who remembers that?
CLEAN SLATE!!
I feel the script for TDKR was rushed and needed more polish. It had too many ideas and the pacing was way off. TDK has a perfect script imo. That said i have come to appreciate Rises more over time, it is very well directed and an engaging watch, warts and all. I used to love Begins but feel the second half of that movie is just stock comic book action. Whereas the stuff in Rises is at least unique, even if uneven from a story perspective. I like Cotillard its just a pointless twist and yeah an awkward death scene.
Vee, great video as usual but I differ on one point, that being the idea that Batman didn’t see Talia coming” the way I see it he did. As evidenced by the very fact that she dies with the belief that she succeeded where Ras Failed and yet she didn’t. The league was decimated, she died, Bane died, and as we are shown Batman saved Gotham. Everything she set in motion he countered. It’s fairly obvious by the coming true of Alfred’s dream that Bruce ended up with most of his fortune, less what was used to set up the orphanage, and what was left to Alfred.
I had to laugh when she shiek Batman in the side and he hollow like a tom cat.
_"How about a little FIRE, Scarecrow?!"_
Her secretly being a bad guy, yes, I saw coming… But… I genuinely thought she’d end up being one of Bane’s minions! Until the reveal, I honestly thought that it was Bane as a child, trying to escape the prison! 🤷🏻♀️
Her performance was solid outside of her awful death scene.
How about a little fire scarecrow?!
Good job as always! Anyways, that Talia twist was a little predictable, but its still a good story.
Actually I was genuinely surprised by the twist in the theater sin 2012 even though I'd known the Lore since before Begins came out, actually I didn't know about Ra's obscure Son. However because begins had already changed much of the Ra's lore and because TDKR simply was a damn good engaging movies I simply accepted what I was being told and face value and didn't question.
Which is how good Film twists work, it's not about how how theoretically easy to guess it is, which is why they don't work as well in TV, the being given a week to think about it between episodes in why TV shows can't prevent the real answer being guess by someone.
And people knew about Liam Neeson being Ra's already in begins because it had literally leaked, no one simply naturally guessed it
Nyssa was one of my favorite Arrow characters
Which character do you want to make a “Problem With” video for first, Adam West’s Batman, Michael Keaton’s Batman, Danny DeVito’s Penguin, Michelle Pfeiffer’s Catwoman, Tommy Lee Jones’s Two-Face, Jim Carrey’s Riddler, Arnold Schwarzenegger’s Mr. Freeze, Uma Thurman’s Poison Ivy, Cillian Murphy’s Scarecrow, Anne Hathaway’s Catwoman, or Ben Affleck’s Batman?
Good stuff! I was hoping that you'd mention *Gotham* season 5, which, it came out in 2019, but just in case, _/!\spoilers alert /!\_ ...
... was a nice homage to Nolan's TDKRises.
Sure, Talia was replaced by Nyssa, but I adore Jaime Murray and IMHO she did a much better job as Ra's daughter than Marion Cotillard did as Talia in TDKRises.
I also have a soft spot for Bane in *Gotham* season 5, Shane West was an inspired casting choice, and the way he was played up as both a tribute to Tom Hardy's Bane (the similarities are too numerous to list) but the show didn't bother keeping the stuff that didn't work in the movie (mostly the mumbling & the somewhat weak motivation à la "I'm doing this because I'm in love with Ra's daughter").
Speaking of Ra's al Ghul himself, even if he has never gotten a really bad live action adaptation (Liam Neeson in *Batman Begins* and Matt Nable in *Arrow* both kicked ass), the version we got in *Gotham* played by Alex Siddig is by far my favorite Ra's... sadly there were a couple plot points involving him that went nowhere, but aside from that he was perfect IMO.
Ngl I acknowledge that this series has some great parts and overall is an iconic and great series of movies....
But basically all of these films were some of my least favorite takes on Batman media in general.
The Dark Knight Rises really has not held up much, and this Taila twist is one of those examples. It really does a disservice to her character.
I think the chemistry between Cotillard and Bale was so strong! You could make the argument that Talia might have tried to recruit/seduce Bruce had he chosen to give up being Batman.
I always felt she should of been "Rachel Dawes" from the beginning
We know Ras and The League of Shadows has influenced Gotham long before Thomas and Martha's murder in front of Bruce
Even though I know Talia and Bruce are lovers had that happened the twist would of paid off a lot more and fit into the "dual identities" arc from Batman Beings
I feel like she's the worst villain of the entire series; yes, even worse than Jee Swenson Bane. I never like the sctress when she turns up in other things and this fails in even being Talia in name only. Her line deliveries are so, so bad. This is why I really don't like Neeson's casting as Ra's; it ended up also giving us her. It was truly the bad gift that kept giving.
Her death is either the best take they had or the only take they had and neither of those options are good
I hate this movie, it was a disappointment, also u can tell this film got affected by the death of Heath Ledger
I'm old enough to remember the original Talia actress: Helen Slater, whose voice was on the 1990s animated series. That Talia, I think, is a really underrated character from that series. It's a depiction that could have easily been nothing but the "lotus blossom": the young, innocent, but also seductive South Asian woman (not that I'm complaining!). But Slater managed to make Talia clever as well as sexy.
Talia needs to be in at least one more Batman film. I think of her as "an evil Princess Jasmine," and that's my favorite Disney princess, so I've been fantasizing about Naomi Scott in the role.
Are you going to be doing another Gotham villain video anytime soon. Perhaps on the Scarecrow or Mad Hatter
I get what Nolan was going for with Bane but i think the riddler should've been the villain in the 3rd movie i would've LOVED to see Nolans take on that character
She was ok
How come no one ever talks about how Talia, Ra's, and Bane were all whitewashed in The Dark Knight Trilogy?
I think this Talia is at least better than the Grant Morrison Talia. Grant Morrison ruined comic Talia and turned her into a psychopath for no reason.
I still believe that the third film should have been a duology, as there were too many plot points with rushed unsatisfying conclusions. Talia's reveal being one of them.
That said, even knowing of Talia al'Ghul I didn't see the twist coming so in some ways she was a better member of the League of Shadows than her father. The worst "villain" in the Nolan trilogy is by far catwoman. No chemistry whatsoever.
How about a little fire, Scarecrow?
I do not get the criticism of her death scene. What did you guys want? Her screaming in pain, coughing out blood? I personally found it found it fine.
Seriously, am I the only one who is distracted by that pimple on her forehead?
Scarecrow was not a good portrayal of the character
I like Cillian Murphy but Scarecrow wasted.
@@anubusx 100% agree! His talent was wasted on that role
For the disrespect he did to perhaps one of the greatest comic heroes Nolan Batman films will forever be "meh"
Literally just finished watching the trilogy and agree with this!😂
I have more a problem how they depict Bane, but they have done Bane wrong in every live action version. Either have more a problem with "Catwoman" in the movie.
Out of curiosity, have you watched the show *Gotham* ? My favorite live action Bane comes from that show, so I was wondering if you counted him as well
(Catwoman in that show was also pretty damn good, Camren Bicondova looked just like a young Michelle Pfeiffer, and she had a really good chemistry with David Mazouz, the young Bruce Wayne)
@@randallflagg3700 I have watched the show, frommn begining until end. I hated what they have done with Bane. Bane is my fav Batman villain and they keep doing him wrong in live action versions, as they make keep making him a dumb henchman. I know they can't 100% faithfully adapt him in show Gotham, as he couldn't break a kid's back. But i wish they at least made him a smart guy when he is Bane (he was before he was turned into Bane), plus 1 thing as well every live action version he isn't Hispanic.
The show had amazing (proto)Joker(s). The Riddler and Penguin were great as well. I agree with Catwoman.
BTW you can like the version of Gotham if want, i know there r ppl who still love the Dark Knight Rises movie version. And as a character itself the character is fine, he just isn't Bane. Funny is the Batman and Robin version looks the closest, but have acted the least like Bane, the other 2 have at least shown high intelligence before they are (shown 2 be) henchmen.
Yea, TDKR was complete crap. Villains were crap, action scenes were crap. Schumacher's Bane was bad enough but Nolan's talking like Shakespear was action scenes just as bad. Story/plot was lousy/dull. Villains sure were waiting their sweet time as if they wanted to wait for Batman to show up,lol. Bad guys could've won in that movie if they weren't wasting time with speeches,etc.
I’ve always thought this
Bane was really god awful though.
Scarecrow
My favorite versions of Talia are the ones where she is shown to be loyal to her father but also genuinely have feelings for Batman/Bruce. It gives her more character. And my least favorite versions, including the version that is the topic of your video, are the ones where she is depicted as being a little too loyal to her father or just plain evil. The latter example that I am referring to is the version of her that was shown in the DC animated movie universe. In Son of Batman, she was mostly fine but in Bad Blood she was a little too… and this is probably just my personal problem… she was a bit too generically evil.
Bane is an evil version of a Batman who shared his martial art skill and takes his armory. Talia is an evil version of Bruce Wayne who shares his business skills and takes his company.
@@petermj1098
Doesn’t change the fact she was bland in execution
@@Zekrel Her death scene was bad I agree.
Bruce thought Dagget was the evil Bruce Wayne working with Bane when it was Talia all along. Talia lost her parents to criminals as a child similar to Bruce lost her parents to a criminal a child. The difference Talia was born and raised in a place darkness while Bruce was not.
Talia thinks Bruce betrayed Ra’s as a son, and Bane thinks Batman betrayed Ra’s as a student. Talia and Bane were both jealous of Bruce/Batman. Talia was jealous as a child without her father and Bane was jealous as a student without his master.
@@petermj1098
You see? You just listed plenty of details about her character and Bane’s that made me care. However the movie had a great set up with what you listed but failed to deliver in the execution towards the end. Babe I personally feel was perfect. I know that a lot of fans think the twist ruined him but I think it added to his character. With Talia though… I can only appreciate her character if I try to piece together things that weren’t really mentioned in the movie. Also, we only got to see her be *Talia* towards the very end where she does not long after.
Nvm, I found it!
I don't even like these movies. Batman versus The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is much better.
Probably gonna kill me but the nolan trilogy is overrated
She was a amazing bad guy
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