Analyzing Evil: The League Of Shadows From Batman/The Dark Knight Trilogy
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- Hello everyone and welcome to the one hundred twenty-second episode of Analyzing Evil! Our topic for this video is The League of Shadows from Batman. I hope you enjoy, and thanks for watching. If you have any feedback or questions feel free to let me know below!
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Tom Hardy's performance as Bane gets often overlooked in the shadow of Heath Ledgers legendary portrayal of Joker. Hardy was excellent.
This is a guy I would watch read the phonebook....
Alfie Solomons is also an often overlooked character on top of the twin brothers from legend
He is a gem for sure
Indeed, Tom Hardy was the formidably best actor to bring Bane to life for The Dark Knight Rises.
One of the best and menacing villains
Hardy is my favorite villain of that trilogy.
Liam Neeson's performance as Ra's Al Ghul gets more overlooked. He's the most underrated villain in the genre.
People always say "Tom Hardy's bane Is fat lol" but if you look at any real life strongmen, or the UFC heavyweight division, you'd see that this bane is built for sheer strength and power
that's not my complaint on his Bane. My complaint is he sounds like Yoda on 2 packs a day.
@ TheVideo Commenter if you wanna see Yoda on more than two packs, look up Yoda Gets Drunk. It’s the one that’s about 16 years old.
People do not know what a strong physique looks like.
@@jahimuddin2306 They really don't. Strong men are built big and solid. Those dudes who are ripped are underfed and underweight, and fatigued.
@@sabir1208 exactly. I'm 6'4, 240 and while I don't have abs, I still out performed all my friends who helped work with me on my neighbors farm during the summer (a lot of them did have abs because we were on the wrestling team). While some of them definitely would have me beat on cardio, I wasn't the one taking breaks or asking for help carrying stuff. Granted with my size I'd be strong by default, but I stay active enough not to have more than 15-20 extra pounds of fat on me
Dagett: "I'm in charge here!"
Bane: "... Do you feel in charge?"
D: "I've paid you a small fortune."
B: "And this gives you power over me?"
God I love Hardy's Bane
Just the fact that Hardy gives basically his entire performance through only his eyes, I always thought was truly impressive.
Well, his full body language and tone of voice have to be taken into account
He's always been very good at acting with his eyes. A good example is his portrayal of Bill Sikes in the 2007 Oliver Twist TV series. His performance is brilliantly creepy.
When Roland is yelling about Bane not fulfilling his obligation & that Roland was in charge, Bane gets close to him, gently places the back of his hand upon Roland's shoulder & asks Roland, "Do you feel in charge?" is perhaps the coldest line by a villain in cinema.
@@kjetilhansen5363 Not "creepy". Terrifying with a demanding presence.
@@Angyali I was talking about the 2007 'Oliver Twist', not 'The Dark Kinight Rises.'
I just realized that Dr. Jonathan Crane, "The Scarecrow", is the only villain in every single movie of Nolan's Batman Trilogy.
Also in the arkham game saga
Man I wish Scarecrow got more respect in this movie. I absolutely love the offputting, "way too composed and elegant to not be doinga something fucked" demeanor Cillian Murphy brings to Crane.
@@jorts_master69 cillian Murphy is underrated.
@@jorts_master69 how about you lightin up?!
@@jorts_master69 Cillian Murphy is an amazing actor.
Bane "Do you feel in charge"
this makes Daggett so unsettled and distrubed its like he made a deal with the devil and he thinks he can control him but he ends dying
Can't buy loyalty after all
Then four years later, he gets choked by another masked man, lol.
My favorite line in the trilogy.
@@lapislazuli5035 Force choked by that other master of intimidation
*Fun fact:* The false name Ra's uses at the beginning of "Batman Begins" (Henri Ducard) is actually the name of a real DC character, detective Henri Ducard, one of Batman's many mentors. He mainly appeared in the 90's comic series centered in Batman, Robin and/or Catwoman
Yep, making the dude who trained Bruce to be a detective and the dude famous for calling Batman "Detective" the same dude. See M. Night? You CAN have a twist without insulting the audience`s intelligence!
@@aspiephilosophy8784 Some M.Night's twists were really dumb, like the ones of "Signs" and "The Happennkng", but the one of "The Village" isn't as bad as people say, even with the plot holes it causes. Anyway, the movie considers the love story much more important than the twist, which is a good thing
*Listen, all 3 characters have father issues which turned them into who they are...*
Ra’s never wanted Talia or Bane part of the League of Shadows. Like Ra’s said in the first film “a vigilante is just a man lost in the scramble for his own gratification. He can be destroyed”. Bane and Talia were lost trying to gratify their pain- which Ra’s foresaw.
Bruce made himself more than a man and made Batman into a “legend” instead of just a man like Ra’s said.
I love how Batman in TDK is the antithesis of League of Shadows. Trained by the same team, but chose the opposite principle
To be honest, I've always considered Ra's a menace too OP for Batman. Due to his immense wealth, power, subordinates, resources, and intellect, he is a villain on the same level as the enemies of the JLA. Interestingly, Ra's also fought Superman on a few occasions.
He’s talking about just the dark knight trilogy
True. Only thing really holding him back from crushing Gotham under his whole might is wanting Bruce to be his successor.
Considering all the attributes u just listed he’s basically Batman but with more subordinates and way way way more expensive and he knows and understands Batman’s mentality or psychology much better then Batman knows his so realistically there’s no way Batman should be able to beat him the same way there’s absolutely no way Superman should never be able to beat zod and his 2 fellow kryptonians since they all have the same powers and abilities that Superman has but again they have much more training and experience so for Superman to beat the 3 of them that’s like a regular reporter beating 3 navy seals or even just basic marines in a 3v1 it makes no sense
I meant to say more experience then Batman not expensive
@@shawnbbunbbbybbb3942 you just explained why it’s so incredible that good guys win. You have no idea how much you just made the victory of the heroes more enjoyable to me.
In the script for The Dark Knight Rises, there was a line that sadly didn't make it in where Bane says that hes avenging Ras and fulfilling his destiny out of gratitude for rescuing him from the pit.
He certainly does care about Talia, no denial there but I wouldn't say he's doing it just for her.
I agree with you. I never got the interpretation that he was only doing it for her. From the movie, I always got the sense that bane had many motivations.
Ras al Ghul means "head of the demon" so in the Nolanverse, it might well be a title. However, in the comics he is very much a long lived individual, who uses a magical pool to restore his health periodically and even come back from the brink of death.
The Demon's Head seems to be a title that The original Ra's took as a name then passed down as a title...
@@SodaSeezn yeah
Glad to see the league of shadows from the dark knight trilogy finally being covered. While the Joker played by Heath Ledger is the most talked about villain in the trilogy, Bane and Ra's were just as great thanks to the performances by Tom Hardy and Liam Neeson respectively, and their role in the trilogy trying to correct the corruption of Gotham through violence and extreme ideologies.
Well I wouldn't say, "just as great" their motives and characters were a lot simpler. Very well acted still
"Just as good" 😂
The problem with them is that the casting choices for those characters had become..."problematic"
Tom Hardy’s a great actor but he’s also a tiny British dude playing a large Latino man. The dark knight rises is one of Nolan’s worst movies imo
@@dwoodstwin всё никак не успокоишься насчет Харди. Он тебе на ногу наступил???
I really like this quote from Ras al Ghul from Batman Begins (on the ice lake):
...that impossible anger strangling the grief until the memory of your loved one is just poison in your veins. And one day, you catch yourself wishing the person you loved had never existed, so you'd be spared your pain."
I think that it goes towards revealing the fact that all vigilante types, for all of their posturing, are really only working from a deep-seated guilt and resultant self-loathing.
Liam Neeson is so damn good in Batman Begins. I love his Portrayal of Ra’s al Ghul. Begins is such a nostalgic and classic movie to me lol I used to watch It on my PS2 all the time back in the day. Good movie, Great way to start the trilogy.
Easily the villain with the best dialogue ever... Even Thanos doesn't hold up to him when it comes to speaking
@@SodaSeezn Bane had some great lines too
'Evil Qui-Jon Jinn' can be very charismatic and compelling even if his methods are brutal.
Since you've frequently come back to the villains of the Dark Knight series it would be interesting to hear your thoughts on Two-face; perhaps the most complicated character in the Rogues Gallery, in terms of how far you could actually call him or them evil
Add Mr. Freeze to that list. His evil is a born out of tragedy and he usually goes after those worse than him.
@@straburyred Mr Freeze is not part of Nolan the dark knight series
i always viewed bane and talia's relationship as a brother sister one. bane is a mastermind in the plan as much as talia is
Yeah, it never fully made sense to me that some people give all of the tactical credit to Talia when none of that was ever specified. Especially considering that the League in TDK Rises doesn’t even resemble what they were in Begins. Instead of ninjas, they’re militarized mercenaries, which the film tells us that Bane led his own mercenary group after his excommunication. So the League as we saw in TDK Rises were mostly made up of Bane’s mercenaries and it stands to reason that Bane was as much of a mastermind as Talia was in their plan.
@@windowsVD It's because in the acting out of the plan Bane does indeed act like the muscle which makes people who dont watch deeper into it think he's just strong man muscles go muscle....
@@shxmana But even from that standpoint, the film visibly shows is that he’s not just muscle though. From what we see, he’s actually the one personally carrying out and leading every single operation. That’s so much more responsibility than just being a glorified grunt. The only thing that we actually see Talia do is undercover and manipulation. It’s odd that some people give her all of the strategic credit and act like Bane is just the guy that punches things.
@@windowsVD Thats kind of what I tried to say, He's obviously the leading figure in all of it and you're right. All I said is that his role in everything they're doing is kinda being the muscle that pushes and leads things forward if you know what I mean like actively going out there and doing stuff instead of sitting behind the scenes
@@windowsVDif you look closely before Bane invades the Gotham stock exchange you see a woman from the back walk into the stock exchange room (when the two guys are getting their shoes shined) then when Bane gets into the stock exchange and take control he circles the room and head nods to someone you don’t see. It was obviously Talia who he is head nodding too.
What makes villains like Raz, Bane and Joker so good is that there is a grain of truth in what they believe and you can see how the average person gets sucked into such beliefs.
An interesting film to study would be ‘Pulp Fiction.’ Virtually every main character in this story is a criminal, and it provides us with a highly nuanced showcase of Evil that, like the League of Shadows, has some colonels of righteousness to it.
kernels
Always loved how different these three were from each other.
Damn, with the complicated father-in-law-son-in-law relationship Batman shares with Ra's, I don't even want to imagine what their political discussions during Christmas dinners must be like...
Ra's tells him each side is wrong and deserves to hung and Batman just says it's not that deep and he's off his meds.
Damian just texts his friends trying not to chime into how this is dumb.
Lot of bloodshed id imagine
Christmas? I imagine what their Festivus celebrations must be like with the holiday traditions of Feats of Strength and Airing of Grievances.
And I imagine either version of Talia al Ghul shaking her head while the turkey is getting cold LOL
Ra's Al Ghul is my second favourite Batman villain behind the Joker. Love his iteration in the Arkham games. Talia is also 1000 times better in the game/animation then the Nolan movie. I've always viewed Ra's as Batmans counterpart but one without a moral code. The ends truly do justify the means with Ra's. Fantastic villain that you can even get behind ideologically
The Bane section of the video is INSANELY good, like just absolutely excellent execution on that
Liam had some bomb quotes in Batman Begins.
Tom Hardy's Bane is a top 3 comic book villain, thank you for this 🙏
Looking at the footage again I think another interpretation for Bane's mask is that it looks like the mouth of a spider which seems fitting as someone who was "born" deep down inside a pit, and weaved a vast web of subterfuge in order to trap and poison (on a spiritual level) an entire city
I am happy to see an episode focused specifically on this iteration of the League. Personally, I've always had a soft spot for "Batman Begins", as it was the first Batman film in my experience to add depth both to Bruce and the literal world he inhabits (especially since it takes him out of Gotham, making the film feel more real than previous ones). On top of that, in relation to this video, I liked the League of Shadows and their use in a Batman films, since this was during the War on Terror, facing a faceless enemy who could be anyone, and pop up in a crowded city and inflict significant carnage, much like the League infiltrating Gotham's infrastructure and ready to destroy the city from within. The League members' willingness to die in the name of their cause was also, of course, reminiscent of the real-world suicide attacks by Al Qaeda.
That said, I was significantly disappointed with their portrayal in the third film as, outside of Bane and Talia, the members came off as bland mercenaries, in contrast to the disciplined ninjas in the first film.
Still hankering for a Biff Tannon breakdown from back to the future. Seeing him change between timelines would be great fodder.
Given his current popularity, I'd love to see a video on Death from Puss in Boots 2, or all the villains from the movie, as they were all great for separate reasons
He's a being who hates those that waste their lives, seeing themselves as immortal and unable to die. And he also loves it when those people run in fear when they realize how badly they've messed up.
...He also enjoys it a little too much, emphasized on how he curses at himself for "playing with his food" at the end of the movie, because that playing around and letting Puss get away is what gave him the opportunity to grow and cherish his life.
Jack Horner is also an incredible villain to analyze on here, arguably more so than Death
analyze all three villains in that movie
He's not evil though.
They destroyed all these civilization without actually ever building themselves a better one. One they imagined so much. Says a lot about them.
if you cannot create a thing without flaw, you may aswell create space for a new thing that is yet to assemble such flaw.
however, you know, unending suffering and stuff
Bane and Thalia are like a split Ra's Al Ghul after his death. Thalia is the mind and Bane is the body. The physical body, with his physical strength, just obey the wishes and commands of the mind and commit them without questioning, only using the rationing of its commander. And the mind, live tormented and directed by the past, molded by it, by its horrific experiences, the death of Ra's and the life in the hellish pit, desperately grasping at the only vestige of sanity and that mockery of a purpose, the desire of vengeance.
That's a really good and neat way to look at it
Another excellent video for the villains in Batman lore and the Dark Knight trilogy. I do love the concept of the warped morality of the League of Shadows, in their mind they are truly doing the greatest good at the greatest costs, and how that ideology has inspired the Batman.
"I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you."
-Batman
I’d love to see you cover Chris McLean from the Total Drama series
"If they're evil, I'll get to them eventually." Words to live by.
I'm assuming you'll cover Harvey Dent next, right? I find his fall from grace in The Dark Knight one of the most compelling parts of that film.
Penguin, Catwoman & Max Shrek from Batman Returns (1992) can be a good idea
Batman fighting and beating both Thomas Shelby and Alfie proves how strong he is
You merely adopted the dark, I was born in it; melded by it..
The most interesting thing to me is Nolan’s use of Tale of Two Cities as inspiration. Bane and his actions here are portrayed as an allegory of the French Revolution. Bane is Robespierre and the League perpetrate a Reign of Terror like the Jacobins. They attacks the Gotham Stock Exchange, where greed and corruption financially enslave the common worker, an allegory of the Occupy Wall Street movement that was still fresh in people’s minds when the film released. Releasing the prisoners and freeing the downtrodden (whether they were truly criminals or not) is like the storming of the Bastille. Ultimately Nolan portrays the terrors that can come with Revolution, a cause for change and to change the system leading to another tyranny. Though in the DKR the Revolution was a smokescreen for the League’s real agenda. The French Revolution was a real movement that shook a continent and struck fear into the elites and rulers. My take away is that Gotham deserves baptism by fire, there is so much corruption and even the victory of the Dark Knight was a corrupt scheme that weighed on the consciousness of Gordon. The League created a revolt for their own sinister means, but the corruption and inequality persisted. Batman’s peace was a false one, criminals aren’t only street gangs, thugs, and organized crime. Batman didn’t fight the white collar criminals and elitists that sustain the elements that lead poverty to criminality. The source remained
Not to forget that Oscar worthy death scene by Talia at the end. Chilling.😏
Turning a request into a much larger video is quite a nice choice, always good content
Tom Hardy made a perfect Bane. He just couldn't top Heath Ledgers performance as The Joker.
Они по разному хороши оба. Но мне Харди нравится больше ❤❤❤
Loved the vid! Can next be the gang from Reservoir Dogs?
You choose the best music for your videos, Vile Eye. This is no exception. Also, your grim narration is perfect for describing just how evil these characters can get.
First pinned comment from Vile Eye! It only took 2 years lol! By the way, Vile Eye, do you plan on covering more Disney villains? Your videos on Frollo and Scar were great. I’d love to see you tackle Jafar or Ursula in the future.
Another great analysis. I understand why Joker is considered the definitive villain of Batman, but Ra's has always been my favorite Batman villain.
Ra's and Joker are the Two best Batman Villains. Ra's is the perfect Counterpart to Batman
Another classic from Vile Eye. This man always puts out banger videos.
Could you do a video on Sheriff Teasle in Rambo First Blood
Bane from the comic, will be hard to do. He is driven by a heady mix of narcissism, trauma, and fear.
IMO the best Ra's al Ghul performance was by Alexander Siddig in Gotham TV series.
Once again a great episode! I would love to see you talk about Mickey and Malory Knox from Natural Born Killers
How about a video on Shane Walsh from the walking dead
It’s a good day when Vile Eye uploads :)
I’m not sure if ur gonna see this comment, but in one of ur future videos, could you please explore the evil behind the villains of the Daredevil Netflix show (ex. Kingpin, Bullseye, and Elektra)?
The Punisher would also be really interesting even though he’s not entirely a villain
Can you please do one on Eobard Thawne aka the Reverse Flash? He's an incredibly evil and twisted character. Really hope you see this man 🤞.
Vic Mackey from The Shield would be a great idea for a video
Absolutely incredible! Thank you for this great video!
Hey Vile Eye,
Here is a overlooked antagonist to possibly cover from probably a forgotten 90s film called Internal Affairs
Dennis Peck played by Richard Gere
A good group video to do is the cast of characters from Quinten Tarantino’s The Hateful Eight.
Another group of characters to do would be Mickey Knox and Mallory Knox from Natural Born Killers
I like these kinds of videos where you cover multiple characters who’s evil roots from the same place like your videos on The Batman and The Last of Us. Next video like this should be on Rapture from Bioshock ,everything that made it so rotten, and the key players in its rise and fall besides Andrew Ryan.
I absolutely love this channel... Thanks for covering this
I would love to see you do, Savathun the Witch Queen, Emperor Calus or even the Witness from the Destiny series.
Savathun is in my opinion one of the greatest villains of all time. Incredibly accomplished, charismatic, complicated, and such a long history. But of course there are plenty of villains to look at in Destiny.
Once again I stand before you and ask for analyzing evil - "Harry Powell" from Night Of The Hunter (1955) played by Robert Mitchum.
Could you cover the aunt from Prisoners?
Love the vids, would love if you did an episode on Mads Mikkelsen's Hannibal Lecter
Thanks man. Love your channel
I love your videos! I would love to see an Analyzing Evil for Alfred Borden and Robert Angier from The Prestige.
I love your videos they provide a whole new level of insight I never could imagine. With that being said one thing I've always thought about in The dark Knight series has that scene where all the bats are flying around Bruce when he first finds the batcave and does he know in reality that he would be slipping and sliding all over that place because that place to be caked and all that guano with all those bats in there. Like seriously both him and Alfred will be pressure washing for weeks in there.
Been looking forward to this video ever since you announced it on patreon you broke my expectations thank you. I got a suggestion for a video Wilfred from Snowpiercer is one of my favorite villains and I think he'll be a great one to do.
Dark Knight GOAT
I totally understand why you might not want to do this but I would personally love you to do a multi character covering for Gendo, Seele, and the angels for Neon Genesis. You could prob remove gendo or seele to just talk about the angels but I generally love the dynamics of the forces in the show and I think you have a great grasp of the philosophical influences of the shows story. Love the vids and stay blessed!
amazing analysis as always! I love this trilogy so much.
At last!!
BTW this analysis is so spot on I don't think something needs to be added.
One of my favorite episodes
It's interesting that The Shadow was the inspiration for Batman, and how Batman Begins is kinda like The Shadow movie.
Vile Eye, very nice analysis as always! For next episode i highly recommend Vaas Montenegro, Pagan Min or Joseph Seed from Far Cry series, there is alot to talk about each one of them
Nice pick choosing the league of shadows.
Thank you, Vile Eye for blessing my day with another video, I look forward to watching this!
For any future video recommendations, my top pick is Judge Doom from "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?".
I'm still waiting for Lady Lucille Sharpe from "Crimson Peak."
Paulie “Walnuts” Gualtieri
Thanks for all of this amazing content! Do All For One next!
It’s crazy that I love your channel and literally just finished watching all three of the movies this is perfect lol
I’d love to see you do Negan from The Walking dead and Joe Goldberg from You
Amazing Analysis
Great Talk on Real Comparison and Lesson
Thank You
Great analysis per usual. The characters and themes from Sin City would be interesting.
Marv VS Bane, that's a Death Battle I'd like to see LOL.
Awesome vid as always. Loved your videos on AM and Judge Holden. If you are gonna cover more literature focused villains, I’d love to see you cover Nyarlathotep or Azathoth from the H.P. Lovecraft’s work.
This episode has been a long time coming, glad to see it
As far as I remember Ras Al Ghul in the Nolanverse is a title. Ra’s is immortal because there is always a Ras. Liam Neeson’s name Henri Ducard
I've always wondered what would happen if the League of Shadows ran into the Joker: Would they try to kill him, ignore him , make an alliance with him, or would they try to recruit him after possibly trying to brainwash him?
I'd say "Ignore him" is the least likely, but that's essentially what happened in series.
Suggestion, have you ever thought of analyzing an evil character who turns good/hero in the end and their journey? Like for example Michael from The Good Place?
Can you do characters from Criminal Minds?
Such as:
The Reaper.
Jackson Cally.
Carl Buford.
Frank Blietkof.
This was a very early request and I'm glad that you covered it VE.
This is wild and awesome. Thanks.
Even though Bane's death in Nolan's trilogy was pretty stupid, I think we can all agree that he was FAR superior to the brainless muscle man of Batman and Robin. I mean, why does that movie and so many other productions treat Bane as a idiot instead of the manipulative mind that tore Batman apart with his strategies?
Agreed Bane has trained his mind to peak or near peak perfection
Joker killed Rachel and Selina kills Bane. His love interest was killed by the villain now he new love interest kills his new villain.
Probably because they can't show the Knightfall arc in a film or episode. It's just too long. Would be happy to be proven wrong by an animated Knightfall film, perhaps split into 2 parts like The Long Halloween. The Nolan version definitely comes the closest though- a gimp-masked monstrosity who speaks like a well-read warrior poet.
Great video!
A recommendation on a video(s) would be the main antagonists of each seasons of the Fargo tv series
- Lorne Malvo
- Hanzee Dent
- V.M. Varga
- maybe Josto Faddda? Or the Fadda Organization as a whole
Yes, Ledgers joker was phenomenal, but I reckon Neeson as Ra’s Al Ghul and Hardy as Bane were JUST as amazing and menacing
Analyzing Evil: Jesse James from The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
"If they're evil, I'll get to them eventually" what a raw fucking line
Awesome topic. The Dark Knight Rises kind of felt like a movie was missing between it and The Dark Knight
The end DOES NOT justify the means! No matter how noble the “end” may be. That’s the EXACT reason why Batman doesn’t kill.
The end can never justify the means because the means are what inform and shape the end.
Lol and that's why Batmans rogues gallery will keep taking lives indefinitely.
@@ranfan1820 no argument here lol
interesting analysis of talia and bane's relationship
Amazing break down as always
I love how you actually go into detail of the characters unlike most people who call themselves doing a review. Thanks
Amazing video as always, we need that Sauron video
As a recommendation, you should make a video about Silco and Jinx from Arcane