Surface Laptop 7 Week 1! What Works? What's Broken?
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- TEAM SGG PATREON / somegadgetguy Reviewing the new Surface Laptop! A quick follow up, A LOT of this is working great!
It's almost like we totally could have predicted this over the last year of Windows on ARM!
Basically, the experience has improved to the point, where I don't think many people will know that anything is different. Some of the core issues will obviously arrive from BETA software and X86 drivers, but what does that actually look like now? Well, it looks pretty darn good.
After my first impressions, here are some quick follow up thoughts on networking, storage and accessories, audio gear, and a fun little skit about gamer bros.
I'm sure there's nothing in this that might be deemed controversial.
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0:00 Thank you Patrons!
0:17 Surface Laptop 7 Pen Support
0:50 Windows on ARM networking
1:28 Storage Transfer Speeds
1:58 Surface Laptop 7 Video and Monitor Support
3:07 Surface Laptop 7 Audio Devices
4:25 Davinci Resolve Stability
4:56 ARM apps and X86 Emulation
5:28 Windows Store is TRASH
5:49 LOCKED BOOTLOADER!
6:41 A Rant on Benchmarks and Gaming
13:35 What do I test next?
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What a time to be a consumer ! Qualcomm, Apple, Intel and AMD are all actually trying their bests to compete with each other.
I've been trying to tell people. The ONLY thing that makes tech better is EMBRACING good competition.
@@SomeGadgetGuy exactly I don't know why consumers Fanboy over products when these companies could care less about us
💯
They care about our wallets... That's it...
@@sydguitar99real I could care less about the company I just buy whatever I feel is the best product for me 😂
Nah apple has no competiton, the rest are fighting over the leftover.
Dont even start arguing unless you re a cs archticture major
The Prius bit was priceless 😂
I had fun with the sound effects there 😁
😂😂 agreed
LTT type energy
I'm glad you highlighted these key points, because for now it seems that no one has done it yet. Video games are only a small part of the equation and it seems that everyone is using this argument to demolish this new player. There are a lot of positives that are taking a back seat, just for that reason.
Like, who wouldn't want Core i9 performance in a system that can be charged from a phone charger?
Got the Surface Laptop 7 as well with 32gb of ram and I am loving it! Even using the Recommended power profile for daily tasks, this laptop is incredibly snappy. If I want to boost up the performance I just change the profile as needed.
I agree -- WIndows Store is pretty garbage, I thought I had a bad store version installed or something, it is running that badly.
I also need a better dock. I was eyeing the Surface Thunderbolt 4 dock but not sure how much I want to spend on a dock after an expensive laptop.
Yeah, it's a nice dock, but I need a LOT more IO. I'm waiting until I can find a good option that support 2.5Gbps ethernet.
Can it run Sketchup pro and how is it? tanks...
@@SomeGadgetGuy To be fair, the Surface Thunderbolt 4 Dock does support 2.5G ethernet, but I'm not sure about how many displays it will output given the Thunderbolt limitations on non-Thunderbolt-enabled hosts.
Hey man, can you please tell us if the basic windows app from MS store like To Do and Onenote run? I know basic question but please could you try it 🙏🙏
Also how is the Premier Pro performance if you've tried any, since Adobe just made those apps launchable which they werent before.
Are the oold surface docks compatible with the new ARM laptops? Monitor support etc
Thx for the video and your on point observations. And the Prius skit was hilarious.
Hello,
yoga Slim 7X X Elite 32GB vs M2 Pro 16GB
Iam currently deciding which machine to get but aim kinda unsure. Iam a cs student and software developer and the machine should def be powerful enough for my workload. What would you think?
Ty
Hi 👋 buddy. Can you please tell me if the Suface 7 supports 3 external monitors through 1 usb c port? Like using triple 4k dock station, connect 3 4k monitors to it and then connect it to the laptop? Or it still supports just 2 4k monitors? What Displayport the M2/M3 Max have that they support 3 6k monitors over their Thunderbolt 4? Thank you 🙏
Hi Juan - my Lenovo 8Cx ARM laptop supports 3 monitors - 2 external via a laptop dock (Dell USB-C) and the internal display. I was astonished it did this!
Whoa! That's the only one I've heard of doing that! My R&K and the Surface 9 could not.
Thanks for making me feel not crazy, I don't currently have my desk set up to dock my x13s but I was SO sure that it supported double display out over USB c using a dock
What's funny is that I looked at the games I would actually play, and only two aren't also on my switch or don't have a native arm version. Both of which I can stream to my laptop with steam link while at home if I want to play in bed or on the couch, and I already had xbox ultimate so why would I destroy my battery installing those games when I can stream them too? A flight? The anemic gaming support isn't even a real issue for me and I play games all the time.
I think it's been blown way out of proportion, especially as it would have been similar for ANY PC that just had an iGPU.
Had a good laugh at the toyota section. Sadly just like user benchmark _some_ of those gamer folks are likely not gonna get it/intentionally ignore it. Still glad you say it out loud. Good work!
Genius review and I’m a Mac user. I NEVER game on my laptop so I’m sick of all these YT reviewers always brining up gaming. I do productivity and some video editing. I want a fast, quiet, light, and never heating up laptop.
It's the most exciting part of this competition. Now with Qualcomm out and mediatek coming, I would expect apple to answer with m4 as a more interesting chip than m3.
That's how all our stuff gets better.
I definitely agree about the towing a boat thing. People don't seem to consider suitability to task anymore.
Like, in not sure how Qualcomm could have been clearer LOL.
Have a good rest afterwards!
I'm glad you mentioned Audacity. Thats what I use for audio recording.
Hey man! I have a surface laptop 7, 15 inch version with X Elite. I just had a bug where it wouldnt charge with the surface connector. I had to restart it to get it to charge.
Also, when you increase / decrease brightness is it kind of flickery? curious to know! Thanks!
I dont see anything flickery, but I'm honestly not the guy to ask. I've never really been able to "see" pwm problems like some of my friend can.
Any updates on Resolve performance? Do VSTs work in Fairlight?
Can it run Sketchup pro and how is it? tanks...
I am looking forwad to dedicated high GPU core count SoC from Qualcomm now like the AMD Z series APU.
I'll be curious to see if folks can get eGPUs working soon...
I got this labtop and let me tell ya its very amazing i love it its a pretty good device i love the touch screen feature the speed is great the battery is amazing…THE KEYBOARD AND THE HAPTIC TOUCH PAD ARE SUPER NICE…. TRY IT GUYS AND YA WONT REGRET GETTIN THIS BEAUTIFUL DEVICE!
That track pad is just chefs kiss.
Hey, thank you for this rewiew. But no one talks about printer or scanner. Do they work with Arm CPUs? Where do i get driver?
Yes if you're using most network settings. The more complicated the driver/support software, the more likely it won't work. The printer manufacturer needs to make more universal support happen. That's not a Windows on ARM problem.
I have not seent he full video yet but is it possible to test the Affinity suite softwares?
I show a bit of it on screen, but like the last performance video I did on last gen Windows on ARM, it's running really well.
Does Capcut already have a native arm app (I don't use it, but it would be nice to see any video editing)? I'm sure I saw that in the slide. I'd love to see the performance in handbrake and the file size compared to amd and intel, all with hardware acceleration. I do think that pricing is an issue. As nice as some of these devices are, Windows on Arm won't work without the software that supports them.
Yeah Capcut is x86 and ARM compatible.
Honestly, my Steam Deck has completely changed my perspective on what I want for gaming on PC, and it’s not to have the most beefed out system. It’s to have one that allows me to game in a comfortable manner, with finding the sweet spot for power. I also really love tablets and so I’m keeping an eye on the Surface Pro 11 (as well as the Minisforum V3), but the idea that this might push AMD and Intel to deliver better performance with lower power draw is an amazing thing. A Steam Deck 2 that can play AAA games at low settings and get more than 2 hours of battery life would be awesome to have.
🎯 As always, Juan is right on point!
Finally someone who knows how to properly review rather than nag on about the use case IT ISNT EVEN BUILT FOR
About the external monitors, I thiink Apple’s Pro and Max chips support more than 1 external monitor… But the Surface Laptop 7 supports 7 without DisplayLink? As an Apple user, this is pulling me more and more towards the Surface Laptop 7 or the Yoga version from Lenovo.
Apparently the M3 supports it but only in clam shell mode, so not sure if that really counts or not.
"I'm sorry. I can't let you do that, Dave...."
Great fan service on the decal 😅 👍
I wanted people to know how I felt about all the AI stuff 😁
Besides gaming being complete crap on my new Surface (which it is), there's a lot of basic functionality that just does not work. There is no current VPN that works on ARM64! NONE at all. Also, my Canon printer does not work as a network printer or via USB. There is no drivers and the generic drivers do not work. These are things you would normally use in an office environment. They need to fix this.
Except for surfshark, which I showed in this video. Seems to be working great for me, so Imagine other VPNs will probably work too. Including something like WireGuard as a stopgap, which I had to do on my Robo&Kala.
My Brother printer/scanner synced right up to print on our network. I wouldn't be surprised if Canon is the issue there.
Hi Juan, i wanted to ask if you can give us a deeper review on the keyboard, battery in light use (netflix, office applications, youtube, web browsing...), and on the trackpad most importantly if it compares with the MacBook's trackpad. This would be highly beneficially to plenty of people that are thinking of getting a macbook like myself.
I'm the wrong guy to ask there. I HATE that MacBooks require a trackpad click. I greatly prefer light tap for selection on windows.
That said, the haptics are awesome. It's maybe the best windows trackpad I've yet used.
Even the original Surface Pro X could support dual 4k 60Hz displays through a single USB-C using DisplayPort 1.4 with MST. Or using the Surface Dock which has dual mini-displayport outputs. 3 in total using the internal display. I tested using a pair of LG 32UL950 monitors that had daisy chain capability.
And the new one is 3 external plus the internal for 4 in total?
Great review. I've been playing with Davinci and my Surface Pro on SD X Plus, I find generating Optimized Media helps a lot (Cntrl + A, then right click on media >> Optimized Media). Navigating the timeline, editing, cutting etc gets really fast. The only caveat I see is it takes a lot of storage space. Keep that in mind.
I like testing on native files to keep everything consistent, but I really should try using optomized and transcoding.
Is this the year Juan moves to behringer? Simply because it's too expensive for them to not use standard drivers??
LOL Yeah... No...
All of us audio nerds have a "behringer" phase we grow out of...
Mahalo, JuanBagnell, for checking on Linux booting for us!!!! That was the most interesting possibility these new Snapdragons could hold out to us. It sounds as though we'll have to wait for smaller companies to develop PROPER Linux-oriented UEFI/BIOS. The German Linux hardware company, Tuxedo, seems to be out front on that score.
I'll still be watching any further reports you make on these intriguing machines! Aloha!
Love the video! I am most interested in larger (16in +) ARM laptops, mini desktops or even maybe high performance/efficiency NAS solutions to stream local content. Now my questions are on the side of legacy Microsoft software, specifically single licence purchases of Office for example. Microsoft has not been very interested in selling these kind of licences anymore, and now we might never get an ARM optimised offline office install and at worst, blocking pf legacy software. Is that something that worries you?
We'll have to see if this hardware takes off enough for businesses to demand licensing and solutions like that.
Can you install Linux on these?
Just some additional context, m3 supports 2 external displays when you close the laptop lid. You are right about no triple display support on the M1, M2 and M3 chips. To be fair though, you can use display link docks to connect more external displays but that route has its own flaws.
Yeah that's what I thought. It's ONLY ever dual display.
I've played with a few "software enabled" triple monitor solutions, and they just work OK...
Have you tried Davinci resolve through emulation?
I havent. I should...
Thanks for checking the bootloader. They should open up .
It's been frustrating to have other reviewers get stuck up on gaming when this is a productivity device.
Kinda missing the Forrest for the trees you know? Especially with Qualcomm being so clear about this NOT being a gaming part.
Excellent video. I really enjoyed it and how you touched upon niche use cases like the audio adapters and testing the different dongles to see if they work.
It's clear that you believe in the ARM platform and are willing to live with its shortcomings for now. I think the biggest Achilles' heel with this platform is driver support in general.
If Microsoft can't provide at least a built-in generic driver for whatever peripheral you use that lacks a native ARM driver, you are SOL.
At the end of the day, it comes down to your personal computing needs and priorities and I, for one, am hoping this platform succeeds, but will be sticking to Intel/ARM for now since I feel it makes more sense for me to get a PC that does 100% of what I need as opposed to 90% (i.e., lack of games support and lack of support for niche things like flashing Android phones).
That's the main frustration for sure. But I'm less inclined to blame ARM and Microsoft these days. From Chromebooks to the last year of really good WoA machines, I'm tired of companies making proprietary drivers and then being so slow to update them for major os updates and new hardware.
with my M2 pro for me it is working with two extra monitor and with the built in its make 3 :)
Yeah that's what I thought. The "expanded" die size M chips support triple display, but not the base M2.
I didn't know the Surface Laptop was taking away Surface Pen support, but then again, I didn't know the Surface Laptop even had it to begin with (Microsoft has always been predisposed towards touch-screen laptops, but that's not really a universal thing, just look at Apple or Dell). I've always assumed the Pen was an accessor for the Surface PRO...that happened to work with some other devices. And it's a nice (expensive) pen, so I'd hope so. They're still being sold as an option for Surface Pro 9, for example. Anyway, as someone who doesn't really plan to get a Surface Laptop (when I need a new one, I'll probably just pick up another loud fan-equipped Intel-powered Surface Pro--side note, the Windows Store is pretty much flawless on those for the last couple of years after moving off Windows 10, heh). I can see the concern with the BIOS being locked down (it wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft thought they could dodge this issue given how many other OEM and laptop manufacturers lockdown their BIOS across models anyway). Very informative, thank you.
Does WOA still have a subsystem for android? Does google play beta still run on this device?
No, sadly it's there but it won't open. :(
Cool video. Just to let you know my Arm based surface pro 9 5g totally supports 2 x 4k60 monitors. I use it that way every day
With the built in screen on too?
thank you for bringing up the focus rite driver issues, hopefully the woa devuces will work for audio production next gen 😔
Hoping it's sooner than that LOL. But companies like focusrite need to hear the issues.
My screen has horrible color distortion if I turn the brightness above 30%. Very weird. I'll be swapping it out for a new one.
Ugh sorry to hear that. Get it replaced for sure.
Good video! I'm not worried about gaming due to the reasons you mentioned and it being ARM architecture in general.
However, the other issues are concerning. Most work apps, wireless mouses, external monitors, and printers are not working = Waist of money!!! I'm better off staying with an Intel laptop.
Thanks for calling out the gaming non-sense. I'm sick of hearing this talking point, because not everyone games on laptops (me). I'm similar to you in that I need good battery life and performance when needed on battery. These X Elite chips are compelling, though I'm trying to wait to see what Lunar Lake offers. I'm really loving the SL7 design.
We know we're going to see improvements, it HAS been getting better since 12th gen. Unfortunately, it seems Lunar Lake will be delayed until end of the year.
We are in the exact same boat! It's so tempting to go for a snapdragon Elite but I will wait for another 3 months and then decide :D
I want to utilise all power of the machine that I bought, so I WILL game on it. And Apple's "game porting toolkit" proves that it is possible on Arm chips, it's just bad Prism performance what holding us back. These machines are good, but I will wait for x86 emulation improvements
There is a large bit of it stems from 1) who a lot of companies sent review units to and 2) the claims Qualcomm was making initially about the performance of these chips. Both set this thing up for a rough ride
I got the yoga 7x the other day and did my own benchmarks on it. Outside of driver issues, I was genuinely surprised by it in the gaming arena. I just think that people, most being more windows focused and not as Mac focused, aren’t used to the way ARM behaves. Every game I threw at it was about what I thought. And for a workhorse, it played enough.
I think the prism layer would do great to emulate dx8 and 9. If that happened a lot of gamers desperate for ways to play classic games would devour these systems.
@@Just_Areki after buying the Yoga, the potential is there. Some things run phenomenal and some don’t at all. Or they do completely broken. The driver support is all over the place.
What works... most of it, what's broken? My heart
I know everything is still new, but how does this run on Chrome OS flex? Qualcomm has a tendency to not support their chips for too long, so I'm just thinking of longevity. I know Microsoft will probably support this for at minimum 7 years
See section on trying to boot Linux.
Is upcoming strix point from and gonna compete with apple/snapdragon x elite as well? 😮
My guess is Strix Point will leapfrog the performance of X Elite, but what we DONT know yet is if CPU performance will stay stable on battery. If we have to plug it in to get the full performance of their BIG/little chip design, then X Elite might be better on battery.
I would also expect the AMD iGPU to crush Qualcomm's adreno at full load. I don't think it'll be that close.
@@SomeGadgetGuy thanks! Looks like I might need to wait for a few more months before buying a new laptop 😭
Not too much longer if you're looking at AMD. Seems Intel wont be out for months though.
look at one of these at bestbuy and though it was absolutely beautiful. love the haptic track pad, love the look of the device. Wish the screen was OLED, but when I go on reddit, its a mixed back with what people seem to be getting with battery life. I want a laptop that gets me over ten hours a day battery life with my workflow, and I know 100% I can get this with a macbook but really would like to stick with microsoft. I am really hoping that they make a few firmware updates on this device to get it where it needs to be. Can overlook the screen in comparison to a macbook if everything else comes through with its promise. Love your reviews man, thanks for what you do!
It's nice to have actual competition for this kind of portable.
I've been really happy with my SL7 so far. I came from a Surface Book 2 and the power efficiency alone is worth it to me. I like to tinker with a few things here or there, and WSL is just about all I need. Just hope more app developers will get on board and build ARM-native versions of their applications for even better efficiency and support.
What programming apps work and what don’t? Is the unplugged perf still good with containers?
Good to know WSL works. I know VS code, Power BI, Github, and Adobe Lightroom works too. All Jetbrains IDEs currently don't work. Hopefully, VS Community IDE works.
i have the surface laptop 7 and everything he said about davinci resolve was on point it lags/it freezes and there is no premiere pro and the power charger is less than 45w with no usb a port on it 😠microsoft come on now
Off topic, but I think that dedicated gpus need to control their power draw and heat production much better as well
It's a DoA for me to not be able to install or run any other OS like Linux!!. Making it a closed "Ecosystem" destroys one of the key value propositions of using the PC Ecosystem.
Why don't ASIO drivers work 😥
I don't think it's about "ARM" vs "X86". To calculate something using transistors of the same size, you need the same amount of energy. The advantage right now, is the Qualcomm chips have better power management, and thankfully the competition of a decent 3rd player, is getting Intel and AMD's butt in gear (see LunarLake for example). TDLR: Yes the X Elite has better total system power, but it's not because of ARM imo
The Surface Thunderbolt 4 Dock works pretty well with Intel Surface Laptop 5, it doesn't use the connect port and doesn't overheat the laptop.
It's one I'm eyeing for sure. I REALLY want one with more I/O and an m.2 slot. Might hold out a little longer to see if another brand does that.
Qualcomm supports Linux, it's up to the manufacturer of these laptops to support it.
Yes, but I informed Linux drivers for arm are not fully there yet. Again, you are right and it is good Qualcomm has taken this path, check out the Tuxedo Prototype.
This is an improvement over my 11th gen yoga 9i 2 in 1.
I’ll take it. I get 9-10 hrs but with some compromise and a hot at times loud laptop even with simple task. For my use case I definitely think I can get much better battery life. And that gpu is better than my current iris xe.
It's really a great upgrade for folks who have been using older i5's and i7's. Especially if you're really trying to use it more on the go.
per you request requesting info on if Apple M series ARM chips support multiple external displays simultaneously. Yes, the Apple M2 Pro and M3 Pro chips support two external displays simultaneously. Both the M2 Pro and M3 Pro chip designs are a "single die" chip and not like the conjoined double die chip designed used on the MAX chips.
Right. That's why i said larger and dual die. I was including the expanded CPU/GPU core configurations alongside the dual die configs.
At present the base model M series dont support triple correct?
@@SomeGadgetGuy Correct.
While it's super exciting to see what qualcomm did. It's still muted by the much better iGPU performance of current AMD systems (and future ones probably too). It probably just needs a 25% more graphical power to be able to use on drawing screens, light editing stuff - things for people that really create and not do office stuff.
It's the same with intels iGPUs, they are just bad, even the current ones. AMD's older 780M rocks and did totally replace my dGPU. But less than that performance, it's just not possible. I really hope qualcomm pushes also in that direction. A cooler, quieter system with a sufficient power. It doesn't need to battle a 4060 or something, just a bit more than now, because to be honest with the current performance, I can't do large design files, big art files and on screen drawings in vector. It's just not powerful enough.
Also the compatibility still needs to be improved, there are certain apps that just won't run but requiered either by clients or by my company. Does microsoft has some program to report missing support for things, like valve had? I don't think so. I really hope microsoft isn't microsoft this time and pushes more than "one time" and builds a larger support range over time.
That's totally fair. Muted is a great word. Of course I would love to have a MONSTER GPU in decently portable PC, but the fact that Qualcomm is at least outpacing Vega, well that's enough horsepower to get us started. Even better when I can use the full compute power on battery, and top it off from a phone charger.
Every bit of this industry is taking steps in better directions. We're only getting here now because there's actual competition for different folks now.
People who DONT want a "portable desktop" now have a beast of a CPU to use, with a minor compromise to mobile graphics.
I wouldn't shrug off ARC though. Intel graphics got a HUGE upgraded gen over gen.
Now I'm hoping and praying that Qualcomm delivers on narrowing the gap further with Apple Silicon. Of course at the end of the day this is Microsoft's battle to lose. I've never had a stable experience with UWP on x86.
Please keep us up to date on the davinci performance. I remember it ran fine on just an m1 with enough ram. So it should, in theory, run fine on elite x.
Well it wasn't PERFECT at launch, but it was in better shape at this point after the m1 launch LOL.
There aren't a lot of companies I "trust", but improvements come fast to resolve.
They were lighting quick replying to issues with the timeline bug in 18, and putting out a fix. I'm hoping they demonstrate the same care here.
@SomeGadgetGuy please make a video on it once 19 is out of beta. I trust blackmagic here, too. I want a cheap, long-lasting battery that runs davinci for when I need to step away from the desktop for a while.
The reason you can't boot from usb is that secure boot is set to Microsoft only. You need to set secure boot to Microsoft and 3rd party CA in order to boot into non microsoft verified software
Blergh. Gotta check that.
i use davinci to edit mine and my mom's YT vds. Besides the lack of gpu rendering, I have basically zero issues with it.
hearing about the microsoft store doesn't surprise me a bit......im kinda shocked how bad that and some xbox pc apps are on native windows
It's so bad... Just inexcusably bad...
Can you make standalone video about fans? How noisy it is?
Will be a part of my full review.
4:47 capcut?
I haven't tried it yet. I'm honestly hoping we'll get Luma fusion for windows some day....
I hope that the future arm laptops can be bused as iPads for drawing once again.
Surface Pro is there now. Hoping to see Lenovo, Dell, and Asus offer up some slates too.
I REALLY hope MS brings back the Surface Book with a discrete GPU.
@@SomeGadgetGuythat’s just a tablet with an optional keyboard
5:05 Gimp has support, but not Krita and Kdenlive?
Yeah gimp published about ARM support a while ago.
I don't see a WoA flavor of kdenlive, but if there is one, I'd love to try it.
@@SomeGadgetGuywell that sucks. I hope it happens real soon.
Who needs Strix? Current AMD SoCs - i.e. 8840U - can do what this Snapdragon Elite X can do when it comes to productivity, have comparable TDP, but knock it out of the water when it comes to GPU performance and gaming. You compared Snapdragon Elite X GPU performance to Vega 8 - which is a generation behind current GPUs in AMD SoC's
I have an 8945HS, and it scores great in benchmarks. There's no way it's total system power is in line with this X Elite laptop at the same benchmark scores. Especially for how the fans spin up.
I honestly want to read a long answer of why you wouldn’t buy a mac? M series ppw is undeniably alluring.
i disagree on ARM for gaming. we need the power also for video editing and blender. i dont want a laptop only for battery performance while neeing some other stuff when truly being productive.. why does apple get best of both worlds?
there is debian experimental iso for snapdragon
And I can't install it it seems...
I agree with your last point. If I really want to do desktop gaming, ARM SoC isn't it. Until the time where we can see ARM SoC coupled with dedicated GPU cards, x86 still reigns in the gaming land.
Almost got mine already (ASUS). "Sorry, we close early today". They had closed 10 minutes before UPS sent message to me. Better luck tomorrow...
THAT SUCKS! Hope it's in your hands soon. I just played with the vivobook, and that screen is REAL pretty.
@@SomeGadgetGuy Yes, the display is really pretty. I installed Win 11 Pro instantly. And at least VS Code installation was a breeze - some reviewers had serious problems on installing anything on these X Elite laptops.
Dark "swirly" desktop background image seems to have light stripe in left edge. Considering, that the UPS packet looked like dropped from airplane, I thought that display module had been shifted: top open (the tape had not hold) and a fist sized hole in the side of the box. But all good so far. Everything found and intact inside - this is Finland, after all. No funny noises, either. I made reclamation to ASUS, so there i s a paper trail, if there are issues later.
Whether or not a price is justified will always be a little subjective. I think the gaming channels can be forgiven for criticizing the gaming performance of these X Elite laptops. The graphics performance is clearly a weakness compared to other chips used in thin and light class laptops.
Getting hyped for the "future potential" of a brand or product line is fun, but kinda pointless no matter what you are or aren't a fan of. If you're looking to make a purchase now, all you can do is judge the performance of the options available to you now. (If you're not making a purchase now just wait and half fun watching.)
Windows is holding back the hardware imo, that's why i'm waiting for linux based X Elite laptops (Like Tuxedo and System76)
The Linux hardware market is intrinsically tied to Windows. The better these sell, the faster we improve yield, the more options Linux distributors will have, and prices will fall to more reasonable tiers.
We might not seriously see progress until MediaTek makes their play, and we see if their ARM PC solution launches with unlocked bootloaders.
64 Gb of ram is still an increadible amout of time.
In a world of AI models on device, I think 16 is going to age really poorly. 32 is probably the sweet spot.
@@SomeGadgetGuy It definitely is. My laptop is currently on 12 GB of ram. I'll have to pony up some money soon.
Thats another thing I hope we see soon again. We should always be able to upgrade RAM on a laptop.
Honestly I think the 6800u from AMD is a better overall processor than any of the x elite processors currently on offer. That is a three year old cpu.
It's great. Until you unplug it.
Awesome in my mini PC though.
@@SomeGadgetGuy Sure performance drops some on battery, still offers better batterylife than intels newest "ultra" chips, I'll admit it's behind the snapdragons though. On the other hand there's no hassle with legacy, or even modern though inexplicably incompatible software, a decent gpu that can actually accelerate most tasks, and at the time you could get a decent laptop with one in it for under a thousand bucks.
I've got a video on that coming out this week. People are panic selling last gen AMD and Intel since they aren't "copilot+".
I just dont want a "portable" desktop anymore. I want a machine that is as powerful on battery as it is plugged in. Especially if I can charge it on a phone charger.
@@SomeGadgetGuy Portable desktops were the worst thing that happened to the PC space. It gave vendors the false sense (or real complacency?) that they were serving the mobile market, whereas in fact they did nothing of the soft. Users just had to "adapt". 'Hey, look, I has a notebook, it just has to be plugged at all time!' -- no, you really don't, you have a NUC with a built-in screen and kbd. A notebook is something you can use on a plane, on a bench in the park, or anywhere along the rest of 99.9999999% of the planet where (reliable) power sockets just don't exist.
As much as I loathe Apple as a corporation and their executive leadership, their silicon team completely embarrassed AMD and Intel. It's been ROUGH waiting for PC's to start catching up.
Ok that's good review. But still "daily use" for utubers is making videos. And most of the people who watched, don't do it. What about, i don't know, exel, 3d, data moving. I use 20 tabs in chrome, 15 documents, 5-10 spreadsheet at the time, and chatgpt always opened. I know that it's niche scenario, but still not even close.
Also i would like to study programming on pyton, fro exel automation. Have any one recommendations in such regard?
In a world where roughly 30 million videos are uploaded to JUST tiktok every day, lemme ask about a niche multitasking scenario 😄
A lot of what you're asking about is RAM limited not CPU limited.
@@SomeGadgetGuy make sense. So should i do 32 on ram but cheaper processor ?
Snapdragon X Elite ❤❤
Qualcomm should have done better with the GPU as they know that gaming (casual in this instance) is very popular, even on ultrabooks. I read that nearly 60% of PC users play games.
I suspect with few native games and anti-cheat features that, Qualcomm/Windows decided to plough on even with a disappointing iGPU game compatibility. I hope they sell well and flip on the switch to get devs to support WOA gaming.
However, I fear early adopters will suffer as Mac users did when the M1 came out. Even though this is a new restart, WOA has been going longer than Apple Silicon, so I am reluctant to use that as an excuse, whereas the M1 had genuine excuses.
I bought mine as a Chromebook alternative as I need help to buy a decent one. I got the Surface Pro, and it is fantastic for that workflow, browser, and office stuff, with some media consumption. I recommend it if that is all you do. After that, diminishing returns.
Sure, but of those 60%, over half are playing mobile style games that aren't going to stress the X Elite in the slightest. My dad plays games all the time on his phone, he plays spider and hearts.
They chose to beat Vegas and iris, and they completely succeeded, just Intel and AMD step farther away than we were expecting with Radeon and Arc.
@@SomeGadgetGuy that is true. I just thought that they would do better, but it appears that they have concentrated on the NPU and CPU which are close to the competition.
Well, beating the competition until strix and lunar lake arrive.
@@SomeGadgetGuy Yes. This could be a make or break year for QCOM in desktop chips. They need to get good early and pre-order sales as AMD will be here in a few weeks and September for Intel according to latest leaks. If these two perform as expected, then it could be a rough 6-9 months for the Snapdragon X-Elite as OEMs focus elsewhere.
I'm honestly disappointed we didn't see more X Plus options fighting for lower launch prices.
Strix point is gonna crush as an enthusiast platform, but there's a huge opportunity for Qualcomm to carve out the student to mainstream home PC tiers.
Qualcomm said that gaming wasn't the biggest focus, but the device can game. It's more about developers optimizing their game for the chip. The GPU is more powerful than a XBOX series S. That is more than adequate for an excellent gaming experience.
I love it. This thing is outpacing Vega and Iris, but I guess that means it's TOTALLY UNUSABLE...
Hello
Calling out so many reviewers at their usual BS of picking a single point of contention as the entirety of product. Oh and not a single benchmark either. I swear that's for wanna Gym Bros that only lift laptop lids 🤣
Gotta keep this one pointer finger in shape...
It's wonderful hardware--chip, battery life, screen, etc. Too bad it's running....Windows. MS gave up caring about Windows years ago, aside from being a platform to generate ad revenue. If they cared about Windows---really cared--then I might care as well. Until then, nada.
So you say it has taken Intel four years to wake up after Apple abandoned them. Let's not forget it has taken Qualcomm equally as long to deliver a decent Windows product. What Qualcomm has delivered is objectively almost the same as premium Intel and AMD laptops currently shipping with many more performance quirks and a non competitive GPU. So you say that obnoxious gamers are cherry picking, and yet you are cherry picking specific workflows that work well on Qualcomm. I expected a lot more for all the hype. Not least of which at least the GPU should beat a Vega 7 from four years ago in light gaming. (It does not. It actually runs much worse with more power consumption.) The reason some of these laptops get such satisfying battery life is due to the idle power usage being low. Plenty of Intel and AMD laptops have already achieved 10-14 hours of office workload battery life.
8CXG3 was awesome. It was a brilliant core i3 competitor while emulating X86, and a great core i5 level part with native software.
I've been using my Windows ARM tablet a ton, and it recently got even faster with prism.
Sucks how a lot of folks that could have used that over android or iPad tablets were scared away from it.
@@SomeGadgetGuy 8CXG3 was passively cooled and that's what differentiated it from other laptops and tablets that run Windows. I think what we have here is a different thing entirely. This one runs just as hot as an Intel or AMD depending on the workload, with fans going hard.
It's even better that it was a passively cooled chip. You see how that was better it could hit that performance without a fan right?
But x elite is not the same. It will get hot when you run it hard, but the total system draw is what we care about.
And that is significantly better than Intel under load, and a little better than AMD.
Wait... So no Linux!?! Dammmmm
There's WSL, that's working really well, but I'm still trying to see if I can boot a portable build.
Your use case is different to 99% of the people who will buy this product.
Not really. It's the core reason so many techies jumped on MacBooks.
"I want the same performance unplugged as plugged in with good battery life" is kinda universal.
Shame no pen
Pen is really not useful with a laptop that canoot fully fold in the other direction. Maybe for signing the PDFs now and then but there is not much use there.
@OnlyCitrus It would be nice to have though
To the people who are trash talking ARM, lets see that x86 laptop go to sleep and put it inside a laptop bag. Tell me if that bag survived the fire lol or the some battery life is left when you wake up that laptop again.😂😂😂
This is literally the first proper step/building block into ARM on windows. It won't perfect. Let it take its time and improve on coming generations.
Calling out a specific shortcoming of a platform is totally valid, Qualcomm and Microsoft have been very shady on many aspect of this launch. Like preventing the use of copilot AI features on other hardware, or about the driver compatibility with third party hardware, or benchmark other than geekbench, or how well does it work with third party hardware. Some people like to occasionally game, some need to run specific drivers for specific hardware like MRI machines, or specific scanner they own, some need to some specific engineering tool, or data science tool, or publishing tool, VM tools, saying that 90% of software that people run is native ARM is nonsense, people don't buy a new PC to run a browser or office, or open PDF. These run reasonably well on a 12 year old laptop i7 laptop, people buy new PCs for the remaining apps that needs better performance....
The only positive thing I am seeing about this platform is the battery life but every thing else seems like one step forward, two steps back.
While I am glad that Intel and AMD finally have some competition, I don't think i would be getting an ARM based laptop anytime soon, especially since the difference in performance with this gen of intel/AMD hardware isn't that great unlike when Mac went with ARM silicon.
"Calling out shortcomings", I'm trying to do that. Im also trying to point out how gaming "journalists" are either telling you theyre incredibly ignorant of the platform, or are being intentionally obtuse when Qualcomm has gone out of their way to position this product appropriately.
Saying "aside from the battery life" is a pretty big dismissal LOL.
That alone was one of the most significant reasons folks gave for switching to a Mac. You certainly wont have the same app and driver support completely leaving Windows.
I disagree about the gaming performance. It should have been much much better but since this CPU derived from a server CPU they might just threw some random GPU in it but for the next versions it is inexcusable to put something barely usable
You realize your comment makes no sense right? CPU tech derived from a server chip should mean better gaming performance?
Also, it's not hard to read up on this stuff. Adreno GPU came from an ATI acquisition.
It's a shame gaming "journalists" and "reviewers" aren't doing a better job of educating their audiences.
@@SomeGadgetGuy You realize your understanding of my comment doesn't make sense right? You ok man? Did you became a fanboi of qualcomm perhaps? Like half eaten apple fanbois. It's not good for you...
6:40, this is what I mean, the people on MLID just don't get that not everyone wants to game. I run a macbook pro, I'm a software developer and work on live shows. This laptop with the efficiency and battery life is literally what makes the M series macbooks worth it, I am looking to get a Windows laptop for a larger screen, and these seem to be delivering on the performance as well as the battery efficiency that Ryzen mobile and intels chips since 11th gen haven't been capable of doing
The M3 Max and Pro MacBook Pro can support multiple displays. The recently released M3 MacBook Air can support two screens with the laptop closed.
That confirms what I was asking thanks. I was pretty sure it was only the expanded core count and dual die M chips that could do triple. Not the base M2/M3.
The pen support removal isn't a deal breaker.. But kids love it.. 😂 🥲
Yup. Was hoping my daughter could use it while we travel.