The Last Jedi - The Most POLARIZING Star Wars Movie
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- You may be noticing the color grading and grain on some of the footage. That's so Disney doesn't try to demonetize me. Apologies :^)
I would have liked to really analyze the movie but I prefer for the movie to be out so I can really dig in. If the demand is there next year, I'll go through it again.
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Rip to all those reasons Marcus liked Rey being nobody
Childish Memebino ah shit
Childish Memebino I haven’t seen the new one yet so hearing this is disappointing
@@melon502 Yeah it was honestly a cop out. You'll know when you see it.
SPOILERS (obviously) Despite me thinking TROS was a pretty bad movie over all, and that it did retcon Rey’s unimportant parents, I think of all the people to have Rey be related to, Palpatine was probably the best choice... as long as you don’t make a timeline in your head. How old is Sheev!?
Isaiah Davis
Apparently 117 years...
I think it was great learning something new about him we didn’t already know. He actually did have children. However I don’t think this was done very nicely and out of love... I think he went more about it like Ego in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2. Seducing (or worse) unwitting women to sire his children to ultimately use them for his own selfish purposes. What exactly this was and how exactly this went about, is a question left for the inevitable Sheev novel to answer...
"Rey isn't a I'm your father character"
next movie: I'm your father's father
49th like.
Also, I know it would have been risky, but I would have Loved it if Palpatine just told Rey:
'Rey/No... I am your Grandfather.'
shhh
@Benjamin Barth why did they even bring Palpatine back? Couldn’t the villain of TRoS just been Kylo Ren or General Hux?
@@JamesNerdMan85 Disney caved to StarWars’ frankly annoying fan base
@@cantthinkofaname5046 Disney caved to everyone but really, they hate everyone. They’re jealous that George Lucas made an amazing story and now Disney’s destroying it. I see through the cracks.
0:53 "The movie has equal good and equal bad" The prophecy is fulfilled. A Skywalker has brought balance.
The movie is all bad, what is good about this movie?
@@redjaygaming9757 did you watch the video?
@@redjaygaming9757 you are a physical manifestation of the angry Star Wars nerd this guy talks about lmfao
@@redjaygaming9757 there are some good things in this movie. They are heavily outweighed by the bad. Mostly the bad storytelling.
Lol it's not equal parts bad. The majority of it is bad.
That hyperdrive shot was the best visual in the entire sequel trilogy, hands down
Even though it makes absolutely no sense, and destroys the concept of hyperdrive.
@@gavinmccormick3658 its a child’s sci-fi fantasy movie pal.Trying to find logic behind it is stupid.Grow up
@@OptimusDelta, but why was it not used in previous space battles in the original and prequel trilogy?
@@OptimusDelta For kids or not, if you are making a piece of fiction in a pre-existing setting, it is important to respect the established rules of that setting. Bending and modifying the rules has been the rule for the Star Wars EU for 40 years, but when the rules are completely broken, fans will take issue.
Just because its about space wizards doesn't mean it doesn't have a set of internally consistent rules.
@@joeyjerry1586 because kamikadze is generally bad idea and was played as last dramatic chance? You don't need confirmation in other movies that ramming fast into things breaks them.
I know Luke’s death was super moving, but I almost laughed because it reminded me of Oogway disintegrating into cherry blossoms from Kung Fu Panda
Ruben Colon oh Kung Fu Panda is a total masterpiece and I adore it but Oogway’s death always kind of cracked me up for some reason and I can’t really place why. Maybe it’s reminiscent of the whole
“My job here is done”
“But you didn’t do anything”
*leaves*
@@ThatsABitPersonal the reason why Oogway had to go was because if he didn't then he would've stopped Tai Lung which would've meant that Shifu never learned from his mistakes and Po would never have become the Dragon Warrior.
God dammit not going to be able to watch that scene with a straight face anymore
CyndiMi well congrats for ruining one of my favorite death scenes of all time
Wasnt as well done as Kung Fu Panda tho
I don't like the last jedi and the force awakens simply because I haven't seen a gonk droid at all in the sequels.
Random Person On The Internet agreed dude, I feel betrayed
Random Person On The Internet Give me my pansexual Gonk foot fetish PG hentai Rian!!!
Finally! A man with standards!
now, this is an opinion i can get behind.
I actually think more people would have been ok with the disillusioned Luke if we’d ever been given the chance to see Master Luke at some point, even years prior. The one unfortunate thing about the films is that we’ve never gotten to truly see a peak Light side user in action, even in flashback. I understand why narratively with the timeframe each frame takes place in though.
I agree. Relying too much on flashbacks is not necessarily great storytelling, but give us something at least... to me the continuity between the Empire era and this new era is just ... underwhelming. The trajectory of the New Republic, Luke's attempt at rebuilding the Jedi, the rise of Snoke. It seems like a whole lot happened in the intervening years, but somehow we end up with a status quo that is very similar to the Empire era.
We wouldn't need much, mind. I personally don't necessarily have to know who Snoke is, just something that tells me the stakes. I want to know what was lost/ can be lost, and what can be regained/must be defended.
In a new hope we only really learn that there used to a republic, in a more civilised galaxy, and then a big war in which much was lost. That's pretty much it. However, Obi-wan perfectly embodies the kind of elegance and "magic" that was lost. Same with the Empire. We really don't need to know where the Emperor came from or how the Republic fell, because we can extrapolate from the workings, the aesthetics and representatives of the Empire we see in the films. It's a military dictatorship and that's a concept we recognise.
The new movies go for the same kind of stakes, with a new version of a military dictatorship, but it's clearly a watered-down version. It's no longer a galactic empire, its aesthetics have lost their novelty and its representatives seem to be mimicking the characters in a New Hope in almost every way. Nice bit of circular symmetry, but it rather undermines the stakes.
Ironically, it's the cantina scene in the Last Jedi where Ryan Johnson tries to reinforce and reframe the stakes of the new movies, showing us corruption and oppression and suggesting there is a different kind of galaxy (more civilised perhaps?) worth fighting for. The reason this feels a bit out of place is not because it's political, but because it's unclear how it fits in the conventional republic vs empire framework. We don't automatically associate the visuals of exploitative capitalism with the Empire (even though it's a fundamental part of imperialism). We probably associate it more with contemporary liberal democracies (which is what the republic is supposed to be). At the very least, the new republic has not been able to do anything about the corruption and oppression we see. Which brings us back to continuity.
It would have been great if we got to see version of Luke fighting against oppression (freeing slaves with lightsaber in hand for example), got to see Leia trying to build a better kind of galactic government, before it all went wrong. Crucially, I don't think it should ever have been Snoke that was the reason (even though Leia suggests as much to Han). It's fine if Snoke was only ever a symptom of the kind of potential for evil that exists in all human endeavours, whether it be governments or jedi orders. Again, the point is not that we need to know more about Snoke. The point of getting a glimpse of what went wrong after the Empire's defeat is to help us understand the stakes.
This! I hated last Jedi when it came out, when it was pointed out to me my main complaints were that Luke wasn't behaving like he would have in his 40s... I watched TLJ with "fresh eyes" after that, and liked it much more.
“we’ve never had a chance to see a peak light side user in action before”
Yoda: mean nothing to you do I?
@@broncojuansame
@@vinman900 I was meaning with the new films
As flawed as this movie is, you can't deny that the movie is beautifully shot. There are some really incredible visuals in this one.
I completely agree. Movies beautiful. I will never deny that. Movies still fucking terrible.
With Disney bucks you can't expect any less.
@@ArchierounD I wouldn’t say money can buy great cinematography.
Lol so are so many other CGI slogfests… that means nothing
Definitely. Visuals are but half the battle of film making however. It could be beautiful but if the characters and plot are bad then it overall failed as a film.
I was disappointed that Rey wasn’t the daughter of Jar Jar Binks, I mean like who doesn’t like Jar Jar Binks
I Have Potato Aim I know I loved him so much, forget about Darth Vader or Han or Luke, Rey would’ve been twice as better if she was the daughter of Jar Jar Binks
Part of me is still hoping that Jar-Jar will be revealed to be Snoke’s master in the next movie
Slippery Quark That would redeem this trilogy and make it the best Star Wars saga ever and I want Jar Jar to be the main villain not Palpatine
Jar Jar is the key to all of this
Hewkii Jar Jar caused order 66 and is right now coming up with order 67
Equally good...
Equally bad...
Sounds like he's brought balance to the force...
Wait a minute...What if it was the purpose of this movie after all?? A movie that is both good and bad. The balance of the force show by this movie. (JK dude, I just saw your comment and I couldn't help it.)
PIN THIS.
The herobrine mace windu wasn’t the chosen one...
Elias Greer lol
And the Rotten Tomato score agrees
If Luke didn’t act how he did, and just trained Rey, everyone would say it’s a ripoff of Yoda,
Arthur Guilherme yea but this way is more interesting in my opinion
Arthur Guilherme I feel you, but Luke ran away because he was scared to make any more mistakes and so nobody could turn out like him, making more mistakes.
@Arthur Guilherme Luke regretted trying to kill Ben. Luke thought that if he would try to help, he would just makes things worse. He tried to get rid of the problem by killing Ben (which he realized was the biggest mistake), and it led to Kylo Ren’s rise, making the galaxy suffer.
Arthur Guilherme ok, so what’s the alternative here, because what else is he supposed to do at the island, cause JJ is the one who made Luke hiding on a rock?
@Arthur Guilherme Yoda told Luke not to rush and yet he did. He paid the price for it by losing his hand. At that time, the consequences aren’t really that huge (since you can get a replacement). Thirty years later, he rushed into ending the Sith or something, and this time, the consequences are huge. He is partially or even mainly the reason why Ben turned to the Dark side. In the end, Yoda teaches him a lesson, to learn from his mistakes and do something about it. He faced Kylo Ren, giving Resistance enough time to escape and to teach Ben a lesson. Kylo Ren was rushing to kill Luke while Luke was patient, learning from his mistake of rushing.
I loved that Rey was no one special.
Me too , her being a palpatine felt dumb to me because heroes can come from anywhere, they don’t have to be always related to known characters , that part of the heroes journey ( in my opinion) , in the mandelorian, we don’t know who the child is related to and I’m ok with that , same as other people, but people wanted wanted Rey to be related because they wanted an explanation to why Rey is a Mary Sue ( which I don’t believe Rey is a Mary Sue because , the reasons to what she dose are explained in the movies) and now we’re stuck with Rey Palpatine,
@@ateam6671 actually you can believe she isnt but she fits the text book definition of one
@@CynicallyObnoxious That’s why I exist 😎
@@TheFemaleTitan yea but you got your ass handed to you many of times tho
@@TheFemaleTitan Ahsoka isn't a Mary Sue though because she wasn't perfect at first, but got great character development later on.
W-Why can't we just enjoy The Clone Wars together and go home dude
Because the movie kinda of sucked? to a lot of people? we don't hate people that love the movie but we hate it.
@@mtado4933 hes talking about the series
Yann Dylan oops replied to the wrong comment. I love the Clone Wars
@@mtado4933 Restoration 100
Amen
One real important question I would love someone to answer for me.
Where did Ray learn to swim?
Dipping in water, and grabbing the edge = Swimming?
@@stormtraitor6545 is that what people call swimming? Dipping?
First Name Last Name sandswimming
@@Gentlemenpickleesq. twins
The Force
Poe running a mutiny was the only logic thing considering Holdo was seemingly sending the whole crew into certain death
Not telling Poe the plan was logical since he had already proven he couldn't be trusted to follow orders. Poe should have been pushed out of an airlock after the first scene.
@@inspectorwinship9538 How exactly is not telling the guy who prioritises the safety of the resistance to the point where he defied orders to ensure they wouldn't all be annihilated by a big-fuck-off "fleet-killer" about your entirely reasonable plan to evacuate their guys to not-Hoth which requires him to do literally nothing but sit on board and chill, and instead act really fucking suspicious whilst giving him the impression you're leading everyone to their fiery deaths "logical"?
@@alexmelling5261 He was demoted so no longer part of command, and he had already gotten the entirety of the fleet destroyed by disobeying direct orders from his general in scene 1. I wouldn't trust him to lead a team in Fortnight after that. By running a shadow operation behind Leia's back, he lead the Emp...1st Order right into discovering the evacuation plan, getting more people needlessly killed. The mistrust was logical AND justified.
@@inspectorwinship9538 She was literally just saying "I have a plan. Trust me.", then killed herself in a shitty attempt to redeem her characrer. How is Poe in the wrong here.
@@jacko2244 He wasn't part of command anymore! He was demoted because he disobeyed orders, leading to every bomber, and most fighters, in the fleet being destroyed. He didn't need to know the plan, he was just supposed to follow his commanding officer's orders, which he'd already proven he was unwilling to do.
One of my main problems is how it makes the galatic conflict feel so small
Worse part about being a star wars fan?
Other star wars fans
Ok boomer
Unfortunately, that is very true.
66th like
This is definitely the truth
@@SirDankleberry Sorry bro, but it seems you dont know how this meme works, which makes you the boomer here...
Normal guy: “I thought it was okay”
People: *death threats*
Ajaws2414 “you aren’t a real Star Wars fan like me”
@@milesdean8802 oh god I hate that one.
Well it's fine if you like it bit it's objEctIvely baD
@@basedchimera5859 Holy crap, you gave me PTSD
@@Icybubba can't wait for the EFAP commentary of this comment section
Rip everyone who waited two years just to see Luke drop the lightsaber
I saw a hilarious edit (taken down by Disney now unfortunately) where they linked the ending of TFA with the beginning of TLJ. The Force theme swells and emotions run high.... then Luke says lol nah and the saga dies
For the hyperdrive argument, the main reason people are mad is because the implication that someone can actually destroy an entire fleet with one ship is bad writing.
Oh look, the second death star is charging up, just send a ship straight at the center in hyperdrive.
Oh no, they’re still producing droids on Geonosis? Well, how about a 4 ship hyperdrive party.
I mean, the maneuver is clearly shown to be created by Holdo, and is named after her. I have more of a problem with TROS never using it again and never stating the reason why it can't be used again. It has lead to this becoming divisive so to me, since TROS brought it up and never explained it, it's more of a flaw with that movie and not this one.
That description: "You either think it's the best movie since Empire or you think Rian Johnson violated you and murdered your childhood right in front of you"...was perfect.
@midgetydeath I'd be interested in seeing a scientific poll on the subject. I'm one of the freaks that actually enjoys this new trilogy, and I've run into a lot more sequel fans than you have.
@@SuperScarface83 That is because both sides are only inside their bubbles (on the internet that is) IRL, the majority of fans liked it.
@@DragonStudioLPs i go out of my bubble (atleast on twitter) and ive seen a pretty big split. i do think its somewhere around 50-50 approval to disapproval but everyone wants their side to be right because then its like they won.
i think the film is bad, but some people dont care about the faults and like it which is fine its just people who ignore the faults which annoy me a bit especially when they go round saying its a 10/10 masterpiece.
Writer's Block I have a serious question four you though what about the original trilogy and it’s faults or do you believe it has none.
@@kvhd5868 i dont believe anything doesnt have faults, the difference is that was a new property at the time it had no rules to go by so the faults that are there are minimal in comparison.
the new trilogy does, it has to go by the established rules of the universe, if it didnt it would be a 1000% times better because it would all make sense. but its star wars therefore it has to go by those rules and it doesnt
“Rey comes from nothing and turns out to be a great hero... The Force can rise up and grow stronger in anybody, regardless of their bloodline.”
Me, after watching TROS: Oh well, so much for that idea.
I was so fucking disappointed when they revealed she was a Palpatine. I would be as disappointed if she was related to anybody else. I just love the idea that she was nobody and the thematic implications that carries. It kind of ruins that by making her a Palpatine.
Ted Under Six I’m kinda on the fence on if Marcus will like TROS. I think he will like it but you just never know lol
@@grandjimulus703 Oh he definitely isn't going to like it.
@@PayondeAwsome well, only one way to find out.
@General Kenobi I was actually completely on board with the end, but it would have been WAY more impactful if she was still a nobody making her way in the universe.
I dont think Luke wanting to kill his Nephew is realistic of his character at all thats peoples problem with it not because hes flawed
"travelling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy"
*"I light speed skipped"*
I get Rose sucks but harassing the actress to the point of deleting social media is so uncalled for
Ellie Lovegood that’s so true
Agreed
Yea what the heck fans. Look i get it you didn't like the character and honestly i didn't like the character that much either. But to take it to the real world and shun the actress that's just uncalled for.
Nacho Pi Gaming also I’m pretty sure people sent her death threats which is also really bad
@@ellielovegood6307 That's even it's worse. To somewhat quote the hockey player; It's only movie why do you have to be mad.
Killing younglings is a skywalker right of passage
also why did luke leave a map to himself if he wanted to be a grumpy hermit
So people could send him blue milk through space Amazon.
Because JJA made TFA a little too convoluted
It’s cuz the map is to the first Jedi temple and people knew that’s where he went
Stevey Pizza He didn’t
He made the map just in case the galaxy was in deep danger so people could find him
"every movie has a stupid subplot"
yet, the whole rise of Skywalker IS a stupid subplot
Ik this was comment was a while ago, but ROS is the only Star Wars movie I don’t like and it ruined the good ideas TLJ had
The problem about Luke is not that is flawed: I like that. But do you really believe that the person who did everything to redeem Darth Vader - whom has done incredibly bad things - would kill his nephew for having a thought about the “dark side”? That’s what’s out of character.
Re: Rey - it’s not that she’s not related to someone famous, it’s the fact that she’s overpowered for no reason. Anakin is overpowered but is supposedly the “chosen one”, and Luke is the “chosen one’s son”. I’d have been ok with the idea that there’s multiple chose ones (maybe in different civilisation are identified differently) and Rey being connected to that line of chosen ones. However having her being so powerful without struggles (both Anakin and Luke still go through many struggles even if chosen ones) is what made me dislike this.
While I can see your point about Luke Skywalker (and I 100% agree that the movie isn’t perfect) I don’t understand the criticism that he acts out of character because I believe that that’s the point of the movie. You’re never supposed to take what he did and agree with it, you’re supposed to look at his actions as “out of character.” Btw, I agree with your points about Rey, I just wanted to address the argument against Luke.
@@zombiefiedjem5113 I get what you’re saying, but I believe it’s a matter of semantics. When I say “out of character” I mean “looking at all of Luke’s history, the way he acts in this movie does not make sense from a logical perspective”. Of course in the movie it was written to be like this, so within the context of TLJ he’s “in character”. The problem is that TLJ does not consider the OT character development and when you look at Luke over all the 6 films (OT + ST), then TLJ sticks out like a sore thumb.
Again, it’s the same reason why I didn’t like Reva as a character: from a logical standpoint of how you would expect someone to act/react, they don’t make sense:
Luke does everything to save the second most evil person in the galaxy, but wants to kill his nephew for having remote dreams about following his grandpa footsteps.
Reva wants to kill children to raise in the ranks of Inquisitors to kill Vader because he kille children.
I honestly can’t see how these motivations can even make sense to the writers…
@@fvaudio character assassination is hip and cool apparently
I feel the same way about Finn. I liked Finn in TFA...and now I think he has been completely wasted
I hope they somehow fix him in episode 9
I don’t think so. In TFA he discover the “who to fight for” with Rey and in this movie he discovers the “what to fight for” by going to the casino planet. He now believes he should do the right thing. He makes the decision to sacrifice himself, which is a heroic unselfish decision. But, since it was a fake out we can further explore Fin. But the fact he made that decision was enough to show where he’s at now, it doesn’t matter whether it worked or not.
ny_kia31 he didn’t die In that scene, he didn’t get wasted
I hate rose for stopping his heroic death
Same
The Last Jedi didn't ruin my childhood, fucking pollio did.
:( I'm sorry to hear that my dude
Considering this dude has an Irish last name and only three countries, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Nigeria, have polio, it's safe to assume that was a joke. Probably to Mr Plinkett.
Very cool.
Graham Cavan Can't wait for the Mr. Plinkett review of this
lozoft9 You completely missed the reference.
1) I like Rey being nobody
2) I’ve come to accept that Snoke dying without context is completely fine BUT
3) Kylo Ren can’t be redeemed or it cheapens his arc
4) I really wanted Ben and Rey to switch places, with her becoming the new villain and him becoming the reluctant hero
5) I FUCKING HATE PORGS
Yeah i too hate the porgs. They are basically Star Wars merchandise driven character times one million. I even dare say that they are worse than Ewoks.
TrolleyXLakers - Club Shay Shay manager probably be a better situation then they are in right now
Porgs are cute
@@kinolokki5953 it’s not that porgs arnt cute, it’s the fact that they are used solely as a marketing ploy and nothing else. They are shoved in every available second on screen just to make kids go “ooo I want one”
@@thepriorstone4064 So I read that you like rey being nobody and thought you'd like this, it's my perfectly resonable headcannon that palpatine lied to rey about her heritage. He's evil, he lies, he knows how to manipulate people cos he can basically read minds, he knows rey is desperate for family so it's pretty fair to say this is something he would do.
That's my theory, I love rey being a nobody, and honestly it kinda makes more sense that shes "all the jedi" if the force chose her to defeat palpatine.
Thank you for the analysis of Luke! I've always loved what they did with him in this movie, but it's really hard to say that when the other person pulls out the "my childhood hero" card.
Cosmonaut on Palpatine: "he runs the Galaxy and he's this mega powerful old dude, then a half dead cyborg man throws him down a well and he dies."
Rise of Skywalker: "Well yes, but actually no."
Clone bodies boi
H.F. Bauer you fucker
@Adrock 99 Palpatine confirms in the beginning of TROS that he died that day. He came back. It's not clear why, but that's def palpatine
It’s his spirt, I think
This video aged like shit
Did everyone forget about LEIA'S FORCE FLYING
IMA MARRY POPPINS Y'ALL
It's a bird! It's a plane!
Jacobie Brian who tf is laia
Alistair MacIsaac Rip my bad. Fixed it
As someone who really likes the film, yeah that looked goofy as fuck.
Favorite Star Wars movies - best to worst:
1. Episode _
2. Episode _
3. Episode _
4. Episode _
5. Episode _
6. Episode _
7. Episode _
8. Episode _
9. Episode _
That's my list. Please, PLEASE, Don't start a full out war in the replies.
What a trash list. Episode _ is better than episode _ you fucking idiot
@raja darwish your so fucking right
@@rajadarwish4712 nope episode_ is much better than episode_
@@rajadarwish4712, are you that dumb? Episode_ is miles ahead of Episode_. It’s insulting to compare the two
My PERSONAL ranking goes:
- A New Hope
- Empire Strikes Back
- Revenge of the Sith
- Return of the Jedi
- Solo
- The Force Awakens
- Phantom Menace
- Rogue One
- Rise of Skywalker
- The Last Jedi
- Attack of the Clones
Interesting list my best to worst would have to be
1. Star wars
2. Empire strikes back
3. Return of the jedi
4. Rise of Skywalker
5. Revenge of the sith
6. Force awakens
7. Solo
8. Last jedi
9. Rogue one
10. Phantom menace
12. Attack of the clones
@@bigkmoviesandgames Im glad you both recognise how good solo is, I think its just a fun simple movie, and idc what anyone says but attack of the clones has almost nothing good in it
@@EuanM20X I agree.while solo doesn't do anything completely epic or anything its still a well made film with a likable cast and good story.
Rots
New Hope
Empire
Rouge one
AOTC
ROTJ
SOLO
Force Awakens
Clone wars movie
Last Jedi
Phantom menace
Force awakens
ROS
There all 10/10 btw
The typical average ranking when you look at everybody, seems to go:
Empire Strikes Back
A New Hope
The Force Awakens
Solo
Rogue 1
Last Jedi
Rise of Skywalker
Return of the Jedi
Revenge of the Sith
Attack of the Clones
The Phantom Meneace
I hate how admiral Akbar died off screen, I mean we didn't really know shit about him but the memes made me care about him I guess
He didn't die offscreen, we see him get blown up on the bridge.
I'm surprised people feel anything about Akbar. He's pretty much just a meme and you can hold your breath through his entire trilogy screen time.
I feel like Holdo could have been replaced by Akbar if he survived but I really liked the movie.
JurzGarz out of focus.
Ackbar was actually an important part of the star wars trilogy
M8 did u imply the podracing scene was anything but a work of art
TRUTH! It was epic and I like it to this day.
The podracing scene felt like two hours of watching a camera pan from left to right over and over.
@@McSuperfly101 At least the pods could turn right! :D
The lonesome death of Ratts Tyerell, his death scream, and the "BLAURRRRGH" scream of that weird crocodile gleep-glop are in fact the peak of the prequels.
Hmm I think this is satire, but the comments are replying to it seriously, however that could be satire too. Am I being double woooshed?
"People who cant overlook the dumb Sh*t"
Literally what Marcus does all the time.
and so do you lmao
@@BlackbirdRX says the guy who thinks TFA is the best Star Wars film lmao
@@JayJaycubbs notice i said FAVORITE, not BEST. you being a dumbass and not knowing the difference doesn't make you right
Cosmonaght: episode 8 is a good different for star wars
*episode 9 comes out
Cosmonaght: well you fucked it didn't you.
This video was on point save for the bits about the Luke dissent. Folks weren't angry because Luke was no longer his overpowered-Expanded-Universe-self. Folks were perplexed because the compassionate Jedi Knight who brought DARTH VADER back from the dark side, decided he couldn't do it again when he had some bad visions about Ben Solo--then considers killing the boy in his sleep.
Is there a storyline that could have the broken Luke that we got in TLJ? Sure. Was that story depicted in TLJ? No. It was not. It was irrational and, yes, OOC. It's going to take a whole lot more than bad dreams to make Luke a self-exiled hermit who can see no good in the world AT ALL.
I also disagreed with his point about the hyperspace kamikaze. It pretty much invalidates every space battle fought anywhere in any SW movie, and is probably the single biggest plot hole in TLJ.
Think about it. A single ship with a single crewman (or droid) can destroy a whole fleet by hyperspace suicide. This should be the prominent tactic of the smaller force in any space battle.
Star Wars fan opinion is so varied. Because the hyperspace jump scene was astounding.
Antoine luke is a lot of things to a lot of people... but vader is his dad..of course hes gonna try to bring him back to the light. also he was much younger and full of hope...its kinda like how yoda deeply believed in the jedi way, but then gave up on it and went into exile because of his overwhelming guilt and getting so many jedi killed.... luke made a mistake and felt guilty just like yoda. he inspired kylo to kill all his students he helped kylo turn to the dark. just like yoda and the other masters help push anikin into darkness. its really good writing tbh. it fits in the lore i think its pretty rational.
btw Antonie i love your videos! they are dope af
@thatguy i also thought about that!! ...thats not really a problem with the movie more a funny plot hole of star wars in general...i mean there is no reason to fight like WWII jets in space lmao. why do they have wings? hahahah also gun systems would be fired from much much much futher away...thats hella funny
Too be fair, compare Yoda from Prequals and OT and you see that Luke went the same way. You look at Luke seeing the GOOD in Vader and believing in him, but in Kylo he was seeing the DARK and had no idea how to handel it. After that, he blamed himself for letting his SISTERS son become evil while also be responsible for everything that happened. That kind of stuff will destroy even the strongest person.
IMO this movie is as divided as Snoke. Half and half.
Snoke is darth maul confirmed.
Lol
Actually it is. The fanbase is split because of Kylo Ren, as they can't decide if he's a good character or not.
L. J. Love your comment😩😩
Ha!
The more time passes, the more I apreciate Ryan Johnson's boldness in grabbing Star Wars and trying to do something new and free the next generation from the past heroes. You can't move a franchise forward only telling the stories from past heroes
The plot he came up with horrible and destroyed every plot point from TFA. You can't say that's "freeing the next generation" when you destroy Luke Skywalker and troll the audience for being invested in the story with useless plot twists that make no sense
@@proaaron578 In that case let's say that failure is the greatest teacher. Even the greatest masters can fail, and learn from it.
I'm sure I've got this message from a movie.
@@proaaron578 Did you want Luke to just sit down and train Rey? That would be so damn boring.
Too bad you can do so without taking a dump on past heroes, aspect which Ryan Johnson didn't bother to take into account. Mandalorian and Andor showcased Star Wars could go elsewhere, without being insulting mess which is The Last Jedi.
@@radiant3921Yeah they definitely couldn’t have used the time they had spent making Luke out to be Ebenezer Scrooge for something like character development for a villain that could be remembered no no no no that’s ridiculous run every hero we’ve known into the ground and dumb some dirt on it too. Let’s kill off the one main antagonist we had so that the next director can just scramble and ruin everything right
This is a based take.
I’m starting to realize that I really need to not read reviews about Star Wars movies anymore. I’m realizing that I have a tendency to change my opinion very easily when presented with someone else’s thoughts on the movie. I liked Last Jedi when I first saw it, but when I saw all the outcry, I slowly started to dislike it, and now I want to like it but just can’t.
Same
I thought it was a mixed bag with some shining moments and some mess ups as well. It wasn't consistently dull, I liked the hyperspace ram from an audio visual perspective as well as the effects. They messed up with the writing though. 6.2/10 Not the worst movie ever but it sure could've been better.
PS: Am I the only one who thinks that the Leia Poppins scene couldn't be improved, seriously guys, can you really make her use the force to get her back to her ship without making it look absurd? I think not
Your all obviously a new fan s, and your opinion doesn’t make the movie good. It’s slow and boring and if you like slow and boring movies your opinion doesn’t count. This movie lets you be excited for 2 secs and kills the hype with BS WRITING.Y’all have bad taste buds you 💩 eaters.
@@swaves Knew it cause of the emoji usage.
Totally. It’s not like the whole movie could’ve ended by simply sending the thousands of TIE fighters TFO had at their disposal to destroy their largest threat.
The best Star Wars film is the one I made in my head.
James Fitzpatrick no
MINIMOOSE yes
Nah, the best one would be the one in MY head
Same story for everyone
Wrong, it's actually A New Hope.
"Doesn't make sense for them to be related to each other." Didn't age well, huh?
Yes, it did actually, you are wrong. The point still stands and the reveal of Palpatine's daughter was abysmal in the way it was carried out.
@@pleasesubscribetomynewyout5330 The fact she is Palpatine's *granddaughter* (as I'm pretty sure you meant) would be abysmal in any way it could have been carried out.
@@garrisoncox724 it still makes no sense to me that jj felt like he had to undo the previous movie with that shit
I think the hyperdrive seen was really pretty and conceptual HOWEVER, the reason people don’t like this is because at that rate every space battle would end with the side that had more ships hyperdriving into shit. Like the droids would have won they could just fly at all be Jedi and clone ships.
Last Jedi: The most polarizing Star Wars movie since the last movie.
Nick Paradies rogue one?
Bli Nk I think he refers to the force awakens
Irsan thanks, but that was a joke
Nick Paradies Star Wars Episode 8 is the most polarizing thing since thanos's finger snap thing.
@@Minx5892 no
Not liking this movie is fine and perfectly reasonable.
Being a horrible douche about it and sending people death threats isn't.
But apparently this is a foreign concept to some people.
The fuck you mean no proof? The hate was all over her instagram page after the movie released.
so, basically, this is the second time she received vitriol?
Ahmed Best was nearly driven to suicide with death threats and Jake Llyod was bullied into literal insanity. Neither the media or any of you Prequel haters spoke out on their behalf.
The last of us fans will Kill you if you don’t say the last of us is the greatest games
oh yeah, and lets not forget about the REYLO FANS who harrassed Adam Driver and sent death threats to JJ Abrams, cast members and other producers of Rise of Skywalker. But no, lets just bitch about the evil racist Nazi TLJ haters. Fucking hell.
Marcus was actually right.
I feel like after Rise of Skywalker, people have realised they're hatred for this movie went way too far to the point where Disney literally made a sequel to piss off the least amount of fans and now people accept it as alright. (I hope I'm right)
I think you are correct. And it's sad because TROS could have simultaneously been really huge with all the lines that 7 and 8 set up. But in an effort to piss off the least amount of people, they made it profoundly mediocre, and IMO, the worst (I still liked it, mind you!) film of the saga.
@@Sohbek agreed I take good story over overChorography fight
No, the reason why rise of skywalker is the way it is. Is because tlj cuts down basically any plot lines and ruins most characters. This is why "somehow palpatine has returned" with absolutely 0 build up
@@notdot8742 I don't think so, the Rise of Shitwalker was the worst in the series. there is no excuse as to why its so bad.
@@notdot8742 It’s TROS’s fault. I love TLJ and seeing the plot threads of this film get erased because some people got mad is a coward move. Rey should have been a nobody. Luke’s arc was compelling. Luke’s death was perfect, and Palpatine should have never shown up in this trilogy.
I just can't get over that Luke's big plan for learning how bad Ben was was to sneak into his bed in the dead of night with his weapon and read his mind. That's insane. That's wild. Why couldn't we have seen flashbacks to the temple and Ben doing dark stuff that worried Luke and necessitated some kind of confrontation? We had time for fucking Canto Bight but not, y'know, some backstory on our main villain's reasons for hating Luke?
Luke told rey he had “sensed his darkness” and “seen it in moments in his training” i think that’s enough motivation for him to look into his mind. Also he didn’t walk into Bens hut with the intent of killing him.
The movies may be flawed...
*But Clone Wars is superior*
Lets just pretent that star wars ended after the clone wars came out. Rebels is optional. But all this never happend
Fact
There is NO sequel trilogy.
Gordon IWK
I’ll accept Rogue One, that’s it.
These aren`t the stars movies you are looking for
"I am one of the biggest Star Wars fans, but you gotta admit. This shit's dumb." XD
But, it's still awesome!
Lol
14:29 *_”Don’t pick apart shit with made up fantasy facts.”_*
*Also Cosmonaut:* _Thinks the Inquisitors Helicopter Lightsabers are stupid, & ridiculous._
Well, see the difference there is that helicopter lightsabers look really frickin stupid
@@butterball8378 So it has to look stupid for you to be able to pick it apart? So the Holdo hyperspace Kamikaze is shielded from scrutiny because it looks cool? What’s the logic here?
@@jahadmii706 if you really want to get into it, lightsaber blades aren't solid like a helicopter blade. They are described as *light*sabers so there shouldn't be a way for them to achieve lift. It has also been said many times that going into lightspeed is very dangerous and since we don't have a set science for this, it isn't exactly unbelievable to say that crashing into another ship at lightspeed would destroy the ship it crashes into. Especially considering that crashing into another ship at all would damage it
@@butterball8378 bruh didn’t you listen to Cosmonaut, *_dOn’T pIcK aPaRt ShIt WiTh MaDe Up FaNtAsY fAcTs!1!_* Why are you doing that? Oh wait, I know it’s because you care, & deep down you know it matters for the story.
Yeah I fully agree the spinning lightsabers are BS. I’m not trying to defend it in anyway. Same with the Holdo hyperspace Kamikaze. The existence of that maneuver destroys every space battle that has & ever will exist in the future of Star Wars. From now on we’ll be thinking, _”just do a Hyperspace Kamikaze.”_ I’m just making a point that Cosmonauts incredibly hypocritical, & has no consistency. He’s just one of those simple minded viewers that think, _”Well it didn’t bother me. So it must not really be a problem.”_ Even though it very well may be. That’s all I’m saying.
@@jahadmii706 The last film already explained it.
Holdo just tried to run away, stealing the ship in the process, but stumbled upon one-in-a-million chance of destroying Snoke's ship.
My ranking:
1. Empire, do i have toe explain?
2. New Hope, again do i have to explain?
3. Solo, really fun action movie with a unique plot to star wars, very grounded and all around just fun to watch
4. Force awakens, again just a fun movie not too deep like solo
5. Return of the jedi, middle chunk especially with ewoks is bad and the beginning is meh but otherwise great
6. The last Jedi, Lots of extreme highs and lots of extreme lows
7. Revenge of the Sith, very fun but ultimately empty movie befcause these characters are robots and i dont care abt them
8. Rogue One, I cant name a single character in this movie but that second half is just wow
9. Rise of skywalker, not a very good movie, I like when the main trio is together but thats it, also cool new force abilities but otherwise rly bad
10. Attack of the Clones, only thing that keeps me awake is the sudden action, so boring omg
11. Phantom Menace, I am legit in a coma watching this
I walked out of the movie thinking it was solid and surprising and my friend started screaming about how Rian Johnson personally raped him and murdered his will to live.
WHAT
Well compared to the Star Wars universe as a whole.... yeah I have to agree with your friend
Welcome to the Star Wars fandom
Najwin Najib it's not like they ruined the previous films or no longer made em canon kinda sounded like a sjw overreadting really
Najwan Najib exactly it's already happened!I get your point but a lot of people don't even consider the sequels canon simple as that and it's not like they went back in time to make the originals non canon
The only people in the world who hate Star Wars are people who love Star Wars.
No shit considering the amount of bs movies the fanbase has been served
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Actively refuted by this video
You mean: "The only people in the world who hate Disney's Star Wars are people who love Star Wars. "
@redwill17 Let's put it this way: You tell me, a waiter at your favorite restaurant, to get you your favorite food dish on the menu. I then give it to you, but it is undercooked, raw, is missing ingredients, and I basically toss the plate in front of you. You then complain that it's not a good one, but I then reply to that with "But it's your favorite. Wow, the only ones who love this dish are the ones who hate it and complain about it all the time."
People who complain about star wars are fans who want to see GOOD star wars movies. We criticize it because we have high standards of what we like. We don't want crappy movies in which logic and reason is sidelined for spectacle. If I have a favorite movie franchise and it makes a crappy movie, I'll complain because I expected better from a franchise I love.
I agree. It would be REALLLY BAD writing if Rey was just another known character's relation.
So glad that wasn't the case!
1) Empire Strikes Back
2) The Last Jedi
3) Star Wars
4) Return Of The Jedi
5) Revenge Of The Sith
6) The Force Awakens
7) Attack of the Clones
8) The Phantom Menace
9) Rise of Skywalker
And with spin-offs :
8.5) Solo
6.5) Rogue One
Cosmo: Ray isn't related to anyone
Episode 9: *I'm about to end this man's whole career*
i'm afraid rey will be quite important when i arrive.
Ray
And any regard for plot at all.
“This shit is dumb. But it’s still awesome.”
Star Wars? Or Metal Gear Solid?
Is mgs dumb tho?
Yes but actually no It’s still really amazing tho
Lior Burstein it’s really stupid but cool and occasionally deep at the same time
Loone 3 Pretty accurate
@@liorbur dumb as in campy and absurdly epic. Yes.
The one think I can’t stand about fanboys is that they don’t think characters can change.
nah
That was a dramatic change for Luke. This is the guy who was trying to talk Vader, an extremely ruthless, evil man responsible for slaughtering anyone who slightly inconvenienced him, into returning to the light side because of his faith in his own father. You really think he'd just change that optimism and try to kill his own nephew instead of trying to help him?
it's not that luke changed: it's that they treated his change like a fucking joke for a big chunk of the movie, they played the grumpy old man angle so hard i felt really alienated by it, and all it took was throwing a lightsaber in an attempt at comedic timing, and the milking scene
it adds up, and gets annoying as hell
I have a newfound love for the sequels now after hating them for years
I can agree as long as we forget about a certain one
It's the prequel cycle all over again
@@milzz8844 It also happened to empire
Saying "don't judge a fantasy for breaking rules, it's about wizards and shit lol" is reductionist. We want it to be internally consistent, to stick to it's OWN rules.
It’s doing that though. It hasn’t broken any rules.
Yeah, sure it hasn't. Like when both sides of the Force have to suddenly balance each other out, when in the Prequels it was established that the Jedi and the Light Side are serenity, so the Sith have to be destroyed due to the fact that the Dark Side feeds on pain and emotion.
Didn't the Prequels introduce the concept of balancing the force in the first place though?
Bent7793 yes by destroying the Sith, that's why Obi says to Anakin "you were supposed to destroy the Sith not join them!" Balance was wiping out evil.
Brandon Patterson the true meaning of bringing balance to the Force was never established. In the AOTC novelization it specifically states that even the Jedi themselves aren't entirely sure what it means.
The only halfway decent one was Wrath of Khan.
Christian Amato Lol. Take your upvote with pride sir.
Christian Amato I honestly think Rian is a bitter Trekkie.
I prefer Battle Star Galactica: Razor
KHAAAAAAAAAN
Knowledge is knowing that Galaxy Quest is not a Star Trek movie. Wisdom is knowing that Galaxy Quest is the best Star Trek movie.
It's so interesting to see this video six years later and know what Star Wars has become. The hope for a new direction and themes in this video is so inspiring
Dude I'm so annoyed at Disney for ruining all the good shit Rian Johnson did in this movie
13:17
I hate this argument. This is my only gripe in this video. The Emperor doesn't need an explanation because there is no preceding lore at the point of his introduction. We as an audience can just buy into who and what he is without asking where he came from.
In the case of Snoke, there are seven movies worth of stories that preceed his existence. In Return Of The Jedi the Empire is defeated, Darth Vader is dead, The Emperor is dead. The rule of two (siths) was established in The Phantom Menace, so we can safely assume that the sith are dead.
And then Snoke shows up. Of course that raises questions, which are entirely valid to have, in my opinion.
Bram R that's exactly how I feel everytime i heard those argument.
Because of the gap of time between ep 6 and ep 7, I can assume Snoke's rise to power was long and complicated. I didn't care to see it. I cared that he seduced Ben to the dark side and that his death furthered Kylo's story.I guess its the time gap that makes me not care. If there was a different emperor in ep 6 than Palpatine, I'd be really confused and want answers. If that makes sense.
I agree. I imagine we'll get some information on Snoke's backstory from Kylo ruminating in the next film, or perhaps he will come back as a sassy force ghost that will exposit on his backstory and torment his killer a bit. However, I do agree, it's not the most satisfying way it could have happened. That being said, I also really appreciate how he was killed off, both for just how shocking a twist it was, but also because we see him be genuinely outwitted by Kylo.
Ye boi. I LOVED the movie, and I completrly disagree on some key points made by people who disliked it (Rey's parents, Luke's "assholiness", Kylo's childish character), but Snoke is as ex-machina as it gets.
To make things worse, he is just a typical, no, wait, he is THE typical fantasy villain, who is just overpowered bc writers said so and who just wants to infinitely rule everything for the sake of being EVIL YAAHRR (I mean, Kylo's line at the end where he offers Rey to rule the galaxy together made me bleed from the facepalm, but even that plays into Kylo's character as an infantile wannabe cool guy who hasn't came up with his own view of the world yet). Even tho the new trilogy has GREAT and very original characters (judging by the standards of modern mainstream action cinema, of course). And Snoke is just... Pure dissapointment. Hope the next episode will tell us at least something that will make sense.
Actualy the movie explains a little how the light and dark side of the force need eachother to exist as said by (i think) luke.
Luke is strong on the light side and he is training a new order.
Being this the case one can asume how snoke darkness came to balance lukes light.
The same i think with Ben and Rey
Okay, but one thing still bugs me.
*_WHY DID LEIA LITERALLY FLY THROUGH SPACE?_*
edit: guys I don’t give a shit if she’s force sensitive or not, she can’t fucking breathe in space lol
Daddy Donald she is force sensitive so she probably used the force to propel herself back to the ship. I do agree that it looked stupid though
That was one of my wtf moments. Also the little alien Russian like ladies. Wtf?
She used the force.
Get over it.
How in the hell does anyone levitate rocks?!?!
Daddy Donald yeah same me and my friends when We SAW IT We loked at eatch other with a dumb face
THANK YOU for admitting all of Star Wars is dumb fun.
Sorry, but you defending Luke contemplating murdering his nephew in their sleep makes it hard for me to take you very seriously.
@senmole 🤡
i also thought there were too many jokes
I liked the jokes, and maybe some people need to stop taking the movie so seriously? Just sayin'.
Am I the only one barely remembering there being so many jokes? I remember the force tickle and the porg creatures being a joke in themselves
Michael Ferrigno I feel like you’re right, but as I wrote that out I remembered the Jedi nuns and ray desotrying everything, and most of the things bb8 did like the coin attack and piloting the walker even tho they had purpose I guess it was still funny
The quips were a bit much. I loved the visual jokes much more as those were easier ways to ease the tension naturally. However, the dialogue jokes this time around oddly enough felt far more natural than it did in TFA.
too many jokes? there much less "jokes" than usual and some moments were organicly, naturally funny. not like overtrying to be funny
Lmao we're at Rise of Skywalker and people are still popping blood vessels over this movie.
Edit: y'all I don't care anymore
Toon Trooper ikr just let it go come on like it or dislike either’s fine but just stop being a baby
They will never stop.
Im just sad how toxic the star wars community became
Toon Trooper Star Wars fans are whiny a holes period they are actually the definition of toxic
oh no, it's 2019, why do people still care about anything, why can't everyone be a nihilist like me
Luke struggled with being a living legend. I’ve been saying that for years to hear somebody else say it makes me so happy
It was a big theme of Luke’s in the Old EU.
This isn’t new to Star Wars, just the films.
@Kryptoskillet exactly the point, EU Luke is the Luke that the galaxy thinks he is, not the real guy.
@@cantthinkofaname5046 And which is terrible point, as it ignores that real Luke was far closer to that, than whatever it was in TLJ.
I love star wars so much as a franchise but even I admit its all bloody stupid.
I like your analytical response to these movies as movies and as a star wars fan ,both ripping them apart and praising them.
Says that Rey unknown parentage is good
The next movie: Rey is palpatines granddaughter
@General Kenobi im your biggest fan general Kenobi. Could you say " Hello there " for me
@General Kenobi thank you general Kenobi
@General Kenobi Rey being Palpatine's daughter actually doesn't explain her other abilities, just why she's so strong in the force. It does makes a lot of sense narratively regarding her connection to Kylo since they're both grandchildren to the OG Sith duo. PLUs, the theme of identity not mattering still applies since Rey realizes that she's not destined to her bloodline, she can choose the one that's been her true family
@@ShaunFish Ah yes, through Identity theft?
Because its shit and they wrote it shitty because they are babies copping out and using memberberries.
Cosmonaut: “I can’t understand the mentality of needing everyone to be related to somebody important, or just being someone we’ve heard of before. The reveal would have been bad writing”
Me after seeing Rise of Skywalker: “😳😬”
Proved his point? Lol
@@revimfadli4666how did it prove his point?
@@revimfadli4666Lol
@@jw1714because rise of Skywalker is the worst star wars movie ever and reys father or grandfather... Really???
@@jw1714because it did suck, he was literally right.
I can’t believe that the last Jedi is a 7/10 and Revenge of the sith is a 5/10
Uhm...
Yes there is? This is coming from a person who like ROTS more than TLJ. TLJ is much more introspective, has far better directing and acting, and better character arcs. I like ROTS more because it is easier to watch and a little more exciting, but this is more than fair. Chances are you watch a dumb reviewer like Critical Drinker who is super sexist and offensive and you just took his opinion.
@@theseel2718 The ability to speak does not make you intelligent.
@@bootyscratcher8959 I am sad now
But yeah I was kinda ranting. But still, this dude shouldn't get mad for Marcus liking something.
Are you threatening me TheSeel?
@@bootyscratcher8959 uhh no? When was that ever implied?
When I watched A New Hope and got to that octopus scene, I literally thought "Obligatory Dumb Star Wars Scene"
I think the worst scene was when Leia should clearly be dead in space, and then uses the force to get back on the ship..
Luke Goodman That scene should have been scrapped.
That’s nitpicking. If something like that is the worst part, then the movie is essentially a masterpiece.
No matter how much i like that movie, that scene will always be stupid
The idea of the scene is great, it should've been executed with much more gentle movements to make it not look weird. I still like it though.
I gotta admit my eyebrow was raised and my jaw started opening as that scene played out. I was shocked.
But it was fucking great. It was surprising and made the force exciting again. We had been getting hints that Leia was force sensitive. Plus she is a skywalker so it's not like it came out of nowhere.
My main complaint is that Rian Johnson threw away a lot of plot elements and ideas that JJ Abrams was setting up in The Force Awakens
Daniel A.
Episode ix still exists and jj is taking care of that
It doesnt mean that he isn't going to resolve them in the third one. They always knew there were going to be three of them so the presentation of events and character development is different. For example Kylo Ren not being a complete bad ass from the beginning.
how do you know he threw away plot elements. Lucasfilm has had a pretty solid idea of the direction that these films would take, in addition to the directors/writers, since before the force awakens began filming. JJ Abrams made his movie with a pretty good idea of what would happen in the plot of the last Jedi.
Stephen McNeil Rian Johnson tweeted, months before TLJ came out, that they had no story direction beyond TFA.
Jek yeah that's why I'm looking forward to it
This video is why you are my bee favorite channel. Thank you for always keeping it real. Signed- A Last Jedi fan.
Me: "This film is flawed but its alright... I didn't really lik-
People: "OMG IT'S JUST A MOVIE! OK MR> FILM CRITIC!!"
Me: "The Last Jedi was enjoyable and while it has flaws, I think it really-"
Same People: "OMG! YOU CLEARLY DON'T KNOW BAD WRITING WHEN YOU SEE IT!"
Hey, why DID kylo Ren turn to the dark side anyway. Dude got his friends together and killed all the other students
I disagree with you on multiple points...
But you're a cool reviewer, so I'll still watch more of your videos lol
I feel this way about a lot of his videos. I always come back for more though.
explain yourself
“You’re a mad star wars fan” is not invalid. If anything it’s more valid. Thinking that Luke’s change of character was a good idea is enough to let me know that this guy doesn’t care about star wars. Not even Mark Hamill liked it
I disliked this film because Fin sacrificing himself would have been a great conclusion but narratively his character arc would go nowhere. I agree with cosmo on that.
So it frustrates me that we got what we got. Its like the writers wrote themselves into a corner
@@daoyang223 Well, they really did. And to be honest their attempt at grey morality is much worse than the Imperial Remnant story arc they de-canonized to build the Sequels in the first place. Not only that, but the First Order is by this point so unthreatening and meatheaded in their endeavors that they make Palpatine look like a military genius.
THIS IS A STORY ABOUT SPACE WIZARDS THERE ARE NO RULES
*Litterly complains about the inquisitors using their lightsabers to fly*
Tiffany Hill get what your saying but he said it looked fucking stupid and ruins their credibility not that you can’t do it
Guys a moron sometimes.
he liked the movie dumb bitch
He didn’t complain about the rules of the flying lightsabers he just said it looked fucking stupid (which it does) The Hyperdrive scenes in this movie looked amazing.
Tiffany Hill yeah but the hyperdrive scene was explained in a book. While the inquisitors is just fucking dumb. You can not look at scenes with that and say it’s fine
When luke tried to kill a youngling it was is Skywalker DNA kicking in. Like father like son
Ranking the star wars films I've seen:
The phantom menace: 1/10
Attack of the clones: 4/10
A new hope: 10/10
The return of the jedi: 7/10
The force awakens: 7/10
The last jedi: 8/10
The rise of Skywalker: 4/10
Just saying... Imagine OT Luke, with only Obi Wan and Yoda as Jedi examples, suddenly finding out what happened in the Prequels. About the rest of the Jedi, how they failed to see the dark rise in front of them, and how they failed his father. And then realizing all you've been teaching your nephew about the force is probably wrong and he, strong with the dark side as his grandfather, could become the next Vader. I would have had a moment of doubt and weakness then, if I were him.
Darth Lily DUDE EXACTLY
imagine that being set up, but they didn't it comes off clunky
I like this perspective. It sheds even more light on Luke and offers considerations that flew by too fast for me to consider in detail.
jiin6 It's all implied, but Luke legit calls out how the Jedi Council failed to snuff out Darth Sidious before he grew to destroy the Jedi, because of their hubris and arrogance. It's implied that Luke knows that the Jedi are the architects of their own destruction through the rise of Sidious and Anakin's fall.
EXACTLY! In order to appreciate TLJ, one must appreciate the prequels in how they portrayed the Jedi as arrogant Elitists that failed to see the threat in front of them.
Poe-"Is there a plan?"
Holdo-"Yes"
*ROLL CREDITS*
1. The Empire Strikes Back- I don't think I need to explain myself with this one
2. Return of the Jedi- Yeah it is objectively the worst of the OT but the Luke/Vader plot line is my favorite thing in Star Wars, so there you go
3. A New Hope- Love it, but it's the lowest of the OT for me but still great
4. Rogue One- I freaking love the Rebellion and the Galactic Civil War, and this movie focuses on that big time. Yes, characters are lacking, but they're at least passable for me and I enjoy the story a lot
5. The Force Awakens- It's very very similar to New Hope, but that's okay for the kind of movie it is, and I really love the final product
6. The Rise of Skywalker- it's a big mess, but I love it nonetheless
7. Solo- Unnecessary, BUT not bad, and it goes toward the direction that I so badly want Star Wars to take
8. The Last Jedi- There's a lot I like, but for every 1 thing I like, there's 1 thing I do not like
9. Revenge of the Sith- It isn't as good as everyone says nowadays, and I can't really enjoy it
10- The Phantom Menace- I fell asleep last time I watched it, I'll let that speak for itself
11- Attack of the Clones- I was gonna make a joke about how bad it is, but the joke wouldn't be able to properly convey my severe distaste for this film
Every franchise has that one black sheep in it could be a quote to describe aotc
Same ranking
I feel the same way about Rise of Skywalker. A big mess of a movie, but I love it. It’s actually my favorite one in the Sequel trilogy.
People think Rian Johnson violated their childhood.
George Lucas: First time?
Mark Hamill has stated he was upset in the way Luke is portrayed in TLJ and made his feelings known to Rian Johnson. Mark knew this would cause some controversy and he was right.
Mark Hamill also said in the same interview that he was entirely willing to be proven wrong/change his mind about the direction Rian took his character. Mark was similarly weary about Luke's portrayal in TFW, but now loves how it turned out.
Except he is fine with it now
He was disappointed that Luke and Han never got a scene together in TFA he said it was a great opportunity missed and it was.
He didn't say he was upset about the portrayal but that he dissagreed with the direction, he even said that after he let rian johnson know that he disargreed he then told the director that since he got it off his chest he will portray the character as asked. He recognized and accepted that he had no control, he vented and then moved on.
Cheeseycurve 54, in cinema, they're not entirely different. Some of the best 'writing' for many characters was never actually written. For example; YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH. That was the actor, not the writer. "Here's looking at you, kid". Came from the actor off-stage. "Heeeeeeere's Johnny" is another improv from the actor. Same with "You talkin' to me?". Indiana Jones shooting the Swordsman was also Harrison Ford's suggestion. Originally he was going to actually fight with him. The final lines of Roy in Blade Runner were also improvised. Hannibal's hissing in Silence of the Lambs was improvised. The Joker clapping slowly and menacingly during Gordon's promotion in The Dark Knight Rises was also improvised. As was his pause while walking away from the hospital before it explodes. "Game over man" in Aliens was also ad libbed.
I could go on and on, but I think you get the point. Writers aren't the be-all-end-all of characters, and quite often the actors know the characters better than the writers. This is because actors have to get to intimately know the characters they portray, in order to actually portray them. Its hard to act as someone you don't understand, so they understand them. Writers often briefly think of the characters sporadically during writing. This isn't to say they don't think about the characters, but they've got to consider all the other characters as well, and the scenes the director wants in the movie, and the themes, and the plot as a whole, and a million other things.
For Hamil, who has lived knowing Luke Skywalker for many decades, and was told who the character is by his creator - George Lucas - I trust his judgement of who the character is far more than I trust a new writer brought on to write a movie that decides to change Luke's character to better fit the themes he wants in his movie. And Hamil was right. Johnson fundamentally didn't understand, or didn't care for, Luke's character. He had a different story he wanted to tell.
Unfortunately for him, a lot of fans DO care about Luke's character, and DON'T care about what Johnson was trying to do with the movie. You picked Star Wars, you do Star Wars. Do the reinventing with a new IP and/or character.
"The Last Jedi is the first Star Wars movie that does something different!!"
Me: *Points to the Revenge of the Sith*
Yeah like what Star Wars movie has kids getting murdered
*looks over uncomfortably at The Phantom Menace*
Me: *Points to Empire Strikes Back*
The movie has the Empire flat out win.
luke attempts to murder the padawan ben
I think he meant expectations, not a giant waste of time to detail one asshole’s rise to power.
Movies/Shows ranked
-Empire
-Mando
-Clone wars
-New hope
-Last jedi
-Solo
-Force awakens
-Return of the jedi
-rise of skywalker
-rouge one
-revenge of the sith
-attack of the clones
-phantom menace
Holy shit this is the best ranking I've ever seen
i would have to disagree on your ranking but wtv
I’d put ROS a bit lower but otherwise that’s pretty much perfect
My ranks of the Star Wars movies:
1. Empire Strikes Back (definitely the best one, there’s no doubt)
2. Return of the Jedi (I know, the Ewoks exist. But I don’t mind them, I still love the final battle and everything with Jabba)
3. Star Wars [A New Hope] (I always go back and forth between this and 6. But they are equal to me)
4. Revenge of the Sith (I know I’m an idiot, but I don’t care. Ian McDiarmid and Ewan McGregor are amazing, the dialogue sucks though)
5. Solo (It’s a Decent Movie, it has a horrible brightness, but it’s good for what it is)
6. Force Awakens (it’s also decent, though it is sorta ruined because of Rise of Skywalker)
7. Rogue One (It’s extremely boring to me, I nearly fell asleep. But the last 1/3 was good)
8. The Last Jedi (It has its good stuff, but the stuff with Poe and Canto Bight were trash as hell)
9. Attack of the Clones (I can at least laugh at most of the dumb stuff, and I thought the last 1/3 was decent.)
10. Rise of Skywalker (I’m sorry, the more and more I think about this movie, the more I hate it. This is easily the worst Star Wars movie Disney ever made)
11. Phantom Menace (Completely Horrible, bottom of the barrel garbage)
Almost perfect list, for me I'd swap attack of the clones and phantom. But that's just me.
putting the movie were Maul appears under the movie that destroied its whole saga is outrageous, is unfair
victory game no it’s not unfair, just get away from here
@@ffjreviews9029 No, I'll remain, I will do what I must
victory game you’ll do what you must, then you must get the hell outta here
Alright I gotta address the whole "Luke Skywalker was actually in character because he isn't perfect" excuse for his portrayal.
What is the point of a character arc? A character arc is something that's meant for the character to go through and learn from, a series of events that turns them into who they become as a person. The kinds of lessons that once they learned them, it comes back in future situations and shows how much they'd grown from their experiences.
To have a character repeat the SAME arc over and over and over again (like you complained about with Finn) essentially makes what they did prior pointless, as if they didn't learn anything from it and doesn't move the character forward.
So using that logic, how can you defend Luke's portrayal in this movie?
Let's go with some things established from Luke.. NOT TO DO WITH THE BOOKS(which I think was a wrong opinion).
People didn't want "Book Luke" they wanted Luke Skywalker.
Let's go over what Luke Skywalker accomplished in the MOVIES...
He had the 2nd most evil guy in the galaxy(his father) which he felt could be redeemed despite years and years and decades on The Dark Side.
In the face of the EMPEROR with his friends on a planet, and the galaxy on the brink, he was still willing to risk all of that to save his father and redeem him. The trilogy ALREADY established that Luke wasn't perfect(all of Empire Strikes Back), but that was a part of his growth as a character, even in Return of the Jedi, Luke tried to kill the Emperor before Vader intervened.
But the entire point was Luke after downing Vader came to the realization about something when he looked at Vader's hand and his own. He realized what those decisions could lead him down, finally learning his lessons, he threw away his Lightsaber and refused to fall. Finally learning what he was meant to learn to truly become a Jedi.
That is what makes the line "You've failed. I am a Jedi, like my father before me." mean so much.
And PALPATINE who has manipulated EVERYONE and is always willing to play the long game, realizes that Luke was incorruptible because of the lessons he'd learned and finally understood. This is why the Emperor then decided it was best to kill him.
BUT in the end, Luke was REWARDED for his faith in his father and his faith in his father's redemption because Vader did indeed turn from The Darkside and threw Emperor Palpatine down a shaft.
Luke Skywalker won over Vader from the man whom had been manipulating him since he was a child and kept him on the dark side for years.
THAT kind of "Reward" for your faith and your lessons learned is a VERY BIG REASON why people hate Luke's 'arc' in The Last Jedi.
Because someone who went through all of that and learned those lessons and arc and WAS REWARDED FOR THEM across and at the conclusion of the previous trilogy from a storywriting standpoint is NOT going to then go and have a "fleeting thought" to kill his nephew because he felt darkness in him...
Now had Luke FAILED to redeem Vader, it would be more understandable, because you could argue that Luke was afraid of 'failing' again and was contemplating not trying this time because he failed before.
BUT that was not the case... Luke SUCCEEDED and he was rewarded for his decision.
Because Luke succeeded there is NO REASON narrative wise that he would even have a fleeting thought of killing his OWN NEPHEW when he was the same person that had redeemed Vader who had been taken by the Emperor and was Dark side for DECADES before Luke came around.
So no, Luke having a 'fleeting moment' was not "Oh it means he isn't perfect, which is great!" it's bad storytelling and intentionally ignoring everything that came before it and the story arcs of the previous characters, and written as if the person that directed this movie never watched the previous Star Wars films and went into fanfiction mode.
And now that Daisy Ridley has revealed that JJ did in fact leave an outline for Episodes 8 and 9 that Rian Johnson just ignored, it makes Rian Johnson look worse as he tried to throw JJ under the bus by trying to excuse his crap execution in The Last Jedi by trying to say there wasn't an outline for future episodes after TFA. Which makes Rian Johnson looks like a pretentious lying [expletive] now who couldn't deal with the fact people had problems with his films and saw through his attempts to be 'smarter than everyone else in the room' but wound up screwing things up worse.
So no, Luke's arc isn't "good" because it proves Luke isn't perfect, it was established through 3 previous films that Luke wasn't perfect, but when HE LEARNED and made his final decision on Vader and against The Emperor that was his arc, that was his crowning moment, that's what defined him as a character..
To out and out ignore that and try to say "oh it's just to prove Luke isn't perfect" no.. it's a betrayal to Luke's character and the arcs he already went through and just lazy writing by someone that needed a conflict so he wrote Luke Skywalker out of character in order to create one. And writing an ESTABLISHED character, out of character just so you can make a certain conflict happen is the kind of things you see in bad fan fiction. Which is precisely what The Last Jedi is imo.
carrastealth remember that scene in episode 6 where Luke loses his cool and just went ballistic on Vader out of rage? Yeah he totally seems perfect. That scene was to show that Luke is human and in TLJ it's also there to remind us of that. Every fan probably wanted luke to cut down stormtroopers and fight the entire first order by himself or some dumb shit but in reality his character just wants to die because of all the pressure. It's natural for a human to feel this way regardless of how much he or she has gone through in the past because people change sometimes for the worst and that's what the Last Jedi is showing us. Imo it's realistic and natural.
But in the end Luke learns that even though he can't really do all that shit that the fans want him to he at least tries at the end. He gives kylo the benefit of "killing" him but that was to show the world how much of a monster kylo is and to try and apologize for all that he's done
And even though Mark Hamill disagreed with the way his character was written he ended up loving the message and saying that everyone did an amazing job with the film and now he probably doesn't even mind that much that his character wasn't this powerful god that can magically solve the worlds problems (why is that?) Oh yeah...because he's a human with emotions and feelings
That entire diatribe you wrote was already addressed in my comment ;)
"But the entire point was Luke after downing Vader came to the realization about something when he looked at Vader's hand and his own. He realized what those decisions could lead him down, finally learning his lessons, he threw away his Lightsaber and refused to fall. Finally learning what he was meant to learn to truly become a Jedi.
That is what makes the line "You've failed. I am a Jedi, like my father before me." mean so much.
And PALPATINE who has manipulated EVERYONE and is always willing to play the long game, realizes that Luke was incorruptible because of the lessons he'd learned and finally understood. This is why the Emperor then decided it was best to kill him.
BUT in the end, Luke was REWARDED for his faith in his father and his faith in his father's redemption because Vader did indeed turn from The Darkside and threw Emperor Palpatine down a shaft.
Luke Skywalker won over Vader from the man whom had been manipulating him since he was a child and kept him on the dark side for years.
THAT kind of "Reward" for your faith and your lessons learned is a VERY BIG REASON why people hate Luke's 'arc' in The Last Jedi.
Because someone who went through all of that and learned those lessons and arc and WAS REWARDED FOR THEM across and at the conclusion of the previous trilogy from a storywriting standpoint is NOT going to then go and have a "fleeting thought" to kill his nephew because he felt darkness in him...
Now had Luke FAILED to redeem Vader, it would be more understandable, because you could argue that Luke was afraid of 'failing' again and was contemplating not trying this time because he failed before.
BUT that was not the case... Luke SUCCEEDED and he was rewarded for his decision.
Because Luke succeeded there is NO REASON narrative wise that he would even have a fleeting thought of killing his OWN NEPHEW when he was the same person that had redeemed Vader who had been taken by the Emperor and was Dark side for DECADES before Luke came around.
So no, Luke having a 'fleeting moment' was not "Oh it means he isn't perfect, which is great!" it's bad storytelling and intentionally ignoring everything that came before it and the story arcs of the previous characters, and written as if the person that directed this movie never watched the previous Star Wars films and went into fanfiction mode. "
Very good arguments i totally agree op
Alain Demren, I don't think he made that. It's a map to the temple pulled from the archives of the Empire.
carrastealth Yeah, people learn from their experiences, but Luke didn’t just sense darkness in Kylo, he saw a vision of him murdering the people he cared about “Snoke had already turned his heart, He would bring destruction, and pain, and death and the end of everything I loved because of what he will become. And for the briefest moment of PURE INSTINCT I thought I could stop it, it passed like a fleeting shadow.” What happens is COMPLETELY true to Luke’s character! Just take return of the Jedi for example, the entire movie Luke believes that he can turn Vader and that there is still good in him. Just the fact that Vader says he will turn Leia to the dark side makes Luke go off and chop off Vader’s hand in a fit of rage, now picture Luke looking into Ben’s head, he literally SAW him kill people he cared about (you can hear the sound of lightsabers and screams), now if any normal person were to see that, Ben would have been lunch meat. But Luke knows that killing him isn’t the right thing to do because he learned that and is ashamed of himself right after activating his lightsaber, unfortunately for Luke Ben had already woken up and the damage had been done. What you’re saying is that Luke shouldn’t have even thought about killing Ben because he had learned that that isn’t right, which is REALLY reaching and making it sound like Luke can’t make human mistakes and have moments of weakness like this one. To say he wouldn’t actually do something is one thing, but to say that he wouldn’t EVEN think about doing something is another. Luke was obviously emotionally unstable after looking inside of Ben (there were tears in his eyes) it would make perfect sense for him to feel contempt and anger and vengeance after seeing what Ben would do, those are very powerful emotions and can make even the best of us make the worst mistakes. Luke didn’t even go through with the act and just considered it for a second, comparing Luke’s reaction to when Vader just threatened to do something, and Luke’s reaction when he saw horrible things happen to the people he loved, I think it’s pretty loyal to his character and at the same time shows that he learned that isn’t the right way to go about the situation. It’s a VERY human thing to be overtaken by thoughts of wanting revenge after witnessing the things Luke witnessed. Luke isn’t perfect and isn’t protected from vengeful and hateful thoughts.
the thing that is incredible is that pretty much everyting that he liked about the movie (and that i liked too) were completely oblirated and shit on in the rise of skywalker and everything that everyone like in the old movies was shit on too in ROS just simply incredible
The sequel trilogy is terrible for a reason, i blame the directors for making a rey a mary sue ultimately ruined the sequel trilogy.
@@redjaygaming9757 all Star Wars protagonists are good at stuff, and at least they gave a reason for her talents
@@redjaygaming9757 bruh people need to stop using Mary Sue as a way to say bad character. Rey’s character arc is absent making her poorly written but she isn’t a Mary Sue.
The Last Jedi was made for Disney fans, not for Star Wars fans. That's it.
@@guruxara7994 no
The Rise of Skywalker made me appreciate The Last Jedi.
The comment section doesn’t understand what they did with Luke and it shows. A consistent theme with the prequels was we saw the Jedi weren’t as godly as we thought. Throughout even the clone wars tv show, you saw how the Jedi weren’t the peacekeepers we thought. They became corrupt, thinking only one way was right. This is prevalent in how they refused to trust anakin and lied to him, resulting in him being manipulated and turned to Vader. The Jedi were supposed to be peace keepers but allowed power to shift them and became the same as the sith, users of the force who twist it to suits their beliefs and ideals. It’s like having Buddhist monks fight in a war, you went wrong with your peacekeeping methods somewhere. Luke actually realizes this, he realizes the Jedi weren’t as godly as they were meant out to be and were as corrupt as the sith. After his situation with kylo, he realized that the Jedi and even him were being corrupted by their old ways and that they allowed violence to distill them. Luke giving into temptation and fighting kylo also made sense because he had fallen to the dark side in ROTJ, and no this is not a black and white situation. You can’t be on one side or the other, your able to be in a gray area. Just because Luke was able to reject it, doesn’t mean he couldn’t fall again. If you refuse temptation once. Doesn’t make you immune to it again. Luke actually becomes the best character he can be in the movie. By studying the ancient Jedi texts, meeting someone who has force potential like him but was free from Jedi influence, and even a conversation with yoda. He’s able to figure out what a Jedi really is. When he faces kylo, he does so without violence. He never harms a single person on the planet, he wins through peace not violence and he dies knowing that he can rest peacefully due to it. Luke shows that when your at your worst, it could be a necessary path to being your best and he becomes the best Jedi.
I LOVE that after Luke arrives on Crait, not a single person dies on either side except himself. THAT is what a Jedi should do, stop a battle with as little violence and bloodshed as possible. Jedi aren't pacifists, but they shouldn't be generals or soldiers.