Don't forget about sojourn, they had to make the game completely unbalanced to not have those two rule the meta again. Still can't take a break from Ashe/tracer/echo though
@@tiredpapi I think she is fine now. I no longer find Suzu annoying and her healing output now is kinda low. What she needs now is her kunai projectile to be reduced, her tp needs line of sight, her tp should have a longer cooldown and suzu. And suzu should not be able to heal. If the devs do this then she will be balanced.
@@artimist0315 I think tracer being a top tier hero at all times is completely fine since she is much higher skill floor and very unique/hard to pick up. Also, I don’t think Ashe has been this good for a very long time.
DVA is so overtuned right now. She can pretty much dive all the time with little chance of being punished because she can just delete a squishy. She also doesn't have to worry about positioning as much with matrix being up all the time. Idk what they were thinking
14:20 From a junkrat player, there was no better way to summarize junkrat situation can how Karq said it here. Props to him for that one. Playing junkrat as of rn its literaly "good luck trying to contest that"
I’m a silver junkrat player, and every match I somehow end up countering their dva. They also always play Genji, and I roll him. Junkrat is still viable in the lower ranks.
@@NickPlazma I am on high plat, low diamond. And I can tell you, as soon as you reach gold and ppl start to know how to work against junk, good luck dealing with that.
As a plat Junkrat OTP with 500h, he never felt so miserable. The only way to make him work is by spamming from a safe place with a bit of luck. Airshots, combos, hell even trap are not as dangerous to fight against as before. And lets not talk about his counters that are almost half of the tanks, 75% of the dps, and hell even supps can counter him. I would not recommand starting to play Junkrat on this season but since hes one of the most hated OW heroes (check the Blizzard official profile they did him dirty for the lifeguard skin thing) so they probably wont change it because he works in low lobbies, where his utility is basically "win by using your enemies skill issue"
Echo copy also feels super good on Doomfist now with the extra shields he gets. Not that Doom is super good right now, but in my ranks, they'll pick him anyway so I'll take advantage.
As someone who’s played DVA since season 25 of ow1 , she’s definitely over buffed right now and is the best rank for sure. However, any tank is still really annoying to play because of counterswapping. The amount of games where you get 2-3 counter swaps and just have to sustain / play extremely passively.
I hate how current Armor really limits what heroes are viable. Literally am stuck to playing only the heroes with more bursty damage. If they made Armor have a minimum dmg reduction threshold of 20% and a maximum dmg reduction threshold of 40%, I'd like that more.
Ive been trying so hard to get the mauga pixel spray achievement for months now but i just cannot get enough healing or damage from the teammates and enemies i use it on, and now its just completely impossible
@@TaviRawrthat’s why mauga is so bad this season, he takes up all the healing resources and still ends up dying like a giant ult battery. Especially with the way dva is I just kinda lose a bit of hope when my tank insists on going mauga
i love new tank update , as dps player i haven’t played tank for 6 months because tank were shi before , but after this update i am having fun playing tank for first time .
Just revert the armor changes and go back to 30% flat damage reduction, easier to understand and easier to balance. I still don't understand why they went with this fucking ass change in mid season 10, now so many heroes are just DEAD because of this
i think hog good, mauga niche but viable. i play both. i think people sleeping on ram. he is absolutely terrible after the nerfs. even worse than before.
To put Pharah back in her place they need to reduce the projectile speed on her primary fire. They've been buffed and buffed to move faster, and they never made it any slower after also buffing its damage and radius.
i feel like zen is slightly slept on... the heal orb on tank with discord on oppo really does swing fights... at very least forcing the other tank back tracer, soldier even sombra arent as prevalent as they used to be and ana brig bap are pretty good at helping zen survive not saying hes A or anything because u still get punsihed the crap out of if u slightly miss position, if he had thay exyra 25hp or so back then maybe
Give Junkrat his combo shot back so he can be a niche pick again. Making him unplayable is stupid. He was NEVER OP when he had his combo shot. He’s easy to counter. It’s time to let Junkrat be Junkrat again. He only has 5 shots for crying out loud!
I feel like zen deserves to be up a tier higher or two, yes he does way less damage against tanks but you can kinda just stick discord on the enemy tank to enable your tank to win the 1v1, then just ignore them and pressure their backline. Ive found it really effective to just leave discord on the tank to kinda force them to play more defensively and kill everybody else while theyre busy dealing with our tank
i have ran into alot of mercy pocketed roadhogs/dvas and those hurt like hell. even when countering with mauga/zarya, if you dont have a zen or ana to anti nade they just survive everything and can get away with murder.
Yeah the mauga bait was so obnoxious. 3 seconds on his primary sustain is a massive (and admittedly warranted) nerf. I kinda want to see them do more with charge? If he was like a charge in, do your dirt and overwhelm kind of character he might be a lot more fun? Like fighting a rein with guns.
Lw still needs buffs BUT he’s the best his been, cuz his good with all top heroes, Good w/ Ana(protecting her like brig), Good w/ Illary(Offense & defense balance), good w/ Echo(allowing her to be aggressive), Good w/ DVA(Saving her mini form and securing a remount), and finally pretty good VS Dva easily saving teammates from bomb and even being able to petal it up
As a LW main I feel I can finally heal tanks, before it was impossible to heal and save them but rn I feel that I can at least make them stay in the fight for a little longer
Disagree about mauga. Sure cardiac is weaker when looking at team benefits but mauga himself benefits a lot. He’s a selfish character anyways so I say it’s a buff🤷♂️
That’s the Y reticule rotated a bit. I only play pharah so I use the same one but rotated exactly 45 degrees so it makes like half of a cross w/ the 45 degree line in the bottom left. It placebos me into shooting better rockets lol
Not a bad list but you're on some kind of crack to be putting Ana in S tier... She enables her kaiju and brig is decent to pair yes BUT... - overnerfed sleep dart can't stop enemy tanks especially ball - invalidated into dva - invalidated by kiri - bad into winston - bad into tracer - bad into sigma - bad into ball (relating to sleep dart) - burst insanely fast by pharah and echo - all her best matchups are down in the bottom tiers I don't know what youre smoking but having her anywhere above B+ is crazy talk While we're on the topic - cree is a tier too high, that range nerf gut him - pharah is a tier too low, not S but still insane especially with cree nerf - sombra is a tier too low, still oppressive to supports and deletes tanks in a tank meta - ball is a tier too low, to the point I'd consider swapping him and winston or at least both A+. Downright unstoppable unless you've got cass and sombra, preferably with discord too - mercy tier too low. She's far from the strongest support but considering how free her ashe/echo/pharah pocket is as well as the kaiju rez chance and potential damage boost on said kaiju its more value than the suggested C tier suggests - probably consider swapping JQ and Rein tiers. JQ gets a shed load of lifesteal now and Rein getting a little extra shield really hasn't made much difference and still needs a lucio to be remotely effective
Orisa is pretty good: when the enemy Ana terrorizes you, and Zarya isn’t working, Orisa can go real hard. A few more microbuffs and the Horse-meta would be back.
Would love to see a time lapse of these tier lists to really capture how frequently the overwatch experience changes. As a casual player, keeping up with these changes is exhausting (and without these videos I'd be lost); my understanding of the game becomes outdated every couple of months, so I can't just hop on and enjoy as easily.
I honestly miss the content drought so much. Playing a consistent, learnable game with few major changes was the shit, every game felt even and winnable by playing correctly. The ADHD kids would lose their shit without the game being brand new every two weeks though so we get constant chaos instead:/
@@seanschmeeckle6606 Haha agreed. I think the constant balance changes might also be reflective of a dev team that's unsure of what their game is supposed to be. Could also be the nature of an e-sports game that constantly adds new heroes (compared to something like counter strike or rocket league).
This game reminds me of an untreated tooth decay. Slowly over time it has just eaten itself away. The developers are doing everything they can to maintain but it seems that they have forgotten why they were great. How many more videos do we need of people shamelessly cheating in Grand Masters? Yet instead they spend on trying to make certain characters "META"? All memes aside I hope they can truly figure out how to stop this madness. It's hard for these new content creators on TH-camrs to pump out content if the game isn't quite finished. I just hope one season the Overwatch team can try to stop pleasing the people and face the truth and fix the initial underlying issues even if it takes time 😢
Buff idea for rat, give him more ammo and give him an alt fire similar to dredge from paladins (basically junkrat but it’s a ghost pirate). He shoots three of the bombs at once but take longer to detonate
This is the first ow2 patch that's caused me to put the game down. Hoping they tone down the tanks next season. When does the marvel OverWatch clone come out?
As someone who plays DVA she has become Godzilla ripping apart the supports. Biggest change is the mauga cardiac overdrive rework makes DM and DVA literally the best brawl and dive tank. Can literally 1v1 mauga
Your reviews are the most objective balanced out there. Love these vids and click on them first all the time. Keep it up! You should do more vids like specific counters or team comps. Defo be up for learning more!
yeah now mauga e has too much cd on his e maybe if they nerfed the dr back down by 10% and his lifesteal to 80% and then the cooldown to 9 seconds or make it a toggle to 50% lifesteal no damage reduction and just a resource meter
Haven't finished the video, idk if she's meta or not but I saw A LOT of widow during the Juno trial. I haven't played this season outside of the creator patch, pickable passives, and Juno trial bc my mains feel unrewarding. So my knowledge on what has become meta since midseason is non existent. Watching CC's, I've seen a lot of different characters being played.
Good to finally see someone that understands the Mauga change. 3 seconds duration makes it hard to get maximum value out of it, even if the effects are better. That being said I don't want Mauga to be as low as C tier because he's one of the few characters that keeps hog in check imo, and this nerf probably makes him worse in that regard too. As long as he's not A or S tier (maybe even B), he's fine imo.
Sojourn is like 2/3 changes away from being perfectly healthy but not overtuned First they should lower E cooldown from 15 > 12 or even 10 since it no longer slows (that's why it was an absurd cooldown. because it used to CC...) Then buff the recovery on rail to something a bit absurd like .15 seconds and have rail instantly reset your weapon spread. With that? Both ends should be happy. She has more uptime and more stable damage potential with buffed smg + orb. She won't feel as forced to hit the rail due to less downtime when missed. But her overall burst damage is more in line with season 9 health changes
Her current issue is she has to have >50% rail charge to win any real 1v1 and that rail has to be a headshot. Because if you miss you have ~.7 seconds of down time before you can shoot after. They could also increase her ammo count along with this since she's just going to be shooting more but I think rail recovery and faster E would probably be enough.
As I Dva main I'm so happy she's finally fun again after 2 years of being a fucking snooze fest. Stripping tank synergies for her ult and the existence of Zarya in a 1 tank world has made her suck and now I can finally play her again without wanting to pull my hair out
I honestly think cass absolutely needs to be higher placed, the fact that he cam dictate basically when you can play heroes like tracer is extremely stupid, his shots are to easy to hit and he's wayyy too tanky, if the reverted his projectile size and health pool then he would be placed fine but as he is now he's just to easy for the massive value he actually brings in.
4:24 i kinda just disagree. i get dva could eat the entirety of cardiac now, and theres loads of counterplay as simple as walk behind wall. I think that as the mauga, you can counter, counters, if you can track abilities well enough, and predict enemy decisions, and use slam to negate any stuns, stun the dva eating (if she moves, i slam backline with cardiac). I totally agree that at the highest levels of online play, hes probably C tier like you said, but I think that his raw power now, is enough to call him atleast b- in a lot of ranks/matches, and I think it goes up to higher ranked matches than you think.
You could make that arguement for most heroes no? Obviously if you excel at a hero you'll be able to play around counters and shutdown abilities. If you know and play mauga well you'll perform above the 'niche' tier but that can be said for most heros
Mauga was def nerfed. Didn't seem like a nerf, it was super scary to see what he'd be capable of. But feels like it used to be a fortify that lasts for a big portion, now it's like, a short ability like JQ's slash instead.
I can’t believe they nerfed phara so hard, health drop, boop doesn’t even damage unless its direct.. and she still can’t 2 shot direct unless she has a mercy pocket still.. just because a bunch of gold hit-scans cant hit their shots, absolute joke
Question KarQ (II hope you see this), any chance you can delves into counterplay options for meta lists? It's great to know what's generally best at winning... but for lower ranks it would help if there was some pointers to help alleviate or survive strong heroes that you are going against. Especially since lower ranks aren't great at adapting.
As someone who’s returning to the game now after around a year, I’m having problems going against Mauga, but since you said he isn’t even that strong, how can he be countered? Does anyone have some tips? I main Doom on tank, Genji/Hanzo/Tracer on dps and Kiriko/Ana on supp
@@commentbot9510People overreact with sym against tanks these days. Especially with the powercrept tanks nowadays and the concept of ”tankbusters” is all long gone. Reaper and sym arent that anymore.
I think you’re massively overrating Pharah, the loss of the conc explosive damage was understated by a lot of people, and she now struggles more than usual at any range because of her health.
I've never had less fun in this game as a tank player since the last patch. It's ironic how most tank buffs don't matter at all the second the enemy goes Dva and you have no other choice than to mirror her or go Zarya (who isn't nearly as good as Dva but at least isn't hard countered by her like everyone else). And what did Blizzard do in the hotfix? Nerf Lúcio
overall, I dont have much problems with the rankings, I feel theyre fairly accurate to the current state of the game. Sombra is not equal to sym and torb. she is definitely stronger. not saying sym or torb should drop either, I think sombra should move up one singular tier.
I'm still convinced Blizzard doesn't understand armor in their own game and never considers the knock-on effect of the changes they implement. For example, they hardly buff Orisa but then also make the blanket armor change which nerfs Orisa quite a bit. They just adjust a number and call it a day.
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Agree
Agreed
yuh I've been going crazy with her
She’s annoying to play against
Agreed, needs a cd nerf
This has got to be the lowest Kiriko has been since her release
Don't forget about sojourn, they had to make the game completely unbalanced to not have those two rule the meta again. Still can't take a break from Ashe/tracer/echo though
as soon as I started maining kiriko 😢
Crazy to think shes still B+
@@tiredpapi I think she is fine now. I no longer find Suzu annoying and her healing output now is kinda low. What she needs now is her kunai projectile to be reduced, her tp needs line of sight, her tp should have a longer cooldown and suzu. And suzu should not be able to heal. If the devs do this then she will be balanced.
@@artimist0315 I think tracer being a top tier hero at all times is completely fine since she is much higher skill floor and very unique/hard to pick up. Also, I don’t think Ashe has been this good for a very long time.
DVA is so overtuned right now. She can pretty much dive all the time with little chance of being punished because she can just delete a squishy. She also doesn't have to worry about positioning as much with matrix being up all the time. Idk what they were thinking
ya, as a Dva main... its WAY to easy to wreck
Have to throw a line to crying tank players
Ruined the game for me
14:20 From a junkrat player, there was no better way to summarize junkrat situation can how Karq said it here. Props to him for that one. Playing junkrat as of rn its literaly "good luck trying to contest that"
I’m a silver junkrat player, and every match I somehow end up countering their dva. They also always play Genji, and I roll him. Junkrat is still viable in the lower ranks.
@@NickPlazma I am on high plat, low diamond. And I can tell you, as soon as you reach gold and ppl start to know how to work against junk, good luck dealing with that.
@@Lucigu888_OW I’m a low gold Lucio, and now that you mention it, when I play against a Junkrat, they always perform pretty poorly.
As a plat Junkrat OTP with 500h, he never felt so miserable. The only way to make him work is by spamming from a safe place with a bit of luck. Airshots, combos, hell even trap are not as dangerous to fight against as before. And lets not talk about his counters that are almost half of the tanks, 75% of the dps, and hell even supps can counter him. I would not recommand starting to play Junkrat on this season but since hes one of the most hated OW heroes (check the Blizzard official profile they did him dirty for the lifeguard skin thing) so they probably wont change it because he works in low lobbies, where his utility is basically "win by using your enemies skill issue"
@@junno7247 I had his lifeguard skin before blizzard made another. I’m upset about it because I’m getting the battle pass soon.
Man as a Soldier player, Dva is making our life hell this patch!!!
same with doomfist here
Shes makes life hell for every DPS, I swear
@@aylinncuteasfOnly DPS that doesn't suffer as much as the others is tracer. And it's still painful.
Lowkey, symettra can curb stomp lower rank tank meta
Had to pick up Mei again to deal with Dva
“i’m flanking 👹” 😭😭😭
woulda been cool to see a juno speculation placement for funs
Would be around B or B+
@@tes_kirito4281 the first hero to be balanced on release😭
@@ley_0304 JQ? Ram?
@@kamay7021 they are not balanced at all if you played any games at that times.
@@kamay7021Ram was busted Jq sucked
Another day , another patch , and hanzo/genji still suffering
karq do you want me to just show you how to pirate the adobe suite
Lmao
yooooo, show me
Echo copy also feels super good on Doomfist now with the extra shields he gets. Not that Doom is super good right now, but in my ranks, they'll pick him anyway so I'll take advantage.
I got 2 doom ults in one copy. it's peak gameplay
Tanks are so OP right now that even with nerfed health, Echo's tank copies in general have become S tier imo. I've been getting so much value from it.
With dva being so viable, I feel like even with the underwhelming zarya “buffs” she’s still a solid pick if the map isn’t too demanding
Hot Take: B.O.B. with tank passive is interesting, but if he's gonna keep it he should lose the DPS passive.
the crazy change with the bob tank passive is, that the sleep isn't that effective against him anymore, it's kinda useless
Echo beam feels pretty underwhelming lately but she’s so great in other areas I’m thinking it may have just been overtuned before
As someone who’s played DVA since season 25 of ow1 , she’s definitely over buffed right now and is the best rank for sure. However, any tank is still really annoying to play because of counterswapping. The amount of games where you get 2-3 counter swaps and just have to sustain / play extremely passively.
Ah yes, the SABBBCD scale. KarQ, there are more letters in the alphabet!
I hate how current Armor really limits what heroes are viable. Literally am stuck to playing only the heroes with more bursty damage.
If they made Armor have a minimum dmg reduction threshold of 20% and a maximum dmg reduction threshold of 40%, I'd like that more.
Ive been trying so hard to get the mauga pixel spray achievement for months now but i just cannot get enough healing or damage from the teammates and enemies i use it on, and now its just completely impossible
I try to heal Mauga on Ana and it feels impossible. Like he EATS damage
@@TaviRawrthat’s why mauga is so bad this season, he takes up all the healing resources and still ends up dying like a giant ult battery. Especially with the way dva is I just kinda lose a bit of hope when my tank insists on going mauga
i love dva. but i will be honest, why nerf zarya when not nerfing dva missiles?
yeah.. Im a dva main, and still hate how much they buffed her, it just makes her way to easy :/
i love new tank update , as dps player i haven’t played tank for 6 months because tank were shi before , but after this update i am having fun playing tank for first time .
Just revert the armor changes and go back to 30% flat damage reduction, easier to understand and easier to balance. I still don't understand why they went with this fucking ass change in mid season 10, now so many heroes are just DEAD because of this
THANK YOU for bringing the Mauga thing up, people have been so ignorant and smugly arrogant about his state in the meta with that damn tiktok meme.
Hog, Orisa, Mauga all bad. Best tank meta ever!!
i think hog good, mauga niche but viable. i play both. i think people sleeping on ram. he is absolutely terrible after the nerfs. even worse than before.
To put Pharah back in her place they need to reduce the projectile speed on her primary fire.
They've been buffed and buffed to move faster, and they never made it any slower after also buffing its damage and radius.
Or give them falloff. The fact that she can just spam from crazy distances is nuts.
Nah pharah been trash for too long. She need to be op for atleast 5 seasons.
Just make her projectiles explote and certain range like Venture or Sigma
@@dmwanderer9454 nah ATM pharah only good with a mercy. 25 hp was enough.
i feel like zen is slightly slept on... the heal orb on tank with discord on oppo really does swing fights... at very least forcing the other tank back
tracer, soldier even sombra arent as prevalent as they used to be and ana brig bap are pretty good at helping zen survive
not saying hes A or anything because u still get punsihed the crap out of if u slightly miss position, if he had thay exyra 25hp or so back then maybe
Give Junkrat his combo shot back so he can be a niche pick again. Making him unplayable is stupid. He was NEVER OP when he had his combo shot. He’s easy to counter. It’s time to let Junkrat be Junkrat again. He only has 5 shots for crying out loud!
Last time I was this early, role queue was still a myth
I feel like zen deserves to be up a tier higher or two, yes he does way less damage against tanks but you can kinda just stick discord on the enemy tank to enable your tank to win the 1v1, then just ignore them and pressure their backline. Ive found it really effective to just leave discord on the tank to kinda force them to play more defensively and kill everybody else while theyre busy dealing with our tank
I miss one shotting with Hanzo...
seeing hog and mauga at the bottom makes me so happy
aw yeah lets go new KarQ vid
i have ran into alot of mercy pocketed roadhogs/dvas and those hurt like hell. even when countering with mauga/zarya, if you dont have a zen or ana to anti nade they just survive everything and can get away with murder.
If they’re being pocketed by a mercy for HEALS, then they should be losing automatically
the 3 second DM already felt good, so that extra half second is definitely overkill 💀
Yeah the mauga bait was so obnoxious. 3 seconds on his primary sustain is a massive (and admittedly warranted) nerf.
I kinda want to see them do more with charge? If he was like a charge in, do your dirt and overwhelm kind of character he might be a lot more fun? Like fighting a rein with guns.
Lw still needs buffs BUT he’s the best his been, cuz his good with all top heroes, Good w/ Ana(protecting her like brig), Good w/ Illary(Offense & defense balance), good w/ Echo(allowing her to be aggressive), Good w/ DVA(Saving her mini form and securing a remount), and finally pretty good VS Dva easily saving teammates from bomb and even being able to petal it up
Took him the whole season 10 almost all of s11 to find out dva is the most broken hero in the game , all the golds knew that since s10
Echo got hit hard by the tank armor changes and has a lot of trouble with dva… still strong but I don’t think s
Funny how the meta tank is good against the meta dps/support
😮The most obnoxious tank is OP?... You don't say. 😐 I'm not even remotely surprised. Dva has always been ridiculous.
As a LW main I feel I can finally heal tanks, before it was impossible to heal and save them but rn I feel that I can at least make them stay in the fight for a little longer
Dvas op as shit rn mauga comp wasnt even this annoying
Wait, BOB has the DPS and Tank passives? Why???
Cuz Ashe has the dps passive and turrets get the passive as well
You are joking with the ball placement again
WHAT WAS THAT SIGMA CROSSHAIR 😭
Disagree about mauga. Sure cardiac is weaker when looking at team benefits but mauga himself benefits a lot. He’s a selfish character anyways so I say it’s a buff🤷♂️
At about 7:55 with the Sigma on screen: Hey yo...how do you get an asymmetrical reticule? Been wanting that for a very, very long time now.
That’s the Y reticule rotated a bit. I only play pharah so I use the same one but rotated exactly 45 degrees so it makes like half of a cross w/ the 45 degree line in the bottom left. It placebos me into shooting better rockets lol
“ I’m Flanking” 😂😂😂
Im happy to see Ball doing well after such a rough time in ow2, and mauga needs to STAY in C
torbjorn underrated… him and mauga’s ult = hot pot!! let him cook
Symmetra a B tier hero but an S tier Gyatt
ATP any tank bellow S is gonna get a buff cuz that’s how blizz sees things💀
Rip Shimada brothers
Not a bad list but you're on some kind of crack to be putting Ana in S tier...
She enables her kaiju and brig is decent to pair yes BUT...
- overnerfed sleep dart can't stop enemy tanks especially ball
- invalidated into dva
- invalidated by kiri
- bad into winston
- bad into tracer
- bad into sigma
- bad into ball (relating to sleep dart)
- burst insanely fast by pharah and echo
- all her best matchups are down in the bottom tiers
I don't know what youre smoking but having her anywhere above B+ is crazy talk
While we're on the topic
- cree is a tier too high, that range nerf gut him
- pharah is a tier too low, not S but still insane especially with cree nerf
- sombra is a tier too low, still oppressive to supports and deletes tanks in a tank meta
- ball is a tier too low, to the point I'd consider swapping him and winston or at least both A+. Downright unstoppable unless you've got cass and sombra, preferably with discord too
- mercy tier too low. She's far from the strongest support but considering how free her ashe/echo/pharah pocket is as well as the kaiju rez chance and potential damage boost on said kaiju its more value than the suggested C tier suggests
- probably consider swapping JQ and Rein tiers. JQ gets a shed load of lifesteal now and Rein getting a little extra shield really hasn't made much difference and still needs a lucio to be remotely effective
Orisa is pretty good: when the enemy Ana terrorizes you, and Zarya isn’t working, Orisa can go real hard. A few more microbuffs and the Horse-meta would be back.
Would love to see a time lapse of these tier lists to really capture how frequently the overwatch experience changes. As a casual player, keeping up with these changes is exhausting (and without these videos I'd be lost); my understanding of the game becomes outdated every couple of months, so I can't just hop on and enjoy as easily.
I honestly miss the content drought so much. Playing a consistent, learnable game with few major changes was the shit, every game felt even and winnable by playing correctly. The ADHD kids would lose their shit without the game being brand new every two weeks though so we get constant chaos instead:/
@@seanschmeeckle6606 Haha agreed. I think the constant balance changes might also be reflective of a dev team that's unsure of what their game is supposed to be. Could also be the nature of an e-sports game that constantly adds new heroes (compared to something like counter strike or rocket league).
This game reminds me of an untreated tooth decay. Slowly over time it has just eaten itself away.
The developers are doing everything they can to maintain but it seems that they have forgotten why they were great.
How many more videos do we need of people shamelessly cheating in Grand Masters? Yet instead they spend on trying to make certain characters "META"?
All memes aside I hope they can truly figure out how to stop this madness. It's hard for these new content creators on TH-camrs to pump out content if the game isn't quite finished.
I just hope one season the Overwatch team can try to stop pleasing the people and face the truth and fix the initial underlying issues even if it takes time 😢
Buff idea for rat, give him more ammo and give him an alt fire similar to dredge from paladins (basically junkrat but it’s a ghost pirate). He shoots three of the bombs at once but take longer to detonate
Cassidy completely unplayable - terrible nerfs!
This is the first ow2 patch that's caused me to put the game down. Hoping they tone down the tanks next season. When does the marvel OverWatch clone come out?
You need to check supports based on ranks at the moment. It's all bap lucio/sigma winston.
As someone who plays DVA she has become Godzilla ripping apart the supports. Biggest change is the mauga cardiac overdrive rework makes DM and DVA literally the best brawl and dive tank. Can literally 1v1 mauga
Your reviews are the most objective balanced out there. Love these vids and click on them first all the time. Keep it up! You should do more vids like specific counters or team comps. Defo be up for learning more!
yeah now mauga e has too much cd on his e maybe if they nerfed the dr back down by 10% and his lifesteal to 80% and then the cooldown to 9 seconds or make it a toggle to 50% lifesteal no damage reduction and just a resource meter
Haven't finished the video, idk if she's meta or not but I saw A LOT of widow during the Juno trial. I haven't played this season outside of the creator patch, pickable passives, and Juno trial bc my mains feel unrewarding. So my knowledge on what has become meta since midseason is non existent. Watching CC's, I've seen a lot of different characters being played.
Good to finally see someone that understands the Mauga change. 3 seconds duration makes it hard to get maximum value out of it, even if the effects are better. That being said I don't want Mauga to be as low as C tier because he's one of the few characters that keeps hog in check imo, and this nerf probably makes him worse in that regard too. As long as he's not A or S tier (maybe even B), he's fine imo.
Karq carrying my ranked games each tierlist
What does that even mean
@@guinea_horn pick the S tier or A tier heroes, and avoid to use C and D tier heroes.
@@guinea_horntake a guess
Junker queen feels like you either dominante or get absolutely destroyed
6:50 is so satisfying seeing exactly one in each tier, that worked out nicely
put my lord and savior ratjunk in D again and see what happens buddy
Sojourn is like 2/3 changes away from being perfectly healthy but not overtuned
First they should lower E cooldown from 15 > 12 or even 10 since it no longer slows (that's why it was an absurd cooldown. because it used to CC...)
Then buff the recovery on rail to something a bit absurd like .15 seconds and have rail instantly reset your weapon spread.
With that? Both ends should be happy. She has more uptime and more stable damage potential with buffed smg + orb. She won't feel as forced to hit the rail due to less downtime when missed.
But her overall burst damage is more in line with season 9 health changes
Her current issue is she has to have >50% rail charge to win any real 1v1 and that rail has to be a headshot. Because if you miss you have ~.7 seconds of down time before you can shoot after. They could also increase her ammo count along with this since she's just going to be shooting more but I think rail recovery and faster E would probably be enough.
As I Dva main I'm so happy she's finally fun again after 2 years of being a fucking snooze fest. Stripping tank synergies for her ult and the existence of Zarya in a 1 tank world has made her suck and now I can finally play her again without wanting to pull my hair out
It might be because I am silver but Orisa always feels very powerful and putting her in D tier worries me
I honestly think cass absolutely needs to be higher placed, the fact that he cam dictate basically when you can play heroes like tracer is extremely stupid, his shots are to easy to hit and he's wayyy too tanky, if the reverted his projectile size and health pool then he would be placed fine but as he is now he's just to easy for the massive value he actually brings in.
4:24 i kinda just disagree. i get dva could eat the entirety of cardiac now, and theres loads of counterplay as simple as walk behind wall. I think that as the mauga, you can counter, counters, if you can track abilities well enough, and predict enemy decisions, and use slam to negate any stuns, stun the dva eating (if she moves, i slam backline with cardiac). I totally agree that at the highest levels of online play, hes probably C tier like you said, but I think that his raw power now, is enough to call him atleast b- in a lot of ranks/matches, and I think it goes up to higher ranked matches than you think.
You could make that arguement for most heroes no?
Obviously if you excel at a hero you'll be able to play around counters and shutdown abilities.
If you know and play mauga well you'll perform above the 'niche' tier but that can be said for most heros
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Dva is so giga overtuned rn its so annoying there is legit nothing you can do against it as a dps or support other then try and survive
As a Junk and Genji main, I agree with this tier list.
What we all learned from this experience of overbuffing tanks to see if they finally become fun:
-> Just fucking go back to 6x6 already
Mauga was def nerfed. Didn't seem like a nerf, it was super scary to see what he'd be capable of. But feels like it used to be a fortify that lasts for a big portion, now it's like, a short ability like JQ's slash instead.
played the game for the first time in like a year and destroyed people with orisa, funny to hear she’s the worst right now
3:03 Me on doom
Bro you can be far away from dva, if she decides you need to die 9/10 times you're dead even if you got an escape ability
I don’t think genii is niche. If you learn combos for like five minutes he works in a lot of different situations.
Im getting very tired of every single Dva player saying "ez" like they aint getting carried by the meta
The fact that some heroes only got lower rating just because of DVA shows how much she needs nerfing rn.
I can’t believe they nerfed phara so hard, health drop, boop doesn’t even damage unless its direct.. and she still can’t 2 shot direct unless she has a mercy pocket still.. just because a bunch of gold hit-scans cant hit their shots, absolute joke
Remember, Pharah is not allowed to be strong. Thats what everyone thinks anyways
is LW still best shield break?
I’ve been winning 90% of my games with mauga (at low rank)
That doesn't seem right. Nobody should be winning 90% of their games.
Question KarQ (II hope you see this), any chance you can delves into counterplay options for meta lists? It's great to know what's generally best at winning... but for lower ranks it would help if there was some pointers to help alleviate or survive strong heroes that you are going against. Especially since lower ranks aren't great at adapting.
Im losing my mind
I thought I had Genshin still running because I didn't expect you to use Genshin music 💀
As someone who’s returning to the game now after around a year, I’m having problems going against Mauga, but since you said he isn’t even that strong, how can he be countered? Does anyone have some tips?
I main Doom on tank, Genji/Hanzo/Tracer on dps and Kiriko/Ana on supp
It's nasty how Ana is a meta since her release 😢
Beaming a Dva tho as sym with max charge just don’t feel that good. Max charge is 125 DPS against armor
But beams are not affected by armor reduction anymore ? Or is it just Winston tesla canon ?
@@Romjas578just Winston, and he can’t even exist around her for too long.
I don’t really care. You get to deal free damage to dva and make your backline constantly protected. Stop pretending like you don’t counter dva.
I would like to see the dislike ratio on this comment lol.
@@commentbot9510People overreact with sym against tanks these days. Especially with the powercrept tanks nowadays and the concept of ”tankbusters” is all long gone. Reaper and sym arent that anymore.
I HATE the hotfix, Ram is ruined and Zarya is still just as op. They should have left the tank buff patch as is at this rate.
I think you’re massively overrating Pharah, the loss of the conc explosive damage was understated by a lot of people, and she now struggles more than usual at any range because of her health.
I've never had less fun in this game as a tank player since the last patch. It's ironic how most tank buffs don't matter at all the second the enemy goes Dva and you have no other choice than to mirror her or go Zarya (who isn't nearly as good as Dva but at least isn't hard countered by her like everyone else). And what did Blizzard do in the hotfix? Nerf Lúcio
Devs just don’t know what to do anymore
overall, I dont have much problems with the rankings, I feel theyre fairly accurate to the current state of the game. Sombra is not equal to sym and torb. she is definitely stronger. not saying sym or torb should drop either, I think sombra should move up one singular tier.
I'm still convinced Blizzard doesn't understand armor in their own game and never considers the knock-on effect of the changes they implement. For example, they hardly buff Orisa but then also make the blanket armor change which nerfs Orisa quite a bit. They just adjust a number and call it a day.