I think Llama is definitely good enough to reach high Masters, in these games it seemed like he was too nervous/scared to do his own thing and instead opted to just do as he was told - probably didn't want to "upset" the higher level players by ignoring them. Like you could tell on those two visors that he REALLY didn't WANT to hit Q but the pressure of being instructed to do so forced his hand. Instead of making plays he was comfortable with, he most likely was trying to "do what GM players do". I bet if he had more experience playing in these types of lobbies/environments he could truly hold his own, but being thrown into the deep end results in one of two things - learning how to swim, or in this case, drowning.
also i feel like visoring is just a death sentence in most cases. whenever i play soldier i find myself not wanting to visor just because it'll do a whole lot of nothing and make me die in seconds because of the attention it brings
@TheRealKush420 i feel like the main problem is he used it when the fight was lost and went right back to the spot they were looking for him at. He had plenty of time to wrap around and use it, or right after he killed the 76 would have been good too
To be fair where his aim is concerned he’s not used to shooting GM level movement and still had excellent moments. He’s someone that if was in a group to boost him could actually adapt and be GM himself within a few weeks/couple of months. Hard to believe he isn’t masters at least though tbh.
1v1 is good. But having that movement and what to aim for in team fights still a ways to go from diamond to masters. Masters is basically GM for people that has a 9-5 job 😅
makes no sense,. that would put him in masters by default, since hes diamond means his aim is good just like all diamond+ players, and gamesense is also diamond.
6:29 that's a fair point, however the cap was at 99% in favor of the enemy and at the moment of callout it was 3 vs 4 so the callout was good and the correct decision was to Visor but maybe slightly earlier than the callout. He's not too bad but I don't think his aim is GM level yet. Maybe with more practice he probably can get there.
@@blackfang0815nah his aim gets a little lost if you watch he can’t hit one clips or genuinely consistent tracking spend more time aim training a little and he’s good but defo game sense and positioning big issues
@@lukenolan3304his aim is good he is just not used to GM movement if he kept playing at this level or masters he would adapt quicker. The movement difference from diamond to GM is insane
9:40 If getting taken down to half HP and then running away as Tracer means I "beat him with the movement" then I've technically never lost a Tracer 1v1
@@noonecares4440Eh, Llama could have gotten out of that position if he wasn’t so focused on trying to kill/find Tracer after she left. That’s where the issue lies. He was indecisive. The moment she ran away, he should’ve regrouped with his team or backed up at least. He did end up dying to her team after all.
recognized myself in the way he played - he was just too nervous and scared to really do impactful plays because he was scared to make a mistake with so many people watching and everyone in the lobby being GM. I get the same way when I find out I'm in a comp game with a streamer or well known high ranked players. I'm trying to get back to Masters & GM as well myself but it's been difficult and sometimes I just end up thinking whether I'm the issue and actually just not a good player or if I'm just unlucky/or because of the hero I main, I can't fully tell what the reason is exactly. I think he can definitely be Masters and get even better for sure! :)
In my opinion You have to master these factors apart from having good aim to be in GM: Positioning (high ground, off angles, line of sight, distance) Ult economy Cool down management Quick decision making and reaction time Environmental awareness (e.g. a lot of people back up into obstructions) Enemy awareness ( position, dead/alive enemies, ults and cooldowns) Team mate awareness ( Know where you can be healed, track ultimates, try to communicate, time your attacks to your teammates offense when appropriate) Movement mechanics Adapting to the team's and enemy's team composition Probably missing some, but there is definitely more to overwatch than just aim.
Thoughts... Overwatch does a good job at rank stabilization in that if you belong in a rank you usually find your way there. HOWEVER, Overwatch also really punishes solo gameplay in that the team with a duo or the better duo usually wins. As someone who has been in GM multiple seasons, do I think he deserves GM? No. Do I think he belongs in Diamond? Also no. I see him getting mid to high masters which is still solid imo.
@Junekra some people don't actually learn from playing. I have friends who started playing back in ow1 beta and are still gold and plat if they get lucky. They kinda dumb tbh
@@persimmonss He could legit just watch TH-cam videos he doesn't need a coach. Consuming free content and playing the game was enough for me to get gm1 pre-reset and gm4 post-reset
6:00 he should visor, when they told him to visor it was still 3v4, then kiriko dies, but enemy team is 99% anyways and they may not even get another fight but here, even if he got one with a visor, it could make it easier to recontest
One thing I've learned since playing OW for a while, and from watching videos of coaches, is that if you are in a specific rank, you probably belong there, or at best deserve to be one rank up. But, that's it.
mm, pretty much yeah i peaked diamond 1 tank and whenever i crash into gold/low plat, i can climb back up to diamond pretty consistently, provided the time
There's also a town called Winton in my state Queensland, im so proud of this country Too bad it's in the middle of nowhere since the state is absolutely massive
Perhaps understandably, but seems like he tunnels too hard on the comms, to the point where he kinda forgets to play his own plays. It's always tough to judge when a lot of the decisionmaking is being made for you, and you "just" have to apply your mechanics and roughly follow what's being called, but it also robs you of one of the most essential parts of being a GM, which is creativity. Finding value where ordinary plays just aren't sufficient. Like the Tracer duel, sure he keeps up, but the GM Tracer also doesn't have to force the issue. The enemy team has the point already so enemy Tracer just has to mark him and contest his flank, that's all. To be a GM you either have to take that duel because you have an advantage or you believe you can straight up out-mechanic the opponent and win -or you have to find value elsewhere otherwise all you're doing is being a paper weight while everyone else are having their 4v4 alone. When you don't have the objective, the burden to generate value is on you. You're losing until you make a play. I'd have liked to see some more cheeky angles during certain rotations, instead of just clumping up with everyone like it's the second coming of GOATS meta. Also clearly they aren't as used to the tempo and reach of enemy players, and often don't disengage from turning fights quickly, nor far enough to not get caught by a Lucio speeding their Queen and everyone else onto him. Especially on a hero like Soldier, you should rarely find yourself in a situation where you are the target being sped upon, but the experience with those timings and disengages just isn't quite there. All this said, they definitely did hold their own from a fundamental point of view, and weren't dead weight. But they also weren't really a difference maker outside of a couple fights, basically a case of "it could be worse". And ofc this is all taken from a short-period closed scrim environment which is not really indicative of normal ladder matches, so everything I'm saying should ofc be taken within that context only. Overall they did well, better than an avg Diamond dps for sure, but seems most of it is carried by mechanics.
@@notrandomperson1 Well TLDR is this environment only proves he has some potential, but it's not enough to determine exactly how close to his potential skill he can actually get on the ladder.
Based on 1v1 and this game play, I think that some of his decision making is keeping him at diamond. The consistency of landing shots is what I would say is better than average, but not at the GM level. Plus I'm convinced there are actually less players that should be that high of rank, they are just using a bit of assistance. The odds of that many people having accuracy of top game play in video games, is unreal. Look at NBA, MJ, Bird, LeBron, all-star level, but everyone else is PRO, very few with these consistent abilities over time. Plus some of those twitch accounts that gone silent, after being exposed. Some are just smarter than others.
6:01 Jay, It's last fight! Either Ult when high ground or lose using your Ult while being staggered! Ulting first is more important than dying and using Ult out spawn!
Nah you let them cap, then lucio touches to get into OT and then you ult as your team gets back and hopefully get a recap. As you can see in the video he died, swapped to tracer and still managed to get back so there was definitely time
as a tank main who spends most of my time in diamond and has occasionally broken through to masters, i really wonder if this guy actually gets on team chat and comms in game. he did here obviously but all the time? nobody in diamond ever talks. at least not in my games
At 6:20 the call for visor was good he could have done it if he stayed behind the wall first and not ran in to the open. He could kill 2 or 3 and than come in!
So Elo hell is real until you play enough games. Since blizzard doesn't release the numbers, the meat of the curve takes more games to normalize leavers, throwers, and cheats. Meaning in the couple of thousand games BEFORE the player averages out the "my team/other team" affects of those players. At the higher and much lower ends the need to likely play around 1k games, again before averages apply. So basically, once you hit at least 1K ranked games in a season you will be able to advance if you can.
I used to think I was good in this game until I started climbing in rank. I’m high platinum and I’ve been greatly humbled. There are some very good players in this game. I can hold my own in most matches at my rank, but I’ve run into players way better than me. I’m like, wow. I can’t imagine the comp at high diamond or higher.
my aim was exactly the same no matter what rank i was the difference is gamesense. i didnt become gm on dps because of better aim, i simply had better gamesense. at some point your gamesense becomes so good you know how long it takes for someone to return from spawn, you can calculate in your head if its worth fighting for instance 3v5 and get picks or regroup etc
Playing with better people relatively helps him since he loses his nerve and game sense under pressure so it's not elo hell, but with nothing but mental improving he could be way better. In diamond it's more messy and he probably performs worse due to that. He can do GM mechanically.
Dude that ult when his teammates told him is so real. Yeah it was his ult but in a regular comp game youre with teammates youre on the same level with. Here it’s pressure to play at a higher level in front of an audience to prove himself. Is a GM tells a diamond to ult blud is gonna trust them more than himself 😭 Also side note I like the consensus Jay did in this one, usually he never actually says if he thinks they are in elo hell or not
Imho the worst thing he does is that he clearly plays like a DPS playerr and keeps doing DPS 1v1s rather than actually playing target priority for big value kills like healers and tanks. DPS has carry potentential but only if youre actually playing for objective kills and killing DPS players doesnt contribute to objectives.
some fight he was so scare to peek coz he instance die ... n add no value u can tell he was just taking cover in the bunker the 1st few battle he actually contribute towards the end .... he was mostly out of fight at the castle map. beside team fight already over .. n he clean up as widow
In ANY GAME, IT DOESNT MATTER. Whatever they call “Diamond” at the top levels in Diamond are THE MOST mechanically gifted players. There is no Elo hell, people don’t understand rank and knowledge. To get out of bronze, silver, gold, and plat, you need to have carry potential. You don’t need anything special to get from these ranks just be able to carry a team by yourself and you will rise. Once you’re in Diamond you can no longer brute force your way out by carrying because people can save themselves with their mechanic ability. In order to get into masters of any game from Diamond is IQ. If you’re stuck in Diamond in a game, it’s because you don’t know shit past the base play, you need to watch pro league, study games and get a better iq for the game, doing things faster, different routes on the map etc. Grandmasters and above is just playing all the time.. no real difference unless a master/grand master/ or top 500/250 plays scrims and competes on third party sites.. that’s the route to being a pro but you need to be atleast masters before that.
There is something wonky. If you have multiple accounts of different ages, you'll see a massive difference. I can't explain why, but seriously if you have a 7 year old account and then play with a brand new one - the difference in win rates is extreme and makes it so damned convincing that ELO Hell exists because it's often much easier to make a new account and out rank your years old one. It's been done, and it's frustrating as well as very suspicious.
He seemed high diamond, he never took initiative, no flanking on soldier until he was told, got lost a lot, target prior scuffed with a lot of people moving about. This was a far cry from how it looks to watch a GM stream.
He's high masters - GM. It's all a gamble. Can't really do much if you get unlucky with teams, can't really learn much either. I don't consider myself that great but I held masters for 3 seasons.
His aim its definitely GM material but his gamesense and movement... that's what he lacks. Lot of Diamond players thinks they are in ELO Hell because they have good aim and thinks that's all what matters to be in GM.
Listen, this was one of the best "elo hell" videos. I think GM is a bit far for this man but! Master? Yeah I think he ll climb there.. Also thank you Jay3 for the content u make I feel much better tbh.
There is no "elo hell" in diamond man common. Elo hell is in gold and bellow, where everyone is a quiter, rager, trolling, etc. You can see the difference between this guy and the other GMs. Bad positioning, horrible use of ultimate, bad use of healing, etc. He's good at aiming but it's obvious the difference between him and the gms.
I think if he actually played in matches and kinda just zoned out and did his thing instead of being more “scared or nervous” to make a move he’d be easily up there!
Yo Jay, how do I go about getting into one of these videos? I can’t get out of plat with tank despite feeling like I have pretty solid positioning, peel for my back line, and make space for my team.. I play nearly every tank/hero in the game. I’m on Ps5, feel like I should atleast be diamond.
He is used to diamond games, so he plays like diamond, if he plays more GM games he might be able to improve. Also, he needs to practice his flick shots. His tracer overwall is bad.
How do I send a void for Jay3 to watch? Probably one of the worst tanks I ever played with in comp, all the while crapping on me while I’m pleading with him to stop playing hero and play like your on a team?
ELO hell exists in OW2 because there is some kind of hidden MMR in this game unlike overwatch 1. Although you're good and play in Diamond, you are going against diamond player with "Grandmaster" skill play. Those system is designed to prevent smurfing in Free-2-Play game. And I DON'T LIKE THAT. So If OW1 is still exist, this guy is definitely GM in OW1 by now.
@@brettnguyen2085 yeah but im just wondering what creators do when they determine the person in these videos deserves a higher rank, do they just say good luck and make them grind it alone for 200 hours? or do they help them find a team?
@@Slice-i6h Here's the thing. That will almost NEVER happen BECAUSE elo hell doesn't exist. 99% of the time, watching someone's gameplay will tell you exactly why they are the rank they are, just like with this guy. I've never seen any creator do this kind of thing and say, "Yeah you deserve GM (or whatever rank)." If there ever is that 1% case, then I don't know what they do.
He doesn’t have a lot of game knowledge. He misses reactions that are instinctual and is in a bad position at most times. His aim is really good though!
mid to low masters tbh. i feel like in these vids there should be no comms so the elo hell player can make the decisions they would normally make. it felt like he was just getting coached through the first game so it only looks like he held his own. just my opinion
Hes playing like i was back in OW1 days when I was stuck in masters for like 3-4months. I think is the pressure of wanting to perform and switching heroes all the time to counter. The aim is decent (Not the best) and the position is okay but lacking sometimes, also tracking ults, CDs etc is still very bad thats prob why his diamond. The way I got out of elo hell in OW1 was 1tricking mei I was hardstuck 3600 and reached a 4200 peak with mei 1tricking cause I just stopped caring and mastered 1 character. After reaching the elo u start to play like you belong in that elo taking more risks and not caring too much about losing a few games. I took a 1,5year break from the game, came back to OW2 and immidilitryt got back to GM on Flex heroes.
Def good enough to get to masters. He at least has that potential. But his wasn't that impressive, his decision making was decent at best, and he needs to learn how to position better and time ults better to be anywhere near GM. So yeah for now I'd say he def belongs in diamond. But has at least shows potential for a higher rank if he improves a few things here and there.
I think Llama is definitely good enough to reach high Masters, in these games it seemed like he was too nervous/scared to do his own thing and instead opted to just do as he was told - probably didn't want to "upset" the higher level players by ignoring them.
Like you could tell on those two visors that he REALLY didn't WANT to hit Q but the pressure of being instructed to do so forced his hand. Instead of making plays he was comfortable with, he most likely was trying to "do what GM players do".
I bet if he had more experience playing in these types of lobbies/environments he could truly hold his own, but being thrown into the deep end results in one of two things - learning how to swim, or in this case, drowning.
also i feel like visoring is just a death sentence in most cases. whenever i play soldier i find myself not wanting to visor just because it'll do a whole lot of nothing and make me die in seconds because of the attention it brings
100% I was the same when I first hit master, never taking risks just trying not to die and following orders like a puppy dog
What does it matter if he visors in a lost battle when the enemy are at 99%??
His team still had control of the point, and he could have waited a bit longer for his team to group.
@@persimmonssthey have a Lucio. I highly doubt they would have let him walk out alive. His Lucio went in so he could speed out so just commit.
@TheRealKush420 i feel like the main problem is he used it when the fight was lost and went right back to the spot they were looking for him at. He had plenty of time to wrap around and use it, or right after he killed the 76 would have been good too
@@persimmonss oh yea he definitely could have moved to a different spot to ult, but his fear probably took over
He didn’t realise at first, but then he saw 99% and just doubled down, simple psychological technique
To be fair where his aim is concerned he’s not used to shooting GM level movement and still had excellent moments. He’s someone that if was in a group to boost him could actually adapt and be GM himself within a few weeks/couple of months. Hard to believe he isn’t masters at least though tbh.
1v1 is good. But having that movement and what to aim for in team fights still a ways to go from diamond to masters. Masters is basically GM for people that has a 9-5 job 😅
the kids a bot like everyone defending him stay bad shtas
I think his aim is gm but his decision making and reaction speed is low masters
makes no sense,. that would put him in masters by default, since hes diamond means his aim is good just like all diamond+ players, and gamesense is also diamond.
@@azaxYyYyY mmmm not exactly ranking up is harder then it was supposed be and he still has massive gameplay flaws
Reaction speed ? What do you mean
@@Zaming_ how quickly he reacts to situations
Nah, decision making is definitely diamond. His tracking aim is gm but his flick aim is like masters
6:29 that's a fair point, however the cap was at 99% in favor of the enemy and at the moment of callout it was 3 vs 4 so the callout was good and the correct decision was to Visor but maybe slightly earlier than the callout. He's not too bad but I don't think his aim is GM level yet. Maybe with more practice he probably can get there.
Aim is close to GM. Game sense and positioning could be a little better.
@@blackfang0815nah his aim gets a little lost if you watch he can’t hit one clips or genuinely consistent tracking spend more time aim training a little and he’s good but defo game sense and positioning big issues
@@lukenolan3304his aim is good he is just not used to GM movement if he kept playing at this level or masters he would adapt quicker. The movement difference from diamond to GM is insane
“I bet Jay eats Almond Joy”
“Is that the one with the coconut” 😭💀
it is though right?
@@geenpunkyeah idk why people are liking the comment 🤣
Bounty is where its at tbh
9:40 If getting taken down to half HP and then running away as Tracer means I "beat him with the movement" then I've technically never lost a Tracer 1v1
The GM tracer won the 1v1 because he baited out bad positioning from llama with his movement homie
that’s the thing the gm tracer came back to finish him off you probably completely run away lmao
@@noonecares4440Eh, Llama could have gotten out of that position if he wasn’t so focused on trying to kill/find Tracer after she left. That’s where the issue lies. He was indecisive. The moment she ran away, he should’ve regrouped with his team or backed up at least. He did end up dying to her team after all.
recognized myself in the way he played - he was just too nervous and scared to really do impactful plays because he was scared to make a mistake with so many people watching and everyone in the lobby being GM. I get the same way when I find out I'm in a comp game with a streamer or well known high ranked players. I'm trying to get back to Masters & GM as well myself but it's been difficult and sometimes I just end up thinking whether I'm the issue and actually just not a good player or if I'm just unlucky/or because of the hero I main, I can't fully tell what the reason is exactly. I think he can definitely be Masters and get even better for sure! :)
In my opinion You have to master these factors apart from having good aim to be in GM:
Positioning (high ground, off angles, line of sight, distance)
Ult economy
Cool down management
Quick decision making and reaction time
Environmental awareness (e.g. a lot of people back up into obstructions)
Enemy awareness ( position, dead/alive enemies, ults and cooldowns)
Team mate awareness ( Know where you can be healed, track ultimates, try to communicate, time your attacks to your teammates offense when appropriate)
Movement mechanics
Adapting to the team's and enemy's team composition
Probably missing some, but there is definitely more to overwatch than just aim.
Thoughts... Overwatch does a good job at rank stabilization in that if you belong in a rank you usually find your way there. HOWEVER, Overwatch also really punishes solo gameplay in that the team with a duo or the better duo usually wins.
As someone who has been in GM multiple seasons, do I think he deserves GM? No. Do I think he belongs in Diamond? Also no. I see him getting mid to high masters which is still solid imo.
I think he looks pretty diamond. I could see him getting low masters at this level, but he need to actually improve as a player to get any higher imo.
No it doesn't, it never has.
Just from the first 4 mins, i can say that he should get a coach to help him climb and make better decisions in fights
Too expensive
a coach bro? just play the game lol
@Junekra some people don't actually learn from playing. I have friends who started playing back in ow1 beta and are still gold and plat if they get lucky. They kinda dumb tbh
@@persimmonss He could legit just watch TH-cam videos he doesn't need a coach. Consuming free content and playing the game was enough for me to get gm1 pre-reset and gm4 post-reset
@brettnguyen2085 Sure, but you and him aren't the same people
Bros good. Better than I ever was and I made it to GM before. Bro just needs to catch up to the speed of the game up in GM and he's golden.
do you ever get to masters solo, no comms?
6:00 he should visor, when they told him to visor it was still 3v4, then kiriko dies, but enemy team is 99% anyways and they may not even get another fight but here, even if he got one with a visor, it could make it easier to recontest
One thing I've learned since playing OW for a while, and from watching videos of coaches, is that if you are in a specific rank, you probably belong there, or at best deserve to be one rank up. But, that's it.
mm, pretty much yeah
i peaked diamond 1 tank and whenever i crash into gold/low plat, i can climb back up to diamond pretty consistently, provided the time
Fun fact: there is a place in Victoria, Australia called Winton
I’m dead fuckin serious.
There's also a town called Winton in my state Queensland, im so proud of this country
Too bad it's in the middle of nowhere since the state is absolutely massive
@@alexmaldonado2804One monke jump can cover the distance
Perhaps understandably, but seems like he tunnels too hard on the comms, to the point where he kinda forgets to play his own plays.
It's always tough to judge when a lot of the decisionmaking is being made for you, and you "just" have to apply your mechanics and roughly follow what's being called, but it also robs you of one of the most essential parts of being a GM, which is creativity. Finding value where ordinary plays just aren't sufficient. Like the Tracer duel, sure he keeps up, but the GM Tracer also doesn't have to force the issue. The enemy team has the point already so enemy Tracer just has to mark him and contest his flank, that's all. To be a GM you either have to take that duel because you have an advantage or you believe you can straight up out-mechanic the opponent and win -or you have to find value elsewhere otherwise all you're doing is being a paper weight while everyone else are having their 4v4 alone. When you don't have the objective, the burden to generate value is on you. You're losing until you make a play.
I'd have liked to see some more cheeky angles during certain rotations, instead of just clumping up with everyone like it's the second coming of GOATS meta.
Also clearly they aren't as used to the tempo and reach of enemy players, and often don't disengage from turning fights quickly, nor far enough to not get caught by a Lucio speeding their Queen and everyone else onto him. Especially on a hero like Soldier, you should rarely find yourself in a situation where you are the target being sped upon, but the experience with those timings and disengages just isn't quite there.
All this said, they definitely did hold their own from a fundamental point of view, and weren't dead weight. But they also weren't really a difference maker outside of a couple fights, basically a case of "it could be worse". And ofc this is all taken from a short-period closed scrim environment which is not really indicative of normal ladder matches, so everything I'm saying should ofc be taken within that context only. Overall they did well, better than an avg Diamond dps for sure, but seems most of it is carried by mechanics.
Tldr hes better then diamond but just a little
I aint reading all that.
Good for you
Sorry that happened
@@notrandomperson1 Well TLDR is this environment only proves he has some potential, but it's not enough to determine exactly how close to his potential skill he can actually get on the ladder.
@@sa1f43 My condolences good sir
@@sa1f43 people when they see more than 5 words in a row:
Based on 1v1 and this game play, I think that some of his decision making is keeping him at diamond. The consistency of landing shots is what I would say is better than average, but not at the GM level. Plus I'm convinced there are actually less players that should be that high of rank, they are just using a bit of assistance. The odds of that many people having accuracy of top game play in video games, is unreal. Look at NBA, MJ, Bird, LeBron, all-star level, but everyone else is PRO, very few with these consistent abilities over time. Plus some of those twitch accounts that gone silent, after being exposed. Some are just smarter than others.
Being gm isn't about hitting shots all the time. Anyone can hit gm but staying in gm requires learning, adapting, and being use to it
what are u even saying...
6:01 Jay, It's last fight! Either Ult when high ground or lose using your Ult while being staggered! Ulting first is more important than dying and using Ult out spawn!
Nah you let them cap, then lucio touches to get into OT and then you ult as your team gets back and hopefully get a recap. As you can see in the video he died, swapped to tracer and still managed to get back so there was definitely time
as a tank main who spends most of my time in diamond and has occasionally broken through to masters, i really wonder if this guy actually gets on team chat and comms in game. he did here obviously but all the time? nobody in diamond ever talks. at least not in my games
Holding ur weight in a game is different from actually climbing ur way to be in the game
Very true
Elo hell is your best content Jay, we love it
A friend of mine is just like him, crazy good aim but not always making the best decisions which is why his support and tank was in plat for so long.
Lets goo i was hoping you'd do this video when i was watching the 1v1s
Llama hit the pulse , he's already better than Jay3
Oh man Juno must've been so damn OP here before the nerfs
Looks like a Masters/Low GM player to me. I used to see guys like this all day every day and that was around where I sat.
look at that little man @ 7:02 😂😂😂
At 6:20 the call for visor was good he could have done it if he stayed behind the wall first and not ran in to the open. He could kill 2 or 3 and than come in!
I must admit that Muzo comms was some of the best I’ve heard
So Elo hell is real until you play enough games. Since blizzard doesn't release the numbers, the meat of the curve takes more games to normalize leavers, throwers, and cheats. Meaning in the couple of thousand games BEFORE the player averages out the "my team/other team" affects of those players. At the higher and much lower ends the need to likely play around 1k games, again before averages apply. So basically, once you hit at least 1K ranked games in a season you will be able to advance if you can.
I used to think I was good in this game until I started climbing in rank. I’m high platinum and I’ve been greatly humbled. There are some very good players in this game. I can hold my own in most matches at my rank, but I’ve run into players way better than me. I’m like, wow. I can’t imagine the comp at high diamond or higher.
He doesn’t know who to shoot at. He’s just picking whoever’s in front of him and then changing constantly.
my aim was exactly the same no matter what rank i was the difference is gamesense. i didnt become gm on dps because of better aim, i simply had better gamesense. at some point your gamesense becomes so good you know how long it takes for someone to return from spawn, you can calculate in your head if its worth fighting for instance 3v5 and get picks or regroup etc
Playing with better people relatively helps him since he loses his nerve and game sense under pressure so it's not elo hell, but with nothing but mental improving he could be way better. In diamond it's more messy and he probably performs worse due to that. He can do GM mechanically.
Dude that ult when his teammates told him is so real. Yeah it was his ult but in a regular comp game youre with teammates youre on the same level with. Here it’s pressure to play at a higher level in front of an audience to prove himself. Is a GM tells a diamond to ult blud is gonna trust them more than himself 😭
Also side note I like the consensus Jay did in this one, usually he never actually says if he thinks they are in elo hell or not
Imho the worst thing he does is that he clearly plays like a DPS playerr and keeps doing DPS 1v1s rather than actually playing target priority for big value kills like healers and tanks. DPS has carry potentential but only if youre actually playing for objective kills and killing DPS players doesnt contribute to objectives.
Almond Joy has been a favorite of mine since middle school. 😂
some fight he was so scare to peek coz he instance die ... n add no value u can tell he was just taking cover in the bunker
the 1st few battle he actually contribute towards the end .... he was mostly out of fight at the castle map.
beside team fight already over .. n he clean up as widow
It depends on the team as well.. i seen top 500s and GMs do worse than Diamonds or Masters
2:58 THATS WHAT I AM SAYING bro bounty be bussin
In ANY GAME, IT DOESNT MATTER. Whatever they call “Diamond” at the top levels in Diamond are THE MOST mechanically gifted players.
There is no Elo hell, people don’t understand rank and knowledge. To get out of bronze, silver, gold, and plat, you need to have carry potential. You don’t need anything special to get from these ranks just be able to carry a team by yourself and you will rise. Once you’re in Diamond you can no longer brute force your way out by carrying because people can save themselves with their mechanic ability.
In order to get into masters of any game from Diamond is IQ. If you’re stuck in Diamond in a game, it’s because you don’t know shit past the base play, you need to watch pro league, study games and get a better iq for the game, doing things faster, different routes on the map etc.
Grandmasters and above is just playing all the time.. no real difference unless a master/grand master/ or top 500/250 plays scrims and competes on third party sites.. that’s the route to being a pro but you need to be atleast masters before that.
There is something wonky. If you have multiple accounts of different ages, you'll see a massive difference. I can't explain why, but seriously if you have a 7 year old account and then play with a brand new one - the difference in win rates is extreme and makes it so damned convincing that ELO Hell exists because it's often much easier to make a new account and out rank your years old one. It's been done, and it's frustrating as well as very suspicious.
He seemed high diamond, he never took initiative, no flanking on soldier until he was told, got lost a lot, target prior scuffed with a lot of people moving about. This was a far cry from how it looks to watch a GM stream.
He's high masters - GM. It's all a gamble. Can't really do much if you get unlucky with teams, can't really learn much either. I don't consider myself that great but I held masters for 3 seasons.
How don’t you like a Milky Way that should be a crime 😂
Snickers ice cream bars is where it’s at.
His aim its definitely GM material but his gamesense and movement... that's what he lacks.
Lot of Diamond players thinks they are in ELO Hell because they have good aim and thinks that's all what matters to be in GM.
12:02 is this tracking normal? It seems he could see the widow through walls or something
Buddy the widow grappled and strafed you can easily hear it if you have headphones
He heard the graple and the walking, so he aimed for this direction is my guess :)
@@richardstone4515 oh alright, makes sense, thanks bro
@@sameron605 yeah makes sense
i will NOT stand for the almond joy slander
GM is a rough rank, i don’t even think Jay is GM
Listen, this was one of the best "elo hell" videos. I think GM is a bit far for this man but! Master? Yeah I think he ll climb there..
Also thank you Jay3 for the content u make I feel much better tbh.
If he played with GM's a lot more he'd quickly adjust and be able to climb. He clearly has the skill
Mechanical skill only takes you so far. Timing. Game sense. Team awareness. Thats what makes or breaks high level play.
Soldier and skill are two different planets prove me wrong
While soldier is extremely basic and one of the easiest heroes he still takes skill
@@IllIllIllIllIIIllI I mean if you have aim from other games he’s easy af
Diamond is right where this guy should be. I’m sure he was masters before the S8 reset.
I'm questioning on what the hell's going on what is happening because this looks like fun
7:25 i mean great aim with no mechanics would get you way higher than great mechanics and bad aim, because to climb you need good enough aim to carry
Aim is literally a part of mechanics
There is no "elo hell" in diamond man common. Elo hell is in gold and bellow, where everyone is a quiter, rager, trolling, etc. You can see the difference between this guy and the other GMs. Bad positioning, horrible use of ultimate, bad use of healing, etc. He's good at aiming but it's obvious the difference between him and the gms.
R u gold
The only "elo hell" that somewhat exist is plat, nonetheless, it's still pretty easy to climb out of plat
If my team is asking to use my ult, I also don't use it. Kappa
I’m watching a gold player ain’t no way he’s qualified for masters or gm
I think if he actually played in matches and kinda just zoned out and did his thing instead of being more “scared or nervous” to make a move he’d be easily up there!
Easily is crazy. Aim doesn't = game sense
take a shot everytime jay says sometimes
elo hell exist in ow2 ... that can be pain in the ass to rank up
bro had 0.002 seconds to use helix and this guy bashes him for not shooting himself like what 💀
diffing a gm tracer and soldier is wild
Yo Jay, how do I go about getting into one of these videos? I can’t get out of plat with tank despite feeling like I have pretty solid positioning, peel for my back line, and make space for my team.. I play nearly every tank/hero in the game. I’m on Ps5, feel like I should atleast be diamond.
so basically to get to gm i have to drink 7 red bulls ah
i love how everyone is critiquing the guy like they are also in gm lmfao
bro white snickers is the best
He is used to diamond games, so he plays like diamond, if he plays more GM games he might be able to improve. Also, he needs to practice his flick shots. His tracer overwall is bad.
The intro should have been this diamond player has a fat ego after he beat jay a bronze player in a 1 v1 so now he is in jays Elo hell vid😂😂😂
How do I send a void for Jay3 to watch? Probably one of the worst tanks I ever played with in comp, all the while crapping on me while I’m pleading with him to stop playing hero and play like your on a team?
My aim is fantastic yet I'm stuck in gold. I learned the hard way that aim ain't everything.
I agree that both chocolates suck. Can’t rly go outta my way to eat them
Meanwhile, here I am stuck in bronze 4.
ELO hell exists in OW2 because there is some kind of hidden MMR in this game unlike overwatch 1. Although you're good and play in Diamond, you are going against diamond player with "Grandmaster" skill play. Those system is designed to prevent smurfing in Free-2-Play game. And I DON'T LIKE THAT. So If OW1 is still exist, this guy is definitely GM in OW1 by now.
He appears to be walling/cheating in quite a few occasions. The cursor snaps right to widow before the shot on her at 14:43 before the shot.
with great aim i got master my first ever season playing the game. i was basically a headless chicken running around killing people tho..
He honestly plays like a diamond
Mecree did the teleport not the tracer? Lmao so 5 people coukd damage but nope it was only 4.
He gets masters. He just needs playtime in higher lobbies because they play a lot different then diamond lobbies
thought this was metro at first ngl
i’ve been watching jay3 for almost 2 years now and i’ve barely subscribed rip
These are my favorite videos!
so when you determine someone is in elo hell what do you do? you help them get out of it?
Elo hell isn't real. The title is purely entertainment, but people will always equalize to where they truly belong over long periods of time.
@@brettnguyen2085 yeah but im just wondering what creators do when they determine the person in these videos deserves a higher rank, do they just say good luck and make them grind it alone for 200 hours? or do they help them find a team?
@@Slice-i6h Here's the thing. That will almost NEVER happen BECAUSE elo hell doesn't exist. 99% of the time, watching someone's gameplay will tell you exactly why they are the rank they are, just like with this guy. I've never seen any creator do this kind of thing and say, "Yeah you deserve GM (or whatever rank)." If there ever is that 1% case, then I don't know what they do.
@@brettnguyen2085 he did say he deserves masters though, also personally i consistently do 2x better than everyone else on my team
@@Slice-i6hif that's true, you'll climb eventually
I deserve diamond!!! Saying it now! Minimum diamond
His aim its like Silver 1 in Valorant
damn META's AI is getting insane huh...
He doesn’t have a lot of game knowledge. He misses reactions that are instinctual and is in a bad position at most times. His aim is really good though!
@7:54 What the queen ?🤔
Elo hell definatly exists. Everytime i win 2 games in a row it will be followed by 2 loses the match maker is absolute dog shit in this game.
How do you get that version of 1v1?
How was the second shot jay
Its crazy to me Jay3 loses to anyone considering he plays this game as a job
Hey Jay what do you do if someone is a sombra main and they’re in elo hell?
Elo hell isn't real
There is no elo hell. You're in the right elo. You don't just play in your elo, you must carry to get out of your elo.
Wrong, stfu
mid to low masters tbh. i feel like in these vids there should be no comms so the elo hell player can make the decisions they would normally make. it felt like he was just getting coached through the first game so it only looks like he held his own. just my opinion
Nice content idea ;P
Hes playing like i was back in OW1 days when I was stuck in masters for like 3-4months. I think is the pressure of wanting to perform and switching heroes all the time to counter.
The aim is decent (Not the best) and the position is okay but lacking sometimes, also tracking ults, CDs etc is still very bad thats prob why his diamond. The way I got out of elo hell in OW1 was 1tricking mei I was hardstuck 3600 and reached a 4200 peak with mei 1tricking cause I just stopped caring and mastered 1 character. After reaching the elo u start to play like you belong in that elo taking more risks and not caring too much about losing a few games. I took a 1,5year break from the game, came back to OW2 and immidilitryt got back to GM on Flex heroes.
Def good enough to get to masters. He at least has that potential. But his wasn't that impressive, his decision making was decent at best, and he needs to learn how to position better and time ults better to be anywhere near GM. So yeah for now I'd say he def belongs in diamond. But has at least shows potential for a higher rank if he improves a few things here and there.
76 proves why Ow2 Ranking System is Dogshit 😂