By the way, “The Car of the Year” in Denmark 2020 is the Tesla Model 3. The American electric car won on 27 November a reasonably safe victory in the annual Danish car competition. This marks the first time in the 52-year history of the competition that a decidedly American car wins and the first time it happens for a clean electric car.
14:40 There is a guy in Iceland that crashed his Model S at 180 km/h into the back of a car doing 90 km/h. He tried to defend it saying that he sneezed.
I watched every minute even though I live in hotlanta and I have a rwd model 3 long range. It's just good to know all the details and I enjoy your videos 👍
On ice (almost zero traction) in my RWD Model 3 you push the accelerator all the way to the floor and the wheels barely spin, they only turn with just as much torque as is available from the tires. It's amazing.
14:02 The motor does not start spinning (unless you're launching from a standstill) it is always spinning with the wheels, as there is no clutch. It just switches from neutral to powered.
The engineer in me loved this video (all the way to the end). By the way, I drove my Dual Motor Model 3 through a massive snow storm in NYS on Sunday (for the first time) and it performed like a champ! Even with all-season tires. Thanks Bjørn!
Vita Cola my Performance Model 3 came with Michelin 20” but I put on Michelin 18” MXM4 (same that Tesla ships with on Model 3) for the summer/fall in NY. The car will spend the winter and spring in Florida, which is why I’m not buying snow tires. :)
Bjorn said somewhere in a video he's currently on Nereus (Chinese?) tyres. My winter 18" Tesla Aeros came with Pirelli Sottozero 3 as per the European (DE) Tesla website.
Watched all the way through, your experiments always so interesting, great stuff. Gives me confidence for my new TM3 if we get snow this winter in the UK
Cool, it looks like it applies power to the front motor when you reverses and uses the rear for regen when you go backwards! Maximum traction both ways;-) 4:43
When are you going to do a proper road trip with the Model 3? Would be perfect, maybe an extreme nordic test with extreme temperatures! Like you did with the X.
I was in Finland a month ago and the driving conditions were just like that. It was also the first time in more than 30 years that I was driving in winter conditions. What's funny, I thought about sending a note to uncle-Björn to test his model 3 in those exact conditions. It's not common that all the tires have totally different traction available and it will change around the next second, so it should be a very good test. Well, I forgot to send the note but you did it anyway, that's my man.
Model 3 is such an underrated car! Almost all the people that I talk to about cars just don`t get it... But, on the other hand, price in Europe is really high compared to US!
Nice video. By the way, I didn't know there are toll roads in Norway. Edit :I guess tri-motor cars like the cybertruck will solve the problem pretty well when left and right side are slipping differently.
I noticed that when you were pointing down hill front motor was doing all the work. And when pointed up hill the rear was doing all the work. Both forward and reverse. So bias to the weight transfer 😲
For all those who wonder how it works the Traction control system is part of the ABS system. The TC/ESP/ABS control module gets its info from the wheel speed sensors. When the control unit senses that one or more wheels are spinning faster than the other ones the system is going to brake them to act like a diff lock because otherwise, the spinning wheels would get all the momentum and the wheels with traction would get nothing. By braking that wheel the momentum will be sent to the wheel with more traction. The TCS would also only allow a precise amount of acceleration if it gauges you're accelerating too much it's going to reduce the sent power so the car can regulate the traction by limiting wheel slipping.
19:30 Grat demo. Could you put some camera to check if the wheels are spinning when losing traction? Note: So what about the 'E' car? When are you going to announce it? Because I'm in California, I cannot sleep anymore at night, as I constantly check for any coming new video...
Last Weekend i drove our Hausberg Schauinsland with my Model 3 AWD. Unbelivible acceleration on snowy Road with new Cross Climate tires. It feels Like on rails even on snow and ice.
Great video! Watching it I realized how much more would a RWD Tesla use its friction front brakes in more aggressive braking conditions compared to AWD. I would also guess that AWD uses regenerative braking more efficiently enhancing stability during corner braking.
Great video! Thanks! One more thing, it would be interesting if you'll made a video test drive on snow track with some professional rally driver, what he thinking about this type of allwheel drive system.
He already did the Model 3 on a snow track last year, look through the older Model 3 videos it's worth the watch. Siggy; it does let you play, see the same video, You can switch the safety off like in most cars.
5:23 It doesn't "kick in the other axle" - it applies braking to the slipping wheel. Pretty bummed out that Scandinavia My Tesla is not available on iPhone.
Your probably mean the brakes. Break would be damage. It makes sense to have a visual inspection together with the change of tyres if you swap seasonal. Tesla should have a certain maintanence plan for the change of brake fluid. Its common to change every 60k.
Is there a way to see if the max discharge power is lower than the max, without your app? I have the feeling that power is limited when I just start driving and its around 0C outside, but it only says "regen limited"
tigers123123 word! and point! I did not talk about track mode. But at least about a RWD only mode for maximum efficiency. And maybe an option for a drift mode:)
There is a slip-mode setting somewhere in there for when the car is unable to free itself from slippery surfaces, RTM (read the manual, I know but non-owners can also download it!)
Thank you for the video Bjørn! Have been wondering these things in slippery Finland too. You can definitely notice the rear motor working at first since the rear tries to slip sideways every time I accelerate during turns. Could you try with the slip start mode to see if there is any difference in the usage of the motors?
8:30 should be the same behaviour as with fossil cars you also get slower when rolling out backwards after letting off the gas pedal. (but you only reduce your speed to creep speed of the engine idle).
Is it alot of Electric Buss in Norway also in city traffic as Sweden ? I thought that conditions on roads was Good in Oslo in North Sweden Today we have Snow but have Cold roads with rain with minus degrees so it's icy roads
Tesla's driving control of their cars is maturing. My Model S was never this good. Also, I prefer the real wheel drive bias of the Model 3, since it is easier to not snake around wildly with a rear wheel drive. Front wheel drive unnaturally pulls the car in weird angles which is really hard to drive, but rear wheel drive automatically prefers to be in the same road dips where other car wheels have been, and you hardly have to steer. All wheel drive can do even better. It looks like Tesla drive control of its motors and wheels has been improving a lot.
Shamefully for Audi, only new produced e-trons get the drive train software update. All the "old" e-trons get nothing. No OTA update, nothing. "Vorsprung durch Technik" shiiieeeet.
Hi Bjorn! Thanks for all the great videos and information. I love the channel. Wonder if you can answer a couple of questions for me regarding EVs and wheel sizes. First, if we use the Kona as an example with 17” wheels, what effect would 18” or even 20” inch wheels have on the range? I assume bigger tyres equals more friction equals decreased range but how much less could one expect? Second, would larger tyres cause the odometer reading to be inaccurate? Would larger wheels measure more distance that actually travelled or less distance than actually travelled? Sorry, I know these question are unrelated to the topic of this video.
Sorry, bit of an off topic question but my dad has a 2017 Model S P90DL as he wants to know what this app is called and also I want to know what the “Emergency calls only” at the top of your phone means.
You just drive and they will send you a bill in the post. If you have an electronic tag for a bridge etc in your country, they might have a collaboration that gives you e.g. 10% off the price (EasyGo/Øresundsbro in Denmark does this). Don't expect the prices you pay to be anywhere close to the cheap price Bjørn is paying, though...
Yeah also, it's pretty expensive for gas cars to pass the toll stations and especially expensive without an autopass tag/sticker as Deddily mentioned. Electric cars have a significant price reduction tho.
Does anyone has some literature about front and rear motors « fighting » each other in an all wheel drive EV ? Find that interesting although odd at first. My gut feeling is it can’t happen but I’m looking for a more scientific opinion.
If all wheel drive is always on then it will be prone to understeer, if all 4 wheel are working when needed then understeer is less prevalent (This is just what I think)
I was driving around last year in 2 inches of snow. It limited it to 12 mph but it was very nice. Now on hard snow, I did notice some slippage probably was more ice. 15:23 I remember you testing Optimus here. Hold mode oh yeah very nice Time to unsubscribe. Trolololol Nah, maybe bump Patreon another $2 / month
last weekend I took my long range dual motor car across the Sierra (in California) during a major storm. Chain controls everywhere, but the Tesla had no problems without using chains. Thanks to Bjorn, now we know how this works! th-cam.com/video/pP6A74GwZQ0/w-d-xo.html
By the way, “The Car of the Year” in Denmark 2020 is the Tesla Model 3. The American electric car won on 27 November a reasonably safe victory in the annual Danish car competition. This marks the first time in the 52-year history of the competition that a decidedly American car wins and the first time it happens for a clean electric car.
"AWD can give you a false sense of security" (braking)
So true, and well said.
14:40 There is a guy in Iceland that crashed his Model S at 180 km/h into the back of a car doing 90 km/h. He tried to defend it saying that he sneezed.
Probably was just too exited to learn that he gets 3 Superchargers on Iceland...
That defense might actually work in the SpaceX Roadster.
You can't fix stupid... but Tesla is going to give it a damn good shot with Autopilot.
I watched every minute even though I live in hotlanta and I have a rwd model 3 long range. It's just good to know all the details and I enjoy your videos 👍
19:50 sounds like a printer 😂
Lol yes
Hahaha can't wait to get snow to hear my own inkjet printer!
On ice (almost zero traction) in my RWD Model 3 you push the accelerator all the way to the floor and the wheels barely spin, they only turn with just as much torque as is available from the tires. It's amazing.
I've noticed even with AWD it limits power a lot when you slip
The precision of power delivery is the best part of an electric car. That's why I think Cybertruck will be an off road beast.
I like your driving Bjørn! Aggressive/effective but still considerate and using indicators like a boss! 😄
no skip on Bjorns snow videos
14:02 The motor does not start spinning (unless you're launching from a standstill) it is always spinning with the wheels, as there is no clutch. It just switches from neutral to powered.
The engineer in me loved this video (all the way to the end). By the way, I drove my Dual Motor Model 3 through a massive snow storm in NYS on Sunday (for the first time) and it performed like a champ! Even with all-season tires. Thanks Bjørn!
Vita Cola my Performance Model 3 came with Michelin 20” but I put on Michelin 18” MXM4 (same that Tesla ships with on Model 3) for the summer/fall in NY. The car will spend the winter and spring in Florida, which is why I’m not buying snow tires. :)
Bjorn said somewhere in a video he's currently on Nereus (Chinese?) tyres. My winter 18" Tesla Aeros came with Pirelli Sottozero 3 as per the European (DE) Tesla website.
Bjorn: who is watching still
Me: i think im alone 😂
you are not alone!
you are not alone!
Nice video :)
You’re not alone.
I live in sunny Southern California and i too watched till the end 😂
Watched all the way through, your experiments always so interesting, great stuff. Gives me confidence for my new TM3 if we get snow this winter in the UK
Saltschmutzfest is also very popular in Ontario Canada.
The mouse over preview of this video is hilarious 😂
Cool, it looks like it applies power to the front motor when you reverses and uses the rear for regen when you go backwards! Maximum traction both ways;-) 4:43
4:25
Please test that with a RWD Model 3! Would be interesting to see, because even my Toyota Hybrid manages power very well in slippery conditions.
All that snow and ice. I grew up in Chicago area, but I'm sure glad I live in Texas now.
When are you going to do a proper road trip with the Model 3? Would be perfect, maybe an extreme nordic test with extreme temperatures! Like you did with the X.
The Nordkapp roadtrip was an extreme nordic test ;)
My performance 3 is amazing on snow. Live in Lillehammer
Yeah, today was the first experience in snow in mine. Was a beast (have Viking 7 tires on).
I like your town. I saw it on a tv series..
I was in Finland a month ago and the driving conditions were just like that. It was also the first time in more than 30 years that I was driving in winter conditions. What's funny, I thought about sending a note to uncle-Björn to test his model 3 in those exact conditions. It's not common that all the tires have totally different traction available and it will change around the next second, so it should be a very good test. Well, I forgot to send the note but you did it anyway, that's my man.
Bjorn: useful information for us Northern folks keep up the good work. Next test should be a Ice storm :0)
This app is so interesting. I wish they made it for iOS, as well.
Model 3 is such an underrated car! Almost all the people that I talk to about cars just don`t get it... But, on the other hand, price in Europe is really high compared to US!
Nice video. By the way, I didn't know there are toll roads in Norway.
Edit :I guess tri-motor cars like the cybertruck will solve the problem pretty well when left and right side are slipping differently.
I noticed that when you were pointing down hill front motor was doing all the work. And when pointed up hill the rear was doing all the work. Both forward and reverse. So bias to the weight transfer 😲
For all those who wonder how it works the Traction control system is part of the ABS system. The TC/ESP/ABS control module gets its info from the wheel speed sensors. When the control unit senses that one or more wheels are spinning faster than the other ones the system is going to brake them to act like a diff lock because otherwise, the spinning wheels would get all the momentum and the wheels with traction would get nothing. By braking that wheel the momentum will be sent to the wheel with more traction. The TCS would also only allow a precise amount of acceleration if it gauges you're accelerating too much it's going to reduce the sent power so the car can regulate the traction by limiting wheel slipping.
Impressive! Thx for taking the time
15:29 for those asking about tires.
Hint: Nereus Winter Studless Tires
19:30 Grat demo. Could you put some camera to check if the wheels are spinning when losing traction?
Note: So what about the 'E' car? When are you going to announce it?
Because I'm in California, I cannot sleep anymore at night, as I constantly check for any coming new video...
Last Weekend i drove our Hausberg Schauinsland with my Model 3 AWD. Unbelivible acceleration on snowy Road with new Cross Climate tires. It feels Like on rails even on snow and ice.
What tires do you have?
Cross Climate should be Michelin. But why don't you use winter tires? For that region they are strongly recommended.
Have you driven in AWD before?
Iam still watching. Good testing
Great video! Watching it I realized how much more would a RWD Tesla use its friction front brakes in more aggressive braking conditions compared to AWD. I would also guess that AWD uses regenerative braking more efficiently enhancing stability during corner braking.
Tug of war MC Hammer vs Impreza STi on snow :D it could be banger
myrace235 definitely a banger because the Impreza’s engine would go bang
Great video! Thanks! One more thing, it would be interesting if you'll made a video test drive on snow track with some professional rally driver, what he thinking about this type of allwheel drive system.
He already did the Model 3 on a snow track last year, look through the older Model 3 videos it's worth the watch. Siggy; it does let you play, see the same video, You can switch the safety off like in most cars.
5:23 It doesn't "kick in the other axle" - it applies braking to the slipping wheel. Pretty bummed out that Scandinavia My Tesla is not available on iPhone.
but TM-SPY is available.
Hi Bjørn, get out in the wild, collect some AWD Ev's and one Subaru and one Quattro something, do all the Tests.
Bjorn, how much better is the car since you had that company clean up the suspension/breaks? And how often would you recommend that type of cleaning?
Your probably mean the brakes. Break would be damage. It makes sense to have a visual inspection together with the change of tyres if you swap seasonal. Tesla should have a certain maintanence plan for the change of brake fluid. Its common to change every 60k.
Are those winter tyres without studs?
Solaris Bus, they make them near my city (Poznań, Poland). They also make electric buses.
Is there a way to see if the max discharge power is lower than the max, without your app? I have the feeling that power is limited when I just start driving and its around 0C outside, but it only says "regen limited"
Dear Elon,
pls bring a „ fun-Mode“ to all AWD Teslas to completely disengange the front motor and traction and stabilitycontrol😁
there is track mode
@@jackykit123 Track mode still does a lot of torque limiting. It would be so fun to have unlimited Rear motor only for drifting.
The service centers are clogged enough as it is.. :-)
tigers123123 word! and point!
I did not talk about track mode. But at least about a RWD only mode for maximum efficiency. And maybe an option for a drift mode:)
There is a slip-mode setting somewhere in there for when the car is unable to free itself from slippery surfaces, RTM (read the manual, I know but non-owners can also download it!)
Thank you for the video Bjørn! Have been wondering these things in slippery Finland too. You can definitely notice the rear motor working at first since the rear tries to slip sideways every time I accelerate during turns. Could you try with the slip start mode to see if there is any difference in the usage of the motors?
Interesting! It seems like it perhaps priorities the rear axle for regen on level ground but the front axle when you go downhill.
8:30 should be the same behaviour as with fossil cars you also get slower when rolling out backwards after letting off the gas pedal. (but you only reduce your speed to creep speed of the engine idle).
what kind of tires do you have on?
Why front motor doesn't regenerate the power while rear is doing it?
Can you test what happens when you put the car in track mode? Interested to see how that affects the balance of the motors, particularly on the regen?
Is it alot of Electric Buss in Norway also in city traffic as Sweden ?
I thought that conditions on roads was Good in Oslo in North Sweden Today we have Snow but have Cold roads with rain with minus degrees so it's icy roads
I would love to see how it goes over 50 cm fresh unploughed snow.
I'd love to see any car do that
please do a follow up in a relly steep hill!
so the AWD is better than in a gasoline car?
How about slip start mode ? All weel runs in same times ? It is better with ?
Anyway thanks for video
Test the windshield wipers
1:20 What are stators and what do they do?
The stator is the stationary coil in the electric motor. The other part is the rotor, which rotates.
Tesla's driving control of their cars is maturing. My Model S was never this good. Also, I prefer the real wheel drive bias of the Model 3, since it is easier to not snake around wildly with a rear wheel drive. Front wheel drive unnaturally pulls the car in weird angles which is really hard to drive, but rear wheel drive automatically prefers to be in the same road dips where other car wheels have been, and you hardly have to steer. All wheel drive can do even better. It looks like Tesla drive control of its motors and wheels has been improving a lot.
Please tell me the rim size of your tire for winter. My model 3 is coming before Christmas. I’m so excited!!!
Shamefully for Audi, only new produced e-trons get the drive train software update. All the "old" e-trons get nothing. No OTA update, nothing. "Vorsprung durch Technik" shiiieeeet.
Still watching... :)
@bjorn ... any chance you will do your famous consumtion test with roof rails and ski box (in winther) ... thnx
Great video!
What is the application called? Also is it available on iOS?
Tires ?
Hi Björn, I love this app !! Is it also available in the apple store?? I have a Tesla model 3.
Very interesting ..... A pity this soft not available for IOS ..... 👍👍👍
Hi Bjorn! Thanks for all the great videos and information. I
love the channel. Wonder if you can answer a couple of questions for me
regarding EVs and wheel sizes. First, if we use the Kona as an example with 17”
wheels, what effect would 18” or even 20” inch wheels have on the range? I
assume bigger tyres equals more friction equals decreased range but how much
less could one expect? Second, would larger tyres cause the odometer reading to
be inaccurate? Would larger wheels measure more distance that actually
travelled or less distance than actually travelled? Sorry, I know these question are unrelated to the topic of this video.
Bjorn! I thought you were in the land of the Thais
That's good shit! 😉
Upcoming off road video?
Sorry, bit of an off topic question but my dad has a 2017 Model S P90DL as he wants to know what this app is called and also I want to know what the “Emergency calls only” at the top of your phone means.
I live in suburb of Chicago Illinois so it would be cool to see what happens fully in stop and go traffic and also temp reflection on battery.
Next step is to try Track Mode on the snow!
This must be the world's first Tesla bus as the author drives on a bus lane to overtake another car.
EVs in Norway are allowed to drive in the bus lane. Didn't you know that already?
Hiii Bjorn, if u can explain to us road toll fees in norway especially for non Norwegian cars and what's the best way to deal with it.
You just drive and they will send you a bill in the post. If you have an electronic tag for a bridge etc in your country, they might have a collaboration that gives you e.g. 10% off the price (EasyGo/Øresundsbro in Denmark does this). Don't expect the prices you pay to be anywhere close to the cheap price Bjørn is paying, though...
Yeah also, it's pretty expensive for gas cars to pass the toll stations and especially expensive without an autopass tag/sticker as Deddily mentioned. Electric cars have a significant price reduction tho.
good !
Is that app only for Tesla or does it work on other ev's as well?
thanks
If you keep saying “shiaaaaaat” I would watch the entire video.
Does anyone has some literature about front and rear motors « fighting » each other in an all wheel drive EV ? Find that interesting although odd at first. My gut feeling is it can’t happen but I’m looking for a more scientific opinion.
If all wheel drive is always on then it will be prone to understeer, if all 4 wheel are working when needed then understeer is less prevalent (This is just what I think)
This reminds me why i live in warm climate area year round ...
Nahhh pfft that's boring 😂
hahahaha: Shiiiiiieeeeetttt
To test and compare a 2 motor drive with a 4 motor drive electric
An exotic predator follows its prey, 1820, colorized.
Hi Bjorn
What is the name of this 3rd party Tesla app (for the diagnostics)? Is it free or a paid one?
watch the video. it's mentioned, in the description too. Scan my Tesla or TM-SPY.
@@dominoc5 OK but where can one buy the cable to connect the dongle emitting to the phone ?
I was driving around last year in 2 inches of snow. It limited it to 12 mph but it was very nice. Now on hard snow, I did notice some slippage probably was more ice.
15:23 I remember you testing Optimus here. Hold mode oh yeah very nice
Time to unsubscribe. Trolololol
Nah, maybe bump Patreon another $2 / month
foolish mortals
last weekend I took my long range dual motor car across the Sierra (in California) during a major storm. Chain controls everywhere, but the Tesla had no problems without using chains. Thanks to Bjorn, now we know how this works! th-cam.com/video/pP6A74GwZQ0/w-d-xo.html
😊👍🌹
Festschmutzsalz
:)
🤣😂shhheeeeeeeeeeeet!!