@@unseenverse7777 Tesla aren't even number 1 in the US. They don't even rank in any other country. What little lead they had they completely wasted with 10 years of promising the same vapourware and never delivering. Every aspect of Tesla has been done better and sells better by other companies now. It was the first to try FSD, and now it's the lowest rated in the market by a long margin. Robotaxi's already exist in other cars but they will never work on the existing Tesla's because they don't have even half of the equipment needed. Cameras alone simply do not, and can not work. No existing computer has the power to run that sort of software.
Interesting the Chinese "tourists" brought measuring tapes . My father told me a story decades ago when he was showing around some Japanese tourists to a American made state of art sugar mill in Philippines. They took lots of pictures
Useful technology should multiply. I know, I know Intellectual Property and all that, but having competitors who build on existing technology is not that bad of a thing. We don't want people to reinvent the wheel and miss out on potentially useful innovation.
@@Pranav_Bhamidipati yes, and old technology gets replaced by new ones. So we must always innovate. In the case above. Cane sugar got replaced by Corn syrup in American markets. So the sugar mill was sold to Filipinos. But it earned enough for the Filipino owners to buy the local telephone and electric companies from their American owners. Those would later operate the mobile and solar/wind business still used today. As for the Japanese, they didnt develop a sugar mill, they found a way to to turn cane sugar into MSG and that is still profitable
On a Megacharger, one hour fo a nearly full recharge. But it can perfectly be charged with regular Superchargers (obviously with an access adapted to semis) during the driver's mandatory rest time, UNLESS the truck is operated double shift.
we can only guess at the savings for brakes, tyres & other maintenance for the Tesla Semi because of Regen braking 🤔 These costs are huge for diesel semis & will only increase the ROI & shorten the payback term for these trucks, game over for the incumbents ( we will also see the disappearance of the “do not use engine braking in this area” signs ) 👏🏼
@@falrusnot sure if regen would help tires, definitely helps the brakes, but not sure how it would save tread as that does not have much to do with braking.
Regen braking is smoother than manual braking, how many times do u see trucks locking up their tyres & leaving a couple hundred $ of rubber on the road 🤔 regardless I was referring more to the savings from all of the other benefits the smoothness & linear power delivery an electric vehicle offers.
Why not? Here in Europe, we see the fleet of electric trucks increase noticeably on almost a monthly basis. The day of diesel rigs are numbered! The Tesla Semi been by far the most efficient of them all, why wouldn't it take a commanding market share, like the Model Y did in its category of vehicles?
@@st-ex8506 _"Why not? Here in Europe, we see the fleet of electric trucks increase noticeably on almost a monthly basis. The day of diesel rigs are numbered!"_ EV big rigs have to overcome a few issues. 1. Profitablity. They need to be able to carry enough load to be profitable. Those truck batteries are really, really heavy. 2. Range. The bigger the load the shorter the range. 3. Grunt. EVs can certainly compete with diesels in grunt, but at the expense of dramatically reduced range. 4. Charging stations. There are drastic problems with lack of charging stations for cars, let alone trucks, and vandalism to steal the copper has become a thing. 4. Recharge time. In some ways the biggest hurdle when it comes to the big picture. Some companies can have charging stations at their depots, and charge trucks in shifts - this is workable for short haul trucks maybe; not so good for long haulers. If widespread adoption occurs, the drain on the energy grid will ramp up like crazy, in much the way cloud server farms are starting to stress the grids. And then, when blackouts start happening, hope those depots have big industrial diesel generators to charge their trucks.
As an ex Truck driver I do not like the way the glass at the front and sides is fairly restrictive. When driving a semi you need an un obstructive view of the road and everyone on it. On the plus side if it does what it says it can do then it should be a winner.
You might not appreciate his opinions, but crazy, he has not become! May I ask why you watched that video, and comment on that platform... which is OBVIOUSLY related to him?!
@@maxhugenthere are over 2k parts in a icev engine while there are only 20 in a ev engines which one do you think companies will choose for lower maintainence as for the depreciation it only happened for obsolete models like the pre 2023 model 3 and Porsche taycan and even that was around 30%
@@Globalscanningeyes You're being naive, and uniformed. *"Survey shows high EV repairs & insurance costs mean Americans aren’t ready to make the switch"* Why do you think insurance costs are increasing well above equiv. ICE cars? *"Hertz is now offloading more than 30,000 electric cars"* Started with high maintenance costs, then exacerbated by huge depreciation costs.
@@Globalscanningeyes No, every article re insurance clearly states it's higher for EVs. Don't you check _anything_ ? And Hertz is replacing EVs with ICE cars. *"Rental giant Hertz dumps EVs, including Teslas, for gas cars"*
@@johnsavage6628Tesla still sells the majority of EVs globally and is the only EV company to make a significant profit. The Model Y is the #1 vehicle of any kind (including gas vehicles) in the world. Cybertruck is now selling as many as all other EV pickups combined. Not sure how you can call the #1 EV company and of the top auto manufacturers in the world, and the company/vehicles that every other automaker benchmarks against and tries to copy a "failure". Your comment is a failure. 😅
@@johnsavage6628and when we were using horses instead of gas cars there was a point where there was only 1% on the roads, but your number is fabricated to drive the narrative you want, actually 9.3% of vehicles on the road are electric. And in the first quarter of 2024 7.9% of new car registrations were electric as well.
It beats them ALL on almost all specs: - It has MUCH more range - It is lighter... despite the additional range - It is more powerful (except for he only case of the IVECO HD BEV) - It is significantly more efficient - It recharges faster than all of them - It is equipped to be autonomous when autonomy software is ready - and more
@@rogergeyer9851 Looks like you dont get out much in the real world. Trade one pollutant for another ... only Electric cars and trucks are a environmental disaster in the making ... Lithium Batteries expel deadly gases when charging and discharging which are ... highly toxic to us and the environment and of course a constant chance of fire. They endanger people and property at a very high level . There are also concerns of EMFs and EMFR levels that manufacturers are trying to steer clear of .
Not distance, because that is limited by legal driving hours, not by drive train technology. But on time? Yes, especially in hilly and mountainous terrain. Reliability? Easy and large plus for the Semi. Efficiency? HUGE plus for electric trucks!
That is not true about semi's in the U.S.. The reason we went to hoods over cabover's is that truck drivers got tired of climbing over the humps in the cab. Freightliner and International both came out with flat floor but it was too late. This is why the industry went to a hooded truck instead of a cabover. As for me, I would drive a cabover.
there is a Pepsi bottling place minutes from my house. I have not yet seen one here but, can't wait till that day. I live in Southern California so that might make sense why I haven't seen one yet. As this location is not that big.
Diesel is slightly more reliable at the moment because the charging infrastructure isn't good enough yet. But who cares if cost per mile is 30% to 50% lower for electrics?
I am bloody sure a (good, well-engineered) electric truck can beat a diesel one on reliability all the time! It will beat it on costs also all the time... badly. It will only be inferior, for the time being, on very long-haul duties...
@@w0ttheh3ll charging infrastructure has nothing to do with how "reliable" the electric truck is. If there are charging stations where you need them, it doesn't matter what the infrastructure is like anywhere else, you can reliably do the route you're doing.
@@truhartwood3170 You're right, but in Europe right now we have charging stations that sometimes don't work and sometimes are overrun by demand spikes. There will be some rare circumstances where an electric truck is delayed because of that. The same problems exist for Diesel in principle, but are less common.
It's a pipe dream that the Tesla class 8 truck is going to dominate the trucking industry any time soon. Pepsi can afford the $250K cost of the EV Semi but the 800,000+ owner operators who haul 70% of the US goods are not likely to pay that plus the higher insurance costs.
They'll save in fuel costs, parts and maintenance with an EV. It's already that way. No wonder so many Americans are poor and struggling. No critical thinking skills and they can't do math. Tesla sold 1.8 million EVs at a profit in 2023. That's more EVs than Ford sold in trucks. The EVs have an 8 year, 120,000 to 150,000 mile warranty on the battery, drivetrain and motors. The batteries can last over 500,000 miles. The electric motors can last 1 million miles.
Why are you making up numbers??? Nobody knows (outside Tesla and their present partners) the price Tesla will charge for a Semi. Guesstimates are anywhere between 160 and 250k$. You just picked the highest guesstimate to suit your narrative! In Europe at least, insurance premiums on electric truck (and electric cars, too) are LOWER than on ICE vehicles, which is normal, as they are considerably safer. That is again disinformation you swallowed hook, line and sinker! In Europe again, operating a class-8 electric truck saves the operator around €70'000 ($75'000) PER YEAR on diesel fuel, net of electricity, alone.... plus several thousands on maintenance. Don't you think that even an owner-operator would be interested by such savings? Even if the sticker price is higher, that's a message a bank will approve!
That is what they said about Model T ; depending on the operating conditions, it does have a role and soon will also be autonomous; it is not a replacement but an alternative:
A bit Wrong. The 6 x 2 (mid lift) as we call it, with lifting first rear axle) is more common in EU and UK. Mid axle is auto lifted or auto down depending on pin weight.
That is not an 🇪🇪Estonian name, he probably is an expat or a business owner as Estonia promotes and helps startups even for foreners, makes it supper easy, flat tax rate(no tax at all for small companies) and even can start and run a company from anywhere in the world. Aslo due to Estonia being the top (often top1) in the world in internet and press freedom (+ nation wide symmetrical gigabit unlimited data internet if you are located here) makes it supper easy to have and run IT related companies.👍
lol, Jaan is not an Estonian name? Tell that to my mom lol. This is *THE* most basic name in old Estonian, like literally very common. I am born and bred here and I agree - the country rocks.
_In the real world drivers are switching back to diesel because of the downtime caused by having to charge twice a day._ No they're not. Charging from 10% to 90% at a Megacharger takes about an hour, which is easily done during shift change. You do know about HOS regulations, right?
Not doing CCS is very bold because all electric trucks in Europe are using 300kW / 400 kW CCS chargers including Tesla's V4 charging stations. So they are going to put again all their own Megawatt chargers everywhere? I think they should go CCS and MCS in Europe and roll out their own plug in the USA....
...there is no need for ANY so-called Megachargers "everywhere"! They MAY be needed, but ONLY at trucks' bases for dual-shift operations. Otherwise V4, and even V3 Superchargers (only installed in a way suitable for semi-trucks) are all that is needed while on the road! What is dearly needed and still largely missing are low-power (50-80 kW) night chargers at truck stops, not Megachargers.
So many reactions of copying the tesla semi. For me the Windrose e-truck is already a copy of the semi. But the ceo claims Tesla only has made 100 Semi's in 2 years, is that true? I can't imagine pepsi has only 100 semi's driving for the company.
Electric trucking is about to take over the World, but if Tesla want a significant market share in Europe, they have to move quickly and with intent. The Semi prototypes exhibited at IAA Hannover don't show any intent. They weren't even able (or didn't bother) to fit the truck's width to European max width. Worse, they didn't even bother to fit a charging connector that's actually available in Europe.
Ok, so don't use it for that yet. It will take many years to just to replace the 80% of diesel semi routes that it can currently take over. It doesn't have to be able to take over 100% of routes to be worth building them.
Not in Europe. Speed limit is 50 MPH and drivers are only allowed to drive for 4.5 hours before they have to take a 45 min break. Drivers are allowed to drive for 9 hours per day. Trucks drive faster than the speed limit, but not above 55 MPH. The longest distance you can cover before stopping to rest is 250 miles. The longest distance you can cover in a day is 500 miles. When you stop, you plug in the vehicle to charge. Trucks with a 300 to 400 mile range work just fine.
I wonder which trucking company will be the first to need it's own powerstation just to recharge these things and how much the cost of shipping will explode due to that cost.
"powerstation"??? I guess you rather mean "sub-station", which is something fundamentally different. Of course, a power sub-station will be needed for any warehouse equipped with one or several megacharger(s). But a large warehouse probably already has a sub-station. It will likely need to be either re-inforced, or possibly a Megapack installed to smooth our the demand, and privilege buying electricity at off-peak rates. Having the warehouse roof covered by solar panels should be an obvious investment sustaining at least 2 trucks in a double-shift duty per acre of roof surface. All of this is no insignificant investment, but relatively trivial PER TRUCK deserved... and, most importantly, very quickly paid back! Most importantly, the cost of shipping will DECREASE because electric trucks are so much cheaper to operate than diesel ones!
@@w0ttheh3ll I f you mean by "power station" an industry or warehouse, installing solar panels on their roofs + battery storage, then I fully agree with you. I actually was replying to @The_Slippery_Slope whose comment was totally out of proportion and devoid of logic! Tschüss!
What's the big deal about this semi... it won't change anything because: swoop & squat. They should set this thing up to haul an RV trailer. Set your destination, go to bed, wake up parked up half way across the country.
No green house gasses, quiet, safer, less maintenance/more up time and therefore it's overall cheaper. Other than being better in almost every way, yeah, nothing much to see here.
@@truhartwood3170 No greenhouse gasses... Wow, you've been deep into that koolaid, haven't you? 'Green'... isn't. Sure, it's greenER, but it's not green by any stretch.
@@amzarnacht6710 does it produce GHGs? No. Charge it with any non-GHG producing source and producing the electricity to charge it doesn't either. Absolutely not possible at all with diesel, right?
@@truhartwood3170 You fail to factor in the insane toxicity of producing those 'non GHG' power generation sources. Many of which are minimally recyclable (turbine blades, the collection array of a solar panel). Not to mention many raw materials are sourced with the equivalent of slave labor. Get off your 'renewable' high horse - it's not very high at all. Yes, there are very viable benefits, but believing them to be the ultimate panacea is foolishness if not outright stupidity. And there is a power source available now that has had a long track record and 1/10000ths the death toll of coal or oil, even renewables. But if I told you what it was you'd burst a blood vessel.
@@amzarnacht6710 ABSOLUTELY zero emission, it is not. But MUCH "greener", it definitely is. It's not because something is not perfect that it should be rejected. It just has to be bloody good... and the Tesla Semi definitely is!
But they don’t have the production capacity or even the basic technology. They can’t build a semi for what Tesla can so they will never have the margins that Tesla has. Margin advantage is very similar to the CT or the Model Y.
Yes, yes and no. The "no" to the last question is debatable. In terms of the overall objective of Tesla to contribute to a faster transition to clean energies, then putting those batteries in a Semi pack is clearly better. A truck is often driven 10 times as many miles per year as a family SUV. IF the availability of batteries is the bottleneck for generating higher profits, then building 20 Model Y might at the contrary be better. But I do not think Tesla's vehicle business is battery constraint anymore, the recent brisk growth in grid storage being a reliable indicator.
Good question! But the 500-mile version of the Semi has a battery pack of ca. 850 kWh. That is 11 model Ys, not 20. In terms of maximizing gross margin per kWh of battery installed, you are probably right. But Tesla is not battery constrained anymore. Furthermore, maximizing profitability is nowhere in Tesla's corporate mission. It is more like helping the energy transition happen quicker. And only 1 Semi will prevent the use of much more fossil fuels than even 20 Model Ys!
This'll take capital investment, for charging network and much more, and thus deciding whether Tesla is an AI company, or invests heavily in EVs again.
Mercedes owns Freightliner. Freightliner is the #1 Semi producer in America. Mercedes is shitting a brick right now. They see billions in profits vanishing in 3 years. Freightliner only sold 97k new Semis in America in 2023. Tesla plans to build 50k Semis a year after a 3 year ramp. What would you do if your company lost half its sales in just 3 years? Could you even stay in business? I am pretty sure Freightliner prices will be falling very quickly very soon. On the plus side gas/diesel prices will be falling over the next 2 years, Thanks Biden! That cheap fuel might help Mercedes sell a few more semis? Maybe?
Oh no, you are saying Elon lied! Because following his word from 2017 this truck is produced since 2019! and it already has disrupted the truck market! or has it? So here we are in 2024, showing a truck in Europe that does not fit in european regulations. a truck of which 36 are rolling for Pepsi in the US. whereas in Germany alone there are already more than 700 electric class8 trucks from different brands on the road. This may be again only an action to push the stock market.
1 hour to charge at 1mw, there are 3 million semi trucks in the US, thats 3 million megawatt hours, twice a day. 3000GWs just to charge trucks, and then add on the 12m smaller trucks. The entire US grid can supply 1300GWs.
So what? They won't charge at peak consumption time, and won't charge all at the same time. Yes, the grid will have to be re-inforced to transition to an all-electric world, but what has to be done to enable it is LESS of an increment, that was needed in the 60s and 70s to accommodate the new consumption from A/C systems. It was successfully done then, it will be done again in the coming years. New technologies and a higher base make it even easier now! No sweat! Don't look at the grid as a fixed entity like, I don't know... a bridge with a fixed maximum capacity. It is evolving and growing every year.
American longhaul trucker here who hauls equipment for power companies. Everyone talks about the grid but where is the power going to come from? When was the last time we built a new power plant in America? And it isn't just vehicles that want electricity. Those energy hogging, water using data centers will get first priority over vehicle charging
And guess what, electricity is infinite. As long as you can turn a magnet/magnetic field, you got electricity. Or, as long as you can produce photovoltaic cells, you got electricity.
Every old school car, truck review in the past would reference the up front cost. All of them, all the serious ones anyway, because auto media knew they were talking to car buyers, truck buyers. But not here from the Tesla fan boy Semi news. It’s all about how cool it is, vid clips of suits talking, and how work is done to keep cost “low”, but no actual cost given. No cost of that 1MW charger that has to come along , nor the near MW connection cost from the utility. So WTF is wrong you guys? We don’t have enough BS media flushing down the drain?
@@falrus At home or in a hotel! Most trucks are operated in and out of one or several bases, and the schedule are such that no driver ever has to sleep in the truck. Of course, that is not the case of trucks on long-haul duties, but those are a minority. That is what @MOB-Lee likely meant: Tesla has a huge market to address before it needs to bring in a sleeper-cab variant.
While I’m not anti EV, I’m concerned that they are being rushed to market. There should be regulations in place on what type of cargo EV rigs are permitted to haul until they have had a decade or two to mature. I think that it’s a bad idea to have a catalyst like a lithium battery pulling say a fuel tanker or some other flammable or caustic cargo. Lithium battery fires runaway fast and are hard to control.
EV battery fires are 60 times less likely than ICE fires... that's right, 60 times, and that will only continue to improve. You can get an EV fire under control with a fire tarp super fast. You can look these that up right here on YT. Perhaps just to be 100% reasonably on top of things, maybe a semi might carry one, but sure all FD should have them ASAP, but most don't yet
Exactly what Travis said. Electric semis should actually be required by law when hauling dangerous cargo due to the lower chance of fires and the higher safety thanks to regenerative braking making it easy and safe to descend hills and the anti-jackknifing the independent electric motors can do.
@@travisjazzbo3490 I've been trying to tell other people that and ask why are firefighters using water knowing it will make it worse why aren't they using those fire blanket and use dry chemical power and Co2 extinguishers to put out the fire and at the same time cooling it down. But all they do is mock me and never really give any logical argument against the idea I was proposing
@@travisjazzbo3490 Fire tarp? Sorry, I think that's bullshit. Battery fires don't need air and glas fibre reinforced fire tarps will melt through very quickly if put on a burning semi battery. That would need to be some super-heavy-duty tarp.
@@xpreflex6265 It's mind-blowing how people are when one can literally see demonstrations of this on TH-cam. As you said, you can tell them the reality, but people's egos are so fragile that they want to hold onto their false narratives. I miss the time when pursuing the truth was considered important by everyone over all else.
Great presentation! First person experience outranks everything else! POWER PROBLEMS: us power is 120v 60c versus europe and the rest of the world is 220v 50c so in order to make all trucks compatible w/ccs, then another inverter/transformer(?) would have to be added to the tesla semi power system, which means added weight(inefficiency) as opposed to adding the conversion for european power to us power(base system cycles and voltages)at the charging station which does nor force any changes to the tesla semi PERSONAL APPLICANCES:
US houses can have 220v 60s plugs. Not to mention the power grids are in AC while the Semi Truck will do almost entirely DC charging. They want to to Megawatt charging which means a lot more than 220v
America has 220V 60Hz. The 220V is used for ovens and dryers, and split into 110V at the panel in the house. But as others have said, semis won't be charging at 220V like my sedan. Even overnight charging will call for say 100kW chargers.
Dude, CCS is a 400V to 1000V DC system. The Tesla superchargers are a 400V DC system. Cars and Trucks don't use "US power" or "Rest of the World power" internally. They directly use the DC that the batteries provide, and that's typically 400V to 1000V. DC chargers are designed to match that. I'm not sure if the Semi even has any systems that interface with US wall outlets, but if so, those would be auxiliary systems that are not essential for using the truck and in any case ase easily and relatively cheaply adaptable.
The factory to build the semi is well under construction right now. They're also building at a reasonably high production rate on their pilot line already. Pepsi already has around 86 or so, and Tesla has replaced all their shorter range diesel pickups with their own semis. Walmart and other companies will start getting some in the next few months. This is already a working product, with many dozens on the road daily doing normal delivery routes.
Yeah, Elon has a tendency to over-promise timelines. However, when you shoot for the stars and land on the moon, you've still made significant progress, I'd say.
@@Pranav_Bhamidipati Dude he shot for the star half a dozen times and still can't make it out of lower earth orbit 🤣😂 All that time and money was wasted doing something people already did 50+ years ago. Zero progress has been made.
It is true that Europeans almost always buy higher quality products than US consumers do. People over hear have learnt to count better, and don't stop at sticker price!
Do the math! 1 truck takes 1 MegaWatt to charge. 1000 trucks take 1 GigaWatt for 1 hour. 24 hrs a day is 24000 trucks absorbing 1 GigaWatt all day long. That is the total output of the Hoover dam. California has over 200,000 semi trucks. I love the truck, it is just is impractical for us to go all electric.
Even with ten percent charging at any one time, that's 20 gigawatts, compared to California's generation capacity of 87.7 GW in 2023. So, an increase, yes, electrification means more electric generation (and less production of other fuels). And that utilization of trucks seems improbably high, even for semis, at least for a statewide average.
You know it it’s really too bad. They get all this hype on these things and right now they’re only used on short halls around local communities. My understanding is it’s still too early yet to know if there is a bonus to them, but over the road long haul truckers they’re still years out from getting them on the interstates.
I am curious as to why no one is talking about outfitting the trailers with multiple battery packs in the floor. Yes, it would add weight but then it would also greatly extend the range as well. The batteries could also provide power for air-conditioning/refrigeration. The trailer could be slowly recharged when disconnected and stored at its base of operations. Is this doable or am I missing something?
Tesla originally came up with the concept for the semi when they were moving batteries around. They thought "why not charge the batteries we're transporting and have them power the semi that's transporting tbem!?". They quickly realized they can fit all the batteries they need in the truck itself and that batteries in the trailer aren't needed. They just add unnecessary complexity, cost and weight.
There are companies promoting similar concepts for camper trailers, in which they have their own batteries to extend the range of the towing EV pickup. (But EV pickups with 440 miles of range may have made that moot.)
@@alesh2275 Compete with what? There are no wider trucks than 2.55m to compete with because they are not allowed. And there is no prototype trucks on the road here. Volvo, Mercedes and Renault have delivered trucks up here for years. Electric truck sales increases 150% year over year here. Soon there wont be any customers for Tesla to sell to even if they make a skinner version. They got to haul ass if they are going to get a foot hold up here
100kwh for 100km….. this truck needs for 100km the same energy I use in my whole Appartement in a month. If the powergrid will not be updated asap all those electric semis won’t be scalable
I think that will be the main bottleneck. Grids around the world are now growing as fast as they can, but doing all the planning and executing to install the charging infrasteucture will go slower than Tesla could potentially build the trucks. I'm sure they could build 250,000/year, but there wouldn't be the charging set up for them. I think that's why they're only building the plant to be able to do 50,000/year right now.
Actually, grids in America grew faster in past decades, doubling the grid a couple of times in my lifetime. In America's intermountain west, cheaper than massive expansion of power lines may be building large solar farms and battery packs near semi fast charging facilities (truck stops). In Europe, perhaps a small modular nuclear reactor and a battery pack next to a semi fast charging station (truck stop). Power lines are expensive and politically unpopular.
I guess that you are European... The European grid can, already today, accommodate 100 million electric vehicles (truck and car confounded) or 40% of the European fleet. We are still far from that, except in Norway! And the grid is indeed being upgraded to handle a 100% electric fleet before 2040... so, certainly years ahead of schedule!. There neither is nor will be a grid capacity problem in Europe.
@@st-ex8506 but they still need to put in the substations, megapacks and chargers at the various locations and the lines to get the electricity to them. That's still a big project even if the electricity generation is there already. They said it takes a minimum of 1.5 years and typically more like 3 years to complete a project like that. Hopefully that will get more streamlined in the future (next 5 years or so), but for the short term, roll out will be slow.
@@truhartwood3170 Having projected and installed numerous sub-stations in my engineering career, I agree with you lower estimate (1.5 years) to complete an upgrade to a sub-.station (a major warehouse will most likely already have a sub-station, and be located close to a HV power line... if only to air-condition the building). It is NOT "typically more like 3 years". That would be a higher limit for a greenfield installation, located some miles away from a HV power line. NO ONE is going to locate an important distribution warehouse very far from a highway hub, and from major utilities! As Tesla is not ready to deliver Semis by the thousands every month, there is more than enough time for a purchaser to adapt their electric equipment. The first several units can certainly be recharged with the existing installation. It's only when the fleet start to get important, that an upgrade is needed. That won't slow down electric truck penetration the least bit. Rollout speed will be controlled by manufacturing throughput, NOT by adaptations needing to be done at the clients' sites!
_Stop for hours every 150 miles._ Actually, the Tesla Semi can drive >300 miles fully loaded, and charge from 10% to 90% in one hour, which is easily done between shifts. But don't let the facts get in the way of your FUD.
Yeah - but it’s not ! Not even close . It’s never gonna have any mass market appeal . European truck companies are already year ahead with hybrids and smaller EVs. Asia has full ev trucks already operating around cities globally . Tesla is over priced and has too many gimmicks and not built for the euro market. I wish people would wake up and realise Elon is not the genius you think he is and making incredible vehicles. He’s been overtaken by every other event brand already and still selling old styles and shapes.
Imagine doing a test ride in a convention hall with a diesel truck.😂
Death lol
Everyone will be taking naps!
I drive my truck indoors from time to time and it’s really my most favorite driving. I look forward to it
Those Chinese with the tape measure are reporting back to BYD. There will be a new Tesla semi knockoff in 2 weeks
Or Tesla Semi is a knockoff of Windrose e-truck...
@@Blockiee Another Chinese company that "plans" to build in the USA
The Chinese are far ahead of American companies in EV technology
@@Pat_KraPaoTesla is an American company and they're number 1 as of right now.
@@unseenverse7777 Tesla aren't even number 1 in the US. They don't even rank in any other country. What little lead they had they completely wasted with 10 years of promising the same vapourware and never delivering.
Every aspect of Tesla has been done better and sells better by other companies now. It was the first to try FSD, and now it's the lowest rated in the market by a long margin. Robotaxi's already exist in other cars but they will never work on the existing Tesla's because they don't have even half of the equipment needed. Cameras alone simply do not, and can not work. No existing computer has the power to run that sort of software.
What planet is this Guy from
Cool! You have on ground coverage
It is pretty cool
Interesting the Chinese "tourists" brought measuring tapes . My father told me a story decades ago when he was showing around some Japanese tourists to a American made state of art sugar mill in Philippines. They took lots of pictures
Useful technology should multiply. I know, I know Intellectual Property and all that, but having competitors who build on existing technology is not that bad of a thing. We don't want people to reinvent the wheel and miss out on potentially useful innovation.
@@Pranav_Bhamidipati yes, and old technology gets replaced by new ones. So we must always innovate. In the case above. Cane sugar got replaced by Corn syrup in American markets. So the sugar mill was sold to Filipinos. But it earned enough for the Filipino owners to buy the local telephone and electric companies from their American owners. Those would later operate the mobile and solar/wind business still used today. As for the Japanese, they didnt develop a sugar mill, they found a way to to turn cane sugar into MSG and that is still profitable
How long does it take to recharge the Tesla Semi ?
On a Megacharger, one hour fo a nearly full recharge. But it can perfectly be charged with regular Superchargers (obviously with an access adapted to semis) during the driver's mandatory rest time, UNLESS the truck is operated double shift.
45 minute
Please confirm you are a real announcer and not a bot
Please confirm you're not a Dimebag Darrell ripoff
It’s a real announcer dimebag
Trying only to support real creators
You can tell by the pauses between words.
This entire convo is between bots...
No Tesla product has ever taken over the world.
Model Y is the best selling car in the world in 2023
Lol
or ever will. delusional junk. the emperor has no clothes, but the Elon sycophants hoot and holler in absurd produced delight.
Outstanding report.
❤
Third generation CDL here, I’d make quick work of the small tractor. Something the world has never seen. The future is Electric 😄📈
we can only guess at the savings for brakes, tyres & other maintenance for the Tesla Semi because of Regen braking 🤔 These costs are huge for diesel semis & will only increase the ROI & shorten the payback term for these trucks, game over for the incumbents ( we will also see the disappearance of the “do not use engine braking in this area” signs ) 👏🏼
Does regen breaking actually reduce tyre wear?
Agreed with reduced maintenance on breaks, but Tyre wear is actually greater on EVs
@@falrusnot sure if regen would help tires, definitely helps the brakes, but not sure how it would save tread as that does not have much to do with braking.
It doesn't have the battery to go anywhere, so it's gonna sit still most of the day, so yes, these savings will be near 100%. 😊
Regen braking is smoother than manual braking, how many times do u see trucks locking up their tyres & leaving a couple hundred $ of rubber on the road 🤔 regardless I was referring more to the savings from all of the other benefits the smoothness & linear power delivery an electric vehicle offers.
_"The Tesla Semi Is About To Take Over The World"_
I don't think so, Tim.
Why not? Here in Europe, we see the fleet of electric trucks increase noticeably on almost a monthly basis. The day of diesel rigs are numbered!
The Tesla Semi been by far the most efficient of them all, why wouldn't it take a commanding market share, like the Model Y did in its category of vehicles?
@@st-ex8506 _"Why not? Here in Europe, we see the fleet of electric trucks increase noticeably on almost a monthly basis. The day of diesel rigs are numbered!"_
EV big rigs have to overcome a few issues.
1. Profitablity. They need to be able to carry enough load to be profitable. Those truck batteries are really, really heavy.
2. Range. The bigger the load the shorter the range.
3. Grunt. EVs can certainly compete with diesels in grunt, but at the expense of dramatically reduced range.
4. Charging stations. There are drastic problems with lack of charging stations for cars, let alone trucks, and vandalism to steal the copper has become a thing.
4. Recharge time. In some ways the biggest hurdle when it comes to the big picture. Some companies can have charging stations at their depots, and charge trucks in shifts - this is workable for short haul trucks maybe; not so good for long haulers. If widespread adoption occurs, the drain on the energy grid will ramp up like crazy, in much the way cloud server farms are starting to stress the grids.
And then, when blackouts start happening, hope those depots have big industrial diesel generators to charge their trucks.
Way to present a credible argument with lots of logic, credible evidence that's well sourced, etc. /s
Flat earthers make better arguments than that.
@@rogergeyer9851 True enough, but that's because I wasn't making an argument. I was simply voicing an opinion.
Of course it will if it costs less to run than diesel!
As an ex Truck driver I do not like the way the glass at the front and sides is fairly restrictive. When driving a semi you need an un obstructive view of the road and everyone on it. On the plus side if it does what it says it can do then it should be a winner.
Reviewers have called the visibility excellent. Having a low drag coefficient is a MUST to get good mileage.
Dont get sold a Box of Rock ... manufacturers Will tell you anything to make a sale, .. ANYTHING
Yes, that's diesel for you.
@@dvader3263yeah … its the other guy that does you wrong. that’s a grift or at least fanboy ignorance. Back out to your tree fort.
The boxy trucks are called cabovers. American drivers HATE them. Your're always the 1st to arrive at the scene of an accident!!
lol @ "1st to arrive at the scene of an accident' .. right.. you're in it!
Doing fine in Europe
It's sad that Elon musk has gone crazy. I can't be associated with anything even remotely related to him.
You’re the crazy one. Kamala, seriously.
You might not appreciate his opinions, but crazy, he has not become!
May I ask why you watched that video, and comment on that platform... which is OBVIOUSLY related to him?!
Wow 1 to 1.2 kw/ mile !
That and much cheaper maintenance & less vibration stress on drivers.
I can see why PepsiCo has been switching !
_"much cheaper maintenance"_ like EVs have *not* shown to be. And let's definitely not discuss EV depreciation!
@@maxhugenthere are over 2k parts in a icev engine while there are only 20 in a ev engines which one do you think companies will choose for lower maintainence as for the depreciation it only happened for obsolete models like the pre 2023 model 3 and Porsche taycan and even that was around 30%
@@Globalscanningeyes You're being naive, and uniformed. *"Survey shows high EV repairs & insurance costs mean Americans aren’t ready to make the switch"* Why do you think insurance costs are increasing well above equiv. ICE cars?
*"Hertz is now offloading more than 30,000 electric cars"* Started with high maintenance costs, then exacerbated by huge depreciation costs.
@@maxhugen the repair and insured cost are high for every vehicle right now and hertz literally had to do it because of it.
@@Globalscanningeyes No, every article re insurance clearly states it's higher for EVs. Don't you check _anything_ ? And Hertz is replacing EVs with ICE cars. *"Rental giant Hertz dumps EVs, including Teslas, for gas cars"*
Can they use the front wheels to generate charge while the back moves the truck
No.
Why say “all electric Tesla Semi Truck”? aren’t they ALL electric? Is there a hybrid version we don’t know about?
That was your complaint😂😂
Tesla has failed period. Musk is done. Ev's occupy 1 percent of all vehicles on the road. 1per cent. Sheesh! Make bicycles or something.
@@johnsavage6628 it’s 60% of Chinese new car sales
@@johnsavage6628Tesla still sells the majority of EVs globally and is the only EV company to make a significant profit. The Model Y is the #1 vehicle of any kind (including gas vehicles) in the world. Cybertruck is now selling as many as all other EV pickups combined. Not sure how you can call the #1 EV company and of the top auto manufacturers in the world, and the company/vehicles that every other automaker benchmarks against and tries to copy a "failure". Your comment is a failure. 😅
@@johnsavage6628and when we were using horses instead of gas cars there was a point where there was only 1% on the roads, but your number is fabricated to drive the narrative you want, actually 9.3% of vehicles on the road are electric. And in the first quarter of 2024 7.9% of new car registrations were electric as well.
Thanks 🙏. Good intel! I am curious to know how the Tesla Semi compares to the European competition. 🤔
It beats them ALL on almost all specs:
- It has MUCH more range
- It is lighter... despite the additional range
- It is more powerful (except for he only case of the IVECO HD BEV)
- It is significantly more efficient
- It recharges faster than all of them
- It is equipped to be autonomous when autonomy software is ready
- and more
What is that little truck behind Dan at 7:01 ?
something random from the IAA media side - this is all over their materials and not Tesla-specific
Never in your Wildest Dream will this Beat a Diesel Truck for distance, time saves, reliability, and efficiency
you are kidding, right?
it already does.
And the earth is flat. /s
Wake up.
@@rogergeyer9851 Looks like you dont get out much in the real world. Trade one pollutant for another ... only Electric cars and trucks are a environmental disaster in the making ... Lithium Batteries expel deadly gases when charging and discharging which are ... highly toxic to us and the environment and of course a constant chance of fire. They endanger people and property at a very high level . There are also concerns of EMFs and EMFR levels that manufacturers are trying to steer clear of .
Your wildest dream has arrived.
Not distance, because that is limited by legal driving hours, not by drive train technology.
But on time? Yes, especially in hilly and mountainous terrain.
Reliability? Easy and large plus for the Semi.
Efficiency? HUGE plus for electric trucks!
35 min to 80% Charging =410 km
That is not true about semi's in the U.S.. The reason we went to hoods over cabover's is that truck drivers got tired of climbing over the humps in the cab. Freightliner and International both came out with flat floor but it was too late. This is why the industry went to a hooded truck instead of a cabover. As for me, I would drive a cabover.
"take over the world"🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
there is a Pepsi bottling place minutes from my house. I have not yet seen one here but, can't wait till that day. I live in Southern California so that might make sense why I haven't seen one yet. As this location is not that big.
You simply can't beat a Diesel Truck to get the job done the first time, every time , on time
Uh.. Yes. Yes you can. What an exceptionally silly statement.
Diesel is slightly more reliable at the moment because the charging infrastructure isn't good enough yet.
But who cares if cost per mile is 30% to 50% lower for electrics?
I am bloody sure a (good, well-engineered) electric truck can beat a diesel one on reliability all the time! It will beat it on costs also all the time... badly. It will only be inferior, for the time being, on very long-haul duties...
@@w0ttheh3ll charging infrastructure has nothing to do with how "reliable" the electric truck is. If there are charging stations where you need them, it doesn't matter what the infrastructure is like anywhere else, you can reliably do the route you're doing.
@@truhartwood3170 You're right, but in Europe right now we have charging stations that sometimes don't work and sometimes are overrun by demand spikes. There will be some rare circumstances where an electric truck is delayed because of that.
The same problems exist for Diesel in principle, but are less common.
i wonder if tesla will make an RV with roof solar panels to help extend the range or charge it when camping
Semi solid battery
Once you really understand the cost savings you can’t look back! Talk to any Truck driver on maintenance, costs , etc etc
I work on electrics and the maintenance is minimal
What cost savings? It can't pull any weight.
@@D64nz What do you mean "it can't pull any weight"???
The Semi can transport the same load as a diesel rig in the US, and a heavier load in Europe.
For those of you Sunday with all the info on the Tesla Truck please search TH-cam for a more in depth look
@@st-ex8506 Wrong. It only pulls light loads on flat ground. 😊
Which world?
All Tesla vehicles are 100% electric, so saying they also have an “All Electric Semi-truck in their fleet” (7:24) is confusing to your audience.
Way2go 👍 Great summary
Not until they can confirm the max load and vehicle weight, which they can't and won't.
Does battery emissions penetrate the cabs???????😮 install exhaust fans
_Does battery emissions penetrate the cabs?_
Batteries don't have emissions. But diesel engines certainly do...
on flat roads it may look good. but how is it in the mountain passes fully loaded?
It's a pipe dream that the Tesla class 8 truck is going to dominate the trucking industry any time soon. Pepsi can afford the $250K cost of the EV Semi but the 800,000+ owner operators who haul 70% of the US goods are not likely to pay that plus the higher insurance costs.
They'll save in fuel costs, parts and maintenance with an EV. It's already that way.
No wonder so many Americans are poor and struggling.
No critical thinking skills and they can't do math.
Tesla sold 1.8 million EVs at a profit in 2023.
That's more EVs than Ford sold in trucks.
The EVs have an 8 year, 120,000 to 150,000 mile warranty on the battery, drivetrain and motors.
The batteries can last over 500,000 miles.
The electric motors can last 1 million miles.
Why are you making up numbers??? Nobody knows (outside Tesla and their present partners) the price Tesla will charge for a Semi. Guesstimates are anywhere between 160 and 250k$. You just picked the highest guesstimate to suit your narrative!
In Europe at least, insurance premiums on electric truck (and electric cars, too) are LOWER than on ICE vehicles, which is normal, as they are considerably safer. That is again disinformation you swallowed hook, line and sinker!
In Europe again, operating a class-8 electric truck saves the operator around €70'000 ($75'000) PER YEAR on diesel fuel, net of electricity, alone.... plus several thousands on maintenance. Don't you think that even an owner-operator would be interested by such savings? Even if the sticker price is higher, that's a message a bank will approve!
That is what they said about Model T ; depending on the operating conditions, it does have a role and soon will also be autonomous; it is not a replacement but an alternative:
Excellent News, I've been wanting to how things are proceeding in Europe for ages...
The futures bright, the futures Tesla Semi!
I really wish they would push this thing hard instead of that pointless Cybertruck.
A bit Wrong. The 6 x 2 (mid lift) as we call it, with lifting first rear axle) is more common in EU and UK. Mid axle is auto lifted or auto down depending on pin weight.
23 August : 2 Tesla simis arrived Giga Berlin from America.
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Jon is rocking hot
Very interesting, great to see actual real footage and news. Thank you!
How many do they build per month? There’s a large market for this truck but it’s not taking over anything anytime soon
I really enjoyed this episode.
Didn't know they already had a name for the MCS= Megawatt Charging Standard
that semi will rock the show
That is not an 🇪🇪Estonian name,
he probably is an expat or a business owner as Estonia promotes and helps startups even for foreners, makes it supper easy, flat tax rate(no tax at all for small companies) and even can start and run a company from anywhere in the world.
Aslo due to Estonia being the top (often top1) in the world in internet and press freedom (+ nation wide symmetrical gigabit unlimited data internet if you are located here) makes it supper easy to have and run IT related companies.👍
lol, Jaan is not an Estonian name? Tell that to my mom lol.
This is *THE* most basic name in old Estonian, like literally very common. I am born and bred here and I agree - the country rocks.
Jaan Juurikas isn't Estonian? Just like Trump didn't think Obama was American.
In the real world drivers are switching back to diesel because of the downtime caused by having to charge twice a day.
_In the real world drivers are switching back to diesel because of the downtime caused by having to charge twice a day._
No they're not. Charging from 10% to 90% at a Megacharger takes about an hour, which is easily done during shift change. You do know about HOS regulations, right?
Achei que eram volante de direção para naves espaciais 😅
As telas touch-screen ganham e garantem melhor qualidade no espaço fora da terra.
Not doing CCS is very bold because all electric trucks in Europe are using 300kW / 400 kW CCS chargers including Tesla's V4 charging stations. So they are going to put again all their own Megawatt chargers everywhere? I think they should go CCS and MCS in Europe and roll out their own plug in the USA....
No it's just dumb. It's very on brand for Enron "I lost 80% of the value of X" Musk. 😊
...there is no need for ANY so-called Megachargers "everywhere"! They MAY be needed, but ONLY at trucks' bases for dual-shift operations. Otherwise V4, and even V3 Superchargers (only installed in a way suitable for semi-trucks) are all that is needed while on the road!
What is dearly needed and still largely missing are low-power (50-80 kW) night chargers at truck stops, not Megachargers.
Why did The space race channel go off road ?
There aren't roads in space
@@TheTeslaSpace nice haha, but it was sad to see so much dirt on Elon on its last video, despite all his efforts in advancing space exploration
What a crock of horseshit!
As a machine supplier to other semi truck makers, I wish to work on these instead.
First comment what do I win?
Actually, you were the 2nd comment. Near miss!
A brand new tesla......Refrigerator magnet!
AddaBoy!
Cringy dork of the day. Congrats.
@@genericyoutubeuser3828 story of my life!
The frito lay semi is carrying chips could probably haul two trailers full of
So many reactions of copying the tesla semi. For me the Windrose e-truck is already a copy of the semi. But the ceo claims Tesla only has made 100 Semi's in 2 years, is that true? I can't imagine pepsi has only 100 semi's driving for the company.
Electric trucking is about to take over the World, but if Tesla want a significant market share in Europe, they have to move quickly and with intent.
The Semi prototypes exhibited at IAA Hannover don't show any intent. They weren't even able (or didn't bother) to fit the truck's width to European max width. Worse, they didn't even bother to fit a charging connector that's actually available in Europe.
Well it's about time . 100km/hr is ridiculous, my car is high performance where the 9th gear kicks in @ 120km/hr .
Needs to be 4 speed
Here in Denmark i Drive Volvo FM Electric wih 666 horsepower
It needs 1k miles minimum for over the road trucking.
Ok, so don't use it for that yet. It will take many years to just to replace the 80% of diesel semi routes that it can currently take over. It doesn't have to be able to take over 100% of routes to be worth building them.
@@truhartwood3170 Agreed.
Not in Europe. Speed limit is 50 MPH and drivers are only allowed to drive for 4.5 hours before they have to take a 45 min break. Drivers are allowed to drive for 9 hours per day. Trucks drive faster than the speed limit, but not above 55 MPH.
The longest distance you can cover before stopping to rest is 250 miles. The longest distance you can cover in a day is 500 miles. When you stop, you plug in the vehicle to charge.
Trucks with a 300 to 400 mile range work just fine.
@@w0ttheh3ll That’s assuming theirs charging stations working at all times & for every truck. 🙄
@@GuestTH-camUser correct
I wonder which trucking company will be the first to need it's own powerstation just to recharge these things and how much the cost of shipping will explode due to that cost.
Many trucking companies in Germany are building their own power stations right now, because it significantly lowers their cost.
"powerstation"??? I guess you rather mean "sub-station", which is something fundamentally different.
Of course, a power sub-station will be needed for any warehouse equipped with one or several megacharger(s). But a large warehouse probably already has a sub-station. It will likely need to be either re-inforced, or possibly a Megapack installed to smooth our the demand, and privilege buying electricity at off-peak rates.
Having the warehouse roof covered by solar panels should be an obvious investment sustaining at least 2 trucks in a double-shift duty per acre of roof surface.
All of this is no insignificant investment, but relatively trivial PER TRUCK deserved... and, most importantly, very quickly paid back!
Most importantly, the cost of shipping will DECREASE because electric trucks are so much cheaper to operate than diesel ones!
@@st-ex8506
I meant mainly photovoltaic + battery installations. Not sure if you're replying to my comment or the original one.
@@w0ttheh3ll I f you mean by "power station" an industry or warehouse, installing solar panels on their roofs + battery storage, then I fully agree with you.
I actually was replying to @The_Slippery_Slope whose comment was totally out of proportion and devoid of logic!
Tschüss!
More BS Tesla lies.
@@bobbybishop5662 more BS Tesla haters
5:38 MCS Megawatt Charging System protocol expected to be finalized by end of 2024
Edison motors
I'm surprised it didn't catch on fire during the filming of the video.. impressive!!
ICE vehicles have a much higher rate of fires than EVs.
Read and learn.
National Fire Protection Agency and the NHTSA.
What's the big deal about this semi... it won't change anything because: swoop & squat.
They should set this thing up to haul an RV trailer. Set your destination, go to bed, wake up parked up half way across the country.
No green house gasses, quiet, safer, less maintenance/more up time and therefore it's overall cheaper. Other than being better in almost every way, yeah, nothing much to see here.
@@truhartwood3170 No greenhouse gasses... Wow, you've been deep into that koolaid, haven't you?
'Green'... isn't.
Sure, it's greenER, but it's not green by any stretch.
@@amzarnacht6710 does it produce GHGs? No. Charge it with any non-GHG producing source and producing the electricity to charge it doesn't either. Absolutely not possible at all with diesel, right?
@@truhartwood3170 You fail to factor in the insane toxicity of producing those 'non GHG' power generation sources. Many of which are minimally recyclable (turbine blades, the collection array of a solar panel). Not to mention many raw materials are sourced with the equivalent of slave labor.
Get off your 'renewable' high horse - it's not very high at all. Yes, there are very viable benefits, but believing them to be the ultimate panacea is foolishness if not outright stupidity.
And there is a power source available now that has had a long track record and 1/10000ths the death toll of coal or oil, even renewables. But if I told you what it was you'd burst a blood vessel.
@@amzarnacht6710 ABSOLUTELY zero emission, it is not. But MUCH "greener", it definitely is.
It's not because something is not perfect that it should be rejected. It just has to be bloody good... and the Tesla Semi definitely is!
Copy cats are there…
But they don’t have the production capacity or even the basic technology. They can’t build a semi for what Tesla can so they will never have the margins that Tesla has. Margin advantage is very similar to the CT or the Model Y.
😂😂😂
Snooping around for sure …. Point is noted!
is this thing going to be profitable? and justifualbly profitable ? isn't the battery pack better used to make 20 model Ys?
Obviously it will be profitable or they wouldn't do it. Tesla doesn't make products it loses money on. It's not Ford or GM or Volvo 😅
@@truhartwood3170except AI
Yes, yes and no.
The "no" to the last question is debatable. In terms of the overall objective of Tesla to contribute to a faster transition to clean energies, then putting those batteries in a Semi pack is clearly better. A truck is often driven 10 times as many miles per year as a family SUV.
IF the availability of batteries is the bottleneck for generating higher profits, then building 20 Model Y might at the contrary be better. But I do not think Tesla's vehicle business is battery constraint anymore, the recent brisk growth in grid storage being a reliable indicator.
@@truhartwood3170Tesla has lost money in the Cybertruck.
Good question!
But the 500-mile version of the Semi has a battery pack of ca. 850 kWh. That is 11 model Ys, not 20.
In terms of maximizing gross margin per kWh of battery installed, you are probably right. But Tesla is not battery constrained anymore.
Furthermore, maximizing profitability is nowhere in Tesla's corporate mission. It is more like helping the energy transition happen quicker. And only 1 Semi will prevent the use of much more fossil fuels than even 20 Model Ys!
This'll take capital investment, for charging network and much more, and thus deciding whether Tesla is an AI company, or invests heavily in EVs again.
Mercedes owns Freightliner. Freightliner is the #1 Semi producer in America. Mercedes is shitting a brick right now. They see billions in profits vanishing in 3 years. Freightliner only sold 97k new Semis in America in 2023. Tesla plans to build 50k Semis a year after a 3 year ramp. What would you do if your company lost half its sales in just 3 years? Could you even stay in business? I am pretty sure Freightliner prices will be falling very quickly very soon.
On the plus side gas/diesel prices will be falling over the next 2 years, Thanks Biden! That cheap fuel might help Mercedes sell a few more semis? Maybe?
Oh no, you are saying Elon lied! Because following his word from 2017 this truck is produced since 2019! and it already has disrupted the truck market! or has it?
So here we are in 2024, showing a truck in Europe that does not fit in european regulations. a truck of which 36 are rolling for Pepsi in the US.
whereas in Germany alone there are already more than 700 electric class8 trucks from different brands on the road.
This may be again only an action to push the stock market.
Maravilha conhecimento e tudo essa es nossa marca favorita não é seus produtos são verdadeiros sonhos de consumo de todos já
Chinese market is bit interesting to say the least 😂
1 hour to charge at 1mw, there are 3 million semi trucks in the US, thats 3 million megawatt hours, twice a day.
3000GWs just to charge trucks, and then add on the 12m smaller trucks.
The entire US grid can supply 1300GWs.
So what? They won't charge at peak consumption time, and won't charge all at the same time.
Yes, the grid will have to be re-inforced to transition to an all-electric world, but what has to be done to enable it is LESS of an increment, that was needed in the 60s and 70s to accommodate the new consumption from A/C systems.
It was successfully done then, it will be done again in the coming years. New technologies and a higher base make it even easier now! No sweat!
Don't look at the grid as a fixed entity like, I don't know... a bridge with a fixed maximum capacity. It is evolving and growing every year.
American longhaul trucker here who hauls equipment for power companies. Everyone talks about the grid but where is the power going to come from? When was the last time we built a new power plant in America? And it isn't just vehicles that want electricity. Those energy hogging, water using data centers will get first priority over vehicle charging
And guess what, electricity is infinite. As long as you can turn a magnet/magnetic field, you got electricity. Or, as long as you can produce photovoltaic cells, you got electricity.
Actual US consumption in 2024 was 4000 terrawatt hours which works out to almost 11,000 gigawatt hours per day.
Every old school car, truck review in the past would reference the up front cost. All of them, all the serious ones anyway, because auto media knew they were talking to car buyers, truck buyers. But not here from the Tesla fan boy Semi news. It’s all about how cool it is, vid clips of suits talking, and how work is done to keep cost “low”, but no actual cost given. No cost of that 1MW charger that has to come along , nor the near MW connection cost from the utility. So WTF is wrong you guys? We don’t have enough BS media flushing down the drain?
auto pilot ?
Sleeper cabs wont be needed for long
Where is the driver going to sleep while the thing is charging?
@@falrus At home or in a hotel!
Most trucks are operated in and out of one or several bases, and the schedule are such that no driver ever has to sleep in the truck. Of course, that is not the case of trucks on long-haul duties, but those are a minority. That is what @MOB-Lee likely meant: Tesla has a huge market to address before it needs to bring in a sleeper-cab variant.
Lol. Tesla are smart enough to send a fake chasis with weird measurements for the Chinese to copy.
So much for that mission statement of providing an affordable vehicle for the masses, just more toys for useless rich people.
Why is it that people use Capital letters for units that are not; kilometres = km not KM or Km?
Does Elon supporting Trump change support of Tesla?
No. Cars will never replace the horse
@@pamelagerritz1453 what?
👍🏻🙏🏻❤️
While I’m not anti EV, I’m concerned that they are being rushed to market. There should be regulations in place on what type of cargo EV rigs are permitted to haul until they have had a decade or two to mature. I think that it’s a bad idea to have a catalyst like a lithium battery pulling say a fuel tanker or some other flammable or caustic cargo. Lithium battery fires runaway fast and are hard to control.
EV battery fires are 60 times less likely than ICE fires... that's right, 60 times, and that will only continue to improve. You can get an EV fire under control with a fire tarp super fast. You can look these that up right here on YT. Perhaps just to be 100% reasonably on top of things, maybe a semi might carry one, but sure all FD should have them ASAP, but most don't yet
Exactly what Travis said. Electric semis should actually be required by law when hauling dangerous cargo due to the lower chance of fires and the higher safety thanks to regenerative braking making it easy and safe to descend hills and the anti-jackknifing the independent electric motors can do.
@@travisjazzbo3490 I've been trying to tell other people that and ask why are firefighters using water knowing it will make it worse why aren't they using those fire blanket and use dry chemical power and Co2 extinguishers to put out the fire and at the same time cooling it down. But all they do is mock me and never really give any logical argument against the idea I was proposing
@@travisjazzbo3490 Fire tarp? Sorry, I think that's bullshit. Battery fires don't need air and glas fibre reinforced fire tarps will melt through very quickly if put on a burning semi battery.
That would need to be some super-heavy-duty tarp.
@@xpreflex6265 It's mind-blowing how people are when one can literally see demonstrations of this on TH-cam. As you said, you can tell them the reality, but people's egos are so fragile that they want to hold onto their false narratives.
I miss the time when pursuing the truth was considered important by everyone over all else.
Great presentation! First person experience outranks everything else!
POWER PROBLEMS:
us power is 120v 60c
versus
europe and the rest of the world is 220v 50c
so
in order to make all trucks compatible w/ccs, then another inverter/transformer(?) would have to be added to the tesla semi power system, which means added weight(inefficiency)
as opposed to
adding the conversion for european power to us power(base system cycles and voltages)at the charging station which does nor force any changes to the tesla semi
PERSONAL APPLICANCES:
US houses can have 220v 60s plugs. Not to mention the power grids are in AC while the Semi Truck will do almost entirely DC charging. They want to to Megawatt charging which means a lot more than 220v
Yeah I’m sure Tesla hasn’t thought about power differences.
Do you think they're plugging a semi into a standard wall outlet 😅. And they need an adapter to do so!? 🤣🤣🤣 OMG I'm dying! 💀
America has 220V 60Hz. The 220V is used for ovens and dryers, and split into 110V at the panel in the house. But as others have said, semis won't be charging at 220V like my sedan. Even overnight charging will call for say 100kW chargers.
Dude, CCS is a 400V to 1000V DC system. The Tesla superchargers are a 400V DC system.
Cars and Trucks don't use "US power" or "Rest of the World power" internally. They directly use the DC that the batteries provide, and that's typically 400V to 1000V. DC chargers are designed to match that.
I'm not sure if the Semi even has any systems that interface with US wall outlets, but if so, those would be auxiliary systems that are not essential for using the truck and in any case ase easily and relatively cheaply adaptable.
Just another Elon promise he will under deliver on. Remember when robo taxi was supposed to come out 8/8?
The factory to build the semi is well under construction right now. They're also building at a reasonably high production rate on their pilot line already. Pepsi already has around 86 or so, and Tesla has replaced all their shorter range diesel pickups with their own semis. Walmart and other companies will start getting some in the next few months. This is already a working product, with many dozens on the road daily doing normal delivery routes.
Yeah, Elon has a tendency to over-promise timelines. However, when you shoot for the stars and land on the moon, you've still made significant progress, I'd say.
@@Pranav_Bhamidipati Dude he shot for the star half a dozen times and still can't make it out of lower earth orbit 🤣😂
All that time and money was wasted doing something people already did 50+ years ago. Zero progress has been made.
“About to take over the dumpsters”
We know Europe loves to pay more for their EVs
It is true that Europeans almost always buy higher quality products than US consumers do. People over hear have learnt to count better, and don't stop at sticker price!
Do the math! 1 truck takes 1 MegaWatt to charge. 1000 trucks take 1 GigaWatt for 1 hour. 24 hrs a day is 24000 trucks absorbing 1 GigaWatt all day long. That is the total output of the Hoover dam. California has over 200,000 semi trucks. I love the truck, it is just is impractical for us to go all electric.
Even with ten percent charging at any one time, that's 20 gigawatts, compared to California's generation capacity of 87.7 GW in 2023. So, an increase, yes, electrification means more electric generation (and less production of other fuels). And that utilization of trucks seems improbably high, even for semis, at least for a statewide average.
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You know it it’s really too bad. They get all this hype on these things and right now they’re only used on short halls around local communities. My understanding is it’s still too early yet to know if there is a bonus to them, but over the road long haul truckers they’re still years out from getting them on the interstates.
What’s the range of these semi when carrying a full load, can it even go 100 miles?
400 plus
I am curious as to why no one is talking about outfitting the trailers with multiple battery packs in the floor. Yes, it would add weight but then it would also greatly extend the range as well. The batteries could also provide power for air-conditioning/refrigeration. The trailer could be slowly recharged when disconnected and stored at its base of operations. Is this doable or am I missing something?
You talk like you had all the money in the world
Hitching a 800v trailer sounds a bit dangerous
Tesla originally came up with the concept for the semi when they were moving batteries around. They thought "why not charge the batteries we're transporting and have them power the semi that's transporting tbem!?". They quickly realized they can fit all the batteries they need in the truck itself and that batteries in the trailer aren't needed. They just add unnecessary complexity, cost and weight.
There are companies promoting similar concepts for camper trailers, in which they have their own batteries to extend the range of the towing EV pickup. (But EV pickups with 440 miles of range may have made that moot.)
They are not going to get around the 2.55m width limit. Also we have a lot of electric semi's now. Atleast in northern Europe.
@@alesh2275 Compete with what? There are no wider trucks than 2.55m to compete with because they are not allowed. And there is no prototype trucks on the road here. Volvo, Mercedes and Renault have delivered trucks up here for years. Electric truck sales increases 150% year over year here. Soon there wont be any customers for Tesla to sell to even if they make a skinner version. They got to haul ass if they are going to get a foot hold up here
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100kwh for 100km….. this truck needs for 100km the same energy I use in my whole Appartement in a month. If the powergrid will not be updated asap all those electric semis won’t be scalable
I think that will be the main bottleneck. Grids around the world are now growing as fast as they can, but doing all the planning and executing to install the charging infrasteucture will go slower than Tesla could potentially build the trucks. I'm sure they could build 250,000/year, but there wouldn't be the charging set up for them. I think that's why they're only building the plant to be able to do 50,000/year right now.
Actually, grids in America grew faster in past decades, doubling the grid a couple of times in my lifetime.
In America's intermountain west, cheaper than massive expansion of power lines may be building large solar farms and battery packs near semi fast charging facilities (truck stops). In Europe, perhaps a small modular nuclear reactor and a battery pack next to a semi fast charging station (truck stop). Power lines are expensive and politically unpopular.
I guess that you are European... The European grid can, already today, accommodate 100 million electric vehicles (truck and car confounded) or 40% of the European fleet. We are still far from that, except in Norway! And the grid is indeed being upgraded to handle a 100% electric fleet before 2040... so, certainly years ahead of schedule!. There neither is nor will be a grid capacity problem in Europe.
@@st-ex8506 but they still need to put in the substations, megapacks and chargers at the various locations and the lines to get the electricity to them. That's still a big project even if the electricity generation is there already. They said it takes a minimum of 1.5 years and typically more like 3 years to complete a project like that. Hopefully that will get more streamlined in the future (next 5 years or so), but for the short term, roll out will be slow.
@@truhartwood3170 Having projected and installed numerous sub-stations in my engineering career, I agree with you lower estimate (1.5 years) to complete an upgrade to a sub-.station (a major warehouse will most likely already have a sub-station, and be located close to a HV power line... if only to air-condition the building). It is NOT "typically more like 3 years". That would be a higher limit for a greenfield installation, located some miles away from a HV power line. NO ONE is going to locate an important distribution warehouse very far from a highway hub, and from major utilities!
As Tesla is not ready to deliver Semis by the thousands every month, there is more than enough time for a purchaser to adapt their electric equipment. The first several units can certainly be recharged with the existing installation. It's only when the fleet start to get important, that an upgrade is needed. That won't slow down electric truck penetration the least bit. Rollout speed will be controlled by manufacturing throughput, NOT by adaptations needing to be done at the clients' sites!
Any day now…😂
Tell Tesla to make scooters lol
The Tesla semi isn't taking over anything. Stop for hours every 150 miles. What a joke!
It can't even carry a full load
_Stop for hours every 150 miles._
Actually, the Tesla Semi can drive >300 miles fully loaded, and charge from 10% to 90% in one hour, which is easily done between shifts. But don't let the facts get in the way of your FUD.
Yeah - but it’s not ! Not even close . It’s never gonna have any mass market appeal . European truck companies are already year ahead with hybrids and smaller EVs. Asia has full ev trucks already operating around cities globally . Tesla is over priced and has too many gimmicks and not built for the euro market. I wish people would wake up and realise Elon is not the genius you think he is and making incredible vehicles. He’s been overtaken by every other event brand already and still selling old styles and shapes.
We have a fast-increasing fleet of electric trucks here in Europe. BUT NONE that comes even close to the Semi's efficiency yet!