Does The Tesla Semi Live Up To The Hype?
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- Five years after Elon Musk first announced the Tesla Semi, it’s finally hitting roads. CNBC visited Pepsi’s Frito-Lay facility in Modesto, California, where it is using the new electric trucks, to see whether the Semis live up to the hype.
Chapters:
2:12 Ch 1 - Tesla Semi
6:16 Ch 2 - Frito-Lay’s Tesla Semis
9:16 Ch 3 - Challenges
Produced by: Andrew Evers
Supervising Producer: Jeniece Pettitt
Additional Camera: Katie Tarasov
Narration by: Erin Black
Graphics by: Alex Wood
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Does The Tesla Semi Live Up To The Hype?
They should have included feedback from actual drivers
Pepsi Co refused to let them interview the drivers
@@Cris_the_coder lmao imagine cutting off real reviews
@@Cris_the_coder I answered his question based on what was said in the video at 8:23. Why are you getting heated?
@@IzyHamblinz My bad if it sounded like I was heated I wasn't. You were right, I was just trying to say that it's Pepsi's decision at the end of the day and that there're other videos about the trucks experience if you really want to hear about it. Have a good day and remember to drink water 🌊
They did state some of the generalized feedback they'd gotten from their drivers which was mostly positive. I doubt it's all sunshine and roses, but it's probably sent to Tesla to try and mitigate some of the issues. They also use electric trucks other than the Tesla semi. Pepsi also probably didn't want their drivers bothered by reporters, among other concerns.
As a driver myself, what we say, generally is how it is. You'll know right away if it's all hype and impractical or the other way around--where it's actually a decent piece of equipment. Management can upsell you something so much, but if a driver hates or loves it, you'll know it just by talking to them. We're the ones that have to spend all day driving them and operating them, not the desk jockeys. Definitely missed opportunity there
You will be replaced by trucks driving themselves Sion
@@Adelrawas1 how else can I watch netflix while driving?
You might like the Tesla semi. First of all it is smooth, quiet and comfortable. It has more than three times the torque of a diesel, so it can go full speed, even accelerate, uphill. You usually don't have to hit the brakes downhill, because it uses powerful regenerative braking to recharge the batteries downhill. No more overheated brakes. No more break-neck runs downhill and trying to navigate around slow-pokes uphill to use some of that downhill speed.
@@jimroth7927 would be really nice to hear from someone who actually uses their Tesla Truck in their daily jobs. Too bad PepsiCo did not let CNBC interview them.
@@jimroth7927 it's about business a Tesla weighs almost twice that of a diesel truck....with elon's 500 mile range ... they'll weigh so much that you can't carry much cargo anyways.....they have more power and torque?? Buddy .....their battery weighs more than a diesel truck itself.....means less space for cargo..... trucking is a business where money is everything and is determined by time... who'd want to wait for 1 hour to charge? Instead of just plugin diesel stations and 15min then u r off
Not to mention the amount of Teslas spontaneous combust is a huge safety threat .....
PepsiCo not allowing the truck drivers to be interviewed is telling
You just don’t have random staff bark into a camera, that could be catastrophic PR.
That's every company, even the military.
They can't..
free speech
@@officialflorintya especially for Tesla 🤣
Frito lay is the perfect company to have a Tesla semi, their cargo is super light.
You apparently missed the statement at 4:34 that they also take 45,000 lb. loads of Pepsi 300 to 400 miles, from plant to distributor warehouse. >22 tons is not what I'd call "super light".
Lol, it's mostly air in the bags anyways.
@@aaron___6014 Yes, lightweight, cubed out loads of snacks still need to be moved from the plant to a warehouse. The good news is that when lightly loaded with 5,000 lbs. of snacks, the range goes all the way up to 680 miles, and fuel cost per mile goes down another 25%.
Thank you for bringing this up, to highlight yet another advantage the Tesla Semi has over diesel semis.
@@Big_Ben_from_La_MesaUnfortunately the world is built from steel and concrete not Fritos.
@@csabo1725 So true, and thank you for pointing this out! And here's a video of a Tesla Semi towing a flatbed trailer carrying exactly that-42,900 lbs. of steel and concrete traffic barriers-accelerating rapidly up a steep grade on Donner Pass, passing a diesel semi as if it were standing still: th-cam.com/users/liveLtOqU2o81iI?feature=share&t=985
Just like diesel semis, Tesla Semis will often tow loads of light materials that are cubed out-that is, limited by volume, not weight-because that's the load that needs to be delivered. But they are also capable of towing 22 tons in loads that are weighed out, which is not substantially less than what a diesel semi can tow.
This felt more like a PepsiCo/FritoLay commercial than a 16 min Tesla infomercial 😭
That's exactly why PepsiCo bought these trucks.
@@truantray they wanted the clout so bad 😂😂
Amen ! Most underrated comment in this cleaned up/purified comment section . DO ... You are the goat ! Be safe out there .
You mean 6 min and 10 seconds
Well come on, whose commercial do you want it to be??
“The longest delayed product in Teslas history!”
Meanwhile all the roadster preorder customers 👀
the longest delayed product in Teslas history, so far.
To CNBC every Tesla product is vapourware until they release it and start selling in high volume.
More people are waiting for the cybertruck than roadster
@@NeutronStream That's sort of fair for CNBC to do, though. Every Tesla product does seem to spend about 5 years as vaporware, before finally hitting the market. They announce their stuff WAYYYYY too early.
They said one of the not the
I am a truck driver. We have many trucks that carry far more weight than 80,000 pounds. You solve the weight problem by adding more axles and more wheels to carry the extra weight. The largest cost is the cost of fuel. Elon Musk claims that the Tesla Semi can go 500 miles fully loaded on 1000 kilowatt hours of electricity. The wholesale cost of electricity is currently 7 cents per kilowatt hour. That is a cost of $70 to go 500 miles, fully loaded at 80,000 pounds. Currently I pay over $300 for diesel fuel to go the same distance. That is a significant fuel cost saving. That is what is important to truck drivers. That fuel cost saving makes the Tesla Semi very attractive if the purchase price is only $180,000. I paid $150,000 for my diesel truck. For the fuel cost savings that Elon Musk has promised, I will be delighted to pay $180,000 for the Tesla truck.
Yeah but fixing an electric semi will cost wayyy more than diesel .
Pepsi's experience in the next 1-2 years will greatly determine the early adoption of the Tesla Semi by other companies with similar requirements. If Pepsi exercises their option to take the remainder of the 100 units, that will be an affirming sign to other potential owners.
Right, if it can handle all the Liquid Weight it should be able to handle anything.
@@BeatBox-nu4oi Literally no authoritative voice is asserting that the Tesla Semi is going to garner the domestic semi-truck market in any foreseeable future. Pepsi has over 11,000 tractors. Pepsi is simply evaluating the Tesla Semi will give them a financial advantage over the semi-trucks in current fleet. If Pepsi expands their fleet of Tesla Semis, others with similar requirements will take note and act accordingly.
PEPSI WILL ORDER THOUSANDS OF THEM I KNOW IT@@douglas-hughes
@@douglas-hughesMostly because electric just simply doesn't have the range. It's probable that we will see hydrogen powered trucks or at least hybrid systems before we see electric. With that in mind, It would be nice if Tesla or anyone really can finally succeed in reducing the cost and emissions of trucking.
@@fastestdino2 Well, as the man himself said, these are specifically for medium haul, mostly at intra-state level. These can’t dethrone the long haul market yet. That needs alternative fuels, as batteries have very low energy density.
I'm not a driver, but I know that in Canada drivers have government regulated daily driving time limits of 10-14 hours per day depending on specific rules you are running under. So taking a 1hr meal break while recharging may not be a problem. Assuming you can find an open charger when you need it.
There are some pretty depressing "road trip" videos by car owners who have to take road trips in small bites as they are guided, and mis-guided, in a wandering route between known charging stations. Where they may encounter broken chargers or wait lines.
All of this has been alleviated from Tesla. Tesla supercharger networks are highly reliable and show the driver how long they have to charge and where, and where is the next charger. It's called the Tesla route planner.
Yep the non operating and backed up charging stations. and longer charging times at them for non Tesla run chargers. The car owners have the same problem. No one mentions the poor cold weather mileage, and the resources it takes to manufacture the vehicles and the batteries which by the way use components that can not be manufactured in the USA due to environmental and safety regulations (all are Chinese owned company's by the way). and also the resources and pollution that's produced to supply the electricity to charge the vehicles!
@@Smellindamix Yes, that is what I've read. The Tesla supercharger network is the largest and best kept. BUT, it naturally focuses on the larger concentrations of people, naturally. The meandering part of my comment came from a story of the experiences of a person travelling the tesla charger network cross country, away from population centers. His was the tale of having to meander from one town to the next, picking up partial charges because it was too far between to skip chargers.
Yes, the story(ies) I read about problems with chargers were about other networks.
"I'm not a driver, but.." should've, could've stopped right there.. opinions - without facts, feelings or ACTUAL experience - are same as farts only not as offensive.
@@joblo341 meandering like you describe hasn't been an issue using the Supercharger network in the US since 2018 or so. I travel extensively, far and wide in Tesla, and it's just not an issue. The route I take is the exact route Google Maps gives me.
Unfortunately, this is not the case for other EVs (yet).
Some of these experts are talking out of their butts. Legacy truck companies "know what the customer wants" is identical to legacy car companies "knowing what the customer wants". That theory is dead now. The big challenge is building enough trucks. There's a huge market of companies like Pepsi with fixed routes and self-operated fleets. These fleets also tend to have the highest utilization in urban & suburban areas. This market itself is enough for Tesla (and others) to saturate for several years before targeting true ultra-long haul cross country. A great product, great efficiency and a huge hurdle finally cleared by Tesla (delays).
Also the plus point of Tesla is it's self driving feature. Though not ready, but it's getting better with each update
@@danko5866 And it doesn't need to be perfect. Something like 42,000 people were killed in vehicle accidents in the USA in 2021. People still drive like monkeys and nobody cares. But if a self-driving Tesla is at fault for even 1 (one) fatality, it makes the national evening news. This is complete road apples, and has to stop.
Your absolutely right about legacy car companies “knowing what customers want”. Ford got rid of all cars in their fleet. Result: Record Honda and Toyota sales with millennials.
@@danko5866 I'm not sure how big of an advantage that is, considering that there are much better level 2 systems out there and mercedes have now even been greenlighted to start level 3 trials in specific areas. Similarly, the company even made the statement that the current fsd system is expected to remain level 2 even when it's "complete." I think tesla kinda shot itself in the foot selling a hugely expensive, buggy mess to make a mess out on real live roads, whereas other companies have been more conservative and developed systems that actually do what they promise consistently.
@@TeeFunkable You might want to read up on the Mercedes thing. Only works on specific routes in one state, in specific weather, with a lead car 100m ahead, won't work on a banked freeway, and only works at less than 40mph. In addition the driver can "take their eyes offs the road" but must still be paying attention to take over at any time. It's more of a "technically" level 3 system just to be able to claim that they did it first, which is disappointing to see.
I want to give a shout out to Pepsi for using raised solar panels above their parking lot. Yes! We need to see those EVERYWHERE! Put parking sprawl to work. @6:14
True that. Also the employees cars get to sit in the shade of the panels rather than cook unprotected.
Fully loaded 0-60 in 20 seconds. Accelerates up hill with a full load. Regenerates while coming downhill instead of noisy engine brakes. Truckers are forced to have a break so the charging is done then. 400 miles confirmed in real world too. They won't be screwing up traffic that's for sure. As a truck driver I would love it.
Anybody that tells you it is a good idea to do 0-60 in 20 seconds in a semi is a dam fool. That will increase roll over accidents for sure and probably many others as well. Anyone that has driven yrucks for any length of time will understand this. Imagine being able to get to 50 miles an hour in a top heavy semi while going on a cloverleaf on or off ramp. And unfortunately people nowadays are too stupid to understand you cant drive a semi like a car. And all of teslas safety features wont prevent a semi trailer from rolling over.
Given that EV trucks are 0% of the market, even if they currently can't cover all use cases, there is still a huge market for these.
8:35 Wouldn't say EV trucks are 0% of the market - they even say in the video they also use BYD and Peterbilt electric trucks
@@MiningBlock Also eCanter. They've been rolling around as grocery trucks way before Tesla Semi was taken in by Frito Lays and Pepsi.
for hauling potato chips they sound great, around here they haul stone though....
@@rumls4drinkin Hauling stone isn't a problem. Roughly the same payload capacity as diesel semis.
@@anthonypelchat Frito trucks got 425 miles hauling chips, Pepsi trucks only got 100 miles on the same charge. The payload capacity and range is a huge difference.
I drove a truck, professionally for 24 years. I stopped 2 years ago and have never regretted that decision.
I retired from trucking in 2019, the over regulation and the money grab from the local governments on BS safety inspections and fines put you at the mercy of the small towns looking for ways to take your money. This technology is pie in the sky for now.
good choice, drivers wont be needed any longer pretty soon
started trucking, expect in finland
@@reggveg no, this technology is operational right now
@@JohnSmith-pn2vl I have 40-plus years in the business and I'm telling you it won't work. The range is limited, and takes too long to recharge, plus the DOT would have to raise the weight limit from 80,000 pounds gross. We don't have the infrastructure to support charging stations. Believe me I wish it would work. In 40 to 50 years maybe but not now. Also, the electric bills for every American will skyrocket. The cost to transport will be astronomical.
Wouldn’t let people who drive them speak 🗣️
😂😂😂 tells you everything about the situation
I mean media come on, you used to say same kind of negative things when Tesla cars hitted roads..
I will look on positive things that they can actually deliver a truck..thts a good thing..
Just like all products things will improve over time..
450 miles sounds impressive for any EV let alone a big truck.
Not for a truck. These can only be used for short hauls
450 miles is nothing in a big truck.
Those miles only represent a third of your shift.
This country is in trouble.
With drivers waiting for a charge at a truck stop, Grocers are going to be screaming for product.
Think the prices for substance is bad now? Just wait and see.
And watch the real truck drivers walk away from that electric turd.
Sure they may find some school taught worthless steering wheel holder but that wont last long when his family is looking at foreclosure or eviction due to lack of a decent paycheck.
The windmill bone yards wont be able to keep up to the demand when we go totally mother earth worshiping green totalitarian.
AGENDA 2030 is going to be really interesting.
450 miles sounds great, what about the 12hr wait for recharging?
@@ronnieg6358 It’s only 30min smh
@@chidorirasenganz I'm for this electrical age but there are some things to be concerned about. The availability of the chargers is becoming an issue (will be resolved once we get more stations) and reliability of the said stations. Personally think some of these trucks should be hybrid. In the off chance you aren't able to charge your truck, you can fill it up with gas.
I’m curious how they will charge them all with the incredibly overwhelmed California power grid.
its called solar ..
@@flodjod the grid itself the problem, not the energy being required to run it. all electricity is being run through larges wires and they are old and at capacity, john oliver made a good video on it
The power demand is bad from 12 noon to 8 PM night. 12 noon time can sometimes be filled with solar but night is when the grid may fail. Thus they cut power to heavy users like that like a low rate like car charging and AC users to keep hospitals and police stations running. Elon has also made these T battery banks for charge station to level out some of the surge demands. I think I see about 20 wall chargers good for 800,000 KW or one truck reserve.
Maybe they should have updated the power grid before adding all these power needs to begin with. Seems forced. California will just unrightfully shut people’s power off to accommodate. Solar isn’t going to fix anything either, especially when it’s cloudy and rainy, windy. People don’t understand that dust on the solar panels will drastically reduce its performance. Think it’s the key to all their problems when it clearly doesn’t work. Same with wind energy. I drive by the wind farms all the time in California and only see a few spinning ever. Too much maintenance, not enough support. Most are broken down. Waste of tax payer dollars. It’s all a scam.
Overall, less energy would be required. Using a EV power chain uses less joules of energy than a ICE powertrain would due to the losses of conversion, heat, transportation and transmission. But sure, the grid either needs to expand, or companies should invest in local energy storage and production (solar/wind, with batteries) to power their fleet. Anyway, its a long term investment, that gains them in the long run.
as a driver and in the game for 23 years now , i can tell you that the guys sitting in a office chair and a desk will never know a truck drivers day to day workflow they can assume a lot of things just by looking but never ever ever will they nail it because they are not actually hands on. now said that i can see this truck helping us alot because this is not an overnight cabin , so its 1 day pick up and drop off truck i really like that i dont do overnighters in my diesel truck because i dont like them but this truck fits perfectly to mee if i could buy one to start my own fleet i will do ot no questions ask
I don’t drive anymore but still have my CDL and I’d love to drive one of these if they worked properly. A lot of old school truckers are stuck in their ways but I don’t see the problem if they become reliable.
They already hate it bc it’s not a long hood Pete or kw. Those kinds of drivers are what I hate most about this industry so far. Sure a cascadia or a Volvo might not look cool but I’m getting paid to drive not look cool. I personally would love to drive a Tesla semi just to see what it’s like.
The battery requirement for a semi is very heavy and reduces the load capacity to about 9 tons for a 80000 lbs truck.
I do drive still and I hope this fails….Sorry but I see the end game here. To remove the driver completely and throw 2.2 million people out of work
@@dant.3505
_The battery requirement for a semi is very heavy and reduces the load capacity to about 9 tons_
Actually about 22 tons, but who's counting?
@@Big_Ben_from_La_Mesa the gross weight of the tractor of an electric EV is substantial compared to a diesel rig.
With a legal limit of 80000 lbs. The weight of the tractor will reduce what can legally be loaded. It doesn't leave much legal load.
Edit- the 22 tons you mention only leaves 36000 lbs for the empty weight of the rig. That's about right for a typical diesel rig. But a EV battery rig with acceptable range will be much heavier than a diesel rig. The empty weight of a EV truck is very heavy.
Historical note:
The steam locomotive industry was over a hundred years old when the diesel electrics were introduced in the 1950’s .
The three biggest steam locomotives companies merged to become Baldwin- Lima- Hamilton.
They and every other steam locomotives company went bankrupt!
All Locomotives are made by GE, EMD or a few small companies none of which ever built steam units.
Just a warning not a prediction….
That does not mean that in the current scenario, battery electric trucks are the ones that are going to win, I see hydrogen trucks as a more realistic solution, even though they don't seem so right now.
Insightful. Similar can happen. Tough as it seems the ICE engine makers are making steps to electrify their designs. So they may have learnt from history. We will see how much.
Diesel-electrics were introduced in the 1930s.
Niche product at first, mostly switchers, due to the lower power available early on.
They didn't get COMMON 'til the 1950s (World War II both hurt by distracting, and helped by pushing technology needed).
@@Cier433 problem with hydrogen is the lack of regenerative braking. This thing can improve energy efficiency a lot... Radically a lot. I think in future trucks and train's all will be with battery
@@andresouza2314 What are you talking about, hydrogen cell vehicles work with electric motors, the hydrogen cell only generates electricity, so it is not that different from a battery electric vehicle, only in the case of those that use a hydrogen cell, the battery it's much less so they would still have the option of making a regenerative system. Let's say you could make a hydrogen cell truck that needed only 10% of the battery capacity than if it were just batteries.
"Their have been some reports that they can't handle the weight or the distance. " By WHO reported this there is only one customer at this time. Frito lay has not said this publicly. THEY ARE JUST MAKING THE STORY UP TO FIT THEIR NARRATIVE.
These pilot trucks are being used to tune the truck. We may see the production trucks release with 4680s.
@Glenn Beattie
Agreed.
There has been some "speculation" by uninformed individuals, starting from a base of..... Guesswork, with certain specifications proven to be completely wrong.
.
My opinion?
The battery is much lighter than some say (they based the weight on 18650 cells), the cab size and so weight is much lower and incorrect assumptions were made regarding the weight of the diesel drivetrain, which of course the Tesla doesn't carry. (Even the wheels and tyres are smaller/ lighter!)
My conclusion, it's well with 1000lbs difference.
Yes, there was a lot of pure guesswork, all of against Tesla in this video. Who was the Patagonia shirt guy? All others were identified in the video, but he wasn't and he was the guy literally lying his butt off.
@@rsfpost7501 Yeah, not to mention some of his completely specious reasoning. I loved his spiel about the other, more established truck manufacturers have some big advantage because they've been selling to companies for years.
As if to say that when Tesla brings out a superior, more economical product, the procurement managers at, for example, McDonald's or IKEA are going to say, "Gosh, I'd love to buy an electric semi truck from Tesla, but I don't know how I'd ever do it. I guess I'll call Mercedes and buy one of their trucks instead--even though it only has 60% of the range of the Tesla--because I already have their phone number in my contacts list."
If companies believe they can save money by buying a different product, they'll have no problem switching to a new supplier.
Source of these reports:
Social media comments from people who never even seen the Tesla semi in person or own a Tesla or EV. This is evident since there have been no actual reports and articles from any media, which is something that usually spreads like wild fire once one media source posts even a single negative headline without any real data to back it up.
1:54 The issue of the trucks breaking down was due to a minor software issue. It's totally normal for brand new products to have a few issues.
Care to explain the entire Tesla lineup then? They are always on the bottom for reliability along with other EV's. There's also some other issues but that's a lot more than I feel like typing.
@@loganmatthias5038 Yes, The tesla car fleet is notorious for reliability issues, generally surrounding build quality, but the issues with the semi were software related and could be fixed by a software upgrade. Issues are common in brand new products.
I drive a truck and would love to drive one. It will never replace an ICE truck but there are many applications that electric will work great if you ever figure out where you are going to get all that electricity.
At about 10:30:
I know what fleet buyers want: Lowest Total Cost of Ownership.
How hard was that?
If Tesla offers that, they'll sell a lot of trucks.
Seems to me without doing any calculations, that Tesla Semi is going to be much less to operate. Cost per mile is going to be much cheaper than diesel. Also much less maintenance on the truck once any kinks, are worked out. I’m guessing the actual nos. are going to quickly make diesels a thing of the past, not hard to project. The mass arrival of 4680 batteries is also going to be very significant.
Where EV semis will save the most of is maintenance and downtime due to maintenance.
One factor nobody considers is average speed.
The Tesla wil achieve, *then maintain* it's speed over a distance.
That could allow either a faster trip, or more rest time for the driver (and charge "splash and dash"! for the truck)
@@rogerstarkey5390 Also EV performance doesn't degrade at high altitude.
@@rogerstarkey5390 Faster acceleration requires more energy and these trucks absolutely do not have energy stores to spare.
@@zaidpatel8695 supercharger. like the helis that can go to everest.
It will save on fuel costs big time, electricity is so much cheaper than diesel fuel. On a cost per mile basis you can't beat an EV, this is the underlying reason ICE is going to die real quick, give it 10-15 yrs.
Using Fusion to cleanly generate electricity is the future so electric vehicles of all kinds will follow. Battery advancements will take care of mileage concerns. Ice vehicles will be used as collectibles…horses didn’t go away when they were replaced…they will still be a small part of our lives.
"Potato chips are made with a lot of air"
Glad we can all agree
Love this channel, these are the types of mini documentaries I like
i think it’s low key one of the best YT channels for these kind of short form docs
@@Mark__ The best. By far. They're doing amazing work!
Yeah, I second that. Also, great pic and name. :D
@@ThompterSHunson @Mark Underscore Bloomberg Quicktake is making great ones, too
@@jupiterjones3789 oh awesome, thanks! Oddly I haven’t been reco’d the Bloomberg one despite watching other Bloomberg channels.
I do see a benefit of having the local delivery and port vehicles being EV for the sole fact of not emitting all of the exhaust fumes into the air. I hope it works. I do not see EV vehicles being used for cross country shipments. At least not for a long while.
What will be needed for that to work?
@@litshackblink I’m an over-the-road driver (3000+ miles a week) and I agree it’s going to take a long while. They touch on it at 11:00. The infrastructure required is HUGE. On par with the building of the railroad and national highway system.
you make your own parking out there a lot, which is fine sometimes. But its only really ok bc you are never really stranded if you can get fuel. I imagine the first few ev's that roll out charging will be baked into the route. But sometimes when you are just out there, you don't want to stop your day for several hours just to charge.
Hyliion Hypertruck ERX has 1000+ mile range runs on waste and Net Carbon Negative. Easy Win
@@litshackblink Green Electric Trains
I’ve seen a few Nikola 18 wheelers. It was wild hearing nothing but fans running but no engine noise. Even crazier was watching the fully loaded 18 wheeler pull off like a car.
Could you ask the drivers how many parts are made by GM versus Nikola?
Pretty sure they signed an NDA anyways...
@@johntheux9238GM doesn’t supply any parts for Nikola’s trucks
I happening to see a Tesla Semi in Stockton, Ca on highway 99 this past week.
15:00 "Given the total costs of operation is significantly more beneficial than for ICE vehicles. I'd say by the end of the decade at least 50% of the commercial fleets will be electrified." I think this is the critical statement. Semi Trucks have such regular and costly maintenance and repairs it's not going to take very long for owners/operators to see the clear benefit of EVs. (The Tejon Pass 4414' on the Modesto to Southern California I - 5 route. Instead of burning fuel going up (possibly overheating) and then burning expensive brakes going back down. The Tesla Semi on the descent regains almost all the energy used climbing. It's as though the mountains were not even there.)
And the final word, "We're not there yet." When was that last said about the electric car? Something else amazing about Musk is not just that he promises and then delivers, but that he gets his idea and product across. Thomas Kuhn in the Progress of Scientific Revolutions made a convincing case that new science is never accepted until the old guard dies or retires - doesn't matter how powerfully the case is made. Within a year or two of the introduction of the Model 3 everything changed. Sure many OEM vehicle company CEOs were replaced -- but not by EV supporters. What has changed is that every OEM is now scrambling as quickly as they can to electrify their vehicle lines. (And the U.S. tax credit which gives hybrids the same status as BatteryEV, I don't think has slowed this transition.)
And good one CNBC. I've been critical of a lot that you do. This report is top notch, well researched.
“It’s as though the mountains aren’t even there” LOL I guess you didn’t do well in physics class AT ALL, did you?
@@Restorationshopyt Actually you’re the one who didn’t pay attention in physics class. Yes, it takes more power to go up the mountain, but the truck literally recaptures almost all of that power. When you go up the mountain and then back down, the net battery drain is almost identical to what it would be if the mountain weren’t there. So yes, it literally is as if the mountain isn’t there.
Yes, a good video overall, though they didn’t hit back on the critics as much as I think they should have. The claimed 500 mile range takes the battery down to 0, which is stupid, so a 425 mile route is totally expected. The guy also claimed that diesel trucks put out more power for their weight. Ok, but the Tesla semi puts out sooooo much more power overall. And all the energy it outs into getting that mass moving can be recovered when you brake.
@@timwildauer5063 You're dreaming.
Agreed with everything up till "This report is top notch, well researched". Nope, they filled it with FUD
Not sure what the commentator meant about the power of a diesel vs electric on a weight basis, and compromises. AFAIK, diesel wins on range but suffers on both low-end torque and maximum acceleration and speed.
The only "range" an Electric Semi needs is "more than the driver"
Currently, ONE Electric Semi achieves that.
(Starts with "T", ends with "esla")
I assume the commentator has never traveled in an electric train.
I'm not sure maximum acceleration and speed are at the top of a trucking company's wish list.
I guess they meant sustaining that weight over a longer range. Diesel truck gives you 1400 miles of range on a full tank of gas while electric only gives you 400 miles of range on a single charge. Still a long way to go. Plus, an hour to charge up and get close to 350 miles of range from a substation versus 15 minutes to fill a diesel truck and get 1400 miles of range. Just Ridiculous.
Add in hill climb and descent and see if a diesel truck gets 1400 miles. As long as the battery outlasts the driver your critique is ridiculous... unless you are promoting a trucker who has ben awake for 21 hours.
So when everything becomes “Electric powered” will California still have brown outs during the summer? At this point they are having trouble keeping peoples homes cooled let alone everyone on the road being dependent on electric ⚡️ energy as well. What are they doing to increase the electrical grid before the massive increase in demand? Why didn’t CNBC interview a single Tesla SemiTruck driver to ask their opinions?
Just changing those short white trucks to electric is huge because they are constantly driving around moving trailers, probably even better on maintenance because they go through a lot of stop and go movements. Curious what the backup redundancies are if electric power is lost though, that could destroy operations if there is none
I feel like some of this segment was recorded before first delivery and actual real world data of the Tesla semi. It's on the road now. And it works.
Yes, it works. But I was expecting to see updated specs, real world results, and prices, once the semis were delivered. I get the impression that everyone is under an NDA, and this isn’t an actual product yet.
@@kevinbailey8827 - What do you mean by 'actual product yet'? Production has already started but at slow rate since they just started in past month or two. So far only about 39 have been made for Pepsi on their 100 Semi order. Giga factory Nevada is being expanded for Semi and 4860 battery production.
@@hiloviking I mean they’re getting ready to produce it, but these are still essentially prototypes. They aren’t ready yet to put them out for independent reviews and head to head comparisons with their competitors. They wouldn’t even allow interviews with the drivers.
@@kevinbailey8827 - No, they are not ‘getting ready to produce it’ they are already in production, the Semis are not prototypes. Production speed is gradually ramping up as is true for all new models, Teslas included.
@@hiloviking Months after the official production of the Model 3, Tesla was still building parts of it by hand, and the finished product was only being delivered to employees who weren’t allowed to talk freely about their cars.
Officially, the Semi is in production. I agree. I just think the units delivered so far are missing some features that are supposedly to be in the production version. If so, they are defective. Or prototypes.
If Kenworth, Peterbilt, International are already building EV tractors, this isn't "the future" this is right now.
What is today if yesterday is tomorrow SpongeBob? And in all seriousness this is more about a purpose built EV platform and infrastructure. The brands you’ve listed make ev tractors based on internal combustion engine design which significantly limits their capability. They also don’t have or make fast charging infrastructure for this scale of vehicle.
Evs won’t replace diesel engines itself still has an advantage especially with very heavy specialized loads
@@banme2784 The EV is nothing, it's the autonomous driven vehicles that are going to really improve our lives. Imagine no more traffic lights, no speed limits, and roads that don't have to flow in any particular direction! The vehicles will be networked and roll their own "air traffic control" without our intervention. No humans driving means no liability insurance, no traffic cops, no DUI laws. You could tell your truck to take a certain route to a destination and to wake you up half an hour before you arrive, then take a nap. It could even go there without you, maybe drop you off at the lake and pick you up on the way back home. ALL of this will happen, and we can't stop it. Kids today aren't even interested in cars, a lot of them aren't even getting licenses. it's all computers now.
They wont last
@@josephastier7421 while that may sound legitimate, that’s not going to happen. Not in anybody generation that is breathing air as type this as I should say. People are not going to give up their right to drive. Motorcyclist dang sure are not going to give up their right to ride. Bicyclists are not going anywhere. It’s going to need to be all autonomous or none or specific lanes for autonomous commercial vehicles. Every single vehicle on the road being autonomous could be a good thing or could be a very severe bad thing. I don’t see no in between honestly.
nice for a warm weather state like California, but what is the range in South Dakota when it's -10 snowing and 40 mph winds? what are the cold and adverse weather capabilities?
Probably 60% less but you can wave at the kids throwing snowballs and talk about your Tesla semi thats useless. Imagine running out of power in the middle of South Dakota in the winter. What electric wrecker will have enough power to recharge you. LOL.
@@aljay2955 wow oyu have noclue what you are talking about, pretty common these days, why, just why are talking about things you dont even barely understand.....well
@@JohnSmith-pn2vl You're obviously a Tesla cult member. Say one bad word about Tesla and the knives come out. Its happening all over the internet. Its like Elon Musk is a God that can do no wrong and if you have any adverse opinion you will be verbally assaulted. Its all so hilarious.
Awesome move. HGV electrification is welcomed. Other markets need it it more... UK, Europe, Asia. The move after this is to tackle shipping electrification and aeroplanes.
There might be a lot of things wrong at the moment with the Semi and that is expected from a first gen product.. But those definitely look to be issued that are addressable.. Because once the kinks are ironed out, it is definitely a solid product and will sell in volumes..
just like what tesla bros say about “full self driving” lol
No it won’t. Lithium isn’t sustainable. The truck is a fraud and will fail immediately.
@@Dirtytanker l
What about Al air batteries
And Hydrogen vehicle??
"That is expected from a first gen product".
Tesla didn't invent the Semi, so while it might be *their* first gen, it's not a first gen Semi, which means that it needs to stand on its own two feet immediately. If an auto manufacturer puts out a new product in an established product segment, the performance of their product should be judged against the performance of every other vehicle in that segment.
The key takeway here isn't "Tesla has released a future solid product", it's "Tesla has released an underwhelming product that fails to deliver on the hype that Tesla itself set for it."
@@5lanediver
The one speaker told viewers that diesel trucks produce more power…going with Tesla’s numbers vs. What diesel truck OEMs show as their own, is a stark contrast to what was pushed here. Tesla’s touted power is substantially higher.
From the context I guess what he me actually meant was die _energy_ density of diesel fuel vs. that of batteries.
People mix up power and energy all the time :-/
Power means NOTHING in a truck. Accelerating is meaningless.
You have been drinking the Koolaid.
@@Chris.Davies However, _torque_ does count for a truck. And that's where an electric drivetrain really shines.
To the average person who has zero transport industry background this sounds like a great plan! To any long distance truck driver or anyone who has transport experience, this is ridiculous. In Canada especially because the weight restrictions are higher and winter temps are lower which kills batteries. Also the American truck stops often have capacity for 100 or more trucks and there's absolutely no chance that many trucks can be charging overnight. Oh and to keep the sleeping drivers warm in winter and cool in summer while their trucks use small diesel heaters or run the big diesel engine which is actually pretty efficient while idling. Sorry folks, there's a 0% chance of all transport trucks EVER being electric. But if they outlaw diesels, many people won't be getting the stuff they need.
What caught my attention was the 1 seat in the middle for the driver. With no rear view mirror due to it being a Semi, I can definitely see the benefits.
Almost like it uses cameras or something...
@@miguellopez3392 Almost like every semi cant see behind them when towing…. What’s your point?
@@stephenfrench5242 it has cameras for rear view mirrors that display on the center screen.
I'm a trucker, I'd like to drive one, but 650 miles is a regular day for me so the mileage doesn't work. I also team drive with my son so until they can charge these things in less than an hour it wouldn't work for us. But keep it up. I'm definitely not anti-electric, I'm just against the group who thinks this is all you can own and still love this planet!
You’d rather stop more ok makes sense
@Joe Gaston not sure what you mean but I think they're cool. My son and I drive from Durham NC to just outside Dallas TX twice a week, takes us about 19 hours each way, little over a thousand miles. We get to one end or the other, load up, then head the other direction, Tuesday NC, Wednesday TX, Thursday NC, and so on. The electric trucks just can't do that yet, not in the time frame we need, but I'm sure they're working on it ...
Mark, I was pleasantly surprised seeing your comment here. No agenda, just the facts (about the trucking). It’s new tech and they will take the easy market share first. It will be interesting to see what new developments accelerate the adoption.
As a truck driver of over 30 years . I can’t wait to drive an electric truck . I hope my company buy Tesla trucks .
I an see why automatics are much easier and a lot less shifting involved.
You better hope that they don't get the self driving perfected before you retire, otherwise you will be out of a job
I've got a class A and used to work for the power company. I've driven pretty much everything but semi's even some smaller cranes. I'll tell you when we went to those electronic push button automatics it was way better and much easier to learn than the old GM's i started out on with the 6 speed split shift transmissions about 25 years ago. Not just learning but way less tiring than shifting all the time too.
They are also working to replace drivers electric makes that easier
After 30 years of driving this dude is hoping he’ll get something from his company 😂
I guess this kind of load makes sense with Frito-Lay likely having short distanced, large volumetric loads of low density and thus lower weight. I think hydrogen makes more sense for larger vehicles like Semi-trucks due to its greater energy density but, the infrastructure needs to be there first. That’s a significant investment and unlike with EVs, where you only have to generate the electricity on the already existing grid (although likely needing to fortify it in some cases first) with hydrogen you have to be able to generate clean, green, renewable and or carbon free energy to create the hydrogen for it to make sense environmentally. Beyond just simply generating hydrogen, you then have to create a large, realistically and technically viable Hydrogen infrastructure network for transportation, storage, fueling on top of the clean generation of that hydrogen.
_I guess this kind of load makes sense with Frito-Lay likely having short distanced, large volumetric loads of low density_
Yes, because the product of Frito-Lay is low density snack foods. But PepsiCo also runs Tesla Semis making deliveries out of the PepsiCo Sacramento Bottling Plant, weighed-out with high density loads of soft drinks, more than 500 miles round trip to Bakersfield, or climbing from near sea level in Sacramento to 7,200 ft. at Donner Summit, on the way to Reno.
Hydrogen is a fool's errand, even for trucks. Current per-mile costs are many times those for BEVs; there's virtually no fueling infrastructure, which you acknowledge; H2 stations cost many times what Tesla Superchargers or Megachargers cost, and can only refill a limited number of vehicles before requiring more H2 to be *trucked* to the station. Further, almost all commercially available H2 is formed from fossil fuels, which you also implicitly acknowledge; so without elaborate carbon-capture methods, H2 just shifts the emissions from one place to another.
BEVs are succeeding because the per-mile cost was already lower than that for liquid fuels, even at the beginning. And the distribution network was already in place, needing only low-cost charging stations to be installed; of which Tesla has built a near-worldwide network of >50,000 chargers in just ten years. Can you imagine this happening with H2 stations in ten years, when nobody's buying them? I can't.
50k by 2024 sounds reasonable as thats only 134 semis per day compared to Ford who produces 600ish per day F-150. While it's triple the amount they are a third in size. So on a scaling method and knowing the industry and production lines it's for sure possible pending plant construction meets PCDs.
It’s only going to get better!
This was an excellent report, thank you for all the balanced and factual information. I agree with Sumanth Aluri, (comment below from 8 days ago) it would have been good to include driver comments in the report.
So much smoother and quieter no more Jake brake noise. Truck stops so.much cleaner than diesel. Maintenance also. No oil changes and so many fewer moving parts.
Private sector and the government need to heavily invest in charging stations along the interstate highways. If 1% vehicle causes 20% of emissions, this will be a quick win. This is a classic example of 80-20 pareto rule
13:18 excuse me who told this man that an diesel engine has a better power to weight ratio than an electric one?
The electric engine is a lot smaller than the diesel and cranks a lot more power out.
How about including the battery pack weight?
I found it odd that the one guy said EV's aren't as powerful as diesel. Diesel electric trains exist because electric motors are more powerful than diesel.
I wonder why there aren't diesel electric hybrid trucks.
@@ross_ulbright7779 cost and weight I imagine.
@@ross_ulbright7779 Prius style diesel electric hybrid vehicles exist, but mainly in shorter distance vehicles where there’s a lot of start/stop going on since the electric motor kicks in from a stop and the diesel kicks in once up to speed. Long haul vehicles tend to be at highway speeds a high % of the time so, they’d mainly be using the diesel motor. Even in the diesel electric trains, the goal is not economy nor environmental. It’s literally because a diesel motor just isn’t powerful enough to get the train moving.
That guy has ignored fact. TeSemi tri-motors produce > 1,800 horsepower.
As many of the rental car companies are finding out that electric cars are more expensive to run than gas cars. There is a trucking company I know that has class 8 electric truck in there fleet. It is the most expensive pice of junk they own says the owner. But it is great PR for the company. Diesel will be here for a long time to come especially in places that cold in the winter. As your 400 mile range falls to 150.
A year later and still not in production. I think that answers the question in the title.
Pepsi has confirmed 36 semi’s! Working there way to 100, explains “pilot production”
gotta start somewhere! time to charge em all with solar 😅
@@mho... I own a very large solar company. The size of the array required to supply the 800+kW peak demand of this battery is absolutely monstrous. Solar can slowly help fill a battery that powers this but in absolutely no way is it feasible to charge a truck off solar
@@mattbrew11 they claim that they have 2mv of solar and 2.7 mv h of storage in that fritolay facility - is it enough to achieve anything? Or they mostly just use all this for "being green" pr ?
@@seowebua those numbers seem misaligned but yeah you could charge the trucks off it.
@@mattbrew11 While you could charge directly from solar, it would be best to charge a stationary pack like the Tesla Megapacks or other's versions and then discharge when needed. A single megapack could cover more than 4 full charges when fully charged, though normally 6-8 typical charges. And that's when the sun is shining and recharging it. You have to deal with some efficiency losses, but it's far better overall.
Good work PepsiCo and Tesla!
The Tesla Semi is a full generation ahead of the incumbent vendors in battery technology. They are already using 1000V batteries everyone else is using 400-500V systems. This means a Tesla Srmi can charge 2X as fast. These truck chargers cost a for so if I can charge twice as fast and spend half as much on chargers "that's a good thing". All the incumbent vendors are great companies they will get there.
Lol, tell me again you've no idea how electricity works 😂
Most distribution cost a lot of money in gasoline. Making everything electric naturally lowers the cost. Besides making everything easier
Fun fact: those battery Peterbilts are actually rebadged DAF trucks.
It’s not a DAF truck. All the powertrain was developed, fabricated and installed in the US. Although I understand your confusion, as the cab is similar to the one of the DAF LF truck. It’s not a rebadge.
FUN FACT - all the other , so called Compedators ALL have shorter range Trucks , that are SLOWER, and can haul LESS cargo.
@@markplott4820 Stop with the Tesla propaganda & Trolling its tiresome already....
@@michaelsamuel9917
Not propaganda if true.
The arrival of the freaking *Tesla* semi tractor was bound to upset people. They try to FUD the technology in some pretty funny ways, when the fact is that disruptive technologies frighten a certain type of person.
As a long haul truck driver I think the one thing no one is talking about this is weather, I live in Canada but I do routes from Canada to Texas, right now its anywhere from -10c to +2c and when I arrive in Texas its +15c to +20c that change in weather, mostly cold weather can have a big affect on charging and use of batteries. In the winter my buddies electric car's range is cut in half. So I could be 100% wrong but your telling me in the winter that could add an extra 2 to 3 days on a trip I do in 5 that's a lot of wasted time that I could be out making money. For example if your going off of the 500 miles, its roughly 260 miles to the USA border from where I start my day a 4 and a half hour drive, I couldn't even do that in one day where in my normal work truck I would be at the Illinois border which is an 10 and half hour drive and still have enough fuel to go another 600 miles before fueling. Electric trucks are great for local LTL stuff like Frito driving around in the warm weather but throw the same truck up here in Canada it wouldn't last a winter. Again I'm just a truck driver and saying what I see on the road, electric will never work for OTR trucking.
Never say never
Tesla's Octovalve tech has shown that efficiently controlling battery temp reduces the effects of cold battery losses dramatically.
There are ways to mitigate the problem, but it will take a lot more time to be viable up north. So i think you are right.
I wondered about this. While I have an EV (in addition to an ICE car), I live in Southern California. I never deal with range depletion due to low temperatures but hear about this in other states. Should be interesting to see.
While yes, with today's technology it doesn't make financial sense to have electric vehicles in Canada, I would argue that with the technology of 10 years ago it didn't make financial sense to have electric cars period. There are many ways to solve the cold weather issue that electric vehicles have, and saying it will never work is very short-sighted IMO.
The semis should not have autonomous driving included due to the fact of the danger having an 80,000 pound semi driving down the highway or road with nobody at the controls except someone sleeping behind the wheel.
It'll need advanced notice to all cities exactly when it will arrive so nobody gets killed when it drives through red lights at 80 mph because of a software glitch.
What we REALLY need, however, are electric pantograph lines over our Superhighways. That's a 150 year old technology, that was/is used for commuter rail.
Long Haul trucks log the Lion's share of miles on those highways. A (relatively) small battery could Easily handle the time they spend on city streets.
Germany and Norway are already doing that.
Gasoline+Diesel Fuel=about 80% of a Barrel of Crude.
And, even the ten percent that goes into Jet Fuel will be threatened by Bullet trains, and, hopefully, the Hyper Loop, if it's built. "Green" Anhydrous Ammonia is also being looked at as a fuel for both aviation and cargo ships. It needs to be broken back down into H2+N2 first.
OPEC...your days are Numbered.
It’s a first run of semi-production. Of course they are going to test them, fix a bunch of things and improve.
The only thing that matter is the speed of improvement.
They show they are able to do the fastest vehicle (model S plaid) and one of the most challenging: semi.
You more than likely know bout this more than I do but I was wondering what happened to the Tesla truck? 🛻 are the still gonna release?
@@drodriguez3935 Yes. By the end of this year for sure.
@@drodriguez3935 They did in november 2023
Considering the energy storage problem electricity is likely to become dramatically cheaper provided charging can be done at times of high supply and low demand (e.g. middle of the day or middle of the night), batteries are also likely to continue becoming cheaper.
It sounds like the business case for the electric trucks is already there but it is also likely to become better over time, same for EV's.
I still think we'll see the Tesla Semi hooked up overnight at car supercharger locations, either using a dedicated Megacharger at very low power, or to existing "end of row" V3 chargers using an adapter so supply about 120kW over 8 hours (plus "hookup" for driver and trailer use!)
That immediately provides a nationwide "network" of currently underutilised sites.
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Tesla also announced "Lounges" being built in Europe to provide facilities for drivers.
Expect a similar announcement in the US, perhaps at the investor event?
Perfect for a truck driver sleeping over?
Would see a lot of truck lots seeking to add mega chargers to their sites as part of parking spots so while you sleep or rest it's topping up.
I would suggest that you look up nickel and lithium prices of the last 5 years.
Prices are up not down.
Whats for most logistic company important is haul capicity.
Given that a tesla semi can haul only about 1/4 of a Diesel truck it has a massive disadvantage.
This means more trips, more and longer „fueling“ times and more labour.
Electric trucks make sense in a city or maybe long haul with low weight material.
However you can do that with a diesel truck as well and that gives owners a flexibility.
The point is every technologie has advantages and disadvantages.
I still don‘t see any financial advantage of electric truck for logistic.
Only a nice „advertisement“ for companies who want to show how enviromentaly causcious they are.
Aaany way if Diesel trucks get banned freight will get more expensive which in the end the common people will pay.
If that‘s worth it anyone can decide by their own.
If the demand continues to grow for both cars and trucks due to battery resources, they will rise rather than go down. Unless there is a great advance in terms of battery capacity, I see a commitment to hydrogen for trucks as more convenient.
@@Slithermotion They can haul a lot more than 1/4 - at least 60% and more likely 75% - even on weight-limited loads.
A lot more even on COMMON volume-limited loads.
But the technology remains niche for now - 'til the RECHARGING situation changes dramatically.
That $180,000 is about the same price as a brand-new JDM Semi trucks in Japan like Isuzu, Fuso & Hino Profia, just a 4x2 semi truck with around 420-480hp.
Power on this truck is around 1000-1500HP equivalent
Nobody ever talks about the special (and super expensive) tires needed for EV's, including I presume trucks. No body ever talks about the size and weight of the batteries either. My guess is that the battery alone weights 16,000 pounds. That adds up to a lot of road wear on a tire. And then you add in the the wear caused by the instant torque characteristic of electric motors and you have a tire that is going to wear out 2x as fast as a normal tire. Indeed, the average EV tire wears out at around 30K miles. Not to mention that these trucks are super heavy and that is going to add to the wear and tear on the roads. And what happens if you get a flat on the road?
_No body ever talks about the size and weight of the batteries either._
*Everybody* talks about the size and weight of the batteries.
_My guess is that the battery alone weights 16,000 pounds._
Based on what? The consensus is 10,000 lbs., largely offset by removing the entire engine, transmission, driveshaft, fuel system, cooling system, exhaust system, additional chassis bracing for twisting loads, etc.
_That adds up to a lot of road wear on a tire. And then you add in the the wear caused by the instant torque characteristic of electric motors and you have a tire that is going to wear out 2x as fast as a normal tire._
This is pure speculation on your part. It will be up to truck drivers not to abuse the instant torque, for one thing so as not to shift or move loads. Undoubtedly, truckers who show unusual tire wear will be treated appropriately. Likely there *will be* more tire wear; but certainly not 2X; and then only on the tires on the two drive axles. The steer axle tires will likely have less wear, and the wear on the trailer tires will be slightly less.
_Not to mention that these trucks are super heavy and that is going to add to the wear and tear on the roads._
A fully-loaded electric semi is 2.5% heavier than a fully-loaded diesel semi; I think the roads can handle it, especially given all the benefits of electric drive.
_And what happens if you get a flat on the road?_
Same thing that happens when a diesel semi gets a flat on the road. Why would it be any different?
Everything you need to know about corporations is clear as day when they said they were not allowing interviews with the drivers.
i think it was the right choice and should be allowed at a later stage, not at the start, it would just spread misinformation.
this is the start and it will be like every other start covered in hiccups until it runs perfect like electric cars nowadays.
@John Smith
Can't possibly reveal that "misinformation" aka inconvenient truths.
Going thru the comments, come back in two decades when these are purchased on a large scale.
How much is the truck battery charging bill each month in comparison to the diesel fuel bill of the same miles driven?
How much are the onsite battery charging in maintenance and initial cost?
What are the in dollars savings of truck maintenance per month?
What maintenance items do electric trucks have that diesel trucks do not?
How much loss in revenue per truck due to the heavier truck weights and how much heavier are the electric trucks?
Taking away all of the Government and Tesla incentives, how much is the cost of electric transportation vs. diesel?
How much does Pepsi pay for their charging electricity per kWh with their electric company?
How much pollution is saved or not from using electricity from power plants? Electricity is generated, doesn't that pollute as well?
Now, lets do the same charging of batteries but without any solar, wind, ocean etc. such as at nighttime, what are the pollution levels saved or gained?
I’m a driver myself would love for them too actually have drivers drive them for a year and get honest feedback
The once in a century infrastructure investment is a really good perspective that I think many, including myself have not considered. Looking back and seeing what we have achieved with the highways and railroads, a wide scale grid update seems achievable.
Yes, it's the main competitive advantage of tesla IMO. I'm so disappointed other car manufacturer did such a poor job with chargers across the US.
They were forced to use the money to build a charging infrastructure because of "Dieslgate". I think it shows that it wasn't their choice, it's not competitive, it doesn't last, and it's not the best distribution across the states.
It's disgusting that they took it as a profit driven adventure while it's supposed to be their punishments. But u they loose money on every car and don't make up the money in maintenance so you have to recoup somewhere..
As long as Tesla plays ball with the charging standards being created. Otherwise, we're gonna have a situation where charging stations have like twenty different hookups and it's a nightmare.
Considering that we already have a pretty good electrical infrastructure across the country adding charging stations is just like adding access points to something that’s already there.
@@teslaliving4924 we actually have terrible power infrastructure, not as bad as Japan though. Early adopter syndrome.
@@z-beeblebrox Tesla is the leader in EV technology. It is up to the government to get involved and set the standards . Which I think they just did siding with Tesla system as the standard. Not 100% sure thou. I think we also need to invest in nuclear power .
A lot of the arguments on the diesel side here seem very familiar to the criticisms we saw between Tesla Roadster to Model 3 (the tech is not there, the range is not there, the scale is not there, the economics don't make sense, the charging doesn't make sense, etc). If Tesla can replicate the same success they did for S/X and 3/Y these analysts might end up being too shortsighted in the long run, esp considering the competition they showed in the video all have a much lower range.
Well said
I'm under the understanding, that it's not exactly great for the environment. Nor cost effective.. there is a more areo dynamic gasoline truck that goes twice as far on half the gas. But it was shot down a few years back.
An Indian can’t be this dumb. Bev is surely not the future of large long haul trucks
@@geraldhenderson8474 you just described a truck that's 75% more efficient... Why on earth would that be shutdown? The industry would pay billions for it!
@NeutronStream the maintenance on this thing is going to be a nightmare. Tesla has more than a few horror stories. Now the moving onto trucks?????? Plus a whole industry on the grid???
Swappable batteries are the only viable solution for present battery tech. I don't see the tech improve enough any time soon to make the in-vehicle batteries as they are used now viable. There is such a tremendous load of problems with that, which are basically impossible to overcome, such as grid loads, fire hazard, charge times, weight, availability of raw materials just to name a few.
_There is such a tremendous load of problems with that, which are basically impossible to overcome_
All of these have, in fact, been overcome. So there's that...
@@Big_Ben_from_La_Mesa Have they now huh, Einstein? You should know, I am an electrical engineer, with almost 50 years of experience, and let me blow your little bubble here, the problems have not at all been mitigated. There is a proposal in Switzerland to ban EVs due to grid insecurity, there are fires in ships that could have been prevented if only the cars would not have had their little bombs on board, there is weight, a raw materials crisis, an energy crisis, huge cues at charging stations, huge charge times etc etc etc. There is waaay not enough capacity at this point in terms of power stations to power all the EVs required to replace all Ice, and more than 95% of all global electrical power still comes from burning coal. Your turn....
I have personally wrapped over 500 frito lay box trucks. This is awesome to watch
5 yrs is not bad. Impressive really. Starting from 0 in an unfamiliar industry, 5 yrs is impressive. Now to work out the quirks operationally and production-wise and then, in Tesla style, fly away. Should be interesting to see how they work this out and the market share they grab.
A LIGHTER BATTERY pack is crucial. Hopefully, that will be eng'd by someone soon, otherwise, go for natural gas.
I am not an engineer, but these trucks need a heavy load cantered around the front.
Tesla fanboy?
By Tesla Style do you mean leaving the quirks and letting customers deal with it, like they do with their cars?
@@michaellivingston6768 Tesla style in this context means a production system of continuous improvement. Every year hundreds of small and large changes are done to the cars being built. I'm guessing they'll do the same for the semis.
@@truthalonetriumphs6572dude said if Tesla can’t meet their demands then go for natural gas.
Read better next time
To be fail, a LOT of diesel tractors are well over $100,000 and have been for a while.
Even occasional recent low-miles used examples will sometimes exceed $200,000 (browse Kenworth T2000 listings sometime among others).
That's a consequence of capitalist monopolization and profit-seeking, not a realistic analysis of the actual cost of tractors. Any realistic cost analysis would include total agriculture government subsidies into the equation, after accounting for how most of the subsidies go to massive agricultural corporations and suppliers, rather than actual farmers. If the government were to instead nationalize the industries it's propping up, and directly provide those subsidies to actual farmers that own actual farms, it would be a radically different situation. But, no, America exists to serve the shareholder class, instead of actual working class people that do actual work.
@@RosscoAW How does that affect the cost of diesel (or other) tractors?
Owner-operators and fleet operators don't get "agricultural subsidies".
You're sounding FAR too Communistic with your "complaint" and statement.
As if Europe does NOT provide even MORE subsidies than the USA does.
they add batteries in bottom of the semis box in back put product in. that extend miles electric semi can drive can get power from trailer. also if pick up trailer that trailer be charged same time semi is on road on way to pick up trailer and drope off old trailer. so that save time for them have charge vehicle part.
It will some time before we will electric out here. I run a LTL run that covers ND SD northern MN and northwest WI. Run a lot of backroad to small towns. So not a lot of truck stops. Just small gas station fuel stops with small parking lots. So have a place to charge is not here yet by any means. Most the time I am lucky to find a place to park.
Tesla owner here: Price volatility still exist for electric car. If you have a Tesla you would see that certain chargers charge more and the price would also differ at different times (night/morning or even night/morning/afternoon). I still like the car but there's more to it, its not all a dream. Be wary of absolutist, shades of gray exist in everything.
I think we can make the case that we are in early days for EVs in general. The narrative can change based on who ends up crafting it. We need to support and encourage companies who drive the best case.
Looking for improvement not perfection dude 😮
People like to say it won't work over the road but it would work really good for shuttle drivers . 200 miles out and back. Which a lot of large trucking do. And mega charger stations will be are easier to put in than a truck stop. noise or pollution from idling truck.
How about OTR.
Sleeper cab (why not?)
450 miles, (about 7 hours at 65 mph),
Driver stop (300 miles added at a megacharger, that's 350 remaining).
4 hours remaining driver time ?
That's ±260 miles at 65 average (which the Tesla can maintain over terrain)
60 miles range remaining.
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Total range 450+260= ±710 miles (max load)
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Truck stops at a V3 charge location.
It's "off peak" time.
No cars (or few) are on site.
The location has a "Semi bay" behind the car chargers on the opposite side to the cars.
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Picks a (V3) charger, plugs in with an adapter.
The driver sets a timer.
The system modulates the charge at ±120-130kW (half the charger capability) for about 7-8 hours.
This charges the truck to 95% if at high elevation (leaves a Regen buffer) or 99% if on flat terrain, the timer completes the charge 10 minutes before the departure time set by the driver.
The charger also provides onboard hookup for the driver (heating, cooking?) and the trailer if required. (Silent power!)
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Tesla installs user Lounges (being done in Europe) for car drivers during the day, truckers 24 hours, with basic food/ drink service, maybe showers depending on access status?
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This is based on max load.
Ranges will increase with lighter loads.
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Feasible?
@@rogerstarkey5390 As someone who spent a lifetime in logistics, I appreciate reading ideas from those who think about how to make something work rather than the "This is @#$%# impossible crowd." I think you are on the right track but it will take some time to make progress on that front. More than 50% of freight moved is local and regional such as the 400 miles or less indicated by the Pepsi rep in the video. This will be less complex to set up with trucks coming back to home base each day and will be the focus initially. It will still keep Tesla and other Semi EV's busy for years to build out that network first and then the OTR freight will follow.
@@rogerstarkey5390 I don't think the current V3 supercharger sites made for EVs are compatible with semis because the maneuvering space wouldn't be enough for multiple semis.
TESLA recently added 8 Megachargers to FRESNO , CA to support Operations.
Yep. All the pollution should be kept around the nat gas or coal power plant. That is where the poor and largely minority people live. Let them deal with the effects of the pollution.
It’s obvious why they didn’t allow feedback from the drivers. Drivers have already said in other instances they don’t like them compared to traditional diesel trucks. They only show you the upside
There are interviews just not by MSM, their only real complaint is mirrors and difficulties finding charging.
Total lifetime cost is better than diesel? How long does the battery last and how much is the replacement cost? Keep in mind trucks often run a solid 5 -6 days a week. Its absolutely no comparison to a car that may run 50 miles per day. We will see how things hold up. My bet is there will be silent grants being given out for the repair costs.
I'm a local driver for a mega carrier arm, i expect to see electric replace a good portion of the home daily drivers sooner than later. Its really gonna come down to reliability though, if they start hitting the roads and are rolling fine it will switch quickly. If not its going to be long and drawn-out.
Yep, it's just a matter of time. Though, don't expect Tesla to produce meaningful numbers this year. It will scale to a few hundreds, but the real scale will happen in a year or two, like with the model Y and 3.
i haul milk locally. it's farm loading and plant delivery. we are on overweight permits, and everything here is hills. i drive a 2022 T880 X15 cummins 565 hp and an 18 speed manual. this ugly thing isnt going to be replacing my X15 powered beast. it simply wont have an stamina with the weight or the hills. it wont be hauling construction equipment, windmill generator heads (LOL), blacktop, concrete, dirt, stone, water, fuel or anything that's on an overweight permit...... which is ALLOT of local trucking.
Agree with you.
That said, I own a Tesla. Haven't had to do ANY maintenance other than changing tires and adding wiper fluid for 5 years. I think reliability is generally better because the electric drivetrain has no fluids. It's much simpler.
The problem might be repairs when you need them. Like say non reliability issues like accidents. You can really only go to Tesla service centers.
Reliability should be a LOT better. Very few movable parts, lesser wear and tear, more life expectancy..
Will be interesting to see how long these last. Like what happens when you have to replace batteries etc? Is it affordable?
With a million mile guarantee it should last a while
with the arrival of the million plus mile battery that becomes a non worry
@@flodjod Does that exist now?
Lithium batteries are very recyclable and are worth about 1/3 of original value when used.
@@menotyou1234 Right. But currently for a Tesla 3 for example you are looking at about $15 - $20,000 for a replacement pack. AND only Tesla can do it if you want a warranty etc. With a Credit for your current pack you are looking at almost $15,000. Thats more then the cost of almost every full car I have ever bought.
When the companies start paying drivers wages instead of by the mile, then you can start making them drive these things. To really make these tractors happen for long haul, you will need a much lighter battery chemistry so that you can have battery packs in the trailer as well as in that tractor.
So when there are rolling brown outs, in the summer are they apart of the energy problem since they had to bring in more electric power??
Why don't you post a link stating when the last time there were widespread rolling brownouts in California?
He must be talking about the Texas PowerGrid. Here in South Texas, Solar in summer providesup to 70% of power but our rich & powerful funded by the oil gas lobby make it difficult for those trying to provide the infrastructure needed. West Texas excess Wind is not attached to the Grid.
My son drives A Tesla in Georgia. He laments the limited accessability in some areas. We need more infrastructure to support the future.
Why wouldn't they let them interview the drivers? I mean, their feedback should be priority at this moment.
Tesla will pull back the curtain when the truck enters production. These are pre production units, I am sure it is upgrading the truck to make it more robust.
The Tesla Semi is the best that could have happen to the trucking industry on low and midrange. Not yet there on long range, but time will work in favor of EVs.
So far best EV Semi on the street by far.
Many people seem to forget that there's a considerable lack of overlap between Tesla fans and truck drivers.
If they made the batteries to be inerchangable at a charging station instead of waiting an hour + for it to charge .. Just pull up flip a switch that disables the main power from the battery and change out with a fully charged battery in and out 5-10 minutes would be more practicle like when you go and exchange your grill propane tank. The truck can have a regular battery to hold the charge of electronics in the truck while you exchange the main driving battery.. Am I the only person to think these things up? Hire me EV companies I'll show you how it's done, and make a better product that companies will want.
No you're not. Search for Janus Electric. But the technical and logistics challenges are huge, and the largest batteries they've worked with so far are far smaller than those in the Tesla Semi.
If the total cost of ownership is so good, why is the California government paying 50% for Pepsi to purchase these trucks? Something doesn't seem right here.
Why is oil subsidised?
Because california is trying to reach zero emissions faster than any other state. By funding these new vehicles they ensure the economics go from making sense to obvious.
@@ogzombieblunt4626 I suspect that Pepsi was going to buy these vehicles regardless of government funding. The promotional value alone would likely be worth the cost. Having a government pay 50% of it while going deeper into debt comes across as a bit corrupt to me.
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True, but other companies might be more conservative and need a kick in the pocket books. I do agree that incentives for evs aren't needed for them to make economic sense now, cali is good at throwing money at problems and ignoring the outcome of that spent money.
I'd be much more impressed if I could get basic information on specs like the actual tare weight of the truck.
Since it's the 2170 cell version of the truck, it's likely going to be replaced by the lighter 4680 cell version, so they don't want to publish a weight that's not finally when they can shave half a ton or more.
Yeah, I think we would all like that info. We'll get it ... but seems its going to take some time.
It seems odd that they are hiding this info.
Decades ago, when asked about the performance of their cars, Rolls Royce would consistently issue the same statement.
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"Sufficient".
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Nuff said.
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It's essentially none of our business.
We need more power plants, a lot more charging stations, more frequent highway repaving. All of above need to be discussed before we are asking truck industries to change to electric trucks. Are current lithium batteries production and disposal carbon neutral?
_Are current lithium batteries production and disposal carbon neutral?_
No, they're not. But they achieve lifetime carbon neutrality within about the first year of operation.
Think we need to be leveraging more efficient freight trains for cross-country shipment then shift the trucks to being primarily short-haul from those nodes.
The idea of electric trucking is great. The feasibility of electric trucking seems less so. It seems like an excellent localized/regionalized solution. Electric trucks being used at port and cargo transit facilities and for regional deliveries (such as those described in this video of 300-400 miles). It seems easier to adopt here, and the charging infrastructure can be more readily setup to account for known traffic volumes and schedules. Also may reduce emissions in the areas impacted most, those that are dense and urban.
Long distance electric trucking is where I would see the main challenges here, as the video addresses. The complications of developing a nationwide charging network for hundreds of dozens of trucks at a single location every night is quite the challenge.
Perhaps for now, keeping electric trucking to short distance is best, and gradually phasing it into longer distance routes as the technology is developed.
Range extender is the solution for the electric Semi industry. 30-40kW would be more then enough. Then it would be hybrid theoretically but the range extender should be used only when wind causes drop in efficiency and lower range or some unexpected situations like not working charger etc.
I'm fairly certain that's the plan for now, until better battery/energy storage technologies come along.
Hybrid trucks are the answer. Look up Edison Motors and their diesel-electric logging truck. It just makes logical sense.
@@randgrithr7387 thanks! I looked into it that’s really cool how they make purpose built trucks and do rebuilds. Good solution!
It's a challenge that the federal government should nationalize and tackle directly, the same way highways, railways, and all other necessarily-government-subsidized infrastructure works. The alternative is a frankly horrifying future where Elon Musk has somehow managed to privatize a monolithic utility monopoly ubiquitous throughout N. America, and that's an inevitably dystopian hellscape nobody deserves to suffer under.
It's the same with any field: if someone doesn't try, we can speculate all we want but we will never really know.
I think this is a bit of a risk but more power to Tesla for trying. In getting this ball rolling the other big trucking companies will have to give their best effort too. The start is very rarely, easy or graceful. It maybe that the start of this endeavor is as graceful as a newborn giraffe stumbling across a field after a few bottles of vodka but you gotta start somewhere.
For a guy that's headed up a company that effectively pioneered electric cars to be fun and fast and also got rockets to land in a few years where NASA tried and failed for decades, I'd say it'd be plausible for him to get into the Class 8 market and deliver some potato chips.
But we have to make a change. The world isn't going to change itself. We need to go from being a species that causes net damage to one that helps reverse the damage we've caused and we aren't doing that by just doing more of what we've done before. Make a change, try it, does it work? Yes? Great, keep on doing more of that. No? Make another change and keep working.
I can't tell you how refreshing it is to hear this stance on it. I see so many statements of "I don't believe x will work, so let's do nothing" and it gets really disappointing. If something will work it will do well, if it doesn't then it wont do well. Ultimately what we use now needs an update, and I'm happy someone is at least trying.
I agree, well said!
Good thoughtful, reasonable response.
How many megachargers do they have? How many are charged by solar power. How long will the batteries last? How do you put out a semi experiencing thermal run away. They are illegal on Australian roads.
4 mega chargers, all of them if using grid share, the current semi uses NMC cells. Which last 8 years/400,000 miles, new LFP cells last over twice the milage.
You use a water hose to put out the fire, then continue spraying to stop further decomposition, yes corruption hurts tesla, which is why tesla can't sell its car in the state it manufactures them.
As Miguel stated, 4 Megachargers at the Sacramento PepsiCo Plant; but also 4 at the Modesto Frito-Lay Plant, 8 under installation at the Fresno PepsiCo Plant, one at the Tesla Supercharger station in Baker, CA, and at least one at the Tesla Gigafactory in Reno, NV. Further, 72 more are in planning: 8 each in Fremont, Bakersfield, Compton, and Indio, CA; 8 each in Phoenix and San Simon, AZ; and 8 each in Sparks, Fort Stockton, and Laredo, TX.
One question: what is the max payload weight proportional to a gas-powered semi of the same road weight? 50%? 25%?
92%. A diesel-not gas-powered-semi has a max payload of about 46,500 lbs., and a Tesla Semi has a max payload of about 43,000 lbs.
@@Big_Ben_from_La_Mesa he mean weight regulation on road
Make battery metal weight identification to oil is pure magic
It's like France reduce weight of AMX-50 "Armoured" into "light weight" variant but it's still heavy to service
@@02suraditpengsaeng41 _he mean weight regulation on road_
No, he specifically said "max payload weight."_
_Make battery metal weight identification to oil is pure magic_
I have no idea what that means. It might be better to write in your native language, and let Google translate it.