I’m quite intrigued. It’s like a comic book where there are all these larger than life characters. Many are actual villains. Then the heroes fall and become the villains. It’s like a soap opera.
I think most furries and regular people think zoo's (and pedos for that matter) are the scum of the earth. It's so sad how they think they have any right to call our fandom home :(
We do. But there's also a lot of sympathizers for em too sadly. I don't know how anyone can defend that shit. In the time I've been in the fandom, I've really come to my own conclusion that a lot of furries see good in people when.. there really isn't any good in there at all, and any "good" they do is really just a facade for something way more malicious
@@jpmac97 Easy: you just take distance to your personal feelings and focus on evidence instead. And what bothers me more than zoos and pedos are people who're trying to dictate to me how to feel about things.
@@sim5090 THAT ONE WHERE THE GUY HAD A FETISH ON JERKING OFF ON FOOD AND INVITING 10 PEOPLE TO JERK OFF ON PIZZA AT A FURRY CONVENTION THAT RESULTED IN A VIDEO OF THEM AWOOING WHILE DOING IT, THE ALLEGED JERKED OFF PIZZA BEING FOUND AND HIM BEING BANNED FROM THE CONV WILL ALWAYS BE MY FAVORITE LMAOOOOOOO
the way coyote calls the victim a bitch and tells them off makes me sick as a victim of grooming myself. imagine trying to act like someone's savior in such a traumatizing and horrible situation and then turning around to insult them and call them annoying. it's already hard enough on its own.
The worst part of this is, is that while Coyote was flirting and getting his rocks off to Sappho he knew she was in contact with a 14 year old who she was grooming. He knew because she was very open about how she was having art done for her and the 14 year old. He saw the art. Coyote then just...didn't do a thing. He never tried to get help for the victim or even pass on that information, he just let it happen.
Im so disappointed in him, I loved the work that he did and the videos he made but he's proven himself to be a wolf (or coyote in this case) in sheeps clothing💔
Problem comes when the honesty part is used disingenuously and people instead play up a persona to get under someone's skin rather then, well, focusing on the pure honest truth and doing their best to leave the greatest negative impact on people who deserve it
Honestly? Not surprised he got caught doing this type of shit. Why do the people that hunt and call out bad people often turn out to be bad people themselves lol? It's a weird phenomenon that I've been noticing. Edit: We can add Lio and Peaches here too
I wondered this with Vida too. He was a "child predator hunter" but ended up being a child predator himself. Coincidentally he also used to be affiliated with The Senate.
It's like what Nietszchie said, and I'm paraphrasing here: "Be cautious with fighting monsters lest you become one, and when you gaze into the abyss, it'll look back into you."
Lovelycoyote went full "primal primitivist." He got to invested in his gay op: he went rogue. You could even say it went full on dances with coyotes. *(Seinfeld theme)*
I've said this multiple times and I'll say it here: This whole thing was handled POORLY. We're talking major incompetence from multiple entities. Victims were never given their due justice, even after they shared their stories, because people kept tripping over themselves to be the one to sink the ship. Cas can conduct himself in a much better manner, I've seen him do it in other instances. I understand it's a friend and it amounts to betrayal and it hurts, but the VICTIMS and the TRUTH come first rather than a screaming shitshow. This doesn't excuse what Coyote did, as he completely failed to take accountability for his actions and put others, including victims, at risk. He also brushed this off as if it would disappear into thin air. As someone who knew him for a short period of time, it is painful to see this happen, but it was necessary. However, moving forward, the thing we need to take away is that propping a situation like this for any type of gain other than raising awareness/justice is not acceptable. Victims and Justice first, other things second.
I think this definitely proves it's easier said than done when it comes to cutting people off after something they did was heinous. The commentary community has always been pretty gloomy to fully dive into and this situation definitely made it even more so. I'm glad you were able to finally talk about the situation and give your personal opinion on it. It can be tough handling something like this mentally when someone you consider close is in that spotlight to be shamed, and it's definitely important to note that it's easier said than done when it comes to cutting people off you consider close friends. I do hope you'll be able to continue building up your own mental health as you move on from all this bull shit.
The thing is. Coyote knew most of these creators and they all hyped up and readied videos to bash coyote as a snake move. This isn't a moving on thing for lagovirt, this is a coordinated execution of a weirdo who kiwifarms users were popping off about.
I recently removed myself from a community of really toxic people, I was so desperate for some sort of community I settled for staying in a toxic community
jesus fucking christ what fascinates me about the internet and just furries in general is how much of a crab bucket mentality there is and the abusrd amount of drama each person trying to throw the other under the bus for the sake of clout fame and attention but how much skeletons and monsters lurk in there closet as well so much so that its hard to tell either or not your talking to a human being or the next ted bundy or john wayne gacy
The stream seemed so pointless. They sounded like a bunch of middle school children. If I wanted to listen to a bunch of incoherent insults, I'd play cod. I understand it was so no script was involved, and it was supposed to be "real," but it just ended up reminding me about those furry cringe comps lmao.
The fact they called the server " the senate" and everyone sounds like a child in there, tells me they need to get hell out more. God damn xD lagovirt is the only one that sounds like he reached the age of drinking.
the thing i didn't like about cas' stream was he let other people just yell and scream at Kyle when it would've been better imo to do a 1 on 1 with him and bring people in one by one to question them. i dont like the larp on either ends either.
Yeah, most of them just interrupted the discussion. Don't know why Cas considered them all so relevant that they HAVE to be on stream and a reschedule without them is not possible. I think frisky and pizza (sorry if misspell) were the only extra persons who actually added something. Maybe it's just me being an adult, but prefer debates being clear cut
Exactly! It's good Coyote was called out, but another thing that irked me was Cas basically saying that Lio, Peaches, etc (basically everyone that just so happened to be in a server with Coyote) were just as guilty for not knowing what he was doing every second of every day, and considering them compliant for not having a call out post on it .05 seconds after the news came to light. Basically expected them to be Coyote's keeper, which is asinine.
@@neonbat666 HI YES!!! That genuinely pissed me off so bad too!! Along with Cas’s ramblings abt his community and how it gets treated when like,, the easiest way to solve that is to FOCUS on improving your community, not burning all the others around you and starting some dumbass spaz war. Cas blaming Lio was entirely uncalled for IMO. Don’t go around condemning ppl for the Crime of not knowing what their friends are doing behind their backs. It’s absolutely stupid and ridiculous.
After having to cut my own brother out of my life over abusive/manipulative behavior, I know how hard it is to distance from someone you care about. Their actions may have caused irreparable damage to one's family/community, but there's still that shred of empathy and compassion for them as you remember the good things they did. It's never easy having to make a decision like that, and I completely understand and empathize with your situation with Lovely. Sorry it had to be this way, and I wish the best for everyone involved here.
I remember I had fun talking with him and some other people in the late night voice chats, even though I always got this weird vibe from him. I just chalked it up to me feeling some kind of random paranoia. It sucks that feeling was right.
same. i was subscribed because of his videos but i always got a weird feeling too, however i always think im gaslighting myself in some way. half of the times im always right about the feeling...
I remeber having to sit through Cas' stream because it was the only thing covering what was going on regarding Yote's Twitter. Needless to say it was...a chore to sit through. The cringe acting, chest-beating, whatever you called that mess. It really distracted from the issue at hand.
I always got the vibes from his videos that he was very confident in himself... like *too* confident. I kinda had this impending sense that it would blow up in his face one day. Just didn't think it would be centered around fake flirting with a zoo 💀. I hope you and your friends can find closure and healing together, Lago
he really has to dramatize everything that happens and make it into a feature length film that stars him he has go make everything so theatrical and its so god damn annoying 😭 bro you aren't sherlock holmes you're a 30 year old furry named kyle
It's just really unfortunate what happened with Coyote. He fell back on the defense that he's just a troll and not a "hero" when that's just not how it works. Man idolized Metokur, a guy well known for getting deep into situations because he was more than just a troll. He treated "degenerates" like zoo exhibits but he also stopped and spread word about legit creeps. Coyote tried too hard to do the same and it cost him his dignity trying to make everything an op
Well said! That's very good distinction lol- calling someone a bitch and hounding because they don't like them as opposed to calling someone a bitch and hounding them because they're a degenerate.
"War may start when you may, but it doesn't end when you please" If you want to step outside of your lane to do something, what happens happens. However, you can't backtrack when you screw up and claim you have no responsibility. You're either a commentator investigating criminal activity, or a drama troll talking about ongoing issues. You can't flip-flop.
Yup he thinks he's the furry metokur. Forgetting the fact that if your a furry your automatically not jim and two only jim can be jim. Ive never seen anyone else thats not jim able to do what he does.
Tip people, to keep yourself from becoming part of the pattern, don't get directly involved with the offender, don't view any content related to it, just take the news, spread it, or file an anonymous report explaining the situation, and only providing evidence, if for yourself, it is not explicit to do so, I.e send the docs and links, don't view anything in it, you are not the investigator, there's a reason professionals examine the information, I always kept my distance and passed the information on, never delved too deep in it, thankfully its benefited me mentally, thats how you avoid the pattern.
So at the end of the stream i do believe they branded coyote a "niglet...which is a racial slur...." wow....im honestly not suprised, they were acting like edgy 13 year olds the whole stream.
When I use to be friends with Coyote, he requested me to make him a 3d model texture and to make 3d art of him being sat on by macros. I still have the images. Tempted to share it with the world but not sure on what to do.
Literally no one wants to see that and it adds nothing to the conversation at hand. And if you did choose to post them you're just adding nothing of worth Edit: and I saw your "whatever you say pedo defender" and you're the one trying to share his fetish art
I do like to occasionally catch a cas stream, but his dog piling and wanting to make snarky jokes can get old quick. I want the facts not this persona he tries to construct. Of course there are people who do enjoy that style and more power to them.
maybe im misreading the situation but questioning whether or not the three of you were in a poly relationship seems so.... nosy?? lame??? a contrived way to rope you into drama you were sort of on the cusp of to begin with? i already didn't have much interest in coyote's side of furry drama coverage but not a big fan off how cas handled this either either way - as someone who awhile ago also had to cut a friend off for bedding with a zoo, it does get better - and i wish you the best!
the thread coming out a day after my birthday and two days after i had a townwide power outage means i have a very stupid and very fascinated interest in this whole shebang. absolutely wild
I so respect that you only make claims with evidence, and love your channel. But I'm worried about you! I suffer from depression and know what it's like. I'm here for you however I can be.
I'll never forget making a comment about how ironic it was that he used ShiOkami to narrate as part of one of his Sappho videos, given Shi gave Lucky DHC (also another INFAMOUS zoophile and predator) a platform to speak instead of the victims. He got really pissy about that.
I honestly never was invested in coyote and him associating with zcarlo set my doubts early on. Then the twitter slapfight fiasco happened over simply wanting questions and made me realize something more was going on.
That stream full of "detectives" is really the most cringe shit I swear to god. Like yall.... WHOS FUCKIN BABY IS THIS? 37:14 Why are KIDS IN THIS CALL?
NGL the shit a bunch of these people were spewing “just cuz” made the stream hard to watch. I genuinely feel so bad for Furski but being a victim shouldn’t excuse you from being a *bit* of an asshole. What Coyote did was fucked up yes, but you have to come at these issues with a CLEAR HEAD, not cussing out your opposition. That gets people nowhere and makes the other party only want to fight back harder, making the stream seem like some COD battle between a bunch of chronically online gamers.
Gotta be honest, I think everyone in that voice call was literally insufferable and I'm glad I don't know a single one of them. Just a slew of slurs and unnecessary arguing for the sake of feeling superior, ain't a good look at all imho.
They're all biting time because they're all sickos or at the very least know a couple of sickos they're defending under wraps because friendship. The way they exaggerate their anger and pretend to sound disgusted is amazing. Truly a grand performance.
Getting involved in any capacity with people that are involved in drama is just asking for trouble. Reporting on what is going on can be really helpful. But trying to do any sleuthing yourself runs a very high risk of things going very badly. Especially if you can't just admit when you fuck up and take the L with dignity. Nobody ever won people back by going full asshole mode when they get called out on mistakes.
I feel like a lot of commentary/rant channels really start developing a savior complex frequently. This is not to say all, but many. They think they are equal to law enforcement, and that they are the saving grace to every situation. Especially with young channels. They develop this sense of needing to police everyone rather than let proper authorities handle things, and I while I do agree bad behavior should be called out, to create and entire alleged “operation” to “expose” someone on already known information is a bit far fetched of a story on his part. These people start viewing themselves as the internet police that MUST give a take on every situation. THEN, they refuse accountability when they slip up because surprise, they are just someone and the internet and not trained law enforcement. So it devolves into irresponsible insulting because both sides just simply can not agree, regardless of who is in the right. That’s what I think is wrong with the community. Just my two cents though.
It’s the story that’s a trope at this point. Boy goes undercover, falls for girl and then there’s the whole “at first it was just a job, but then I fell in love” 😅
i don't keep up with drama in this community truly whatsoever. i'm sorry about your former friend. ...but i never understand why people do these "interview" livestreams with 8+ extra people there able to chime in whenever, when they are ALL against one specific person. i don't understand how the person brought into the interview is ever supposed to defend themselves when others can LITERALLY just start screaming over them.
I really hope people see this because I think this is a really interesting thought I've had and would like foe people to discuss their thoughts about it too. I had a random thought while watching the video and it made me realize something…I think that a good majority of people who discuss about these have blood on their hands too. I’m at 12:16, the part where Lago talks about his badly worded stated opinion on Cas. I was joking to myself saying “WeLl WhAt HaS cAs DoNe Hm??? WhY iSn’T hE iNvEsTiGaTeD???”. After saying that to myself I realized “whoa. Here I am questioning Cas’s possible misdeeds when me myself has done stuff too”. Lovely Coyote, called out and exposed problematic people, yet, he has partaken in suspicious activities too. Lago here admits it himself that he also tried something similar, when he was 19, with Zoos and Lago also discusses about problematic people. Then I looked back to myself. I also wish for problematic people to be called out, yet, I’m a MINOR, not even 18, and I’ve sinned too. So maybe it’s common for people in this line of work to have also committed their own misdeeds, wether they be the same or related. Maybe that’s why do it in the first place? As a way to make amends or because of a strange fascination they have of calling out something they've interacted with before. I really hope people see this because I think this is a really interesting thought I've had and would like foe people to discuss their thoughts about it too.
This is just reality. Not saying what coyote lovely has done is right but tbh the content here just sounds way more like a pissed ex friend than any kind of "outing deplorable behavior" and I imagine the guy will come back and most of it will have blown over while others still yell as if they're so unforgivable. That's the hive mind or this fandom though sadly.
If I got this right, IMO the Furski thing is overblown. Sounds like there's reasons the report may not have gone through, and I don't see what possible reason he'd have to lie about it. So I'd give the benefit of the doubt. Yet Furski immediately throws him under the bus. Then she's brought on stream, despite his protest, for a subject that went nowhere just as expected. And when she goes after Coyote for something that may or may not be true with an overly sarcastic rant, it's somehow a surprise that he doesn't take that very well.
I like how I literally resubbed to coyotes account and then questioned whether or not there was controversy cause I couldn't remember and then this video gets posted lol 😂
I find it hard to really trust anybody involved with doing gay ops. It's far too easy of an out to just go "It's just an op guys! I didn't say and do all those things seriously haha"
As a person born and raised in the south, the accents of some of these guys in the Discord calls are so grating 😬 It's so hard to take this... hard hitting.... investigation... whatever... seriously when it comes out sounding like that.
There’s something so lovely about watching a drama video on any topic and hearing the word “‘sperg” or “internet autism” or the likes, cuz you just know it’s not a compliment. It’s either a “these people are socially inept” or “these people are pathetically obsessed with something”. It’s a bit of a slap in the face, because it’s always implied that “acting like an autistic person” is bad in some way. Well, sorry to exist, I suppose?
I swear, hearing about furry drama from someone who's only kinda in the fandom off and on is like watching a damn reality show or soap opera. Think of the weirdest incident that could ever happen in the community on the internet and chances are, it probably happened. Even more insane when the incidents involve someone a good furry considered a friend. That whole thing must've been really stressful on your end, I don't blame you for losing it and deleting the discord server, that kind of stress can really affect you.
Wow! Thanks for discussing this on your channel! I also appreciate the lack of use of the “r-slur“ when referring to moronic individuals and the ploy that was executed by Coyote himself 😂 I do enjoy the straightforwardness of your content, I think it’s more of the personal connection that you may feel with creators who go off on their own tangents before getting to the point that others like. It’s all up to personal preference at the end of the day. It was really disappointing to see Coyote fall down this path. He expressed in his Zrcalo video that he was fearful of zoophiles preying on him to the point where he turned or began to indulge in zoophilic tendencies. If this was a case which he was aware of, in no way should he have engaged with Sappho and other predators period. It seems like he was trying to explore himself more than it was to actually gain information. It’s sick. And I just don’t believe he made the report personally based on his tone when he discusses the situation and the way he tries to avoid it. Even when he speaks of it in the past tense, he should jump immediately onto that he did file it. Not make excuses, call the person in question a bitch, and then say, “oh but I did file it” - seems suspicious, at least, to me.
Fucking yeeeesh... a nasty situation. I seriously do not like bloodsports or that edgy slur-slinging shit, this was a rough watch regardless of what was obviously right.
When Coyote basically started going off at them when he got caught in his lies and his actions, which made my heart started racing from feeling pure anger, Hes dug a bigger hole when he started insulting them during the stream and telling them to off themselves when he got caught red handed.
I used to watch coyote lovely content and enjoyed hearing the dark side of the fandom since I have come across these dark side when I first joined the fandom at a young age, but now knowing coyote is involved with people he has talked to and it's unnerving especially since I looked up to him but now I lost all that
Im somewhat surprised you didn’t mention the lio stream, judging by your twitter it was certainly a big deal for you, and its also the finale to this story
For YEARS. I kept on saying no matter how you explain yourself regardless if you were out for justice. Or wanting to do an reconnaissance mission with the enemy and get close for answers. Heck even if you're just unironically remotely within the same community as a questionable person. 9/10 you'll get hit with "Guilty by association" And then Cancel Cultured out. People who know better are aware of this. People who don't know better. Play pretend and get too involved. Making them look just as bad if not worse than the person they're trying to get information from. If you know someone or have a hunch that someone is doing something that doesn't seem morally correct. End that friendship and go find and or make other friends. You don't need to cause a scene. Just move on and don't look back. I've ended a few platonic relationships (Friendships) for various toxic reasons. Unrelated to myself. Months later they got caught with their pants down sort of speak. And anyone who befriended that person was also getting backlash for just sharing "Certain DMs" which ended up backfiring. The moral of the story is to stop and think about the interactions and the friends you have in your circle and decide if their toxicity if any that is. Is worth all the trouble to befriend once the train derails. Because if that happens. Anyone on that train is going to get hurt too.
I know how you feel conflicted about cutting off your friend, I recently had to do the same, and that person was my (now ex, obviously) girlfriend who got outed as being a pedo and having been in a relationship with a minor. It was really difficult since i really loved her but i just couldnt look past what she had done and it disgusted me so fucking much..
Good LORD I am just entirely fed up with how these guys throw around slurs like they’re commas in a run-on sentence. Yeah they may be presenting information about people who do need to get offline and/or need to be “exposed” (for a lack of a better word) to prevent them from getting into spaces where they can harm more people. But slinging slurs and random ableism doesn’t make you look smarter it makes you look like a middle schooler good god someone get these people a real life.
Kiwifarms thread... if he had been smart, he would have just kept his mouth shut since, you know the site that got dumped because it couldn't act normal itself, isn't the BEST source of anything.
Y'know what they say, if it defends the zoo's, tells you to be sympathetic to the zoo's, and then "pretends" to want to do it with the zoo's on multiple occasions...
Legit, this is a big reason I do not make many friends within the fandom. Nor do I really want to go to cons. At first I was excited, then let down by all the z00s that are hidden within the fandom. 😪😥
Shame. It was cuz of him that I was aware of some individuals in the fandom to give a wide berth. To see him fall like this, is a slight shock to me. I don't know him personally, nor ever spoke to him in either forms, but I still feel sad that another content creator like him turned bad so quick.
I love that coyote thought of himself as the furry metokur. Forgetting these key details, one metokur HATES furries. Two jim has said time and time again he DOESN'T do ops. He sits back and laughs at r tards on the internet.
i feel like the stream was poorly handle and could have done a lot better, as i have seen many times from the clips. ether they bomb shell hoping to get a point to land or they try to be little him. heck i can't even take the stream as a true side seeing how they ran it. if anything the only damning thing to coyote did can even be pointed to how fast this was all taken. hell be damned but the last i checked if you are going to look into someone you don't do mob like attacks as any proof you have are now void by even the cops, hell it makes a lot of proof void in the end as the proof could even have bad leeds. and if i heard right that their was are cops in the server that is owned by the host. they should have told them that this stream was a bad idea from the start and the way they did all of this just makes me wonder why do this stream at all. n the end i feel as if this stream didn't make coyote look bad, it made those who attacked him look like the bad guys here since the way this was done was not well set up.
I swear furry drama is more entertaining and complex than most modern shows.
I'm about to use AI to just start making up shit. Sounds like a great rest to abuse this system that exists within the furry fandom
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I’m quite intrigued. It’s like a comic book where there are all these larger than life characters. Many are actual villains. Then the heroes fall and become the villains. It’s like a soap opera.
Hoping furry drama has a longer shelf life. But the adhd addled population is not helping
I'm an outsider hovering since the Spoctor Drama (the first one). The overlap with the cc and art community put soap operas to fucking shame
I think most furries and regular people think zoo's (and pedos for that matter) are the scum of the earth. It's so sad how they think they have any right to call our fandom home :(
We do. But there's also a lot of sympathizers for em too sadly. I don't know how anyone can defend that shit. In the time I've been in the fandom, I've really come to my own conclusion that a lot of furries see good in people when.. there really isn't any good in there at all, and any "good" they do is really just a facade for something way more malicious
Good point there!
@@ArlauxWitchdog “loving” on a dog? I wouldn’t put it that way. that’s not love
@@jpmac97 Easy: you just take distance to your personal feelings and focus on evidence instead.
And what bothers me more than zoos and pedos are people who're trying to dictate to me how to feel about things.
@@birdyinabox more like pure evil
I am not even a furry but ive been invested in your furry drama coverage for a while now
same, furry drama is crazy bro its so interesting
@@saturnichaze I am in too deep now
Furry drama is always or funny or the most fucked up thing imaginable
it's like finding a secret society and quietly listening to their conversations from time to time
@@sim5090 THAT ONE WHERE THE GUY HAD A FETISH ON JERKING OFF ON FOOD AND INVITING 10 PEOPLE TO JERK OFF ON PIZZA AT A FURRY CONVENTION THAT RESULTED IN A VIDEO OF THEM AWOOING WHILE DOING IT, THE ALLEGED JERKED OFF PIZZA BEING FOUND AND HIM BEING BANNED FROM THE CONV WILL ALWAYS BE MY FAVORITE LMAOOOOOOO
the way coyote calls the victim a bitch and tells them off makes me sick as a victim of grooming myself. imagine trying to act like someone's savior in such a traumatizing and horrible situation and then turning around to insult them and call them annoying. it's already hard enough on its own.
prepare the gas chamber!
The worst part of this is, is that while Coyote was flirting and getting his rocks off to Sappho he knew she was in contact with a 14 year old who she was grooming. He knew because she was very open about how she was having art done for her and the 14 year old. He saw the art. Coyote then just...didn't do a thing. He never tried to get help for the victim or even pass on that information, he just let it happen.
Im so disappointed in him, I loved the work that he did and the videos he made but he's proven himself to be a wolf (or coyote in this case) in sheeps clothing💔
Unnecessary joke
@@Mai.Calico i know, but I dont respect coyote enough to care-
@@Mamazephis Me neither.
Guess he was counting sheep for different reasons.
@Fake Furry i am, i am very surprised.
This was a complete 180 to how he originally acted
The bloodsport community has "I'm not a bitch, I'm just honest" energy.
Problem comes when the honesty part is used disingenuously and people instead play up a persona to get under someone's skin rather then, well, focusing on the pure honest truth and doing their best to leave the greatest negative impact on people who deserve it
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Honestly? Not surprised he got caught doing this type of shit. Why do the people that hunt and call out bad people often turn out to be bad people themselves lol? It's a weird phenomenon that I've been noticing.
Edit: We can add Lio and Peaches here too
the fame of being a "zoo hunter" and a "hero" sometimes, very often, gets to people's heads
one word,attention
Because they think. “If I constantly say how much I hate these people, no one will suspect me of doing it myself”
Classic Projection
I wondered this with Vida too. He was a "child predator hunter" but ended up being a child predator himself. Coincidentally he also used to be affiliated with The Senate.
It's like what Nietszchie said, and I'm paraphrasing here: "Be cautious with fighting monsters lest you become one, and when you gaze into the abyss, it'll look back into you."
Lovelycoyote went full "primal primitivist." He got to invested in his gay op: he went rogue. You could even say it went full on dances with coyotes. *(Seinfeld theme)*
*studio audience laugh track*
"Funny guy, right here!"
*Plane explodes*
I've said this multiple times and I'll say it here:
This whole thing was handled POORLY. We're talking major incompetence from multiple entities. Victims were never given their due justice, even after they shared their stories, because people kept tripping over themselves to be the one to sink the ship. Cas can conduct himself in a much better manner, I've seen him do it in other instances. I understand it's a friend and it amounts to betrayal and it hurts, but the VICTIMS and the TRUTH come first rather than a screaming shitshow.
This doesn't excuse what Coyote did, as he completely failed to take accountability for his actions and put others, including victims, at risk. He also brushed this off as if it would disappear into thin air. As someone who knew him for a short period of time, it is painful to see this happen, but it was necessary. However, moving forward, the thing we need to take away is that propping a situation like this for any type of gain other than raising awareness/justice is not acceptable. Victims and Justice first, other things second.
I think this definitely proves it's easier said than done when it comes to cutting people off after something they did was heinous. The commentary community has always been pretty gloomy to fully dive into and this situation definitely made it even more so. I'm glad you were able to finally talk about the situation and give your personal opinion on it. It can be tough handling something like this mentally when someone you consider close is in that spotlight to be shamed, and it's definitely important to note that it's easier said than done when it comes to cutting people off you consider close friends. I do hope you'll be able to continue building up your own mental health as you move on from all this bull shit.
The thing is. Coyote knew most of these creators and they all hyped up and readied videos to bash coyote as a snake move. This isn't a moving on thing for lagovirt, this is a coordinated execution of a weirdo who kiwifarms users were popping off about.
Their is no TH-cam community with more chronic backstabbing disorder than the commentary community…and that’s including the fucking makeup community.
I recently removed myself from a community of really toxic people, I was so desperate for some sort of community I settled for staying in a toxic community
jesus fucking christ what fascinates me about the internet and just furries in general is how much of a crab bucket mentality there is and the abusrd amount of drama each person trying to throw the other under the bus for the sake of clout fame and attention but how much skeletons and monsters lurk in there closet as well so much so that its hard to tell either or not your talking to a human being or the next ted bundy or john wayne gacy
The stream seemed so pointless. They sounded like a bunch of middle school children. If I wanted to listen to a bunch of incoherent insults, I'd play cod. I understand it was so no script was involved, and it was supposed to be "real," but it just ended up reminding me about those furry cringe comps lmao.
The fact they called the server " the senate" and everyone sounds like a child in there, tells me they need to get hell out more. God damn xD
lagovirt is the only one that sounds like he reached the age of drinking.
Its not surprising
ooh its ironic whats happened with that *now*
If you only knew...actually. probably better not to. Lol
they're like real life politicians!
It's always a good day when Virt uploads again
Amen to that
@TonyHinshaw1992 I dunno about making everyone smile, but he is entertaining
the thing i didn't like about cas' stream was he let other people just yell and scream at Kyle when it would've been better imo to do a 1 on 1 with him and bring people in one by one to question them. i dont like the larp on either ends either.
THANK YOU!
The insults just made it more cringe
Coyote used to do the same thing to random ppl when it comes to public shaming,
Yeah, most of them just interrupted the discussion. Don't know why Cas considered them all so relevant that they HAVE to be on stream and a reschedule without them is not possible.
I think frisky and pizza (sorry if misspell) were the only extra persons who actually added something.
Maybe it's just me being an adult, but prefer debates being clear cut
Exactly!
It's good Coyote was called out, but another thing that irked me was Cas basically saying that Lio, Peaches, etc (basically everyone that just so happened to be in a server with Coyote) were just as guilty for not knowing what he was doing every second of every day, and considering them compliant for not having a call out post on it .05 seconds after the news came to light.
Basically expected them to be Coyote's keeper, which is asinine.
@@neonbat666 HI YES!!! That genuinely pissed me off so bad too!! Along with Cas’s ramblings abt his community and how it gets treated when like,, the easiest way to solve that is to FOCUS on improving your community, not burning all the others around you and starting some dumbass spaz war. Cas blaming Lio was entirely uncalled for IMO. Don’t go around condemning ppl for the Crime of not knowing what their friends are doing behind their backs. It’s absolutely stupid and ridiculous.
After having to cut my own brother out of my life over abusive/manipulative behavior, I know how hard it is to distance from someone you care about. Their actions may have caused irreparable damage to one's family/community, but there's still that shred of empathy and compassion for them as you remember the good things they did. It's never easy having to make a decision like that, and I completely understand and empathize with your situation with Lovely. Sorry it had to be this way, and I wish the best for everyone involved here.
I remember I had fun talking with him and some other people in the late night voice chats, even though I always got this weird vibe from him. I just chalked it up to me feeling some kind of random paranoia. It sucks that feeling was right.
same. i was subscribed because of his videos but i always got a weird feeling too, however i always think im gaslighting myself in some way. half of the times im always right about the feeling...
Hindsight and perception really change a lot of things, along with confirmation bias.
He was always an asshat. Also condoned the use of hard racial slurs in his server back ro back soooo
During Coyotes video on Sapho he would expressly shut down any flirting from her but now it's revealed he flirted with her.
9:55 welcome to another episode of boundary break where we can take the camera basically anywhere we want
I remeber having to sit through Cas' stream because it was the only thing covering what was going on regarding Yote's Twitter. Needless to say it was...a chore to sit through. The cringe acting, chest-beating, whatever you called that mess. It really distracted from the issue at hand.
I always got the vibes from his videos that he was very confident in himself... like *too* confident. I kinda had this impending sense that it would blow up in his face one day. Just didn't think it would be centered around fake flirting with a zoo 💀.
I hope you and your friends can find closure and healing together, Lago
he really has to dramatize everything that happens and make it into a feature length film that stars him
he has go make everything so theatrical and its so god damn annoying 😭
bro you aren't sherlock holmes you're a 30 year old furry named kyle
It's just really unfortunate what happened with Coyote. He fell back on the defense that he's just a troll and not a "hero" when that's just not how it works. Man idolized Metokur, a guy well known for getting deep into situations because he was more than just a troll. He treated "degenerates" like zoo exhibits but he also stopped and spread word about legit creeps. Coyote tried too hard to do the same and it cost him his dignity trying to make everything an op
Well said! That's very good distinction lol- calling someone a bitch and hounding because they don't like them as opposed to calling someone a bitch and hounding them because they're a degenerate.
lmao zoo exhibits, I see what ya did there
@@strawbbtarte and you too, I actually can't tell if y'alls puns are deliberate
"War may start when you may, but it doesn't end when you please"
If you want to step outside of your lane to do something, what happens happens. However, you can't backtrack when you screw up and claim you have no responsibility. You're either a commentator investigating criminal activity, or a drama troll talking about ongoing issues. You can't flip-flop.
Yup he thinks he's the furry metokur. Forgetting the fact that if your a furry your automatically not jim and two only jim can be jim. Ive never seen anyone else thats not jim able to do what he does.
Tip people, to keep yourself from becoming part of the pattern, don't get directly involved with the offender, don't view any content related to it, just take the news, spread it, or file an anonymous report explaining the situation, and only providing evidence, if for yourself, it is not explicit to do so, I.e send the docs and links, don't view anything in it, you are not the investigator, there's a reason professionals examine the information, I always kept my distance and passed the information on, never delved too deep in it, thankfully its benefited me mentally, thats how you avoid the pattern.
"it was press your luck with a whammy on every space but one" is easily the best analogy I've ever heard for someone fucking around and finding out
So at the end of the stream i do believe they branded coyote a "niglet...which is a racial slur...." wow....im honestly not suprised, they were acting like edgy 13 year olds the whole stream.
When I use to be friends with Coyote, he requested me to make him a 3d model texture and to make 3d art of him being sat on by macros. I still have the images. Tempted to share it with the world but not sure on what to do.
@@oneandonlysound3453 only pedo defenders would say that
Literally no one wants to see that and it adds nothing to the conversation at hand. And if you did choose to post them you're just adding nothing of worth
Edit: and I saw your "whatever you say pedo defender" and you're the one trying to share his fetish art
@@xXtrial_and_errorXx whatever you say pedo defender
no, god no what the fuck no nobody wants that what the hell
I do like to occasionally catch a cas stream, but his dog piling and wanting to make snarky jokes can get old quick. I want the facts not this persona he tries to construct.
Of course there are people who do enjoy that style and more power to them.
9:54 feet revealed, the prophecy fulfilled
unironically thabk you for the jumpscare warning for the sappho rp that was genuinley terrifying 😨😨😨
maybe im misreading the situation but questioning whether or not the three of you were in a poly relationship seems so.... nosy?? lame??? a contrived way to rope you into drama you were sort of on the cusp of to begin with? i already didn't have much interest in coyote's side of furry drama coverage but not a big fan off how cas handled this either
either way - as someone who awhile ago also had to cut a friend off for bedding with a zoo, it does get better - and i wish you the best!
the thread coming out a day after my birthday and two days after i had a townwide power outage means i have a very stupid and very fascinated interest in this whole shebang. absolutely wild
I wish I had the mentality of being able to derive entertainment from them arguing but ugh that stream hurts my head.
I so respect that you only make claims with evidence, and love your channel. But I'm worried about you! I suffer from depression and know what it's like. I'm here for you however I can be.
i dont even interact in the furry fandom anymore but furry drama is so wild it's entertaining omfg 💀
I'll never forget making a comment about how ironic it was that he used ShiOkami to narrate as part of one of his Sappho videos, given Shi gave Lucky DHC (also another INFAMOUS zoophile and predator) a platform to speak instead of the victims. He got really pissy about that.
I honestly never was invested in coyote and him associating with zcarlo set my doubts early on. Then the twitter slapfight fiasco happened over simply wanting questions and made me realize something more was going on.
LagoVirt and CoyoteLovely in the same video? wow talk about worlds colliding!
unfortunately its yote being outed as a zoo, or at least very "involved" with them
but you probably figured that out
What is this? a crossover episode?
more like imploding
That stream full of "detectives" is really the most cringe shit I swear to god.
Like yall....
WHOS FUCKIN BABY IS THIS?
37:14
Why are KIDS IN THIS CALL?
NGL the shit a bunch of these people were spewing “just cuz” made the stream hard to watch. I genuinely feel so bad for Furski but being a victim shouldn’t excuse you from being a *bit* of an asshole. What Coyote did was fucked up yes, but you have to come at these issues with a CLEAR HEAD, not cussing out your opposition. That gets people nowhere and makes the other party only want to fight back harder, making the stream seem like some COD battle between a bunch of chronically online gamers.
@@thatomnivoreteacher6869 No literally. They're talking like COD lobby children.
Gotta be honest, I think everyone in that voice call was literally insufferable and I'm glad I don't know a single one of them. Just a slew of slurs and unnecessary arguing for the sake of feeling superior, ain't a good look at all imho.
Majority of them are terminally online
They're all biting time because they're all sickos or at the very least know a couple of sickos they're defending under wraps because friendship. The way they exaggerate their anger and pretend to sound disgusted is amazing. Truly a grand performance.
There is some crazy drama here, and I have been in the fandom for many years.
That op sounds like coyote had a sexual fantasy and Sappho was the easiest way to fulfill that
I'm already 4 minutes into the video. And I hear sappho's Name being brought up all of a sudden I can feel my brain cells dying
Well, never mind. I just watch 30 seconds into the video.
Now, I think all of my brain cells are dead
Getting involved in any capacity with people that are involved in drama is just asking for trouble. Reporting on what is going on can be really helpful. But trying to do any sleuthing yourself runs a very high risk of things going very badly. Especially if you can't just admit when you fuck up and take the L with dignity. Nobody ever won people back by going full asshole mode when they get called out on mistakes.
I feel like a lot of commentary/rant channels really start developing a savior complex frequently. This is not to say all, but many. They think they are equal to law enforcement, and that they are the saving grace to every situation. Especially with young channels. They develop this sense of needing to police everyone rather than let proper authorities handle things, and I while I do agree bad behavior should be called out, to create and entire alleged “operation” to “expose” someone on already known information is a bit far fetched of a story on his part. These people start viewing themselves as the internet police that MUST give a take on every situation. THEN, they refuse accountability when they slip up because surprise, they are just someone and the internet and not trained law enforcement. So it devolves into irresponsible insulting because both sides just simply can not agree, regardless of who is in the right. That’s what I think is wrong with the community. Just my two cents though.
It’s the story that’s a trope at this point. Boy goes undercover, falls for girl and then there’s the whole “at first it was just a job, but then I fell in love” 😅
I can’t believe that a lago video is how I learned kiwifarms is back
Trust me, it only gets harder to boot people the closer they are to you.
The whole stream was like a buffer against my skin, dear lord the drama😅
i don't keep up with drama in this community truly whatsoever. i'm sorry about your former friend.
...but i never understand why people do these "interview" livestreams with 8+ extra people there able to chime in whenever, when they are ALL against one specific person. i don't understand how the person brought into the interview is ever supposed to defend themselves when others can LITERALLY just start screaming over them.
I really hope people see this because I think this is a really interesting thought I've had and would like foe people to discuss their thoughts about it too.
I had a random thought while watching the video and it made me realize something…I think that a good majority of people who discuss about these have blood on their hands too.
I’m at 12:16, the part where Lago talks about his badly worded stated opinion on Cas. I was joking to myself saying “WeLl WhAt HaS cAs DoNe Hm??? WhY iSn’T hE iNvEsTiGaTeD???”.
After saying that to myself I realized “whoa. Here I am questioning Cas’s possible misdeeds when me myself has done stuff too”.
Lovely Coyote, called out and exposed problematic people, yet, he has partaken in suspicious activities too. Lago here admits it himself that he also tried something similar, when he was 19, with Zoos and Lago also discusses about problematic people. Then I looked back to myself. I also wish for problematic people to be called out, yet, I’m a MINOR, not even 18, and I’ve sinned too.
So maybe it’s common for people in this line of work to have also committed their own misdeeds, wether they be the same or related. Maybe that’s why do it in the first place? As a way to make amends or because of a strange fascination they have of calling out something they've interacted with before.
I really hope people see this because I think this is a really interesting thought I've had and would like foe people to discuss their thoughts about it too.
This is just reality. Not saying what coyote lovely has done is right but tbh the content here just sounds way more like a pissed ex friend than any kind of "outing deplorable behavior" and I imagine the guy will come back and most of it will have blown over while others still yell as if they're so unforgivable. That's the hive mind or this fandom though sadly.
If I got this right, IMO the Furski thing is overblown.
Sounds like there's reasons the report may not have gone through, and I don't see what possible reason he'd have to lie about it.
So I'd give the benefit of the doubt.
Yet Furski immediately throws him under the bus.
Then she's brought on stream, despite his protest, for a subject that went nowhere just as expected.
And when she goes after Coyote for something that may or may not be true with an overly sarcastic rant, it's somehow a surprise that he doesn't take that very well.
You die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain
I like how I literally resubbed to coyotes account and then questioned whether or not there was controversy cause I couldn't remember and then this video gets posted lol 😂
I suppose he flew too close to the zoophiles... like Icarus flying too close to the sun.
It's like a Mexican soap opera in our community 😊
I find it hard to really trust anybody involved with doing gay ops. It's far too easy of an out to just go "It's just an op guys! I didn't say and do all those things seriously haha"
I thought Coyote wasn't a fan of hypnotism. See what happens when you mess with a temptress for too long?
As a person born and raised in the south, the accents of some of these guys in the Discord calls are so grating 😬 It's so hard to take this... hard hitting.... investigation... whatever... seriously when it comes out sounding like that.
as an autistic member of the fandom i am s fucking tired of hearing slurs for who i am every day constantly
There’s something so lovely about watching a drama video on any topic and hearing the word “‘sperg” or “internet autism” or the likes, cuz you just know it’s not a compliment. It’s either a “these people are socially inept” or “these people are pathetically obsessed with something”. It’s a bit of a slap in the face, because it’s always implied that “acting like an autistic person” is bad in some way. Well, sorry to exist, I suppose?
THANK YOU I always hated how obsessed they are with the r slur…
Glad I'm not the only one who was uncomfortable with the amount of slurs these edgelords slinged around
Hey I'm a fellow autist, and I think you are a R3T4RD :)
Love the r slur
I swear, hearing about furry drama from someone who's only kinda in the fandom off and on is like watching a damn reality show or soap opera. Think of the weirdest incident that could ever happen in the community on the internet and chances are, it probably happened. Even more insane when the incidents involve someone a good furry considered a friend. That whole thing must've been really stressful on your end, I don't blame you for losing it and deleting the discord server, that kind of stress can really affect you.
Wow! Thanks for discussing this on your channel! I also appreciate the lack of use of the “r-slur“ when referring to moronic individuals and the ploy that was executed by Coyote himself 😂 I do enjoy the straightforwardness of your content, I think it’s more of the personal connection that you may feel with creators who go off on their own tangents before getting to the point that others like. It’s all up to personal preference at the end of the day.
It was really disappointing to see Coyote fall down this path. He expressed in his Zrcalo video that he was fearful of zoophiles preying on him to the point where he turned or began to indulge in zoophilic tendencies. If this was a case which he was aware of, in no way should he have engaged with Sappho and other predators period. It seems like he was trying to explore himself more than it was to actually gain information. It’s sick. And I just don’t believe he made the report personally based on his tone when he discusses the situation and the way he tries to avoid it. Even when he speaks of it in the past tense, he should jump immediately onto that he did file it. Not make excuses, call the person in question a bitch, and then say, “oh but I did file it” - seems suspicious, at least, to me.
Jesus crisp, I never wanna hear the ter "chest fluffies" again. I have been scarred. I wish I were joking.
Fucking yeeeesh... a nasty situation. I seriously do not like bloodsports or that edgy slur-slinging shit, this was a rough watch regardless of what was obviously right.
When Coyote basically started going off at them when he got caught in his lies and his actions, which made my heart started racing from feeling pure anger, Hes dug a bigger hole when he started insulting them during the stream and telling them to off themselves when he got caught red handed.
Haven't been in the fandom for years but still here for the tea. Bunnies rule
coyote and cas are both pretty insufferable in this whole thing lol
Agreed XD
Bruh I got myself into some drama with a SoCal fur accused of being a zoo and honestly it would be worth a video in itself lmao
This is why I no longer trust 99.9% of the fandom.
i totally didnt click this fully expecting a rainworld stream to expose someone
I used to watch coyote lovely content and enjoyed hearing the dark side of the fandom since I have come across these dark side when I first joined the fandom at a young age, but now knowing coyote is involved with people he has talked to and it's unnerving especially since I looked up to him but now I lost all that
i don't normally watch furry stuff... but your voice is just soothing.
Its like watching an irl soap opera
Im somewhat surprised you didn’t mention the lio stream, judging by your twitter it was certainly a big deal for you, and its also the finale to this story
Im not even a furry but the tendency of our species to cause all this drama blows my mind everytime
Played stupid games, won stupid prizes.
For YEARS. I kept on saying no matter how you explain yourself regardless if you were out for justice. Or wanting to do an reconnaissance mission with the enemy and get close for answers.
Heck even if you're just unironically remotely within the same community as a questionable person. 9/10 you'll get hit with "Guilty by association" And then Cancel Cultured out.
People who know better are aware of this. People who don't know better. Play pretend and get too involved. Making them look just as bad if not worse than the person they're trying to get information from.
If you know someone or have a hunch that someone is doing something that doesn't seem morally correct. End that friendship and go find and or make other friends. You don't need to cause a scene. Just move on and don't look back.
I've ended a few platonic relationships (Friendships) for various toxic reasons. Unrelated to myself. Months later they got caught with their pants down sort of speak. And anyone who befriended that person was also getting backlash for just sharing "Certain DMs" which ended up backfiring.
The moral of the story is to stop and think about the interactions and the friends you have in your circle and decide if their toxicity if any that is. Is worth all the trouble to befriend once the train derails. Because if that happens. Anyone on that train is going to get hurt too.
I know how you feel conflicted about cutting off your friend, I recently had to do the same, and that person was my (now ex, obviously) girlfriend who got outed as being a pedo and having been in a relationship with a minor. It was really difficult since i really loved her but i just couldnt look past what she had done and it disgusted me so fucking much..
Good LORD I am just entirely fed up with how these guys throw around slurs like they’re commas in a run-on sentence. Yeah they may be presenting information about people who do need to get offline and/or need to be “exposed” (for a lack of a better word) to prevent them from getting into spaces where they can harm more people. But slinging slurs and random ableism doesn’t make you look smarter it makes you look like a middle schooler good god someone get these people a real life.
Ah, yeah I did that thing you talked about where I got so paranoid I left all my friends, so I get where you're coming from
Dude, I only found about this weeks ago by complete accident!
Ahh Tunic, that takes me back to my youth.
Kiwifarms thread... if he had been smart, he would have just kept his mouth shut since, you know the site that got dumped because it couldn't act normal itself, isn't the BEST source of anything.
Jesus what he said to furski is awful
I know. It's absolutely awful.
A lot of people in your shoes would've just quietly swept this under the rug after cutting all ties. I can appreciate the transparency.
Another case where "every side is awful." In other words, the sky is blue.
Disappointed but by no means surprised. I feel for the people who once called him friend.
Y'know what they say, if it defends the zoo's, tells you to be sympathetic to the zoo's, and then "pretends" to want to do it with the zoo's on multiple occasions...
There's so much "zoo sympathizers" in the furry fandom it's disgusting.
Legit, this is a big reason I do not make many friends within the fandom. Nor do I really want to go to cons. At first I was excited, then let down by all the z00s that are hidden within the fandom. 😪😥
this furry drama stuff is fucking insane yet very entertaining
Shame. It was cuz of him that I was aware of some individuals in the fandom to give a wide berth. To see him fall like this, is a slight shock to me. I don't know him personally, nor ever spoke to him in either forms, but I still feel sad that another content creator like him turned bad so quick.
I love that coyote thought of himself as the furry metokur. Forgetting these key details, one metokur HATES furries. Two jim has said time and time again he DOESN'T do ops. He sits back and laughs at r tards on the internet.
It really is disappointing. Coyote seemed like such a cool guy.
…..he was dating Zarcalo…..🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
i feel like the stream was poorly handle and could have done a lot better, as i have seen many times from the clips. ether they bomb shell hoping to get a point to land or they try to be little him. heck i can't even take the stream as a true side seeing how they ran it. if anything the only damning thing to coyote did can even be pointed to how fast this was all taken. hell be damned but the last i checked if you are going to look into someone you don't do mob like attacks as any proof you have are now void by even the cops, hell it makes a lot of proof void in the end as the proof could even have bad leeds. and if i heard right that their was are cops in the server that is owned by the host. they should have told them that this stream was a bad idea from the start and the way they did all of this just makes me wonder why do this stream at all. n the end i feel as if this stream didn't make coyote look bad, it made those who attacked him look like the bad guys here since the way this was done was not well set up.
Drama & Rumors are the tools of Bullies .
Estoy aburrido
Furry drama: *Estabas mi vida* 💅🍿🥤
im so glad that someone is finally talking about this. i was afraid that people wouldnt want to cover coyote lovelys misdeeds because of his platform.
Hey lads, looks like Benji's back with another banger of a video!
The bespectacled bunny has posted, we have been blessed
He went on that discord call and just made enemies...
Man the world is fucked............!