To have someone consistently be the maker of their own downfall and direct their anger towards people that critiqued them is something that frustrates me. I’ve been put through hell and back simply for talking about him all the way back when I was 16 when I got hit with my first dox attempt because of him. Being 18 when he got that unconsensual art of me made. It puts into perspective how much of a genuine mental strain me and others underwent in two years. He’s recently apologized and I’m really mixed. On one hand after everything he’s put me through with 5 copyright strikes and other unsavory things that crossed many boundaries, I don’t see it in me to forget. Yet I’m open to seeing whether he finally had some sense knocked into him, or if this behavior will continue and the cycle will renew. Only time could tell. The internet won’t forget his actions, I certainly won’t. Yet I’m willing to open up to the idea that he finally learned. And it’s an idea that he better not blow like he has in the past. He’s what sucked a lot of joy out of me. And I’m starting that healing process myself of what I’ve went through. I could only hope this is the last time I ever have to hear from him again. Thank you for this video.
Proof of change matters far more than simple words. At the end of the day, it's up to you to decide if he's truly made amends. Don't let him bully or manipulate you into accepting his apology, let it be something you fully accept on your own.
I’ve made the mistake of trying to give a known slur slinging transphobe a second chance and it bit me in my ass. Not saying people can’t change, but most people don’t, especially when they display destructive behaviors like that. I don’t blame you for being forgiving, because I am very much a forgiving person, but eventually you’ll learn who deserves your kindness and respect over others who don’t.
From one victim of such horrific cybercrime to another, I am so sorry you and everyone involved (barring the abusers/perps of course). You went through a hell no one should. Dander's behaviour is EERIELY similar to my former abusers', down to nonconsensual artwork being made of me (a known C/SA & near-trafficking survivor 🙃), doxxing, alt accounts, etc. Hell, even the zoo/PDF-adjacency is nearly the exact same. From my experiences with this ilk, they are repeat offenders who will only apologize to get enough time/trust to hurt again (and make you reluctant to report them for their crimes!!!). Please keep yourself safe and away from him. Abusers *want* you back in the trenches with them, let alone you seemingly being on their side again- even if you aren't- so that, when they DO do something bad once more, they can rely on you as the forgiveness scapegoat (i.e "But look, they forgave me and gave me another chance, so should you!"). As I've learned in my own trauma recovery, you are not required to accept any apologies from someone who'd rather see you suffering, or worse. Anybody who pressures you to is incredibly suspect, especially if it's from someone who has an investment of some kind in them. However, as it is every survivor's choice and right, I will likewise not pressure you to deny his apology. I can, and will, however, advise that you don't accept it, and that you block him ASAP. You deserve peace, love, and recovery away from people like him and his. Wishing you all the best. 💜 edit: funi typo
Pleased to see ya m8 , Pleasant surprise indeed :3 I've enjoyed both of yalls content for a minute and all I can say is take a break if you need , don't stress yourself by turning a hobby into a job lel Good luck to you Nick and lago if y'all's read this and may you two find peace in the domain (P.s) thnx for being a pretty good example for our expansive community You two are pretty rationalized and seem to know what yalls are doing lel g'luck :3
What I find disturbing about the purpleyeenba situation is not only did dander make several copyright strikes on the alt to brag, he also made his alt a 16 year old trans furry obsess over him, which I want to point out is really f*king creepy.
Furry social media is trash anyways, it isn't anything but clout chasing and popularity contests. I had a friend who would always bitch about not having enough numbers and being jealous and shitty about people who were popular and earned it, like sonicfox.
Being confronted by a stalker/doxxer irl is fucking horrifying, holy shit. Poor Nicks, I hope this hasn’t tarnished future convention experiences/work opportunities. I bought a badge off of them once and they were super sweet, it’s fucking heartbreaking to hear that Nicks went through that experience
Your comment reminds me of that one Smiling Friends scene where Charlie meets his grandma in Hell, and the reason she's there is that she said, "Damn!" when his grandpa got shot
My personal opinion on Dander is that I don't think he's unable to learn or change. He just doesn't want to. He's the living embodiment of that Principal Skinner meme where he assumes that he's right and everyone else is wrong. Good job on the video. Let's keep people informed and never let Dander forget about his actions.
As someone who doesn't actively interact with the fandom as a whole, it always baffles me to watch these kinds of videos. It's legitimately like looking into another world. The lack of self-awareness and sheer detachment from reality some of these people have is nothing short of terrifying. I can only imagine just how stressful and mentally exhausting it can be to compile all this bullshit and put it in a video. I hope you give yourself plenty of mental health breaks, dude.
The delusions are why I distanced myself from the fandom after 15 years. The toxicity was also driving me absolutely nuts. Last year I had gotten fed up with someone because I just couldn't stand them constantly putting me down and using their TikTok follower count as an excuse to act like a douchbag, all for leaving their dying group chat 🤷
Unfortunately I can also relate ,ive Def gone through some heinous shit , so seeing someone else go through something traumatic in general kinda tugs on my strings for say.
@@fluidwolf *Yeah I was shocked that Hopeless Peaches would delete his channel like this it seems like he’s had enough and he couldn’t take the Senate anymore*
Apparently it was mostly based around Peaches harassing an autistic woman in a voice call or something. Also, apparently they came out as genderfluid (he/them) either a couple hours or days before deleting their Twitter
dander and his dramas, without realizing or recognizing what he is doing or saying, or taking other’s perspectives and persons into account, has created a lot of distance between our friendship, and i havent talked with him much since
honestly as a trans person he does genuinely seem transphobic. him saying that about labratts voice has the same energy as people making fun of trans men with big chests wanting to be gendered correctly, its just gross. and constantly making the pronoun correction this big thing, which literally wasn't needed. his logic about that is completely ignorant.
bro i met this guy like 2-3 years ago in vrc without knowing who he is. He ended up being one of those randoms on my freind list i never talk to, but then 1 day like another year or two later, he just randomly invites me, so then i joined, and its just him in the vrc ban world ranted to me and bunch of other people he invited about how he was banned unfairly from vrchat. I was so confused but now watching this video, it just makes that incident so much more funnier now that it makes sense.
ngl garo kinda deserves it though. Dude fosters weird parasocial relationships and demands that his fans not interact with other communities. Gives off HUGE cult leader vibes and honestly shouldn't have a platform.
The downside was that Dander made Garo look like a victim with the harassment and accusations with lack of evidence. That led Garo to get away with his misdeeds and an undamaged channel.
Honestly, why is it that whenever someone gets called out by investigative-type TH-camrs, they invariably throw out the "I used to think highly of/look up to [name], but they're actually a bad person" line?
Bit of narcissism I guess? The idea that their own views are always viewed as more important even by others so them lowering their opinion of someone else is supposed to be some kind of massive loss in their mind for the other person.
Hi guys, I can’t help but feel responsible for Dander’s presence online. Specifically his obsession with Expose videos. I first met Dander when I uploaded my expose video on toxic furry “ArtieKnightYT”. He had no online presence on TH-cam but took notes of my videos on Artie to create his own expose videos. He saw the traction I was getting and wiggled his way into the drama and made himself the center of it. He later on had an obsession with drama and these expose videos, in my discord server any chance he got he would mention Artie almost like he had an unhealthy obsession with him. If me and my friend never would have taken dander in and supported him when first starting out, he wouldn’t have an online presence. It’s crazy seeing what these expose videos did to him and the platform it gave him to do these crazy horrible things. I sympathize with everyone who has met Dander and the things he’s done to them.
man is it really so hard for people to just like, oh, i dunno, **NOT** be a nonce? like, as if the rest of the crap he's done wasn't bad enough, but he really just went "yea screw it might as well dig this hole deeper" with what should REALLY not be a hard thing to avoid doing.
So, this is the "Him" everyone was talking about... _greeeeeeat._ I've seen this dolt around here and on twitter for some time now, but I never bothered with him since, well... the guy seems a few beers short of a six-pack.
I too, loathe Dander Woolf, he messaged me with an apology for some reason on telegram but I'll "accept" if I see a genuine change (which i highly doubt will happen). He has done so much reprehensible shit to friends of mine that honestly make it hard for me to ever trust him.
As someone who was helping run one of the biggest vrchat worldswhen the whole slapho thing took place... damn you for reminding me that Zach the Z guy existed... I had forgotten about that pos.
ooooff, and the fact that i once defended this dude when he completely repainted how harrassive and milking he was with the garo stuff. it was on an old acc, but i still wanna apologize, i did not defend him more than a week at most before seeing yea he's creepily obsessive
id like to say I didn't follow him or anything anywhere other than TH-cam, so I missed everything on Twitter and tiktok(I've never used either) and everything. I think almost all his defenders only get bits of info, never enough to actually see the full picture. still not okay, but I think its important to add and I know editing a comment quickly can blacklist it so
I definitely understand that. I don't follow beefs and drama because I have pretty bad PTSD from my past and I would rather focus on relaxing or important things. So I don't know anything that goes on with people's private lives. Don't insert yourself into situations or let others manipulate you. Just avoid drama like the plague and you should be fine 🙏🏻💚💙💜
@@evangeloevoxi I'm really glad you're in a place in your life where you can focus on good stuff purely, geniunely I'm happy for you. I also have awful PTSD, but also I'm still going through really stressful and at times more traumatic stuff in my own life. I saw another person put it best. "focusing on furry drama distracts me from the drama of my own life, but with drama with colorful animals". I hope I'll be able to be in a space where I can do that soon.
@@FluffyMarsu ignore the furry BS. It's not worth the stress. Steess harms your health. Trust me, I still have my own issues and things that keep me stressed. I won't burden you with those things. But horrible things will always exist, and you always have to try to stay strong. Be a light for others, but more importantly try to find your own light to follow so you don't fall deeper into the abyss. You're 100% worth fighting for yourself 💜💙💚
I'm in Nick's Telegram chat and have been since it was made iirc. I remember when everything went down with Dander in that chat and god, it was hellish. I have a tendency to give second chances to people who don't at all deserve it though, and Dander was no different. Before he was banned (and I think for a short time after he was banned), I was in contact with him over Telegram because, and I genuinely don't know how else to phrase this, I thought I could play therapist and help him out. Dander's a little older than me, for some context. My goal was basically "if I can be someone he can talk to, maybe I can get him to realize how badly he's fucked up" because at that point he'd talked about getting a minor doxxed in his Discord server (and, obviously, we'd only heard his side of this). Eventually I realized it wasn't working and blocked him. I had him blocked for at least a few months (if not longer) by the time the PurpleYeenBa stuff was going down. One of the things I vividly remember is that he spent all the money he had on MFF 2022, and when we tried to tell him "dude, MFF is NOT a necessity" he'd claim it was. I don't remember his reasoning, but after he spent everything on MFF, he started complaining about being broke and wouldn't take accountability. Additionally, I think he realized I had some level of sympathy for an unrelated situation he was going through and took advantage of it. I genuinely want to think he can change, because as I said, I have a tendency to give second chances to people who don't deserve it. I don't think he will frankly. I feel like I had my sympathy taken advantage of, he didn't give a single shit that he endangered minors, and he's endangered and emotionally broken people I look up to. There's a lot of information in this video that I didn't actually know and knowing it makes me feel more gross than I did before that I ever offered him help and emotional support. I don't usually have personal connection to the topic of your videos, but the fact that I offered emotional support to this guy and now knowing all the shit he did behind the scenes while I was in contact with him is messing with me.
From one therapist-card-player to another, you did right. Tried to help, realize it didnt work, bugged out. People who arent particularly learned in the practice of "knowing when to give up helping" it's a bit of a sketch eggshell walk just because its instinct fighting reason, "I can fix it, I know I can. They'll figure it out, I'll help them through" even after repeated instances of backstabs. Fucking sucks either way though and you have my sympathy. Yes, I speak from experience, I was immature once and it genuinely helped me in my psychology major but I flubbed it halfway through. Keep doing you, but make sure you arent dedicating your every waking moment and spark of energy for someone else if they're in need or are vulnerable. Need to keep yourself standing if you want others. It's mostly as a note for other people who surf comment threads, but it's universally applicable: in order to be helpful, sometimes you gotta help yourself. Cant do everything, cant lift the world on your shoulders.
I feel you. But at least you seem to have a good instinct for when to drop it. It can be an easy thing to set yourself on fire just to keep another person warm
Hey @jinx wassup dude. I also posted about that chat drama cuz I've been there from the beginning as well. But my comment got removed for some reason. That situation was insane, I blocked the wolf guy before he was even kicked out lol
Advice to all commenters.... Don't try to fix people. Most people online will manipulate you and don't care about your help. Only someone can help themselves and they usually don't choose to. I learned this the hard way over two decades of trying to help the worst people and all it did was leave me traumatized. It's not worth it to hurt yourself. Those leeches feed on you. Don't let them 💜💙💚
The fact that he dragged content creators who had barely anything to do with him, let alone his beef with other people, into his striking spree is what really bugs me. If he was willing to upend all these other channels, how much farther was he willing to go with the doxxing? It’s unhinged.
Dang that kid is still doing things? I encountered him in a chat like a couple years ago and he got banned for risking everyone in chat getting doxxed by his behavior. I immediately blocked him when that shit was going on because screw that. I don't play around with fools, learned that the hard way a decade ago in high school and college.
I ain’t got nothing to add but this is the first time I’ve ever known a person in one of these types of videos. My monkey brain neurons activated seeing the thumbnail. Didn’t really talk much with them but I remember them being in a discord server I was in like 3 years ago or something. Interesting to uh learn what’s happened with them, feels weird recognizing a person in one of these. Barely knew anything about them
My only encounter with Dander was around the same time the PurpleYeenBa situation. I came into this stuff a little late but I noticed that Dander was an issue and blocked them after our one conversation. 28:54 I can agree that it was only people associated with dander, and that's why we should have been suspicious it was him sooner. Because despite making 3 videos on Yeen I was never struck (I did block them on twitter after novely was hit though). Then they went on to see how far they could go and started flagging everyone. But I think that was a big tip off as despite me having issues with other furry creators I've only blocked Dander and Yeen. I just didn't want to believe that someone could be that dumb to leave such a clear trail back to themselves? Dander may have not harmed me directly but they've definitely made me too paranoid to hang out with youtube peers. Worried that others might be like him and that I'd make friends with someone who wants to see me fail. Wouldn't be the first time.
I actually remember this guy. I had no clue he was still around. I didn't know much about him, but based on this video, i think i doged a bullet by not trying to interact with him
I dodged a bullet when I blocked this guy. Dander is a literal, actual criminal at this point seeing all the stuff he did (from what I remember reading, he did other things with that minor besides saying that he, a 20 year old, was "turned on", he bragged about his sex life to that minor, which is a completely inappropriate/illegal conversation to have, and send inappropriate videos, and he even once doxxed the entire United States Supreme Court justices), it's a wonder he isn't in prison at this point; he's ruined who knows how many lives.
Don't mean to be rude but honestly wondering why the "call people" (I don't know anyone's names sorry) feel entitled to pull "problematic person" into discord phone calls and interrogate them? I see it with almost all these type of videos, feels like a justice hero complex lol I still enjoy watching this type of content and learning about all these people.
I was waiting all day yesterday for this oof let's hope the time left to simmer on the stove made this video come out good Edit: WHAT DO YOU MEAN HE GLOATED ABOUT ACTUAL CRIMES HE DID WHAT
I’m a little late but i think the point of a content warning in the beginning of a video is to warn people with specific triggers such as child abuse, doxxing, grooming etc and i don’t think the ’morbidly sus’ text explains what the video is actually about. Just a thought! I like the video, just wish the warning actually explained what to be warned of and if i should click off or not.
Bro this kinda irrelevant but I've been subbed for a min because I'd listen to your vids while working occasionally, but it was weird to see ya covering a name I recognized xD. I met Dander through a friend in vrchat at random and after bout a week of running into them I blocked em for reasons xD Its weird how small the world really is lol
Not gunna lie, I used to be friends with Dander when I first joined the fandom 2 years ago. We first met on TH-cam after I commented on one of his videos. We then began playing VRChat together and became very close as a result. I was even made a moderator in his server and remember the drama situation well, especially since Dander had gotten me involved in it and having said people come after me as well as a result, which nearly caused my own reputation to also be ruined. My own Discord server was then raided by the same people who posted the zoophilia content in Danders server. The people in question had also tried claiming that *I* myself was a zoophile as well (which I am not!), before threatening to doxx/SWAT me. Thankfully myself and my staff were able to deal with the situation and got rid of them immediately. I spent the next several days fearing for the safety of my family and myself, as well as having constant anxiety attacks, as I feared either a SWAT team or the people in question would show up at my door. Thankfully nothing ever happened. Of course after all of this went down, I immediately cut ties and stopped talking to Dander. I haven’t spoken to him since around July or August of 2022. We have unfortunately crossed paths in VRChat a few times since, and while I can no longer stand him or have any respect for him, I try to remain civil. Sorry for the long read, but that’s my story about my experience with him. If you have any questions, feel free to reply.
Will you make a video about the senate one day?? I really like lios content but I don't wanna support him if he's a bad guy. I can't find enough information to form my own opinion so it would be nice if you did
Ok so if anyone's reading this comment harleytbs's video is good. The call w/ rosa was incredibly disturbing so be warned, it's just a bunch of grown people ganging up on an autistic person. I kinda skipped halfway through because of how disturbing it is especially as someone with autism
@@krisakastarlic Well, Lio DID make a 4-hour long video talking about how he screwed up with that call, and he did make a video regarding his call with Crimson Mayhem, and the difference between calls is something to behold.
Just wanted to put this out there but, contrary to popular belief doxxing is not a crime. It can be used to contribute to other crimes but doxxing itself is not a crime.
22:25 Who is the person talking on this voice call? I swear I hear that voice questioning people in these furry VCs a lot, I'm curious who they are? (I'm not in the fandom, so if they're well known, sorry, I just like watching LagoVirt's videos because his voice is pleasant to listen to when playing Minecraft and furry drama is entertaining from the outside. lol)
the expose channel that just turns into tilting at windmills without any solid evidence thing reminds me of.. I think he went by prison mate luke. Wonder if he ever came back (but I don't wonder enough to ruin my algorithm putting his name in the search bar) edit: aw hell, is hopeless peaches in with the senate? What a roller coaster of an arc
I chatted with him beforehand in the past. I felt like he was trying to pull my strings because of my distaste for a bunch on comentstor youtubers with all of my dms.
@@valentinewhite9298 In every state I've lived in the under 21 ID expires when you turn 21, but I'll go with the debit card answer, it makes a lot more sense.
As a current client of SimpleNicks I do not speak to them often, but it is disheartening to see such a lovely creator deal with such a gross person. SimpleNicks is a very kind person from the short but respectful interactions I’ve had with them, and I feel they definitely didn’t deserve to deal with Dander and his bullshit. The same goes for everyone who has had to deal with Dander. It’s rather disheartening and saddening to see multiple respectful, “normal” furs deal with such an unhinged idiot. I’ve been a on and off fan of your content for a while and I personally appreciate the fandom coverage you give, as it updates me as an active fursuiter on what’s going on within our community and gives me a good handful of people to know to avoid.
To have someone consistently be the maker of their own downfall and direct their anger towards people that critiqued them is something that frustrates me. I’ve been put through hell and back simply for talking about him all the way back when I was 16 when I got hit with my first dox attempt because of him. Being 18 when he got that unconsensual art of me made. It puts into perspective how much of a genuine mental strain me and others underwent in two years.
He’s recently apologized and I’m really mixed. On one hand after everything he’s put me through with 5 copyright strikes and other unsavory things that crossed many boundaries, I don’t see it in me to forget. Yet I’m open to seeing whether he finally had some sense knocked into him, or if this behavior will continue and the cycle will renew. Only time could tell. The internet won’t forget his actions, I certainly won’t. Yet I’m willing to open up to the idea that he finally learned. And it’s an idea that he better not blow like he has in the past.
He’s what sucked a lot of joy out of me. And I’m starting that healing process myself of what I’ve went through. I could only hope this is the last time I ever have to hear from him again. Thank you for this video.
prepare for disappointment. he will probably never change.
Proof of change matters far more than simple words. At the end of the day, it's up to you to decide if he's truly made amends. Don't let him bully or manipulate you into accepting his apology, let it be something you fully accept on your own.
I’ve made the mistake of trying to give a known slur slinging transphobe a second chance and it bit me in my ass. Not saying people can’t change, but most people don’t, especially when they display destructive behaviors like that.
I don’t blame you for being forgiving, because I am very much a forgiving person, but eventually you’ll learn who deserves your kindness and respect over others who don’t.
Saw ur vid Novely
From one victim of such horrific cybercrime to another, I am so sorry you and everyone involved (barring the abusers/perps of course). You went through a hell no one should.
Dander's behaviour is EERIELY similar to my former abusers', down to nonconsensual artwork being made of me (a known C/SA & near-trafficking survivor 🙃), doxxing, alt accounts, etc. Hell, even the zoo/PDF-adjacency is nearly the exact same. From my experiences with this ilk, they are repeat offenders who will only apologize to get enough time/trust to hurt again (and make you reluctant to report them for their crimes!!!).
Please keep yourself safe and away from him. Abusers *want* you back in the trenches with them, let alone you seemingly being on their side again- even if you aren't- so that, when they DO do something bad once more, they can rely on you as the forgiveness scapegoat (i.e "But look, they forgave me and gave me another chance, so should you!").
As I've learned in my own trauma recovery, you are not required to accept any apologies from someone who'd rather see you suffering, or worse. Anybody who pressures you to is incredibly suspect, especially if it's from someone who has an investment of some kind in them. However, as it is every survivor's choice and right, I will likewise not pressure you to deny his apology.
I can, and will, however, advise that you don't accept it, and that you block him ASAP. You deserve peace, love, and recovery away from people like him and his. Wishing you all the best. 💜
edit: funi typo
Formal apology to all y'all that had to hear my "I am still recovering from a sinus infection" voice. great vid as usual.
Pleased to see ya m8 ,
Pleasant surprise indeed :3
I've enjoyed both of yalls content for a minute and all I can say is take a break if you need , don't stress yourself by turning a hobby into a job lel
Good luck to you Nick and lago if y'all's read this and may you two find peace in the domain
(P.s) thnx for being a pretty good example for our expansive community
You two are pretty rationalized and seem to know what yalls are doing lel
g'luck :3
What I find disturbing about the purpleyeenba situation is not only did dander make several copyright strikes on the alt to brag, he also made his alt a 16 year old trans furry obsess over him, which I want to point out is really f*king creepy.
the account is even still up- gross
and made a point to label said 16 yr old as an AAM...........
Dander Wolf walked so that Lumin City could run
Do I even want to know?...
At least Lumin hasn’t doxed anyone (to my knowledge). Lumin is also still a bit young so hopefully they are redeemable.
In before the copyright strike
Better download the video before it's too late.
Dander made a comment on this video saying he won’t copyright strike it
@@happynatsu1459 and I'm a 7 foot tall multi billionaire with a 10 inch cock.
It's easy to tell lies on the Internet
"Bunniett"
@@bigbongtheorem3821???
Honestly, seeing the stuff Benji covers, I'm kinda glad that, as a whole, I've distanced myself from furry social media (and social media in general)
Wise choice, to be honest.
I understand that.
Have a good one!
And may the Force be with you.
Me too! Using Twitter just to use Twitter drained my mental health for months. Nothing of value is on Twitter
Same. Especially twitter, its a toxic hellhole. i only check what the people im following are doing and thats it
Furry social media is trash anyways, it isn't anything but clout chasing and popularity contests. I had a friend who would always bitch about not having enough numbers and being jealous and shitty about people who were popular and earned it, like sonicfox.
My life improved visibly afer leaving twitter
Being confronted by a stalker/doxxer irl is fucking horrifying, holy shit. Poor Nicks, I hope this hasn’t tarnished future convention experiences/work opportunities. I bought a badge off of them once and they were super sweet, it’s fucking heartbreaking to hear that Nicks went through that experience
They seem to be doing okay! She commented on the video and has an Instagram page with really cute drawings. It's also active
LagoVirt saying that they hate someone is like hearing your prudish, Christian grandmother shout "FUCK" for the first time.
Your comment reminds me of that one Smiling Friends scene where Charlie meets his grandma in Hell, and the reason she's there is that she said, "Damn!" when his grandpa got shot
My personal opinion on Dander is that I don't think he's unable to learn or change. He just doesn't want to. He's the living embodiment of that Principal Skinner meme where he assumes that he's right and everyone else is wrong.
Good job on the video. Let's keep people informed and never let Dander forget about his actions.
Wasn't expecting to see you here.
Okay?
I don't know what you mean by that.
As someone who doesn't actively interact with the fandom as a whole, it always baffles me to watch these kinds of videos. It's legitimately like looking into another world. The lack of self-awareness and sheer detachment from reality some of these people have is nothing short of terrifying. I can only imagine just how stressful and mentally exhausting it can be to compile all this bullshit and put it in a video. I hope you give yourself plenty of mental health breaks, dude.
The delusions are why I distanced myself from the fandom after 15 years. The toxicity was also driving me absolutely nuts. Last year I had gotten fed up with someone because I just couldn't stand them constantly putting me down and using their TikTok follower count as an excuse to act like a douchbag, all for leaving their dying group chat 🤷
Ah yes I love my favorite youtuber, John Lagovirt from Werewolflandia
Same
I had no idea Dander was still active
Me too thought he was gone for good but roaches will eventually scurry back
the bad timeline we live in
I don't even know who Dander is.
@@Blitz0555
Oh, he also was the mf who dickrode that one toxic narcissist person with a cult server.
As a victim of some pretty heinous stuff when I was younger, seeing my character in those situations absolutely messed with me
Unfortunately I can also relate ,ive Def gone through some heinous shit , so seeing someone else go through something traumatic in general kinda tugs on my strings for say.
Sorry you had to go through that shit, dude
16:45 *Btw LagoVirt I forgot to mention that Hopeless Peaches’ channel is gone he deactivated his channel because of the Senate bullshit*
Im kind of surprised he did that and kind of not at the same time. Not a good look either way for him
@@fluidwolf *Yeah I was shocked that Hopeless Peaches would delete his channel like this it seems like he’s had enough and he couldn’t take the Senate anymore*
Apparently it was mostly based around Peaches harassing an autistic woman in a voice call or something. Also, apparently they came out as genderfluid (he/them) either a couple hours or days before deleting their Twitter
btw Peaches uses he/they
@@bnuuuyy I know sorry about that
dander and his dramas, without realizing or recognizing what he is doing or saying, or taking other’s perspectives and persons into account, has created a lot of distance between our friendship, and i havent talked with him much since
Dander is the definition of terminally online
Ironic since so many of his excuses boil down to "I'm not online 24/7"
yo rain world on the tumbnail, based af
WOWEE I DIDNT NOTICE UNTIL NOW-
honestly as a trans person he does genuinely seem transphobic. him saying that about labratts voice has the same energy as people making fun of trans men with big chests wanting to be gendered correctly, its just gross. and constantly making the pronoun correction this big thing, which literally wasn't needed. his logic about that is completely ignorant.
bro i met this guy like 2-3 years ago in vrc without knowing who he is. He ended up being one of those randoms on my freind list i never talk to, but then 1 day like another year or two later, he just randomly invites me, so then i joined, and its just him in the vrc ban world ranted to me and bunch of other people he invited about how he was banned unfairly from vrchat.
I was so confused but now watching this video, it just makes that incident so much more funnier now that it makes sense.
ngl garo kinda deserves it though. Dude fosters weird parasocial relationships and demands that his fans not interact with other communities. Gives off HUGE cult leader vibes and honestly shouldn't have a platform.
That was the one and only time I agreed with Dander, though I was willing to hear Garo out sometime later. Neither of them seem like great people.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
@@the_furry_inside_your_walls639 Nah you're right, I'm simply saying I dont feel sorry for Garo in the slightest.
Garo is a complete goober that is a walking issue but dander still should have conducted himself better in how he covered him I feel
The downside was that Dander made Garo look like a victim with the harassment and accusations with lack of evidence.
That led Garo to get away with his misdeeds and an undamaged channel.
Hello Mr. John Lagovirt.
man, last time I was this early Benji was talking about hamsters in microwaves.
I love fresh tea in the morning! What a wonderful way to wake up.
"I am a busy man with a job" Is the same excuse he made to Lio when he found out that 60 confirmed minors were in his discord server.
Honestly, why is it that whenever someone gets called out by investigative-type TH-camrs, they invariably throw out the "I used to think highly of/look up to [name], but they're actually a bad person" line?
Classic narcissistic/sociopathic behavior. Dander was trying to push the blame from himself onto Lago.
Bit of narcissism I guess? The idea that their own views are always viewed as more important even by others so them lowering their opinion of someone else is supposed to be some kind of massive loss in their mind for the other person.
Hi guys, I can’t help but feel responsible for Dander’s presence online. Specifically his obsession with Expose videos. I first met Dander when I uploaded my expose video on toxic furry “ArtieKnightYT”. He had no online presence on TH-cam but took notes of my videos on Artie to create his own expose videos. He saw the traction I was getting and wiggled his way into the drama and made himself the center of it.
He later on had an obsession with drama and these expose videos, in my discord server any chance he got he would mention Artie almost like he had an unhealthy obsession with him. If me and my friend never would have taken dander in and supported him when first starting out, he wouldn’t have an online presence. It’s crazy seeing what these expose videos did to him and the platform it gave him to do these crazy horrible things. I sympathize with everyone who has met Dander and the things he’s done to them.
man is it really so hard for people to just like, oh, i dunno, **NOT** be a nonce? like, as if the rest of the crap he's done wasn't bad enough, but he really just went "yea screw it might as well dig this hole deeper" with what should REALLY not be a hard thing to avoid doing.
Two videos in under a month. Blessed
This video was very informative and I like their voice. 10/10 will watch again.
So, this is the "Him" everyone was talking about... _greeeeeeat._
I've seen this dolt around here and on twitter for some time now, but I never bothered with him since, well... the guy seems a few beers short of a six-pack.
He's Not even the Good kind of "Him".
dander sounds like the "🤓" emoji
I too, loathe Dander Woolf, he messaged me with an apology for some reason on telegram but I'll "accept" if I see a genuine change (which i highly doubt will happen). He has done so much reprehensible shit to friends of mine that honestly make it hard for me to ever trust him.
As someone who was helping run one of the biggest vrchat worldswhen the whole slapho thing took place... damn you for reminding me that Zach the Z guy existed... I had forgotten about that pos.
i've encountered that pos in tf2, they're the most annoying mofo ever.
this dude is a real one for holding his nose every time he speaks that thing must be soreeee as hell
has to in order to tolerate the sh't coming out of his own mouth
Thank u Lagovirt for making this video. Keep up the awesome content 😊❤
ooooff, and the fact that i once defended this dude when he completely repainted how harrassive and milking he was with the garo stuff. it was on an old acc, but i still wanna apologize, i did not defend him more than a week at most before seeing yea he's creepily obsessive
id like to say I didn't follow him or anything anywhere other than TH-cam, so I missed everything on Twitter and tiktok(I've never used either) and everything. I think almost all his defenders only get bits of info, never enough to actually see the full picture. still not okay, but I think its important to add and I know editing a comment quickly can blacklist it so
I definitely understand that. I don't follow beefs and drama because I have pretty bad PTSD from my past and I would rather focus on relaxing or important things. So I don't know anything that goes on with people's private lives. Don't insert yourself into situations or let others manipulate you. Just avoid drama like the plague and you should be fine 🙏🏻💚💙💜
@@evangeloevoxi I'm really glad you're in a place in your life where you can focus on good stuff purely, geniunely I'm happy for you. I also have awful PTSD, but also I'm still going through really stressful and at times more traumatic stuff in my own life. I saw another person put it best. "focusing on furry drama distracts me from the drama of my own life, but with drama with colorful animals". I hope I'll be able to be in a space where I can do that soon.
@@FluffyMarsu ignore the furry BS. It's not worth the stress. Steess harms your health. Trust me, I still have my own issues and things that keep me stressed. I won't burden you with those things. But horrible things will always exist, and you always have to try to stay strong. Be a light for others, but more importantly try to find your own light to follow so you don't fall deeper into the abyss. You're 100% worth fighting for yourself 💜💙💚
im starting to sound like a broken record but why is everyone misspelling slander woolf-.-
OMG... Ishmael...
when it snapped!
I'm in Nick's Telegram chat and have been since it was made iirc. I remember when everything went down with Dander in that chat and god, it was hellish.
I have a tendency to give second chances to people who don't at all deserve it though, and Dander was no different. Before he was banned (and I think for a short time after he was banned), I was in contact with him over Telegram because, and I genuinely don't know how else to phrase this, I thought I could play therapist and help him out. Dander's a little older than me, for some context. My goal was basically "if I can be someone he can talk to, maybe I can get him to realize how badly he's fucked up" because at that point he'd talked about getting a minor doxxed in his Discord server (and, obviously, we'd only heard his side of this). Eventually I realized it wasn't working and blocked him. I had him blocked for at least a few months (if not longer) by the time the PurpleYeenBa stuff was going down.
One of the things I vividly remember is that he spent all the money he had on MFF 2022, and when we tried to tell him "dude, MFF is NOT a necessity" he'd claim it was. I don't remember his reasoning, but after he spent everything on MFF, he started complaining about being broke and wouldn't take accountability. Additionally, I think he realized I had some level of sympathy for an unrelated situation he was going through and took advantage of it.
I genuinely want to think he can change, because as I said, I have a tendency to give second chances to people who don't deserve it. I don't think he will frankly. I feel like I had my sympathy taken advantage of, he didn't give a single shit that he endangered minors, and he's endangered and emotionally broken people I look up to. There's a lot of information in this video that I didn't actually know and knowing it makes me feel more gross than I did before that I ever offered him help and emotional support.
I don't usually have personal connection to the topic of your videos, but the fact that I offered emotional support to this guy and now knowing all the shit he did behind the scenes while I was in contact with him is messing with me.
From one therapist-card-player to another, you did right. Tried to help, realize it didnt work, bugged out. People who arent particularly learned in the practice of "knowing when to give up helping" it's a bit of a sketch eggshell walk just because its instinct fighting reason, "I can fix it, I know I can. They'll figure it out, I'll help them through" even after repeated instances of backstabs. Fucking sucks either way though and you have my sympathy.
Yes, I speak from experience, I was immature once and it genuinely helped me in my psychology major but I flubbed it halfway through. Keep doing you, but make sure you arent dedicating your every waking moment and spark of energy for someone else if they're in need or are vulnerable. Need to keep yourself standing if you want others.
It's mostly as a note for other people who surf comment threads, but it's universally applicable: in order to be helpful, sometimes you gotta help yourself. Cant do everything, cant lift the world on your shoulders.
I feel you. But at least you seem to have a good instinct for when to drop it. It can be an easy thing to set yourself on fire just to keep another person warm
Hey @jinx wassup dude. I also posted about that chat drama cuz I've been there from the beginning as well. But my comment got removed for some reason. That situation was insane, I blocked the wolf guy before he was even kicked out lol
Advice to all commenters.... Don't try to fix people. Most people online will manipulate you and don't care about your help. Only someone can help themselves and they usually don't choose to. I learned this the hard way over two decades of trying to help the worst people and all it did was leave me traumatized. It's not worth it to hurt yourself. Those leeches feed on you. Don't let them 💜💙💚
Excellent video, Mr. John Lagovirt
Honestly Lio Convoy is his own entire bag of worms. Never liked the guy or his practices
the fact i used to be friends with him at 15.... he was very weird to me and too cuddly? he is quite weird and disgusting
Holy crap, Purpleyeenba! I really totally forgot about that account.
The fact that he dragged content creators who had barely anything to do with him, let alone his beef with other people, into his striking spree is what really bugs me. If he was willing to upend all these other channels, how much farther was he willing to go with the doxxing? It’s unhinged.
new lagovirt video, harvest is bountiful
the hollow pride of a weathered knight
Dang that kid is still doing things? I encountered him in a chat like a couple years ago and he got banned for risking everyone in chat getting doxxed by his behavior. I immediately blocked him when that shit was going on because screw that. I don't play around with fools, learned that the hard way a decade ago in high school and college.
24:52 PM music mentioned: Sleeper agent has awakened.
I ain’t got nothing to add but this is the first time I’ve ever known a person in one of these types of videos. My monkey brain neurons activated seeing the thumbnail. Didn’t really talk much with them but I remember them being in a discord server I was in like 3 years ago or something. Interesting to uh learn what’s happened with them, feels weird recognizing a person in one of these. Barely knew anything about them
Quick everybody save this video before he copyright strikes it LOL
Run, hide, get your weapons!
My only encounter with Dander was around the same time the PurpleYeenBa situation. I came into this stuff a little late but I noticed that Dander was an issue and blocked them after our one conversation.
28:54 I can agree that it was only people associated with dander, and that's why we should have been suspicious it was him sooner. Because despite making 3 videos on Yeen I was never struck (I did block them on twitter after novely was hit though). Then they went on to see how far they could go and started flagging everyone. But I think that was a big tip off as despite me having issues with other furry creators I've only blocked Dander and Yeen. I just didn't want to believe that someone could be that dumb to leave such a clear trail back to themselves?
Dander may have not harmed me directly but they've definitely made me too paranoid to hang out with youtube peers. Worried that others might be like him and that I'd make friends with someone who wants to see me fail. Wouldn't be the first time.
Ur videos aren’t long enough. They should be 3 hours long cuz I like listening to your voice while drawing normal art
It's funny how people have pocket attorneys to call upon
I actually remember this guy. I had no clue he was still around. I didn't know much about him, but based on this video, i think i doged a bullet by not trying to interact with him
first there was danderson now there’s dander woolf (or whatever his name is) the cycle continues unfortunately…
32:06 The ishmael insanity sprite in the wild no way
I love watching furry drama not being a furry it’s so entertaining
I dodged a bullet when I blocked this guy. Dander is a literal, actual criminal at this point seeing all the stuff he did (from what I remember reading, he did other things with that minor besides saying that he, a 20 year old, was "turned on", he bragged about his sex life to that minor, which is a completely inappropriate/illegal conversation to have, and send inappropriate videos, and he even once doxxed the entire United States Supreme Court justices), it's a wonder he isn't in prison at this point; he's ruined who knows how many lives.
Don't mean to be rude but honestly wondering why the "call people" (I don't know anyone's names sorry) feel entitled to pull "problematic person" into discord phone calls and interrogate them? I see it with almost all these type of videos, feels like a justice hero complex lol I still enjoy watching this type of content and learning about all these people.
Doxxing is terrifying 😭.
How can you stop yourself from being doxxed ever?
I've seen someone doxxed before, they're petrified and are now paranoid at everything and everyone. ;-;
I was waiting all day yesterday for this oof let's hope the time left to simmer on the stove made this video come out good
Edit: WHAT DO YOU MEAN HE GLOATED ABOUT ACTUAL CRIMES HE DID WHAT
As soon as I saw the description. I immediantly thought of Lcorp. God I hate my life Xd
i’ll give him points for living up to the name. he really is as annoying as dandruff
Not rewatching ur apology video and noticing that you misgendered somebody in ur apology for misgendering them is actually kinda wild
Depression be damn , this rabbit can cook a good video .
I would of laughed extremely hard if Dander Woolf joined the call and someone asked "How Was Your Day" as all this begins to unfold.
And each 'apology' he has done weren't genuine. How surprising.
I have not watched the video as it is 47 minutes and I clicked on it 4 minutes ago.
I am commenting early in order to try and get high impressions.
Despite being a non furry, this all is pretty entertaining to watch. I don't have anything against the fandom, I just don't participate.
I’m a little late but i think the point of a content warning in the beginning of a video is to warn people with specific triggers such as child abuse, doxxing, grooming etc and i don’t think the ’morbidly sus’ text explains what the video is actually about. Just a thought! I like the video, just wish the warning actually explained what to be warned of and if i should click off or not.
I'm dumb, I thought it was like the US Senate lol
john lagovirt
Been expecting this one for some time
Ooga boonga
Great band, those guys
today is vibe day.
Bro this kinda irrelevant but I've been subbed for a min because I'd listen to your vids while working occasionally, but it was weird to see ya covering a name I recognized xD. I met Dander through a friend in vrchat at random and after bout a week of running into them I blocked em for reasons xD Its weird how small the world really is lol
More like- Dandwoolf.
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Great video John Lagovert ❤
PM MENTIONED. PM MENTIONED. KNIGHT OF DESPAIR.
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truly the white nights and the dark days of the furry fandom
You called?
Not gunna lie, I used to be friends with Dander when I first joined the fandom 2 years ago. We first met on TH-cam after I commented on one of his videos. We then began playing VRChat together and became very close as a result. I was even made a moderator in his server and remember the drama situation well, especially since Dander had gotten me involved in it and having said people come after me as well as a result, which nearly caused my own reputation to also be ruined.
My own Discord server was then raided by the same people who posted the zoophilia content in Danders server. The people in question had also tried claiming that *I* myself was a zoophile as well (which I am not!), before threatening to doxx/SWAT me. Thankfully myself and my staff were able to deal with the situation and got rid of them immediately. I spent the next several days fearing for the safety of my family and myself, as well as having constant anxiety attacks, as I feared either a SWAT team or the people in question would show up at my door. Thankfully nothing ever happened.
Of course after all of this went down, I immediately cut ties and stopped talking to Dander. I haven’t spoken to him since around July or August of 2022. We have unfortunately crossed paths in VRChat a few times since, and while I can no longer stand him or have any respect for him, I try to remain civil.
Sorry for the long read, but that’s my story about my experience with him. If you have any questions, feel free to reply.
Will you make a video about the senate one day?? I really like lios content but I don't wanna support him if he's a bad guy. I can't find enough information to form my own opinion so it would be nice if you did
Or recommend a decent video that has all the info about them??
Ok so if anyone's reading this comment harleytbs's video is good. The call w/ rosa was incredibly disturbing so be warned, it's just a bunch of grown people ganging up on an autistic person. I kinda skipped halfway through because of how disturbing it is especially as someone with autism
@@krisakastarlic Well, Lio DID make a 4-hour long video talking about how he screwed up with that call, and he did make a video regarding his call with Crimson Mayhem, and the difference between calls is something to behold.
Just wanted to put this out there but, contrary to popular belief doxxing is not a crime. It can be used to contribute to other crimes but doxxing itself is not a crime.
23:33 "FUCK YOU MEAN NUH UH?!"
He used to follow me back when I was a stupid tiktokian. Strange times…
I remember I had to see him whine about the coyote lovely drama in real time… yeah.
It's so crazy, I used to be friends with that guy then stopped because he kept getting into drama
dander wolf new alt is skabidy toilette
preech
22:25 Who is the person talking on this voice call? I swear I hear that voice questioning people in these furry VCs a lot, I'm curious who they are? (I'm not in the fandom, so if they're well known, sorry, I just like watching LagoVirt's videos because his voice is pleasant to listen to when playing Minecraft and furry drama is entertaining from the outside. lol)
the expose channel that just turns into tilting at windmills without any solid evidence thing reminds me of.. I think he went by prison mate luke. Wonder if he ever came back (but I don't wonder enough to ruin my algorithm putting his name in the search bar)
edit: aw hell, is hopeless peaches in with the senate? What a roller coaster of an arc
what actually is the game in the background
I believe it's called Voidigo. Very underrated game that's similar to Nuclear Throne iirc.
Dander sounds like Jeffy.
I talked with dander at one point. Glad I cut ties with him when I did.
Dander Woolf? More like... Dandruff
what will go first? the false dmca strike? or the creepy behavior?
unrelated but if this is his gameplay then he really sucks at rocket leauge
I chatted with him beforehand in the past. I felt like he was trying to pull my strings because of my distaste for a bunch on comentstor youtubers with all of my dms.
Guy's credit card was stolen, but he has a vertical under 21 ID? We wouldn't issue a credit card to someone under 21. Not making sense.
Easy answer: hasn’t gotten a new ID
Other answer: it’s not a credit but a debit card
@@valentinewhite9298 In every state I've lived in the under 21 ID expires when you turn 21, but I'll go with the debit card answer, it makes a lot more sense.
I heavily fw the, what kinda rappin’ is this intro.
ik this is off topic af but does anyone know what the outro music is, cant find it in the playlist and it sounds like a remake of "a boy is a gun"
I misread the title as "I Love Dander Woolf." lol
As a current client of SimpleNicks I do not speak to them often, but it is disheartening to see such a lovely creator deal with such a gross person.
SimpleNicks is a very kind person from the short but respectful interactions I’ve had with them, and I feel they definitely didn’t deserve to deal with Dander and his bullshit.
The same goes for everyone who has had to deal with Dander. It’s rather disheartening and saddening to see multiple respectful, “normal” furs deal with such an unhinged idiot. I’ve been a on and off fan of your content for a while and I personally appreciate the fandom coverage you give, as it updates me as an active fursuiter on what’s going on within our community and gives me a good handful of people to know to avoid.