“All art must be allowed” is fine in plain text, but people love to sneak in the sentiment of “all art must be accepted,” which is so not the same thing like come on now
the funniest part of the whole "protect all art" argument is that they are (rightfully so) vehemently against hate speech in art form, their whole argument is only there because they cant admit that people dont like pedos and zoos, and that liking those things are inherently wrong, but they dont actually mean "protect all art" its just what they are hiding behind
@@alpacaofthemountain8760 same, I don't think certain art like adult/minor and z00 should be allowed at ALL, people will use that for gross stuff if we allow it
On the one side we have the freedom of art, which is truly intouchable human right, but on the other side we have a degeneracy content like whitekitten and the similar stuff. Truly a dillema.
@@kathycollins3260 all art should be allowed and all art has a purpose. Sometimes the purpose of some art is to be labelled as evil and destroyed. Still, degeneracy needs to be first commited and underscored in order to teach the people what they should prune and destroy.
@@CULT_OF_TRAGEDY oh you are one of those types. Oh! Yeah one. He keeps up to date with the news and commentary. He even kept up with the Freefurall BS that happened in my home state. I LIVED 1 F**KING CITY OVER FROM THAT CON!!! And it was racist. Just look at their other content and then talk to me about it.
@@jaayseI don't think being trans is comparable to zooph*lia. Also it's ironic to say that trans people don't belong in the furry community. The furry community itself is more often than not seen as more socially taboo than being trans. Furries (like myself) face significant social misconceptions and stigma and it's funny to think that a community familiar with being misunderstood and marginalized would exclude trans people, who also face similar societal challenges. The furry community is pretty well known for its inclusivity and diversity, is exactly the kind of place where trans people should and do belong. And I'm assuming that you partake in the furry community yourself (being that you're commenting on a furry channel). If so, you're stupid for even thinking this.
I have a weird point here... my main thing is demons. You know those things that are not real. If you have ever bedded a demon or know someone who has I need their number. It is The Shape of Water argument.
"Our expectations for you were low but HOLY FUCK." Edit: Rewatching the video after the stream, ofc their comments are just them playing victim. Neither of them has actually said anything regarding the video's topic however, so either they at least tolerate this ghoul or they're just simply trying to make it about themselves with crappy copy & paste stuff.
@@Wonkydock26 his gf was always the better artist, he literally called himself the 'jitter tool king' for a while because his 'animations' were just him using the tweening tools on art kabier made Now that flash is dead he's had to find some other low-skill way to maipulate art made by other people lmao
"x space should allow y member so that they can heal" is always such a baffling argument to me. Why is it the furry fandom's job to harbor and rehabilitate abusers? Since when is drawing animals synonymous with psychiatric charity work that few are truly capable of?
They want to "heal" by engaging in the thing they're trying to "heal" from and having people tell them that thing is ok It's like trying to fight depression by talking about how cool depression is and doing things that trigger depressive episodes on purpose
@@BonseyJonsey I’d go even a step further, it’s like trying to fight depression by self harming in a way that so succinctly perpetuates the problem that it becomes difficult to understand what you were trying to achieve in the first place. There is, and never will be, a single psychiatric case where a zoophile is cured by horse porn.
@@neodominoz2649exactly! It’ll enable it and being surrounded by further enablers will 10/10 make it so much worse! If you are trying to heal, then you must step away! Do NOT surround yourself with people who can easily take advantage of you and enable you; saying that it’s okay and there’s nothing wrong with it when there clearly is. People who have not acted on Zoophilia but know what they’re getting attracted to need immediate help before something worse happens! If you are an already convicted zoophile…uh….get fucking bent and go to jail! Maybe you’ll get the necessary help in prison 🤷♂️
Don't play chess with a pigeon. It'll shit all over the board and act like it won. And then Cenny will try to convince you its moral to fuck it while doing so himself.
People are so quick to lump ANYTHING involving animals with the Furry fandom. I understand that a lot of furries draw NSFW art which gives most people the wrong idea since they are s*xualised animal characters, but the fact that they're given human proportions for the sake of seeming attractive defeats the point of being a zooph*le. Plus they're just OCs. It doesn't reflect reality at all. It's like a Skyrim Argonian situation. Soooo many non-scalies felt some kind of way when they read the "L*sty Argonian Maid" but they don't suddenly wanna go and f*ck a real life lizard.
"They are sexualized animal characters." That's called... zoophilia. Giving an animal human aspects does NOT negate the attraction to the animal aspects of those characters. If you are attracted to the human aspects, why watch furry NSFW? Because you are not attracted to the human aspects and are solely attracted to the animal aspects. The level of cognitive dissonance you have to have to think that anthro animals are okay to sexualize but not regular animals is immense. If you have to give an animal human aspects so you feel better about being attracted to it, that is zoophilia with extra steps. Get fucking real.
The issue isn't trying to separate zoophilia and the furry fandom, it's already separated. The issue is people claiming things to be zoophilia when it isn't.
The mental gymnastics that they go for is kinda funny. Zoophiles have the worst kind of mental gymnastics. For example. "I did not have s*xual relations with that puppy" Every zoophile ever I wanted to make fun of another famous quote of Bill Clinton. And I rarely have a good take but this one is kind of like a Bill Clinton or Bill Cosby kind of thing. And the results are that they actually did the horrid deed.
@@YourWaterDispenser my personal take is that zoophiles always go the Bill Clinton route and try to deny they did something suspicious with a dog, cat quokka or whatever they try things with. And every denial leads to them eventually being found out
Damn it, why do Jasonafex and Peacewolf have to insert themselves into this drama that had nothing to do with them with the worst takes? Why is it nearly everyone that got involved with FreeFurAll is completely insane?
@@GuineaPigDan they stepped in it because jason and kabs made a comic that was literally "protag finds stray dog and teaches it 'tricks' aka fucking them on command" They (rightfully) caught flak for it being zoo content, so now naturally they have to insert themselves whenever it comes up
Also because scooping up people being called out to shelter them in their toxic space for indoctrination, it's textbook grooming, furry raider behavior
@@Yomushdidn’t they “quit” the furry community for “drama” years ago too? yeah sure buddy. almost like it wasn’t drama but all the credible allegations you’re a creep lol
No idea how these Zoos cannot comprehend the difference between consensual s*x between two adult men and non consensual s*x between a person and an animal. Like. I'm so confused why it's so hard for them to understand why being Lgbt+ and being a Zoo are entirely different??
@@Quaggabagela dog has hormonal instincts to hump, and often humping is dominance related. It is the responsibility of the human owner to discourage that behaviour, and recognise that it is not “consent”, it is merely an animal with instincts or behavioural issues that need to be corrected. Animals cannot consent, they do not have the intellect to understand consent.
I know a furry who has a family, believes in traditional values and is a father of two with a wife whom he loves. There is something absurdly comical in knowing that some random technician you walk past on the streets wears old rugs in secred, in order to look like his imaginary dog persona. It's giving me cognitive disonance, even if he's relatively normal (though he uses painting AI a lot, which is a flaw of character as far as I care).
i hate how welcome zoos feel in furry spaces. i wish as a fandom instead of just saying "every group has a few bad apples" we could instead actually have a discussion about this and find out not only why zoos find it so appealing, but why they see it as such a safe space.
I'd say the reason they find it appealing is pretty obvious, the fandom has to do with animals. There's also that different people have different opinions on what is ok and what is not, like some people have issues even with NSFW of anthropomorphic standing on two legs and actual speaking furries, while others argure that it looks like a feral animal but isn't because it acts like animals in a disney movie, they talk and act human like but just happen to look feral. Basically the seducing the dragon argurments, or a druid in bear form. Some people think feral sona's are problematic in and of themself. The amount of arguring what is and isn't ok, reminds me a lot of the loli argurments. I think the furry fandom is seen as attractive to zoos because zoos, pretty "Duh, obviously" have an interest in animals, both fictional and real, and where would you find other people that are also into that stuff? fandoms and hobbies are one of the easiest ways. It's similar to how people who are into kids, often take parts in hobbies and fandoms that involve kids. It's an issue, but what is the solution? how can you gatekeep those people out of a fandom? how do you get them away from a hobby? they can just hide that part of themself, you can't do anything against people before they do something, there is no such thing as mind reading. Most fandoms have problems like this, or similar to this, the furry fandom might have more zoos than other fandoms, but that makes logical sense, because of what the fandom is centered around. I wish I could stop rambling so much.
I find the fandom comforting because i was a furry before I was ever a zoo, I probably don't share the same experience as everyone but my groomer was also in the fandom which is how I met them They groomed me into zoophilia
Why do they find it appealing? Because the furry fandom is big and they like the content. Why do they find it safe? Because the furry fandom is big and they like the content.
i don't know why it's so hard for people to understand that open zoos and pedos don't deserve coddling and positive support. they deserve help. sometimes the so-called "art that makes you uncomfortable" makes you uncomfortable for a good reason and doesn't deserve respect. it's not harmless weird stuff (eg, vore or general furry content) people should be worried about at all, positive depictions of csa and zoo content are actively anti-recovery and send the wrong message to both people who struggle with those attractions as well as people who don't. you can say it's just a coping mechanism, but that doesn't mean it's healthy. alcoholism is also a coping mechanism but that sure doesn't mean it's healthy.
Hell; the art that unsettles you, such as the 'Night Visitor', exists to unsettle you, not to let you get your rocks off. Depicting zoophilia as something sensual rather than an urge to abuse and traumatise animals is irrelevant to unsettling art with artistic merit.
I feel like bad actors have clung to "weird art" as a means of posting nasty views without really thinking about the ramifications of what they just posted.
Yeah, I'm very pro-personal-expression and pro-freedom-of-speech, but believe that art that merely depicts or explores something is different from art that seeks to espouse, champion, or model something, and we need to take care to not automatically conflate or confuse one type of art with the other.
You keep using paraphilia when you mean paraphilic disorder. Those are different things. Everyone over a certain age has paraphilias , they really shouldn't be mixed up .
@@NightTheGlitch paraphilic disorders are related to anxiety disorders and intrusive thoughts. It differs from actual paraphiles as paraphilic disorders go against the person's morals and make them uncomfortable. I have paraphilic disorder and im getting therapy to regulate my anxiety and intrusive thoughts.
I'm aroace, so I don't really interact with the sexual side of the fandom at all, but my two cents on the issue of zoophilia are that it is an issue because real life animals inherently lack the ability to consent to either romantic or sexual relationships (as you can have one without the other, so I separate them). It does not matter to me if someone does not have a sexual interest in their pet, it is still a problem if they have a romantic interest because like a child, an animal cannot consent. At its core, the difference between anthro sexualization and zoophilia is that ability to consent, which imagined characters can because they only exist in the minds of their creators. The real problem for me starts getting into the grey line between them, where you have feral physically but anthro mentally characters (like disney characteds from Lion King). I don't think I have an informed enough perspective on that to argue and point (as I am aroace and an outside perspective) so I won't, however.
therians being called "zoo-lite" pissed me off so much. as someone whose identified as otherkin and therian since 12, the idea isnt that youre attracted to animals in any way. the idea is that in some way, in all levels except physical, you are a [INSERT ANIMAL], whether that be spiritual or heavily emotional. regardless of how much therians and otherkin may find comfort in behaving like whatever animal they identify with (im a canine, so say, id let my partner pat me on the head) doesnt mean we dont also understand we are PHYSICALLY and MENTALLY currently human. otherkin/therians are not screwing real animals because they identify with one, because we know we arent CURRENTLY one, even if just not entirely. tldr: turning the idea of "i choose to reject identifying as human and identify as an animal" into "well CLEARLY you must be attracted to that animal too, right? and want to screw one?" really makes you think about whatever the fuck cenny has going on inside that head, and its not very pretty
yeah, as a grey fox therian i know fully well i still have a human body and brain that can understand complex concepts and consent unlike a non human animal which can’t. just because i have psychological shifts, phantom limb and animal urges doesn’t make it nearly alright or not disgusting to think a bio animal can consent. i can’t understand how someone can find them attractive but even if you do it just means you need to seek PROFESSIONAL help and not try to involve that into a fandom where good people are and it especially means you shouldn’t try and pass it off as alright or indulge in it. it’s also messed up to drag the furry fandom into that or even puppy play. it’s different, as so so many people have already discussed.
THISSS, I WAS SO MAD WHEN HE BROUGHT IT UP "The therian symbol is the new zoo symbol" WHAT ARE YOU ON????? 😭 I'm not a therian but I really like doing research on it and engage in the community
There's a difference between action and intrusive thoughts. We all have intrusive thought and bad things we wonna do, but thoughts do not make someone an abuser.
@@kathycollins3260 And yet there is a difference between someone who acts on it and someone who actually seeks help. Ultimately they didn't "choose" what they are attracted to. But they can choose if they act on it or not.
@@WalkingNeonCarpet Unfortunately it's also been hijacked as a dogwhistle by anti-furs who are too chicken-footed to post any comments of their own, so they resort to spewing their BS in replies instead.
"understand that even [peds] and [zoos] need community, support, and the right to artistic expression" I agree that people with mental illnesses deserve opportunities to get therapy and the help they need. But is it really so controversial to say they should be discouraged from doing what harms them? The best way for drug addicts to heal is with patience, will-power, support, and to stay away from the source of their problem, not by taking more drugs and telling themselves that there's actually nothing wrong. And no, I don't believe a zoo looking at questionable drawings of animals instead of questionable photos is the equivalent of a smoker taking nicotine.
"uwu I need my itty bitty emotional support dwug and dwinkie" just sounds like an addict slyly trying to get their fix while rationalizing it, frankly.
Very loosely related to zoo (for awareness' sake & not a gotcha; cens0rs bc YT is spicy), but, as somebody who has had addiction affect my family, there *are* cases where it's life-threatening to 100% remove someone from a substance /ever/. This happens especially with alcoh0I and 0p!0ds, where full withdrawal from 24/7 administering will cause the body's already fragile equilibrium to collapse completely. I've lost family who would've been in their 70-80s today this way, before it was common knowledge in the medical field. The difference here is that these peoples' bodies are permanently wired to the substance in question. Remove it from the equation, and their body enters a crisis it has no biological way of rectifying. Your body does not naturally make (unless you have an extremely rare disorder) either of the substances I've mentioned. You don't suffer the risk of passing in a horrific way if you stop messing around with animals. If you do, you've got a lot more problems than I think any medical professional is equipped to handle. Regardless, this is why I look at zoos less like people suffering from an addiction (a medical condition/socioeconomic issue), and more like what they are: People making excuses to do horrid things. Because, as Lago said, they know which definitions and terms to use, and which to conveniently ignore.
I don't think people have these attractions because of the existence of artwork, so avoiding it will not get rid of anything. Obviously people shouldnt be looking at it for hours a day ( the same goes for any nsfw content, because anything can become an addiction) but exploring these thoughts in a fantasy setting where thoughts are not acted upon IRL is ok, and can even be therapeutic. Therapy for these attractions involves self acceptance, not suppression, and there is no evidence to indicate that therapy or anything else can 'get rid of them,' people pretend that paraphilias are wholly different from sexualities but they work in the same way in the sense that they are unchosen and generally don't change, especially not through conscious choice. These people exist and will always exist so there is no choice but to find a way for these paraphilias to exist in a way that does not harm anyone. The most obvious answer to this is expression through fiction. Drug abuse is a physical act that harms the body. Thoughts, fantasies and artwork are not comparable
Furries are literally so not zoophiles that most sexual art of furries has to give them as many human sexual features as possible. Constant breasts even when not pregnant or rearing a child, abs, the genitals, and the overall proportions of nsfw furry art are pretty much exclusive to humans. As well, furries are stylised to look more humanlike with appealing features similar to how people like anime characters or Disney princesses. It's even a common joke in the MLP fandom that many artists in it don't know how to draw horses because the ponies look so different in the show than to the real thing.
My brain absolutely sorts actual dogs, stick drawings of dogs, and, say, the Road Rovers into discrete categories, even though I realize they're all technically "dogs."
@@dinosaysrawrif someone wears a playboy outfit you'll recognize it as a bunny. Ofc it'll remind you of said animal if it's based off of it. That doesn't mean it's still not different. Dogs don't stand on two legs, have thighs, and exclusive human body parts
11:31 Zoos still tryna get us with the "you're also into it too kinda" argument is mind-boggling to me. Like, if I said "I like thongs", the obvious implication from that is that "I like PEOPLE wearing thongs", not fuckin "Imma jork it to this thong lying on the floor". I'm confident the vast majority of furries think exactly the same, we like anthro animals because they're PEOPLE with animal traits, NOT THAT THEY'RE ANIMALS! Big difference is at least with schlonging it to clothing there isn't a life to traumatize and ruin because of your weird-ass paraphilia.
That and generally MOST times people use human genitalia for the anthropomorphic characters. Obviously there's outliers and it's hard to place that into either Grey zone or bording on zoo but like. Most furries IF they are involved in nsfw art, prefer human genitalia with the characters.
@@Its_Asteria I don't think this is true if you just look through any stream of art on furaffinity, e621, etc. I think most nsfw art is anatomically correct.
@@rowenhusky I think that mostly only counts for the ones that nearly everyone's ran into either because of research of some sort or because of shock factor infobrick throwing. Nearly everyone knows about the canines because of either werewolf smut or omegaverse. A helluva lot know about cats because "OW PAINFUL" shock factor. (Or Elder Scrolls, thank you Daggerfall for talking about Khajiit dongs.) Several people know about the snakes/reptiles' double things (that one's always anatomically incorrect though, people only get the "there's two" right but never that it everts and looks... distinctly not like what's in furry art), I learned the double thing because of NSFW art of Snakeman/Geminiman from an artist who never went anywhere near anthro fandoms, only robots. But you go into more niche knowledge and it isn't. most male bird furries should have cloacas unless they're from very specific families or clades, and even then they're not "true" like with humans. (I'll spare you anatomy lessons on bird junk.) Most shark furries, if they're paired with non-sharks or rays, should be doing it in reverse positions because their junk points toward their tails, both internal and external. And a WHOLE LOT MORE that I only know because I like to do spec evo when I worldbuild my monsters, even if the reproduction part never makes it out of my bestiary and into stories.
@@neoqwertyI mean, personally anatomy and biology is just one of my special interests, which makes it into all forms of my art. It doesn’t make someone a zoo 😓
Of course PeaceWolf and Jasonafex are commenting on this. It's totally in nature for people like them to see some (rightly) getting flack for a harmful belief they hold and going, yeah bro us too. Honestly, I'm surprised the Kabier herself wasn't commenting too considering she has the most in common with this guy.
30:52 As a therian, that actually made me feel very irate hearing him say that. Literally shouted "f*** you" at my laptop when I heard that. >.> It's one thing to be spiritually/mentally aligned with animals/creatures, and another thing altogether to be "attracted" to said animals/creatures. Stop trying to conflate those two distinctly different things to justify your stance, Cenny. Speaking for myself, I've never wanted to "do the hanky" with a fox just because I identify as one. (Honestly, I'd rather hook up with another therian/otherkin than ever consider going for "the real thing".) If one seriously has those urges, they need to seek mental help. Full stop.
I have the same stance tbh. I am attracted towards people who are animalistic, moreso than animals themselves. I'm just calling a spade a spade, the thoughts behind it are rooted in something that is zoophilic in nature if you wanna pretend to be a animal fucking another person pretending to be an animal, that primal/feral instinct stuff has overlap one would think no?
@@saywhaat595 Therianthropy is not a connection nor a "spirit animal" but an identity! Of course, a therian can HAVE a connection to the animal/nonhuman being they identify as, but just a connection is not therianthropy. So saying "I identify with" would not be therianthropy- but saying "I identify AS" is! It's not a strictly spiritual identity either, it can also be psychological. I hope that clears it up!
wasn't there a few studies out there that confirmed that paraphillic art (namely CP/Loli/shota etc) do nothing to keep those people from acting on said desires in real life and instead makes them more likely to act on it
Yes. There's a saying that goes along the lines of "Like leads to want and want leads to acting." This is because, like with drugs and certain other stuff, excessive exposure can lead to the "high" drifting off far enough that you need more in either quantity, or in this case, quality. At least from my understanding of psychology this seems to be the case. Always ask a professional to get the best answer.
@@fluffyflare578 yep. Like. Eventually art stops being enough and those people desire more and more. That's why some people have some WILD kinks/fetishes. Because of addiction and it gets worse and worse. Which I think occurs in paraphilias as well.
That's not what an asexual person is. Asexual people can still feel sexual. They just don't prefer to engage in it with other people as they find it uncomfortable and weird. They still feel it though and tend to do it alone.
So I write dark shit, only in adult communities who I believe can handle it but I write dark shit. Unfortunately this attracted a lot of ‘proshippers’ to me. And other people with takes grossly similar to that first person. The encouragement felt nice, wow someone else who’s willing to read my words without telling me to ‘tone it down’ when I couldn’t tone down my own lived experiences. But this whole concept of ‘all art should be praised’ utterly disgusts me. Because while I was writing about SA for the sake of storytelling and to put people in a survivor’s shoes, I was interacted a lot with by artist who did it… for pornographic purposes. Them even going so far as to CREDIT a piece I made as inspiration for their work. I hate the attempted mingling of uncomfortable art being the same as fetish art of the very things that shouldn’t be fetishized.
I was mutuals with Kroobs on twitter before everything happened and they left the internet. I agree with what you said about it coming from a place of wanting to be kind and support people but being super misplaced. From what I know and have witnessed they are not a predator nor support predatory behavior. On the furry twitter nsfw space there is a LOT of constant fighting and pointing fingers about liking what type of art means about you. We are talking people dissecting the dissecting if a anthro dog mouth is okay levels of realistic or too realistic. I’ve seen multiple people get burnt out on this and decide to either condemn all nsfw or accept all nsfw; something that isn’t productive and dangerous. People want to be accepting and kind to others but don’t understand that there is a limit to it and I think that’s where Kroobs fell. Acceptance of EVERYONE can lead to dangerous situations.
@@Sentanette in that case, if air touches other air particles does that make those air particles dry? Being "wet" describes something that is covered in liquids, not liquid itself. Try to split two glasses of water. Then, combine them. Would you say that the water you poured into the cup is making the other water wet? You would not say that a liquid makes another liquid wet. If you combine oil and water, is that making the water or the oil wet? So, in someone's subjective definition, water is wet. Colloquially (as in, how the word is actually used in daily conversation), water is not wet.
@@Sentanette Fair point about the air thing. But again, if you had a single drop of water on your fingertip, would you say that that water is covering itself with water? Are you referring to the molecular level? In that case, combining oil and water could mean that the oil is now "wet", but saying that combining water with water makes it wet is redundant. It's the same liquid, not another liquid. As for "saturated with", the word "saturated" means "holding as much water or moisture as can be absorbed; thoroughly soaked." This doesn't apply to water the liquid itself, but the way that water interacts with other materials. So again, the point ends up being: maybe in someone's definition, water is wet. But in terms of how we actually judge "wetness" as a concept, water isn't wet. Colloquially, wetness is in terms of how we interact with things that are normally meant to be dry. People don't warn you that the ocean is going to be wet, they warn you that the floor is going to be wet.
I can never take furry apology/defense videos seriously anymore. Like dude, you standing in VRChat World "Dark Cube 003 Dot FBX" in your $60 Julia Winterpaw avatar moving around like a high schooler in theater club... I can't deal with it lmfao
this is applicable to just life in general. People need to understand that seeking to gratify sensual desires needs to have restraint and control. Always trying to find pleasure will lead to addictions and can cause a want for more extreme sources of stimulation. We should look to be content with our life, being grateful for what you have and understanding we don't always need more. Try to lift up people around you. If you can find joy in caring for others, you'll be content. I don't want to love my life I just want to be content with it.
Here's the thing, it is but there are horrible people in it that need to be called out (ex: cookie run, a game that's mostly teens and such, there's a weird side to it, same for roblox) Idk what your trying to get at here because it is, there's just weirdos and such -15 yo furry
I really hate the comparisons to LGBT because with just the gay comparison that is something happening between two consenting adults that know what happens during sex and know what may happen as a result. Which is not the the same as with a dog whose only thoughts are likely nothing but wanting to play with what it treats as its protector. Animals cannot have the same understanding as us when it comes to intercourse. They don't do it because they like how it feels, they do it because their body tells it that it's time to have a new generation and they go after anything they can because they don't know the difference or have thoughts that would care. *hears jasonafex and peacewolf popped into the comments* I nearly spit out my drink when I heard that. And of course jasona's comment is a bloody wall of unhinged text with him ranting about stupid nonsense. How many places will he get kicked off due to his dumbass rants? Hopefully all of them honestly.
intercouse to animals is just a hormonal instinct theres no love, no desire for it, thats why they have zero reaction when there desexed no depresstion or anxiety thats why they have "heats" becuase evolution basically has to convince animals that won't actually benefit to have young, and then hormones to make them want to even raise them animals, dont care about sex like humans animals don't get fetishes so they cant even consider doing it to a human these people, LIKE the power imbalnce in my opinion there porn addicted unempathetic freaks with the critical thinking of a thumbtack and the personality of a cum sock especially cats, cats hate intercourse its always violent and male cats have barbed willys so its PAINFUL, its not for enjoyment when it comes to 90% of animals (some of the smarter ones are freaky), just procreation like its painful to even explain something so so obvious
The therian bit is absolutely foul. I'm a therian and there is not a single thing cennyhusky said that could even be considered correct. (I'm specifically a polytherian, with buzzard, wolf and Caucasian shepherd dog theriotypes and have been aware for nearing two year now) Being a Therian is different for every individual, as it is an identity solely based on individual experiences and feelings. It is not a sexuality, it is not based around attraction of ANY kind. The widely agreed upon definition of a therian is a person who identifies as a non-human on a personal level, within which there are many sub-sections (i.e. spiritual therians, psychological therians, otherkins etc.) To baselessly assume that you are an expert on an identity of which you have no experience interacting with or living with, is not only incredibly unfair but also damaging to the community. Therianthropy is already misunderstood greatly by the public, and to boldly state that therians are just zo0s is adding fuel to the already mounting fire of fearmongering going on. Being a therian fundamentally has NOTHING to do with attraction, in any capacity, it is about a persons experiences navigating the world. For me personally it is this feeling of never quite being human enough and always feeling more like an animal. Additionally, the way that cennyhusky talks about therians, as i interpreted it , is incredibly dismissive. He completely misses the mark on everything he says about us. At no point does he give the actual widely agreed upon definition of what a therian is, which can quite easily be found by googling it. This shows, at least partially, that he doesn't actually know what he's talking about, and simply wants to use therians as a scapegoat for the inherently disgusting ideology he's spouting. If not, then he is so lazy as to not check a simple definition that his negligence is adding to the undeserved bad rep the community already has. The therian community actively denounces z0os, and the flag has meaning behind it and is not for z0os who are trying to hide. The Theta in the symbol represents the word Therian and and the delta in the symbol represents change, so symbolizes shifts. It has nothing to do with he z0o flag, and never will. It is not a replacement flag for arguably one of the foulest groups of people to inhabit the internet ecosystem and its incredibly rude for cennyhusky to suddenly decide he is the one true voice for a community of people he has no connection to. The nonsense he spouted quite clearly shows that. Apologies for getting heated at the end, it just really grins my gears when people try and hurl the community under the bus. edit:( sorry for the long comment T-T )
Absolutely. I am a coyote therian and werewolf otherkin. Even if the situation is where a therian has zoophilic thoughts or tendencies, they are not a therian. They are just a zoophile hiding behind a label. Any therian has respect for animals and understands that animals view them as human. We are physically human and to deny that in an attempt to justify sleeping with an animal is disgusting and not at all what the community is about or represents. Edit: had to fix a word that autocorrect messed up
Trying to remember to come back to finish reading.. Trying to educate myself, so I can better support and advocate better for kid. Thanks in advance for sharing.
It's already hard enough for me on the internet who has an animal based xenogender (I think in my case it's different to being a therian) and I've received hundreds of hate comments for it. Luckily I haven't come across anyone calling me a zoo, they all just think that I think I'm an animal even when I explain that it's one of the only ways I can put my gender into words. Sorry people are so unkind to normal folk like you guys
The fact I followed Koobs for a long a** time, disappointed is an understatement. Its not that I held them in a pedestal I just expected them to have some human decency
Listen Lago, I (and hopefully others) Will never get tired, of being apart of the furry fandom- And hearing other furries make it clear that Zoophilia and Zoophiles aren't tolerated. Imo, this includes people who make feral NSFW/ESPECIALLY when the feral is IRL/existing animals, or animal accurate genitalia featured on them. Kind of tired of seeing just how normalized THIS specifically is, saying "Not zoophilic at all bro" when in reality, only reason people would be seeking out realistic animal porn, is because they like animal porn. Not really much else to explain why you want an actual anatomically correct in all sense dog, doing the deed art piece
I think conflating zoophilia with a preference for “anatomically correct” bits is missing the forest for the trees Part of what makes zoophilia wrong is the non-consensual nature of it, in an anthro furry context however the “animals” are basically fluffy humans with a humanoid anatomy, capable of consent. So on that foundation them having a sheathe and knot is more of an aesthetic thing on the same level as BadDragon toys or normie petplay. People turned on by Playboy Bunnies don’t want to fuck actual burrow dwellers
I don't think you should bring up baddragon in this context because they were going to livecast in the past- i.e. use actual animal genetalia to mold their products I agree....OVERALL, I still think it's weird but if it's solely on anthros I'm not gonna call people a zoophile.
@@axolotlfairy2473I find most people who say they think liking anthros r weird. Have ended up always finding one anthro attractive, they just don't admit it. This is why I never take anyone seriously when they say that, because it feels like they are reciting what they believe is right. Even tho anthros are humanoid and exclusively have human features because the humanoid features are the appeal.
@SimpleNicks Not Benji, obviously. Just can't imagine that someone made one of those youtube commentaries style videos and added memes in it to try to normalize damaging animals.
@@grenivor oh, makes more sense, i was confused and concerned for a moment. still am, but less confused and a lot more disturbed. that is messed up someone would do that
Is it just me, or are there a lot more cases popping up of popular influencers supporting zoophilia or pedophilia? I’ve been noticing this trend and to say I’m more then a little disturbed/concerned is an understatement
hey, never stop preaching truth, even if you say it a million times we need to make sure that certain things simply are never given the space to happen, pop off lago- you do great work
I’m barely a bit in and oh lordie it’s one of THESE art weirdos, the ones that hide behind the “Art is supposed to challenge the viewer! It’s good to have morally challenging art!” argument. Yes, I love and will always defend taboo topics portrayed in art. My favorite artworks, stories, etc. depict some of the darkest shit that life has ever inflicted. But this comes with the very reasonable caveat that I will personally never condone said horrendous shit in real life or glamorize it in fiction. One of my favorite manga of all time has graphic CSA, but this scene is notably NOT exciting or titillating, it’s portrayed in such a way that the viewer is meant to be revolted by what’s happening, and the negative consequences of this event ripple throughout the story. You can’t say drawing feral animals in a sexual manner in a vacuum is equivalent to that at all.
I feel like the argument of “well the dog wagged its tail it means it wants it” or similar arguments is like the same as assaulting someone and saying “well they looked aroused they must have wanted it 🤷♀️” like it just doesn’t check out.
People need to realise that the furry fandom isn't about wanting to bonk actual animals and never has been. Those who do need to have a long look at themselves. There's a big different between being attracted to a flesh-and-blood animal and a cartoon that can talk.
@@gomiggang I'm personally not a fan of feral, unless you mean characters like Simba and Nala, but I still consider them anthro because they're able to talk.
@@scientistservantAs far as we can tell, Simba and Nala are just normal lions that we understand since we're viewing their pov. Unless they canonically talk to a human, I personally consider them feral.
@@scientistservantthey are anthro, but they are different kinds of anthro. One anthro can consent and has the mindset of a human, walks like one, and can get a job. One is living in the wild, hunting, lives in a pride, and is walking on four legs. Stripped of all human features. Ofc they humanize it to make a good story. But still looks like a animal. I know it's a cartoon, but still. It leans more to questionable
As a therian I’m disgusted he even compared us to zoos- I don’t want to be a dog nor do I want to abuse animals. I do not have an attraction to them and I am a therian because I believe my soul is animalistic 😭
Cow Therian here, you pretty much nailed it on the head- i am a cow on every level except physical. when i picture myself in my head, i have big floppy ears, long horns, and a cow nose, along with a tail and hooves. I don't think he understand the concept of actually viewing yourself as an animal (within reason, i am aware that i am not physically a cow) =/= furry. I moo and lay in the grass because it brings me comfort to think about me actually being a cow. Very rarely do i come across another therian that involves their therian-ness with their sexual fantasies, and usually when they do, its just like a form of petplay, never involving the actual real life animal itself. people who equate Therians with Zoophiles show they lack understanding of what a therian *actually* is. anyways- moo.
It depends. For instance there are the many stories of anti-gay politicians being found in gay bars, pedo hunters getting a little frisky with minors, etc. But those are people who form their public persona around specific topics, where the furries who dislike zoophilia are just a group of normal furries doing normal furry things.
God I agree with this so much. In the community post that was hinting at the making of this video, showing the first part of kr00bs comment, people were saying the agree with it. When I told one of these comments about the further comments this person made- someone just said it made me look like a zoo and “creep”. Along with other… weird, to put it lightly, comments with another person of the same mindset.
@@odinlindeberg4624 , great example. Of course, the difference is where there's any evidence to support the hypothesis or claim that a person is just projecting their own closet skeletons onto somebody else, or whether someone's just flinging that classical accusation around willy-nilly as a form of cope. There's a fair bit of empirical and real-world evidence to suggest that a lot of transphobes and homophobes are indeed projecting, but the suggestion that anyone who strongly objects to child or animal abuse is just hiding how much they actually dig it strains credulity.
jfc none of these zoos seem capable of considering the "Harkness Test" - to them, banging an IRL dog is the same as having romantic inclinations towards Maid Marian from Disney's "Robin Hood". They INSIST on blurring if not erasing the line altogether, EVERY TIME.
There's multiple videos of actual psychologists discussing whether being sexually attracted to an anthro character is zoophilic or not (spoiler alert, it's not). Being attracted in some way or the other to an anthro character has nothing to do with zoophilia
i hate the stupid "oh but it's immoral to eat animals" or "but animals can't consent to being eaten" like dude, we have to eat animals for their nutrients, plus all of us (normal people) don't traumatize the animals that we harm.
It's been said and pretty much proven that liking animals the way the fandom can do dips it's toes slightly into zoophilia, but that doesn't mean people can't keep it fictional and understand that it's best kept that way. Regardless, the morality of the situation is really simple. Animals despite the ability to "show" desire cannot consent the same level that we can communicate, we don't have to intertwine the lack of consent to be meat, that is just us being atop the food chain and staying alive for it, that is different from doing stuff that you can't be for sure certain is okay which is purely for the pleasure of yourself and "maybe" the animal, that's why it's wrong. If animals could ever communicate properly, it would still be up for debate but at least not so grey and one sided, it's just weird largely due to the fact that animal cognitive abilities tend to not be higher than a 6-8 year old at best which is mostly why in general it's wrong. Although if some smart sexy furry anthro alien were to visit, there would be a lot to unpack but the idea of abuse is surely not as prevalent if at all.
We had jerks coming into the fandom back in the '90s promoting zoophilia, and when it was complained of we had other jerks yelling about how "bigoted" we were. When it wasn't that, it was convention organizers insisting no such thing was going on under their noses, as zoos sat down with reporters to declare they were using furry conventions as dating and networking hubs. I still remember gays and bisexuals being called "homophobic" because some of the zoos they were calling out also happened to be LGB. "T" didn't exist at the time, nor did the rest of the acronym, just for the record.
As someone outside the fandom, not knowing all these people, Knoobs Tweets seem to me more like a discussion about the fictional aspect of art, not the people trying excusing their rl behaviour or wants. And, personally, I don't even think Knoobs would be wrong if it was their intention, since there can be many reasons why to create disturbing art (Lolita, as an example, is often read wrong. Your not suppose to like the narrator at all - and still some people think it's romance) - and simply forbidding the topics in art won't stop abuse. However, as artists & writers, one must be aware what kind of followring you will attract. Any other person later in this discurse, simply seems to ignore the part of "fiction" and try to, once again, hickjack the conversation towards wanting acceptance for something that is clearly not okay - obviously. They just try to manipulate people into "we are the same as poor minority groups" when they ignore the whole topic of consent. So, my two cents. These are two different topics, the zoo-, and pedophiles just try to make it about them and RL acceptance again. Don't take the freaking bait
Had to go back and check, but March 23rd unbiased furry struggles posted a screenshot from Cennys twitter account with a "probably (zoo symbol)" in it.
The fact that this video even had to be made just deeply saddens me, it was thanks to freaks like Kero and ZtT that the fandom has yet another stereotype
"when do you stop viewing a person as a person and instead an abuser" my fucking lord my blood pressure went up as you were reading that. people are soooo brain dead guhhh
@@CircusSabre It sucks how the only videos I've seen on toonimal are from small channels and a guy who's flagged red by shinigami eyes I know Lagovirt says in this video he's not planning on making videos on creeps, but I hope it gets covered by some larger channel who isn't gonna use it as an excuse to be queerphobic
In these mask off situations I think it's important to make clear this isn't a 'furry' problem, this a human problem. Saying so-and-so did immoral and/or illegal thing is enough. We don't accept the argument for example that such-and-such went on a murder spree because they played violent videogames, because gamers en masse did not - overwhelmingly - do that. We don't condemn these wrong views because they are furry views, they are not. The error feels deliberate sometimes, so remember that people on the internet are often disingenuous, often insincere, often trolls and perhaps at *best* blinded by bigotry and hate. Suffice to say I don't take half this trash at face value. It would be groovey if we had a society prepared to cope with mental illness with compassion and pragmatism to eliminate or reduce harm but as we can see, right now we can barely hold a line.
I'm very glad that you're the one willing to make content like this because sensitive and incompetent people like me sure as hell never will. These people don't belong here and it makes me angry that this is something we even have to argue. Keep up the good work!
Very good video. I didn't know jason and peace commented on it. Honestly, beyond the obvious reason this stuff is terrible, the easiest furry argument for these people being the worse of humanity is that jason has an interest in them lol
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Yes
You're excused
for now.
Carmen?
Is that you?
Bait used to be believabl-HOLY SHIT IS THAT THE VOICE THAT DISTORTS?
CARMEN I KNEW YOUD BE HERE BECAUSE OF THE FUCKING LIMBUS MUSIC
“All art must be allowed” is fine in plain text, but people love to sneak in the sentiment of “all art must be accepted,” which is so not the same thing like come on now
the funniest part of the whole "protect all art" argument is that they are (rightfully so) vehemently against hate speech in art form, their whole argument is only there because they cant admit that people dont like pedos and zoos, and that liking those things are inherently wrong, but they dont actually mean "protect all art" its just what they are hiding behind
I don’t think all art should be allowedd
@@alpacaofthemountain8760 same, I don't think certain art like adult/minor and z00 should be allowed at ALL, people will use that for gross stuff if we allow it
On the one side we have the freedom of art, which is truly intouchable human right, but on the other side we have a degeneracy content like whitekitten and the similar stuff. Truly a dillema.
@@kathycollins3260 all art should be allowed and all art has a purpose.
Sometimes the purpose of some art is to be labelled as evil and destroyed.
Still, degeneracy needs to be first commited and underscored in order to teach the people what they should prune and destroy.
His “Ive never screwed a dog” speech is giving Shane Dawson
"I did NOT have sexual relations with that woman" kind of vibe
Kind of like Bill Clinton. But with a cat.
A classic Shane Dawson. Just denying.
@@CULT_OF_TRAGEDY wait Shane Dawson is one?!!! Welp we need to stop him
Also bad take my friend. Get rekt.
@@CULT_OF_TRAGEDY oh you are one of those types. Oh! Yeah one. He keeps up to date with the news and commentary. He even kept up with the Freefurall BS that happened in my home state. I LIVED 1 F**KING CITY OVER FROM THAT CON!!! And it was racist. Just look at their other content and then talk to me about it.
@@CULT_OF_TRAGEDY this has to be a bot
The mental gymnastics you gotta do to get to this point is enough to get you into the Olympics.
like i said in the live cha. spider-man cant even do that
@@CULT_OF_TRAGEDY what are you on about 😐
@@jaayseI don't think being trans is comparable to zooph*lia.
Also it's ironic to say that trans people don't belong in the furry community. The furry community itself is more often than not seen as more socially taboo than being trans. Furries (like myself) face significant social misconceptions and stigma and it's funny to think that a community familiar with being misunderstood and marginalized would exclude trans people, who also face similar societal challenges. The furry community is pretty well known for its inclusivity and diversity, is exactly the kind of place where trans people should and do belong.
And I'm assuming that you partake in the furry community yourself (being that you're commenting on a furry channel).
If so, you're stupid for even thinking this.
And get ban from the Olympics for what you believe in disgusting ideas.
I have a weird point here... my main thing is demons. You know those things that are not real. If you have ever bedded a demon or know someone who has I need their number. It is The Shape of Water argument.
It’s hilarious that Jasonafex came out to defend him. That guy is so pathetic.
"Our expectations for you were low but HOLY FUCK."
Edit: Rewatching the video after the stream, ofc their comments are just them playing victim. Neither of them has actually said anything regarding the video's topic however, so either they at least tolerate this ghoul or they're just simply trying to make it about themselves with crappy copy & paste stuff.
Jasonafex is still around?
@@Jump-Shackhe's been "Making" AI art recently...
@@notadragon4904 I thought him and his girlfriend knew how to draw so why would he bother using ai, unless he is just lazy of course.
@@Wonkydock26 his gf was always the better artist, he literally called himself the 'jitter tool king' for a while because his 'animations' were just him using the tweening tools on art kabier made
Now that flash is dead he's had to find some other low-skill way to maipulate art made by other people lmao
"x space should allow y member so that they can heal" is always such a baffling argument to me. Why is it the furry fandom's job to harbor and rehabilitate abusers? Since when is drawing animals synonymous with psychiatric charity work that few are truly capable of?
YES GOOD FUKING TAKE, also omg hi akechi pfp!
@@cerqii hello! Thank you!
They want to "heal" by engaging in the thing they're trying to "heal" from and having people tell them that thing is ok
It's like trying to fight depression by talking about how cool depression is and doing things that trigger depressive episodes on purpose
@@BonseyJonsey I’d go even a step further, it’s like trying to fight depression by self harming in a way that so succinctly perpetuates the problem that it becomes difficult to understand what you were trying to achieve in the first place. There is, and never will be, a single psychiatric case where a zoophile is cured by horse porn.
@@neodominoz2649exactly! It’ll enable it and being surrounded by further enablers will 10/10 make it so much worse!
If you are trying to heal, then you must step away! Do NOT surround yourself with people who can easily take advantage of you and enable you; saying that it’s okay and there’s nothing wrong with it when there clearly is.
People who have not acted on Zoophilia but know what they’re getting attracted to need immediate help before something worse happens! If you are an already convicted zoophile…uh….get fucking bent and go to jail! Maybe you’ll get the necessary help in prison 🤷♂️
Don't play chess with a pigeon. It'll shit all over the board and act like it won. And then Cenny will try to convince you its moral to fuck it while doing so himself.
yeah i would a pigeon
@@VEXAME go home, Cenny
@@VEXAME Realmente você é um vexame kkkk
and the sky is blue
And water is wet
LITERALLY SAID THE SAME THING THE MOMENT I CLICKED ON THE VIDEO.
@@realWTango And dry wall is a delicacy
Every sixty seconds in Africa, a minute passes
Not if you live in China
People are so quick to lump ANYTHING involving animals with the Furry fandom.
I understand that a lot of furries draw NSFW art which gives most people the wrong idea since they are s*xualised animal characters, but the fact that they're given human proportions for the sake of seeming attractive defeats the point of being a zooph*le. Plus they're just OCs. It doesn't reflect reality at all.
It's like a Skyrim Argonian situation. Soooo many non-scalies felt some kind of way when they read the "L*sty Argonian Maid" but they don't suddenly wanna go and f*ck a real life lizard.
"They are sexualized animal characters." That's called... zoophilia. Giving an animal human aspects does NOT negate the attraction to the animal aspects of those characters. If you are attracted to the human aspects, why watch furry NSFW? Because you are not attracted to the human aspects and are solely attracted to the animal aspects.
The level of cognitive dissonance you have to have to think that anthro animals are okay to sexualize but not regular animals is immense. If you have to give an animal human aspects so you feel better about being attracted to it, that is zoophilia with extra steps. Get fucking real.
The issue isn't trying to separate zoophilia and the furry fandom, it's already separated. The issue is people claiming things to be zoophilia when it isn't.
This.
The mental gymnastics that they go for is kinda funny. Zoophiles have the worst kind of mental gymnastics.
For example.
"I did not have s*xual relations with that puppy"
Every zoophile ever
I wanted to make fun of another famous quote of Bill Clinton.
And I rarely have a good take but this one is kind of like a Bill Clinton or Bill Cosby kind of thing. And the results are that they actually did the horrid deed.
my personal experience with the furry fandom disagrees
But im gonna let you share your take on it and expect the absolute worst
@@YourWaterDispenser my personal take is that zoophiles always go the Bill Clinton route and try to deny they did something suspicious with a dog, cat quokka or whatever they try things with. And every denial leads to them eventually being found out
Feral nsfw is zoophilia
Damn it, why do Jasonafex and Peacewolf have to insert themselves into this drama that had nothing to do with them with the worst takes? Why is it nearly everyone that got involved with FreeFurAll is completely insane?
They seek attention, any publicity is good publicity, even if it's negative.
@@GuineaPigDan they stepped in it because jason and kabs made a comic that was literally "protag finds stray dog and teaches it 'tricks' aka fucking them on command"
They (rightfully) caught flak for it being zoo content, so now naturally they have to insert themselves whenever it comes up
Also because scooping up people being called out to shelter them in their toxic space for indoctrination, it's textbook grooming, furry raider behavior
Those 2 are clout hungry asf and this is the only way for them to stay relevant
@@Yomushdidn’t they “quit” the furry community for “drama” years ago too? yeah sure buddy. almost like it wasn’t drama but all the credible allegations you’re a creep lol
No idea how these Zoos cannot comprehend the difference between consensual s*x between two adult men and non consensual s*x between a person and an animal. Like. I'm so confused why it's so hard for them to understand why being Lgbt+ and being a Zoo are entirely different??
Because they want to satisfy their desires *and* still consider themselves and be considered by others to be a "good person."
@@Quaggabagel No. No it can not.
@@Quaggabagela dog has hormonal instincts to hump, and often humping is dominance related. It is the responsibility of the human owner to discourage that behaviour, and recognise that it is not “consent”, it is merely an animal with instincts or behavioural issues that need to be corrected. Animals cannot consent, they do not have the intellect to understand consent.
@@Quaggabagel go get help
I suspect most of them do understand the difference they're just playing dumb.
there's something painfully comical about a conservative furry polycule. it's like saying "ice cold fire popsicle"
I know a furry who has a family, believes in traditional values and is a father of two with a wife whom he loves. There is something absurdly comical in knowing that some random technician you walk past on the streets wears old rugs in secred, in order to look like his imaginary dog persona.
It's giving me cognitive disonance, even if he's relatively normal (though he uses painting AI a lot, which is a flaw of character as far as I care).
or a hot cup of iced tea
i hate how welcome zoos feel in furry spaces. i wish as a fandom instead of just saying "every group has a few bad apples" we could instead actually have a discussion about this and find out not only why zoos find it so appealing, but why they see it as such a safe space.
Because they are like at least 30% of the fandom and run conventions.
I'd say the reason they find it appealing is pretty obvious, the fandom has to do with animals. There's also that different people have different opinions on what is ok and what is not, like some people have issues even with NSFW of anthropomorphic standing on two legs and actual speaking furries, while others argure that it looks like a feral animal but isn't because it acts like animals in a disney movie, they talk and act human like but just happen to look feral. Basically the seducing the dragon argurments, or a druid in bear form. Some people think feral sona's are problematic in and of themself. The amount of arguring what is and isn't ok, reminds me a lot of the loli argurments.
I think the furry fandom is seen as attractive to zoos because zoos, pretty "Duh, obviously" have an interest in animals, both fictional and real, and where would you find other people that are also into that stuff? fandoms and hobbies are one of the easiest ways. It's similar to how people who are into kids, often take parts in hobbies and fandoms that involve kids.
It's an issue, but what is the solution? how can you gatekeep those people out of a fandom? how do you get them away from a hobby? they can just hide that part of themself, you can't do anything against people before they do something, there is no such thing as mind reading. Most fandoms have problems like this, or similar to this, the furry fandom might have more zoos than other fandoms, but that makes logical sense, because of what the fandom is centered around.
I wish I could stop rambling so much.
I find the fandom comforting because i was a furry before I was ever a zoo, I probably don't share the same experience as everyone but my groomer was also in the fandom which is how I met them
They groomed me into zoophilia
Why do they find it appealing? Because the furry fandom is big and they like the content.
Why do they find it safe? Because the furry fandom is big and they like the content.
@@duxghost3985You're not one now though, right?
They not like us
They not like us
They not like us
They striking chords
and its prolly A-Minorrrrrr
Nice Kendrick Lamar lyrics there.
They really do be not like us.
The lady doth protest to much.
I think one of the most tragic part of this is that it even needs to be said.
Also uhhh.. Cenny's suit does have the mostly stereotypical zoophilic "thigh paw"...
What?
wat?
@@user-fv2zs1cu2o identifier that zoos use, the meaning behind it is really gross, if you see someone with it stear clear
Ok humor me a minute here because I'm not apart of the fandom but wtaf is a thigh paw?
I'm sorry, what's a thigh paw???
i don't know why it's so hard for people to understand that open zoos and pedos don't deserve coddling and positive support. they deserve help. sometimes the so-called "art that makes you uncomfortable" makes you uncomfortable for a good reason and doesn't deserve respect. it's not harmless weird stuff (eg, vore or general furry content) people should be worried about at all, positive depictions of csa and zoo content are actively anti-recovery and send the wrong message to both people who struggle with those attractions as well as people who don't. you can say it's just a coping mechanism, but that doesn't mean it's healthy. alcoholism is also a coping mechanism but that sure doesn't mean it's healthy.
These people only want gratification as they do what is wrong they don't want to change nor being called about it
Hell; the art that unsettles you, such as the 'Night Visitor', exists to unsettle you, not to let you get your rocks off. Depicting zoophilia as something sensual rather than an urge to abuse and traumatise animals is irrelevant to unsettling art with artistic merit.
I feel like bad actors have clung to "weird art" as a means of posting nasty views without really thinking about the ramifications of what they just posted.
Yeah, I'm very pro-personal-expression and pro-freedom-of-speech, but believe that art that merely depicts or explores something is different from art that seeks to espouse, champion, or model something, and we need to take care to not automatically conflate or confuse one type of art with the other.
You keep using paraphilia when you mean paraphilic disorder. Those are different things. Everyone over a certain age has paraphilias , they really shouldn't be mixed up .
wait whats the difference?
@@NightTheGlitch paraphilic disorders are related to anxiety disorders and intrusive thoughts. It differs from actual paraphiles as paraphilic disorders go against the person's morals and make them uncomfortable.
I have paraphilic disorder and im getting therapy to regulate my anxiety and intrusive thoughts.
@@dinosyracia ohh okay, ty! hope you get better!
I'm aroace, so I don't really interact with the sexual side of the fandom at all, but my two cents on the issue of zoophilia are that it is an issue because real life animals inherently lack the ability to consent to either romantic or sexual relationships (as you can have one without the other, so I separate them). It does not matter to me if someone does not have a sexual interest in their pet, it is still a problem if they have a romantic interest because like a child, an animal cannot consent. At its core, the difference between anthro sexualization and zoophilia is that ability to consent, which imagined characters can because they only exist in the minds of their creators. The real problem for me starts getting into the grey line between them, where you have feral physically but anthro mentally characters (like disney characteds from Lion King). I don't think I have an informed enough perspective on that to argue and point (as I am aroace and an outside perspective) so I won't, however.
Correction. Zoophilia doesn't belong ANYWHERE!
Correction paraphilic attitudes shouldn't be allowed anywhere
Agreed whit both. Paraphilias should be treated, not glorified.
therians being called "zoo-lite" pissed me off so much. as someone whose identified as otherkin and therian since 12, the idea isnt that youre attracted to animals in any way.
the idea is that in some way, in all levels except physical, you are a [INSERT ANIMAL], whether that be spiritual or heavily emotional. regardless of how much therians and otherkin may find comfort in behaving like whatever animal they identify with (im a canine, so say, id let my partner pat me on the head) doesnt mean we dont also understand we are PHYSICALLY and MENTALLY currently human. otherkin/therians are not screwing real animals because they identify with one, because we know we arent CURRENTLY one, even if just not entirely.
tldr: turning the idea of "i choose to reject identifying as human and identify as an animal" into "well CLEARLY you must be attracted to that animal too, right? and want to screw one?" really makes you think about whatever the fuck cenny has going on inside that head, and its not very pretty
yeah, as a grey fox therian i know fully well i still have a human body and brain that can understand complex concepts and consent unlike a non human animal which can’t. just because i have psychological shifts, phantom limb and animal urges doesn’t make it nearly alright or not disgusting to think a bio animal can consent. i can’t understand how someone can find them attractive but even if you do it just means you need to seek PROFESSIONAL help and not try to involve that into a fandom where good people are and it especially means you shouldn’t try and pass it off as alright or indulge in it.
it’s also messed up to drag the furry fandom into that or even puppy play. it’s different, as so so many people have already discussed.
even those of us who identify with it on a physical level(i personally do out of delusions) do not condone zoophilia
THISSS, I WAS SO MAD WHEN HE BROUGHT IT UP
"The therian symbol is the new zoo symbol" WHAT ARE YOU ON????? 😭
I'm not a therian but I really like doing research on it and engage in the community
this is that patricia taxxon type of therianism
@@j.kkidding9764 so real
24:19 "No, no, officer please, the child was leading me on."
"Not all pedos are abusers" i beg the differ. If you want to do things to children you are NASTY
You are a dumbass and your way of thinking is that of a fascist.
There's a difference between action and intrusive thoughts. We all have intrusive thought and bad things we wonna do, but thoughts do not make someone an abuser.
@@Phoenix.Sparkles it's not intrusive thoughts (ik cuz I gave intrusive thoughts) it's a sick and disgusting attraction
@@kathycollins3260 And yet there is a difference between someone who acts on it and someone who actually seeks help. Ultimately they didn't "choose" what they are attracted to. But they can choose if they act on it or not.
@@Phoenix.SparklesIntrusive thoughts aren’t something you want to do. Just a correction!
This video title is great because its correct and directly to the point
exactly, exact, and a very welcome statement.
@@WalkingNeonCarpet Unfortunately it's also been hijacked as a dogwhistle by anti-furs who are too chicken-footed to post any comments of their own, so they resort to spewing their BS in replies instead.
"understand that even [peds] and [zoos] need community, support, and the right to artistic expression" I agree that people with mental illnesses deserve opportunities to get therapy and the help they need. But is it really so controversial to say they should be discouraged from doing what harms them? The best way for drug addicts to heal is with patience, will-power, support, and to stay away from the source of their problem, not by taking more drugs and telling themselves that there's actually nothing wrong. And no, I don't believe a zoo looking at questionable drawings of animals instead of questionable photos is the equivalent of a smoker taking nicotine.
"uwu I need my itty bitty emotional support dwug and dwinkie" just sounds like an addict slyly trying to get their fix while rationalizing it, frankly.
Very loosely related to zoo (for awareness' sake & not a gotcha; cens0rs bc YT is spicy), but, as somebody who has had addiction affect my family, there *are* cases where it's life-threatening to 100% remove someone from a substance /ever/. This happens especially with alcoh0I and 0p!0ds, where full withdrawal from 24/7 administering will cause the body's already fragile equilibrium to collapse completely. I've lost family who would've been in their 70-80s today this way, before it was common knowledge in the medical field.
The difference here is that these peoples' bodies are permanently wired to the substance in question. Remove it from the equation, and their body enters a crisis it has no biological way of rectifying. Your body does not naturally make (unless you have an extremely rare disorder) either of the substances I've mentioned.
You don't suffer the risk of passing in a horrific way if you stop messing around with animals.
If you do, you've got a lot more problems than I think any medical professional is equipped to handle.
Regardless, this is why I look at zoos less like people suffering from an addiction (a medical condition/socioeconomic issue), and more like what they are:
People making excuses to do horrid things. Because, as Lago said, they know which definitions and terms to use, and which to conveniently ignore.
I don't think people have these attractions because of the existence of artwork, so avoiding it will not get rid of anything. Obviously people shouldnt be looking at it for hours a day ( the same goes for any nsfw content, because anything can become an addiction) but exploring these thoughts in a fantasy setting where thoughts are not acted upon IRL is ok, and can even be therapeutic.
Therapy for these attractions involves self acceptance, not suppression, and there is no evidence to indicate that therapy or anything else can 'get rid of them,' people pretend that paraphilias are wholly different from sexualities but they work in the same way in the sense that they are unchosen and generally don't change, especially not through conscious choice. These people exist and will always exist so there is no choice but to find a way for these paraphilias to exist in a way that does not harm anyone. The most obvious answer to this is expression through fiction.
Drug abuse is a physical act that harms the body. Thoughts, fantasies and artwork are not comparable
Furries are literally so not zoophiles that most sexual art of furries has to give them as many human sexual features as possible. Constant breasts even when not pregnant or rearing a child, abs, the genitals, and the overall proportions of nsfw furry art are pretty much exclusive to humans.
As well, furries are stylised to look more humanlike with appealing features similar to how people like anime characters or Disney princesses.
It's even a common joke in the MLP fandom that many artists in it don't know how to draw horses because the ponies look so different in the show than to the real thing.
My brain absolutely sorts actual dogs, stick drawings of dogs, and, say, the Road Rovers into discrete categories, even though I realize they're all technically "dogs."
@@dinosaysrawrif someone wears a playboy outfit you'll recognize it as a bunny. Ofc it'll remind you of said animal if it's based off of it. That doesn't mean it's still not different.
Dogs don't stand on two legs, have thighs, and exclusive human body parts
staring at the clock to make the premiere come sooner
11:31 Zoos still tryna get us with the "you're also into it too kinda" argument is mind-boggling to me.
Like, if I said "I like thongs", the obvious implication from that is that "I like PEOPLE wearing thongs", not fuckin "Imma jork it to this thong lying on the floor". I'm confident the vast majority of furries think exactly the same, we like anthro animals because they're PEOPLE with animal traits, NOT THAT THEY'RE ANIMALS!
Big difference is at least with schlonging it to clothing there isn't a life to traumatize and ruin because of your weird-ass paraphilia.
I like them cause they are animals with people traits (literally definition of anthropomorphic animals)! But tomato tomato.
That and generally MOST times people use human genitalia for the anthropomorphic characters.
Obviously there's outliers and it's hard to place that into either Grey zone or bording on zoo but like.
Most furries IF they are involved in nsfw art, prefer human genitalia with the characters.
@@Its_Asteria I don't think this is true if you just look through any stream of art on furaffinity, e621, etc. I think most nsfw art is anatomically correct.
@@rowenhusky I think that mostly only counts for the ones that nearly everyone's ran into either because of research of some sort or because of shock factor infobrick throwing.
Nearly everyone knows about the canines because of either werewolf smut or omegaverse.
A helluva lot know about cats because "OW PAINFUL" shock factor. (Or Elder Scrolls, thank you Daggerfall for talking about Khajiit dongs.)
Several people know about the snakes/reptiles' double things (that one's always anatomically incorrect though, people only get the "there's two" right but never that it everts and looks... distinctly not like what's in furry art), I learned the double thing because of NSFW art of Snakeman/Geminiman from an artist who never went anywhere near anthro fandoms, only robots.
But you go into more niche knowledge and it isn't. most male bird furries should have cloacas unless they're from very specific families or clades, and even then they're not "true" like with humans. (I'll spare you anatomy lessons on bird junk.) Most shark furries, if they're paired with non-sharks or rays, should be doing it in reverse positions because their junk points toward their tails, both internal and external.
And a WHOLE LOT MORE that I only know because I like to do spec evo when I worldbuild my monsters, even if the reproduction part never makes it out of my bestiary and into stories.
@@neoqwertyI mean, personally anatomy and biology is just one of my special interests, which makes it into all forms of my art. It doesn’t make someone a zoo 😓
I wish zoos would put in the same effort Jerry rigging arguments defending animal abuse into not diddying the family dog.
well sex and sexual abuse are two different things
@@user-fv2zs1cu2o feel like with animals there isnt really a difference
Of course PeaceWolf and Jasonafex are commenting on this. It's totally in nature for people like them to see some (rightly) getting flack for a harmful belief they hold and going, yeah bro us too.
Honestly, I'm surprised the Kabier herself wasn't commenting too considering she has the most in common with this guy.
I can't decide what annoys me more. Poodle noodle touchers or Koobs' first tweet just stopping at "the"
30:52 As a therian, that actually made me feel very irate hearing him say that. Literally shouted "f*** you" at my laptop when I heard that. >.>
It's one thing to be spiritually/mentally aligned with animals/creatures, and another thing altogether to be "attracted" to said animals/creatures. Stop trying to conflate those two distinctly different things to justify your stance, Cenny. Speaking for myself, I've never wanted to "do the hanky" with a fox just because I identify as one. (Honestly, I'd rather hook up with another therian/otherkin than ever consider going for "the real thing".) If one seriously has those urges, they need to seek mental help. Full stop.
I have the same stance tbh. I am attracted towards people who are animalistic, moreso than animals themselves. I'm just calling a spade a spade, the thoughts behind it are rooted in something that is zoophilic in nature if you wanna pretend to be a animal fucking another person pretending to be an animal, that primal/feral instinct stuff has overlap one would think no?
EXACTLY
Btw is being a therian like having a spirit animal or is it more of a European druidic thing?
@@saywhaat595 Therianthropy is not a connection nor a "spirit animal" but an identity! Of course, a therian can HAVE a connection to the animal/nonhuman being they identify as, but just a connection is not therianthropy. So saying "I identify with" would not be therianthropy- but saying "I identify AS" is! It's not a strictly spiritual identity either, it can also be psychological. I hope that clears it up!
@@saywhaat595 It's like some innate feeling of identity as I've heard
Kinda crazy that we even need a video to explain this.
ten bucks says Cenny is gonna be a GoH at a future Free Fur All
Nice PFP, are you the artist?
Assuming there's even going to be one after last time.
@@SilverTriforce25 I am! If you're feeling generous, I have commissions open
wasn't there a few studies out there that confirmed that paraphillic art (namely CP/Loli/shota etc) do nothing to keep those people from acting on said desires in real life and instead makes them more likely to act on it
Yes. There's a saying that goes along the lines of "Like leads to want and want leads to acting." This is because, like with drugs and certain other stuff, excessive exposure can lead to the "high" drifting off far enough that you need more in either quantity, or in this case, quality. At least from my understanding of psychology this seems to be the case. Always ask a professional to get the best answer.
I haven't seen any studies like that.
I haven't seen anything abt that
@@arandomidiot1593they do exist though
@@fluffyflare578 yep. Like. Eventually art stops being enough and those people desire more and more. That's why some people have some WILD kinks/fetishes. Because of addiction and it gets worse and worse. Which I think occurs in paraphilias as well.
Its giving "i did not have sexual relations with that dog" vibes
im asexual, so when people call me a Zoo i get confused bc i dont sexually feel anything anywhere.
That's not what an asexual person is. Asexual people can still feel sexual. They just don't prefer to engage in it with other people as they find it uncomfortable and weird. They still feel it though and tend to do it alone.
So I write dark shit, only in adult communities who I believe can handle it but I write dark shit.
Unfortunately this attracted a lot of ‘proshippers’ to me. And other people with takes grossly similar to that first person.
The encouragement felt nice, wow someone else who’s willing to read my words without telling me to ‘tone it down’ when I couldn’t tone down my own lived experiences.
But this whole concept of ‘all art should be praised’ utterly disgusts me. Because while I was writing about SA for the sake of storytelling and to put people in a survivor’s shoes, I was interacted a lot with by artist who did it… for pornographic purposes. Them even going so far as to CREDIT a piece I made as inspiration for their work.
I hate the attempted mingling of uncomfortable art being the same as fetish art of the very things that shouldn’t be fetishized.
32:05 People with sheep fursonas: **Sad sheep noises**
I feel this so bad lol
25:00
0:05 Miss Carmen... I believe that's not exactly the case. The path hasn't ended, and I finally see clearly where I should go.
I was mutuals with Kroobs on twitter before everything happened and they left the internet. I agree with what you said about it coming from a place of wanting to be kind and support people but being super misplaced. From what I know and have witnessed they are not a predator nor support predatory behavior. On the furry twitter nsfw space there is a LOT of constant fighting and pointing fingers about liking what type of art means about you. We are talking people dissecting the dissecting if a anthro dog mouth is okay levels of realistic or too realistic. I’ve seen multiple people get burnt out on this and decide to either condemn all nsfw or accept all nsfw; something that isn’t productive and dangerous. People want to be accepting and kind to others but don’t understand that there is a limit to it and I think that’s where Kroobs fell. Acceptance of EVERYONE can lead to dangerous situations.
Zoophilia doesn't belong in the furry fandom. Also, water is wet.
Water isn't wet. Water makes other things wet.
@@ettaetta439 If water is touching itself it is wet.
@@Sentanette in that case, if air touches other air particles does that make those air particles dry? Being "wet" describes something that is covered in liquids, not liquid itself.
Try to split two glasses of water. Then, combine them. Would you say that the water you poured into the cup is making the other water wet?
You would not say that a liquid makes another liquid wet. If you combine oil and water, is that making the water or the oil wet? So, in someone's subjective definition, water is wet. Colloquially (as in, how the word is actually used in daily conversation), water is not wet.
@@ettaetta439 2 things
1 - Air doesn't make things dry
2 - If water is touching itself it is wet, as wet means covered or saturated in another liquid.
@@Sentanette Fair point about the air thing. But again, if you had a single drop of water on your fingertip, would you say that that water is covering itself with water? Are you referring to the molecular level? In that case, combining oil and water could mean that the oil is now "wet", but saying that combining water with water makes it wet is redundant. It's the same liquid, not another liquid.
As for "saturated with", the word "saturated" means "holding as much water or moisture as can be absorbed; thoroughly soaked." This doesn't apply to water the liquid itself, but the way that water interacts with other materials.
So again, the point ends up being: maybe in someone's definition, water is wet. But in terms of how we actually judge "wetness" as a concept, water isn't wet. Colloquially, wetness is in terms of how we interact with things that are normally meant to be dry. People don't warn you that the ocean is going to be wet, they warn you that the floor is going to be wet.
I can never take furry apology/defense videos seriously anymore. Like dude, you standing in VRChat World "Dark Cube 003 Dot FBX" in your $60 Julia Winterpaw avatar moving around like a high schooler in theater club... I can't deal with it lmfao
IS THAT CARMEN FROM THE HITGAME LOBOTOMY CORPORATION
Where
this is applicable to just life in general. People need to understand that seeking to gratify sensual desires needs to have restraint and control. Always trying to find pleasure will lead to addictions and can cause a want for more extreme sources of stimulation. We should look to be content with our life, being grateful for what you have and understanding we don't always need more. Try to lift up people around you. If you can find joy in caring for others, you'll be content. I don't want to love my life I just want to be content with it.
furries say that the furry community is "is for all the ages"
and as a 14 year old teenager furry, this is getting out of control.
Here's the thing, it is but there are horrible people in it that need to be called out (ex: cookie run, a game that's mostly teens and such, there's a weird side to it, same for roblox)
Idk what your trying to get at here because it is, there's just weirdos and such
-15 yo furry
@@kathycollins3260wait what happened with cookie run
On today's episode of _Why the F@$k is This Even a Debate_
I really hate the comparisons to LGBT because with just the gay comparison that is something happening between two consenting adults that know what happens during sex and know what may happen as a result. Which is not the the same as with a dog whose only thoughts are likely nothing but wanting to play with what it treats as its protector. Animals cannot have the same understanding as us when it comes to intercourse. They don't do it because they like how it feels, they do it because their body tells it that it's time to have a new generation and they go after anything they can because they don't know the difference or have thoughts that would care.
*hears jasonafex and peacewolf popped into the comments* I nearly spit out my drink when I heard that. And of course jasona's comment is a bloody wall of unhinged text with him ranting about stupid nonsense. How many places will he get kicked off due to his dumbass rants? Hopefully all of them honestly.
intercouse to animals is just a hormonal instinct theres no love, no desire for it, thats why they have zero reaction when there desexed no depresstion or anxiety
thats why they have "heats" becuase evolution basically has to convince animals that won't actually benefit to have young, and then hormones to make them want to even raise them
animals, dont care about sex like humans animals don't get fetishes so they cant even consider doing it to a human
these people, LIKE the power imbalnce in my opinion
there porn addicted unempathetic freaks with the critical thinking of a thumbtack and the personality of a cum sock
especially cats, cats hate intercourse its always violent and male cats have barbed willys so its PAINFUL, its not for enjoyment when it comes to 90% of animals (some of the smarter ones are freaky), just procreation
like its painful to even explain something so so obvious
“All furries have some form of zoophilia”
Me, a sex repulsed asexual furry: I guess I’m not a furry?
The therian bit is absolutely foul. I'm a therian and there is not a single thing cennyhusky said that could even be considered correct. (I'm specifically a polytherian, with buzzard, wolf and Caucasian shepherd dog theriotypes and have been aware for nearing two year now)
Being a Therian is different for every individual, as it is an identity solely based on individual experiences and feelings.
It is not a sexuality, it is not based around attraction of ANY kind. The widely agreed upon definition of a therian is a person who identifies as a non-human on a personal level, within which there are many sub-sections (i.e. spiritual therians, psychological therians, otherkins etc.)
To baselessly assume that you are an expert on an identity of which you have no experience interacting with or living with, is not only incredibly unfair but also damaging to the community. Therianthropy is already misunderstood greatly by the public, and to boldly state that therians are just zo0s is adding fuel to the already mounting fire of fearmongering going on. Being a therian fundamentally has NOTHING to do with attraction, in any capacity, it is about a persons experiences navigating the world. For me personally it is this feeling of never quite being human enough and always feeling more like an animal.
Additionally, the way that cennyhusky talks about therians, as i interpreted it , is incredibly dismissive. He completely misses the mark on everything he says about us. At no point does he give the actual widely agreed upon definition of what a therian is, which can quite easily be found by googling it. This shows, at least partially, that he doesn't actually know what he's talking about, and simply wants to use therians as a scapegoat for the inherently disgusting ideology he's spouting. If not, then he is so lazy as to not check a simple definition that his negligence is adding to the undeserved bad rep the community already has.
The therian community actively denounces z0os, and the flag has meaning behind it and is not for z0os who are trying to hide. The Theta in the symbol represents the word Therian and and the delta in the symbol represents change, so symbolizes shifts. It has nothing to do with he z0o flag, and never will. It is not a replacement flag for arguably one of the foulest groups of people to inhabit the internet ecosystem and its incredibly rude for cennyhusky to suddenly decide he is the one true voice for a community of people he has no connection to. The nonsense he spouted quite clearly shows that.
Apologies for getting heated at the end, it just really grins my gears when people try and hurl the community under the bus.
edit:( sorry for the long comment T-T )
Absolutely. I am a coyote therian and werewolf otherkin. Even if the situation is where a therian has zoophilic thoughts or tendencies, they are not a therian. They are just a zoophile hiding behind a label. Any therian has respect for animals and understands that animals view them as human. We are physically human and to deny that in an attempt to justify sleeping with an animal is disgusting and not at all what the community is about or represents.
Edit: had to fix a word that autocorrect messed up
Trying to remember to come back to finish reading..
Trying to educate myself, so I can better support and advocate better for kid.
Thanks in advance for sharing.
Thank you! Would've commented something similar myself
It's already hard enough for me on the internet who has an animal based xenogender (I think in my case it's different to being a therian) and I've received hundreds of hate comments for it. Luckily I haven't come across anyone calling me a zoo, they all just think that I think I'm an animal even when I explain that it's one of the only ways I can put my gender into words. Sorry people are so unkind to normal folk like you guys
@@clownRatcity Would you mind talking more about that? So you don't actually feel like the animal but relate to it's concept of gender?
The fact I followed Koobs for a long a** time, disappointed is an understatement. Its not that I held them in a pedestal I just expected them to have some human decency
you literally are falling for baby brained propaganda from a guy who didn't even understand what Kroobs was saying.
Listen Lago, I (and hopefully others) Will never get tired, of being apart of the furry fandom- And hearing other furries make it clear that Zoophilia and Zoophiles aren't tolerated.
Imo, this includes people who make feral NSFW/ESPECIALLY when the feral is IRL/existing animals, or animal accurate genitalia featured on them. Kind of tired of seeing just how normalized THIS specifically is, saying "Not zoophilic at all bro" when in reality, only reason people would be seeking out realistic animal porn, is because they like animal porn. Not really much else to explain why you want an actual anatomically correct in all sense dog, doing the deed art piece
I think conflating zoophilia with a preference for “anatomically correct” bits is missing the forest for the trees
Part of what makes zoophilia wrong is the non-consensual nature of it, in an anthro furry context however the “animals” are basically fluffy humans with a humanoid anatomy, capable of consent. So on that foundation them having a sheathe and knot is more of an aesthetic thing on the same level as BadDragon toys or normie petplay.
People turned on by Playboy Bunnies don’t want to fuck actual burrow dwellers
I think it's one of those assumptions that we need to check before leaping to conclusions, at least.
I don't think you should bring up baddragon in this context because they were going to livecast in the past- i.e. use actual animal genetalia to mold their products
I agree....OVERALL, I still think it's weird but if it's solely on anthros I'm not gonna call people a zoophile.
@@axolotlfairy2473I find most people who say they think liking anthros r weird. Have ended up always finding one anthro attractive, they just don't admit it. This is why I never take anyone seriously when they say that, because it feels like they are reciting what they believe is right.
Even tho anthros are humanoid and exclusively have human features because the humanoid features are the appeal.
No way that someone made a youtube essay just to defend zoophilia
d-defend?
dude i think ur a lil bit mixed up, the title wasn’t sarcasm it is quite literally literal
edit: or am i mixed up and missing context lol
@SimpleNicks Not Benji, obviously. Just can't imagine that someone made one of those youtube commentaries style videos and added memes in it to try to normalize damaging animals.
@@grenivor oh, makes more sense, i was confused and concerned for a moment. still am, but less confused and a lot more disturbed. that is messed up someone would do that
@WalkingNeonCarpet Yeah, I shouldn't be so vague next time lol
Is it just me, or are there a lot more cases popping up of popular influencers supporting zoophilia or pedophilia? I’ve been noticing this trend and to say I’m more then a little disturbed/concerned is an understatement
This means that more people are into this stuff than people want to admit.
I can never take anyone seriously when they try to debunk serious allegations by going onto VRChat and talking with their fursona avatar
hey, never stop preaching truth, even if you say it a million times we need to make sure that certain things simply are never given the space to happen, pop off lago- you do great work
I’m barely a bit in and oh lordie it’s one of THESE art weirdos, the ones that hide behind the “Art is supposed to challenge the viewer! It’s good to have morally challenging art!” argument.
Yes, I love and will always defend taboo topics portrayed in art. My favorite artworks, stories, etc. depict some of the darkest shit that life has ever inflicted. But this comes with the very reasonable caveat that I will personally never condone said horrendous shit in real life or glamorize it in fiction. One of my favorite manga of all time has graphic CSA, but this scene is notably NOT exciting or titillating, it’s portrayed in such a way that the viewer is meant to be revolted by what’s happening, and the negative consequences of this event ripple throughout the story. You can’t say drawing feral animals in a sexual manner in a vacuum is equivalent to that at all.
The part where he said he likes horses made me feel an almost primal amount of fear. I still remember Mr. Hands.
I feel like the argument of “well the dog wagged its tail it means it wants it” or similar arguments is like the same as assaulting someone and saying “well they looked aroused they must have wanted it 🤷♀️” like it just doesn’t check out.
*Im glad I blocked Hypnotist Sappho and Coyote also Jasonafex and Kabier because they don’t belong on social media😡🚫*
People need to realise that the furry fandom isn't about wanting to bonk actual animals and never has been. Those who do need to have a long look at themselves. There's a big different between being attracted to a flesh-and-blood animal and a cartoon that can talk.
What is feral porn and why has it been prevalent for literal decades? 😂
@@gomiggang I'm personally not a fan of feral, unless you mean characters like Simba and Nala, but I still consider them anthro because they're able to talk.
@@scientistservantAs far as we can tell, Simba and Nala are just normal lions that we understand since we're viewing their pov. Unless they canonically talk to a human, I personally consider them feral.
@@Jay-k89 I guess that's fair, haha. I just call any cartoon animal that can talk, walking on two legs or not, anthro.
@@scientistservantthey are anthro, but they are different kinds of anthro. One anthro can consent and has the mindset of a human, walks like one, and can get a job.
One is living in the wild, hunting, lives in a pride, and is walking on four legs. Stripped of all human features. Ofc they humanize it to make a good story. But still looks like a animal. I know it's a cartoon, but still. It leans more to questionable
"not all abusers are abusers" is a wildly shitty take
Wood chippers should have a place in our community
As a therian I’m disgusted he even compared us to zoos- I don’t want to be a dog nor do I want to abuse animals. I do not have an attraction to them and I am a therian because I believe my soul is animalistic 😭
Bro I felt! It's just BLEHHH
Cow Therian here, you pretty much nailed it on the head- i am a cow on every level except physical. when i picture myself in my head, i have big floppy ears, long horns, and a cow nose, along with a tail and hooves. I don't think he understand the concept of actually viewing yourself as an animal (within reason, i am aware that i am not physically a cow) =/= furry. I moo and lay in the grass because it brings me comfort to think about me actually being a cow. Very rarely do i come across another therian that involves their therian-ness with their sexual fantasies, and usually when they do, its just like a form of petplay, never involving the actual real life animal itself. people who equate Therians with Zoophiles show they lack understanding of what a therian *actually* is.
anyways- moo.
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Moo.
That sounds so nice I am happy for you 🩷🐮
I hate the argument these types always pull. "If you criticize x, it must mean you secretly like x" or "calling out x is actually very x of you."
It depends. For instance there are the many stories of anti-gay politicians being found in gay bars, pedo hunters getting a little frisky with minors, etc.
But those are people who form their public persona around specific topics, where the furries who dislike zoophilia are just a group of normal furries doing normal furry things.
God I agree with this so much. In the community post that was hinting at the making of this video, showing the first part of kr00bs comment, people were saying the agree with it. When I told one of these comments about the further comments this person made- someone just said it made me look like a zoo and “creep”. Along with other… weird, to put it lightly, comments with another person of the same mindset.
@@odinlindeberg4624 , great example.
Of course, the difference is where there's any evidence to support the hypothesis or claim that a person is just projecting their own closet skeletons onto somebody else, or whether someone's just flinging that classical accusation around willy-nilly as a form of cope.
There's a fair bit of empirical and real-world evidence to suggest that a lot of transphobes and homophobes are indeed projecting, but the suggestion that anyone who strongly objects to child or animal abuse is just hiding how much they actually dig it strains credulity.
the way i clicked this thinkining it was talking about that one vivziepop video because i misread the title and was flabbergasted
Zoophobia and zoophilia is nearly the opposite in meaning, but wayyyy too close in letters lmao
jfc none of these zoos seem capable of considering the "Harkness Test" - to them, banging an IRL dog is the same as having romantic inclinations towards Maid Marian from Disney's "Robin Hood". They INSIST on blurring if not erasing the line altogether, EVERY TIME.
There's multiple videos of actual psychologists discussing whether being sexually attracted to an anthro character is zoophilic or not (spoiler alert, it's not).
Being attracted in some way or the other to an anthro character has nothing to do with zoophilia
why does cenny move like he's in an obscure ps2 jrpg's cutscene
i hate the stupid "oh but it's immoral to eat animals" or "but animals can't consent to being eaten" like dude, we have to eat animals for their nutrients, plus all of us (normal people) don't traumatize the animals that we harm.
It's been said and pretty much proven that liking animals the way the fandom can do dips it's toes slightly into zoophilia, but that doesn't mean people can't keep it fictional and understand that it's best kept that way.
Regardless, the morality of the situation is really simple. Animals despite the ability to "show" desire cannot consent the same level that we can communicate, we don't have to intertwine the lack of consent to be meat, that is just us being atop the food chain and staying alive for it, that is different from doing stuff that you can't be for sure certain is okay which is purely for the pleasure of yourself and "maybe" the animal, that's why it's wrong.
If animals could ever communicate properly, it would still be up for debate but at least not so grey and one sided, it's just weird largely due to the fact that animal cognitive abilities tend to not be higher than a 6-8 year old at best which is mostly why in general it's wrong.
Although if some smart sexy furry anthro alien were to visit, there would be a lot to unpack but the idea of abuse is surely not as prevalent if at all.
THE CARMEN JUMPSCARE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE VIDEO 😭😭😭
boohoo this city won’t change to in 400000 meters turn right
"Is that even a human?"
distorted the moment I saw her 🔥
“Hello, Christ?? Now I know I said this about the Baby Gronk situation but can you please ask Gabriel about that trumpet?”
Holy shit was that Carmen lobotomy corporation
Hey this is a thorough video over the examples on advocates, and your voice sounding calm works well with your videos on serious topics!
Limbus Company!
boohoo my secret recipe for chicken is gone
let the intrusive thoughts win!
waagh my violin,,,,,, waaaaaaaa
MY CALF FORGOT WHOS I AM
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FCUKC YOU YI SANG
I shutter to imagine what runs through the minds of anyone that thinks this was a good argument for why Zoophilia is okay.
21:31 was a jumpscare get my old teacher did NOT deserve to be featured in a video like this
We had jerks coming into the fandom back in the '90s promoting zoophilia, and when it was complained of we had other jerks yelling about how "bigoted" we were. When it wasn't that, it was convention organizers insisting no such thing was going on under their noses, as zoos sat down with reporters to declare they were using furry conventions as dating and networking hubs.
I still remember gays and bisexuals being called "homophobic" because some of the zoos they were calling out also happened to be LGB. "T" didn't exist at the time, nor did the rest of the acronym, just for the record.
As someone outside the fandom, not knowing all these people, Knoobs Tweets seem to me more like a discussion about the fictional aspect of art, not the people trying excusing their rl behaviour or wants. And, personally, I don't even think Knoobs would be wrong if it was their intention, since there can be many reasons why to create disturbing art (Lolita, as an example, is often read wrong. Your not suppose to like the narrator at all - and still some people think it's romance) - and simply forbidding the topics in art won't stop abuse. However, as artists & writers, one must be aware what kind of followring you will attract. Any other person later in this discurse, simply seems to ignore the part of "fiction" and try to, once again, hickjack the conversation towards wanting acceptance for something that is clearly not okay - obviously. They just try to manipulate people into "we are the same as poor minority groups" when they ignore the whole topic of consent. So, my two cents. These are two different topics, the zoo-, and pedophiles just try to make it about them and RL acceptance again. Don't take the freaking bait
Based title
Had to go back and check, but March 23rd unbiased furry struggles posted a screenshot from Cennys twitter account with a "probably (zoo symbol)" in it.
The fact that this video even had to be made just deeply saddens me, it was thanks to freaks like Kero and ZtT that the fandom has yet another stereotype
"when do you stop viewing a person as a person and instead an abuser" my fucking lord my blood pressure went up as you were reading that.
people are soooo brain dead guhhh
the bbl drizzy in the beginning was gold
0:06 carmen is here because we’re all going to distort after hearing this
People really need to realize zoophilia isnt exactly "ok."
(also is that After hours from ultrakill 7-s in the bg?? im going insane)
I thought this was gonna be about Toonimal when I saw that one tweet about pedos and zoos needing their own communities
Nice to see someone else be aware of that person.
@@windowcreeperbird9669 I'm very aware of toonimal's zoopedo "community"
@@CircusSabre It sucks how the only videos I've seen on toonimal are from small channels and a guy who's flagged red by shinigami eyes
I know Lagovirt says in this video he's not planning on making videos on creeps, but I hope it gets covered by some larger channel who isn't gonna use it as an excuse to be queerphobic
YOU’RE A PM FAN?! Yooooo, based. I’ve been watching your vids on and off for a while, but I never knew you had THIS good taste in media.
Also, some of your background is just a tad too quiet and vice versa. I think I only caught some of it BECAUSE it was PM music.
I’m a survivor of a groomer, and although I like drawing anthro art I draw a line for my mental health on what I draw
At least he likes horses.. oh... oh no, it's in the wrong way!
The rabbit back again , with that hot bag if content.
In these mask off situations I think it's important to make clear this isn't a 'furry' problem, this a human problem. Saying so-and-so did immoral and/or illegal thing is enough. We don't accept the argument for example that such-and-such went on a murder spree because they played violent videogames, because gamers en masse did not - overwhelmingly - do that. We don't condemn these wrong views because they are furry views, they are not. The error feels deliberate sometimes, so remember that people on the internet are often disingenuous, often insincere, often trolls and perhaps at *best* blinded by bigotry and hate. Suffice to say I don't take half this trash at face value. It would be groovey if we had a society prepared to cope with mental illness with compassion and pragmatism to eliminate or reduce harm but as we can see, right now we can barely hold a line.
0:05 YOOO ITS CARMEN
Your voice sounds chill.
THE HORSE COMMENT ACTUALLY MADE ME PAUSE THE VIDEO AND RETHINK EVERYTHING
I'm very glad that you're the one willing to make content like this because sensitive and incompetent people like me sure as hell never will. These people don't belong here and it makes me angry that this is something we even have to argue. Keep up the good work!
Very good video. I didn't know jason and peace commented on it. Honestly, beyond the obvious reason this stuff is terrible, the easiest furry argument for these people being the worse of humanity is that jason has an interest in them lol