@@MisterJohnDoe the scalies, Jason groomed his now wife(?) just like Onision did to his partner. And then they groom another person (or people) to join their polyamorous relationship. Both parties are infamous for being lolcows of sorts and their history/track record is very similar. it’s kinda scary.
Technically furry versions of kai and onision do not exist because onion boy already tried to invade the furry community with his poorly drawn wolf fursona with joint deformitys.
A furry saying "you've probably noticed the elephant in the room." Would legit make me look around the room like where is it I actually didn't notice lol
I think it still counts as illegal to have a minor voice act in porn, all porn actors have to be 18+ regardless of the age of consent in the country or state
@@blackdragon3748 you’re a little late to the discusssion pal, have fun continuing scrolling thru months old comments and adding nothing to the already-stale conversation
@unstablemexican88this is something that is particularly common on the internet, but I wouldn’t say that women are infamously known for spreading false allegations against exes, especially considering the fact that plenty of the allegations out there can be true .
Personally speaking, as a child of two separate divorces (one of which was caused by the husband being unfaithful to say the least) my heart aches for the teen that Fox and Peacewolf fostered. She had to be caught up into this and used to manipulate the other party. I am very happy that she has found a loving family and I hope she finds peace. (Not Peacewolf)
I feel you on that... My dad was unfaithful for the whole time he was with my mom, was abusive just enough that it's unsuspecting and insidious... He destroyed our family, he destroyed my mom and that really affected me and my brother to a point of no return.
You'd have to explain Twitter for any of this to make sense. Though he'd probably relate to this cause rich folk are always getting into weird shit behind closed doors.
@@moosesues8887 wouldn't Victorian England be from like the 800's? Anyways, people have already been pretty decently familiar with the concept of anthropomorphic animals in art and such since forever, so at least you don't have to explain that part to them.
They not really christian because God do not tolerate with sins in till they repent of there sins and believe in what jusus christ did on calvary cross only then they be a real christian. Peacewolf and foxglove committed a Adultery with is one of 10 Commondments they broke
It's ironic I understand but at the same time anybody can mess up. It don't matter if you're born again Christian or not you can still turn and do stuff wrong. But WE, don't turn around and say oh look another sinner is sinning again. Just saying...
Is it just me or does Jasonafex and Kabscorner always seem to tie into these drama situations? It’s like whenever there’s furry drama, these two are never far behind.
I mean they are both manipulative monsters so yeah they definitely tie into a lot of things and with the cheating scandal they love bombed peace and doped her up and she even stated that she took drugs while there daughter was in the house with a suggestive drawing on a white bored with number marks which was the suggestive part
I couldn't listen to Peace's statements in that AWOO meeting because I was caught off guard my the dude in FUCKING MILITARY GEAR AT A FURRY ASSOCIATION MEETING!
@@MisterJohnDoe like good lord we got the groomer the zoophile and the pious cheater I went to Kabs profile out of curiosity and of course there was a meme about fucking a dog. These people are VILE.
I know this ain't really about them but on the topic of Jaysonafex and Kabier's continued presence in the furry fandom: people really need to decide that someone who routinely abuses others isn't worth keeping around just because they draw really good porn. principles > porn, y'all
Its not even that good anymore, their latest comic was full of errors, flowed like sandpaper, pacing like 1 fps, and the writing... i mean i dont expect shakespeare from porn but holy crap...
The mature choice for Peacewolf's response would've been to say: "My private relationships are not the business of the internet. I am refusing to speak any further on my separation with my now past husband and he has also agreed not to introduce our private lives to the world. We are now legally divorced and we will not discuss it with the world. Thank you." The fact that she didn't and instead produced this inflammatory vlog with no evidence at the obvious expense of her past husband and went further to paint him as a kink-obsessed weirdo. All of the major players involved in this drama are clearly children.
This situation reminds me of 500 Days of Summer for some reason, where peacewolf is Summer and foxglove is Tom but the situation is more toxic and disastrous and no one's likeable, everyone's a villain.
Does anyone else find it interesting how furry drama on a topic/ issue ends up more of a drama than if the same thing would have happened elsewhere (only it didn't include furries)? That's one thing I've noticed over the years. Once you add "furry" to something, an immediate firestorm appears. Yeah, people are not ok (and I mean everyone).
I think of it as a great life lesson on how to spot red flags and why you would want to avoid them. The way furries make their drama go nuclear so easily is a spectacle to behold.
@@windego999 Also how they're known for making tiny, or non-existent situations, into volcanos. The anime community has been doing that too recently though, but I think because furries are known for their bs, there's more eyes on them and more annoying voices to bring attention to it.
I guess it's more popular when it happens with people that are more recognizable. I.E. internet personas. Plus the furry fandom isn't exactly known for having sound people.
Tbf, it's slightly more news worthy having a dog man get in a fight with a dog woman than just two normal people. I can sorta get why the fire spreads more that way.
Everything she said sounds like something a manipulator would say. And the fact she states she has all this proof yet offered none of it screams she’s lying, to the surprise of no one. Now foxglove isn’t a good guy either, but peacewolfs statement feels made up. But either way, it hurts freefurall, and I’m 100% for that
@@conorkilhenny5362one’s lack of denial doesn’t make something someone says about them true. Peacewolf is a known homophobic racist manipulative liar. So I’d take what she says with an immense amount of salt.
If she weren't a manipulator, she wouldn't see her ex husband as an actual cartoon villain and publicly shame him as such. Seeing this comic for the first time made me want to puke.
From what I've seen of this situation and looked into, a great deal of what she claims in her story about the divorce seem to be flat out false. Including the infamous pictures of fox sitting out the door with cookies or hugging a doll of jasonafex for some weird reason. From what it seems they had come home while he was out and had done drugs around the house and had sex multiple times while there without fox there, but with the kid there. It was confirmed that they were doing it literally just across the hall from the kid they had taken in a leaked free fur all board meeting. Seemingly a lot of what she says in the document she put out is literally made up to made up to get sympathy.
Honestly knowing Foxglove I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the things she talked about were true but it’s so legitimately hard to take her seriously at all because she’s not giving any proof, drawing him as a stereotypical Neckbeard, adding details that have no need to be added if not to embarrass him publicly and then the gigantic detail of her getting with 2 well known assholes TLDR; No one in this situation is innocent but Peacewolf does not help her own case cuz she just comes off as an gloating asshole in her statement the entire time.
For a person with a peace symbol on her fursona's chest, she sure is a pretty scummy person. Hell, this reminds me of this other furry whose name was "Hope" or something yet 60% of her Twitter posts were just bullying and narcissism (not that this is an uncommon occurrence on Twitter). As some would say, a "bitch in sheep's clothing".
As someone outside of the furry fandom, it’s wild to see this shit go down. Not saying my fandom isn’t bad, but watching some other videos from you, the furry fandom has some crazy shit going on.
You’re not wrong. I love this fandom, but the drama here is on a whole other level. Kinda sad given how even mundane issues can still somehow find a way to blow up into something unnecessarily complex just because it’s “furry” drama.
Honestly I stopped using Twitter and I've become much happier. I still am a furry and interact with it I've just made myself a little bubble of calm to avoid everything stupid.
@@malikharrell2488 Yeah. I’m sure many other fandoms have some crazy stuff going on, but this fandom in particular consistently has a lot going on. It’s interesting looking from the sidelines.
Peacewolf doesn't speak for Christian furs like me, and if there's any good news I want to say, besides being relieved that the poor teen girl has found a better happy and I wish her a good future, it's that a few months back Peace's Furaffinity account and Jason's FA account were terminated (Kabs' as well, dunno if she got banned or quit to followe her pedo husband).
My question is why is their divorce the community's problem? When will furries keep their personal drama to them-damn-selves? I've been in this community for 10 years and it's embarrassing how many dramatic and/or disgusting people we have in our fandom, like please!!! I don't feel sorry for any of them. One is a narcissistic fetishist with no empathy, one is a fake racist idiot who stooped to his level to get back at him, and the other two... 😰 I love that our fandom is an accepting place, but it's also a giant glowing neon sign for predators (oddly fitting, but sad nonetheless). We can't stop these kinds of people from getting into the fandom and masquerading as fellow furs, but can we stop encouraging them at the very least? SMH. Thank you, LagoVirt. Great video, as always! You're one of the realest furries on TH-cam and I respect you lots for that. 😌
I feel like this Fandom is the only one that can take any mundane issue and turn it into a huge drama story that ends up blowing up on Twitter. Twitter being the drama filled cesspool that it is without furries, I’m not surprised it’d originate there, but it’s just a special kind of unnecessary that gives our fandom the kind of attention it doesn’t need. Like we’ll laugh at the stupidity and wackiness of it, but simultaneously it’s also just such a sad headache when another one of these situations develop.
@@malikharrell2488 I 100% agree with this. Some people just do things that are unnecessary, harmful, and/or plain disgusting (BLFC pizza for example) for no reason except maybe boredom and then post it to Twitter for drama or clout. How are people not ashamed of the image they're putting out? Like I love that the fandom is about acceptance and loving ourselves for who we are, but there are some actions that are too far and people need to be held accountable when that happens. The world isn't all sunshine and rainbows so some drama is justified, but then there's people who bring it upon themselves and make everyone else in their community look bad in the process. 🤦🏽♀️ Don't even get me started on the sick fucks that lurk in the shadows of the furry community who aren't even welcome in it to begin with. Twitter is a cesspool and it's why I refuse to make a Twitter account. Thank you for being one of the sane ones in/around the community. It's always nice to hear from people who actually have some decorum. 😊
Staying private would have been my preference. It became a public affair when PeaceWolf involved the convention in a attempt to cover up her affair, trying to invent a reason to leave me before everyone noticed she was sleeping with Jasonafex and Kabier.
@@flowerfloofs I'm positive the word "narcissistic" here is being used to refer to that person's personality trait. Not the mental disorder. People are allowed to describe people as narcissistic if they are being narcissistic and it's weird that you saw that word as an insult vs a description of someone's actions/personality. Just because it is used as a negative description doesn't make it an insult. By definition, an insult means to speak to or treat with disrespect or scornful abuse. You seeing "narcissistic" as a form of disrespect or scornful abuse vs a description of the way someone is acting sounds like a you problem. No offense.
Going through a divorce myself and hearing about this makes me more than well aware that I got lucky me and my now ex husband are on good terms despite the final decision. He knows that I'm not the type to make enemies because it's pathetic and I'll do anything to make sure enemies are not on my table. To those who go through something such as a divorce sincere hope ya do well and the recovery goes well too. It's a common thing this day and age but it's not easy for both ends
With the divorce over, why didn't Peace post any of those saved texts? Or any evidence at all? With the case closed she can do that. Both sides are terrible people, but I wouldn't put it past Jason and Kabs to pull what they tried to do on Bleakly with the other guy but were actually successful so he'd agree to everything they said. The entire story sounds way too back-patting and unrealistic. Crying in a closet with a plush of the person's OC whose cucking you? It's nonsensical. "Scoring a zero on the empathy test" like, hardcore narcicists and sociopaths lie on those tests but he's the first one to be actually honest?
Peacewolf's comic lays bare the emotionally stunted, out of touch with reality point of view a raging toxic narcissist has. Anyone else can smell it a mile away. Neither are innocent, but blasting your ex publicly as a literal cartoon villain is on another level. That takes a lot of time to do, plenty of time to rethink. The first time I saw this comic I wanted to puke
@@flowerfloofs I figured I'd get this sort of comment. When I say "raging toxic narcissist," it is in the same way that people say "toxic masculinity." We aren't referring to all masculinity. We are referring to a type of masculinity that is toxic. The fact remains that mental illness is sometimes the driver for abuse, and it is one of the primary reasons that it is an illness. There is a nuance to these conversations that you aren't going to soapbox me out of talking about.
That came out more aggressively than I wanted it to, I know I was simply thinking back to other conversations in a similar vein to this where I felt like I was beating my head against a wall. So that's on me.
I saw another video covering this entire situation from both Jasonafex's situations and Peacewolf's situation. Most of the claims made about Foxglove being a fat lazy incel are straight up lies to justify what she was doing. He came out with a statement of his own disproving the allegations of cheating and his fetish fantasies, and also cleared up Peace's lies about the aftermath of her leaving. Jason Kabier and Peace were seeing each other while Fox wasn't even home and then she left without saying a word and only a drawing of their characters on the whiteboard in their room. Peace is just a bish who ran off with two other creepy people in the community.
Not defending peace at all here, but I’ve witnessed the fetish content firsthand as he commissioned a long time friend of mine for fetish art and paid extra to keep it secret from Peacewolf. He was incredibly racist to my husband as well. I can’t speak to the incel description, but he is a racist fetishist.
@@tacobelllHow are we supposed to know that you were involved? Btw Foxglove is the only person here that seems to want to become a better person after the bad things that were done.
@@AngelVazquez-vs9xpi mean- I’d be happy to provide proof. We’re both Oklahomans and he took every opportunity to single me and my husband out that he got. Until he apologizes, I won’t believe he cares to improve himself at all.
Honestly I can get a convention wanting to be accepting to a certain degree, but literally treating some of the biggest scum of the fandom as guests of honor is horrid. Inviting jasona and kabs up as guests of honor is basically just shy of bringing up sappho and kero. Considering how manipulative those two are and how manipulative PW seems during this whole thing I would not doubt that fox getting booted from the board wasnt something that was planned. Though can't really say they did with any certainty. He...tried to remove jasonafex and kabier. That already puts fox in a better light to me. But seriously from what I could see of this situation a lot of the document and what it shows are legitimately made up. Seemingly nothing of what the images show ever actually happened. The comic character from what I've been able to find ended up being more based on PW than the other way around like PW tried to claim, and pretty much nothing past her running off with the groomer squad has any evidence backing it up. Which is an actual problem considering that some of the things she claimed would have actual documentation that could be looked up and found. Like police reports, which from what Im aware people tried to look up and could not find anything. The only thing Im aware of out of the whole story that doesn't have any real contention is that fox may have cheated in some way or was going to. Given that a good bunch of what she said were lies it throws the rest of what she claims into question, especially with jasonafex and kabier in the mix. Both of which are proven manipulative liars. She makes it out that she wanted out of an abusive relationship but with all the lies and everything it more comes across that she wanted to jump into bed with other people and used a potential cheating incident as a springboard to do whatever she wanted and try to paint herself as a victim. Also fun fact jasonafex and kabier were making pron of them with her(both pictures, one of which depicted them having sex a certain way and was presented to her as they were doing it, and animations including feral versions of them all) during the time she was still with fox. So yeah.
I'm not super active in furry related drama (or drama in general)... mostly just this channel and a few other smaller ones that do general issues on furry stuff. That said... It's a little weird to be "racist" as a furry, isn't it? Like yeah, generally it's weird and bad... But you'd think a community that is literally made out of hundreds of different species, you'd be a little bit more accepting lol
It's saddening and disgusting but our community isn't safe from people like those. I'm biracial, so reading that "All Lives Matter" post set my empathy to "Off" real quick.
@@ThePsychicClarinetist But all lives matter, I absolutley hate BLM as they demolished and looted everything on their way more than "protected the black"
Hearing this from a out of context outsider perspective makes the whole thing sound like a extremely in-depth soap opera but it keeps adding more plot twists until you get invested and ask what the drama is about before getting hit with the Wham episode reveal that it's about a furry husband and wife, which now leaves you expecting nothing but being let down in hearing about it.
Literally no one in the main cast of the drama are innocent. Peacewolf is way too complacant, Foxglove is a groomer, Jasonafex and Kabscorner are both groomers AND genuine pieces of shit. They're all taking back to back Ls in life and we can only observe and wait for the inevitable.
Can you give me the main points of what happened behind the scenes for Amorous? I've never head of any of these mfs but something tells me the creators of the game arent good.
@Israel100israel Crazy opinion, But I think underpaying and taking advantage of people CAN be controlled by the person doing it. The victim(s) of these horrible acts usually cant though, which is.. Awful.
So as an outsider, every furry drama makes me question what the fuck happens in y'all's communities for something to somehow happen like this But god damnit it's entertaining to watch, better than what Hollywood can produce
I'd say that the furry fandom tends to attract a lot of people who are searching for community, self-expression, and escapism, and who've often endured their fair share of social rejection and bullying, and may lack social skills or finesse. Many of these people are good, earnest, and well-intentioned, but it just takes a few who are predatory, toxic, or even, just immature or impulsive to poison the well. Toxic, dysfunctional, and predatory people will try to take full and dangerous advantage of the fandom's openness and tolerance, and will utterly exploit many furries' trusting, accepting, welcoming, and conflict-averse natures.
"Inclusive" communities tend to be filled with people who aren't right in the head, especially ones that pride themselves on being full of alphabet soup.
I dont know how I (a non furry) fell down a rabbit hole of furry drama but godman this shit wild. I feel bad for yall that get a bad rap. Most of yall seem chill.
A lot of this is just insane because it’s nothing serious It’s mostly just, 4 well-known horrible people in a fandom having relationship drama with each other. After hearing Peacewolf’s statement read aloud it’s just…so hard to take her seriously. Like some of the stuff she mentioned probably is true but how would ANYONE wanna take what she says to heart when she draws my man as a neckbeard and keeps adding unneeded cringe information about the dude, probably with the intent of publicly embarrassing him with said information. Oh yea and that she’s willingly in a relationship with the Furry fandom’s worst couple ever. No one in this situation is good, so it’s literally just the whole fandom being witnessed to a bunch of assholes slow down fall into hell lmao.
It's possible she just wasn't familiar with how shitty those people are. I never even heard of them until now. But I guess that's what happens when you are so quick to trust somebody.
@@MisterJohnDoe very late response, but honestly I wouldn’t be surprised. If I am correct (and please, correct me if I’m not), I think JasonaFex and Kabs were present in the last FWA? I could’ve sworn they at the very least made art for the first con but I could be wrong, I don’t have Twitter anymore so it’s not like I could keep up with whatever the hell their going through right now
Crusader cat being the Shane Dawson of the Furry Fandom is... scarily accurate. Edit: OMG, Jason and Kab as the furry version of Onision and Kai is also WAY too accurate.
@@ginogatash4030Me neither. It always baffles me when someone says they're "not a furry" yet have gallery full of well drawn anthros, sometimes even NSFW included.
@@MisterJohnDoe I guess they either like furry characters as a cartoon concept without revolving their lives around it. Or they just like the porn but don't wanna be involved in the community in any significant way? Which would make them furry in the fetish sense unless they're just so cynical and unfazed they don't have issues going for the easy Pateron money, but would other furries consider people so uninvolved in the community like this as one of them?
correction on your consent ages, here in Australia it's only legal to consent as a 16 year old with other minors (so 16 and 17 can consent to each other, but 16 and 18 or 16 and 15 can not, and definitely not 16 and 20)
Who cares what Australia thinks? It's a hellish nightmare of spider and mouse plagues and nanny state politics. It should have remained a British penal colony.
i'm not a furry nor am i really involved with the community but ive been seeing this drama everywhere and I've been scratching at my brain trying to figure out why peacewolf is so familiar to me, and realized she used to make flipnotes back in like 2011/2012 and i used to love them. blows my mind that this is the same person, this is insanity.
For a incredibly long time, ive never existed in the mass of the furry fandom for alot of these drama reasons. Ive always stuck to myself, trusted friends, and other furries who are equally chill and nice to be around. Doing my best Ui goku impression to just dodge the drama entirely. Its never easy though, people like jason, zoos, and all manner of others give us a bad name, which gets taken out on all of us regardless of our stance. My heart goes out to the kid in this story, as someone adopted at birth, I hope they find a family that takes them in and treats them seamlessly like their own. Im very fortunate for that. And to all you decent furries out there, love you guys.
Wdym by barley legal ? It IS absolutely illegal in BOTH Canada AND Australia for a minor to draw or perform(voice acting) pornographic content. Age of consent doesn't count in this kind of situation, as long as you're under 18 this is illegal.
It just makes it worse that all the people apart of this drama are all massive right-wing conservative furries. Literally the opposite of who the fandom is meant for.
@@user-ig7gf3qt8j It's called "attitude". That's what has to do with Furries and politics. You should use your brain a little more. Peel off that onion skin to go a little deeper....
@@user-ig7gf3qt8j Conservatives actively try to control people's lives, anyone seen as different is demonized, while the fandom is about being unapologetically who you are so long as no living thing is harmed in the process. Most furries are very left wing, LGBTQ+, and anticapitalist.
This is a sadly fascinating account of a victim of grooming (as she claims) just running into another groomers arms. I'm willing to put money on it that this relationship will not last.
I feel this to a degree, Its an endless cycle for me. Wired got crossed wrong so i only really like other furs, but most furs are degens or..this.. its a shame really
edited throwing this out there, i rewatched cus i was genuinely just. gobsmacked at how little sense this makes. but ima leave my initial thoughts just in case because. whuh. so what im getting now is. they all make an agreement that he watches her Get Silly with the other couple, changed his mind about being comfortable with that, but instead of bringing it up he went sicko mode??? dawg i am so lost what is going on i rewatched this twice and now i just have a headache im not even gonna tackle who is and isnt a groomer, im not a furry, i got no clue what's going on but she got so upset about him cheating so... she cheated with multiple people at one time and then rubbed it in his face...? sure makes perfect sense, its wrong when he does it but for her its perfectly okay honestly i dont gaf how many partners you have, doesnt bother me in the slightest, but everyone needs to be on the same page. if you wanna be in a polycule thats fine but make sure everyone knows thats what's going on, no sneaking around doing stuff the others involved havent explicitly agreed to
The hurt people of the world need help. When I went thru my stuff I learned that I could help people by teaching them. All of these people could benefit from making a choice to not hurt those who've done no wrong. They lash out, as if at something they have fought before when it isn't there... that's how trauma works... the world makes me sad. Both the fact they didn't get their form of justice at one point clearly, and the fact that these individuals are always getting upset over things your supposed to forgive and change, manipulating each other with words... the most beautiful creation in the universe, the human brain... corrupted? Disgusting!
Man I live in a homeless shelter and I'd be grateful just for some friends who do stuff like that... it wasn't enough for her to be loved, if I was loved to a degree I wouldn't forget that for primal urges like lust. If he was creepy just run, say that. But screw the guy over and you make others think you'll do it to them. What did she gain? If anything she had a chance to meet so many and be happy, and what ended up happening was now everyone even those who have ideas like her will avoid her. She could have just been like EW this guy is weird and ran, and then they could have gone on about it. She's made a mistake I made, she's allowed someone else's behavior limit her life. When you meet somebody obsessive like that get away from them, run!
Makes me wonder tho, if the foxglove stuff was all true like the lily stuff, why not just leave and be done with it casting him to the darkness below, deplarformed. Instead she moved on with a guy I'm pretty sure I've heard called a groomer here on the tube. My head is... spinning... what were we talking about?
Imagine these people are your parents. Imagine being an 8 year old witnessing their caregivers scream at each other about discord drama while dressed as cartoon animals.
so from what I'm seeing so far is "worst case" is their are no good people in this drama. and "best case 1" is [since from what i've seen peacewolf provides no actual proof of fox's misdeeds/receipts have surfaced yet] that fox got cucked and is being framed like he's the bad guy. or alternatively "best case 2" peacewolf provides proof and it turns out foxglove IS the bad guy. [in either scenario Jason and his gf are still terrible people for what they did, so that's why I'm not including them] honestly im just waiting for fox to tell his side of the story. because i really do want to hear it but if what wolf said is true then he's probably doesn't care anymore and is trying to move on.
@33:20 i'd have to argue that statement i don't think peacewolf is the best person in this drama. honestly just based off of how the people in it have acted, its foxglove. we haven't really seen his side of the story, nor have we seen him be really AS bad as peace is. i think out of the 4 of them peacewolf is actually THE WORST. since jason is infamous in the furry fandom and so is his wife she'd have to know about them, and she hasn't provided any actual proof of fox's misdeeds and to top it off she just left his home after screwing jason and wife in his their bed. peace wolf is the worst of the 4 as far as this drama is concerned. overall jason is still the worst but for this drama peace is the worst.
jason and his wife have mostly kept quite like the smart lizard people they are because they know if they open their collective mouths they will get put in their place expeditiously, so they have been realitivly quite about the drama and mostly kept to forum/message boards.
yeah i don't why your acting like pregnancy is a bad thing? its a fetish to be sure, but its been a fetish since like "caveman" times. like the "fertility goddess" statue is called that for a reason since being pregnant is seen as a GOOD thing.... so why now in modern day is it all of a sudden bad or humiliating to have a fetish for it?
i know this is a old vid, but i want to add my first time meeting the pair. i bought Jason's old computer that he had for sell a few years back, he even gave me an old account for blizzard who he claimed it belonged to an old friend (pretty sure it belonged to the person they fucked with) anyway, when the pc got to me it was broken and not packed to were it would have a safe trip to me. so he started to buy me parts and later asked me to pay him back when it was not MY issue that the pc broke. later i was forced to get his friend )pretty sure it was peace wolf) a new motherbord to pay him back. after i did what he wanted he ignored me. ya he's a POS
I may say, with the age of consent mention. The age of consent in Canada is 16, with consent of parent when applying to someone older than 18. 16 without parent consent with someone between the ages of 16-18. and 18 to consent to anyone over the age of 18. so technically, in the eyes of the law if Peacewolfs parents said no, then it is technically illegal (sorry if this isn't super important, i know its not the focus of the video, but i wanted to share.)
I read the post absolutely unaware of who these people really are, but knowing just a little more after watching this....I don't know who to feel bad for?? I mean, they're both just....awful....
Yes it is starting this weekend believe it or not. The whole thing was entirely planned out but most of the past attendees left so it is going to be empty.
As outlandish and messed up this entire situation is, Peacewolfs tale about whats happened to her, her marriage with Foxglove, the abuse, the fear, unable to live up to "Lilly"... Im inclined to believe her about almost all of it. I have heard and seen eerily similar happen to others in the fandom multiple times. People forcing or coercing others into relationships to live up to their fictional/ideal waifu they have in their head then abusing them behind closed doors, isolating them. Unable to get away from their abuser because the fandom will lean into believing the more "popular" one in the relationship, which is almost always the abuser. It happened to my friend (now my fiance) by his ex for almost a decade. Being made into being like his abusers fictional wife for so long, and when he would refuse or try to get away? Physically hitting or worse, or even threatening to kill them both in a rage (but not before posting jourals everywhere online claiming his victim would be the one trying to break into the room to kill him.) This went on for so long, until a couple of his closest friends managed to convince him to run away with a backpack and drive across states at the dead of night until he got to a friends house. This happened almost 6 years ago, and all of us involved in getting him away from this vile piece of crap still get harassed and stalked by his abuser and his abusers fans. Doesn't matter the proof we have of the abuser though, he claims it doesn't happen, so it tooootally didnt happen!.. Aside from the many Dms he has sent to people including us confirming he was abusing him. But nooo, Screenshots are photoshopped, etc. And because he has more followers, the fandom belives him no matter what.
Foxglove just isn't that type of person. Peacewolf wants to be Jason's side chick, but doing so was probably the death blow for FFA. she's desperately trying to tear Fox down as a method of damage control.
I dont believe a thing she said. Why? Because theres no reason for her to hide the evidence she allegedly has tons of... Its allways the same: "Victim" writes a huge screed on social media detailing all the abuse, claims to have evidence, police reports etc. and then it turns out they lied their black heart out to get what they want: Be seen as the brave and stunning victim that stood up to their abuser. Thing is with Police reports especially.. they are public documents.. everyone can look them up.. and in this case they simply dont exist. Thats allready a blatantly obvious lie that everyone can check for themselves... so what else did peace lie about? No this is a case of a woman having a early midlife crisis, feeling like she married to early and is missing out on life, and two vultures (Jason and Kabier) using this insecurity to manipulate said woman into becomming their personal fucktoy. Mark my words: this threesome relationship is going to blow up something fierce in the comming years with even more drama attached to it...
It has been a wild ride watching the entirety of your video Catalog @LagoVirt , and this is a wild note to end it in until the next thing comes around. 😊 I do hope you do more videos like the one you made about Changed. 😊
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If you want weird, go read fiction
If you want batshit insane, just follow furry drama
And if you want beyond batshit insane read the news.
At least reading fiction can be enjoyable. Furry drama is headache inducing at best at everygiven point. 😭
@@_pyroxenic It’s even worse when it gets big enough that even normies start to see it. Like, come on guys… 😑
Furry drama is always more infinitely hilarious than regular people drama.
@@StevenSimardit's hilarious when groomers aren't involved
"Furry gets cucked by incest lizard" is the funniest furry drama this year
Follow cherry for more Cherry’s bad content streams pls
incest groomer lizard
Ha
I thought he was a dinosaur hybrid or something?
Now that we have the fish thing, do you have any updates?
“FURRY VERSIONS OF KAI AND ONISON” OH MY GOD. I’ve never heard a more ridiculous but true statement in my entire life. That’s fucking hilarious.
Who?
@@MisterJohnDoe the scalies, Jason groomed his now wife(?) just like Onision did to his partner. And then they groom another person (or people) to join their polyamorous relationship.
Both parties are infamous for being lolcows of sorts and their history/track record is very similar. it’s kinda scary.
@@Applekinz Never heard of Kai or Onison but I get it now.
@@MisterJohnDoeohhhh boy if you check it out you’re in for a treat. That relationship and whole onision universe is a whole lot to unpack
Technically furry versions of kai and onision do not exist because onion boy already tried to invade the furry community with his poorly drawn wolf fursona with joint deformitys.
A furry saying "you've probably noticed the elephant in the room."
Would legit make me look around the room like where is it I actually didn't notice lol
"Felix came by? I totally missed him!"
lmao
this is a joke zootopia did lol
i wonder why a non furry saying this doesn't make you look around your room for an elephant? odd
@@missingnotheglitchmonb. because furries like dressing up as animals. and like cartoon animals. what
I think it still counts as illegal to have a minor voice act in porn, all porn actors have to be 18+ regardless of the age of consent in the country or state
Yeah, the age of consent is not the same as the age to create “material.”
No shit Sherlock
@@blackdragon3748 you’re a little late to the discusssion pal, have fun continuing scrolling thru months old comments and adding nothing to the already-stale conversation
@@scottyb8392
Oh no! People replying to my not-so-new comments!
@@lunarziggurat672 oh no! someone else with nothing to add whatsoever :'0
So everyone is a villain except that poor foster girl who hopefully is able to move past it and just see it as that one bad period of her life.
Insane how lily could have chosen anyone else in the community and decided to choose two extremely repulsive people.
The fact that peace went from one groomer to two groomers is crazy. Stock-holm syndrome is one helluva drug
why the dash
@@wubbinz Some say the bar pushes us apart. But I'd say we've only gotten closer. Said Holm to Stock.
@@Maxaka0007 is it like the haber-bosch process
Stockholm is a town tho lol
@unstablemexican88this is something that is particularly common on the internet, but I wouldn’t say that women are infamously known for spreading false allegations against exes, especially considering the fact that plenty of the allegations out there can be true .
Personally speaking, as a child of two separate divorces (one of which was caused by the husband being unfaithful to say the least) my heart aches for the teen that Fox and Peacewolf fostered. She had to be caught up into this and used to manipulate the other party. I am very happy that she has found a loving family and I hope she finds peace. (Not Peacewolf)
I feel you on that...
My dad was unfaithful for the whole time he was with my mom, was abusive just enough that it's unsuspecting and insidious... He destroyed our family, he destroyed my mom and that really affected me and my brother to a point of no return.
Yep. Sometimes I envy those who were adopted, but I guess sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for.
Peace wolf should have taken the teen but it was probably better her not to because of one the people she’s dating.
I can promise you. your mom wasnt faithful either
Imagine explaining this to a Victorian Businessman
You'd have to explain Twitter for any of this to make sense.
Though he'd probably relate to this cause rich folk are always getting into weird shit behind closed doors.
Just explain it as if it was an obscure Shakesperean comedy and then be like "jk that happened fr"
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I wonder if they had furries in 1776
@@moosesues8887 wouldn't Victorian England be from like the 800's?
Anyways, people have already been pretty decently familiar with the concept of anthropomorphic animals in art and such since forever, so at least you don't have to explain that part to them.
I just find the gameplay of binding of Isaac during a video about people who say they are Christian first and foremost in their drama is very funny
i wish i could tell you that was intentional, but i kinda forgot isaac's plot was also a Christian family divorcing as well.
They not really christian because God do not tolerate with sins in till they repent of there sins and believe in what jusus christ did on calvary cross only then they be a real christian. Peacewolf and foxglove committed a Adultery with is one of 10 Commondments they broke
You’re right.
It's ironic I understand but at the same time anybody can mess up. It don't matter if you're born again Christian or not you can still turn and do stuff wrong. But WE, don't turn around and say oh look another sinner is sinning again. Just saying...
@@blue893okay?
furry drama lore: much bigger and much harder to understand than star wars lore
Similarly, everyone is a character, including dudes in the background for 5 secs.
@victorsantana3005 given how they are portrayed isn't that the whole community? Then you have the ones that remove the mask.
would also make a good series... of course heavly edited... that might have three block busters too.
What about warhammer lore?
Fnaf lore is somehow simpler then furry drama lore
Is it just me or does Jasonafex and Kabscorner always seem to tie into these drama situations? It’s like whenever there’s furry drama, these two are never far behind.
Jasonafex and Kabscorner always at the scene of the crime
It's almost like they orchestrate the drama themselves
I mean they are both manipulative monsters so yeah they definitely tie into a lot of things and with the cheating scandal they love bombed peace and doped her up and she even stated that she took drugs while there daughter was in the house with a suggestive drawing on a white bored with number marks which was the suggestive part
The main antagonists of the furry community.
Are they involved Kael the Tiger's antics, Kero the Wolf involvement with special harm on animals, Zooier than thou, and shunning mullerornis?
I couldn't listen to Peace's statements in that AWOO meeting because I was caught off guard my the dude in FUCKING MILITARY GEAR AT A FURRY ASSOCIATION MEETING!
OMG THANK GOD SOMEONE ELSE NOTICED THAT LMFAOOOO ????? like what 😭
I've become so desensitized to chuddy shit that I had to actually go back and watch. Ffs, larp as a furry, not a soldier!
Some right-wing gay furfags take their public displays of manliness very seriously.
people have other jobs lol
@@MyMika2004I don't think soliders are meant to wear their uniform outside of work. Especially for a costume based con.
Holy shit, Peacewolf getting into a polycule with JASONAFEX AND KAIBER was a twist I was not expecting. These three deserve eachother goddamn
Your Glopossum deserves to be with her gangsters in the hood. She should work as their hoe
I'll take cursed trupples for $500 Alex.
@@ChunkSchuldingalike holy shit what a fucking curveball. Apollo could have never nailed anyone with this dodgeball of prophecy
And I had no idea how awful they were until I saw the other person's video. Of course, they already seemed scummy having somebody cheat with them.
@@MisterJohnDoe like good lord we got the groomer the zoophile and the pious cheater I went to Kabs profile out of curiosity and of course there was a meme about fucking a dog. These people are VILE.
Furry Twitter is like reading the newspaper for me at this point
Agreed, and it just never seems to stop
Yup.
Fun fact: I found out about the Invasion of Ukraine because Puppychan tweeted about it
@@gaiusjuliuscaesar8450worst way to get information
@@gaiusjuliuscaesar8450 bruhhhh what, daz crazy
I know this ain't really about them but on the topic of Jaysonafex and Kabier's continued presence in the furry fandom: people really need to decide that someone who routinely abuses others isn't worth keeping around just because they draw really good porn. principles > porn, y'all
*Glares in Ford Motor Co.*
Damn dude, i wish that were possible.
Too bad the furry fandom isn't the best when it comes to priorities.
Tbf they are dunked on pretty hard on lots of sites including porn ones. They have fans yeah, but I'd say more people loathe them.
Its not even that good anymore, their latest comic was full of errors, flowed like sandpaper, pacing like 1 fps, and the writing... i mean i dont expect shakespeare from porn but holy crap...
the fact its even something to consider. too many nasty degens in the fandom obsessed with nsfw
The mature choice for Peacewolf's response would've been to say: "My private relationships are not the business of the internet. I am refusing to speak any further on my separation with my now past husband and he has also agreed not to introduce our private lives to the world. We are now legally divorced and we will not discuss it with the world. Thank you."
The fact that she didn't and instead produced this inflammatory vlog with no evidence at the obvious expense of her past husband and went further to paint him as a kink-obsessed weirdo. All of the major players involved in this drama are clearly children.
i dont know whats worse, the fact that people like this exist, or the fact that there are genuinely people that still defend them
Jasonafex and his girlfriend getting involved is like that one Micheal Rosen clip.
“Suddenly it appeared”
Jasonafex is basically Willam Afton, this nigga always comes back somehow. ☠️☠️
@datboiashy2957 this what now (joking , I'm black)
@@datboiashy2957 Lol fr. It’s like being stuck in a time loop.
the thing with the voice of the souls of the damned
@@datboiashy2957LMAOO
This is like one of those shtty romance movie where we sympathize with no one.
This situation reminds me of 500 Days of Summer for some reason, where peacewolf is Summer and foxglove is Tom but the situation is more toxic and disastrous and no one's likeable, everyone's a villain.
Does anyone else find it interesting how furry drama on a topic/ issue ends up more of a drama than if the same thing would have happened elsewhere (only it didn't include furries)? That's one thing I've noticed over the years. Once you add "furry" to something, an immediate firestorm appears.
Yeah, people are not ok (and I mean everyone).
I think of it as a great life lesson on how to spot red flags and why you would want to avoid them. The way furries make their drama go nuclear so easily is a spectacle to behold.
@@windego999 Also how they're known for making tiny, or non-existent situations, into volcanos. The anime community has been doing that too recently though, but I think because furries are known for their bs, there's more eyes on them and more annoying voices to bring attention to it.
I guess it's more popular when it happens with people that are more recognizable. I.E. internet personas. Plus the furry fandom isn't exactly known for having sound people.
Tbf, it's slightly more news worthy having a dog man get in a fight with a dog woman than just two normal people. I can sorta get why the fire spreads more that way.
drama: 💥💥
people: 😴
same drama but furry: 💥💥
people: 🤯🚨
Everything she said sounds like something a manipulator would say. And the fact she states she has all this proof yet offered none of it screams she’s lying, to the surprise of no one. Now foxglove isn’t a good guy either, but peacewolfs statement feels made up. But either way, it hurts freefurall, and I’m 100% for that
foxglove didnt exactly deny anything however.
@@conorkilhenny5362one’s lack of denial doesn’t make something someone says about them true. Peacewolf is a known homophobic racist manipulative liar. So I’d take what she says with an immense amount of salt.
If she weren't a manipulator, she wouldn't see her ex husband as an actual cartoon villain and publicly shame him as such. Seeing this comic for the first time made me want to puke.
From what I've seen of this situation and looked into, a great deal of what she claims in her story about the divorce seem to be flat out false. Including the infamous pictures of fox sitting out the door with cookies or hugging a doll of jasonafex for some weird reason. From what it seems they had come home while he was out and had done drugs around the house and had sex multiple times while there without fox there, but with the kid there. It was confirmed that they were doing it literally just across the hall from the kid they had taken in a leaked free fur all board meeting.
Seemingly a lot of what she says in the document she put out is literally made up to made up to get sympathy.
Honestly knowing Foxglove I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the things she talked about were true but it’s so legitimately hard to take her seriously at all because she’s not giving any proof, drawing him as a stereotypical Neckbeard, adding details that have no need to be added if not to embarrass him publicly and then the gigantic detail of her getting with 2 well known assholes
TLDR; No one in this situation is innocent but Peacewolf does not help her own case cuz she just comes off as an gloating asshole in her statement the entire time.
A lot of people including myself refer to Peacewolf as PissWolf
That's awesome! It should be normalized, LOL.
For a person with a peace symbol on her fursona's chest, she sure is a pretty scummy person. Hell, this reminds me of this other furry whose name was "Hope" or something yet 60% of her Twitter posts were just bullying and narcissism (not that this is an uncommon occurrence on Twitter). As some would say, a "bitch in sheep's clothing".
We also refer to Jasonafex as "Jigglebones" or "Shitlizard" and Kabier as "Crybier" or "Shitraptor"
:D
I prefere Peace of Shit
As someone outside of the furry fandom, it’s wild to see this shit go down.
Not saying my fandom isn’t bad, but watching some other videos from you, the furry fandom has some crazy shit going on.
You’re not wrong. I love this fandom, but the drama here is on a whole other level. Kinda sad given how even mundane issues can still somehow find a way to blow up into something unnecessarily complex just because it’s “furry” drama.
I didn't even know what a Furry was when we met. Marrying into it was a big-ass mistake. Stay the hell away, man.
Honestly I stopped using Twitter and I've become much happier. I still am a furry and interact with it I've just made myself a little bubble of calm to avoid everything stupid.
@@malikharrell2488 Yeah. I’m sure many other fandoms have some crazy stuff going on, but this fandom in particular consistently has a lot going on.
It’s interesting looking from the sidelines.
The furry fandom has millions of people from all over the globe and from multiple cultures and backgrounds. Shit is bound to happen.
Dude seeing foxglove in the comment section just makes it all funnier somehow
Peacewolf doesn't speak for Christian furs like me, and if there's any good news I want to say, besides being relieved that the poor teen girl has found a better happy and I wish her a good future, it's that a few months back Peace's Furaffinity account and Jason's FA account were terminated (Kabs' as well, dunno if she got banned or quit to followe her pedo husband).
God loves taking fat, furry knots in her free time.
So what is Jesus' fursona? Or do Christian furs just keep him human?
@@ginogatash4030 A lion or a lamb both would be biblically accurate.
@@RedDogRichard2112 wouldn't a lion eat lambs? I feel hat would give all the shepherd analogies an unintentionally deconstructive undertone.
@@ginogatash4030 Jesus is sometimes referred to as the Lion of Judah, as a beacon of light, courage, bravery, agility and dignity.
My question is why is their divorce the community's problem? When will furries keep their personal drama to them-damn-selves? I've been in this community for 10 years and it's embarrassing how many dramatic and/or disgusting people we have in our fandom, like please!!! I don't feel sorry for any of them. One is a narcissistic fetishist with no empathy, one is a fake racist idiot who stooped to his level to get back at him, and the other two... 😰 I love that our fandom is an accepting place, but it's also a giant glowing neon sign for predators (oddly fitting, but sad nonetheless). We can't stop these kinds of people from getting into the fandom and masquerading as fellow furs, but can we stop encouraging them at the very least? SMH.
Thank you, LagoVirt. Great video, as always! You're one of the realest furries on TH-cam and I respect you lots for that. 😌
I feel like this Fandom is the only one that can take any mundane issue and turn it into a huge drama story that ends up blowing up on Twitter.
Twitter being the drama filled cesspool that it is without furries, I’m not surprised it’d originate there, but it’s just a special kind of unnecessary that gives our fandom the kind of attention it doesn’t need.
Like we’ll laugh at the stupidity and wackiness of it, but simultaneously it’s also just such a sad headache when another one of these situations develop.
@@malikharrell2488 I 100% agree with this. Some people just do things that are unnecessary, harmful, and/or plain disgusting (BLFC pizza for example) for no reason except maybe boredom and then post it to Twitter for drama or clout. How are people not ashamed of the image they're putting out? Like I love that the fandom is about acceptance and loving ourselves for who we are, but there are some actions that are too far and people need to be held accountable when that happens. The world isn't all sunshine and rainbows so some drama is justified, but then there's people who bring it upon themselves and make everyone else in their community look bad in the process. 🤦🏽♀️ Don't even get me started on the sick fucks that lurk in the shadows of the furry community who aren't even welcome in it to begin with.
Twitter is a cesspool and it's why I refuse to make a Twitter account.
Thank you for being one of the sane ones in/around the community. It's always nice to hear from people who actually have some decorum. 😊
Staying private would have been my preference. It became a public affair when PeaceWolf involved the convention in a attempt to cover up her affair, trying to invent a reason to leave me before everyone noticed she was sleeping with Jasonafex and Kabier.
Pls don't use narcissist as an insult, as it's a term for a mental disorder, maybe used self absorbed instead,,,
@@flowerfloofs I'm positive the word "narcissistic" here is being used to refer to that person's personality trait. Not the mental disorder. People are allowed to describe people as narcissistic if they are being narcissistic and it's weird that you saw that word as an insult vs a description of someone's actions/personality.
Just because it is used as a negative description doesn't make it an insult. By definition, an insult means to speak to or treat with disrespect or scornful abuse. You seeing "narcissistic" as a form of disrespect or scornful abuse vs a description of the way someone is acting sounds like a you problem. No offense.
how is there enough time in their lives for all of these events to happen
Given the context of Jasonafex and Kabscorner, I’m sure they have ALOT of time on their hands.
Well fox works a lot of hours at his tech job so it was probably pretty easy to cheat when he wasn't home.
Going through a divorce myself and hearing about this makes me more than well aware that I got lucky me and my now ex husband are on good terms despite the final decision. He knows that I'm not the type to make enemies because it's pathetic and I'll do anything to make sure enemies are not on my table. To those who go through something such as a divorce sincere hope ya do well and the recovery goes well too. It's a common thing this day and age but it's not easy for both ends
With the divorce over, why didn't Peace post any of those saved texts? Or any evidence at all? With the case closed she can do that.
Both sides are terrible people, but I wouldn't put it past Jason and Kabs to pull what they tried to do on Bleakly with the other guy but were actually successful so he'd agree to everything they said. The entire story sounds way too back-patting and unrealistic.
Crying in a closet with a plush of the person's OC whose cucking you? It's nonsensical. "Scoring a zero on the empathy test" like, hardcore narcicists and sociopaths lie on those tests but he's the first one to be actually honest?
truly the point of the story is, everyone was a piece of shit in this situation lmao
Peacewolf's comic lays bare the emotionally stunted, out of touch with reality point of view a raging toxic narcissist has. Anyone else can smell it a mile away. Neither are innocent, but blasting your ex publicly as a literal cartoon villain is on another level. That takes a lot of time to do, plenty of time to rethink. The first time I saw this comic I wanted to puke
And your terrorist far letis Glopossum is normal?
Pls don't use narcissist as an insult, as it's a term for a mental disorder, maybe used self absorbed instead,,,
@@SarsTheSecondfrankly, the radicals on both sides are a cancer that have to removed from all communities, furry fandom taking #1 priority.
@@flowerfloofs I figured I'd get this sort of comment. When I say "raging toxic narcissist," it is in the same way that people say "toxic masculinity." We aren't referring to all masculinity. We are referring to a type of masculinity that is toxic. The fact remains that mental illness is sometimes the driver for abuse, and it is one of the primary reasons that it is an illness. There is a nuance to these conversations that you aren't going to soapbox me out of talking about.
That came out more aggressively than I wanted it to, I know I was simply thinking back to other conversations in a similar vein to this where I felt like I was beating my head against a wall. So that's on me.
I saw another video covering this entire situation from both Jasonafex's situations and Peacewolf's situation. Most of the claims made about Foxglove being a fat lazy incel are straight up lies to justify what she was doing. He came out with a statement of his own disproving the allegations of cheating and his fetish fantasies, and also cleared up Peace's lies about the aftermath of her leaving. Jason Kabier and Peace were seeing each other while Fox wasn't even home and then she left without saying a word and only a drawing of their characters on the whiteboard in their room. Peace is just a bish who ran off with two other creepy people in the community.
Not defending peace at all here, but I’ve witnessed the fetish content firsthand as he commissioned a long time friend of mine for fetish art and paid extra to keep it secret from Peacewolf.
He was incredibly racist to my husband as well. I can’t speak to the incel description, but he is a racist fetishist.
@@tacobelllHow are we supposed to know that you were involved?
Btw Foxglove is the only person here that seems to want to become a better person after the bad things that were done.
@@AngelVazquez-vs9xpi mean- I’d be happy to provide proof. We’re both Oklahomans and he took every opportunity to single me and my husband out that he got. Until he apologizes, I won’t believe he cares to improve himself at all.
@@tacobelll Yeah I need proof first then I will ask him about it myself.
@@tacobelll I am actually serious about it though, if you provide evidence then I will bring it up to him, he knows me as I am a follower of his.
All parties in this story are absolutely awful people.
Honestly I can get a convention wanting to be accepting to a certain degree, but literally treating some of the biggest scum of the fandom as guests of honor is horrid. Inviting jasona and kabs up as guests of honor is basically just shy of bringing up sappho and kero. Considering how manipulative those two are and how manipulative PW seems during this whole thing I would not doubt that fox getting booted from the board wasnt something that was planned. Though can't really say they did with any certainty.
He...tried to remove jasonafex and kabier. That already puts fox in a better light to me.
But seriously from what I could see of this situation a lot of the document and what it shows are legitimately made up. Seemingly nothing of what the images show ever actually happened. The comic character from what I've been able to find ended up being more based on PW than the other way around like PW tried to claim, and pretty much nothing past her running off with the groomer squad has any evidence backing it up. Which is an actual problem considering that some of the things she claimed would have actual documentation that could be looked up and found. Like police reports, which from what Im aware people tried to look up and could not find anything.
The only thing Im aware of out of the whole story that doesn't have any real contention is that fox may have cheated in some way or was going to. Given that a good bunch of what she said were lies it throws the rest of what she claims into question, especially with jasonafex and kabier in the mix. Both of which are proven manipulative liars. She makes it out that she wanted out of an abusive relationship but with all the lies and everything it more comes across that she wanted to jump into bed with other people and used a potential cheating incident as a springboard to do whatever she wanted and try to paint herself as a victim.
Also fun fact jasonafex and kabier were making pron of them with her(both pictures, one of which depicted them having sex a certain way and was presented to her as they were doing it, and animations including feral versions of them all) during the time she was still with fox. So yeah.
This whole event feels like something that would happen on it's Always Sunny in Philadelphia
man, you know your marriage is bad when Jasonafex and Kabier's marriage looks good
I'm not super active in furry related drama (or drama in general)... mostly just this channel and a few other smaller ones that do general issues on furry stuff.
That said... It's a little weird to be "racist" as a furry, isn't it? Like yeah, generally it's weird and bad...
But you'd think a community that is literally made out of hundreds of different species, you'd be a little bit more accepting lol
dont forget the nazis
I dont think being a furry has to do something with opinion on other races, people are just creeps sometimes
It's saddening and disgusting but our community isn't safe from people like those. I'm biracial, so reading that "All Lives Matter" post set my empathy to "Off" real quick.
@@ThePsychicClarinetist But all lives matter, I absolutley hate BLM as they demolished and looted everything on their way more than "protected the black"
@@wubbinz and your violent far leftists are normal?
Hearing this from a out of context outsider perspective makes the whole thing sound like a extremely in-depth soap opera but it keeps adding more plot twists until you get invested and ask what the drama is about before getting hit with the Wham episode reveal that it's about a furry husband and wife, which now leaves you expecting nothing but being let down in hearing about it.
Literally no one in the main cast of the drama are innocent.
Peacewolf is way too complacant, Foxglove is a groomer, Jasonafex and Kabscorner are both groomers AND genuine pieces of shit.
They're all taking back to back Ls in life and we can only observe and wait for the inevitable.
The noose or the warrants?
I think their adopted kid is the only good person in this, hope that she is ok.
It's stuff like this that makes me distant to start a relationship. This also makes me thankful my parent's own divorce didn't go down like this.
I felt bad for a few seconds before remembering what a pack of scumbags those lot are, then it all became morbidly amusing.
Who?
ive been so hyped for this video to happen, bigger than barbie, oppenheimerstyle or spiderverse 2
Peacewolf when Fox won the Nintendo Switch: “IT SHOULDVE BEEN ME, NOT HIM!”
6:15 i vibed with Amorous until i found out a lot more behind the scenes, I defnitely didn't see that shit coming
Can you give me the main points of what happened behind the scenes for Amorous? I've never head of any of these mfs but something tells me the creators of the game arent good.
@@Jerebee-DSJasonafex was underpaying and taking advantage of his main game programmer.
@@AngelVazquez-vs9xp oh BROTHER-- Why can't mfs be NORMAL nowadays 💀🗿
@Israel100israel Crazy opinion, But I think underpaying and taking advantage of people CAN be controlled by the person doing it. The victim(s) of these horrible acts usually cant though, which is.. Awful.
smh nasty degenerate
He won the Nintendo Switch, guys.
i cant even watch this, not because its a bad video, but because these events are such a mindfuck. i hate everyone involved.
i believe everything peacewolf said, i just hate her and there are NO good people in this situation
Yeah. It's THAT bad (˃̣̣̥▽˂̣̣̥)
Love your vids it’s good to know what’s happening in the fandom
I hope that the girl Peacewolf and Foxglove were fostering is safe and happy now :(
So as an outsider, every furry drama makes me question what the fuck happens in y'all's communities for something to somehow happen like this
But god damnit it's entertaining to watch, better than what Hollywood can produce
Honestly... Better to not know for the sake of your sanity.
i'm a furry and i don't know what the hell is going on, too
I'd say that the furry fandom tends to attract a lot of people who are searching for community, self-expression, and escapism, and who've often endured their fair share of social rejection and bullying, and may lack social skills or finesse. Many of these people are good, earnest, and well-intentioned, but it just takes a few who are predatory, toxic, or even, just immature or impulsive to poison the well. Toxic, dysfunctional, and predatory people will try to take full and dangerous advantage of the fandom's openness and tolerance, and will utterly exploit many furries' trusting, accepting, welcoming, and conflict-averse natures.
Sometimes I'm not a fan of being being affiliated with this community. One of the reasons why I quit Roblox.
"Inclusive" communities tend to be filled with people who aren't right in the head, especially ones that pride themselves on being full of alphabet soup.
It's been a joy watching all of this unfold these past few months.
For some reason i feel like my grandma would find this story very entertaining. Shes a fan of love tragedies and quadrangles
I dont know how I (a non furry) fell down a rabbit hole of furry drama but godman this shit wild. I feel bad for yall that get a bad rap. Most of yall seem chill.
They are chill just there's a few rotten apples that people focus on then think all the other apples are rotten
Ayo same
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This is crazy dude. I haven't even seen or remembered Peacewolf since Flipnote Hatena, and it turns out it was better that way.
A lot of this is just insane because it’s nothing serious
It’s mostly just, 4 well-known horrible people in a fandom having relationship drama with each other.
After hearing Peacewolf’s statement read aloud it’s just…so hard to take her seriously. Like some of the stuff she mentioned probably is true but how would ANYONE wanna take what she says to heart when she draws my man as a neckbeard and keeps adding unneeded cringe information about the dude, probably with the intent of publicly embarrassing him with said information.
Oh yea and that she’s willingly in a relationship with the Furry fandom’s worst couple ever.
No one in this situation is good, so it’s literally just the whole fandom being witnessed to a bunch of assholes slow down fall into hell lmao.
i think the worst furry couple ever would be the ones that skinned their dog
It's possible she just wasn't familiar with how shitty those people are. I never even heard of them until now. But I guess that's what happens when you are so quick to trust somebody.
@@MisterJohnDoe lol no. I'd wager she knows them a lot better than most.
@@Puddlesoak Maybe. It takes one sick bastard to know one.
@@MisterJohnDoe very late response, but honestly I wouldn’t be surprised. If I am correct (and please, correct me if I’m not), I think JasonaFex and Kabs were present in the last FWA? I could’ve sworn they at the very least made art for the first con but I could be wrong, I don’t have Twitter anymore so it’s not like I could keep up with whatever the hell their going through right now
Crusader cat being the Shane Dawson of the Furry Fandom is... scarily accurate.
Edit: OMG, Jason and Kab as the furry version of Onision and Kai is also WAY too accurate.
@10:32 ... showing my age here, but that screenshot popped up, and "Breaking The Chains" by Dokken started playing in my brain...
Ah, furry drama, my favorite
Fr it’s probably why I’m just the “observer furry” now who enjoys anthro art in secret
I still don't get what the furry community consensus is on what separates a furry from non furries.
@@ginogatash4030Me neither. It always baffles me when someone says they're "not a furry" yet have gallery full of well drawn anthros, sometimes even NSFW included.
@@MisterJohnDoe I guess they either like furry characters as a cartoon concept without revolving their lives around it. Or they just like the porn but don't wanna be involved in the community in any significant way?
Which would make them furry in the fetish sense unless they're just so cynical and unfazed they don't have issues going for the easy Pateron money, but would other furries consider people so uninvolved in the community like this as one of them?
Don't do it in secret. Openly murr at hot anthros like a real furry!
oh hell no bro
could you imagine JASONAFEX trying to "put you in your place" im cryin😂
It's hilarious how fucked up situation got, just watching videos about it makes me laugh
Tulsa, Oklahoma sure seems to play a silent role in a lot of this mess. I don’t think this whole mess would happen anywhere else.
Furry Loss is still by far the wildest furry meme this year and it's not even over yet
correction on your consent ages, here in Australia it's only legal to consent as a 16 year old with other minors (so 16 and 17 can consent to each other, but 16 and 18 or 16 and 15 can not, and definitely not 16 and 20)
Who cares what Australia thinks? It's a hellish nightmare of spider and mouse plagues and nanny state politics. It should have remained a British penal colony.
@@Roketsuneit would still be a spider hell lmao
he took my nintendo switch in the divorce
a day with new lagovirt upload is always a good day
I love when you can tell when a creator is currently a fan of certain media by the music in their videos,
Hows LISA goin for you lol
i'm not a furry nor am i really involved with the community but ive been seeing this drama everywhere and I've been scratching at my brain trying to figure out why peacewolf is so familiar to me, and realized she used to make flipnotes back in like 2011/2012 and i used to love them. blows my mind that this is the same person, this is insanity.
Wow a monster ran from a monster into the arms of two monsters
For a incredibly long time, ive never existed in the mass of the furry fandom for alot of these drama reasons. Ive always stuck to myself, trusted friends, and other furries who are equally chill and nice to be around. Doing my best Ui goku impression to just dodge the drama entirely.
Its never easy though, people like jason, zoos, and all manner of others give us a bad name, which gets taken out on all of us regardless of our stance.
My heart goes out to the kid in this story, as someone adopted at birth, I hope they find a family that takes them in and treats them seamlessly like their own. Im very fortunate for that.
And to all you decent furries out there, love you guys.
Wdym by barley legal ? It IS absolutely illegal in BOTH Canada AND Australia for a minor to draw or perform(voice acting) pornographic content. Age of consent doesn't count in this kind of situation, as long as you're under 18 this is illegal.
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It just makes it worse that all the people apart of this drama are all massive right-wing conservative furries. Literally the opposite of who the fandom is meant for.
What art and cosplaying has to do with politics?
@@user-ig7gf3qt8j It's called "attitude". That's what has to do with Furries and politics. You should use your brain a little more. Peel off that onion skin to go a little deeper....
@@user-ig7gf3qt8j Conservatives actively try to control people's lives, anyone seen as different is demonized, while the fandom is about being unapologetically who you are so long as no living thing is harmed in the process. Most furries are very left wing, LGBTQ+, and anticapitalist.
it shouldnt be all lefty wokism either
imagine trying to explain this to a victorian child-
Did anyone else stop listening at some point and just focused on the Isaac gameplay? because DEAR GOD! THAS SOME FUCKEN' GOOD LUCK
This is a sadly fascinating account of a victim of grooming (as she claims) just running into another groomers arms.
I'm willing to put money on it that this relationship will not last.
love the binding of isaac gameplay in the background
This is why I rarely show feelings for others while having trust issues.
It's like what they said bout that one song, "These hos ain't loyal."
I feel this to a degree, Its an endless cycle for me. Wired got crossed wrong so i only really like other furs, but most furs are degens or..this.. its a shame really
im kinda late but Lago this video is amazing. you deserve more than what you have.
edited
throwing this out there, i rewatched cus i was genuinely just. gobsmacked at how little sense this makes. but ima leave my initial thoughts just in case because. whuh.
so what im getting now is. they all make an agreement that he watches her Get Silly with the other couple, changed his mind about being comfortable with that, but instead of bringing it up he went sicko mode??? dawg i am so lost what is going on i rewatched this twice and now i just have a headache
im not even gonna tackle who is and isnt a groomer, im not a furry, i got no clue what's going on
but she got so upset about him cheating
so... she cheated with multiple people at one time and then rubbed it in his face...? sure makes perfect sense, its wrong when he does it but for her its perfectly okay
honestly i dont gaf how many partners you have, doesnt bother me in the slightest, but everyone needs to be on the same page. if you wanna be in a polycule thats fine but make sure everyone knows thats what's going on, no sneaking around doing stuff the others involved havent explicitly agreed to
The hurt people of the world need help. When I went thru my stuff I learned that I could help people by teaching them. All of these people could benefit from making a choice to not hurt those who've done no wrong. They lash out, as if at something they have fought before when it isn't there... that's how trauma works... the world makes me sad. Both the fact they didn't get their form of justice at one point clearly, and the fact that these individuals are always getting upset over things your supposed to forgive and change, manipulating each other with words... the most beautiful creation in the universe, the human brain... corrupted? Disgusting!
Man I live in a homeless shelter and I'd be grateful just for some friends who do stuff like that... it wasn't enough for her to be loved, if I was loved to a degree I wouldn't forget that for primal urges like lust. If he was creepy just run, say that. But screw the guy over and you make others think you'll do it to them. What did she gain? If anything she had a chance to meet so many and be happy, and what ended up happening was now everyone even those who have ideas like her will avoid her. She could have just been like EW this guy is weird and ran, and then they could have gone on about it. She's made a mistake I made, she's allowed someone else's behavior limit her life. When you meet somebody obsessive like that get away from them, run!
Makes me wonder tho, if the foxglove stuff was all true like the lily stuff, why not just leave and be done with it casting him to the darkness below, deplarformed. Instead she moved on with a guy I'm pretty sure I've heard called a groomer here on the tube. My head is... spinning... what were we talking about?
No Peace when Peace is around.....
drama aside lago is fuckin' CRACKED at isaac. i could only wish i was that good lol
Imagine these people are your parents. Imagine being an 8 year old witnessing their caregivers scream at each other about discord drama while dressed as cartoon animals.
This is really crazy. Thanks for the video on this. Keep up the great job.
so from what I'm seeing so far is
"worst case" is their are no good people in this drama.
and
"best case 1" is [since from what i've seen peacewolf provides no actual proof of fox's misdeeds/receipts have surfaced yet] that fox got cucked and is being framed like he's the bad guy.
or alternatively
"best case 2" peacewolf provides proof and it turns out foxglove IS the bad guy.
[in either scenario Jason and his gf are still terrible people for what they did, so that's why I'm not including them]
honestly im just waiting for fox to tell his side of the story.
because i really do want to hear it but if what wolf said is true then he's probably doesn't care anymore and is trying to move on.
@33:20 i'd have to argue that statement i don't think peacewolf is the best person in this drama.
honestly just based off of how the people in it have acted, its foxglove.
we haven't really seen his side of the story, nor have we seen him be really AS bad as peace is.
i think out of the 4 of them peacewolf is actually THE WORST.
since jason is infamous in the furry fandom and so is his wife she'd have to know about them, and she hasn't provided any actual proof of fox's misdeeds and to top it off she just left his home after screwing jason and wife in his their bed.
peace wolf is the worst of the 4 as far as this drama is concerned.
overall jason is still the worst but for this drama peace is the worst.
jason and his wife have mostly kept quite like the smart lizard people they are because they know if they open their collective mouths they will get put in their place expeditiously, so they have been realitivly quite about the drama and mostly kept to forum/message boards.
which is probably the smartest thing they can do.
yeah i don't why your acting like pregnancy is a bad thing?
its a fetish to be sure, but its been a fetish since like "caveman" times.
like the "fertility goddess" statue is called that for a reason since being pregnant is seen as a GOOD thing....
so why now in modern day is it all of a sudden bad or humiliating to have a fetish for it?
@@Nightout88Foxglove does tell his side of the story and disproves much of what Peacewolf said on her side though most of it is seen on his Twitter.
Like i said, this is why i am never on Twitter....this drama and toxicity is spreading like Wildfire.
i know this is a old vid, but i want to add my first time meeting the pair. i bought Jason's old computer that he had for sell a few years back, he even gave me an old account for blizzard who he claimed it belonged to an old friend (pretty sure it belonged to the person they fucked with) anyway, when the pc got to me it was broken and not packed to were it would have a safe trip to me. so he started to buy me parts and later asked me to pay him back when it was not MY issue that the pc broke. later i was forced to get his friend )pretty sure it was peace wolf) a new motherbord to pay him back.
after i did what he wanted he ignored me. ya he's a POS
This isn't even drama
It's pure dark tragedy especially for the foster kid
TTFC has done a 180. I volunteer at it for the last 3 years and the con is definitely not as dumb as Free Fur All
Cant wait to see the sequel for this story. Like any horror story, the sequel always have 2 villains!
Sooo... her result was going from a groomer from another groomer and a zoophile?
Well i guess those three are made for each other 💀
Good Isaac run in the background
I may say, with the age of consent mention. The age of consent in Canada is 16, with consent of parent when applying to someone older than 18. 16 without parent consent with someone between the ages of 16-18. and 18 to consent to anyone over the age of 18. so technically, in the eyes of the law if Peacewolfs parents said no, then it is technically illegal
(sorry if this isn't super important, i know its not the focus of the video, but i wanted to share.)
its disgusting regardless. stay in your lane
Loving the echo rep at the start lmao
I read the post absolutely unaware of who these people really are, but knowing just a little more after watching this....I don't know who to feel bad for?? I mean, they're both just....awful....
Pretty much why I don't take sides in drama regarding breakups or divorces.
I'm gonna need that loss image...
smh
FUCK YEAH I BEEN WAITING FOR YOU TO MAKE A VIDEO ON THIS
Is Free Fur All 2023 still a thing? Will it have a ball pit and Foxler?
Yes it is starting this weekend believe it or not. The whole thing was entirely planned out but most of the past attendees left so it is going to be empty.
As outlandish and messed up this entire situation is, Peacewolfs tale about whats happened to her, her marriage with Foxglove, the abuse, the fear, unable to live up to "Lilly"... Im inclined to believe her about almost all of it. I have heard and seen eerily similar happen to others in the fandom multiple times. People forcing or coercing others into relationships to live up to their fictional/ideal waifu they have in their head then abusing them behind closed doors, isolating them. Unable to get away from their abuser because the fandom will lean into believing the more "popular" one in the relationship, which is almost always the abuser.
It happened to my friend (now my fiance) by his ex for almost a decade. Being made into being like his abusers fictional wife for so long, and when he would refuse or try to get away? Physically hitting or worse, or even threatening to kill them both in a rage (but not before posting jourals everywhere online claiming his victim would be the one trying to break into the room to kill him.) This went on for so long, until a couple of his closest friends managed to convince him to run away with a backpack and drive across states at the dead of night until he got to a friends house. This happened almost 6 years ago, and all of us involved in getting him away from this vile piece of crap still get harassed and stalked by his abuser and his abusers fans. Doesn't matter the proof we have of the abuser though, he claims it doesn't happen, so it tooootally didnt happen!.. Aside from the many Dms he has sent to people including us confirming he was abusing him. But nooo, Screenshots are photoshopped, etc. And because he has more followers, the fandom belives him no matter what.
Foxglove just isn't that type of person. Peacewolf wants to be Jason's side chick, but doing so was probably the death blow for FFA. she's desperately trying to tear Fox down as a method of damage control.
I dont believe a thing she said. Why? Because theres no reason for her to hide the evidence she allegedly has tons of...
Its allways the same: "Victim" writes a huge screed on social media detailing all the abuse, claims to have evidence, police reports etc. and then it turns out they lied their black heart out to get what they want: Be seen as the brave and stunning victim that stood up to their abuser. Thing is with Police reports especially.. they are public documents.. everyone can look them up.. and in this case they simply dont exist. Thats allready a blatantly obvious lie that everyone can check for themselves... so what else did peace lie about?
No this is a case of a woman having a early midlife crisis, feeling like she married to early and is missing out on life, and two vultures (Jason and Kabier) using this insecurity to manipulate said woman into becomming their personal fucktoy. Mark my words: this threesome relationship is going to blow up something fierce in the comming years with even more drama attached to it...
It has been a wild ride watching the entirety of your video Catalog @LagoVirt , and this is a wild note to end it in until the next thing comes around. 😊
I do hope you do more videos like the one you made about Changed. 😊