Bro how you did a 16 hour stream and didn't actually pick a winner which I was counting on you to 😢do so I can make a decision is ridiculous I waited on you for nothing back a square one that's why I'm here you s!ck
I currently have the s90d 77-in. I heard that the QD-OLED screens are easy to scratch I just looked at mine with the screen off with the flashlight and I have two scratches. I was thinking about taking it back and replacing with the QN90D 85 in or should I just get a replacement for the s90d or replace it with a QN90D. I am in the living room with light controlled environment. The only thing I will do is watch movies, TV shows, a little bit of news, no video games. Is the QN90d black levels almost the same as the s90d would I be disappointed with the QN90d.
Rock solid review. I do agree that the 10% dimming seems kinda pointless. But the good news is we should be able to avoid the service menu on the G3 as the OOTB dimming isn’t as substantial. As long as LG doesn’t add new firmware which makes the dimming more aggressive this is essentially the first non-dimming OLED for gaming.
''10% dimming seems kinda pointless'' Perhaps in testing they worked out this would make a difference over time. If we had the results of testing, this value might then make sesne to us.
Thank you so much for this! Especially touching on 4:4:4 mode. So glad to see settings can still be changed via optimizer. Def seems like a bug its blocked in other menu though. This is a must buy for me once prices drop some. Thank you for this! Technical, no BS, show the stuff.. love it. Was getting extremely annoyed at other 'tech channels' lately with info on this lol
Thank you for this video. Over the years this has been my ONLY problem with OLED technology, and not enough reviewers seem to cover it or even care about it. Great to see a dedicated video on these ‘issues’. Thanks!
Great video. Would love to see a video on dimming for the C3. It would be good to know whether GSR affects the C3 more than the G3, or if they’re the same
The G3 is gonna be brighter than the A80L and likely A95L, but LG's processing still hasn't made it to Sony or Panasonic's echelon of Detail, especially in low bit content. I've seen the A80L already on Javier's channel (AV pasion) and I actually prefer it over the G3, despite being not as bright. Brightness is not everything, but Picture quality.
Hey Classy, Been a bit but I wanna give you total props for all the hard work you still continue to do, I take delivery of my C3 this Saturday and ever since my E8 I wouldn’t touch another company and that’s only because Samsung messed the settings up way back when (I think the TV is in my room tour video) and I swore never again, after that I got a Sony 4K LCD but a year after that the E8 and onwards, so this video was super helpful especially as it’ll take me a few months to save up for a pro calibration.. If you still hear from Ninjician drop him a Yo from me and hopefully you have a crazy dope 2024 and keep these vids coming Love, Purpose n Peace MCD 🇬🇧
is there no way to increase the gaming sdr brightness at all? love the brightness for movies but gaming on my pc is so dim, even at night? turned power saving settings off and maxed out brightness setting.
I’ve had me 77G3 for a couple of days now and noticed dimming in HDR gaming a lot more than 10% when play MW3 . It’s doing it in game optimiser and FFM with dtm on .
yeah it goes down WAY more than 10% on my C3 as well - it's my first OLED and frankly the ABL dimming in bright scenes was kind of shocking in terms of how much it can ruin immersion and just generally kill the vibe lol
They will probably increase the dimming in game mode later on with an update My cx didn't dim but by 10-20% for first year in hdr gaming. Then, after about a year, an update caused it to dim like crazy.
I want to use C3 as a PC monitor for both professional work and leisure gaming, but I’m really concerned about auto-dimming while working with static windows and elements like web browsers and Photoshop. I currently have TPC disabled on my C1 because of the dimming. Should I still be concerned on the C3 since I can’t access the TPC service menu or has it been fixed enough thst auto-dimming wouldn’t be noticeable while working?
I have the exact set up you just described, in SDR mode you can get around the whole issue of ABL/Dimming by just adjusting a few settings. For me, G Sync & HDR off, contrast at 80, and OLED Brightness at 93, the display looks bright, vibrant and beautiful and I can display a full white screen with 0 dimming. I think this is a great middle ground for general PC use, productivity use, etc.. for gaming you can always re-enable HDR & G Sync/VRR if you want, though TBH most of the time I just leave it on these settings, because I know that even if I'm staring straight into the sun in a bright game, the screen isn't going to dim itself. The C3 ABL dimming in bright HDR games can be very distracting and honestly kind of ruins the entire experience depending on the game, I notice it a lot on my PS5
Looking forward for you doing a calibration walk thru with calman :) (... hrmm.. .i'm assuming one still needs to use an external pattern gen as they never fixed the internal one on last year's model.)
Hi Classy. I have a C3 that dims quite a bit in SDR game mode (logo dimming, pixel shift, energy savings, a.i, etc. are all turned off). Your Fortnight example is a prime example of when my C3 would dim. Is the G3 just that much better at holding the brightness in general vs. a C3 (in sdr game mode)? I thought it might be GSR on my set but the G3 would do it too if it was a software thing, correct? I'm just wondering if I have a faulty set, or the C3 simply behaves different with SDR game mode.
@@karlos5885i've tried FMM with ALLM engaged on the xbox. it doesn't dim, but i don't like the additional delay (albeit small) that it adds. FMM also is a no-go for Nintendo Switch, as there's no ALLM and the delay is way too long. SDR Game mode is the only option for Switch IMO, and it dims under this circumstance
I'm forced to play SDR games in Standard mode because the Game Optimizer mode dims the screen way too much and makes games look awful. It doesn't just dim it, the image looks blurrier to me. While the higher input latency isn't preferable, the image quality in SDR mode looks like I'm playing on a tube television with a switch box -- it's that bad. It also forces me to use "always on" HDR on PS5 even in unsupported games because the image quality is better than it is using the "Only when supported" option. That isn't the case with my QLED. As much as I love OLED, it feels weird buying such an expensive TV and low latency mode being locked behind a mode with terrible image quality. Cheap TV's with game modes that have low latency don't do that.
@@stuckintheinbetween I have the LG C3, and I use the standard non Game Optimizer mode as well for my PC gaming, oartially because Windows HDR is a goddamn disaster, and because with the settings I have set up, there's 0 ABL/Dimming! things look extremely sharp, clean and vibrant even in SDR. Also even though it's technically higher latency than game mode & ALLM etc.., at 120 HZ, things are still very responsive and I generally have no issue with keyboard and mouse controls or controller inputs. It's not ideal that all of these amazing gaming features are turned off the vast majority of my time on such an expensive device though, I'll be honest the dimming/ABL and low brightness/shitty image quality of Game Mode in SDR is something I wasn't expecting or ready for when I purchased this thing
The S95C and S90C can disable logo dimming in the user menu and all dimming in the service menu. The S90C gets my recommendation for gaming since the one connect box on the S95C can have signal drop outs in game mode.
Unrelated to the tv but I saw a very interesting setting on your Xbox! You had the ability to use VRR only in games??? Is it because you are insider and got an unreleased firmware? I’m looking forward this setting because on my LG I can’t watch movies on the Xbox because of this.. it’s create a bug of invalid format it’s super wierd
LG shouldn't have been so quick judge burn in and image retention of QD OLED. Now the G3 is having image retention which likely also means an increase in burn in potential. Should be interesting to see how the G3 fairs in RTINGs testing when they add it.
Image retention is not a good sign and definitely a concern , I expect a firmware to possible lower the brightness to avoid panel problems if this becomes more apparent. Excellent video 🔥
Great review, however a question. At 16:15 you say "this is GSR... causing a slight reduction in the brightness of the entire image." Is this faulty implementation? I thought GSR was supposed to dim the static elements only?
@@ClassyTechCalibrations interesting, thanks for the information. Any idea why they can't dim just the static elements? I expect if the processor can detect what is static they can use the same pixel information to turn down the brightness of those pixels. Feels like it'd have been a "game changer" for HUD/gaming related content and panel longevity.
In the video, you run the dimming test on the Witcher for ~10 mins. How about if I keep playing the game for like 30, 60 mins. Would the brightness keep dropping or it will maintain at the 10% dimming ? I’m just really annoyed by the aggressive dimming on my Sony A90k and I’m thinking of changing to a C3. Thanks a lot
Dimming on C3 is pretty rough man lol any bright HDR game on my PS5 on my LG C3 turns the entire screen to grey low contrast sludge if you look at the sky, sun, white wall, big explosion, magic spell, literally anything bright that takes up a bunch of the screen will cause massive, immediate dimming that's impossible not to notice. This is my first OLED and I frankly couldn't believe that this is normal behavior, but apparently that's just the nature of ABL
It does depend on the game, but I was surprised how many games trigger the aggressive ABL. Only way to avoid it is to play in Standard SDR mode without all the gaming features and set up your settings so that ABL never kicks in in the first place - lots of major trade offs to deal with , a lot more than I was expecting
Thanks. That‘s all I wanted to know about this TV. I‘m very interested to see how the S95C will compare especially in terms of accuracy in game mode and posterization. If only you could be sure to not get it destroyed by the next firmware update or repair…
Playing Overwatch 2 in my LG C3 I notice to much how the ABL dimms the screen every time lights and white shoot guns happens, even on Street Fighter 6 powers. The only solution I found is to reduce the contrast and that helps but I have to reduce it to 70 or even less. That Sucks!! (reducing the backlight doesn't matter it still hapens even on very low value, but reducing the contrast it reduces this annoying ABL.. Still I'm not happy with this 😓)
Yup, i just got an LG C3 and in certain games that have a lot of bright flashing on large areas of screen, it becomes completely immersion destroying, it's a huge problem that prior to buying it I really seldom heard reviewers even mention
300 nits full field is better still but not quite led levels. then again this is filmmaker mode so actually pretty promising. will most likely pick this up on black friday and finally make the jump to oled.
Question. Can 55 G3 sustain (2000nits in real content) not windowed measurements? For example if using, ALLM FMM DTM off, accessing signal overide menu and setting maxCLL too 2000
@ClassyTechCalibrations ok thanks. Im asking because I don't know. I guess my understanding from what I read was if you use DTM off and then go into signal overide and change mastering peak and maxCLL from auto to specific (nit value) you can manipulate the auto 4000nit tone mapping down to 1000 or 2000 nit hard clip?? For example when I change it from auto to say 1000 or 2000 and then go back to xbox hdr calibration menu, I will notice that the DTM off now clips at 1000 or 2000 instead of the 4000 when leaving the signal overide at auto.
Another quick question if you can help. I just got color control downloaded correctly on my laptop. I haven't turned on the G3 yet to connect the two. But my question is, once I do. How exactly do I "force HGIG" on FMM mode between the XBOX, G3 and color control app?
@@MrEiootodellist becuz color Just try GoW Ragnarok or Ratchet & Clank in 120hz mode which does 4:2:2 and you will realize why full chroma is important even in consoles
7:00 Why does your max luminance peak at 1500nits and mine peaks at 2180nits? I'm using the Windows HDR Calibration tool (win11). On my c9 it peak at 780nits like it should be. I did this on both filmmaker mode with DTM off and Game mode with hgig on. Thanks
Thank you for what you do! Could you tell if it's possible to adjust the white balance with multipoint (10 point or 22 point) precision in the Game Optimizer image mode and with input set to PC / Chroma 4:4:4 Passthrough option enabled, by any chance? I know that Game Optimizer mode allows for a 2 point adjustment, but that feels inadequate to me taking into account the extent of inaccuracies in that mode, especially with it's EOTF tracking in SDR (well, in fact I haven't seen the measurements for C3 so I'm going by the previous models since it's highly unlikely anything has changed in this regard, though originally this question was with C2 in mind). Or is it possible to do a hardware calibration for that image mode via CalMan' calibration suite for LG? Does that bypass the image processing limitations imposed by that mode? I'd be EXTREMELY grateful if you could clear that up for me!
They always advertise nits for dynamic mode no calibration with native white point 9000k just to say 2000 nits, when in reality after calibration and accurate picture modes you lose 500 nits, the S95C is even lower only hits 1300 nits.
With all these different modes IE Game, Film(movies), SDR, HDR, etc,is there a simple one-stop solution to simply choose those modes before you IE game,or watch a movie etc? Having to do settings every time i switched tasks would be a PITA LOL Also the SDR/HDR confused me a tad How do i know if a game/movie is SDR or HDR? And when i know is that just as simple as going in and switching on SDR or HDR as required?
Great video! Can you confirm if TPC and GSR can still be disabled in the service menu on the C3? I watched another video about a month older than yours saying that LG removed the option to turn it off in the service menu. Thanks
Classy I have a receiver (yamaha a4a)and a 65g3 with game consoles ( series x and switch) and Nvidia Shield. What would you recommemd? Comnect everything to receiver and share picture settings? (If so which for sd and for hdr?) Or connect everything to tv and use earc with separate settings
Great video - helped me purchase the G3 - I have a dumb question - if I use the flush mount can I put led lights behind it - I am coming from a C9 and love the lights
Classy, if I want to play games on the C3 with FMM + DTM OFF how do I setup the system level and in game HDR? I’ve already calibrated with HGIG to clip at 800 nits. Do I need to go through again with DTM off and recalibrate. Or is it ok to just switch between HGIG and DTM OFF within games?
Almost wonder if the mla could be exasperating the retention seeing as it's supposed to capture "lost light". Hard to say but it is a bit concerning when it comes too longevity. Edit: by exasperating I mean making it look worse than it actually is. Not contributing to the retention and damaging the pixels.
HEY BUDDY THE ONLY WAY TO CHANGE THE GAME PREFERENCE MENU IS BY SWITCHING THE SOUND TO GAME OPTIMIZER SOUND.. WHAT THE GAME OPTIMIZER SETTINGS AND IT WILL UNLOCK THE GAME GENRE PREFERENCE
Thank you for the great info Classy! When you say no “peak brightness” setting in SDR, would you say the picture still can get brighter in SDR than say a Sony Oled with peak brightness high but the high end Luma range will not appear to “pop” as much as the Sony’s allow it to?
Will you reveal how to access the real service menu to disable TPC, GSR, or even use Module HDR ON on SDR to get the maximum full screen brightness for BFI
When I play an HDR game the tv doesn’t switch to HDR mode, I have all green checks as well on my G3, running it through Yamaha A4A with updated hdmi board. If I go to calibrate menu in Xbox it switches tv to hdr. Any suggestions?
If you turn on the game optimizer in FMM/cinema/etc and have ALLM on the TV and the console, then it's only around 1 added frame of input lag. You would have to change your console/game HDR settings to 4000 nits as well.
Hi i got the c3 55inch I disabled gsr and tpc and dimming in service menu and disabled screen move and logo brightness in tv setting Now i play about 2h of fifa 2h of mw3 all hdr Is it ok to use it like this for 2 3 years ?
Ok, but what about "Near black chrominance overshoot" on the C3 on every kind of content (TV shows/series/movies, USB/BluRay movies/series, games, SD / HD / HDR content)? Does it have a yellow/white ghosting trail when dark things moves slowly around?. Like the 2 movies' moments here at 5:03 th-cam.com/video/E5qXj-vpX5Q/w-d-xo.html Debating on getting the C3 (C2 not sold in Spain anymore anywhere) but i want to get the doubt outta my head My uses are the TV/USB/BluRay contents above (Again, SD HD HDR included) and PS5/Switch.
hey i have a c3 but for some reason i can't use just scan option and its greyed out when im gaming and no matter which mode i use while gaming its always greyed out. please help!
I’m still waiting for my C8 to have any issues before replacing it with a bigger G series. Does the G3 use the same wall mount as the G2? I remodeled my room and got a g2 mount so I could reinforce the wall and set up a recessed power outlet. I’m just waiting 🤣. Thanks for the vid classy
can someone help wot is the hdr peak brightness for the lg c3 in game mode nmee to no for hdr luminance games that have a level & why does the c3 or g3 support local dimming feature & pass through 4.4.4.4 is only for pc
*No difference in SDR?* Look at the green bar. It is very different. The difference is about as much as the red health bar you pointed out earlier. These differences are similar to what were potential deal breakers when comparing the Sony Oled's to LG last year on this channel. Seems a little disingenuous to me.
Has these issues been fixed? Looking for a new tv preferably oled but dont like how it doesnt let you adjust much when game mode is on. I like to fine tune my colors and brightness based on what i think looks good. So being locked out seems like i should spend my money elsewhere
@@ClassyTechCalibrations im just iffy when it comes to samsung. The last one i had only lasted a year before half the leds quit working. Ill look into it tho with that kind of money i want it to be really good
@@ImThatGhostz all the brands have around the same failure percentage. Can happen regardless of brand. Consider buying from somewhere with a good warranty if it's a concern for you. The performance difference is pretty drastic in gaming.
@@ClassyTechCalibrations thats the main reason i want a oled is for the performance difference since i game alot. The vizio tv i got now has around 10ms response time so something along those line would he great. My biggest issue would be how bright does it get because my current tv is 400 nits and its perfect brightness for me just everything else is a let down lol
@@xFrxsty Best Buy warranty should cover other issues such as speakers failing or power supply failing. While LG is just the display, anything else breaks or fails you pay.
I have c3 and Ps4 and in game mode my image is like twice as dim as yours in Witcher 3. It's so dim it's barely playable, even at night. Is my tv defective or what? I'd say that my tv in light room mode is slightly dimmer than yours in game mode. And I see almost no difference between standard mode and energy save mode
LG c3 oled wont play some of my pc games and I get very low fps on some games the games played on Lg c2 bet won't play on new c3 tv can anyone help me with the issue.
Man I wish LG did not cheap out and brought back 120hz BFI, it's a killer feature for me personally but not enough people care about it so LG just ignore it :( Nice review looks like a great TV but without 120hz BFI and the nerfed 60hz BFI I will just stick to LG CX. I would like all the other benefits these TV's provide that extra full screen brightness would be great for BFI! Don't really care for HDR in gaming since it's broken or the implementation is bad most of the time / care far more about motion clarity and how that improves gaming picture quality especially in fast paced games or side scrollers.
I use filmmaker mode and bypass hgig and the g3 and c3 will peak out at 4000 mtml with DTM. Its awesome to be able to play hdr games and still be able to keep the color boost and have almost 1200 more nits to go alomg with it.❤❤
this tv is no option for me. on daytime and normal light conditions the blacks look worse. i really not understand why they did that only for a bit more brightness.
Can they just give us a reference mode already? I don't care if it caps the brightness to 200 nits... I'm just tired of displays changing the source image.
If Lg knows what’s good for them especially after talking all that shit about RTINGs burn in testing then I bet that dimming gets more aggressive in later firmware. Because it’s very alarming that a window size that big took so long to disperse. That’s the type of shit you see on oleds with a few thousand hours, not OOTB
just buy a hdmi multi adapter lol, buying a brand based on amount of hdmi ports which is the issue that is most easily solvable, is always funny, almost cringe.
@@ClassyTechCalibrations oh how much of in increase is it over a C9 full screen brightness I might just wait until we can get oled to hit 900 nits full screen brightness maybe in a few years
@@ployth9000 it's a mostly pointless metric. The G3 is the first WRGB OLED that doesn't suffer any ABL dips in most 1000nit graded content. The high APL scenes match the brightest LCDs now.
LOL a new review for each firmware update! This is a gift that keeps on giving
After what Samsung did last year with tue s95b I welcome reviews on the firmware updates
Bro how you did a 16 hour stream and didn't actually pick a winner which I was counting on you to 😢do so I can make a decision is ridiculous I waited on you for nothing back a square one that's why I'm here you s!ck
I currently have the s90d 77-in. I heard that the QD-OLED screens are easy to scratch I just looked at mine with the screen off with the flashlight and I have two scratches. I was thinking about taking it back and replacing with the QN90D 85 in or should I just get a replacement for the s90d or replace it with a QN90D. I am in the living room with light controlled environment. The only thing I will do is watch movies, TV shows, a little bit of news, no video games. Is the QN90d black levels almost the same as the s90d would I be disappointed with the QN90d.
Rock solid review. I do agree that the 10% dimming seems kinda pointless. But the good news is we should be able to avoid the service menu on the G3 as the OOTB dimming isn’t as substantial. As long as LG doesn’t add new firmware which makes the dimming more aggressive this is essentially the first non-dimming OLED for gaming.
''10% dimming seems kinda pointless'' Perhaps in testing they worked out this would make a difference over time. If we had the results of testing, this value might then make sesne to us.
Thank you so much for this! Especially touching on 4:4:4 mode. So glad to see settings can still be changed via optimizer. Def seems like a bug its blocked in other menu though.
This is a must buy for me once prices drop some. Thank you for this! Technical, no BS, show the stuff.. love it. Was getting extremely annoyed at other 'tech channels' lately with info on this lol
Thank you for this video. Over the years this has been my ONLY problem with OLED technology, and not enough reviewers seem to cover it or even care about it. Great to see a dedicated video on these ‘issues’. Thanks!
Great video. Would love to see a video on dimming for the C3. It would be good to know whether GSR affects the C3 more than the G3, or if they’re the same
The G3 is gonna be brighter than the A80L and likely A95L, but LG's processing still hasn't made it to Sony or Panasonic's echelon of Detail, especially in low bit content.
I've seen the A80L already on Javier's channel (AV pasion) and I actually prefer it over the G3, despite being not as bright. Brightness is not everything, but Picture quality.
To enable all image options, just go to the sound menu and set the sound to "game mode". This way the image options will be enabled :)
Don't work. Already tried that.
@@hossbr549blitz2 it work. I did it without issues
Hey Classy,
Been a bit but I wanna give you total props for all the hard work you still continue to do, I take delivery of my C3 this Saturday and ever since my E8 I wouldn’t touch another company and that’s only because Samsung messed the settings up way back when (I think the TV is in my room tour video) and I swore never again, after that I got a Sony 4K LCD but a year after that the E8 and onwards, so this video was super helpful especially as it’ll take me a few months to save up for a pro calibration..
If you still hear from Ninjician drop him a Yo from me and hopefully you have a crazy dope 2024 and keep these vids coming
Love, Purpose n Peace MCD 🇬🇧
Image retention is concerning. Was considering a G3, but as a gamer, this makes me want to wait and see how this pans out.
Might be to bright for it's own good lol
is there no way to increase the gaming sdr brightness at all? love the brightness for movies but gaming on my pc is so dim, even at night? turned power saving settings off and maxed out brightness setting.
I’ve had me 77G3 for a couple of days now and noticed dimming in HDR gaming a lot more than 10% when play MW3 . It’s doing it in game optimiser and FFM with dtm on .
yeah it goes down WAY more than 10% on my C3 as well - it's my first OLED and frankly the ABL dimming in bright scenes was kind of shocking in terms of how much it can ruin immersion and just generally kill the vibe lol
@Classy Tech Calibrations
Look, let’s just get down to it. Do you like the S95c or G3 more?? Simple as that
Man, you're a real treasure! Thank you so much for all this.
Been waiting for this, thanks man.
They will probably increase the dimming in game mode later on with an update
My cx didn't dim but by 10-20% for first year in hdr gaming. Then, after about a year, an update caused it to dim like crazy.
This is why I had the updates off since the day I got my C1. it never knew the internet, lol
I respect your honesty because everyone swears it’s only Samsung with firmware updates but LG does similar things also
Hi classy how does the colour volume hold up against the s95c or just qd oled in general?
I want to use C3 as a PC monitor for both professional work and leisure gaming, but I’m really concerned about auto-dimming while working with static windows and elements like web browsers and Photoshop. I currently have TPC disabled on my C1 because of the dimming. Should I still be concerned on the C3 since I can’t access the TPC service menu or has it been fixed enough thst auto-dimming wouldn’t be noticeable while working?
I have the exact set up you just described, in SDR mode you can get around the whole issue of ABL/Dimming by just adjusting a few settings. For me, G Sync & HDR off, contrast at 80, and OLED Brightness at 93, the display looks bright, vibrant and beautiful and I can display a full white screen with 0 dimming. I think this is a great middle ground for general PC use, productivity use, etc.. for gaming you can always re-enable HDR & G Sync/VRR if you want, though TBH most of the time I just leave it on these settings, because I know that even if I'm staring straight into the sun in a bright game, the screen isn't going to dim itself. The C3 ABL dimming in bright HDR games can be very distracting and honestly kind of ruins the entire experience depending on the game, I notice it a lot on my PS5
Looking forward for you doing a calibration walk thru with calman :) (... hrmm.. .i'm assuming one still needs to use an external pattern gen as they never fixed the internal one on last year's model.)
Hi Classy. I have a C3 that dims quite a bit in SDR game mode (logo dimming, pixel shift, energy savings, a.i, etc. are all turned off). Your Fortnight example is a prime example of when my C3 would dim. Is the G3 just that much better at holding the brightness in general vs. a C3 (in sdr game mode)? I thought it might be GSR on my set but the G3 would do it too if it was a software thing, correct? I'm just wondering if I have a faulty set, or the C3 simply behaves different with SDR game mode.
try fmm mode
@@karlos5885i've tried FMM with ALLM engaged on the xbox. it doesn't dim, but i don't like the additional delay (albeit small) that it adds. FMM also is a no-go for Nintendo Switch, as there's no ALLM and the delay is way too long. SDR Game mode is the only option for Switch IMO, and it dims under this circumstance
I'm forced to play SDR games in Standard mode because the Game Optimizer mode dims the screen way too much and makes games look awful. It doesn't just dim it, the image looks blurrier to me. While the higher input latency isn't preferable, the image quality in SDR mode looks like I'm playing on a tube television with a switch box -- it's that bad. It also forces me to use "always on" HDR on PS5 even in unsupported games because the image quality is better than it is using the "Only when supported" option. That isn't the case with my QLED. As much as I love OLED, it feels weird buying such an expensive TV and low latency mode being locked behind a mode with terrible image quality. Cheap TV's with game modes that have low latency don't do that.
@@stuckintheinbetween I have the LG C3, and I use the standard non Game Optimizer mode as well for my PC gaming, oartially because Windows HDR is a goddamn disaster, and because with the settings I have set up, there's 0 ABL/Dimming! things look extremely sharp, clean and vibrant even in SDR. Also even though it's technically higher latency than game mode & ALLM etc.., at 120 HZ, things are still very responsive and I generally have no issue with keyboard and mouse controls or controller inputs. It's not ideal that all of these amazing gaming features are turned off the vast majority of my time on such an expensive device though, I'll be honest the dimming/ABL and low brightness/shitty image quality of Game Mode in SDR is something I wasn't expecting or ready for when I purchased this thing
Hi there ! Love your videos! Can you advise on the s95c for gaming and whether dimming is more of an issue or not. Was considering it for my gaming tv
The S95C and S90C can disable logo dimming in the user menu and all dimming in the service menu. The S90C gets my recommendation for gaming since the one connect box on the S95C can have signal drop outs in game mode.
Unrelated to the tv but I saw a very interesting setting on your Xbox! You had the ability to use VRR only in games??? Is it because you are insider and got an unreleased firmware? I’m looking forward this setting because on my LG I can’t watch movies on the Xbox because of this.. it’s create a bug of invalid format it’s super wierd
Yes, Xbox Insiders have that setting now. Not the public OS.
LG shouldn't have been so quick judge burn in and image retention of QD OLED. Now the G3 is having image retention which likely also means an increase in burn in potential. Should be interesting to see how the G3 fairs in RTINGs testing when they add it.
Image retention is not a good sign and definitely a concern , I expect a firmware to possible lower the brightness to avoid panel problems if this becomes more apparent.
Excellent video 🔥
Great review, however a question. At 16:15 you say "this is GSR... causing a slight reduction in the brightness of the entire image." Is this faulty implementation? I thought GSR was supposed to dim the static elements only?
Logo detection and GSR scan for static elements but dim everything when they are detected.
@@ClassyTechCalibrations interesting, thanks for the information. Any idea why they can't dim just the static elements? I expect if the processor can detect what is static they can use the same pixel information to turn down the brightness of those pixels.
Feels like it'd have been a "game changer" for HUD/gaming related content and panel longevity.
How accurate is the game mode? And do yo uhave any input lag numbers for more accurate modes (filmmaker) but with ALLM?
Thought LG was supposed to have fixed this with an update?
In the video, you run the dimming test on the Witcher for ~10 mins. How about if I keep playing the game for like 30, 60 mins. Would the brightness keep dropping or it will maintain at the 10% dimming ? I’m just really annoyed by the aggressive dimming on my Sony A90k and I’m thinking of changing to a C3. Thanks a lot
Dimming on C3 is pretty rough man lol any bright HDR game on my PS5 on my LG C3 turns the entire screen to grey low contrast sludge if you look at the sky, sun, white wall, big explosion, magic spell, literally anything bright that takes up a bunch of the screen will cause massive, immediate dimming that's impossible not to notice. This is my first OLED and I frankly couldn't believe that this is normal behavior, but apparently that's just the nature of ABL
It does depend on the game, but I was surprised how many games trigger the aggressive ABL. Only way to avoid it is to play in Standard SDR mode without all the gaming features and set up your settings so that ABL never kicks in in the first place - lots of major trade offs to deal with , a lot more than I was expecting
Thanks. That‘s all I wanted to know about this TV. I‘m very interested to see how the S95C will compare especially in terms of accuracy in game mode and posterization. If only you could be sure to not get it destroyed by the next firmware update or repair…
Playing Overwatch 2 in my LG C3 I notice to much how the ABL dimms the screen every time lights and white shoot guns happens, even on Street Fighter 6 powers. The only solution I found is to reduce the contrast and that helps but I have to reduce it to 70 or even less. That Sucks!!
(reducing the backlight doesn't matter it still hapens even on very low value, but reducing the contrast it reduces this annoying ABL.. Still I'm not happy with this 😓)
Yup, i just got an LG C3 and in certain games that have a lot of bright flashing on large areas of screen, it becomes completely immersion destroying, it's a huge problem that prior to buying it I really seldom heard reviewers even mention
300 nits full field is better still but not quite led levels.
then again this is filmmaker mode so actually pretty promising.
will most likely pick this up on black friday and finally make the jump
to oled.
yeah true- but i enjoy the pop colors on my c1 more than my brighter Sony mini led x95K for non hdr tv viewing
Question. Can 55 G3 sustain
(2000nits in real content) not windowed measurements?
For example if using, ALLM FMM DTM off, accessing signal overide menu and setting maxCLL too 2000
@@J.A.P_8950 no, that's not how that works. Override menu doesn't change the brightness ability.
@ClassyTechCalibrations ok thanks. Im asking because I don't know. I guess my understanding from what I read was if you use DTM off and then go into signal overide and change mastering peak and maxCLL from auto to specific (nit value) you can manipulate the auto 4000nit tone mapping down to 1000 or 2000 nit hard clip??
For example when I change it from auto to say 1000 or 2000 and then go back to xbox hdr calibration menu, I will notice that the DTM off now clips at 1000 or 2000 instead of the 4000 when leaving the signal overide at auto.
Another quick question if you can help.
I just got color control downloaded correctly on my laptop. I haven't turned on the G3 yet to connect the two. But my question is, once I do. How exactly do I "force HGIG" on FMM mode between the XBOX, G3 and color control app?
Should we use 4:4:4 for game consoles?
yes.
@@moorgogel Why? Tell us.
@@MrEiootodellist becuz color
Just try GoW Ragnarok or Ratchet & Clank in 120hz mode which does 4:2:2 and you will realize why full chroma is important even in consoles
Do we still need to put console icon to PC ?
@@thekids_callmeboss6577 not in G3 and C3
7:00 Why does your max luminance peak at 1500nits and mine peaks at 2180nits?
I'm using the Windows HDR Calibration tool (win11). On my c9 it peak at 780nits like it should be.
I did this on both filmmaker mode with DTM off and Game mode with hgig on. Thanks
Game mode with HGiG should clip at 1500. DTM off will still tone map and not hard clip.
Thank you for what you do!
Could you tell if it's possible to adjust the white balance with multipoint (10 point or 22 point) precision in the Game Optimizer image mode and with input set to PC / Chroma 4:4:4 Passthrough option enabled, by any chance? I know that Game Optimizer mode allows for a 2 point adjustment, but that feels inadequate to me taking into account the extent of inaccuracies in that mode, especially with it's EOTF tracking in SDR (well, in fact I haven't seen the measurements for C3 so I'm going by the previous models since it's highly unlikely anything has changed in this regard, though originally this question was with C2 in mind).
Or is it possible to do a hardware calibration for that image mode via CalMan' calibration suite for LG? Does that bypass the image processing limitations imposed by that mode?
I'd be EXTREMELY grateful if you could clear that up for me!
I would have thought it is the lenses creating heat build up, keeping the pixels hotter for longer leading to image retention.
@John Hooper So the heat from the panel is not being transferred to the lenses then. Thank you for clearing this up.
Great video as always 👍
What happened to the 2000 nits advertisement? And whats up with the image retention? 😮
They always advertise nits for dynamic mode no calibration with native white point 9000k just to say 2000 nits, when in reality after calibration and accurate picture modes you lose 500 nits, the S95C is even lower only hits 1300 nits.
With all these different modes IE Game, Film(movies), SDR, HDR, etc,is there a simple one-stop solution to simply choose those modes before you IE game,or watch a movie etc?
Having to do settings every time i switched tasks would be a PITA LOL
Also the SDR/HDR confused me a tad
How do i know if a game/movie is SDR or HDR? And when i know is that just as simple as going in and switching on SDR or HDR as required?
Great video! Can you confirm if TPC and GSR can still be disabled in the service menu on the C3? I watched another video about a month older than yours saying that LG removed the option to turn it off in the service menu. Thanks
Yes and no. It's still there but access to the service menu now requires different means.
Classy I have a receiver (yamaha a4a)and a 65g3 with game consoles ( series x and switch) and Nvidia Shield. What would you recommemd? Comnect everything to receiver and share picture settings? (If so which for sd and for hdr?) Or connect everything to tv and use earc with separate settings
Does the “Dark Room Mode” simply decrease the “OLED Pixel Brightness” value ?
classy tech calibrations, you are the best
It's still greyed out in the TV settings when in game optimizer which sucks. I want to customize my TV without restrictions
Great video - helped me purchase the G3 - I have a dumb question - if I use the flush mount can I put led lights behind it - I am coming from a C9 and love the lights
Hey classy, but all the dimming and extra logo dimming can be completely turned off in the service menu correct?
Classy, if I want to play games on the C3 with FMM + DTM OFF how do I setup the system level and in game HDR?
I’ve already calibrated with HGIG to clip at 800 nits. Do I need to go through again with DTM off and recalibrate. Or is it ok to just switch between HGIG and DTM OFF within games?
Almost wonder if the mla could be exasperating the retention seeing as it's supposed to capture "lost light". Hard to say but it is a bit concerning when it comes too longevity.
Edit: by exasperating I mean making it look worse than it actually is. Not contributing to the retention and damaging the pixels.
If that’s the case it might be a better idea to go g2 or 83” g3 without the MLA
Is asbl still an issue after the software update that happened about 1-2 months ago that was meant to get rid of it?
HEY BUDDY THE ONLY WAY TO CHANGE THE GAME PREFERENCE MENU IS BY SWITCHING THE SOUND TO GAME OPTIMIZER SOUND.. WHAT THE GAME OPTIMIZER SETTINGS AND IT WILL UNLOCK THE GAME GENRE PREFERENCE
HEY BUDDY YOU'VE NEVER BEEN TO BEAMISH
Thank you for the great info Classy! When you say no “peak brightness” setting in SDR, would you say the picture still can get brighter in SDR than say a Sony Oled with peak brightness high but the high end Luma range will not appear to “pop” as much as the Sony’s allow it to?
I think lg has an option to disable abl with service menu.I had enough of brightness drop.
ABL OLED is disgusting
@@trumpameri1638 it really does suck dick I can't lie, I'm overall enjoying my C3 but the ABL on particularly bright games is dogshit
could be hgig the problem? what if you set dtm to off and rolloffpoints to 100%?
Will you reveal how to access the real service menu to disable TPC, GSR, or even use Module HDR ON on SDR to get the maximum full screen brightness for BFI
should I set the icon for ps5 to game console or pc? I've seen so many conflicting posts about this.
Love it Classy!!! I swear this is my ASMR…
Is that an evo panel or is it still a lottery like C2?
When I play an HDR game the tv doesn’t switch to HDR mode, I have all green checks as well on my G3, running it through Yamaha A4A with updated hdmi board. If I go to calibrate menu in Xbox it switches tv to hdr. Any suggestions?
This is a 20percent extra LG AI brightness for 55 inch above tv after 2022 which is not in 48 inch models
I’m buying a LG C3 on Thursday. Is there anyway I can get ahold of u anywhere for a DM.
Heard color boost is not available in game mode, for single player games would it be better to play on filmmaker mode?
If you turn on the game optimizer in FMM/cinema/etc and have ALLM on the TV and the console, then it's only around 1 added frame of input lag. You would have to change your console/game HDR settings to 4000 nits as well.
Overall, is the g3 worth 600 more than other oled? Sony Samsung included.. I’m ok with the pq but issues and all that
Hi i got the c3 55inch
I disabled gsr and tpc and dimming in service menu and disabled screen move and logo brightness in tv setting
Now i play about 2h of fifa 2h of mw3 all hdr
Is it ok to use it like this for 2 3 years ?
Incredible Intel
Ok, but what about "Near black chrominance overshoot" on the C3 on every kind of content (TV shows/series/movies, USB/BluRay movies/series, games, SD / HD / HDR content)?
Does it have a yellow/white ghosting trail when dark things moves slowly around?. Like the 2 movies' moments here at 5:03 th-cam.com/video/E5qXj-vpX5Q/w-d-xo.html
Debating on getting the C3 (C2 not sold in Spain anymore anywhere) but i want to get the doubt outta my head
My uses are the TV/USB/BluRay contents above (Again, SD HD HDR included) and PS5/Switch.
Hello. Does anyone know how to set transparent menu in LG G3?
No word about VRR-flickering? :/
It hasn't changed
@@ClassyTechCalibrations Do you still use your C2 as a monitor? Could you compare it?
@@hideff4982 no I don't have it anymore. The S95C should be here soon though.
The c2/g2 definitely seems like a better tv, less drama and problems to worry about and much more customisation
Explain
Forza Horizon and RDR2 are the games with the brightest HDR.
You need to do this game comparison to get an accurate comparison.
This or qned 86 i cant decide, i know nothing about tvs really need advice, waiting for black friday?
Any OLED would be better than the QNED
@@ClassyTechCalibrations even with that horrible dimming?
@@Cagefighterany is any
@@optimalsettings what r u on?
Awesome review classy 👏
Hey Classy. Great Video! Ver disappointing the Dolby Vision Gaming is still too bright.
hey i have a c3 but for some reason i can't use just scan option and its greyed out when im gaming and no matter which mode i use while gaming its always greyed out. please help!
active sound game optimezer
@@karlos5885 i've done that already, it still doesn't works. i can always change the aspect ratio but not the"just scan"option.
I’m still waiting for my C8 to have any issues before replacing it with a bigger G series. Does the G3 use the same wall mount as the G2? I remodeled my room and got a g2 mount so I could reinforce the wall and set up a recessed power outlet. I’m just waiting 🤣.
Thanks for the vid classy
Brother can you recommend the better overall tv the LG G3 OR S95C IM about to pull the trigger I'm a heavy gamer
I'm getting the S95C Monday, will compare next week.
Dude I'm looking forward to it
Hey brother I had my heart set on a 85 inch so I was considering the qn900b n
@@skywatcher9076 if you don't plan to use dynamic mode on the QN, the S95C/G3 can get as bright or brighter in most content than the mini LED LCDs.
Samsung always best solution for gaming
can someone help wot is the hdr peak brightness for the lg c3 in game mode nmee to no for hdr luminance games that have a level & why does the c3 or g3 support local dimming feature & pass through 4.4.4.4 is only for pc
800 nits
@anthony3192 cheers found out the info & tweek the tv settings in a dark room the c3 shines
*No difference in SDR?* Look at the green bar. It is very different. The difference is about as much as the red health bar you pointed out earlier. These differences are similar to what were potential deal breakers when comparing the Sony Oled's to LG last year on this channel. Seems a little disingenuous to me.
Has these issues been fixed? Looking for a new tv preferably oled but dont like how it doesnt let you adjust much when game mode is on. I like to fine tune my colors and brightness based on what i think looks good. So being locked out seems like i should spend my money elsewhere
The S90C is a much better gaming display overall.
@@ClassyTechCalibrations im just iffy when it comes to samsung. The last one i had only lasted a year before half the leds quit working. Ill look into it tho with that kind of money i want it to be really good
@@ImThatGhostz all the brands have around the same failure percentage. Can happen regardless of brand. Consider buying from somewhere with a good warranty if it's a concern for you. The performance difference is pretty drastic in gaming.
@@ClassyTechCalibrations thats the main reason i want a oled is for the performance difference since i game alot. The vizio tv i got now has around 10ms response time so something along those line would he great. My biggest issue would be how bright does it get because my current tv is 400 nits and its perfect brightness for me just everything else is a let down lol
@@ImThatGhostz the S90C will be considerably brighter than the Vizio.
deciding between the 65 A95k or 65 G3? what would you recommend?
So far the G3 is a clear step up from the A95K in high APL and highlight brightness.
@@ClassyTechCalibrations maybe ill wait for the a95l and decide between the two. hopefully it comes out soon. tired of waiting lol
@@Brytech1216 I think it comes out at the end of summer iirc
@@Brytech1216 the price difference will also be a huge factor tho
Wait the LG G3 has a 5 year manufacturer warranty that covers burn in??
Yes the panel is covered but labor still cost.
@@HegoDamaskII wow I didn’t know that, so in that case the bestbuy 5 year geek squad warranty that covers burn in is pointless?
@@xFrxsty Best Buy warranty should cover other issues such as speakers failing or power supply failing. While LG is just the display, anything else breaks or fails you pay.
Has there been any word from LG yet on the broken game optimizer options? Hopefully will get fixed in a future update.
They are aware and working on a new firmware.
@Classy Tech Calibrations Thanks Classy, much appreciation for all the great work!
Been planning on getting the g3 but if this wasn’t fixed I’m going w A95K. Was this ever addressed. I see this is 2 months old
G3 is on my short list (or the C3, waiting for comparisons) , thank you ! Subscribed.
I have c3 and Ps4 and in game mode my image is like twice as dim as yours in Witcher 3. It's so dim it's barely playable, even at night.
Is my tv defective or what? I'd say that my tv in light room mode is slightly dimmer than yours in game mode. And I see almost no difference between standard mode and energy save mode
energy off?
@@karlos5885 energy saving off. Logo liminance off. Auto brightness off.
Does this TV cause burn in?
LG c3 oled wont play some of my pc games and I get very low fps on some games the games played on Lg c2 bet won't play on new c3 tv can anyone help me with the issue.
The screen dimming is still there in sdr. Especially with a lot of yellow on the screen... The Brightness goes way down...
Very informative vid. Thank you.
Gonna lose my sh*t if it doesn't have 120hz BFI AGAIN.
10:00 And there it is. Rip
Still holding on my C1 for dear life
😅
I don't know why but I can't get 120 HZ with my PC on my G3
Man I wish LG did not cheap out and brought back 120hz BFI, it's a killer feature for me personally but not enough people care about it so LG just ignore it :( Nice review looks like a great TV but without 120hz BFI and the nerfed 60hz BFI I will just stick to LG CX. I would like all the other benefits these TV's provide that extra full screen brightness would be great for BFI!
Don't really care for HDR in gaming since it's broken or the implementation is bad most of the time / care far more about motion clarity and how that improves gaming picture quality especially in fast paced games or side scrollers.
Great vid man, Any chance you do the same but for the S95B ? 😅
Why? It doesn't dim.
I use filmmaker mode and bypass hgig and the g3 and c3 will peak out at 4000 mtml with DTM. Its awesome to be able to play hdr games and still be able to keep the color boost and have almost 1200 more nits to go alomg with it.❤❤
No, that's not how that works. That's being spread by someone who doesn't know what they are doing.
this tv is no option for me. on daytime and normal light conditions the blacks look worse. i really not understand why they did that only for a bit more brightness.
@@jarekzahary No, i think u not know what i mean... i mean the trade off for MLA technology
@@jarekzahary Makes no sense... i think your settings are wrong or why u speaking only about SDR? Brainless guy 😘😘Btw this video is only in SDR.
Can they just give us a reference mode already? I don't care if it caps the brightness to 200 nits... I'm just tired of displays changing the source image.
My PS5 still shows 2160@60 htrz
If Lg knows what’s good for them especially after talking all that shit about RTINGs burn in testing then I bet that dimming gets more aggressive in later firmware. Because it’s very alarming that a window size that big took so long to disperse. That’s the type of shit you see on oleds with a few thousand hours, not OOTB
QN 90b mini LED TV Samsung and no ABL OLED problems
Yep until Sony adopts 4 hdmi 2.1 ports I will stick with LG. Long time standing Sony customer but I made the switch.
Let’s Go Sony!
just buy a hdmi multi adapter lol, buying a brand based on amount of hdmi ports which is the issue that is most easily solvable, is always funny, almost cringe.
Simple answer, L.G just wants customers to use the game optimizer to adjust settings
1400 nits on full screen on the g3 no way ?
No, it's around 220 in HDR and just under 300 in SDR
@@ClassyTechCalibrations oh how much of in increase is it over a C9 full screen brightness I might just wait until we can get oled to hit 900 nits full screen brightness maybe in a few years
@@ployth9000 it's a mostly pointless metric. The G3 is the first WRGB OLED that doesn't suffer any ABL dips in most 1000nit graded content. The high APL scenes match the brightest LCDs now.
@@ClassyTechCalibrations s95c 265 nits in filmmaker mode 232 nits in game mode
But the G3 is a bit brighter when compared to the S95C
@@ClassyTechCalibrations I'd have to see the G3 in person then so will do that sometime this year
Xs and Os
After seeing all of this I dont even want to buy the c3 this auto dimming is so stupid