Are Electric PWCs Going to Take Over Your Lake? We Compare E-PWCs and Sea-Doo Models to Find Out
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2 hours use.... for “normal riding”. Let’s be real it probably closer to an hour.
All that work getting to the lake etc for about an hours use and then you ride in watching everyone else spending their whole day riding on a gas powered Pwc that’s cheaper.
When the technology improves it might be cool. But as of now it would be a bad decision.
Dennis consider the first VCRs came out were $1200 the last one I saw we $24.95. It all just takes a little time and also the batteries get better daily.
dbc105 you are right. And when the technology is just as good as gas I’d be glad to go battery and help the environment.
@@mrDmastr19 LOL, that's fine, it won't be long. the one thing that is most ignored but most well proven by History is technology always moves forward and to not go with it only leaves you behind. Look up all the car manufacturers going to all hybrid or full electric over the next few years. They see the obvious and want to be on the front end. Ford just invested a billion into the tech for the F150. See the video it pulls a train. It's coming.
It’s coming alright; it’s just slow. And it’s largely slow because the entire oil industry is run and governed by a slew of corrupt capitalist sleeve bags that lobby the government in their favor so they can save and squeeze out an extra nickel of profit for them selves, their benefit, the benefit of the corrupt elected officials that let them do it; all at the expense of the regular folk and environment. If they shifted how they funded energy production, technology would advance at a faster rate. But until then we’re all basically still dependent on oil to exist while they slowly try and get changes to happen.
Regular folk can only have so much voice for change, we’re basically here for the ride. But slowly hopefully everything falls into place.
@@mrDmastr19 Well said I couldn't agree more, Just imagine how much faster it would happen if DC put as much money into that as they do in oil subsides. One word of advice, don't go buy anything new. Another thing History has proven when tech comes along the old things become worthless. We will have gas cars for a long time to come but people will be paying less and less for them as they find out how going 40 miles for $1.85 instead of $5.00 and also not having to go to get gas, just plug up at night. I know a guy with money, he got a Tesla and loves it. Drives it from N Alabama to Indiana to his parents and only has to stop twice for 30 minutes to get charge. I stop more than that to pee.
so in other words i can either get an electric pwc or for the same price i can get a top of the line sea doo and 150 tanks of gas... thats a hard one
well no because they start at 15k and have zero maintenance costs.
M T but it’s a waste of time. 1 hour on a full charge. 28k is way to much. I could get a full day on the lake for 40 bucks. And I doubt a electric engine and water is gonna have 0 maintenance a new motor would cost a lot. When in a gas motor 9 times out of 10 it’s less than a k to fix anything
@@zynfantry well you missed the part about it costing $15k... so ya
M T still way overpriced for 1 hour
@@zynfantry 2
It’s the way of the future but I don’t think any of us hard core pwc riders are going to switch to electric vehicles just yet.
JetSki Brothers It will be a whiiiiiile before I hand my RXP over for an electric ski 🤣
Funny thing is. A electric pwc has the capabilities to make any gas pwc look like a turtle.
@@nickc2708 nah as of now your trippin. I bet over time they will definitely out power gasoline engines from factory. But lets be real, where are you recharge on the water? Seems like a short ride time. Not only that he said that thing can only TOP out at 65 mph. Im not sure how quick itll get up there but id rather rip a gasoline engine 70-80mph when you take out the governor. As of now gasoline is by far the alpha on the water. Not saying time wont change that though
@@nickc2708 its only as fast as the water going in through the water intake so don't expect to just hammer on the throttle from a dead stop and be doing 80mph. Its just gonna cavitate.
Jason Scott yo! I never said it would be practical. I still stand by my comment though. 👍
Nice reviews but I’d really like to hear them operate without the music or talk... normal ambient sound while the vehicle is moving. Ty
Search for the Taiga Orca video, there you can hear it
The biggest buyers for the electric ones are the people living on the electric motor only Lakes
When states made lakes electric only they never expected boats that could go this fast
mlyniecm
Around here, electric only lake are to prevent contamination of the water by gasoline
Why would i spend 20 grand for 2 hours of riding and then charge it up for 8 to 10 hours
Sheldon Hardiman Because most of us with lakefront property is exactly how we use them. They sit on the lift and when you take them out it’s for about 20 min to and hour. It absolutely sucks to go get gas every day. To just plug it in when you’re done using it would be great.
Really, a no-brainer for sure!
@@fpartidafpartida this is exactly right. Everyone who is bitching about the run time clearly is not a regular user. An Hour or jumping waves tires you out.
@@dontaskme9047 That was my first thoughts also. People that trailer their PWC to a lake each time they use it would not be the target demographic. People who live on a lake or have seasonal homes on water are kinda where this belongs. I had the initial thought of using this on a yacht where it would also sit on a lift most of the time and only get used an hour or so at a time while at anchorages.
@@dontaskme9047 I ride every week but not I a lake saltwater and we stay out for most of the day . So yes regular riders ride alot longer than 1 or 2 hours and I dont have to jump many waver my ski weights 800- 900 lbs sure not jumping many waves in a bs freshwater lake
While I would not buy one now, it would have been great 10 years ago when the lake in my housing community only allowed electric watercraft.
I think many small lakes will ban Electric PWC. They might not pollute the water, but they pose the same risk for collisions and accidents.
I have a Tesla Model 3 Performance and that is the future of vehicles. I also have a Yamaha SVHO and I agree with time electric PWCs will start to take over. 68 MPH needs to be the goal for speed as this is what top performing PWCs are now governed at. The only production performance numbers that current manufactures compete at are 0-30 or 0-60 times, and handling. If they can make a electric PWC that does everything comparable to a gas version (3-4 hours of run time and price) then they will have the market. Also a lot of lakes near downtown cities and parks ban gas motors and only allow electric, I wonder if they would allow these on those lakes, if so sign me up. Also the problem with any new tech is the time frame for the world to adapt, good luck finding any place to charge this on a lake/bay/ocean for years and years to come. I like to ride all day during my weekend trips to the Gulf of Mexico and commonly put 5-6 hours on my ski in a day, even finding gas in some locations can be hard especially since the SVHO uses premium gas so I commonly carry two 5 gallon jugs strapped to the back of my ski on top of the 18.5 it holds.
A lot of lakes are banning combustion engines because old outboard motors would exhaust up to 20% of fuel into the water unburned. New motors are a lot better, but still not clean.
When PWC's first came out I was looking at a lake house and I decided against it since I was sure I would be on the balcony with a rifle due to the noise from dawn to dusk. Newer PWC's are thankfully a lot quieter. I might be willing to buy a second generation electric PWC. I have been on Nikola's mailing list for awhile to see how it goes.
Absolutely a big yes to the technology...
need more manufacturers of electric JetSkiis too
So, unless you live on a lake, trailering the electric wave runner for a 2 hour ride is useless. Everyone wants to spend the day at the lake.
2 hours on a charge (1 hour on a charge)
after 4 years:
30mins of charge
Nikola Tesla Not True
Sture Von Svensson did you just call Nichola Tesla wrong?! 😂
So what happens when you and your crew go out on a pretty long journey and you run out of battery power? I guess someone better bring a couple of extension cords. At least with gas someone can Siphon some out of their PWC’s to get you back home or to the nearest docks. Also your going to be sitting at the dock half the day charging your batteries while everyone else filled theirs up with gas and back on the water in 5-10 minutes.
They aren't the answer to every question. If you find, as most folks do, that 45-90 minute rides are long enough, they this is an option. And you can get 80% of your power back by charging for 2 hours at 240v. That all a lot of folks need. If they want more, then this isn't yet the answer for them.
If I lived on a lake this would be great! It could charge all night and then I could ride for an hour. But for my current situation where I drive to the lake or ocean and spend the whole day there this wouldn't work. I need to be able to refuel quickly on the water. Long distance riding is also out of the question
I work at a power sports dealership. Watch these videos all the time, it's just strange that it's a comparison video, but they are never compared, no water, no real run times, no real charge times, no real test of ride style differences. Just talk talk talk
More expensive, slower, less range, more down time, forget that.
More expensive, slower, less range, more down time, Sounds great. I'm more about people seeing me next to my new thing on the beach than riding it. Can't wait to tell people how much I paid for it!
On the bright side, it can sit unsold for 5 years. LMFAO
Wait for the technology to catch up a bit. The range will go up and the power will too. They will make interchangeable batteries so you have 3 of them fully charged and can cycle and ride forever. Removable batteries will be key along with fast charging and a more powerful motor. 70mph is a good goal.
@@ftnppg1272 imagine having a turbine on the nozzle that will spin as water passes through it, charging a spare battery, imagine in the future those 3 batteries you have, 2 of them will charge your third one, so in essence you would have 4 batteries of use by the end of the day, with 3 fully charged batteries.
@@thermotesticles2453 Why they dont put a spot for spare battery connections in a prius, tesla, and other EVs I dont know. Make them standard battery stationary and make two removable ones in trunk with regenerative charging, fast charge from home with 210volt, and ability to keep stringing batteries in trunk until you get to 1000 mile range. When you got to hotel or whereever you could charge with multiple plugs too to speed up charge. Make like 4 chargers. Would that speed things up?
They are likely coming. The range, price, low power (for the price) along with charging time as you mentioned will keep them in small numbers for now. If SeaDoo or other major brands do bring them to market with improvements in those areas, people may start choosing them over gas.
I'd love an electric ski! Negliable maintenance, quiet ride, smooth power, etc. But right now I regularly go 35-40 miles on a cruise to a favorite island. This ski is only good for about 45 km or about 28 miles. The range is not there yet, maybe with a 30 KW battery it'd be better. Developing lighter batteries would be good.
I actually spit my drink out when he said $28,000 for something that is comparable to a $6,000 ski
Doesn’t look like either of these companies brought anything to market yet. It is now spring 2021.
Nikola Corporation is entering the competition as well with their WAV electric PWC.
can you imagine a bunch of whisper quiet jet ski's flying thru the water at the same time lol...
Just ask Elon to make a Tesla powersports portion to add to his E motor car empire
That would be terrible... Elon operates Tesla like Apple... you can’t have it worked on by outside sources... won’t sell replacement parts... and if you can hack it... he’ll shut down your charging capacity
I don’t like Elon. Douchbag
@@adamwiggins9865 Tesla sells replacement parts.
If I could afford it I probably would. However if you are camping and on the lake, charging from your truck would seem counter productive for being clean. I don’t blame anyone for not wanting one. Some pretty serious downsides to consider. If they made swappable battery packs that slid out the back, it would be a different story. I do have to say though that the thought of hardly ANY maintenance really is huge for someone who just wants to have fun on the water and spend their time doing other things in place of maintenance, also the thought of riding on the water with nothing but the rushing water and wind would be an ENTIRELY new experience for people. You’d have to give them crazy colors though to make them visible, otherwise other boats and craft probably wouldn’t notice as much.
I luv the concept but as a north Queenslander I believe the noise of the engine acts as a deterrent to sharks and crocs, so could be a bit bitey 😎
23KWh battery. Max power 180HP (=135KW).
The battery will last 10 minutes at full power, 1 hour at 30HP, or 2 hours at 15HP.
Flipping pathetic stats
Yeah exactly 🙄
Quick blast to the other side of the lake...oh crap no DC charger at the marina, grab the paddle 😅
@@philc3019 you gave yourself a perfect name
I have been trying to talk the company into demoing this at body beach... We will see dissenter if your math is right
actually, your math is dead wrong... the lightning motorcycle has a 200 horse engine with a 21.5 kw battery and at full tap it runs out at 30 minutes... NUmber one...no one ride s buoys at full tap for a half-hour at our buoy racetrack at body beach lake Havasu, The most people ride at a time is around 10 laps at a time which is about 12 minutes by the top pros, I would use a solar generator which i use them all the time to recharge my electric buoy boat with phase 3 dc charging in 20 minutes... two charges would be a very busy day for a professional jet ski racer at body beach
It's worth pursuing. Range and charging time are always the ding against EV's of any sort. It would be cool traveling in silence over water like on a sailboat, But fast. People don't realize trains are diesel turbine generators powering electric motors. Electric motors have 100% torque from off to on. Who knows one day everyone could get their own personal Thorium power cell and charge all their stuff. Got to start somewhere.
the PWC falls right between the gas powered leaf blower and a snow mobile for how annoying the sound is...so im ok with a nice quiet electric PWC
Amen to that!
@guy proulx And kill a lot of birds in certain areas
Other than the electricity & water equation, which is more of a concern in salt water. The torque they make is perfect for water, no oil or gas contamination, plus a bit of extra weight on the water won't make as big of a difference with the right hull, could be great as long as you can get about the same run time as a tank of fuel with quick charging
Figured the review would delay before talking about endurance, but you already knew up front when the energy capacity 23 kWH was mentioned. Let's see, take off from the dock, open her up to wide open @ 180 hp, assuming 90% motor efficiency x 746 watts/hp = 149 kW of power. 23 kWH/149 kW = .15 hours, or ~ 9 minutes, now time to tow it back the 10 miles traveled and recharge overnight, if my math is right. 2 hours claimed endurance must have a lot of idling, really just floating around, in their calcs.
Seeing that this is electric, it does not need air. So how hard is it to turn this into a submarine?
Poke a hole into the bottom
This would be great if you live on the lake and have a good storage area.
Only good on small lakes. My favorite party destination is a 20 mile ride from my marina. You'd have to basically pull this thing out every time you want to charge it, which means no storing it in a marina. Plus you either have a really short range or your ski is going to be extremely heavy. I think they are going to have a hard time trying to market this for day riders, especially with the price tag.
You got the numbers wrong. The base Taiga is about $17k, Performance model about $19.5 and Carbon $22k. It also LOTS more convenient. Charge at my dock unless five miles for $6/gallon gas. No engine maintenance, oil changes or winterization
I definitely think EV Watercraft are on the way. The price point of the Orca will be its biggest challenge as the styling is good and the fact that if you opt for the quick charging capability getting 80% charge in 20min I say it's the perfect time for lunch!!
Taiga New price starts at 15,000 usd. and currently taking pre-orders
Just like the early Tesla vehicles....very high end and expensive.....but that paves the way for more affordable toys down the road. (or down the river) I think the transition will be faster than most think. Lower maintenance requirements alone should be very appealing.
24,000 LOL...
Call me when tesla jumps in the game and put fast charge systems at the docks. Seen enough hilarity with docking mishaps. Will be interesting when 480 volts is added to the drinking game.
I could sneak up on some shallow water fish with one of those..!!🐠
Trolling motor on your boat
I would like to hear the electric on running , must be weird just to hear the water jet.
Want weird? Just wait until NASCAR/Indy et al goes all electric and all you hear is wind noise. And let's see how those 20 minute 80% charges work out. 😂 . As a baby step into the electric world, I am surprised NASCAR hasn't gone at least to the rechargeable impact wrenches to get the hoses out of the way. Would be safer.
Will B nascar is so meaningelss anyways😍
I said I would never hold a personal watercraft because it's just too much work for not enough play but an electric watercraft I believe would change that ratio
I play 60 hours per ski on two skis every summer. They sit on EZ Docks so all I do is change the oil each spring and put gas in them :)
What happens to them sensitive batteries when you start jumping
10ft waves 💥
My lake has no gas station on the water, so it would be much more convenient to charge an electric PWC/boat at my private dock than to go to the boat ramp and pull my boat out of the water and drive to a gas station to fill up the boat's gas tank. I have tried filling the PWC gas tank using 5 gallon portables, but that requires lifting 30 pound gas can for several minutes, then repeat two more times. Convenience is why I dream of getting an electric boat and PWC.
And, if I don't have to go to a gas station, then I don't need a boat trailer, which takes up valuable space in my driveway. Waterfront property owners like to have boat docks and don't want to keep their boats on trailers.
Never thought I would be excited about electric vehicles but an electric PWC I would buy
I just bought a focus RS for 29k , founders edition too.
Focus RS's are trash with cheap interiors. You should have gotten a Golf R.
Love the name 'Nikola' and as it's Tesla's first name, that's a smart move!
Electric Personal Water Crafts,...yes I think they're coming and will stay, as you said Stephen, it`s just a matter now of battery life & range to make
them really interesting to the buying public.
Somebody mentioned electricity ( charging stations ) and water,......well that will or should be no more of an issue than EV`s are today on our roads and in wet weather.
Not to mention carrying gasoline containers around in the country side.
You could make floating charging stations. Just a big boat that you could put new battery banks on while the others are charging on land. Switch and repeat.
Battery advancements are coming pretty fast now and that includes lower costs. So I do think we will see these sooner than later and they will be welcome for the noise reduction and zero pollution. I can't wait!
Maybe you didn't realize that the founder was a scam artist and likely going to jail. The name 'Nikola' has forever been tainted.
@@larky368 Not from his history that I've read! He was a diligent worker and like a lot of scientists and people of vision of those times, was at the mercy of other people like Westinghouse etc.
If you say he " was a scam artist" then you ought to read the full story of another inventor, maybe you've heard of John Deere,.. just study where the quote of " nothing runs like a Deer" originated from and who said it.
That rxp is going to burn an entire tank in 45 minutes to 1.5 hrs with any normal person riding it, maybe 2 hrs on a calm day. So if the electric ski could do a realistic 1 hour with real person “normal” riding that would put it on par with most top of the line skis. I have no clue why 0-30 wasn’t brought up, because I would bet they are dead even or the electric ski could beat it. The demensions on this think are not far off the 90s 2 stroke skis, i would assume it would handle more like one of those than the newer high HP barges, which is also a good thing IMO. All in all this sounds like a good ski to me, a good ski that needs to cost 10k less to sell to anyone other than current Tesla owners.
With the weight, the orca is a 1 up... the gti and gtx are 3 ups... so yeah... I'd hope a 1 up would be lighter..
Couple things: I love the idea but I'm guessing what might really do well would be some sort of "hybrid" amphibious electric vehicle (that could go on both land and water). Maybe Tesla?
Also, how about swappable batteries? I know there are several things problematic about that, but if there were some sort of special carrier, etc. it could be an option. Maybe 3 spare batteries with a special automated changer/carrier? Could be good for wealthy people I suppose - might be possible to have a whole day on the lake without having to worry about charging if you had enough spares.
I fully understand how problematic it could be but on a limited run basis, it could be potentially viable.
@mike h if there one single heavy battery, I would agree with you.
Riding my 2020 RXP-X last week cruising the lake in Ecomode and some Full throttle sport mode runs my fuel light came on after five hours on the lake ,the RXT 3 hours?
Oh and strip mining the earth for the metals needed for those batteries sounds like a lovely idea 😂
Also what about charging when you have it parked at marina. Marinas would have to add chargers which would up the price and just make it even more expensive in the long run
It can use any 240v outlet. You get to 80% in 2 hours.
Hey that’s Lake Willoughby! No mistaking that lake👍
Just a matter of time before they become mainstream and open up the market to the type of buyers like myself who want the experience but don't want the engine noise. The electric jetski will be more popular than petrol engines to more people once it hits 3 things, 1) petrol level power 2) petrol level range /duration 3) charge speed down to within a few hours. 4) priced within the premium range of a petrol jetskis.
Current buyers are unlikely to switch as the noise is acceptable for them. Electric jetski brands will have to find their own/ new markets outside of buyers in regulated lakes as the current buyers won't pay the premium for a lesser experience in comparison.
This will be an exercise in marketing and positioning for these brands to fight it out. It wouldn't be unusual for a disruptor to enter the market at this point. Like Tesla is doing in the car market.
I've been wondering when these would hit the market. If you have a house on the water, charging wouldn't be an issue. However that's not my use model and I charging would be an issue. It would be a PITA to have to grab the trailer, pull it off the water and charge it up 2 or 3 times a day. Other options would be an uber long charging cord hooked to the diesel genset of your motorhome. This would improve efficiency as diesel generators just sip fuel. I do worry about that 100 meter cord though. Maybe swappable battery modules like power tools use broken into manageable sizes. There are issues before these are ready for prime time.
They need to come up with a swapable battery pack. So while you are out riding, you can be charging your other batteries. Obviously charge times would need to be shorter, because overnight isn’t going to cut it.
Excellent video, in my opinion the only way possible to make a difference is hybrid or solar charge because two hours is nothing in the water. And the price is way to high. In other words they won’t be sold unless you have a boat with a charging station to go along the way!
i don't think his is for trailer guys just yet. if you lived on the water though, and had power on your dock, it would be really nice.
I think there might be a little bit of a spot for these in the industry for people that live on small private Lakes where there's no gas powered engines allowed and still want to you know do an hour of tubing maybe use it for some fishing skiing and wakeboarding around the lake
I think the development will lead to great future vehicles. No air intake = submarine possibility.
Had me sold until we got to the price. Lol . I love the idea of an electric jetski but for that price you can get 2 gas ones. ... or one gas jet ski and set aside the remaining amount of money for 5 years worth of maintenance.
Why do they appear to have a stick placed somewhere while driving these things at the beginning of the video?
The Nikola Wav isn't shown in motion. I guess it's a little hard to push it down a hill on a lake. lol
Lol! Nicola Wave to be released in early 2020! I can't stop laughing :D
No shock on that weight limit. More weight = more drag = short battery life. A viable electric PWC is a long way off because of battery limitations. There is so much more drag involved with watercraft and drag draws power from the battery's life. I own an electric bike and if I ride flat terrain I could seeming go forever, but climb one small hill (make the battery supply more power) and you can literally see the juice drain out of the battery. A PWC is always fighting drag that is why is takes sports car horsepower to get you to and keep you at 70mph. The power supply to run at that speed for any normal riding period would need to be the size of a Tesla's and that would add tremendous weight which makes more drag. So until they figure out how to make batteries lighter or more powerful, the ePWC is a dream.
It's when you can charge with a super charger :) from your car, but really battery tech needs to double its density first, which is within 10"years I'd say
That's hopeful thinking
Energy density is not such an issue anymore as the engine is way lighter. 50% more battery capacity would result in only 100lbs more battery capacity with recent technology, but upcoming generation of CATLs battery tech is gonna increase by further 40% capacity-to-weight ratio.
Charging is not such a big thing with a Cybertruck (it may give the PWC about 2 or 3 additional recharges) but solar-powered marinas would be theeven better way to go.
What I want to see them do is make the batteries swappable so you can take them out and use them in a motorcycle, quad, snowmobile, riding lawn mower, you name it. They already do it with power tools. Why not take it to the next level with power toys? If you could swap in a fully charged battery pack your repower time could be similar to gasoline.
@mike h it could slide right out onto a rack with wheels. Have you never heard of sonething as simple as wheels. Your Mom must have dropped you on your head and didn't bother to teach you any manners.
Once again the technology isn't there yet. Give it another 10 yrs.
Less than that brother. A couple years
Lmao if Tesla feels like making one they can do it whenever they want
It looks soooo badass I'd definitely get one of these depending on the price. If it was below 14,000 or 13,500 I'd trade in and get one of these for suurreeee. My only concern is the range. I'd usually spend around 4 to 6 hours per ride on my jet ski. 2 hours wont do.
james braselton I’m sorry wtf did you say I can’t read what you said...
Dead on arrival with a price like that
this is the only hater comment I agree with,,, but i got hundreds of freinds who race jet skis who have no problem plucking down 26 grand for a kommander gp1
@@momarski2012 is that eletric
Rudy del pardo you get a lot more for 26g with a kommander than this
they aren't for the working class
The weight is pretty low. Why not bump up the battery capacity and make this usable?
Maybe for the rich with lake homes who drive Tesla's. You can buy basically 2 nice Sea-Doo or waverunner for one orca.
On the bright side you have instant peak torque (like you need that on a jetski). Actually that can be really useful on a little stand up, where you can pull instant on command backflips. Also you probably aren't going to be spending all day on a stand up so I can see like 4 hours run time and 1 hour fast charge.
@mike h nah, LIPO's pack a big punch for their weight.
i'm going to say that if there were charge stations situated around water sites for recharging and a faster charge time of maybe 15 to 20 minutes full charge and a minimum 2 hours ride time yes i can see a great future for electric water craft . i mean i could definitely live the life style of 2 hours riding and half hour coffee /drink time.maybe some kind of on board solar panels would help extend ride time . and i think that as more and more are purchased the price would come down
Sea•doo isn’t a maker. Sea•doo is a line. BRP is the maker
What was the original Tesla roadster’s price point? 125.000 USD if I remember it. 2020 model 3 AWD comes for a third of the price with similar specs and better range.
It had my attention until the price tag!
disney world epcot premiered their new nighttime fireworks show last night and they’ve got the coolest kites being pulled by jet skis. they’re silent and i’ll bet they’re these
I’d definitely get one but it have to be 10k I’ll go ahead and save money and get more power, and drive time with the RXP. And sacrifice reliability. I think these will be the future but they gotta raise power and lower the price to at least 20k I can not see any other pro other then maintenance. But that isn’t enough to sway people in my opinion, especially with that price tag. I’m sure it’s 24k with a charger that takes over 8hrs to charge. That’s lame. Two and a half hours. Probably burn through in half that then your done for the day.
If I’m at the lake and I need to charge it I will use my generator which takes GAS right.lol
solar generators will be able to recharge with phase 3 charging in 20 minutes, If they made a viable buoy riding standup with a 80 lb 21.5 kw battery you could do 15 lap motos on one charge, nobody but nobody rides more then 40 laps in a day at body beach where I ride buoys... Yes its coming for us... For those people who ride around and look at rocks and sheep it might now work out but for us racers, it will work just fine
That's old school thinking. You just need a solar array and a battery storage system like the Tesla Powerwall.
A killer feature that would instantly justify this purchase is V2G technology.
If your sea doo isn't on the water, it's probably in your garage. If the battery could interface with your house and act as a backup this would instantly be a better buy than a Tesla Powerwall,.
Just thing how quick the gas tank gets emptied on the Supercharged Yamis now... They can't make a battery large enough and light enough to appropriately power a PWC.
The biggest limiting factor is price right now. You can buy 6 Sparks for the price of 1 electric. You can get 1 for the whole family. Not to mention they would be more capable. The market for them just doesn't exist right now. Do you think Tesla would have sold many model 3's if they were 6x the price of a small gasoline sedan. Only a small portion top knot hipster Apple users could afford that price
Less gasoline and noise on the water is good.
I can't wait to get rid of my horribly noisy, stinky and expensive-to-maintain gasoline Sea Doos! I'd much, much rather have electric jet ski's and know that the range and charge times will drastically improve in the next several years. I have 2 Nikola electric jet ski's on reserve now which are promising: 3+ hours of run time/per charge.
U bein for real...?
@@Tyronedaman4114 Yep, fer real. My house runs 100% off of my own solar panels and wind turbine and I power my EV, 100% with them. All gasoline engines will soon go away in favor of electric.
Russell Fine Arts thanks! More gas for me, just ordered me a specI pipe for my 2stroke xp800 and a nice and open tdr waterbox. Buckshot head, bored 1mm. E85, 150mm pump, a nice skat trak impeller with r&d intake grate.
@@xtune5731 that's nice, however, some day soon most lakes will ban gasoline combustion engine boats and PWC's leaving you nowhere to ride by far out in the ocean. Many lakes already ban ICE PWC's and more will do so, once electric PWC's become more main-stream. In the meantime, burn away.
Russell Fine Arts id like to see tankers get banned...
Considering the initial Nikola SxS offering will start at EIGHTY GRAND, I think it will be some time before any of these electric vehicles will be in the realm of consumer affordability! Though they are intriguing.
Just thinking - electric seems to be in vogue but do folks realize you need lots of big power stations oil, gas ☢️ nuclear etc to produce the electricity to charge an electric vehicle etc etc etc.
Yes but big power plants (even based on fossil fuel) have a much better efficiency than little Internal Combustion Engines in our vehicles.
Your little ICE waste at least 2/3rd of the fuel in vibration, friction and noise. A giant steam turbine powered by the same fuel is about 90% efficient.
Then you use the electricity in an electric motor that is also over 90% efficient. Much less losses in total.
@@melmaciandissenter2324 Most power generation isn't nearly that efficient, it's more close to 30% to 50%, and there's other loss you don't mention. Just sending the power to your battery and charging it is only around 80% efficiency. By the time everything gets to road or water, real-world efficiency is only around 20%. That's virtually the same as an ICE.
@guy proulx Noise doesn't waste fuel, noise tells you fuel is being wasted. Vibrations and noise (Well, noise is vibration) are unwanted motions from the power production process. Instead of power being directed to drive motion, vibration creates nothing useful. That said, electricity also produces its own forms of waste including vibration.
@guy proulx I thought everyone knew that ICE have between 25% to 40% efficiency ...
www.answers.com/Q/How_efficient_is_the_combustion_engine
Small engines lose heat. Since they are light and not bolted to the ground, a part of the energy is dissipated in vibrations (the entire engine shakes, not just the pistons in the cylinders). The noise you hear when the engine is running is the sound of all moving parts banging and rubbing against each other. That steal energy, thus that energy is not used to make the vehicle go forward.
@guy proulx That's a silly thing to be sarcastic about.
Don't forget to factor fuel weight into the calculations of weight. You mentioned different weights, but did that include fuel, or was that dry?
The Orca is the same weight, "wet" or "dry." Charging a battery does not increase its weight.
Must agree the batteries will get better sooner than you think, if Tesla built one every one would want it just think of a carbon rap 400hp motor with 4680 cels built in to the hull, probably 40 kw pack 100 mph 3/4 he cruse at 60 mph, that would upset rotax
I can’t wrap my head around charging stations on the water.
Most people with small craft fill up at a gas station. This can be charged at home. Saving time and energy. There are millions of boat launches without gas pumps. I agree though, gas is convenient. But then again, so is clean breathable air.
dddire straits I guess so. But from personal experience we would go through several tanks of fuel a day for two PWC’s. That is 2x fill ups on the water. We could have burnt through a few more but my budget couldn’t take it. So there will definitely be the need to charge up multiple times a day. I would say fast charging is a requirement for water sports.
@@smarticus6384 DC is also safer. Tesla was right.
@@thelongdaysofwheeling124 Electricity and battery production is just as dirty as gasoline power and engine production, if not more so.
@@iventonart9474 There are a lot of very educated minds who would disagree with you. That myth has been put to bed long ago. You are just falling into the BS trap of the oil industry.
A good start, but not there yet. Again, the point of the spark is being missed here once again and the point of this video seems kinda moot when looking at the Orca. Electric will eventually take over, but once they can find the power / weight ratio along with R&D Sea doo, Yamaha, Kawasaki and other had for years, they might make a dent. Right now don't expect to see it anytime soon out of the main brands.
I bet it makes a ton more torque than the 300 hp petrol models
That Orca will look bad ass up on my Tesla Truck!
they need to make them foiling skis to smooth out the ride & increase efficiency
I have to charge this Electric while on the water. Electricity and water don’t mix well, careful with that!
Itll be fine as long as they incorporate a gfci unit into the plug
Gfci only protects device side, you’ll still have power on supply side.
Every slip in most marinas has a 30 amp plug to charge batteries and other things. I don't use my shore power because I put solar panels on my boat.
jordan fielding already disproved that myth with the gratis x1
I wonder if you can dive one of these and keep powering through the water until buoyancy brings you up.
I will never go electric. Salt, water and electric are enemies. Just a waste.
Angel De la torre no they not you must have been on a bad electric engine
@@byronfoord501 I dont like an engine that doesnt make loud loud noise and smells like gasoline. So I am biased all the way.
E is barely a two seater craft. Put two on and you probably lose 45 minutes
They must still use a water line to cool the speed controller and batteries, so salt water issues, and winterizing will still be needed for the pump / cooling lines. It will be a lot easier, and it could be easier for current PWC too but the manufacturers purposely seem to design things to fail over winter. Seadoo uses cheap intercoolers that use outside water, super easy to fail, and then water goes directly into the motor.
Either way, its a great concept, and will certainly take off given the operating cost is WAY lower than gas. Unlike a car, riding for 2 hours can cost you a full tank in most cases, a good 60-70$ per session in fuel on a supercharged jet ski. ($600 a summer easily x 10 years ownership = $6000 aside from maintenance, oil changes, etc).
This will also be great for rental companies who I'm sure will be the first to jump on these, 1 hour rentals will cost them almost nothing and just keep them charged all the time.
Very true. Also to cool the carbon seal, or whatever they use for where the driveshaft goes thru the hull. My biggest concern wouldn't be water at the battery, this happens to PWC's all the time, mine included. I would be more concerned that the motor would be fully water proof. That's probably $10k to replace just in itself. Winterizing should be a breeze tho with a little marine antifreeze and a funnel.
Also winterizing a ski isn't really all that difficult. Reason why people have it done at a shop is basically insurance in case they do something wrong. I winterize my own. Biggest fail according to the tech I talked to is when people turn on the water hose BEFORE starting the engine, hydro-locking it. Dumping antifreeze through with it running and fogging till it dies are no brainers. Hard to mess up. Put battery on a tender and you're done.
Winterization is not required down to -40F. No maintenance ever. And a 5 year warranty.
@@jhwjresq lol how do you figure ? Does water not freeze below zero c In your world ? Sure I guess if you want a cracked cooling system. If it has self heated batteries, good luck with rodents, they will love that.
@@joeschneider3072 never said it was hard, I do my own winterizing and repairs on my skis, we have 3 skis and 1 boat, it’s not hard and gas isn’t going anywhere for water toys :)
Ye imagine paying 30k for a jet ski. When you could save up a little more and buy a Tesla for 38k
Yeah 30k for a jet ski thatll only last 2 hours on the water. More like 1 if you're ripping it the way it should be rode
That’s the thing - I guess with CATL batteries as used in the Made in China Model 3, it should be possible to add a way bigger battery (35-45 kWh) at that price level with a gross margin that is still good enough.
Honestly id like to see hydrogen alternatives for watercraft. Kinda just makes sense a watercraft that runs on water.
They need an included solar adapter for emergencies, go too far, etc
1 square meter (or about 1 square yard) gives you about 100Wh if it's really sunny outside.
So you need 23 hours of direct sunshine on your 1M² solar panel to charge the battery to 10%.
Bring an emergency paddle instead ! It's much more convenient and you'll be home way faster ... ^^
Melmacian Dissenter maybe a makeshift sail would get you home faster😂👍