First Ride On Taiga's New Orca Electric Personal Watercraft
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ย. 2024
- COVID-19 kinda messed up our chance to evaluate Taiga's Electric snowmobiles this past spring, but recently the company came by our headquarters with its new Orca Electric PWC and Luke got to take it for a spin. and provides his opinion of where he thinks electric motors will go as it applies to the snowmobiling market.
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Can’t wait to get my F150 lightning and charge my taiga seadoo with it
I have always supported electric powersports products. They are not quite yet there, but they are getting there. Good to see the technology moving forward.
Thanks for commenting!!
Agreed. Need longer range. Then. I'm all in!
I would definitely get one if the price went down and the HP went up. A Sea Doo RXT X with 300 HP starts at $15,900 in the U.S. which is much cheaper and much more powerful then the top end Taiga. However, in time I'm sure electric vehicles will come down in price and up in power.
that's a crazy price to pay
You're comparing purchase price and not total cost of ownership. To be fair, a battery charge is far less expensive than a fill up. And maintenance is basically zero on electric. Personal preference, but I'd rather pay more upfront and have a ski that's ready to go all the time. But I also don't need 300hp. I have a Yamaha with 160 HP and it's more than enough for me.
To be fair, 15,900 is website prices. You're really gonna pay 20k. With the fees and dealer fees and a trailer cost.
You'll never use a 300hp ski to its full potential ever. You may do a few speed runs but that's about it. Unless you're racing all that power on a sit down is worthless.
180hp performance version is 19k usd...insane prices..
I'm an Electrician and would love to see this take off! I would also love to become specialized "installer" of the required charging stations needed @ the docking sights :-) $$$ Great show as usual, this watercraft would complete my trifecta of powersports , currently @ 2 ( snowmobile and ATV) !
That's awesome! I bet the docking station installation would be good business.
I have one on order....do you happen to be in MN? I would hire you in a heartbeat. I still can’t get anyone to my cabin to install a L2 charger for my SUV. I have to stop and L3 charge in between.
@@fpartidafpartida Unfortunately no, I am in Michigan
@@fpartidafpartida Unfortunately no, I am in Michigan
There's no special docking station... I have these watercraft and they run on standard J-1772 chargers.. so a standard 115v outlet or if you really want quick charging you get a 220V/50A... the DCFC stations aren't something you install at anybody's personal docks.. those require a massive amount of support from the power company.. we have one getting installed at our marina and it's taken over a year to get everything worked out.
Great review and I appreciated your honesty on these PWC. In my opinion, it was only a matter of time before PWC became electrified, and for this type of powersports product, it makes good sense on a number of fronts. Taiga has done a great job of really thinking, and rethinking things through to arrive at a product that will become a preferred type of PWC for plenty of end users, rental companies, and others.
Where I live, there are plenty of lakes that don't allow gas-powered boating, and a growing number of popular waterfront tourist areas and campgrounds that don't care for the noise the PWC emit, so they have started banning them. Not good when you just want to head out on the water and have some fun for a while.
Taiga has done it up right with their PWC having comparable performance specs as many others out in the market, but take the experience to another level by eliminating having fresh premium fuel (obviously) on hand and the potential for spillage into a water source when refueling, gone is the annual servicing and/or mechanical repairs as Luke noted, but enhance the experience with an ability to change performance abilities on-the-fly (even remotely) which is also a great safety feature for riders of varied abilities, plus the flexibility to charge it in a variety of fashions is great. As Luke noted, there are plenty other features and abilities that make this new offering "Awesome!"
Hearing just the wind and the waves, and the laughter coming from those I'm towing around when out on the lake sounds great to me. Having an ability to get out on, and enjoy, the lakes that don't permit gas-powered boats eliminates those restrictions and opens up plenty of new places to explorer and enjoy each summer. I won't miss all the annual maintenance either, and 2hrs per session I can certainly live with. No more noise and polluting my local water sources is also a HUGE benefit too.
Taiga, you have certainly perked my interest and heightened my level of commitment to get one of these innovative machines under my butt when the desire to hit the water arrives.
I would be much more inclined to buy an electric PWC than an electric sled. Sled trips for me at least are much longer and in places where electricity isn't always available. This would be great to have with a dock charging station. Just like when you come in from fishing you plug in your trolling motor batteries at the dock. Great idea.
I didn’t know you guys upload in summer, can’t wait for winter!
We're excited too! Thanks for watching!!
Great video. This definately makes sense in a cottagers application. Keep working on the range for the sleds. We need 200 km range on trail sleds per charge. Even 100 hp is lots if you get the range up there.
Thanks for having us and putting the Taiga Orca through its paces! We can't wait to bring your a few snowmobiles this winter ⚡❄️
Thank you!! We're really excited about getting our turn on your sleds!!
Nice product !! Best wishes .
Bad ass. I would love to try one.
It would be a major upgrade if the batteries are removable like some EV scooters are. Therefore you can just swap the batteries and continue on. No need to wait for charging and the empty battery can then be the one charging on the "side lines". If not the upcoming Ford F-150 Full EV will be a great addition to have if your going full EV mode in life when it comes to mode of transportations. If the Ford can charge a home it will definitely charge this EV Jet Ski.
What a great product!
The use cases he described toward the end fit our family’s use to a T.
Awesome!
I hope we can see models that we can flyboard with in the future...
well done taiga team , looking forward to the 300hp version, that backs up as a house battery
Would have been nice to actually hear what it sounded like in the video.
I hope we can use the fast chargers like Tesla
We need to hear it!!!
Great start, would be great to get 100 miles range as a base.....37 miles or whatever it is currently is nice but at 60 mph the fun times will be short.
Been waiting for a review like this one on the orca. Thank you for the great upload! Also what do you guys find more fun/enjoyable, a pwc or snowmobile?? Would like to get into snowmobiling someday
Snowmobiling for sure. Hands down way more fun. Both are great sports though.
We're definitely more about snowmobiling! Like PWCs though...
I would buy this today...or tomorrow...wanting to buy the snowmobile first. Having said that, I can't wait for the introduction of new battery tech that gives us far more range. 2hours, just isn't enough time especially on a sled.
Tech will continue to improve.
Where can I do a Testride?
SOLD💚🤝💚😎💚
I can't wait this watercraft it's going to be great!
A battery swap option would be nice. I’ve seen that with some new electric dirt bikes.
Pleasantly surprised with this one. It looks like a normal pwc, its a nice playful size, the ride time seems decent. Still we have the issue of refueling quickly and conveniently though..
I build two phase solar trailers for electric toys, suck as alta mxr's , electrric jet boards etc
I have a Tesla model 3 Performance. And I have a Seadoo RXPX 300hp. I would definitely buy one of these if they came in 300hp and were priced the same as a Seadoo.
Very cool, however, not having the engine compartment for dry storage kind of sucks.
Charging time ?
Would love to hear how quiet these are, but every video has music playing, so it could be a high pitched whine for all we know. Can’t find a video that just demonstrates the sound.
Awesome presentation but be sure to wear that safety!
Not sure if the electric version of a ski has a constant flowing jet like its combustion engine alternates, but if you fall off and that safety doesnt come out, you can easily get left by your watercraft.
Safety first! However, the Taiga Orca doesn't have the issue that combustion PWC has with a constant flow. Once you release the throttle it stops.
No more exhaust pipes for me. Keep rockin, dudes . . .
I would buy one for sure
But only 2 hours of run time? Seems low to me
@@Two_Smoke_Racing really ? 2 hours seems legit . Idk .. everyone is different . I go snowmobiling alot longer than jet skiing but everyone is different . I usually only go for 20 minutes as opposed to 3 hours on a dirt bike or sled.
@@quincee3376 I don't have a cottage so if I'm jet sking its a all day affair lol. 5 hours is not a stretch. But I snowmobile way longer lol
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I think offering a kit, to put in older water craft is a good idea, to get the ball rolling. Heck, you can pick up, working used watercraft, $1000, $1500, USA, pretty easy, rebuilt engine are under that price aswell.
so, be better offering kits. And build on that.
Definitely for the guys with a house on the lake. Wouldn't work for me riding in the bay/oceab
You're right it's not for everyone but great for most!
Let's see a drag race with the Kawasaki 310X
Yes pls...
So cool, have ev car, ev lawn mower, love how easy ev is, no oil no gas and instant push, love it.
wouldn't it be possible to add a solar surface that could recharge the battery? That would be cool if possible and very convenient.
Sweet
As soon as marinas offer charging I’ll buy one. 👍🏻
They never would
@@shawnred5546 Every boat will be electric eventually
@@shawnred5546 Every marina has better power service than your home. Yachts use a range of 480v, 100 amp single phase, three phase etc.
Nice! This would be great for where I live.
Awesome, what are you in?
Taiga Motors Sweden. A lot of environment complaints for the gas skis here now and they will probably be banned or at least regulated.
@@PerWiklund234 We are the perfect solution and we already have many pre-orders from there!
Taiga Motors Great!
Don’t forget, Lithium batteries have some charging issues and storage of the battery,especially with temperature. I own some bikes and its not just plug and play.
is this one of those evs that you have to charge all night and ride for 45 min??
Fix the power to price ratio. I’d love to buy one, but for that money I can get 300+ HP Yamaha. I own a Tesla so I’m bought into the concept of electric.
Awesome video ⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡
Thanks 🔥
how about an iron for that shirt?
Who the hell cares?
Nice ski but I’ll stick with my Seadoo since I use it minimum 8 hours on the days I use it on my Ontario lakes and price is too high compared to Seadoo.
This looks awesome
They should develop a model focused on range, rather than performance, for 5-6 hours out fishing.
SeaDoo has tremendous success with their FishPro, Taiga should target that segment
maybe they can put a backup battery in the hydrofoil position 🤩 haha I agree, i love ocean fishing with my spark though. cant range like the fishpro but still, 6 hours with extra gas can > 2 hrs elec, theyre coming for us though! probably in 5 yrs will go elec
No winterization. That’s a huge plus for me.
Most cottages in Canada are back woods and off grid so then what haul Gas to power the generator to charge the battery 2 steps versus one with gas and a longer travel ability , I'm thinking practical for the in the city type cottage versus the off grid it's definitely not ready for as exploring is a all day thing not just an hour or 2.
I was pretty interested until I heard the 2 hour time limit you have.
Ya that's kinda cool but you keep saying that there is no maintenance, what do you think a new battery will cost when is dies and they all do, it will cost almost as much as a new machine just like electric cars so the cost of ownership per hour of usage is far more expensive than a gas unit will ever be, and that is the ugly reality that no one wants to discuss about their electric vehicle. And do you think that electric motors last forever.....???
Exactly. TANSTAAFL. There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
Does this product resist water sports ? Is it water skiing/wakeboarding tested ? Thank u
Good idea but design is shocking.
The steering omg what were you thinking?
What do you guys think is the direct competitor for this(in terms of spec and price)
Great review! So when does Aquatrax TV premiere?
LOL might have to work on that title but I like where you're going
Watertrax?
supertrax magazine's should start another magazine and youtube channel that focuses on PWC's
I found it interesting how when he mentioned with the European market, he said “perceived “environmental impact
aha i made a name Taiga 4 years ago and its literally the name of one of my dream vehicles whattttt
Who makes the electric motor?
The founder of taiga should try an electric iron for that shirt
Ha, he’s an engineer. It’s how we dress. 😎
Cool.
I converted my 1998 Kawasaki 750 sxi pro to electric. I only get 22 minute ride with high power out of it but its so insanely fun. I need better batteries.
Battery volume in kwh? For 120kw engine running on half tortlte we need 60kwh for one hour. 60kwh weight aprx 300kg. It's far to much for jetski. It means electric jetski time still not arrived.
what this video is missing is an onboard shot with audio and without voice over.
Also "with one moving part" is not really correct.
The electric jet ski and snowmobile would just not work for me were I ride I have no access to electricity I know I could luge around maby a generator but it's so much easier just to buy a gas driven. If I rode were there was electricity available with out having to rent docks etc I would definitely buy one.
Thanks for sharing your comments!
Small generator maybe? I'm curious as well
@@snowtrax I need to chat I have a question.privately
I don't think it's fair to compare the maintenance of an electric motor vs a gas engine. Electric motors might be simpler, yes, but a tank of gas is also simpler then a battery pack.
how are these not covered with small battery solar pulse chargers?
Yeah but how much are batteries when they need to be replaced and can the garage mechanic do this. Those batteries are expensive and I would be willing to bet that it would have to be installed by the dealer so that it could be programmed. That’s two down sides right there. A gas powered one can last forever if taken care of and if not, anyone with some mechanical skills can replace a top end, saving the user several thousands of dollars. If you want to go electric, it has to be cheaper or people will not buy it. Why would I buy electric for use on the lake with a 2 hour ride time, when the gas will double that and it takes 10 minutes to fill up and back at it. I think people use these more then just for a few hours a day, the people that I know anyway.
Okay, you're assuming the batteries will die before the warranty runs out. Don't think that would be the case. How much is a full engine replacement on a gas-powered PWC? I bet nobody wants to do either...
SnowTrax TV most of the time though you don’t have to do full engine replacement. You will however have to buy a full new battery. I am just saying that is a down side. I see people with 20 year old jet ski’s on the lake. You will have several battery replacements on these things in 20 years. Plus just like anything with batteries, do we really believe they will last longer then things that use the same batteries. Yes I know they are larger but they still have a short life. That life is also shortened when left uncharged, in the example you gave of when done just leave them and come back after winter and charge them. Those batteries will not last like that. Another down side is where is the charging station and who is going to pay for that. That is just things that are a down side. Faster and easier to load gas a bring it in my opinion. I also keep all my engines up myself and do proper winterizing and I don’t have problems. I am not saying they don’t have their uses and pros but until they get the price lower then gas, there is no incentive for people to buy them. It is great that they are trying to make head way but all you have to do is look at the market for electric cars.
$50k USD is slightly more that gas counterparts you say?
Seems very anti right-to-repair considering the diagnosistics are sent to a dealer which then can order the part.
Can the end-user get access to the same diagnostics and order OEM parts?
Can you use this pwc in winter/cold weather?
can someone make a decent electric snowblower already though. even the 'best' ones are not where near as powerful at getting through heavy snow as the gas snowblowers.
What lake is that?
I saw one that was a ski and waverunner if this the same?
Initial cost is more but factor the lack of money spent on maintenance and the longer life span and suddenly its a lot cheaper.
Let’s jump on a high voltage battery 🔋 and jump into the water 💦 ⚡⚡ . LoL 😂 ⚡
Disappointed that the safety lanyard is not worn by the rider..
Any idea if we could get these things in Asia?
Looks like that dude from unbox therapy.
Can I just buy the hull only?
no oil or gas worries, just batteries and electronics worries and will it go from point A to Z without die-ing a low voltage death.
but you can always swim the last 100 miles....
I wouldnt trust this company. I ordered an Orca on the 1st day they allowed pre-orders.. I then messaged them to ask if they have any plans to come to Ontario to show the PWC and let people see it in person and they ignored my message. I saw that they recived and read my question... sad to say but i cancelled my order. How can I trust them to trouble shoot any future issues if they cant even respond to a simple question about where will they be displaying the ski
That's unfortunate that you had a bad experience, but because they didn't answer your email the entire company must be corrupt? Your reaction seems a bit heavy handed in my opinion.
@@snowtrax Well for starters I never said they were corrupt. I said Trust. Like I don't trust them to handle customer service issues if they can't even handle some simple questions now. They are a start up, and like every start up they are going to have problems.
I still want to own an Orca, but i'm going to have to sit out until their first year of having product in the wild. Once i know the machines are well made and their customer service is actually decent.. then i'll buy one.
That is much clearer than your original comment. There's a significant difference between lapsing in a reply to a comment and not handling warranty issues. Can't imagine what's being said when I'm slow at responding to comments on here...
@@snowtrax Well when I mentioned my pre-order and pasted my order number, you would think they might actually respond.. even if to say "we'll get back to you on that" - I ran a business for 7 years. Its not easy.. But customer service needs to be a priority.
@@StarkVandalez Again, I understand where you're coming from and appreciate your frustration. I still feel your reaction felt more like an overreaction. Did you make any further attempts to reach out by phone or another email or do a Google search to see if your question was available online? I've worked in customer service for awesome companies and the reality is some guys suck at it. Doesn't mean the company is shady or the product sucks. Not trying to start an argument here, just saying you're basing your assertion of untrustworthiness of an entire company on the customer service skills of one guy who failed to reply to your email. In my opinion, that wouldn't be enough to make me cancel my order.
Why cant they put those 90amps alternator funnel the water to spin the alternator and alternatively charge those highpowered battery??? One not enuff put two of them.. Yayy or nayy engineer.. just my 50cent
Perfect for a rental fleet. Use the batteries in the snowmobile in the winter. Repeat.
So if you grew up in palm beach it would of been the jet ski first
Nice E-spark hybrid
Lots of charging stations out in the bush where I ride snowmobile. NOT!
Two biggest factors for an EV is the price and range / run time.
This will be perfect with a Cybertruck
Awsome!!!!
How about a hybrid one !
I think Tesla has plans for it .
I’d like to see a electric jet powered bass boat. With a water turbine charger that way you never need charging
I WANT ONE!
“More affordable” yet they are $17,500.... no thanks I’ll take a seadoo for that price. So stupid
What does it sound like
Nature.
I mean I have 155 miles of range on my yamaha jet ski, this would never work for Florida and other similar regions with oceans to jet ski on
"cheap to maintain"
Well it better be after getting punched out by the heavyweight pricetag. And that goes for cars, motorcycles, snowmobiles, PWC's, or anything else with a stack of expensive batteries onboard.