Nice review but so little information on range per kwh, etc. At the beginning the CEO mentions a gas equivalent would only get 1 or 2 miles per gallon but I didn't hear what this boat gets. Then at 16:20 Andre says it used "15%" for something like "two hours of pulls and boating". Come on guys! From the beginning I was waiting to hear officially from the CEO what the kwh useage was, or later from Andre. It kinda seems like it's so bad they don't want us to know ???
"500hp motor " would consume 373,000 watts at full power in one hour. The battery capacity was stated as 226,000 watts. But obviously, you won't be at full power all the time. So it definitely has its usage case for some people who makes sense. Annnnd this is all assuming I am mathing correctly. And approximately 34,000 watts in two hours assuming a full charge.
Nice review Andre, people in the comments bring the same old non sense, and have listened and not heard what was said in the video, most marinas with luxury boats are wired with high power capacity, this boat is not aimed at the average consumer, it's a top end wake boat and is price competitive in that segment of the market , saltwater will do nothing to this boat ,in fact with a closed loop cooling set up, no issues there and it has a bilge pump like any other boat , i run a 24 foot houseboat on pontoons on a small lake with an electric trolling motor and 2 100 amp hour Li-ion batteries of the automotive design and on the lake for 6 hours and have no problems and i don't have to smell gas or oil , they recharge easily and in 4 hours again no problems 👍
What's needed is more marine electrification options. It's got a long history where the big boats use electric motor pods and huge generators (similar to trains). GM has a division on bringing Ultium to marine applications so we should see more of that. I've spent lots of time with outboards when I was younger, an electric boat would be so much more pleasant.
WAY out of my price range but I am excited to start seeing this. A smaller 5-7 person multi purpose boat like a deck boat would be great or even an electric pontoon boat with a solar roof would be awesome for putting around the lake peacefully.
I agree with Andre, just like the cars they should send this boat to you for a full review in the real world. Yes, that is a lake but it is still under controlled conditions, most probably where it was developed.
Being in the marine/boating industry, Yamaha master tech, this was a very intriguing video. I’ve been waiting for larger boats to incorporate electric powertrains. The barrier has always been battery tech and range. Looks like technology is finally getting there.
I have always wondered why larger ships don't use battery hybrid systems like you see making trains so efficient. Is there particular reasons they don't or do they and its just not reported much? Usually only hear of large ships burning really inefficient marine diesel
@@TheScottishKayaker That is how many large ships do it. Newer ships even have several propulsion pods with the motor in them that can swivel 360 degrees and move the ship in any direction.
@@TheScottishKayaker trains get their efficiency from steel wheels on steel rails, they use diesel electric setup because mechanical transmissions don't last long in that application.
Cool boat, I like how quiet it is. I wish you would have asked for it's range. I presume given the fact you did not tells me it is quite poor. Most marinas provide up to 50Amps @ 120V power. For a 50A circuit, continuous charging is at 80% of maximum, which is 40Amps. In one hour you get 40A x 120V = 4.8KWh of charge. That means a 230 KWh pack will charge for 230KWh / 4.8KWh/h = 48 hours, or two full days. Charging the battery does not happen "overnight", but two days instead.
Great review, Andrey. While I am still not an EV fan, at least not EV's for all applications, I can see where a boat of this size being electric makes a lot of sense. No gas vapors, a lot less maintenance, much cleaner on the water, instant torque, quieter operation, very nice! Maybe as they proliferate in the market prices will come down.
Another excellent piece from TFL and TOTALLY unexpected...! Great job, Andre, hope our paths cross sometime (here in Colorado) and being a boater, your evaluation/delivery and conversation with CEO was top-notch and spot-on! Thank you.
Trolling without exhaust fumes. Awesome….just came back from Copenhagen, there was small rental boats with huge electric trolling motors all over the canals there
I can't believe how ridiculous the comments are from people who clearly aren't very experienced with these type of wakeboarding/surfing boats. 15 percent battery life for a couple of hours of boating is great. So is the price when compared to similar new boats. I have been boating all my life. Usually it's just an afternoon for 2-3 hours tops (more than that gets to be pretty exhausting both for the boaters and the driver). In my opinion this boat seems better than the gasoline competition in almost every way....especially the new price.
@@Deltathegoldenretriever i get it i mean we were tournament riders or whatever so it’s not really normal but i still think lots of people spend all day out on their boat whether they or riding or just kickin in. electric boats are getting there but just like cars man they can’t replace ices.
@@allegorx58 it's pretty normal for most people to spend only a couple hours boating at a time. I lived right next to the boat docks and went there nearly every day. Except for special events most people don't spend much time boating at any one time. I've probably been boating on a wakeboarding boat 300 or so times with many different families and groups besides my own. Only once did I ever stay on a boat for more than 3 hours....and that was for an all day party where 30+ people wanted to take a turn.
Amazing video, thank Andre! And what's nice about electric boats, other than the low (or no) maintenance and fuel savings, is that there is no need to plan for winter. So no radiator or someting that keeps you hot while it's cold out. This is exclusively made for warm weather, which simplifies a lot the design. Also, I'm really surprised to see that they didn't add solar panels on top of the cover. That would make it self charging, at least partially, seeing that most people drive their boats only on weekends, leaving it in the dock during the rest of time. Unlike a car, the sitting time is really much longer than the driving time.
I didn't know what to expect going into the video, but ended up interested. I don't have the income to be interested as a buyer, but seeing the execution. It appears to be done well. I think the bad news is that an electric boat doesn't yet have a place in the affordable range. That particular consumer demands longevity. Batteries get worse over time and eventually need to be replaced. I know a lot of people that live on the lake and some have had the same boat and power train for 20 years.
You're pretty much wrong there. These electric boats over the course of their entire lives are going to easily compete with traditional gasoline engine style boats. Just watch.
Like it's said, it's about like the same of having around 29 us gallons of gasoline. The efficency of the electric motor is pretty high vs the ice engine. That's why it's about like having that amout of gaz with a v8.
For people who think this is comparatively expensive check out what these types of boats costs from manufacturers like Nautique. Their top model is $435,200.
The issue is that it’s not comparable whatsoever 😅 Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s a good idea, but they missed the mark entirely in terms of target audience. Tesla Model 3s insanely popular because of how cheap they are compared to other EVs or even performance cars. This point is at the upper 85% price point of wake boats, but doesn’t have half the features and creature comforts as those boats. My Mastercraft X26, and it’s competitor the Nautique Paragon 25 both have 150+ more horsepower, at least double the amount of speakers, RGB lights all around the interior, exterior, and underneath the boats, heated seats, in boat heaters, mini refrigerators, life jacket heaters, rear facing lounge seats, and 2-3 more feet worth of boat length. And maybe they had their wave setting on a smaller level (which I don’t know who you would if you’re trying to show the boat of, but that wake surf wave was smaller than an entry level Mastercraft or Nautique that cost $100k. Higher priced Tesla’s have the credibility and selling point of being able to beat high performance sports cars in 0-60 and drag races. This boat doesn’t out luxury, or out wake surf capability its price bracket competition, so I’m not sure what the selling point really is other than if you like EVs over gas and engines. Should’ve either gone the low price model 3 path, or insane performance to justify price path as the model S Plaid
How much does it weigh? Boats need to be pulled around and having this thing being twice the weight of a comparable gas boat could be an issue. Also, needs a range test. I’m not so much into spending $250k on a fake wave machine but I do like to go ocean fishing and range is important.
That is a big battery! 😮 What would be cool is allowing for the boat battery to be used as a home battery in the off season. I could swear, boats didn't run $200k+ years ago. Something weird going on, I remember when they were $30-50k for a ski boat.
Supply and demand my guy. Plus, ski boats didn't have 600hp supercharged V8's they had simple carbureted small blocks, and no electronics and ballast and all that jazz
You can ski behind a Jon boat with a strong outboard motor. If you want a chrome V8, a concert level sound system and touch screens, I guess you gotta scrape together another 1/4 million dollars.
Great review. I’m gonna be lugging down 70 gallons of gas to the boathouse later today. I love this idea. The wakesurf wake looks smaller and shorter than the competing. 200k boats. What was the wakeboard pull speed? The lip looked washed out and wasn’t sure if just going to slow or hull/ballast issue. Were the ballasts full for surfing?
Andre, surprised you didn't mention that Electric+High Altitude=No Power Loss. I'm even older than you and on our summer Ski Camping trips to Blue Mesa it definitely was harder to get pulled up on a Slalom Ski. Good video
It would be nice to know the storage profile. Also noticed the electric whine was pretty loud even if the engine was quiet. . I hope they can reduce that a little bit. Side note It seems like you could have a boat that was maybe half that battery size size for a non-wakeboard boat. I would look forward to that and the non-foundational price.
Awesome review. My family and I are big time boaters, but that really means once or twice a week in the summer. This would be perfect for that, and even 110V charging would keep it topped up I'm sure. Amazing tech.
How long to charge? How long will it run with ballast? What about pulling a tube? Screens don’t look covered enough to prevent glare or reflection. How was the sound system?
Seems like boats make the most sense for electric. There's usually electric at a marina dock if you leave your boat there, reliability out on the water, zero fuels into the water, quietness on the water, no fumes trailing you, etc.
Solar panels? Sure for charging your phone... but even with nothing else draining the battery, you would be lucky to get a couple miles from a full day of charging off solar. And an electric boat is much worse than an electric car...
@@fastfedit takes actual investment to make a good product. Sure there are bad products out there that are electric, but there are no huge hurdles to overcome really with the technology that exist already if you want a day on the lake. Sure if they want to install crap batteries and motors that are undersized then it will not be good. Make a good product that is fairly priced and it’s achievable.
@@kristopherbuchanan974 show me that product. Some of the best ev motorcycles has all this "tech" and "good product" yet you still get pitiful mileage and take too long to charge. Oh and no one is buying them.
@@Crusader1984 Who asked you? LOL. In all seriousness, for what I do for work, and the amount of travels per week, I'll take any option that saves me gas, and EV cars are the way to go for me. As for the boats, I've ridden and driven boats all my life. I don't mind change.
As someone with a Tige that has 4 kids and wakeboard, water ski, and tube all day on the weekends all summer long, this boat can’t replace what we currently use. I can run through a tank or two on a full summer day. The kids and their friends spend all day on the boat. That electric boat would run out of juice quick, and then will need to charge a long time. Until an electric boat can replace a current wake boat in every way, it’s dead on arrival.
Very similar in size to the G23 but that wake looked terrible. To charge up over night from flat is going to need a serious connection not a typical connection that keeps a house boat topped up. Id be interested to know how battery run time compares to a full tank on a G23 doing mix of surf and wakeboarding boarding with full ballast. Cant find run time anywhere.
Nice video, do wonder if the roof could do with some solar, could probably manage a few kW of solar up there. Assuming a low utilization rate, that might actually be enough.
This is actually really cool. I can see a lot of practical uses especially the less maintenance for regular boat users that likely have them sitting for a long time.
That's like asking the range of a gas boat. You can get 1.5mpg in a 60' trawler, and you can also get 1mpg in a 24' surf boat. You can also cruise along and get 10mpg.
my buddies and I make frequent trips to a nearby lake for 1-2hrs of boating. we have done the math and an electric truck + boat combo would save a LOT of money for us. we love the idea.
Could you make it there an back with an electric truck? I've looked into it and for me I could only make it one way towing my boat with an R1T or a Lightning, would have to find someplace to stop and kill a couple hours to recharge. Towing this you get even worse range because I am sure this weights more than my current boat.
Would have liked to see more on operating hours per charge as well as ballast system and forming waves. Why stretch for this when a Heyday or even a Yamaha is half price. And at this price might as well get something from Nautique.
Exactly. It's as if they didn't want to tell us the official kwh usage, just vagarities. I mean if it could get 6 hours of normal usage out of ~150kwh of cheap Florida electricity that would save a ton and would be great to know.
Aaaaaaahm I am telling Roman, Andre broke the no shorts on camera rule. Shame shame on you Andre. lol lol 😂😅😂😂😂😂 All serious it was a great video guys! I know I would enjoy a TFL Floats Chanel if can ever get Roman to go for it. Enjoyed the video guys, looked like a really nice boat.
500hp = 372kw 226kwh At WoT: 36 min At 50%: 1:12 min A 24ft ballasted wakeboard boat uses at least 200hp (150kw) to keed doing at a descent speed... At 150kw it will run empty at 1:30h ... Unfortunately not close to enough for most people... And it is VERY unlikely that we will have high speed chargers at marinas any time soon
with how little people use their boats I don't think battery longevity is really a concern. I'm sure you can charge to 100 you just don't want to leave it there for more than a few hours same as a car.
@@TFLEV This boat is a big heavy expensive ewaste turd. My 1960s starcraft runabout all aluminum wont get stuck on sandbars like this thing would. I can just drive right up on sandbar or beach push it right off. Plus much more range with couple tanks. I got rid of a thunderbird cathedral hull 18 ft fiberglass boat which is still better than this electric boat for the very same kinda reasons. Runabouts/aluminum boats are the best take them anywhere lakes,rivers, bays and oceans.
Great video! More summer boating and boat test videos please! I live at both really high altitude (ski lakes at 6,000 to 7,000 ft - shorter local ski season) and in really cold weather in the winter. Electric boats are going to be great for my use case in the future. I'll probably be waiting for modular conversion kits or something that can go into existing hulls or mass produced lower cost run-abouts. I'll never be able to justify that much for a sport boat that I can only use 3 months of the year.
Most recreational lakes are not going to have the power available to charge this at the Marina. I would also like to no what happens when the bilge gets a good amount of water in it?
Gas wakeboard boats have ballast (placed strategically throughout the boat) and wake shaping devices like plates to form the perfect wave for skiing, surfing, and wakeboarding. I didn’t hear any explanation on how this boat shapes the wave and the wave didn’t really look that good. Also, gas wakeboard boats are almost all closed cooled today. The heat exchanger cools the antifreeze but the lake water never touches the engine. How does this boat cool the antifreeze if they’re using it to cool the propulsion system and drive? Finally, how much does it weigh?
Man that's nice. I love the screen SW coming from a Tesla. I've always wanted a boat and probably if I could afford it that would be a contender for a purchase for sure. The ease of use and low maintenance would be the selling point especially since we're already a ev household.
I would not want that to get near salt water for long, or to go out far. Corrosion is a nightmare with one lead acid battery. Can’t call for a few gallons of fuel when a few miles out. We run about 6-8 hours a day without re-fueling. Nice novelty, but not at all practical, not to mention dangerous like any EV.
With the experience I've seen people beginners problem having with the "Foundation" series of most startup company, I'd wait a few years for the bugs to be cleaned out and the price going dooooown But I love the idea, just a major problem is that accidents are bound to happen due to it being so quiet, perhaps im wrong about that.
Just like in the EV sector, very few start-ups will make it. Then you're stuck with a bespoke boat and no support. Hopefully an entrepreneur will realize that building off the shelf electric drivetrains that these start-ups can just stick in their boat is the better play. One company to provide service and spare parts.
@@papasquat355 Many boats on the water are old. Mine is 20 years old and still looks and works great. Just like with cars, a big issue with these will be that when the batteries die in 10 years of so it will be ridiculously expensive to replace them, if they even can be replaced, which is not a sure thing. That is going to more than offset any fuel and maintenance savings for most people.
No one yet knows how expensive battery replacement will be. The technology and processes for doing so is moving forward everyday. And battery recycling will be available in another couple of years. So costs are coming down as we write this.
How do you think it would fair if it were suddenly to take on a lot of water? Like an inlet water surge or wave, like driving through Haulover or Boca?
high voltage can be better for higher rpms which would be great for a jet drive like propulsion; why they didn't do that? it would lower the draft for beaching, be more maneuverable with better reverse maneuvering, and with some actuators be able to set the bow pitch under power depending on the drag load from pulling tubes, ski, wakeboards, hydroslides, etc
Seems like the appropriate use for BEV. But how long does it take to charge? How long does it last? Do you get one full use a day? Omitting that info leaves the impression that the numbers are not really that great. "in the morning you're ready to go..."
Totally psyched for boating season now! Looks like a cool rig. If I was in the market would definitely consider. Definitely a hassle and massive expense having to fuel the beast.
My question is how does a battery and power train like this deal with long term storage? Most boats like this are in storage about 7 or 8 months out of the year in my area. How well will that battery last sitting that long? It’s quiet which is cool. I went from a rather noisy I/o to a much quieter outboard and I like it much better. Cost is crazy, but all new boats are crazy expensive.
I missed the part about charge time vs time on the water an range. Anybody catch That? Im not a big fan of the electric movement but these guys did a great job. Love the idea af a low to no maintenace system
It’s definitely cost competitive with traditional powered similar boats these days, and is a very nice vessel. That being said, the cost of boats had gotten outrageous across the board. If I was in the market for a bow rider ski boat, and these guys were in full production, I would give it a hard look. A quarter million for any bow rider is something that is hard to justify unless you are wealthy or have a pro skier/ wakeboarder in the family… Also, I could see marinas having something to say about the electrical charge - maybe a premium or an independent meter for the slip. Nice to see innovation and evolution though.
In my youth I did a lot of slalom skiing. At 6’5” and 275 lbs. (and it was muscle back then) the only boat that would get me up on a competition ski was my brother’s Barefoot Nautique with a 454 ci truck motor. Most other boats I could nearly stop dead in the water. I would have loved to have tried this thing with its instant torque and 500 hp. I think I’d have drank a lot less of the lake.
So a couple questions whats the replacement cost of the battery what is the charge time from 30 amp shore power connection where do u find a level 3 charger on the water 480 volt seems like u gonna have to trailer your boat to charge a deecent Rate of charge seems like you smoking the good stuff
Nice video. EV technology is great! I've enjoyed having a high power 75hp stealth electric outboard on my 17' bow rider runabout. Excellent choice for the type of lake boating we enjoy. We can go over 20 miles on one charge. The top speed is 27 MPH and the last time out, we pulled the raft just for fun. Go Electric! See video at: mark's gas to electric boat conversion.
Great video! I need a lot more information about usable time and or range. Even if it’s just a percentage drop at a given speed/conditions over time would be good enough. It just seems like a commercial without it.
I would really like to know what they have done to prepare the boat to sink? if the boat sinks how will the motor, power electronics, and battery system handle being underwater? in a normal boat if it sinks you have to replace pretty much everything, I would assume that it having a battery and electric motor would be very pricey to replace so am curious if that's something they have thought about?
They fixed so much of what I hate about wake bored boating, The fumes, the noise and the rainbow oil slick that inevitably follows behind you. And the pricing is in line with a lot of top of the line wakeboard boats.
We paid around 80k for our 2011 Mastercraft. It is not a bare bones boat. Upgraded stereo, power lifting tower, heater, etc... it is shocking how prices have tripled - quadrupled in such a short span of time... whether a regular gas boat or what we see here... 😮
@@Tallnerdyguy When else would I compare to? That's when I last bought a boat. Before that was 2001, for 55k. Then my dad before that in 87 for 35k. Increases of around 45-55%. Now the increase is at a minimum of 200% and going to 3 and 400% for a similar span of time. All we have is the past to compare with and its completely reasonable to do. Pay scale hasn't increased at such rates. It doesn't look pretty.
you forgot to ask if you can control the wake with balis like that ahuge thing in wake boats that if you can take on water and dymanicaly control the wake you through
So what you do is that you use the boat battery as a range extender for the EV towing it. When you store the boat at home you can use that battery pack for you home.
High current, high voltage electricity in water environments don’t end well. Salt corrosion can occur from air surrounding. Hopefully 11:26 boat designer has taken this into account.
Nice review but so little information on range per kwh, etc. At the beginning the CEO mentions a gas equivalent would only get 1 or 2 miles per gallon but I didn't hear what this boat gets. Then at 16:20 Andre says it used "15%" for something like "two hours of pulls and boating". Come on guys! From the beginning I was waiting to hear officially from the CEO what the kwh useage was, or later from Andre. It kinda seems like it's so bad they don't want us to know ???
Exactly
It uses a ton and the battery cost a fortune.
Exactly what?
This is a radical change in the sport boat market. It’s price competitive and capable. If you don’t like it fine, but stop tearing it down.
"500hp motor " would consume 373,000 watts at full power in one hour. The battery capacity was stated as 226,000 watts. But obviously, you won't be at full power all the time. So it definitely has its usage case for some people who makes sense. Annnnd this is all assuming I am mathing correctly.
And approximately 34,000 watts in two hours assuming a full charge.
Nice review Andre, people in the comments bring the same old non sense, and have listened and not heard what was said in the video, most marinas with luxury boats are wired with high power capacity, this boat is not aimed at the average consumer, it's a top end wake boat and is price competitive in that segment of the market , saltwater will do nothing to this boat ,in fact with a closed loop cooling set up, no issues there and it has a bilge pump like any other boat , i run a 24 foot houseboat on pontoons on a small lake with an electric trolling motor and 2 100 amp hour Li-ion batteries of the automotive design and on the lake for 6 hours and have no problems and i don't have to smell gas or oil , they recharge easily and in 4 hours again no problems 👍
What's needed is more marine electrification options. It's got a long history where the big boats use electric motor pods and huge generators (similar to trains). GM has a division on bringing Ultium to marine applications so we should see more of that.
I've spent lots of time with outboards when I was younger, an electric boat would be so much more pleasant.
Have you considered adding solar ?
I like what you're doing. Pretty awesome
@@stevey_z the surface area on the top of that boat is not big enough to yield meaningful extension in range with solar panels.
Cool segment. I hope for more in the future so pricing will come down
TFLBoat is on its way and Andrey gets his wish 😂
Woohoo!
WAY out of my price range but I am excited to start seeing this. A smaller 5-7 person multi purpose boat like a deck boat would be great or even an electric pontoon boat with a solar roof would be awesome for putting around the lake peacefully.
I agree with Andre, just like the cars they should send this boat to you for a full review in the real world. Yes, that is a lake but it is still under controlled conditions, most probably where it was developed.
Being in the marine/boating industry, Yamaha master tech, this was a very intriguing video. I’ve been waiting for larger boats to incorporate electric powertrains. The barrier has always been battery tech and range. Looks like technology is finally getting there.
I have always wondered why larger ships don't use battery hybrid systems like you see making trains so efficient. Is there particular reasons they don't or do they and its just not reported much? Usually only hear of large ships burning really inefficient marine diesel
@@TheScottishKayaker I may be wrong but I think in most large ships the engines aren’t directly driving the propulsion, they are electric drives
@@TheScottishKayaker That is how many large ships do it. Newer ships even have several propulsion pods with the motor in them that can swivel 360 degrees and move the ship in any direction.
@@corywilson3549 most container and oil tankers use direct drive, cruise ships are diesel electric.
@@TheScottishKayaker trains get their efficiency from steel wheels on steel rails, they use diesel electric setup because mechanical transmissions don't last long in that application.
Cool boat, I like how quiet it is. I wish you would have asked for it's range. I presume given the fact you did not tells me it is quite poor. Most marinas provide up to 50Amps @ 120V power. For a 50A circuit, continuous charging is at 80% of maximum, which is 40Amps. In one hour you get 40A x 120V = 4.8KWh of charge. That means a 230 KWh pack will charge for 230KWh / 4.8KWh/h = 48 hours, or two full days. Charging the battery does not happen "overnight", but two days instead.
Great review, Andrey. While I am still not an EV fan, at least not EV's for all applications, I can see where a boat of this size being electric makes a lot of sense. No gas vapors, a lot less maintenance, much cleaner on the water, instant torque, quieter operation, very nice! Maybe as they proliferate in the market prices will come down.
Really great complete redesign of a boat taking advantage of the efficiency and reliability of electric. Best of success ARC.
you must use a wonky definition of efficiency.
Outkast ATLiens on the touch screen. Good jam.
Another excellent piece from TFL and TOTALLY unexpected...! Great job, Andre, hope our paths cross sometime (here in Colorado) and being a boater, your evaluation/delivery and conversation with CEO was top-notch and spot-on! Thank you.
Thank you for watching and your kind words.
Trolling without exhaust fumes. Awesome….just came back from Copenhagen, there was small rental boats with huge electric trolling motors all over the canals there
I can't believe how ridiculous the comments are from people who clearly aren't very experienced with these type of wakeboarding/surfing boats. 15 percent battery life for a couple of hours of boating is great. So is the price when compared to similar new boats. I have been boating all my life. Usually it's just an afternoon for 2-3 hours tops (more than that gets to be pretty exhausting both for the boaters and the driver). In my opinion this boat seems better than the gasoline competition in almost every way....especially the new price.
he said they did a few pulls. this wasnt a couple hours of boating
Idk man I grew up wakeboarding and we would run our boats from sun up to sun down a lot of days…if not most of them.
@allegorx58 that's not the norm!
@@Deltathegoldenretriever i get it i mean we were tournament riders or whatever so it’s not really normal but i still think lots of people spend all day out on their boat whether they or riding or just kickin in. electric boats are getting there but just like cars man they can’t replace ices.
@@allegorx58 it's pretty normal for most people to spend only a couple hours boating at a time. I lived right next to the boat docks and went there nearly every day. Except for special events most people don't spend much time boating at any one time. I've probably been boating on a wakeboarding boat 300 or so times with many different families and groups besides my own. Only once did I ever stay on a boat for more than 3 hours....and that was for an all day party where 30+ people wanted to take a turn.
Thank you Andre good job on the wake board
Any time!
I knew Andre had a boat but didn't know he could wake board .. Great job Andre 🤙🤙. If i had the money i would buy
Amazing video, thank Andre!
And what's nice about electric boats, other than the low (or no) maintenance and fuel savings, is that there is no need to plan for winter. So no radiator or someting that keeps you hot while it's cold out. This is exclusively made for warm weather, which simplifies a lot the design.
Also, I'm really surprised to see that they didn't add solar panels on top of the cover. That would make it self charging, at least partially, seeing that most people drive their boats only on weekends, leaving it in the dock during the rest of time. Unlike a car, the sitting time is really much longer than the driving time.
With outboard engines there is no need to plan for winter either
Thank you for watching.
I didn't know what to expect going into the video, but ended up interested. I don't have the income to be interested as a buyer, but seeing the execution. It appears to be done well.
I think the bad news is that an electric boat doesn't yet have a place in the affordable range. That particular consumer demands longevity. Batteries get worse over time and eventually need to be replaced. I know a lot of people that live on the lake and some have had the same boat and power train for 20 years.
You're pretty much wrong there. These electric boats over the course of their entire lives are going to easily compete with traditional gasoline engine style boats. Just watch.
This is something that added battery weight would be an advantage. I hope real world usage hours match petrol powered boats
110 liter tank of gas equivalent.
It won’t
Like it's said, it's about like the same of having around 29 us gallons of gasoline.
The efficency of the electric motor is pretty high vs the ice engine. That's why it's about like having that amout of gaz with a v8.
For people who think this is comparatively expensive check out what these types of boats costs from manufacturers like Nautique. Their top model is $435,200.
The issue is that it’s not comparable whatsoever 😅 Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s a good idea, but they missed the mark entirely in terms of target audience. Tesla Model 3s insanely popular because of how cheap they are compared to other EVs or even performance cars. This point is at the upper 85% price point of wake boats, but doesn’t have half the features and creature comforts as those boats. My Mastercraft X26, and it’s competitor the Nautique Paragon 25 both have 150+ more horsepower, at least double the amount of speakers, RGB lights all around the interior, exterior, and underneath the boats, heated seats, in boat heaters, mini refrigerators, life jacket heaters, rear facing lounge seats, and 2-3 more feet worth of boat length. And maybe they had their wave setting on a smaller level (which I don’t know who you would if you’re trying to show the boat of, but that wake surf wave was smaller than an entry level Mastercraft or Nautique that cost $100k. Higher priced Tesla’s have the credibility and selling point of being able to beat high performance sports cars in 0-60 and drag races. This boat doesn’t out luxury, or out wake surf capability its price bracket competition, so I’m not sure what the selling point really is other than if you like EVs over gas and engines. Should’ve either gone the low price model 3 path, or insane performance to justify price path as the model S Plaid
@@connorjohnson3291 Keep your party barge off my lakes, please.
Yamaha wakeboats start at like 80k
How much does it weigh? Boats need to be pulled around and having this thing being twice the weight of a comparable gas boat could be an issue. Also, needs a range test. I’m not so much into spending $250k on a fake wave machine but I do like to go ocean fishing and range is important.
@@lewiswatchorn7239 I wonder how much it weighs as well. I don’t think anyone has mentioned it but with a 225 kW battery it’s going to be very heavy.
This had to be one of the funnest videos you guys have made in a long time.
Great job.
Glad you enjoyed it!
That is a big battery! 😮 What would be cool is allowing for the boat battery to be used as a home battery in the off season. I could swear, boats didn't run $200k+ years ago. Something weird going on, I remember when they were $30-50k for a ski boat.
When I was young - very big into wakeboarding - the best of the best wake boats were $50-60k new.
Bidenflation is what happened. The US did uncontrolled spending screwing the world….
Supply and demand my guy. Plus, ski boats didn't have 600hp supercharged V8's they had simple carbureted small blocks, and no electronics and ballast and all that jazz
When banks started writing mortgages for boats and people are dumb enough to pay them, the boat prices rocketed.
You can ski behind a Jon boat with a strong outboard motor. If you want a chrome V8, a concert level sound system and touch screens, I guess you gotta scrape together another 1/4 million dollars.
Will they make small fishing boats to compete with LUND boats.
Great review. I’m gonna be lugging down 70 gallons of gas to the boathouse later today. I love this idea. The wakesurf wake looks smaller and shorter than the competing. 200k boats. What was the wakeboard pull speed? The lip looked washed out and wasn’t sure if just going to slow or hull/ballast issue. Were the ballasts full for surfing?
Andre, surprised you didn't mention that Electric+High Altitude=No Power Loss. I'm even older than you and on our summer Ski Camping trips to Blue Mesa it definitely was harder to get pulled up on a Slalom Ski. Good video
It would be nice to know the storage profile. Also noticed the electric whine was pretty loud even if the engine was quiet. . I hope they can reduce that a little bit. Side note It seems like you could have a boat that was maybe half that battery size size for a non-wakeboard boat. I would look forward to that and the non-foundational price.
Awesome review. My family and I are big time boaters, but that really means once or twice a week in the summer. This would be perfect for that, and even 110V charging would keep it topped up I'm sure. Amazing tech.
Go buy one. It’s only $258,000.
Seems like this would be an excellent use case for solar charging.
"how much is this, this is ridiculously expensive right?" - yeah!
260 k it states on google
a yamaha jet boat thats some what the same 25 foot is 116k for prospective
How long to charge? How long will it run with ballast? What about pulling a tube? Screens don’t look covered enough to prevent glare or reflection. How was the sound system?
Very cool review. I’m skeptical of electric boats (mainly endurance) but it is always fun to watch a boat review.
Seems like boats make the most sense for electric. There's usually electric at a marina dock if you leave your boat there, reliability out on the water, zero fuels into the water, quietness on the water, no fumes trailing you, etc.
Electric sport vehicles are literally the worst. Jet skis,boats, snowmobile,ATV. They are all terrible. Wtf you talking about
Plus solar panels are going to be more effective in the ocean where there is nothing blocking the sun but the possibility of clouds
Solar panels?
Sure for charging your phone... but even with nothing else draining the battery, you would be lucky to get a couple miles from a full day of charging off solar.
And an electric boat is much worse than an electric car...
@@fastfedit takes actual investment to make a good product. Sure there are bad products out there that are electric, but there are no huge hurdles to overcome really with the technology that exist already if you want a day on the lake. Sure if they want to install crap batteries and motors that are undersized then it will not be good. Make a good product that is fairly priced and it’s achievable.
@@kristopherbuchanan974 show me that product. Some of the best ev motorcycles has all this "tech" and "good product" yet you still get pitiful mileage and take too long to charge. Oh and no one is buying them.
I LOVE THIS!!! TFL not being ONLY about EV autos but also aqua!!!!! This is so AWESOME!!! More please!!!!! And way to go Andre!!
screw EVs
@@Crusader1984 Who asked you? LOL. In all seriousness, for what I do for work, and the amount of travels per week, I'll take any option that saves me gas, and EV cars are the way to go for me. As for the boats, I've ridden and driven boats all my life. I don't mind change.
As someone with a Tige that has 4 kids and wakeboard, water ski, and tube all day on the weekends all summer long, this boat can’t replace what we currently use. I can run through a tank or two on a full summer day. The kids and their friends spend all day on the boat. That electric boat would run out of juice quick, and then will need to charge a long time. Until an electric boat can replace a current wake boat in every way, it’s dead on arrival.
You're full of shit! Just wait and watch. Although I do understand that this boat may not work for you because it does not carry 13 cases of beer.
that’s why you buy two.
I love boats, especially wakeboard boats and fishing boats, you should do a jet ski and an outboard one as well!
Very similar in size to the G23 but that wake looked terrible. To charge up over night from flat is going to need a serious connection not a typical connection that keeps a house boat topped up. Id be interested to know how battery run time compares to a full tank on a G23 doing mix of surf and wakeboarding boarding with full ballast. Cant find run time anywhere.
Nice video, do wonder if the roof could do with some solar, could probably manage a few kW of solar up there. Assuming a low utilization rate, that might actually be enough.
You'd be lucky to get 800w up there, that wouldn't even be noticable.
This is actually really cool. I can see a lot of practical uses especially the less maintenance for regular boat users that likely have them sitting for a long time.
Are these great for fishing? If not they plan to come out with fishing models?
What's the expected use time before needing to recharge? Even a number for just cruising at 20 would give some reference.
Thank you, Andre, for a great video. Didn’t know you’re a boater and surfer!
No worries!
That’s cool, would love to see an electric fishing boat. How far can you go on a charge? That battery size should go a long way.
Soo.. what’s the range???
5 surf sessions.
That's like asking the range of a gas boat. You can get 1.5mpg in a 60' trawler, and you can also get 1mpg in a 24' surf boat. You can also cruise along and get 10mpg.
@@kstorm889 hahaha. no boat is getting 10mpg
@@enigma9789 there are so many boats that will get 10mpg at under 5 knots.
@@kstorm889 So no wake speed? Thats not cruising speed. Hell thats slower than surf speed. You are out of your mind.
my buddies and I make frequent trips to a nearby lake for 1-2hrs of boating. we have done the math and an electric truck + boat combo would save a LOT of money for us. we love the idea.
Could you make it there an back with an electric truck? I've looked into it and for me I could only make it one way towing my boat with an R1T or a Lightning, would have to find someplace to stop and kill a couple hours to recharge. Towing this you get even worse range because I am sure this weights more than my current boat.
@@rdlangston13 we are lucky to live relatively close, about 40 miles away. so yes we'd make it.
@@bob15479 We use our R1T to tow our EV wake boats everyday
Would have liked to see more on operating hours per charge as well as ballast system and forming waves. Why stretch for this when a Heyday or even a Yamaha is half price. And at this price might as well get something from Nautique.
Exactly. It's as if they didn't want to tell us the official kwh usage, just vagarities. I mean if it could get 6 hours of normal usage out of ~150kwh of cheap Florida electricity that would save a ton and would be great to know.
Aaaaaaahm I am telling Roman, Andre broke the no shorts on camera rule. Shame shame on you Andre. lol lol 😂😅😂😂😂😂
All serious it was a great video guys!
I know I would enjoy a TFL Floats Chanel if can ever get Roman to go for it.
Enjoyed the video guys, looked like a really nice boat.
500hp = 372kw
226kwh
At WoT: 36 min
At 50%: 1:12 min
A 24ft ballasted wakeboard boat uses at least 200hp (150kw) to keed doing at a descent speed...
At 150kw it will run empty at 1:30h ... Unfortunately not close to enough for most people... And it is VERY unlikely that we will have high speed chargers at marinas any time soon
And that's assuming 100% efficiency with zero loss at the controller and motor... 😂😂😂
What a great video! This is by far the coolest EV creation so far.
does it degrade the battery if you charge fully to 100%? what's the discharge rate from it just sitting idle during the winter?
with how little people use their boats I don't think battery longevity is really a concern. I'm sure you can charge to 100 you just don't want to leave it there for more than a few hours same as a car.
@@bob15479 the two questions remain unanswered.
Great story Andre. Looks like a fantastic boat.
Many thanks!
@@TFLEV This boat is a big heavy expensive ewaste turd. My 1960s starcraft runabout all aluminum wont get stuck on sandbars like this thing would. I can just drive right up on sandbar or beach push it right off. Plus much more range with couple tanks. I got rid of a thunderbird cathedral hull 18 ft fiberglass boat which is still better than this electric boat for the very same kinda reasons. Runabouts/aluminum boats are the best take them anywhere lakes,rivers, bays and oceans.
But not for wake sports.
@@corywilson3549 u can do it any boat.
Hoping it has a tow hook and how easy is it to get an electric plug in at a harbor?
Just about every marina has electricity at every slip.
@@TJDST4 yeah I forgot about shore power
Nobody watches the video.😂
not to be a downer but at 200kwh doesn't a level 2 charger struggle to do that overnight?
Great video! More summer boating and boat test videos please! I live at both really high altitude (ski lakes at 6,000 to 7,000 ft - shorter local ski season) and in really cold weather in the winter. Electric boats are going to be great for my use case in the future. I'll probably be waiting for modular conversion kits or something that can go into existing hulls or mass produced lower cost run-abouts. I'll never be able to justify that much for a sport boat that I can only use 3 months of the year.
Just get a Seadoo.
Most recreational lakes are not going to have the power available to charge this at the Marina. I would also like to no what happens when the bilge gets a good amount of water in it?
Gas wakeboard boats have ballast (placed strategically throughout the boat) and wake shaping devices like plates to form the perfect wave for skiing, surfing, and wakeboarding. I didn’t hear any explanation on how this boat shapes the wave and the wave didn’t really look that good. Also, gas wakeboard boats are almost all closed cooled today. The heat exchanger cools the antifreeze but the lake water never touches the engine. How does this boat cool the antifreeze if they’re using it to cool the propulsion system and drive? Finally, how much does it weigh?
Why doesn't the massive hard top have solar panels
Because math... nobody cares about waiting an entire month to get 5% charge.
Solar on electric cars = gimmicky crap for sales people to point at
What is the range. Also what is the weight with boat motor & trailer
Man that's nice. I love the screen SW coming from a Tesla. I've always wanted a boat and probably if I could afford it that would be a contender for a purchase for sure. The ease of use and low maintenance would be the selling point especially since we're already a ev household.
That's a lot of money. However, I like that the price includes all the bells and whistles.
I would not want that to get near salt water for long, or to go out far. Corrosion is a nightmare with one lead acid battery. Can’t call for a few gallons of fuel when a few miles out. We run about 6-8 hours a day without re-fueling. Nice novelty, but not at all practical, not to mention dangerous like any EV.
Maybe I missed it, but did you talk about range in this video?
They say 4-6 hours of water sports.
With the experience I've seen people beginners problem having with the "Foundation" series of most startup company, I'd wait a few years for the bugs to be cleaned out and the price going dooooown
But I love the idea, just a major problem is that accidents are bound to happen due to it being so quiet, perhaps im wrong about that.
Just like in the EV sector, very few start-ups will make it. Then you're stuck with a bespoke boat and no support. Hopefully an entrepreneur will realize that building off the shelf electric drivetrains that these start-ups can just stick in their boat is the better play. One company to provide service and spare parts.
@@papasquat355 Many boats on the water are old. Mine is 20 years old and still looks and works great. Just like with cars, a big issue with these will be that when the batteries die in 10 years of so it will be ridiculously expensive to replace them, if they even can be replaced, which is not a sure thing. That is going to more than offset any fuel and maintenance savings for most people.
No one yet knows how expensive battery replacement will be. The technology and processes for doing so is moving forward everyday. And battery recycling will be available in another couple of years. So costs are coming down as we write this.
How do you think it would fair if it were suddenly to take on a lot of water? Like an inlet water surge or wave, like driving through Haulover or Boca?
Did I miss the range? How many hours or what size battery?
4-6 hours of range per charge. Battery is 226 kWh
high voltage can be better for higher rpms which would be great for a jet drive like propulsion; why they didn't do that? it would lower the draft for beaching, be more maneuverable with better reverse maneuvering, and with some actuators be able to set the bow pitch under power depending on the drag load from pulling tubes, ski, wakeboards, hydroslides, etc
Seems like the appropriate use for BEV. But how long does it take to charge? How long does it last? Do you get one full use a day? Omitting that info leaves the impression that the numbers are not really that great. "in the morning you're ready to go..."
Very cool ! can’t wait to see the next couple models 😆Thanks for Sharing 👋🏻
Wish them the best I still remember the testing of the white and black one at Piru a couple years ago.
Is the steering wheel too small?
Totally psyched for boating season now! Looks like a cool rig. If I was in the market would definitely consider. Definitely a hassle and massive expense having to fuel the beast.
Very cool boat. I’m not in the premium boat price range but I like this setup.
Love it, but the question remains… if it starts sinking, do I choose electrocution or getting eaten by sharks?
My question is how does a battery and power train like this deal with long term storage? Most boats like this are in storage about 7 or 8 months out of the year in my area. How well will that battery last sitting that long? It’s quiet which is cool. I went from a rather noisy I/o to a much quieter outboard and I like it much better. Cost is crazy, but all new boats are crazy expensive.
Range? or time towing?
How long does it last per charge tho
Wow I love this boat! Very good review! keep up the good work!
I can't save this vid to my 'watch later' playlist? (I watch all the good vids on my big TV not device)
I missed the part about charge time vs time on the water an range. Anybody catch That? Im not a big fan of the electric movement but these guys did a great job. Love the idea af a low to no maintenace system
It’s definitely cost competitive with traditional powered similar boats these days, and is a very nice vessel. That being said, the cost of boats had gotten outrageous across the board. If I was in the market for a bow rider ski boat, and these guys were in full production, I would give it a hard look. A quarter million for any bow rider is something that is hard to justify unless you are wealthy or have a pro skier/ wakeboarder in the family…
Also, I could see marinas having something to say about the electrical charge - maybe a premium or an independent meter for the slip.
Nice to see innovation and evolution though.
In my youth I did a lot of slalom skiing. At 6’5” and 275 lbs. (and it was muscle back then) the only boat that would get me up on a competition ski was my brother’s Barefoot Nautique with a 454 ci truck motor. Most other boats I could nearly stop dead in the water. I would have loved to have tried this thing with its instant torque and 500 hp. I think I’d have drank a lot less of the lake.
I wonder what battery chemistry is. Do you leave it at 100% for the winter? Does it need to be plugged in while in long term storage?
Probably quite quite similar to an electric car, all very easy.
This is very nice! They should try to add a solar roof to it. 👍
Very cool! I love one of these when I lived near the water.
That looks awesome. Can't wait to see a Seadoo Switch size/style pontoon that's all electric. I'd jump on that for $75k or so.
Great review Andre! I think TFL should have a boat channel. TFLboat.. what do you think? I mean you'd get to go to the big Miami boat show every year!
So a couple questions whats the replacement cost of the battery what is the charge time from 30 amp shore power connection where do u find a level 3 charger on the water 480 volt seems like u gonna have to trailer your boat to charge a deecent Rate of charge seems like you smoking the good stuff
I can see this being a popular option for super yacht owners who want a wake boat that they can use to have a bit of fun.
Nice video. EV technology is great! I've enjoyed having a high power 75hp stealth electric outboard on my 17' bow rider runabout. Excellent choice for the type of lake boating we enjoy. We can go over 20 miles on one charge. The top speed is 27 MPH and the last time out, we pulled the raft just for fun. Go Electric! See video at: mark's gas to electric boat conversion.
What’s the range and the weight? You forgot to mention
Doesn't the helm's seat adjust back? It looked like Andrey was crushed uncomfortably into the helm seat...
I know Andre is busy, but would love to see more watersports reviews.
Love this like I do premium electric Catamarans…. From a distance because I am not wealthy enough to afford one.
Great video! I need a lot more information about usable time and or range. Even if it’s just a percentage drop at a given speed/conditions over time would be good enough. It just seems like a commercial without it.
I would really like to know what they have done to prepare the boat to sink? if the boat sinks how will the motor, power electronics, and battery system handle being underwater? in a normal boat if it sinks you have to replace pretty much everything, I would assume that it having a battery and electric motor would be very pricey to replace so am curious if that's something they have thought about?
Battery packs are sealed. It takes an impact accident to expose them to anything.
What was the total weight of boat and trailer?
They fixed so much of what I hate about wake bored boating, The fumes, the noise and the rainbow oil slick that inevitably follows behind you. And the pricing is in line with a lot of top of the line wakeboard boats.
We paid around 80k for our 2011 Mastercraft. It is not a bare bones boat. Upgraded stereo, power lifting tower, heater, etc... it is shocking how prices have tripled - quadrupled in such a short span of time... whether a regular gas boat or what we see here... 😮
What? You think inflation has been at a standstill all these years
13 years ago comparing prices to today?
@@Tallnerdyguy When else would I compare to? That's when I last bought a boat. Before that was 2001, for 55k. Then my dad before that in 87 for 35k. Increases of around 45-55%. Now the increase is at a minimum of 200% and going to 3 and 400% for a similar span of time. All we have is the past to compare with and its completely reasonable to do. Pay scale hasn't increased at such rates. It doesn't look pretty.
you forgot to ask if you can control the wake with balis like that ahuge thing in wake boats that if you can take on water and dymanicaly control the wake you through
So what you do is that you use the boat battery as a range extender for the EV towing it. When you store the boat at home you can use that battery pack for you home.
Why no solar pannels on the roof?
Does it have regenerative waking???
😭😭
High current, high voltage electricity in water environments don’t end well. Salt corrosion can occur from air surrounding. Hopefully 11:26 boat designer has taken this into account.