Given that the triumph 400 won't see British shores till December, and that by then I'm sure enfield will have launched the new Himalayan 450 liquid cooled, so that will be a direct competition for the triumph 400 scrambler I'd say
Over here in Taiwan both CB350 are saleing like hot cake, flying off dealer lot, mostly because of the low price, and they do look pretty cool And our unique right of way here limmilt all motorcycle to local road so the 20 something horse power is more than enough for local roads and urban riding But if you are in UK where bike are allow on highway, I think you may find the 350s a tiny bit under power when riding highway speeds
@@kbarnbrook4993even though the power may not be necessarily, a lot of people here still buy bigger bike, because bikes are just straight up cool after all, even liter bike are quite common. i just ordered a CL500 myself(it is call CL Street here because Benz already registered the name CL500, at least that is what the Honda sells rep told me)
Not just for youngsters , I’m 71 and bigger bikes are to heavy nowadays + the triumph speed saddle is only 790 which is great as my hips are going and I’ve shrunk 1 inch in height in the last 3 years ( it will happen to you youngsters as well 🤪😊👍) going to book a test ride asp ( red one of course) 😊👍
Not just for older & shorter riders.I'm 48 & had a crash & stuffed my back & ankles & light bikes are for me now.I got a Trident 🔱 for it's low weight & push it around no problems my old Interceptor would of been abit to heavy for me.These new Triumph 400(T400) are great lightweight have enough power for motorways look great.I looked at the Tiger 🐅 660 206kg but it was the upswoopped seat I struggled to swing my leg over with my bad back,hip & Trident 🔱 189kg & I could swing leg over seat.
A friend of mine bought a RE for his first bike. Didn’t make it a year before he traded in for a Street Scrambler. I think these new Triumphs are going to kill it in this market.
The new 400 seems on par with the KTM 390, but with decent modern classic looks. The 400X I'm most excited about as a weekday commuter, with actual ability for weekends off road. I'd love an XE variant with some even longer stroke suspension, higher ground clearance, and spoked wheels (please Triumph!)... even so the standard 400X should hit the sweet spot for many. The new RE 450 Himalayan could be stiff competition for it though, especially if it maintains RE's typically aggressive pricing.
You can see its a modern take on the 250 Trophy/Trail Blazer & BSA B25 Gold Star SS 250 from the early 1970s. I can see the 400 being a successful venture im sure.
This is Triumph realising the place to be is India when you look at Royal Enfield incredible success. You will have be . Quick to get one (Triumph) they really have nailed it! India will overtake Japan in sales with in a few years because of home sales and PRICE!!! Great because we Benefit!!
......lovely to see triumph's trademark timing and primary drive cases adorning their new lightweight singles, continuing the original 1930's speed twin pedigree, on a lumpy little single, perhaps we will see a 400cc liquid cooled triumph trailblazer option to top the off road variants at some later point? Great uploads chap!
Ill definitely be test riding the speed 400 in spring of 2024 when they hit the states to see if I like it more than the hunter 350 I test rode recently. If the speed 400 is priced more than 2 grand more than hunter 350, I’ll probably pass unless it really “wows” me.
Thanks for the GREAT review!!! I'd like to see a comparison between the Kawasaki z400 and the new Triumph Speed 400. The Triumph is beautiful and new, but the Kawasaki is lighter and has a little more power.
If triumph can keep the price around 6 grand or less than they'll be a huge hit. The bikes you forgot to mention are the Fantic scramblers. I've ridden the rally and loved it except that exhaust that makes it feel like you're riding a fat pony. Seeing the Triumph scrambler 400x makes me think I'll hold off a bit longer.
I bet they will be priced very close to the KTM 390s, putting them in a different market to the Hunter, but within temptation distance of Scram and Himalayan shoppers. If Triumph are too greedy with their pricing, they risk losing buyers to the RE 650 twins.
Cheer's from Brasil!! Some of the models are not available here, wich is such a shame for us. Anyway, loved the pair up of options!! Good job! Hehe I'm looking forward to see the Scrambler 400x, but I hope it comes cheaper then Duke's.. hehe
I own the Himalayan and the KTM 390 Adv. I checked out all the other bikes on this video, except the Triumphs obviously. The Himi will go everywhere and is a joy to own, but the KTM is lighter, faster, nimbler and thus, more fun. The BMW is out. Enter the new Triumphs. Oh jeez, they look good. If/when they come to the U.S. I may need to go shopping again! thx, S
I like both the Bajaj offerings, if not a bit of a confusing mix of modern and retro. Would probably go for an RE. Anything not Chinese landfill is a good start.
Every motorcycle Motobob's compared the Triumph with seems to know what they're doing. Triumph, to me, seems like it is trying to be a bit of everything. That is usually an instant recipe for disaster. But I hope Bajaj knows what it is trying to do. Maybe it is trying to create a new segment. Who knows! For me, the look of the new Triumphs is a turn-off.
@@martinhughes9769 By the time these Triumph's enter UK with their steep pricing, there will be alternatives like HD X440 and the anticipated RE Himalayan 450.
I saw that CFMoto is soon releasing a naked version of their 450SS. Modern styled but would be equal to the new Triumph's in weight and likely undercut them in price. More claimed power than the Triumph's or any of the mentioned rivals + 270° P-twin layout should also produce the best exhaust note!
Great review Motobob. I think the scram looks wise is up there and for the price. The trident seems a similar sizing and also comparable to the Benelli offerings in sizing for smaller bikes like the Benelli Leoncino 500 scrambler and 800 scrambler that are also lovely bikes. The only discernible factor for me buying these bikes is the dealership network in the United Kingdom and the people willing to work on them which puts the likes of triumph at the top but the prices are also fairly high in comparison to the models I mentioned. I forgot to mention another Italian bike the Cabalerro fabric scrambler 125 and 500 which are beautiful looking machines and FM moto And motoguzzi bigger 650 scramblers. I am not a fan of the 400 Harley rear end scambler fendering 😆
i think enfield will enjoy the cult following factor, especially in big markets like India where people know their history, and you will definitely see meteor 350 and classic 350 on the top of the sales chart, even when baby harley and these triumphs are on the way. honda and jawa has already tried to challenge enfield in small size retro neo segment, but they have failed. and most important that how enfield gives a perfect soul to the bike, their bikes delievers the exact feel that a classic rider need. I am actually exited so see how the harley 440 is made. If they are successful to give the same experience as enfied and of course price then i think it could steal some sales from royal enfield's sales chart
Am I the only one who hates the way KTMs look? I greatly prefer the retro, or at least single headlight look. The over-under headlights of the Suzuki GSX-8S also looks great.
I bought a Scram as a training bike. I'm doing DAS training with students on MT07s. I have no problem keeping pace with these bikes out on the dual carriageway. You just hold onto the gears a bit longer. Off road it's agile, stable and easy to ride - it's certainly well beyond my level of competence. Where Enfield cuts the costs is in the peripherals, so you just have to accept that you will be upgrading things like chains, brake pads and so on. The tyres are just fine, despite being budget, so I'll wear them out before changing them. On the Triumphs, I agree with Stuart Fillingham here - the Enfields are not really the competition as they are very different machines with different characteristics and price range. Overall, I suspect that the Triumphs despite being pitched at the Asian market will do better in places like Europe.
I have the KTM and you need to be close to 6 feet tall to feel comfortable on it. If you are tall do yourself a favour and buy the Duke. They are awesome
First, there's nothing "retro" about a mono shock rear end, should have been styled as a single Bonnie, twin shocks and a lower seat height. Worse yet, this bike {in the States} is going to $7000 out the door - laughable for a "starter 400cc bike". RE's are getting $1000 tacked onto list price here, they're effectively six grand.
If the Triumphs are more premium priced, like the rest of their range, the RE interceptor becomes a very tempting offer too and with loads more torque, I will be patient and wait but I'm leaning towards paying a little more and getting the Interceptor for cruising longer distances and climbing mountain passes.
For new riders or for second bike... WHY DO YOU DO THIS!? Been riding for 15 years, want a smallish commuter, the scram could do the job. So either I am a beginner or I am too poor to have 2 bikes¿
The best bang for buck and tech is the Svartpillen 401. PERIOD. You keep forgetting the Svartpillin/Vitpilliin 401 has the same adjustable forks as the 390 ADV but it's price is around or below the Duke 390 in certain markets! (you are getting KTM 390 ADV for price below a Duke 390!) It's also even got quickshifter/autoblipper as stock which is not even a aftermarket option in on the Duke 390 any other market other than India, Spoke wheels also come standard which is a must if you actually plan on going off-road. Not to mention Duke/Vit/Svart are actually 44HP.. not 40hp.. This video is very biased and don't give all the facts like your last hype video for the Triumph's where you forgot the Trident 660's even exist..You also don't mention BMW G310R are made in INDIA but with the expensive BMW servicing costs! probably by same company that builds the Dukes/Svarts/Triumphs. DO BETTER!
There is nothing Triumph in these models KTM Engine is for speed addicts (good upgrade for Pulsar fans) Bajaj is plonking same engine into Dominar, KTM Duke, KTM Adv, Husqvarna Svartpilen & Husqvarna Vitpilen Nothing Unique just cosmetics Shame on Triumph & Bajaj for selling DOMINAR in new clothes
Hi Motobob - love the videos but you’re wrong on the main competition for the scrambler, It’s the Fantic Caballero 500! (Enfield yes but not the KTM or BMW, they are small adv bikes not scramblers. Please check out the Fantic Caballero 500 Scrambler, Rally or Explorer - A great looking bike with, heritage, ability and very similar specs and price point to the Triumph Scrambler. The Fantic Scrambler is probably most similar (Although I prefer Rally/Explorer as they more dirt capable with fully adjustable suspension and I think better clearance?) - Please do a comparison of these as they are top of my list at the moment! (Also the Mash 500 Scrambler if you want more value but less reputation?) Thanks !
As an entry level buyer I was set on getting a triumph bike. I actually hands down committed to a 2023 model and excited becoming part of the triumph family but decided to wait for the 2024 models. Not after this stunt… If I wanted an Indian made bike, for the Indian and far east markets, I would buy an Indian made bike!!!!! Triumph, You can put the largest Triumph Emblem you can and want to get on… It’s still an Indian bike! Very shady. I Rather spend more money on a “true“ English, Japanese, or Italian entry-level bike and get a bike with a true identity than a fake identity.
Both of these bikes are not needed underpowered and what only a thousand or two below their more capable siblings? Manufactures what are you doing I’ll make it easy for you entry mc’s 350-500cc keep ‘em under $5k next tier 600-800cc keep ‘em under $9k next 900-1200 cc keep ‘em under $13,990 ZX14Rrr Ducati’s etc etc 1300 cc plus go wild here endeth the lesson
Guess what Harley and Triumphs announced their Indian pricing for both bikes and it's gonna be one hell of a dual for the foreign beauts to conquer Indian roads...HD comes in at 2188 pounds and Trimph at 2130 pounds ...but the word is that the triumph engine does resemble a lot to the 390cc power plant that Bajaj-KTM already produces....but Harley's insane 38nm of torque is mind boggling..its good to see 2 pinnacle motorcycling brands famous for their twins and other engines..trickling down to the basic single cylinder...but with some fun factor indeed
I had a 390 Duke. Ktm had to buy it back because the paint started coming off the frame. I also had a 790 Duke. The dealership said my bike was the worst bike they have ever seen. It just fell apart from blown transmission, 3 instrument gauges, oil leaks, quick shifter, clutch etc. KTM is a awful company to work with. I just put a deposit on a Triumph 400X.
The Enfields are fare to heavy and lack torque and power. At the moment in Australia you can get 2022 Duke 390 for $ 7000 aust dollars on the road brand new. It's really is a scrambler and has heaps of torque and power and is around 160 K wet W weight and is really well made and a joy to ride. Great city suburb bike and handles the freeway with ease with plenty of speed to spare. It's the best value bike in Australia. Yes I own one. You probably need to be about 5ft-10inch tall because it's pretty high in the saddle. Of course if you can afford the triumph it's probably excellent but you will pay over ten grand Aus and I dought it will out perform the Duke 390 by much if any at all.
The Triumph 400x looks like a cool bike for sure and can do some light offroading but lacks the suspension travel and ground clearance compared to a scram 411 or a Himalayan. Most of these "scrambler" bikes are just street bikes mascurading as true offroad bikes. The Scram 411 is the only bike l know of that is actually derived from an offroad ADV platform all the rest are just street bikes. That being said l would buy both the Scram 411 and the 400x if l had the cash.
I’d love to see a pic of all the competitors side by side with stats under each one including the other offerings in the 4-6 thousand category , RE interceptors would be included and folks they’re 650’s . ❤ personally I love retro looks so it limits the ones I’d buy to Honda , RE and Triumph I reckon .❤
India pricing is out for Street - it is 2.3 lakhs ex showroom, around 2800 USD and for sure will shake up things here for Honda and RE selling their bikes at almost same price and half the power..
I have the Duke 390 and it's a excellent bike. You need to be reasonably tall however because of the seat height. The scartpilen 401 is nearly the same as the Duke in performance but personally I prefer the look of the Duke.
Autotrader seem to have the scrambler estimated at £6k As good as it looks I'm taking the scam if that's the case. The cl500 is also 6k so I think it's about right. But just a bit rich for me. I know you can't compare new and used but I'd rather pick up a very low mileage scram and save over 2k.
why do they always use 65kg rides that are 165 cm tall? They should use a genuine rider that goes 2/week at McDonald's, KFC etc Every time I go to the dealer, I am surprised how small those bike are in reality and make me look like an elephant on tiny tiny tricycle :)))
How would you compare these with the mid-cap. line up from Fantic? I'm surprised to see that the 2 Triumphs are priced at least £ 2000,- cheaper than the Fantics here in Denmark😲...
Down to what you can afford I would say. All good bikes.The Enfield will let you keep a couple of grand in your bank account.Triumph better motorcycles if you can afford them.
I'm selling my Scram 411 and im not overjoyed about it because its a very good bike and has never caused me any grief. I just needed something more powerful for much longer distances.
I have the Duke 390 21 model. It's fantastic specially now i put a 14 tooth front sprocket on it. It's fantastic but you need to be tall because it has a high seat height.
This is what Triumph needed, a REAL entry-level bike.
Absolutely spot on!
Given that the triumph 400 won't see British shores till December, and that by then I'm sure enfield will have launched the new Himalayan 450 liquid cooled, so that will be a direct competition for the triumph 400 scrambler I'd say
There's a scram 450 as well for sure.
I Guess this will the new Triumph Scrambler will be competition to RE Himalayan 450 !!
Bro what ?
scrambler and roadster 450
Scrambler will target Scram 411.
Maybe that's why RE purposely leaked the 450ad ridden by CS Santosh.
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Comparing a tractor with a sports car. Both have wheels.
Why doesn't Honda sell the CB350 in the UK? Looks fantastic old school, would fit right in over here!
Over here in Taiwan both CB350 are saleing like hot cake, flying off dealer lot, mostly because of the low price, and they do look pretty cool
And our unique right of way here limmilt all motorcycle to local road so the 20 something horse power is more than enough for local roads and urban riding
But if you are in UK where bike are allow on highway, I think you may find the 350s a tiny bit under power when riding highway speeds
It’s been a year now. Best effortless bike. Engine is the selling point.
They are very nice machine, popular among enthusiasts here in india and was launched 2 years back.
@turtledovechen176 Prozzie a Canadian living in Taiwan has just bought a Hobda Rebel 500cc, similar power to the Triumph.
@@kbarnbrook4993even though the power may not be necessarily, a lot of people here still buy bigger bike, because bikes are just straight up cool after all, even liter bike are quite common. i just ordered a CL500 myself(it is call CL Street here because Benz already registered the name CL500, at least that is what the Honda sells rep told me)
Not just for youngsters , I’m 71 and bigger bikes are to heavy nowadays + the triumph speed saddle is only 790 which is great as my hips are going and I’ve shrunk 1 inch in height in the last 3 years ( it will happen to you youngsters as well 🤪😊👍) going to book a test ride asp ( red one of course) 😊👍
Age is just a Number 😊
Keep on riding
Keep up the Throttle
@@SP.05 You're in for a rude awakening at 60, kid.
Not just for older & shorter riders.I'm 48 & had a crash & stuffed my back & ankles & light bikes are for me now.I got a Trident 🔱 for it's low weight & push it around no problems my old Interceptor would of been abit to heavy for me.These new Triumph 400(T400) are great lightweight have enough power for motorways look great.I looked at the Tiger 🐅 660 206kg but it was the upswoopped seat I struggled to swing my leg over with my bad back,hip & Trident 🔱 189kg & I could swing leg over seat.
I think it will be closer to the RE twins' price. So that is what we should compare
yeah and hunter and cb350 are no way its competition both in terms of money and power figure
I’m hoping for it to be $6k or under but my gut is telling me $6.5k
Dont forget these are getting built out of Bajaj so HOPEFULLY that'll bring the price down some more.
@@Thunder_Bear_mg I am hoping it won't cross 6k
@@adityaduttamishra7993yeaah lol, The triumph twins will be priced atleast 280K Ex showroom
A friend of mine bought a RE for his first bike. Didn’t make it a year before he traded in for a Street Scrambler. I think these new Triumphs are going to kill it in this market.
I think you're right. I know what badge l'd want on my tank.
And they have
Should do a comparison between the new upcoming re 450 Himalayan and triumph 400 bikes
The new 400 seems on par with the KTM 390, but with decent modern classic looks. The 400X I'm most excited about as a weekday commuter, with actual ability for weekends off road. I'd love an XE variant with some even longer stroke suspension, higher ground clearance, and spoked wheels (please Triumph!)... even so the standard 400X should hit the sweet spot for many. The new RE 450 Himalayan could be stiff competition for it though, especially if it maintains RE's typically aggressive pricing.
definitely competition for KTM and especially the Husqvarna 401s
Gosh this motorcycle looks fabulous 🤩.
You can see its a modern take on the 250 Trophy/Trail Blazer & BSA B25 Gold Star SS 250 from the early 1970s.
I can see the 400 being a successful venture im sure.
But Hunter 350 still looks better than the Speed 400 in my opinion. But the Triumph is an overall better bike💯
And the Interceptor looks better still, at the same price as the Triumph, has proved itself, and is probably a better bike in the real world.
Royal Enfield is much for reliable....
This is Triumph realising the place to be is India when you look at Royal Enfield incredible success. You will have be . Quick to get one (Triumph) they really have nailed it! India will overtake Japan in sales with in a few years because of home sales and PRICE!!! Great because we Benefit!!
Affordable not reliable
Hey @motobob any rumors/hints of them launching an adventure version using the 400 platform or the scramble is it?
I think the Scrambler looks ace and perfect for my 60 year old body 😅
......lovely to see triumph's trademark timing and primary drive cases adorning their new lightweight singles, continuing the original 1930's speed twin pedigree, on a lumpy little single, perhaps we will see a 400cc liquid cooled triumph trailblazer option to top the off road variants at some later point? Great uploads chap!
These bikes have been revealed in india for Pricing equal to 2,226 GBP . which is crazy 😀
Ill definitely be test riding the speed 400 in spring of 2024 when they hit the states to see if I like it more than the hunter 350 I test rode recently. If the speed 400 is priced more than 2 grand more than hunter 350, I’ll probably pass unless it really “wows” me.
It'll be expensive when compared with hunter 350, hunter looks beautiful and is a steal for it's price 😊
More I see the numbers the more I think Husqvarna Svartpilen/Vitpilen 401 are main competitors much more more than Royal Enfield ? Road and Scrambler
Thanks for the GREAT review!!! I'd like to see a comparison between the Kawasaki z400 and the new Triumph Speed 400. The Triumph is beautiful and new, but the Kawasaki is lighter and has a little more power.
This video is about BAJAJ (Triumph,KTM) vs TVS (BMW) vs ROYAL ENFIELD 😂. War of INDIAN two wheelers makers😂😂
If triumph can keep the price around 6 grand or less than they'll be a huge hit. The bikes you forgot to mention are the Fantic scramblers. I've ridden the rally and loved it except that exhaust that makes it feel like you're riding a fat pony. Seeing the Triumph scrambler 400x makes me think I'll hold off a bit longer.
6 grand still is too much. You can get the interceptor if you spend a little more.
@@SonOfDrogo as long as it's near the KTM390 price it will sell great.
@SonOfDrogo why are people comparing this to the Interceptor? 2 totally different bikes. The only comparison is British design.
@@mark.e.p ah that's because of the price bracket. Pushing it close to interceptor price would be bad. KTM390 price range is the perfect one though
I bet they will be priced very close to the KTM 390s, putting them in a different market to the Hunter, but within temptation distance of Scram and Himalayan shoppers. If Triumph are too greedy with their pricing, they risk losing buyers to the RE 650 twins.
The KTM Duke looks like a transformer coughed up a hairball. The Triumphs are absolutely beautiful.
Cheer's from Brasil!! Some of the models are not available here, wich is such a shame for us. Anyway, loved the pair up of options!! Good job! Hehe I'm looking forward to see the Scrambler 400x, but I hope it comes cheaper then Duke's.. hehe
I own the Himalayan and the KTM 390 Adv. I checked out all the other bikes on this video, except the Triumphs obviously. The Himi will go everywhere and is a joy to own, but the KTM is lighter, faster, nimbler and thus, more fun. The BMW is out. Enter the new Triumphs. Oh jeez, they look good. If/when they come to the U.S. I may need to go shopping again!
thx,
S
Put the 1200 XE forks on it...😁
I have a Scram and cant wait for these to come out. That scrambler just looks so good and has the much better HP
How about the Kawasakis? Z400 (or Ninja) has a great engine for the money.
It's great when you realize almost all these bikes are made in India.
I like both the Bajaj offerings, if not a bit of a confusing mix of modern and retro.
Would probably go for an RE. Anything not Chinese landfill is a good start.
There's also Harley Davidson X440, RE Himalayan 450 and also existing Honda GB350.
@@varun2250 Harley is now half Chinese if I'm not wrong.
Every motorcycle Motobob's compared the Triumph with seems to know what they're doing. Triumph, to me, seems like it is trying to be a bit of everything. That is usually an instant recipe for disaster. But I hope Bajaj knows what it is trying to do. Maybe it is trying to create a new segment. Who knows! For me, the look of the new Triumphs is a turn-off.
Thought the Endfields had a decent bike ,
But these Triumphs look miles apart in a good way
@@martinhughes9769 By the time these Triumph's enter UK with their steep pricing, there will be alternatives like HD X440 and the anticipated RE Himalayan 450.
These are most beautiful 400 s i have ever seen
I saw that CFMoto is soon releasing a naked version of their 450SS. Modern styled but would be equal to the new Triumph's in weight and likely undercut them in price. More claimed power than the Triumph's or any of the mentioned rivals + 270° P-twin layout should also produce the best exhaust note!
Great review Motobob. I think the scram looks wise is up there and for the price. The trident seems a similar sizing and also comparable to the Benelli offerings in sizing for smaller bikes like the Benelli Leoncino 500 scrambler and 800 scrambler that are also lovely bikes. The only discernible factor for me buying these bikes is the dealership network in the United Kingdom and the people willing to work on them which puts the likes of triumph at the top but the prices are also fairly high in comparison to the models I mentioned. I forgot to mention another Italian bike the Cabalerro fabric scrambler 125 and 500 which are beautiful looking machines and FM moto
And motoguzzi bigger 650 scramblers. I am not a fan of the 400 Harley rear end scambler fendering 😆
With the inclusion of the Honda, what about a Benelli Leoncino Trail?
The triumph scrambler lacks just one thing, that's suspension travel. In every other aspect, it's a ktm390.
i think enfield will enjoy the cult following factor, especially in big markets like India where people know their history, and you will definitely see meteor 350 and classic 350 on the top of the sales chart, even when baby harley and these triumphs are on the way. honda and jawa has already tried to challenge enfield in small size retro neo segment, but they have failed. and most important that how enfield gives a perfect soul to the bike, their bikes delievers the exact feel that a classic rider need. I am actually exited so see how the harley 440 is made. If they are successful to give the same experience as enfied and of course price then i think it could steal some sales from royal enfield's sales chart
I'd definitely try the Triumph if I were leaning toward this category of bike. Looks cool
MPG will be better on the Hunter
Re is not a competitor for this, double hp.....
Scrambler 400X - wins the hearts!
Personally I'd go for the bullet proof honda
Great video Bob as always! For me the Speed Twin 400 is THE BIKE to try out when available, although I like the looks of the Husqvarna also
It's not a Twin!.. It's called just Speed 400 & it's a single cylinder..
The 400x scrambler is the one , but I’d buy a use fanfic caballero 500 if I can’t wait till 2024 👍🏍🏍👍
Am I the only one who hates the way KTMs look? I greatly prefer the retro, or at least single headlight look. The over-under headlights of the Suzuki GSX-8S also looks great.
Kawasaki Eliminator 450
i put a deposit on speed 400 in blue yesterday
I didn't like the Gold color on USDF
In India we also have Yezdi Sceambler as a competitor. Yezdi actually looks really good!
Yezdi sucks. Scrambler has rock hard suspension. Crap bike
The over used mojo 300 engine is getting old in the tooth.
I bought a Scram as a training bike. I'm doing DAS training with students on MT07s. I have no problem keeping pace with these bikes out on the dual carriageway. You just hold onto the gears a bit longer. Off road it's agile, stable and easy to ride - it's certainly well beyond my level of competence. Where Enfield cuts the costs is in the peripherals, so you just have to accept that you will be upgrading things like chains, brake pads and so on. The tyres are just fine, despite being budget, so I'll wear them out before changing them.
On the Triumphs, I agree with Stuart Fillingham here - the Enfields are not really the competition as they are very different machines with different characteristics and price range. Overall, I suspect that the Triumphs despite being pitched at the Asian market will do better in places like Europe.
Thank you, but I'll wait for the Himalayan 450.
If the Triumph rides well and they price it right, under £6k, then theres no competition. It's the Scrambler 400 in Khaki Green for me.
Speed is for 233k INR here so it will be around 5k or under in uk
The most capable bike is the KTM but the seat height is a major drawback and hence the Triumph is the best option
I have the KTM and you need to be close to 6 feet tall to feel comfortable on it. If you are tall do yourself a favour and buy the Duke. They are awesome
RE Scram is my least favorite RE.
I’ll wait to see the royal Enfield for 50 but I think I’m leaning towards the triumph scrambler for my next purchase
Triumph def nailed it with these. They look better then the RE's with the power of those transformer looking KTM's.
For 6grand price tag, you should be comparing with interceptor not with hunter
That Triumph is my next bike. I need to find out when US dealerships are going to start taking deposits
I love you tube.. Comments, You can compare bikes that I've not even physically seen yet with bikes that haven't been built yet. Nice feature. .
First, there's nothing "retro" about a mono shock rear end, should have been styled as a single Bonnie, twin shocks and a lower seat height. Worse yet, this bike {in the States} is going to $7000 out the door - laughable for a "starter 400cc bike". RE's are getting $1000 tacked onto list price here, they're effectively six grand.
My money is on the Speed 400
0:21 in inda this bikes are not second bike or commuter for us this bike are Proper big bike for us & lifestyle
Without any doubt, I would go to the Triumph Speed 400 🤩 It looks very beautiful 😍
Harley Davidson bringing out a Indian 350 for India & maybe a 400 for the West but being a HD will probably cost more.
Thanks for the comments about highway riding and tour capabilities. Looking forward to your ride review.
No Yamaha? Kawasaki?
If the Triumphs are more premium priced, like the rest of their range, the RE interceptor becomes a very tempting offer too and with loads more torque, I will be patient and wait but I'm leaning towards paying a little more and getting the Interceptor for cruising longer distances and climbing mountain passes.
Why are you comparing to the hunter 350?? You should be comparing to the 411 scram..
I prefer new Little triumph 🎉
For new riders or for second bike... WHY DO YOU DO THIS!?
Been riding for 15 years, want a smallish commuter, the scram could do the job.
So either I am a beginner or I am too poor to have 2 bikes¿
It is foolish to compare hunter with triumph. Hunter is not a premium bike like hunter or CB 350
Kawasaki Z400?
What about interceptor
The best bang for buck and tech is the Svartpillen 401. PERIOD.
You keep forgetting the Svartpillin/Vitpilliin 401 has the same adjustable forks as the 390 ADV but it's price is around or below the Duke 390 in certain markets! (you are getting KTM 390 ADV for price below a Duke 390!) It's also even got quickshifter/autoblipper as stock which is not even a aftermarket option in on the Duke 390 any other market other than India, Spoke wheels also come standard which is a must if you actually plan on going off-road. Not to mention Duke/Vit/Svart are actually 44HP.. not 40hp.. This video is very biased and don't give all the facts like your last hype video for the Triumph's where you forgot the Trident 660's even exist..You also don't mention BMW G310R are made in INDIA but with the expensive BMW servicing costs! probably by same company that builds the Dukes/Svarts/Triumphs.
DO BETTER!
How well do these bikes out excellerate mr hoodie dealer at he lights and when he is tailgating you in traffic at
roundabouts in london?
There is nothing Triumph in these models
KTM Engine is for speed addicts (good upgrade for Pulsar fans)
Bajaj is plonking same engine into Dominar, KTM Duke, KTM Adv, Husqvarna Svartpilen & Husqvarna Vitpilen
Nothing Unique just cosmetics
Shame on Triumph & Bajaj for selling DOMINAR in new clothes
Hi Motobob - love the videos but you’re wrong on the main competition for the scrambler, It’s the Fantic Caballero 500! (Enfield yes but not the KTM or BMW, they are small adv bikes not scramblers.
Please check out the Fantic Caballero 500 Scrambler, Rally or Explorer - A great looking bike with, heritage, ability and very similar specs and price point to the Triumph Scrambler. The Fantic Scrambler is probably most similar (Although I prefer Rally/Explorer as they more dirt capable with fully adjustable suspension and I think better clearance?) - Please do a comparison of these as they are top of my list at the moment! (Also the Mash 500 Scrambler if you want more value but less reputation?) Thanks !
As an entry level buyer I was set on getting a triumph bike. I actually hands down committed to a 2023 model and excited becoming part of the triumph family but decided to wait for the 2024 models.
Not after this stunt…
If I wanted an Indian made bike, for the Indian and far east markets, I would buy an Indian made bike!!!!!
Triumph, You can put the largest Triumph Emblem you can and want to get on… It’s still an Indian bike!
Very shady. I Rather spend more money on a “true“ English, Japanese, or Italian entry-level bike and get a bike with a true identity than a fake identity.
Both of these bikes are not needed underpowered and what only a thousand or two below their more capable siblings? Manufactures what are you doing I’ll make it easy for you entry mc’s 350-500cc keep ‘em under $5k next tier 600-800cc keep ‘em under $9k next 900-1200 cc keep ‘em under $13,990 ZX14Rrr Ducati’s etc etc 1300 cc plus go wild here endeth the lesson
Guess what Harley and Triumphs announced their Indian pricing for both bikes and it's gonna be one hell of a dual for the foreign beauts to conquer Indian roads...HD comes in at 2188 pounds and Trimph at 2130 pounds ...but the word is that the triumph engine does resemble a lot to the 390cc power plant that Bajaj-KTM already produces....but Harley's insane 38nm of torque is mind boggling..its good to see 2 pinnacle motorcycling brands famous for their twins and other engines..trickling down to the basic single cylinder...but with some fun factor indeed
Speed 400's, hunter 350, CB350's, Ktm390's, Bmw310's, scram411 all are either Indian brand or made in India and exported CL500 is a exception
I had a 390 Duke. Ktm had to buy it back because the paint started coming off the frame. I also had a 790 Duke. The dealership said my bike was the worst bike they have ever seen. It just fell apart from blown transmission, 3 instrument gauges, oil leaks, quick shifter, clutch etc. KTM is a awful company to work with. I just put a deposit on a Triumph 400X.
The Enfields are fare to heavy and lack torque and power. At the moment in Australia you can get 2022 Duke 390 for $ 7000 aust dollars on the road brand new. It's really is a scrambler and has heaps of torque and power and is around 160 K wet W weight and is really well made and a joy to ride. Great city suburb bike and handles the freeway with ease with plenty of speed to spare. It's the best value bike in Australia. Yes I own one. You probably need to be about 5ft-10inch tall because it's pretty high in the saddle. Of course if you can afford the triumph it's probably excellent but you will pay over ten grand Aus and I dought it will out perform the Duke 390 by much if any at all.
The Triumph 400x looks like a cool bike for sure and can do some light offroading but lacks the suspension travel and ground clearance compared to a scram 411 or a Himalayan. Most of these "scrambler" bikes are just street bikes mascurading as true offroad bikes. The Scram 411 is the only bike l know of that is actually derived from an offroad ADV platform all the rest are just street bikes. That being said l would buy both the Scram 411 and the 400x if l had the cash.
400cc triple "competition" scrambler.... The ADV and SuperMoto killer. Lets go Triumph, give us a Unicorn!
I’d love to see a pic of all the competitors side by side with stats under each one including the other offerings in the 4-6 thousand category , RE interceptors would be included and folks they’re 650’s . ❤ personally I love retro looks so it limits the ones I’d buy to Honda , RE and Triumph I reckon .❤
Should compare this with RE 450 when it get release. Now RE vs TRIUMPH is real
India pricing is out for Street - it is 2.3 lakhs ex showroom, around 2800 USD and for sure will shake up things here for Honda and RE selling their bikes at almost same price and half the power..
I’m in the market for a Duke 390, Scartpilen 401, and Speed 400. Such different styling but so much else in common!!
I have the Duke 390 and it's a excellent bike. You need to be reasonably tall however because of the seat height. The scartpilen 401 is nearly the same as the Duke in performance but personally I prefer the look of the Duke.
Autotrader seem to have the scrambler estimated at £6k
As good as it looks I'm taking the scam if that's the case.
The cl500 is also 6k so I think it's about right.
But just a bit rich for me.
I know you can't compare new and used but I'd rather pick up a very low mileage scram and save over 2k.
why do they always use 65kg rides that are 165 cm tall? They should use a genuine rider that goes 2/week at McDonald's, KFC etc
Every time I go to the dealer, I am surprised how small those bike are in reality and make me look like an elephant on tiny tiny tricycle :)))
How would you compare these with the mid-cap. line up from Fantic? I'm surprised to see that the 2 Triumphs are priced at least £ 2000,- cheaper than the Fantics here in Denmark😲...
Down to what you can afford I would say. All good bikes.The Enfield will let you keep a couple of grand in your bank account.Triumph better motorcycles if you can afford them.
I'm selling my Scram 411 and im not overjoyed about it because its a very good bike and has never caused me any grief. I just needed something more powerful for much longer distances.
Spent a few seconds trying to find out if the trumpy has dohc and 4 valve.....computer said ......N0
Have the scram but would prefer the Triumph. Don't understand why it took Triumph so long to get into this market. We all dont want a 900 or 1200.
I put money down on the Triumph 400X Scram. This will pull dual service with my 1200 Rally Pro as a commuter bike.
I have the Duke 390 21 model. It's fantastic specially now i put a 14 tooth front sprocket on it. It's fantastic but you need to be tall because it has a high seat height.
Don't forget about the Americans, HD 440x launched under $3000 in india. The real competator.
@motobob whats your thought on comparing triump speed 400 with harley davidson x440