Stop Doing Dips IMMEDIATELY!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ย. 2024
- I keep getting this question, so it's time to tell you about doing dips. They can be very dangerous and in this video I am going to tell you why.
Thanks and God Bless - Ron Williams
www.ironchestmaster.com
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Dips have been around for years. They even have specialised dips bars in gyms purely designed for performing sets of dips. Dips however are not shoulder friendly. As you lower yourself down, under full bodyweight, during the Dip exercise you put your shoulder capsule under huge amounts of strain.
Basically the arms are not designed to go backwards in that way. You can see this for yourself just by standing tall and then seeing how far you can take the arms backwards.
The worse types of Dips are the ones you see during boot camps that are performed off a park bench. Ever wondered why your shoulders are sore after performing Dips? It’s because you are stretching all your ligaments and the soft tissue of the shoulder joint. If you don’t want sloppy and unstable shoulder joints that are more likely to dislocate then lay off the Dips.
Although parallel bar dips are great mass builders for the chest and triceps they damage the joints. This exercise appealing because it can be done at a gym that is equipped with a dipping station (or machine) or between to solid objects such as two chairs (facing each other).
This exercise is a chest exercise and a compound movement. Although this exercise can be classified as a triceps exercise, many use it as a chest builder. However, there are simply better, safer, alternatives to using parallel or bench dips to grow your chest and tricep muscles.
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Yup...dips are dangerous...that's why I add weight to mine, and do weighted dips instead👍
Good job safety first
do it in correct way it not dangerous
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I love dips... weighted... I'm 45 and my chest looks the best it's ever looked...my shoulders look bigger too.... People get very intimidated when I walk around in public they think I'm sticking my chest out but I'm not..lol
d'oh
Dips are one of the best exercises for chest and triceps
yes, sir.
Might be true, but that doesn't mean it's safe to do.
any exercise isnt safe if you dont know you to do it properly
100%
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These comments are killing me, but this one had me cackling
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I've been doing dips exercise since I was 16, now 52. One thing to keep in mind when doing dips is to:
1 - listen to your body and respect your age.
2 - Warm up before doing dips.
3 - Do not overdo it, means like a lot of sets with too much repetitions.
4 - Never use weights around your hips, your body weight is pretty enough for this squeezing exercise.
5 - Don't do it too slow and don't do it too fast, keep the motion in between, usually the dip down motion is slightly faster than the pull up motion but keep it in control, do not drop down.
6 - Do it on a parallel " bars " and not on a parallel " anything " where you can " grab " it with your fingers closed in on the bar instead of " placing " your hands with an open fingers, less stress on the wrists and keeps the elbows close to the body.
7 - Keep your shoulders tight and YOUR ELBOWS close to your body, do NOT widen your elbows away, that's a killer for your rotating shoulders.
8 - When you dip down, DO NOT do it full range motion, instead keep the motion halfway down where the elbows are slightly parallel to the ground and when you push it up better not to lock the shoulders and elbows completely, let it flow smoothly.
9 - Try to keep your back straight especially when you push it up, means engage your whole back muscles during the push up motion, it keeps the body straight and gives you a boost.
10 - When you feel pain, constant pain and feel that the pain is blocking you from performing the exercise ( any exercise for that matter ), STOP doing it until you heal, rest smart so to speak until your injury is repaired and the pain is gone and when that happens, try to get back to perform the exercise stage by stage, step by step and NOT back to it right away as in full. Listening to your body is a smart thing to do, listen and heed, when your body says stop push it a lil further, but when your body screams and begging you to STOP, then you must refrain, no pain no gain is a BS theory, working out as a lifestyle is not the same as working out to compete, if you're not competing why pushin it to the edge?
Bottom line, you should feel at ease when performing an exercise, at ease means in control, the moment you lose control, you put yourself in the injury zone, been there done that and it's not worth it, play it safe.
I do weighted dips and have no problem, I might have pain when I started but it was a form issue so it's been fine for a long, long time
Good form will not injure you
Good points...
some of your points don't make sense
+Shortkid110 and you are still short , I am sorry for ya kid !
Weighted dips are no doubt hard on your joints, but the more you do them, the stronger your joints and tendons get. Its like that with every other compound movement. This is one reason why guys who are injecting do higher reps/volume instead of lifting heavy, they get stronger faster than their joints grow.
this man is trying to make us all stay weak.. Dips got me so much stronger.
Bruh, he's not saying not to do dips, he's offering alternatives that may be safer for your shoulders, I'm a huge fan of dips too btw
Same here, they pushed my triceps out and gave me a general better shape..
Agree, this man is misleading, and holding people back. Doing dips for years, used to have messed up shoulders, but wasn't from dips. Still do them now and my shoulders are 100% healthy, and chest is looking great. He also stated not to do them at the end of a chest workout, because it's more dangerous? That's furthest from truth, you want to do them at the end of a compound movement chest workout, because your whole shoulder complex is really warmed up at that point, and ready to do dips. People should watch the Jeff Nippard video on dips. It is important to pull shoulder blades back and hold them there the whole time, when doing dips, makes it even safer.
I did dips for 10 minutes my tricep sting hurt for 2 days straight
@@fishermanphil6092 ‘it’s in the title 😅, stop doing dips immediately’
In conclusion, every exercise is bad for your joints.
xSferQx lmfao right
Yup lol
Not true at all. It's the opposite.
@@joelbackman8330 is a joke
In conclusion, the reason why bodybuilders don’t do full range of motion is to prevent injuries.
just dont go too low when doing dips and you'll be fine
isolator86 that is right becuase i injured myself onetime while i am doing dips going too down
hani hamade Did u repair yourself afterwards?
Yes thanks god but after a while
Just train your elasticity and you will be fine, dips are my favorite exercice
that's true ! dont go low
Thanks for the videos
A lot of the negative comments appear to be from younger guys who haven't been alive long enough to wear out there shoulders. Dips and upright rows are off the table for me after years of loving the movement.
A few more decades and some of the people commenting will understand what you were trying to convey to them.
My thoughts exactly!
True ....I need to shut up and listen
This video was true for me. Ive seen people doing it no problem; maybe they got problems later, maybe not, but dips are definitely not my exercise..
Who else just watched this video for fun knowing the info in this vid was horseshit anyways
me
I did
Jazzy Wikberg 🖐🏿
ask any well educated physical therapist about the shoulder's natural movement especially correlating to the shoulder joints placement while performing a dip... or look up what can happen when someone is handcuffed behind the back. (hint: it can cause permanent shoulder injury).
Kevin Rodriguez I do dips every day, no problem. Ask MY physical therapist and he will say this video is full of shit.
Very informative guy without all the ego lifting going on in other channels. He's very right.. these weird movements eventually catch up with you.. I've been working out for 20 years now and some of the workouts I used to love to do now hurt too much.. but when I did them I was young and didn't listen to anyone..no pain no gain.. until pain is all you got
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You call her Stephanie? I call her HEADPHANIE.
John Oyinloye
Lets hope that boyfriend of yours doesn't find out.
OFFICIAL NSA What!? Bruh what you talkin' bout man? I'm out ya'll trippin
lmao headpahnie
I don't agree with a lot of things Ron says..However what I do know is that he is a high quality guy, who is healthy, happy, and genuinely cares about others.
Sure he knows a lot about the human body, but aren't 99% of his theories all broscience? I can't find any studies which prove that arch theory of his to be true. Just saying.
Hey Mick, I am an Exercise Physiologist and this is what I do. I have a registered Trademark for Arc Movement Technology -- this is the training technique that I have personally developed and have utilized with literally thousands of individuals and professional athletes. TH-cam has given me an opportunity to share it with a wider audience. In my videos, I try to explain the training concepts and principles down to the simplest terms that even a 3rd grader could understand, because the more simple the explanation the easier for people to understand. I don't want to lose my audience. If you were to Google an anatomy chart of the body you will notice that for each muscle their are two insertions and each one of the muscle bellies are made in an arc. When you contract the muscle the bone that is above or below the muscle has to move to create a contraction and every time that happens you see the arc formation. Not only is this true for the human body, but also in the animal kingdom. I will give you a good example the largest muscle group and leanest on a bird is his chest. Does the bird fly in a square or in an arc? The bird has a humerus and a ball in a socket just like you and I and this arc movement that he flies in protects the joint and builds the chest and shoulders -- we have the ability to duplicate the same motion. This simple science works throughout the body and can protect you from long term damage. Thanks for reading this -- I hope it helps. God bless you, Ron
+Ron Williams Oh okay, thanks for the clarification and your quick response!
+Mick Vink I can see why you thought this. Due to the fact that he says pectorial instead of pectoral. Also saying things like when the shoulder moves forward it contracts the chest. Opposed to saying that the chest contraction pulls the shoulder forward.
hello my friend,so if bench press hits more the front of my shoulder.....dips are not safe...what can i do to have a good and muscular chest? i really wanna know some exercises,because there are a lot of damage exercises these days.thank you
i always felt pain in my shoulder.... i stop doing these aaaaaaand the pain its gone thank you!!!!
it's not danger exercise all you need to do is to work on flexibility and mobility on your shoulders and it'll get you away from pain and i recommand to do it before and after you working out
for all respect i do calisthenics and a lot of advance movement like planche handstand...ect
and i do them on dips bar and feels good and nothing hurts,thx!!!i respect this man he is pro and im not trying to be rude
love unity and peace
You're supposed to only go parallel for dips.
This is correct, I used to hate dips because I got injured from it, but now with a guidance of a good coach, I do them regularly and painlessly.
DIPS should be done where the shoulder is below your elbows at the bottom position, now I'm not saying you go on and do them like this, because if you're just starting out to do dips (new to this particular movement, doesn't matter if you have over 9000 years of training age with weights) chances are they are going to hurt your shoulders.
Work on your mobility, a good way to start increasing that ROM in dips is the decline bench press.
Some "doctors" or "Physio" might disagree with this, but most of the time these are the same doctors that would tell you to stop exercising altogether just to avoid the hassle.
+Ong Kae they would tell you that to keep you sick and on several different medications
i did breakdance and dips ruined my shoulder it was not because of bad form its because the exercise is bad except you dont go heavy
i prefer decline bench instead of this... i work our for more than 8 years..i am very fit and dips bothers my sholders, and i am super flexible, so maybe what Works for you dont work for me, we all have different acromium in the shoulder area.. ir doesent hurts to do sholder presses ir dips one time, but if i make that regular, it start to hurt and pop... so i quit doing and never felt pain again
Natural body builder of the Decade XD and i was lost.
Legend has it: he's so natural, actual nature grows from him.
Actually, Squats hurt my shoulders more than weighted dips. Should I stop doing them as well.I'm joking, no way I'd stop doing dips XD
me too, dips are my most favorite exercise, i had an absolutely flat chest so you could see my ribs through skin, now at least i have some muscles on my chest, and all cause of dips. I know this dude is experienced, but man, stop doing dips...rly? i will have no motivation to go outside and work out.
+Legalas Elf I agree, I hit the dip station twice a week as a part of my tri/chest routine. My lower pecs have developed sufficiently because of the weighted dip. I will not abandon the dip, though risky, I feel the dividends are worth the risk. I would suggest to you a super set of weighted chin ups and weighted dips. I do the chins for my biceps. This superset seems to work nicely for my arms, I do it twice a week! I do not do curls but have decent sized biceps. Gymnast biceps.
+John Lol. Lol. There is no better tricepz builder than dips and the only exercise which is better bulding chest is bench press. Why these two exercises are the best? Because they allow you to add weight safely. Try doing weighted dips with 70 kilos. You will have triceps like the head of Donald Trump. However, we can't say the same with analytical exercises, like french press, biceps curl... If you try to do a heavy biceps curl, it will turn into a back curl, and you will end up injured. So you won't be able to add weight, and the muscular activation always will be less than in compound exercises, in which you can put a lot of weight. Also, analytical exercises do not transfer into movements of the everyday life, so they don't make you stronger, only bigger
My job is not to tell you what to do, but I love my subscribers and I want to protect them and keep them safe. All I am saying is there is a better and safer way to work the triceps and the lower chest. I have been in the field a long time as a trainer, as an instructor, and a professor of exercise physiology. This movement is biomechanically incorrect and eventually it will catch up to you. But if you are determined to do dips the moment you start feeling any pain I want you to remember this video and "Stop". I say this in love. Your friend in the fitness arena, Ron Williams God bless you!!
Shows a movement of the shoulder to show that dips should be avoided - recommends a cable cross that contains the exact movement ...
The shoulder joint is a ball and a socket. The cable crossover is a natural movement it is very similar to a bird in flight. Each of the muscle groups are made in an arc formation and the best way to develop any muscle is to stay within the arc that it was designed in. The shoulder was made to go forward and backward to contract the chest -- like in the cable crossover. But when you are doing the dips the shoulder is forced into an unnatural position and the more resistance you have the more pressure on the joint itself. It may not hurt today or tomorrow, but this movement is accumulative and later on is when you will start feeling the pain from the slow deterioration of the joints, ligaments, and tendons. It is the very reason why baseball players are only allowed so many pitches per game and per season, because they constantly go against the joint and they know that eventually the deterioration shows up in the form of pain -- many times it ends in surgery even though they may play from little league to the pros it eventually catches up. My job with this channel is to teach you how to avoid injuries from what you are doing now that shows up later in life. I always say ask yourself "Why" and "is there a better way to get the results that I am looking for." God bless you I hope this helps! Ron Williams
+Ron Williams Well, the only thing that I know is that I get shoulder pain from negative flies even with light weight. So I do what feels best for me, which are dips.
same exact? you're clearly blind lol
You need glasses, and a class in elementary geometry.
but he is the natural bodybuilder of the decade!
Is it that dips are inherently bad, or that people are weak (due to lifestyle/lack of strengthening) while in the certain areas of dip position? I started taking gymnastics a few months ago. I realized a lot of the things we call "bad" in the weightlifting/bodybuilding community is actually just because we're weak in those positions. And if you strengthen those weak positions properly, then you'll be fine.
I personally stopped doing dips years ago because I felt the excessive strain on my shoulder and left elbow. But this recent gymnastics training has really opened my eyes regarding the fact that most people, even athletes, are weak in a lot of places they shouldn't be, due to training imbalances and neglected areas.
Most people don't have the flexibility/mobility/range of motion that all humans naturally should have.
johnny_schwifty.soundcloud You should make a video to demonstrate
That's a great point, and you are probably right.
Mr Williams is still right, though. As long as people are too weak, and as long as people ignore the dangers of dips, they shouldnt do em.
How do gymnastics fix that problem may i ask? Would be useful for all of us :)
Disagreed. How do you know how much flexibility we "should" have? You don't. You don't need any extra strength to carry out your daily tasks and all sports are inherently a bit unhealthy and vain. The more extreme the stretch, the more danger there is regardless of your strength or flexibility.
This is some broscience logic if I ever seen one. People roll their shoulders during pull ups too if they have bad posture or inability to depress/retract the shoulders. Should pull ups be avoided as well? I doubt it.
Pull ups and dips are the best exercises and true measure of a man's strength
And woman's, thing is they are hard that's why most people shy away from them.
Elen C You can do them, you just need to work your way up to it.
I do both dips and pull ups, with the pull/chin ups I cant do very many but working on it. I have videos on my FB page. I dont understand why dips are bad, it's a classic old school strength exercise and a lot of callisthenics people do them all the time.
Elen C Nice, my kind of girl:)
in the past when i have done dips i never went too far down for that reason. There is a safe way to perform dips, but it involves very strict movement and body awareness.
If you are doing partial dips ask yourself "Am I getting a full range of Motion" or "Am I fully developing the muscle being used". What if there was a better way to work the lower chest and the triceps would you do it? If the answer is "Yes" then I have done my job -- that is to say most people when performing dips are doing a full range of motion, which is a movement that is biomechanically incorrect it directly goes against the shoulder structure. And if I am not training with full range of motion then I am not getting the best out of the exercise. I always ask the question before adding an exercise into my regimen and that is "Is there a better way to work the muscle group to get the results that I am looking for." Thanks for your comment. God bless you, your friend in fitness Ron Williams
you should try and ask yourself that question after trying it. experience is the best way to obtain knowledge.
i love dips, nothing better than that to build tricep strength although close grip bench is very close.
then you wont be able to hit the lower chest
If dips are causing pain for ur shoulders then u are not doing them correctly or ur body is not strong enough to perform them simple
Zac Burley dips are truth! I completely disagree with this dude!
Zac Burley
Exactly!
I absolutely love doing dips.
I'm doing weighted dips today with no sound effects
Zac Burley well like the old time saying. Who dont listen most feel. If you listen good, he said, you can feel good by doing it but the side effect is not good. And hes right. We only train to look good for now. But do you also train good to feel good when your body cant handle pain no more?
Zac Burley how do I become strong enough to do dips?
Ron thank you for this amazing advice. I have no problem benching 315 lbs for reps. But when I try to do dips, I get extreme discomfort. I have been listening to my body and staying away from bodyweight dips and using decline dumbell chest presses instead. Keep up the great work. I am a subscriber now!
Ron, what about the thousands of people that have had great success doing dips? Ask one of the best benchers in the world, Jeremy Hoornstra, how he feels about dips.
There is no problem doing heavy weighted dips. You just need to train semi evenly and preferavly do mobilty work.(which you should be doing anyways) The reason most people get injured is from training unevenly and never doing mobilty work.
+James White Mobility work such as?
DeathRow There is so much diffrently mobilty work you can do and I am no expert on it. I always do somegymanstic mobity work(Bridges, manna ect) but there is pleanty of diffrent types you can do.
The shoulder joint is a ball and a socket. When you are doing the dips the shoulder is forced into an unnatural position and the more resistance you have the more pressure on the joint itself. It may not hurt today or tomorrow, but this movement is accumulative and later on is when you will start feeling the pain from the slow deterioration of the joints, ligaments, and tendons. It is the very reason why baseball players are only allowed so many pitches per game and per season, because they constantly go against the joint and they know that eventually the deterioration shows up in the form of pain -- many times it ends in surgery even though they may play from little league to the pros it eventually catches up. My job with this channel is to teach you how to avoid injuries from what you are doing now that shows up later in life. I always say ask yourself "Why" and "is there a better way to get the results that I am looking for." God bless you I hope this helps! Ron Williams
Ron Williams "Slow deterioratiom of joints, lingaments and tendons ? " Just like muscles all of those are naturally rebuilt stronger by your body but with a longer recovery time. There are many people who have never been injured from doing more than double body weight dips for years and years. Ofcourse there are "safer way to get bigger muscles or whatever.
"We're not going up, we're not going down, we're going OOOOOUUUUUWWWW!" - Ron Williams the "Natural" Bodybuilder of the decade.
Gideon Belinfante haha. He really doesnt want anyone to workout. If you dont feel any pain then you wont know if your doing it right let alone see results.
Just FYI its Pectoral not 'Pectorial'
thought I was the only one who noticed this
yeah lol be careful who you get your information from. not knowing the names of the muscles you are talking about raises flags.
mike powers lol
Yeah, what he's saying makes a lot of sense, but I found his pronunciation quite aggravating.
...thank you...gets annoying after awhile...
I am a competitive swimmer, and 41 years old. Dips are always in the list of dry land exercises for swimmers. I understand your concern, but there is a way to do this right and, lets say, less risky to the joint. I have learned to retract the trapezoid muscles during the movement. I never use weights in this exercise and I limited the range of motion too. This protect the shoulder.
the question is are they really effective? I would say no what do they develop? whatever you say I've developed it without dips
Tell this to Hannibal for King....Dips are one of the Best exercises out there
Thank you im doing Hannibals tutorial on dips and getting results with no pain other than burn and getting gains and he's in far better natty condition than this dude
Man, I respect your opinion on the topic but if you can't see how dramatically more your shoulders are rolling using the cables I don't know what to say. I've been doing dips like a new man for 12 years, I even still have the record at my old high school. I hope it doesn't catch up to me and injure my shoulders... IDK what to do now...
mad*
+Christian Bozwell I have a couple times, his shoulders are going back way more with the cables, the only difference I can see it there is more of a butterfly movement with the cables. Also he was doing dips with poor form (based on how I was shown) when you dip you are not supposed to be straight up and down you have to angle your feet back and upper torso forward a bit, and never go lower than a 90° angle at your elbow.
Christian Bozwell Yeah I'm stuck now cause I don't have access to cables. The last thing I wanna do mess up my joints.
The shoulder joint is a ball and a socket. When you are doing cable crossovers the ball rolls naturally backwards and forwards just like a bird in flight, but when you are doing the dips the shoulder is forced into an unnatural position and the more resistance you have the more pressure on the joint itself. It may not hurt today or tomorrow, but this movement is accumulative and later on is when you will start feeling the pain from the slow deterioration of the joints, ligaments, and tendons. It is the very reason why baseball players are only allowed so many pitches per game and per season, because they constantly go against the joint and they know that eventually the deterioration shows up in the form of pain -- many times it ends in surgery. My job with this channel is to teach you how to avoid injuries from what you are doing now that shows up later in life. I always say ask yourself "Why" and "is there a better way to get the results that I am looking for." God bless you I hope this helps! Ron Williams
+Ron Williams helps a lot, unfortunately I don't have access to do cables yet as I work out at home. is there maybe a way with resistance straps to get the same job done? I have a pull up bar at home maybe use that some how? Idk... anyways thanks a ton for your replies man it means a lot. God bless
OUUHHGGGH.... do I have to make this sound for it to fully work?
Of course.
+Thee Engineer
Yes, that's mean you finish your rep
Lmao hahahahah
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I've been doing dips for the past 20years and never had a problem. Im doing them when body is static and with swing forward and backward. One of the best exercises for triceps. Also when you are using the swinging motion includes shoulders, forearms, chest, abs and lower back. Best exercises are the ones that use your own body weight and includes as many muscles as possible. Be flexible and agile, big muscles don't mean anything it's just a complex
Who in God's name does a dip like that? He took that to the extreme to try and make his point, any exercise with shit form will be dangerous. I've never heard of you Ron, maybe that's down to my own ignorance but I am so sick of these wannabe celebs claiming they have found/discovered something about fitness that no one else has.
Honestly I've seen a lot of guys on youtube do dips super low with bent down shoulders. idk why he doesn't just advise to stay at 90 degrees or above and stay more upright to stress the triceps more though.
Yea good point. Maybe someone can start a fitness channel and pretend they have found shortcuts in bodybuilding by telling people to do normal exercises with proper form, there is definitely a gap in the market for it!
Well hey, as long as there are a lot of people doing exercises incorrectly then I don't see a problem with channels putting out good form videos. If the web is saturated is more videos with correct info then every gym-goer is more likely to come across the good advice - and more likely to listen to it. Alan Thrall is probably the best out there for that sort of content because he adds additional advice and info that a lot of people neglect.
Amen to that. Was thinking the same thing when THIS video popped up on my feed as with certain others,like "Mike Chang'" goddamn six-pack advertisements lmao.
I know it's two different things in terms of content but that's another one of those dudes who I dislike very much,simply because of how they advertise the ONLY ways to work out... *sigh*
If you have common sense you should be fine when working out if you know the correct way of performing the movements,if it hurts,you stop and take a look at what's wrong,because working out is not supposed to hurt in the form of a sudden pain.
It feels like videos like this that scares people shitless of certain exercises,look at the "click bait" title- "Stop Doing Dips IMMEDIATELY!" and then,in the description he write "They can be very dangerous and in this video I am going to tell you why. "......CAN. The title makes it seem like "omg,I'm gonna' fuck myself up doing dips,why did noone ever tell me this?" then you'll proceed to click it,may or may not read the description where it now says "CAN" be dangerous and then the guy in the video demonstrate the most extreme case of a fucked up dip movement.
When all that's said and done,this guy clearly know what he's doing but the way he kind of scare people away from certain exercises is just stupid,plus the click bait? I hate scare tactics and click baits.
Seriously,if people get sudden pain or a lasting pain over a lengthy amount of time,it should "flash a red light" and it's probably high time that person reevaluate their training.
Just my opinion and 326454039o54 cents.
+Ant Cooney loooool... exactly. .. this guy is such a tool
I fucked up my left shoulder doing dips. Good video!
Only because you were fucked up before doing them and werent prepared for them.
I had been doing dips for months so I don't know if it was truly dips that hurt my shoulder. Anytime I do a press whether it's a bench press or shoulder press my left shoulders hurts like a mofo.
I fucked up my left shoulder sleeping on that side, SO... sleep is bad! Nice logic.
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Possible and frequent. It happens a lot. Sleeping on your side is the worst anatomical posture you can adopt, fucks up your shoulder, twists your spine and gets your hips misaligned.
Face up is the only anatomically correct position, as far as I know. But it's hard, my lower back is uncomfortable when holding that position for a long time, so I roll sideways some times. I just try to spend less time sideway.
You Ron are tottally right, we are not made in the same way, someone here can do it without feeling conseguences maybe, but personally, once I have started this kind of excercise when I was 20 years old and totally shaped, and my shoulder got inflammation, over the acromion, so badly that for 2 months I had to stop any activity and was hard to sleep in bed rolling on body side.
I would say, if some of you is doing this for 20 years, don't feel free to suggest this kind of exercise to everybody, and don't say that it is bullshit.
Just did 1,000 dips today
Wellness81 in jail bruhh 1000 dip day
I've done this before
It's not dangerous if you strengthen the muscles that work when you do dips
couldn't agree more with this video.
if you must do dips, don't go that far down! shoulder injuries are life changing:(
only reason people get issues with dips is because they go past parallel
make sense. same shit witht eh knees. im fucked now. ha!
***** it's all form issues...thats why you see bodybuilders ALWAYS stressing to work on form for newbies to lifting...if you're form is perfect you won't have issues unless you're trying to push too much weight...if you're having issues with bodyweight workouts....then your form is crap and doing to much or...you already injured it previously and you're just stressing a injured site.
John King Exactly!
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really?
***** no...don't go past parallel for anything i haven't seen a movement in doing so would provide better results...
Subscribed! You are my new go-to fitness guy. I love the positive attitude, clean professional videos, and the God Bless you at the end :D Going to be watching more of your videos Ron, thanks for the tips.
Thanks for subscribing and welcome to the channel!!!
Me too! I'm still gonna do dips though. LOL
LOL I said the same thing and this is the first comment. Very clear explanation
yea dude unlike a lot of ppl I appreciate the professionalism that a lot of guys on here don't give u so it's nice to see once in a while I jus subbed as well
Thank you for not just showing me that its not good but an alternative. most of the time i see post and they say dont do this dont do that but never show an alternative and really explain it. Thank you. My favorite machine is the "cables"
So why not continue doing dips but limiting the bottom end range of motion instead of completely eliminating the exercise
In order to fully develop the muscle it is important to get a full range of motion; otherwise the muscle will develop strength in a partial range of motion and there will be a weakness in the muscle in the range of motion that you are not training and it will be susceptible to injury. God bless you, Ron
+Ron Williams Hey Ron I can appreciate the perspective on the dangerous aspect of dips. For those of us that have grown up with gymnastics, the bodyweight dip is a movement that we're unwilling to forfeit, unfortunately. But a lot of what we do would also be considered unsustainable over the long term.
exactly, I think when you are a beginner, do not go all the way down, but as you get stronger and more advance as an athlete, is ok ok to go lower, but little by little. is just like squats. you don't go all the way down as a beginner, you have to work yourself to that point when your joint and muscles are ready
The problem with this being a solution is if you can't get a full range of motion with the exercise that you are performing then why do it at all? It would be better to do an exercise that will work the triceps in a full range of motion without jeopardizing the shoulder joint. God bless you, Ron Williams
+Ron Williams if the goal is to train the triceps, then you're right. Many athletes need strong, mobile shoulders. For them, training active shoulder flexibility along with strength through the entire range of motion is valuable. For bodybuilding, it may not be appropriate. Gymnasts further develop the dip motion by training Russian dips, as well as Bulgarian ring dips.
weird. Been doing dips at the end of everyone of my workouts for the last three years and haven't had one shoulder problem yet. Be cautious of any one that tells you not to do a compound movement.
ive done lsd and cocaine while working out people say i might get a heart attack but what do they know hes just a dumb jew doctor -_-
lol
hahahaaa
You'll feel it in a few years . Keep thinking it can't happen to you
Lean into your dips and dont go all the way down. I'm glad I came here though. It told me what I had a slight intuition about in the first place. From now on I'll only do dips I lean my body into and make sure I dont go down too much
Appreciate the insight. 😤
Well, time to do a few sets of *Dips*
3:09"I'm not pushing straight forward, i'm not pulling up but i'm going owwwwwwwwwww" LMAO. But great video.
That’s at 1:20 bud
listen to this man, i have shoulder injury, a torn tendon and muscle fracture from DIPS.
Thank you! Years ago I hurt my shoulder and didn't know how it happened. it took months to recover from it. I was about to start doing this exercise again. Thank goodness I came across this video. I will use this new exercise into my routine. Peace!
Athlean X also says this, so I know this info is legit coming from Ron.
Athlean X also discourages muscle ups. He's probably opposed to all of men's gymnastics
the thing is these kind of exercises can get you hurt much easier than cable presses, but I guess if you love muscle ups then do them.
he was doing weighted dips the other video I saw him....
He doesn't discourage muscle ups he just says it's not an exercise on it's own, it's multiple exercises combined... just not the way he trains. Saying he discourages muscleups is like saying he discourages pull-ups. But he doesn't....
I train back and tris separately, not everything at one time. So I watch Athlean-X. You might be more in to watching a calisthenics guy..
damnnn I loved dips tho
Some good advice from a guy who knows what he's talking about
I always do dips when doin chest workouts and I've never had a problem
improper form on many exercises is a problem not only dips
I agree completely - we see crazy stuff in the gym. God bless you my friend, Ron Williams
So why not use this video to show how to do dips properly then? The video shows you doing an exercise with bad form and then compares it to an exercise you use good form in. I'm sorry but this isn't helpful
Yep, he is right. Injured my shoulders. Incapacitated. for months. And it hurts!! Can't even do one single push up any more. Thanks 4 warning, bro!!!!
Gymnasts are constantly in many dip variations and they seem to be doing quite well. How would you explain them?
he can't
They have adapted to becoming faalllexible someone who has no to limited experience in lifting or working out may find it much more difficult to have very moveable joints
I was a gymnast in HS. And you'd be surprised at how many of them fight tendonitis and cuff injuries constantly. Even with advanced and proliferate warm up and stretching. So no, they don't necessarily do "well". You just don't see them outside of their performances, when they're icing their shoulder or elbow for half the day.
HAHA exactly. All i have to say is this: Olympic Roman Rings Athletes.... Doing the dip motion(A ring dip) Is they're only way to get up in the rings to preform they're sport. Check out Olympic Ring Gymnastics..... now thats some seriously strong fucking guys.
How many 50 year old gymnasts do you see? how many 60 year old gymnasts do you see? Yeah thats what i thought... You dont see any of them cause they literally cant preform anymore cause of injuries and self abuse doing the same movements thousand and thousands of times.
Man this explains so much! I couldnt bench this and last week, especially last week because of a pain i was feeling in my right shoulder and i couldnt understand why. And just did dips today as well, again failing on bench epically!
THANK YOU SO MUCH MR WILLIAMS!
Don't understand all the thumbdowns. Glad you point this biomechanically incorrect movement. Thank you Ron. Keep doing what you're doing man. Subscribed.
If your form and mobility are on point you'll be fine
Ive been sayin it wrong all these years. Ron Williams the expert says pectorial and Ive been sayin pectoral. THATS what I get out of this video. btw I LOVE dips. and I go DEEP. for 38 years
I want you to do a simple test.
Get on the dip bars and do a dip stretch with your feet on the ground.
See how low you can go without pain or excess stretch in your shoulders..
When you do dips, don't go any lower than this.
For most people, a good rule of thumb is, don't go lower than your upper arm being parallel with the ground. And keep your shoulders packed and back, arms no more than 45 degrees.
You can improve your shoulder mobility by doing dip stretches regularly.
It's a journey, not a destination.
Hannibal For King would say otherwise lol
Agreed.
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Hannibal for King wont be able to reach above his head when hes 60 years old cause his shoulders gunna be so fucked. This guy isnt teaching you how to stop getting injuries its how to prevent them from years of abuse on your joints and tendons. if you stopped doing dibs now it wouldnt matter to your life or mobility till much older is his point.
I'd say just don't go dep on the dips stop half way & explode up
That's what I thought too and there are not too many body wright tricep excercises
that exactly what i was thinking while was demonstrating
agreed. cut the motion in half. better yet when you go up dont explode fast, just go slow. and never extend the elbow joint out to a straightarm, thats dangerous, leave a little bent at the elbows. all heavy bodyweight exercises and weightlifting motions are best done slowly if you want to reduce the risk of injury to your body. they say it doesnt target the fast twitch muscle as well when you go slow, but ive never really noticed a difference in strength gains by going slow instead of fast. when you do explosive movements with heavyweights the risk of a torn ligament or muscle rises significantly.
I agree... I wonder how much stretching he does or any other form of movements other than traditional weight lifting because my shoulders don't roll forward like that. My guess would be bad form, muscle imbalances or over active /under active muscle groups that compromise movement. Just my take on it
A lot of great info, he is warning about the possibility of injuring yourself while doing Dips, and offers an alternative. This is a great video...
The Rock does dips, and he looks great. So I’m going to do dips too.
The rock also probably has a nice amount of HGH injections from a top doctor. That heals any injuries or pain. The rest of us don’t have access. Excessive Dips f’d my shoulders. Wish I listened to this guy earlier. Moderation may be ok, but I am staying away from them for a long time.
I am assuming you are also young. This man is old, natty, and looks great. Longevity is key bro. If you do them just listen to your body well to not regret anything. Injuries =quickest way to lose muscle
@@maxmartin9026 natty lol.
Unfortunatelly, I saw this video too late. Two years ago I got partial rupture of supraspinatus tendon by doing exactly what Ron described with dips. Just felt the pain in my left shoulder and that was it, couldn move my arm for couple of months. Thanks Ron on great video!!!
Your form was incorrect. Dips are a great exercise when done correctly. Far better than cables.
@@JustinDAMusic So what in your opinion is the way to avoid that?
best advise ever.
I have heart problem doing dip. it extended heart muscle and muscle around it.
once i had extremely nervous, sweating palm, slur speaking in normal situation like doing public speaking, confrontation with people ( i do not normally have it before) ....
and my oriental doctor detected it. He fixed it with herbal.
I was sick growing up all the time so my body might be sensitive than normal people. other might not have it, but this advise should be taken seriously.
i am 45 and when i am at the gym, or at santa monica beach, people gather around and watch me exercise. Are you a gymnast is the question i got a lot from young people?
I don't know who Ron williams is and I don't know why this came up but that is a load of bullshit. I am 30 years old and i started training when I was about 16. Pushups, pullups and DIPS were my bread and butter exercises. I did these 100s of times everyday. I have been doing them all the time and I still don't them. I do them weighted too. You are sending the wrong message to the young ones. What about the calisthenics athletes who do dips on a regularly basis? The greats like zef zakavieli, hannibal, adam raw and frank medrano. They do dips. They don't look injured to me. The great bodybuilders will tell you that dips are the upper body squat and do them. Serious strength athletes and powerlifters swear by dips. If you can't handle your own bodyweight, you have no business playing with weights. To anybody watching this guy's video, please do not take it seriously. Warm up before a workout, do the exercie properly with good form (learn from a coach or do some research) , make sure you stretch after your workout and give enough time for your body to recover.
And he's a world class bodybuilder. No one cares that you've been working out since you were 16.
+The Mac Blast He's a world class bodybuilder saying that dips are dangerous.. LOLLLL
Push ups, Pull-ups and Dips (bar and bench) are the foundation of any workout routine, or should be! You got guys who can bench 300 pounds but struggle to do 10 strict pull ups or 10 dips! Fucking sad really
+slicksouthpaw yeah it's pathetic. I also see young guys at the gym, flexing in front of the mirror, doing cable curls but then they use the assistance machine to do pullups.
Exactly. Dips dips dips, for chest and triceps. Cables are useless.
I'm not going to stop doing them. They are easy and feel great!
so is paid pussy
+Cortez Van gaurd you're the man
+Cortez Van gaurd Fuckin epic Lil Niggah😂
もちむらもち just spreading facts
Easy and feel great now maybe even 10 or 20 years from now. when you are 40 50 or 60 though you will look back at your dumbass self and say damn i cant even reach above my head to grab something but im sure glad i was able to do dips as a kid with no pain!!
This man definitely knows his stuff
i call bullshit, ATHLEAN-X recommended dips and he is defenitely more advanced in this matter than you sir.
I wish I would have seen this 2 years ago. I slowly ruined my right rotator cuff over time and found out, way too late, it was from going too deep doing weighted dips with the belt. it hobbled me for 6 months and still bothers me 2 years later. he's telling the truth.
That's why you stick your chest out and don't go lower than 90degrees. And if you go heavy, do that at the very beginning of your workout.
Yes......I too had gone beyond 90 deg. ..and finally ended up having injuring my right soldier joint😭😭😭I wish I would have seen d video 5 yrs ago.....tat man is telling d fact bro
matt22blaster i tore my right rotator cuff also but it was due to dropping down quickly showing off! Wont make That mistake again!
So I should never do dips again?
You got my vote. Great attitude to help the multitudes. God be with you too brother.
Thank you so much, I appreciate you for being with us. God bless you, Ron
and going forward OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH .... stretch OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH and again OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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If you've stretched out, warmed up that muscle group and are religious about your form then dips are 100% just fine. I'm a new visitor to your channel and watched your video about your outlook on synthol comments by finding them to be backhanded compliments. My very first reaction to seeing you on a thumbnail or the first time I saw you on one of your videos, I was totally and completely convinced that you most definitely used synthol.
And at this point, for me, the jury is still out. You have some extremely telltale signs of synthol use and I'm having a really hard time looking beyond that, especially when you took the time to address these accusations in another video.
THAT BEING SAID!! I have found some of your tips and information to be very helpful and overall I really enjoy your videos. You come across as a genuine dude that cares about his viewer base and passing along information to us. For that alone, you got a sub from me. I hope you take my comments as constructive criticism and curiosity rather than negative or me going in on you. I will most definitely stay tuned to you and your channel and appreciate you taking the time to open up and let us in on the knowledge you've built up over the years in bodybuilding. This type of information and analysis of specific muscle groups is rare and hard to come by. Again, thank you for what you do and best wishes to your continued success.
Hey listen I really appreciate you for being a part of the channel - again I want to say to you "thank you" for the synthol comment. To be honest I am afraid of synthol. When I was accused of it -- I researched and studied it and it is one of the scariest things I have heard of. I love my life and my health and my family and God way too much to put poison or any deadly substance in my body. I am a firm believer that my body is the temple of the Lord, so it is my responsibility to take care of it. I want to encourage you to take care of yours. God bless you -- your friend, Ron Williams
The fact that you came to a conclusion about his synthol use tells me more about your brain that in does about Ron's body. I also question your ability to conduct research. This coming from a degreed chemical engineer with six years of process engineering experience
+RogueTravel damn you roughed him up intellectually brah
I question your ability to read comments.
I just have to say, holy cow. You could have flipped out on him for accusing you of abusing substances vs your work ethic, called him a liar and just talked down on him in a big way. Instead you chose to be extremely respectful while defending yourself without attacking his character instead. Props and respect to that, very rare in this day and age.
i noticed some gyms have a really shitty dip setup. the bars even tho they can adjust are still to wide. when the bars are narrow they are better and bring in less chance of pain.
Its pectoral... not pectorial
yea whatever man
Good for you, go and tell the world!
mrStraker888 Its the first step in working out he doesnt know what the fuck he is talking about
Cryat ok man do you want a happy face on your notepad Einstein ?
Urban people love trying to sound smarter than they are
I just broke my collarbone while doing dips.
thanks men, I been doing dips since prison and now I been feeling a bad soar on my shoulders. but now I will definitely take your pro tips to good use, thanks God bless
My shoulders are fine and I do them every chest day....sure if you go deep deep it puts a strain but imma keep doing it since my boo loves my tri
Can dips damage your elbows??
yo he may small or whatever but he is right. i do my dips correctly amd my left shoulder is not permanently fucked but on its way
I pretty much ended lifting for me by over doing it on dips. Now, major shoulder problems and it's been over a year, a real bummer
don't tell me where and when I can put tobacco in my mouth
I can dip whenever I want
Lol what a horrible video.
Dips are one of the best exercises that simply cant be replaced with some shitty isolation movement. Yeah if you wanna just pump your chest do cable flies but if you want to gain actual strength you just cannot replace dips.
thanks I will still do dips as I don't want to sound like I'm straining for a shit using cables
HAHAH i just rewatched the video and now I cant unsee him trying to take a shit
+Absolute Madman it's the face xpresion at 340 that does it for me it's like everyone around can smell the shit
thanks ron williams . u helped me overcoming joint pain
but isn't hard work supposed to hurt... especially to us guys who don't have your genetics???
There is a saying "No pain - no gain" I want you to know that there is a difference in the pain that causes injury and the pain that occurs through the intensity of your workout -- they are distinctly different. The pain that causes injury is more than just a burning sensation that stops soon after the set is completed and the following day leaves a little soreness in the muscle. The pain against the joints that creates an aching that some would take Tylenol or an anti-inflammatory is an injury pain -- those types of pains regardless of your genetics we all need to stay away from. God bless you my friend and keep training safe, Ron Williams
+Ron Williams Thank you for your kind words and inspiring message. I never expected a famous youtuber to reply back- WOW. I understand what you are saying- good pain and bad pain. I am training with a weighted vest right now and doing cardio- it's working for me. I will train harder tommorow because of your message but will not injure myself or go to failure.
Take Care Ron.😀
+Ron Williams wow automatic subscribe for you my friend you are such a great man I can tell God bless you I hope all the viewers see you as a role model
What a Guy hahahahahah your comment hahahahahah you made my day - 'scrawny fukk'
Im 247 pounds and 176cm
I Really wish you a nice day. 😊
+What a Guy greetings your majesty
Totally agree with this guy, did weighted dips after I was fatigued and as a result messed up my collar bone pretty bad.
Ben Helmuth then why the fuck are you doing weighted dips
If it hurts, go higher. If everything hurts, dump the exercise. Another point is this: most dip stations are fixed so you cannot move the handles closer or farther away so there's a good chance they won't fit your build. You cannot change your grip width like you would with the bench press. But if you do dips at home you can use chairs (for example) and pick and choose how far apart your hands will be.
cables fuck up your rotor cuffs at the start and end of the excercise
I totally agree
pure fuckery
how?
Same pressure under weight as dips if you go too heavy.
もちむらもち fuck off
3:22 me when the poop is real hard
seems like a nice respectable guy. keep up the good work.
I have a question for you then Ronald, how about gymnasts? Olympic level athletes.
einarabelc5 they all did dips. But you already knew that
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his head is darker than the rest of his body and i can't ignore it hahahaa looks hilarious
I guess there is something that sun does to your skin.
Da fuck that's all you noticed out of this whole vid and you're not even correct on that - Stop smoking ganja brah
Back down and off that man head. The video wasn't about his complexion. But just in case you are somewhere where there is absolutely no African Americans and no sun, allow me to explain to you what has happened. Ron was always covered from the neck down in the summer! Which means that his face was always exposed to the sun allowing his face to get a tan while his body did not. And another thing to consider, are medical factors . So I encourage you to ask questions before you laugh. Better yet, make comments that on topics that someone else could find medically offensive.
Thats just for the sake of fun guys... Tell me you guys didn't notice it?????
+Asad Ali being a Black Man in Amerikkka is hard enough man. It ain't funny or nothing to be made light of.
If this guy is insisting the issue is the dip bar forcing your shoulders to move in a certain position then just use rings which are harder and more beneficiary.
I fucked my shuolders up doing dips it took me months to get well again... I used to train hard years ago when I was in Iraq... like we didn't have weighs in the desert... we used to do anything to stay strong... but I realized that this fucking dip exercise was very dangerous...
Williams Arevalo vag.
You did them wrong
100% agree. I did dips a lot. Awesome feeling and effectiveness. I had to stop after getting an every day big pain in my left shoulder. Doctor diagnosed a calcifying tendonitis. In my first years at the gym I was doing the cable crossover as the coach told me. It did also work very well for low pecs and I should have stuck to it. No dips anymore.
William i agree I've injured both my shoulders. My surgeon and physical therapist strongly urged me to stay away from dips.
Thank 4 sharing my brotha. Much appreciated.
If you keep your head up and have a proud chest....you will protect your shoulders. Try to not go beyond 90° and have your feet straight below, even clench a DB between your feet. Just have a straight line and you will have a perfext exercuse to target the tricep. I have zero pain from from this approach.
What this gentleman is showing with the lean forward...is hitting the chest more than the triceps. Hence why the shoulder is rotating more than it should and put in a vulnerable position. He's also going beyond 90° with the elbow.
If you avoid the lean forward and dropping beyond 90° you should be fine. Strict form and Total control, full body engagement will ensure every rep is consistent/safe.
Dangerous?? Driving a car and flying in airplanes are dangerous lol
Chances of getting injuries doing dips are bigger than chances of car/airplane accident,
+manyasospapa maybe not car but airplane yeah
Maybe you're doing the steering wheel exercise wrong... just saying.
*****
you should take driving lessons.
never heard of anyone dieing from doing a dip
OOOOOH lower pectorial
That's true. Do not attempt to do dips without proper knowledge. This man is right that if you lean too forward it is bad for your shoulder joint if you haven't prepared for it, plus you need strong stabilizer muscles.
so i stretch "UUUUUH"
Wtf dips is the most fundemental exercise for moves like muscle up and further the planche in calisthenics and it is not dangerous i think overhead press or stuff like that is more dangerous
And we don t do for our chest physique or smth we do it for strength
Sarp P
I love that part at the end "God bless you"
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