@@temprary580 Arthur himself represented fans of the first movie, not only in that scene, but for this entire movie... It's like they made it a musical (and a shitty one at that) BECAUSE they knew people would hate it.
I was laughing my ass off at that. “Please stop singing, just talk. Please” haha Todd Philips probably had no idea how much audiences would resonate with that
Or maybe, it wasn't mean to be a trilogy or part of an extended universe. I don't think they expected to make a sequel when the first one came out. But since everyone overrated it, they felt compelled to make a sequel.
I said the same thing, that both Todd Phillips and Joaquin Phoenix didn't want do the sequel, and was force by WB, they made this movie bad so they won't have to do a third movie
THis just shows those people doesn't know movie, just some hypocrite that pretends they know the art of movie making, because Lady Gaga and J.Pheonix was there
So is any else brought up the fact that Jeremy review was 11 minutes and 2 seconds long and the stand Ovation was supposed to be 11 minutes coincidence I don't think so😮😂😂😂😂😂
well nobody wanted it but the producers in hollywood. They saw dollar signs and thought they could print more money with a sequel. A sequel we didnt ask for, no one wanted to make, and was never supposed to exist. So im glad it sucked. I am seeing a trend of "forced sequels" being really really bad, and it feels like an intentional attempt to kill them. (matrix 4 sticks out in my mind... but were getting a 5th one so maybe not)
@@StevenTyler94 most people dont like honest sentiment and in a way, i interpret that scene is a nod, to that fact- theres still all the emotion of arthur, having to let go, of the last bit of delusion and coming to terms with reality, but the please stop singing comment is definitely also designed, as being a meta fourth wall break- he knew, by that point, it was trying some viewers patience and whether we like it, or not, a flick like deadpool vs wolverine shows how the sarcastic fourth wall breaks device, which personally negates any immersion, is very much in vogue- but im not hating on either the fans of that movie, or the movie itself, you dig what you dig and i happen to love folie a deux
I thought this guy was canceled for having the audacity to talk about “am I racist” !!!! I don’t care what he says anymore! LadyGoGo is the real HarLEE now! Slay qween! if you don’t like Joker2, then you’re probably just an istphobes who hates musicals and lives in your parents basement 🤡 we live in a society
@@XInoAricinNiloI read the spoilers and i'm HAPPY i did! It saved me from wasting an evening, sitting in a theater, witnessing this trainwreck. The first movie was Amazing and didn't need a sequel. This 'thing' demonstrates that. Quit while you're ahead, basically.
the worst part of this entire movie is how arthur gets violated in arkham by the guards and that's the thing that makes him abandon the joker persona. the guards also never face any consequences for this. absolutely vile
Yes. Extremely depressing. And when they throw him in the cell, unable to move due to the abuse.. his cell mate gets killed because of him. I felt so sorry for Arthur. You could tell he was changing when Puddles spoke to Arthur in court. 😢
Agreed I also couldn't stand the guards they were so unlikeable and the way they treated Arthur and the inmates were horrible, and I also thought it was questionable that they never face any consequences for their actions
So. First and foremost, you really have to be a fan of the first joker to ever appreciate the second. Yes the second comes off as musical, but you have to remember a few things. It is music that begins the transformation of the joker in the first. In the second you see that he is medicated and heavily institutionalized, with the main guard even commenting that he is the best well behaved inmate on the east wing. So with each passing musical, the joker emerge more and more. Now please keep in mind, and the second movie tries to remind us of this. Aurthur imagined his relationship with his neighbor. Harley quinn never appeared until after author kissed his fellow inmate. After the fellow inmate is murdered later, does the illusion of Harley quinn fade. When the joker is rearrested on the stairs where he confronts Harley, about their future, is where we see the hidden mastery. Harley is only visible looking down at the police, but in the same scene looking up from the cops view, do we see that its only aurthur and a cop rushing down. Then the foreshadowing of why so serious, reveals the emotional types of the joker, going from the mentally ill joker to the psychotic joker. Played by heath in the dark knight. Cleverly and masterful hidden to well for its own good. Only a true fan of the original will enjoy the second.
I think that's kind of the point, though. This film feels like a film to torture Arthur for the bad things he's done. Yet, it also makes you feel even worse for him, like reverse psychology. And it's still an origin for the "real" Joker. And you think, "Why would anything get better from here? This is the start to even bigger issues for the inmates with corruption and violence."
The best portrayal of the joker to me is in Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker. Joker pulls a gun out on a goon and goes to fire it. A flag with the word BANG! comes out. All of them laugh and then he fires again and it shoots into the goon's chest, killing him. I feel that is the essence of Joker. He has a plan, you just dont know it.
I guess that's why I like heath ledgers joker because he ASKS "do I look like a guy with a plan?"...not a proclamation but a question...all the while everything he did was planned out and methodical.
Nah. The true Joker would have used his flower after the fail gun and throw acid to the guy's face saying something cheese like "I bet you didn't SEE that coming HAHAAHAHAH!!"
@@sandman1133to be fair, Nolan Joker was too smart. He always had a plan against Batman no matter what. Joker is not that type of character. Riddler is.
@@chris_t2020 Actually Batman himself has said that The Joker is his most dangerous villain because he is so intelligent. Batman's statement about the Joker as written by Alex Ross From Bruce Wayne's private files in the Batcomputer: "My greatest enemy began as a petty thief known as the Red Hood. The first time we fought he fell into a vat of chemical waste in a playing card factory in Gotham City. The Chemicals altered the thief's features, exaggerating his face, turning his skin white, his lips red and his hair green. Believing that this accident was an omen, he embraced his appearance and the irony of it's happening in a playing card factory. The Red Hood became The Joker. He has adopted a number of "jokes" as lethal weapons- including hand-buzzers that electrocute, lapel flowers that squirt acid, and far more. I'm convinced that, while everything about the Joker - his murderous instincts, his maniacal laughter, his maddening behavior - points to his being insane, he is the farthest thing from it. The Joker's greatest prank has been to pull the wool over society's eyes all these years, masquerading as a madman so as to be thrown into an asylum and treated with kid gloves when apprehended, to be "rehabilitated" rather than punished in a penitentiary. It's a strategy worthy of a high-stakes player, so it's apt that he'd be named for a playing card." The Joker is not and has never been a dumb character. Not until Todd Philips made him one.
@@AL-Lee-G nah. Batman should be afraid of Joker because of how unpredictable he is. Ras Al Ghul or Bane are people to come up with plans to destroy Batman.
The meta stuff around this is so interesting. Phillips didn't initially want to do a sequel, but because it was the most financially successful R-rated film of all time, the immediately greenlit a sequel and even created "DC Label Black" for more R-rated DC movies. Then this came out and now the articles are all saying "DC Label Black is dead." They are willing to build, and destroy, entire cinematic universes around the success and failure of a *single movie*. Says a lot about the state of the film industry
Phoenix actually said while promoting the first film that he enjoyed the role so much that he’s thought about possibly doing another if they came up with something really interesting. I’m convinced he came back just for a check since this is what we got
Bless you for this review. I was such a huge fan of the first movie and this sequel crushed me. You hit the nail on the head on every point you made especially that the "real Joker" moment makes no sense.
@@ayyy9701 In Batman: The Animated Series (where Harley Quinn was introduced) and in the Arkham games (I think the Arkham games expanded on this first, please someone correct me if I'm wrong), Dr. Harleen Quinnzel was assigned the Joker as her first case at Arkham Asylum as a psychologist. Over the course of their sessions, Harleen began to become infatuated with the Joker, to the point of actually falling madly in love with him. She then proceeded to help him escape, donned her own persona as his lover/sidekick Harley Quinn, and wreaked havoc with him in Gotham. Over the course of BTAS, he begins to abuse her more and more severely and by the end of the series, she's begun to develop a strong love/hate relationship with him and even gets to the point where she gets pretty much cured of her own madness (until a series of unfortunate events unfold throughout the episode, where she ends up pretty much right where she began mentally.) Forgive me if I got a few of the details off, it's been a while since I watched BTAS or played the Arkham games. Suffice to say, the original plot is MUCH more appealing and tragic than this crapshow of a movie is. Edit: @bliz974zard had a much more concise comment explaining, I didn't see the comment till I finished writing mine lol
You guys know how bad things in life just 'HAPPEN' sometimes, for seemingly no reason whatsoever, as if it's the universe's way of reminding you that not everything will work out? That was this movie. Sometimes bad things just happen and all we can do is accept it and move on. What a dissappointment :(
@@musayibghani3986 No it wasnt, it didnt deliver on any level, its box office demonstrates this and the film maker wanted to humiliate his audience, he got what he wanted, the critics hate it and the audience hates it.
@@GaradrielS Gotham is in New Jersey. So it wouldn't be New York anyway Edit: I just thought of this. You have to really appreciate the Penguin show- they made sure the driver's license says New Jersey.
@@Amadeus_Ait would be if Arthur’s killing of Murray Franklin and others happened in NY state. Perhaps Gotham is in NJ in this reality, but the crimes were committed in NY. Arthur is just being housed at Arkham Asylum due to it being the nearest most suitable facility? I dunno. Just spitballing.
First movie: There was never an Arthur Fleck, only the Joker. Second movie: There was never a Joker, only a damaged dude named Arthur Fleck A eleven-minute-standing ovation.
First movie did feel like the joker sequences could be unreliable narrator stuff. 2nd movie seems to spoil that it actually was except the tv broadcast.
I work at the same private school I attended when I was a teenager and we have a legacy of teachers staying here for 30 40 and sometimes 50 years. Well, my biology teacher left last year after 42 years, and we clapped for him during our leaver's ceremony for about 3 minutes. And that is a long time He obviously deserved it, but 11 minutes sounds unhinged.
Jeremy, I’ve been watching a bunch of movie review channels and while there are some good channels you have mastered the art of the review. Entertaining, genuine, humorous, honest, insightful and informative. Really love what you are doing and it’s evident why you have such a great following compared with others.
Wasn't great tho. The movies it apes from, Taxi Driver and King of Comedy, are great movies. Joker was just a cheap "homage" in comparison. Watch those movies instead.
Mask of the Phantasm Joker is being strangled to death, and he reaches for a weapon. He can choose something effective, or a salami. He chooses the salami because it's funnier. To me, that is the best Joker moment. It defines his world view, his rules, his entire character in one simple weapon selection.
For me it’s in Arkham knight (still mark hamill) and the joker is living a power fantasy but then is shown how life after he is gone is better for everyone and he truly was forgotten and that scares the joker more than anything. The joker isn’t some interesting statement on mental illness he’s just some narcissistic asshole who makes everyone around them miserable and after he’s gone the world is so much better
@@Ironcorgi2 hmm... that's not what I took from that scene - I took that he wouldn't get the CREDIT for the insanity/destruction (and that Batman would). That he would be forgotten was the issue, not the guilt of making the world worse.
And the filmmakers wanted it to stand alone, but Zaslov and WB were like "Fuck you, here's a 2 with 8 zeroes behind it! Make a sequel!" and Philips and Co were scheming the entire time. $20 mil each to Phillips and Phoenix and $12 mil to Gaga to make an epic troll of a film
Its funny, from a financial standpoint, they will lose, probably well over $100 million when all is done. That will bother them. Instead of making a billion dollars like the first film, they will lose $100 plus million dollars.
@@JakeinlivincolorI don’t understand what’s in any way admirable or funny about this. People are dying to make good movies, work their whole lives to get to the point where they can dictate terms with studios, and to get there and willingly (supposedly) shit the bed? Makes no sense to me, Phoenix will be fine, but Phillips just torpedoed his career Taika style.
> 11 minute standing ovation > This review is 11 minutes > "Clap for 11 minutes and tell me your hands don't fall asleep" I guess I can replay this video and try to clap the entire time
“Leftism is the worship of the self, the elevation of the self. That’s the only coherent kind of thread that connects all of what we call leftism and wokeism and everything […]. It is like a religious worship. […] You might point out that the worship of the self, well that’s also the definition of satanism, to which I would respond, well yes, exactly. Maybe that’s just a clearer way of putting it.” - Matt Walsh, on relying on only facts and logic
@@BeerMetal58 I swear to god the only people using the word “woke” are obnoxious right wing political pundits and hacks who don’t know what the word actually means, but instead they just want to throw out some useless buzzwords that have lost all meaning in order to find an unoriginal way to criticize the opposite end of the political spectrum
This movie felt like a response to the people who didn’t understand the first movie and thought it was celebrating violence and demonizing mental health issues
Joker 2 got an 11 minute standing ovation... This video is 11 minutes.... Clap this entire video, just to see how long a 11 minute standing ovation takes...
@@desordenpublicoI still think it’s the greatest performance of all-time and I’ve seen a LOT of movies. It feels like a psychopath killed Heath, put his make-up on, and showed up on set going batshit crazy.
So glad you made it to 2 million subscribers bro! Been watching you since my first son was born and he's 11 now. Thank you for the years of honest entertainment and sincerity.
“If you’ve been listening to the show for any length of time you know that I’m in favor of banning porn outright. I would like to ban all of it.” - Matt Walsh, on legislating morality, something theocrats do. “I really believe that we need to find some way to legally stop these kinds of people from voting.” - Matt Walsh, on limiting democratic participation, something fascists do. But definitely not a theocratic fascist.
@@BeerMetal58are we supposed to all disagree with Matt Walsh? I and many agree porn is legitimate brain rot, destroying young men in particular & corrupts the soul it’s not normal to spank your weenier watching two ppl go at it in a video bro. Get off that shit
Fun trivia: Todd Phillips had a colonoscopy and asked his gastroenterologist to film the procedure. He then took the footage and released it as this movie
For me, I guess this means that the end of the Joker story was him standing on top of the cop car with his blood smile. It’s a shame…. Cause that movie was so good.
But that's the thing...even if it ends there. It's a great fucking story. It doesn't need to ever go any further than that and you can imagine so many things after that! The first one was perfect, I'm dreading this one
@@felixorozco4055 I know fans will pick the first one apart but to actually feel for Arthur and then feel some of that vindication as he slipped into complete madness is not always something that can be done in a movie! I really enjoyed it and was hoping the would make something even a fraction of great (especially since they had years to do it), but alas. I really don't think I'm going to watch the second one
@@doublesnowseven I hear you. I thought The Last of Us (the original game) had a perfect ending because it left so much room for imagination. But people can never seem to let original excellence stand alone. And sequels to excellent movies or games are often crappy cash-grabs which don't respect the original.
it was, joker 2019 was meant to be a one and done, but wb being wb greenlit the sequel, the director of joker said he had no plans for a sequel and it was just dropped in his lap
@@VOLDGAMER1 But like... Why not just try to make a good film? Why tarnish your own name and the crew's name just to spite the producers and studios? Todd Phillips essentially destroyed his reputation and undid everything he built in the first move. All so he can say "Ha ha!" at the studio execs?
Naah, this is a severe case of overestimation. Both Todd Phillips and the Watchowskis got exposed before, this is not a case of them making a shitty movie on purpose, nope, it's just them dropping the ball yet again. There's so many examples of horrendous products that look so bad and awkward, you wonder if they are parodies, but I'm sure most of the time these "artists" really assume they are making something good, they just missed the mark completely. Here it comes the audience with their wild interpretations, Matrix 4 is not a abomination, but a genius self parody! (from the same creator of Jupiter Ascending and Cloud Atlas)
@LOBricksAndSecrets You are giving these directors too much credit. They are doing their best to make these movies good, they just don't have the talent or skill to do so. No way Matrix 4/Joker2 were intentionally bad, no director would want to ruin their reputation out of spite
You guys completely miss the point on why Batman exists...Gotham is a broken corrupt city. Arkham specifically has regularly being perceived as a place where the staff don't treat the patients very well. Guess what? people of power usually get away with unspeakable acts.
It does damage to the first for sure in terms of Arthur’s confidence from the end of 1 it’s nowhere to be seen here nearly as much it’s as if they completely hit a reset instead of truly continuing his story
@@JamesVideoCollection Yeah, I kinda hate that I am aware if it now 😂 Then again, Dial of Destiny was so nothing that my brain has wiped it from my own internal Indy Canon so 🤷♂️
@JamesVideoCollection I just watched it, and it didn't ruin it for me. Especially since it's clearly what it wanted to do. I'll just never watch this garbage again and always view the first one the way I did on its Thursday night premiere 5 years ago.
Huh?🤔 ...Robocop is a decent movie, but it's not THAT great. Not saying this one was worthy of 11 minutes of clapping, either. But I thoroughly enjoyed it.
To further how much it wouldn’t make sense that Arthur is killed by Heath Ledger’s Joker, this movie shows that there was a Harvey Dent practicing law in 1983 who’s injured by the courtroom explosion which would eliminate the Aaron Eckhardt Two-Face.
I posted above what's really going-on in this movie. Jeremy and many have pegged it wrong. ...But to your point: I could only WISH Aaron Eckhart's Two-Face could be eliminated from the history of cinema. Now THAT was trash. 😅
This is taking place in its own universe, which was obvious in the first movie and is confirmed again here. Some guy carving up a smile on his face doesn't make him Ledger's character.
@@mahoutsuguy863yup, it was originally just a movie about mental illness in general but then they added the joker/DC to it to actually be able to market it to someone
@divine_masculine69 strongly disagree. Im going to pretend it never happened so joker is still great to me. Hollywood just can't have any self discipline. They can't even make a true joker sequel they add fucking lady gaga put licensed songs in it and kill arthur at the end cause his ass aint even joker. And you say it's worth seeing? Sir your taste in movies is horrible
Matrix 2 was bad on purpose to kill the saga (you can see a literal middle finger in the background in one of the scenes), maybe it was like that with Joker.
I know a lot of people think the title refers to Joker and Harley but I think it’s supposed to refer to the two Jokers. This was very ehhhhh but I think they wanted it to be deep.
WB: "Hello! I like money!" Me: "The first Joker movie was a low-budget mega hit, but a standalone story. What convinced you to make a sequel?" WB: "MONEY!"
@0LuiSSousa0 true, but only because of how much damage The Last Jedi caused so they tried to fix it only to make it worse. Episode 7 had a lot of potential that was ruined by 8.
I remember seeing a fan art piece of a little boy with joker mouth scars looking up in awe at Arthur’s joker at the end of the first movie. That picture had more lore and world building than this entire movie unfortunately.
@@Loch1210 last act before he confesses, what movie did you see? that was very blatant lmao it was after the guards confront Arthur for talking shit about them publicly
It’s crazy that we could’ve had a full on r rated Joker film where we could’ve saw him just going on rampages and causing all sorts of chaos, and this is the best they could come up with 🤣
That’s what I thought was gonna happen after the bomb exploded and all the jokers followers with Harley was gonna destroy the city then we get the dance scene of them down the stairs that’s not even in the movie..
Here's a twist they should have gone with. Zazie Beats was Harley all along and had been monitoring him and psychoanalyzing him while talking to his mother about his mental health through the first movie. And all their 'dates' which was the unreliable narrator was really her analyzing him. When they were in the hospital together, she WAS there, but was there to talk to his mom and find out more about him and how she's been behind the scenes the entire first movie taking advantage of him to analyze him while writing it all down, in order to get in good at Arkham with her colleagues, like the Harley in the comic wanted to do. So her being at the trial to give testimony would have been a BIG twist there that would have recontextualized the first film again in a clever way. And Lady Gaga whom all the trailers made us think was Harley, was really that world's Punchline. The big superfan of the Joker whom got close to him and started manipulating him and her name "Lee Quinzel" wasn't her real name, but one she'd taken and created off the name of one of the Psychologists that worked there. Sure there's a lot of ways you could complicate it more and maybe that makes it too easy, but I think it would have landed a lot better imho.
That's a great idea! Especially considering how nice and civil this fan base is. They definitely wouldn't freak out over a white character being played by a biracial actress. They'd be totally cool with that, since they're very level headed and understanding.
Come on now. Don't pretend that your side of the isle doesn't go absolutely mental with characters being race swapped. That's actually the criticism you don't understand or are ignoring. The ratchet only turns one way.
@@Largentina. yeah its gonna be just like when the last movie came out and the fan base shot up all the theaters as the media claimed they would. I walked through blood and bones in the aisles of my Cinemark trying to find my brother.
With the fact the standing ovation was 11 minutes and so is your video, would’ve been a good opportunity to point down at the time bar and say “rewind this video and clap for the entire thing”
“If it’s causing this much chaos and violence, why do you insist on continuing to do it?” - Matt Walsh on being gay and having a night out, after the Club Q mass shooting. "Expecting your kid to learn 'social skills' from public school is like sending him to live with chimpanzees so that he'll learn proper table manners." - Matt Walsh, on public schooling. "So what I'm saying is that the problem is not per se teenage pregnancy, it's unwed pregnancy. That's the problem in society." - Matt Walsh on when impregnating teenage girls should be considered a problem. “But it is, in fact, true that you have to make people hurt. And I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But holding signs and yelling loudly will not make anyone hurt. - Matt Walsh, on peaceful protest
My favorite Joker is, by far, Heath Ledger. He had genuinely funny moments (often at hugely inappropriate times), and even moments of clarity, but there was also a menacing darkness about him. You were never really sure which one you would get as the movie progressed. I doubt I'll bother to see Folie à Deux. I can't support that kind of treatment of fans. Thank you for the review! You took one for the team and I (and my wallet) appreciate that.
As soon as that courtroom massacre song WASN'T revealed to have really happened in a twist of perspective, all enthusiasm for the rest of the movie left my body. I then resigned myself to sitting through another hour of musical numbers, fully aware they would amount to nothing. In that sense, the movie met my expectations.
Lady Gaga is actually not a bad actress. Not Oscar level but not bad. The first Joker film didn't have Batman and it killed. The musical part though? What were they smoking? Anybody could have told them it was too risky. Just plain dumb.
@thisguy7976 right but we didn't know when we saw it that it was a movie about mental illness and wasn't a joker film. Plus it wasn't a musical. How many people bought tickets to avengers AND hairspray? Like people was killing me for saying the obvious. I don't want to see no musical. And lady gaga can be great but no comic book movie fan is drawn by her name. They got us and the twilight fan base mixed up.
Same here. I have a lot of coworkers and friends that are only into this stuff now because it’s mainstream acting like I’m crazy cause I said I don’t want nothing to do with this movie.
You know a Heath Ledger Joker origin story about a soldier/CIA agent in the War on Terror slowly becoming disillusioned until he loses his unit in a bombing and decides to take the war back to America would actually work.
Watch this video while standing up and clapping through the entire thing. It will put into perspective how absurd the standing ovation was that Joker 2 got at the Venice film festival.
@@The_Jazziest_Coffee I’m honestly baffled by the backlash, I wonder if everyone just wanted “comic book joker”, when in my mind there’s really no relation between the 2 characters. I just took it for what it was. I don’t even view it as a true sequel, almost like a companion piece. Definitely not a supervillain story… just some deranged lunatic who hopelessly falls in love. A pain I can relate to sadly.
@@thischannelisdeleted i think if you view it in that lens, that might be one of the best ways to approach and enjoy this movie to me though, i was more or less hoping for a joker and harley quinn story, so it does feel deeply disappointing they never did much with that (in terms of substance)
The movie does NOT want the audience to believe Joker was another personality in Arthur’s head… the characters are trying to force that upon him. He rejects that because it wasn’t the case and he realizes Joker represents something to people that he isn’t and doesn’t want to be.
Jokers aside, congrats on the 2 million subscribers. You're a legend both for helping us save our many from bad movies, share laughs and tears for good movies and all in, a golden-hearted dude, no alcohol required 😂. Stay awesome dude and your videos are appreciated 🙏🏾🌟
Yep, Jeremy sounds like a genuine dude. I usually undermine the "youtuber", "streamer", "influencer" nonsense, but Jeremy is alright. The only time I got pissed with his "content" happened when he praised Suicide Squad, considered Force Awakens a better movie than freaking Fury Road, lol but oh well, shit happens
I'm usually not much of a conspiracy theorist, but part of me genuinely believes that this movie was intentionally sabotaged because the "wrong" type of people enjoyed the first movie and hollywood doesn't like that.
Maybe Phillips didn’t want a sequel, the studios demanded one so he just threw something together and gave them what they wanted without caring about it like the first one?
" 'King Of Comedy' meets 'Taxi Driver' " was my observation also. The cartoon at the beginning was the most fun and colorful part of the stupid dreary J2. Good point that you make about how the Black lady character who was murdered at the end of the 2019 came back to life in the stupid un-necessary sequel. Thank you for your commentary.
I was laughing as the video ended, thinking about the Young Frankenstein “doo doo!” earlier in review, then you played it again right as I was thinking about it😂❤ god bless ya Jeremy
I saw this one coming months ago. I'm glad I avoided all the hoopla. Heath Ledger's Joker created the standard that couldn't be ignored, so they tried to embrace it, sacrificing their own storyline.
Yes. Todd Phillips was trolling from the beginning. _"I literally described to Joaquin at one point in those three months as like, 'Look at this as a way to sneak a real movie in the studio system under the guise of a comic book film.' [...] It was literally like, 'Let's make a real movie with a real budget and we'll call it f***ing Joker'. That's what it was."_ _- Todd Phillips_
@@Rusty84CV It's a real quote. He was responding to claims people were making that it might encourage violence in an interview with The Wrap. The full quote is: "I literally described to Joaquin at one point in those three months as like, 'Look at this as a way to sneak a real movie in the studio system under the guise of a comic book film.' *_It wasn't, 'We want to glorify this behavior'._* It was literally like, 'Let's make a real movie with a real budget and we'll call it f***ing Joker'. That's what it was."
11 minutes? For this? That completely devalues standing ovations at film festivals. That's a shame for the filmmakers that might have actually deserved one.
Spoiler alert If the movie would have ended with the part where they are rescuing Joker and trying to take him somewhere else in their car I think the movie could have been redeemable. It's the best scene in the movie and could have transformed the movie into a good position for a Joker 3 or just give a great ending where the next film could be more traditional Joker meets the streets in Gotham with his fans or minions. It was my favorite scene in the movie.
My favorite part was at the end when Harley starts singing again and Aurther says "please no more songs" I felt that.
@@temprary580 Arthur himself represented fans of the first movie, not only in that scene, but for this entire movie... It's like they made it a musical (and a shitty one at that) BECAUSE they knew people would hate it.
I was laughing my ass off at that. “Please stop singing, just talk. Please” haha Todd Philips probably had no idea how much audiences would resonate with that
I felt that comment.
@@y.michelleelam3771 and I felt inside u too 😌😏
@@Heartland.Productionsngl, that line felt super intentional. Almost like it was the director talking to us.
I’m convinced Todd Phillips made this film to ensure the franchise dies and he isn’t asked to continue this saga.
The ole resurrection defence
Or maybe, it wasn't mean to be a trilogy or part of an extended universe. I don't think they expected to make a sequel when the first one came out. But since everyone overrated it, they felt compelled to make a sequel.
I'm sure he would use that excuse instead of just admitting he made a bad movie
Todd Phillips shouldn't be allowed to do a sequel ever.
I said the same thing, that both Todd Phillips and Joaquin Phoenix didn't want do the sequel, and was force by WB, they made this movie bad so they won't have to do a third movie
The 11 minute standing ovation was because the audience was elated the movie was finally over.
naw its cus they made this movie specificly to shit on the fans of the first movie - cus the critis hate the fans
Imagine clapping for anything for 11 minutes. I'd be 30 seconds in and looking around like "cool, we done now?"
@@Spewbacca entering the 10 minute mark, me: are we still clapping y'all...
THis just shows those people doesn't know movie, just some hypocrite that pretends they know the art of movie making, because Lady Gaga and J.Pheonix was there
So is any else brought up the fact that Jeremy review was 11 minutes and 2 seconds long and the stand Ovation was supposed to be 11 minutes coincidence I don't think so😮😂😂😂😂😂
I saw it on a bootleg at home and walked out of my own house
That was awesome 😂
Did you go back to your house lol?
@@Chris-gw2xg Been living on the streets ever since. Guess I'm the real joker here
LMAOOO
I work in a theater. People walk out
From what I can tell.....this movie not only didn't need to exist, it didn't want to.
well nobody wanted it but the producers in hollywood. They saw dollar signs and thought they could print more money with a sequel. A sequel we didnt ask for, no one wanted to make, and was never supposed to exist. So im glad it sucked. I am seeing a trend of "forced sequels" being really really bad, and it feels like an intentional attempt to kill them. (matrix 4 sticks out in my mind... but were getting a 5th one so maybe not)
@@zymo55765th matrix??What could the plot even be?
@@Juanpopspacks I hear it's about a talking baby doing kung fu while trying to win the daycare's basketball tournament.
Existential movies are tight!
Spot on!
When Arthur said, "I don't wanna sing anymore" that was the first time the theatre genuinely clapped.
That didn't happen
@@bracksteryo mama
That scene was heartbreaking.
@@StevenTyler94 most people dont like honest sentiment and in a way, i interpret that scene is a nod, to that fact- theres still all the emotion of arthur, having to let go, of the last bit of delusion and coming to terms with reality, but the please stop singing comment is definitely also designed, as being a meta fourth wall break- he knew, by that point, it was trying some viewers patience and whether we like it, or not, a flick like deadpool vs wolverine shows how the sarcastic fourth wall breaks device, which personally negates any immersion, is very much in vogue- but im not hating on either the fans of that movie, or the movie itself, you dig what you dig and i happen to love folie a deux
@@fabianhammer2864I never thought a fourth wall break costs you the quality of an entire film but that's a nice theory.
I used to think that my life was a tragedy, but now i realize it's a fckn' musical.
-Arthur 2024
What's the difference?
I CALL FOR A REDUE.
@@i-yell-a-lot4906 A FALL REDUE?
The “applause” sign broke and it took them exactly 11 minutes to realize it.
“If you haven’t seen it yet..” Jeremy, you know damn well I’m not watching this 😂
Came here to say the same thing haha!
I thought this guy was canceled for having the audacity to talk about “am I racist” !!!!
I don’t care what he says anymore! LadyGoGo is the real HarLEE now! Slay qween!
if you don’t like Joker2, then you’re probably just an istphobes who hates musicals and lives in your parents basement
🤡 we live in a society
why
@@XInoAricinNiloI read the spoilers and i'm HAPPY i did! It saved me from wasting an evening, sitting in a theater, witnessing this trainwreck. The first movie was Amazing and didn't need a sequel. This 'thing' demonstrates that. Quit while you're ahead, basically.
@@yasyas618 you sound like a little bitch who needs a good ol' smacking.
Joker: Fully a Douche
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I like it!
Haha! Well played, sir. You win the Internet today.
Are you 55 years old
@@reviewer0418 Salty much? Go cry somewhere else
the worst part of this entire movie is how arthur gets violated in arkham by the guards and that's the thing that makes him abandon the joker persona. the guards also never face any consequences for this. absolutely vile
DC Comics media try not to have a guy get graped challenge (impossible)
Yes. Extremely depressing. And when they throw him in the cell, unable to move due to the abuse.. his cell mate gets killed because of him. I felt so sorry for Arthur. You could tell he was changing when Puddles spoke to Arthur in court. 😢
Agreed I also couldn't stand the guards they were so unlikeable and the way they treated Arthur and the inmates were horrible, and I also thought it was questionable that they never face any consequences for their actions
So. First and foremost, you really have to be a fan of the first joker to ever appreciate the second. Yes the second comes off as musical, but you have to remember a few things. It is music that begins the transformation of the joker in the first.
In the second you see that he is medicated and heavily institutionalized, with the main guard even commenting that he is the best well behaved inmate on the east wing. So with each passing musical, the joker emerge more and more.
Now please keep in mind, and the second movie tries to remind us of this. Aurthur imagined his relationship with his neighbor. Harley quinn never appeared until after author kissed his fellow inmate.
After the fellow inmate is murdered later, does the illusion of Harley quinn fade.
When the joker is rearrested on the stairs where he confronts Harley, about their future, is where we see the hidden mastery. Harley is only visible looking down at the police, but in the same scene looking up from the cops view, do we see that its only aurthur and a cop rushing down. Then the foreshadowing of why so serious, reveals the emotional types of the joker, going from the mentally ill joker to the psychotic joker. Played by heath in the dark knight.
Cleverly and masterful hidden to well for its own good. Only a true fan of the original will enjoy the second.
I think that's kind of the point, though. This film feels like a film to torture Arthur for the bad things he's done. Yet, it also makes you feel even worse for him, like reverse psychology. And it's still an origin for the "real" Joker. And you think, "Why would anything get better from here? This is the start to even bigger issues for the inmates with corruption and violence."
The best portrayal of the joker to me is in Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker. Joker pulls a gun out on a goon and goes to fire it. A flag with the word BANG! comes out. All of them laugh and then he fires again and it shoots into the goon's chest, killing him. I feel that is the essence of Joker. He has a plan, you just dont know it.
I guess that's why I like heath ledgers joker because he ASKS "do I look like a guy with a plan?"...not a proclamation but a question...all the while everything he did was planned out and methodical.
Nah. The true Joker would have used his flower after the fail gun and throw acid to the guy's face saying something cheese like "I bet you didn't SEE that coming HAHAAHAHAH!!"
@@sandman1133to be fair, Nolan Joker was too smart. He always had a plan against Batman no matter what. Joker is not that type of character. Riddler is.
@@chris_t2020 Actually Batman himself has said that The Joker is his most dangerous villain because he is so intelligent. Batman's statement about the Joker as written by Alex Ross
From Bruce Wayne's private files in the Batcomputer: "My greatest enemy began as a petty thief known as the Red Hood. The first time we fought he fell into a vat of chemical waste in a playing card factory in Gotham City. The Chemicals altered the thief's features, exaggerating his face, turning his skin white, his lips red and his hair green.
Believing that this accident was an omen, he embraced his appearance and the irony of it's happening in a playing card factory. The Red Hood became The Joker.
He has adopted a number of "jokes" as lethal weapons- including hand-buzzers that electrocute, lapel flowers that squirt acid, and far more.
I'm convinced that, while everything about the Joker - his murderous instincts, his maniacal laughter, his maddening behavior - points to his being insane, he is the farthest thing from it. The Joker's greatest prank has been to pull the wool over society's eyes all these years, masquerading as a madman so as to be thrown into an asylum and treated with kid gloves when apprehended, to be "rehabilitated" rather than punished in a penitentiary. It's a strategy worthy of a high-stakes player, so it's apt that he'd be named for a playing card."
The Joker is not and has never been a dumb character. Not until Todd Philips made him one.
@@AL-Lee-G nah. Batman should be afraid of Joker because of how unpredictable he is. Ras Al Ghul or Bane are people to come up with plans to destroy Batman.
The meta stuff around this is so interesting. Phillips didn't initially want to do a sequel, but because it was the most financially successful R-rated film of all time, the immediately greenlit a sequel and even created "DC Label Black" for more R-rated DC movies. Then this came out and now the articles are all saying "DC Label Black is dead." They are willing to build, and destroy, entire cinematic universes around the success and failure of a *single movie*. Says a lot about the state of the film industry
You think DC know they have other R-rated characters? Sure as shit doesn't seem like it.
Phoenix actually said while promoting the first film that he enjoyed the role so much that he’s thought about possibly doing another if they came up with something really interesting.
I’m convinced he came back just for a check since this is what we got
WB clearly never heard the phrase don't put all your eggs in one basket
Lol reminds me of the new mummy movie that was trying to kick off a movie universe. Hahahhahahh
Remember the Dark Universe? It was birthed and killed in the span of one movie.
How is an 11 minute review more entertaining than a $200 million Joker movie?
Cinema is just a money laundering scheme now.
I don't know. I thought the movie made a few laughs and asked some interesting questions.
Try clapping for that long!
Quick someone get this man a movie contract!
I gave a standing ovation for the entire length of this video and afterwards my hands were definitely asleep.
The movie cost the same as Dune 2. Let that shit sink in.
And 20 million more than Top Gun Maverick.
The same amount as Deadpool and Wolverine
Someone pocketed 90 million dollars of the budget.
Where did it even go towards? There was zero CGI in the film.
Idk about that
Bless you for this review. I was such a huge fan of the first movie and this sequel crushed me. You hit the nail on the head on every point you made especially that the "real Joker" moment makes no sense.
The fact that Harley is already crazy pretty much disregards why the Joker/Harley story was so iconic. What a complete waste of a movie
Yup, if they had stuck more closely it would've been far more interesting.
what's the original story?
@@ayyy9701
She was his therapist. Then his "charm" drove her to join him
@@ayyy9701 In Batman: The Animated Series (where Harley Quinn was introduced) and in the Arkham games (I think the Arkham games expanded on this first, please someone correct me if I'm wrong), Dr. Harleen Quinnzel was assigned the Joker as her first case at Arkham Asylum as a psychologist. Over the course of their sessions, Harleen began to become infatuated with the Joker, to the point of actually falling madly in love with him. She then proceeded to help him escape, donned her own persona as his lover/sidekick Harley Quinn, and wreaked havoc with him in Gotham. Over the course of BTAS, he begins to abuse her more and more severely and by the end of the series, she's begun to develop a strong love/hate relationship with him and even gets to the point where she gets pretty much cured of her own madness (until a series of unfortunate events unfold throughout the episode, where she ends up pretty much right where she began mentally.) Forgive me if I got a few of the details off, it's been a while since I watched BTAS or played the Arkham games. Suffice to say, the original plot is MUCH more appealing and tragic than this crapshow of a movie is.
Edit: @bliz974zard had a much more concise comment explaining, I didn't see the comment till I finished writing mine lol
@@ayyy9701Believe or not her origin is from a kids cartoon of The New Adventures of Batman episode “Mad Love”
Jeremy questioning the absurdity of the movie's 11 minutes standing ovation mixed with The fact that this video is 11 minutes... Just amazing!
It's all connected
By design I'm sure
clap from start to finish lmao
@@shotbyhenny no thanks, i like my hands
You guys know how bad things in life just 'HAPPEN' sometimes, for seemingly no reason whatsoever, as if it's the universe's way of reminding you that not everything will work out? That was this movie. Sometimes bad things just happen and all we can do is accept it and move on. What a dissappointment :(
It's incredible how the first one did so well and was praised so much only for this 2nd one to absolutely destroy everything the 1st one did.
Honestly, this seems to be every DCEU film. Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Shazam also had bad sequels.
That's life
Let's pray The Batman part 2 breaks the chain.
@sonicsnake44
Bittersweet
@@kagenotatsumakiI think it will…loving the penguin
Went to the theater to purchase my Joker ticket. Last second, bought The Wild Robot. After hearing all the reviews, No regrets.
Lol this was me too
No regrets....they dont work, no regrets now....they only hurt....lol (song lyrics) ;)
You missed out, this was a really good sequel
@@musayibghani3986 No it wasnt, it didnt deliver on any level, its box office demonstrates this and the film maker wanted to humiliate his audience, he got what he wanted, the critics hate it and the audience hates it.
@@musayibghani3986no it wasn’t it sucked
Did you guys notice on 2 occasions, they referred the case as “Arthur Fleck vs the state of New York”. They didn’t even care to insert Gotham. 😅
😂
In the movie's defence (I cannot believe I am writing this) Gotham is a city
@@GaradrielS Gotham is in New Jersey. So it wouldn't be New York anyway
Edit: I just thought of this. You have to really appreciate the Penguin show- they made sure the driver's license says New Jersey.
Oh that is one huge mistake 😂
@@Amadeus_Ait would be if Arthur’s killing of Murray Franklin and others happened in NY state. Perhaps Gotham is in NJ in this reality, but the crimes were committed in NY. Arthur is just being housed at Arkham Asylum due to it being the nearest most suitable facility? I dunno. Just spitballing.
First movie: There was never an Arthur Fleck, only the Joker.
Second movie: There was never a Joker, only a damaged dude named Arthur Fleck
A eleven-minute-standing ovation.
I understand nothing
@@viksaggu9085Hollywood just giving each others a massive circle jerk.
First movie did feel like the joker sequences could be unreliable narrator stuff. 2nd movie seems to spoil that it actually was except the tv broadcast.
Yep, these rich, pretentious, and sanctimonious people that live to smell their own fats don't live in the real world.
I don't understand the standing ovations now.
I work at the same private school I attended when I was a teenager and we have a legacy of teachers staying here for 30 40 and sometimes 50 years. Well, my biology teacher left last year after 42 years, and we clapped for him during our leaver's ceremony for about 3 minutes. And that is a long time He obviously deserved it, but 11 minutes sounds unhinged.
Jeff Lynne got an 11 minute standing ovation at the ELO concert I was at last night. That was deserved.
I doubt the terrified crowds that had to stand there clapping for Joseph Stalin had to clap that long.
@@robotrix11 minutes bro? You sat there and clapped for 11 minutes? I highly doubt that.
@@justinmadrid8712 The person did not sit. It was a STANDING ovation.
@@CalvinNoire Sorry, stand. I highly doubt you stood for 11 minutes lmao. Clapping. Come on. That’s like Soviet Russia stuff.
Jeremy, I’ve been watching a bunch of movie review channels and while there are some good channels you have mastered the art of the review.
Entertaining, genuine, humorous, honest, insightful and informative.
Really love what you are doing and it’s evident why you have such a great following compared with others.
Joker was a great film, but it did NOT need a sequel
Agreed
Bingo.
This man speaks facts. Now we wait for those who are not fluent in it. (Y'all know they're coming.)
Wasn't great tho. The movies it apes from, Taxi Driver and King of Comedy, are great movies. Joker was just a cheap "homage" in comparison. Watch those movies instead.
It wasn't great, though, unfortunately. Shot well and well acted, sure, but it was basically a Scorsese cover song. Wholly unoriginal.
Mask of the Phantasm Joker is being strangled to death, and he reaches for a weapon. He can choose something effective, or a salami. He chooses the salami because it's funnier.
To me, that is the best Joker moment. It defines his world view, his rules, his entire character in one simple weapon selection.
That’s why TAS remains, to this day, the _definitive_ Batman.
For me it’s in Arkham knight (still mark hamill) and the joker is living a power fantasy but then is shown how life after he is gone is better for everyone and he truly was forgotten and that scares the joker more than anything. The joker isn’t some interesting statement on mental illness he’s just some narcissistic asshole who makes everyone around them miserable and after he’s gone the world is so much better
@@Ironcorgi2 hmm... that's not what I took from that scene - I took that he wouldn't get the CREDIT for the insanity/destruction (and that Batman would). That he would be forgotten was the issue, not the guilt of making the world worse.
This is what happens when Hollywood doesn’t allow a standalone movie to stand alone.
I really, really wish they would!
And the filmmakers wanted it to stand alone, but Zaslov and WB were like "Fuck you, here's a 2 with 8 zeroes behind it! Make a sequel!" and Philips and Co were scheming the entire time. $20 mil each to Phillips and Phoenix and $12 mil to Gaga to make an epic troll of a film
Its funny, from a financial standpoint, they will lose, probably well over $100 million when all is done. That will bother them. Instead of making a billion dollars like the first film, they will lose $100 plus million dollars.
@@JakeinlivincolorI don’t understand what’s in any way admirable or funny about this. People are dying to make good movies, work their whole lives to get to the point where they can dictate terms with studios, and to get there and willingly (supposedly) shit the bed? Makes no sense to me, Phoenix will be fine, but Phillips just torpedoed his career Taika style.
@@namikpaul7505he got 20 million to do this. None sympathy
This must have been his humiliation ritual to get into a diddy party ....
To bad he didn't know about the indictment
> 11 minute standing ovation
> This review is 11 minutes
> "Clap for 11 minutes and tell me your hands don't fall asleep"
I guess I can replay this video and try to clap the entire time
Don't. You'll hurt your hands.
Clap your cheeks
That standing ovation was probably like the ones for Stalin where you couldn't be the first one to stop.
“Leftism is the worship of the self, the elevation of the self. That’s the only coherent kind of thread that connects all of what we call leftism and wokeism and everything […]. It is like a religious worship. […] You might point out that the worship of the self, well that’s also the definition of satanism, to which I would respond, well yes, exactly. Maybe that’s just a clearer way of putting it.” - Matt Walsh, on relying on only facts and logic
@@BeerMetal58 Shut up bot
@@BeerMetal58stop pushing Matt Walsh’s agenda on me beermetal
@@BeerMetal58 I swear to god the only people using the word “woke” are obnoxious right wing political pundits and hacks who don’t know what the word actually means, but instead they just want to throw out some useless buzzwords that have lost all meaning in order to find an unoriginal way to criticize the opposite end of the political spectrum
@@BeerMetal58 Lol. This putz is unironically quoting Matt Walsh
My favourite part was when the guy who kills Arthur at the end turns around and says, “I’m the one who jokes” truly inspirational stuff
Crazy to find your comment here
He ain’t dead
Hahaha super funny comment; funniest joke I’ve ever seen HAAHAHAHHAA
@Ltdangle904 Pretty sure he is. I doubt a guy who got his organs shanked in Gotham and then goes motionless on the floor with no help will live.
@@Ltdangle904 this aint marvel lol😆
This movie felt like a response to the people who didn’t understand the first movie and thought it was celebrating violence and demonizing mental health issues
Bad movies are bad movies, but it's so entertaining seeing Jeremy in roasting mode
Bad movies create the best TH-cam conversations
Especially a movie you know he wanted to do be good
Joker 2 got an 11 minute standing ovation... This video is 11 minutes.... Clap this entire video, just to see how long a 11 minute standing ovation takes...
By who?
An 11 minute standing ovation at a film festival is basically like throwing tomatoes
@@RychuAlolanIdk but I loved this movie
Lol
@@thischannelisdeletedHAHA. The real joke 😂
Heath Ledger’s joker is the ultimate embodiment of the villain. RIP Heath.
Still miss him.
Dude was intense as the joker …no one could’ve topped it not even joaquin , he was alright at the beginning
My ranking:
1 Heath
2 Jack
3 Joaquin
@@desordenpublico agreed his first film was great. Still Heath was so menacing and truly crazy. What a great talent.
@@desordenpublicoI still think it’s the greatest performance of all-time and I’ve seen a LOT of movies. It feels like a psychopath killed Heath, put his make-up on, and showed up on set going batshit crazy.
I am just going to say that this video is as long as the standing ovation
So glad you made it to 2 million subscribers bro! Been watching you since my first son was born and he's 11 now. Thank you for the years of honest entertainment and sincerity.
🥺 wow thats honestly amazing
“If you’ve been listening to the show for any length of time you know that I’m in favor of banning porn outright. I would like to ban all of it.” - Matt Walsh, on legislating morality, something theocrats do.
“I really believe that we need to find some way to legally stop these kinds of people from voting.” - Matt Walsh, on limiting democratic participation, something fascists do. But definitely not a theocratic fascist.
@@BeerMetal58 absolutely based 🗿
@@BeerMetal58are we supposed to all disagree with Matt Walsh? I and many agree porn is legitimate brain rot, destroying young men in particular & corrupts the soul it’s not normal to spank your weenier watching two ppl go at it in a video bro. Get off that shit
@@BeerMetal58 why the fuck is walsh on here lmao
everything i learned about the bloke is against my will
Fun trivia: Todd Phillips had a colonoscopy and asked his gastroenterologist to film the procedure. He then took the footage and released it as this movie
😂🤣
Not true a colonoscopy would at least have some twists and turns
Worst movie ever? Best colonoscopy ever?
@@getyourgeekonnetwork8904 loool
@@getyourgeekonnetwork8904 OP made me smile, yours made me laugh!
For me, I guess this means that the end of the Joker story was him standing on top of the cop car with his blood smile. It’s a shame…. Cause that movie was so good.
But that's the thing...even if it ends there. It's a great fucking story. It doesn't need to ever go any further than that and you can imagine so many things after that!
The first one was perfect, I'm dreading this one
@@doublesnowsevenimo, the first one is not perfect but it's way better than this one
@@felixorozco4055 I know fans will pick the first one apart but to actually feel for Arthur and then feel some of that vindication as he slipped into complete madness is not always something that can be done in a movie! I really enjoyed it and was hoping the would make something even a fraction of great (especially since they had years to do it), but alas. I really don't think I'm going to watch the second one
@@doublesnowseven I hear you. I thought The Last of Us (the original game) had a perfect ending because it left so much room for imagination. But people can never seem to let original excellence stand alone. And sequels to excellent movies or games are often crappy cash-grabs which don't respect the original.
I clapped throughout this whole video and it was draining..... hey whaddya know, 11 minutes.
This was more worthy of applause than the movie.
Maybe it was a Matrix 4 situation?
"We are making this with or without you"
"Fine. I'll make it, but you won't like it"
it was, joker 2019 was meant to be a one and done, but wb being wb greenlit the sequel, the director of joker said he had no plans for a sequel and it was just dropped in his lap
@@VOLDGAMER1 But like... Why not just try to make a good film? Why tarnish your own name and the crew's name just to spite the producers and studios? Todd Phillips essentially destroyed his reputation and undid everything he built in the first move. All so he can say "Ha ha!" at the studio execs?
@@LeedleLee457
Yes, saying "ha" is worth everything
Naah, this is a severe case of overestimation. Both Todd Phillips and the Watchowskis got exposed before, this is not a case of them making a shitty movie on purpose, nope, it's just them dropping the ball yet again. There's so many examples of horrendous products that look so bad and awkward, you wonder if they are parodies, but I'm sure most of the time these "artists" really assume they are making something good, they just missed the mark completely. Here it comes the audience with their wild interpretations, Matrix 4 is not a abomination, but a genius self parody! (from the same creator of Jupiter Ascending and Cloud Atlas)
@LOBricksAndSecrets You are giving these directors too much credit. They are doing their best to make these movies good, they just don't have the talent or skill to do so. No way Matrix 4/Joker2 were intentionally bad, no director would want to ruin their reputation out of spite
First one made a butt load of money and the second one will lose a butt load of money…it balanced out!
As all things should be...
It's not about the money, it's about sending a message..
@@colmbfc The message that some movies should never get a sequel.
"Do you wanna know how I got these scars? Well, 20 years ago there was this guy named Arthur Fleck..."
Little Wayne becoming Batman, Alfred why didn't you tell me about Arthur Fleck , get out of my house!!!
The violation scene and it's impunity is probably the power fantasy of the studio towards the fans of the first film. Take that as you will.
pretty sure thats it
You guys completely miss the point on why Batman exists...Gotham is a broken corrupt city. Arkham specifically has regularly being perceived as a place where the staff don't treat the patients very well. Guess what? people of power usually get away with unspeakable acts.
"Ridiculous!" - Norm
@dk9024 it's Gotham, what did you expect...
"Look what we did to your {hero}". Yeah, checks out.
This definitely sounds like one of those rare sequels that actually DOES kinda ruin the original
It does damage to the first for sure in terms of Arthur’s confidence from the end of 1 it’s nowhere to be seen here nearly as much it’s as if they completely hit a reset instead of truly continuing his story
Unless you don't watch the sequel. Then the original is preserved.
@@JamesVideoCollection Yeah, I kinda hate that I am aware if it now 😂 Then again, Dial of Destiny was so nothing that my brain has wiped it from my own internal Indy Canon so 🤷♂️
Is it that rare anymore? I mean, Star Wars had a whole sequel trilogy to ruin the originals.
@JamesVideoCollection I just watched it, and it didn't ruin it for me. Especially since it's clearly what it wanted to do. I'll just never watch this garbage again and always view the first one the way I did on its Thursday night premiere 5 years ago.
Robocop is the only movie I can think of that deserves 11 minutes of standing ovation and claps.
What about a double bill of Robocop and Terminator 2?
Huh?🤔 ...Robocop is a decent movie, but it's not THAT great. Not saying this one was worthy of 11 minutes of clapping, either. But I thoroughly enjoyed it.
@@damonappel I liked the one with nuke the best but I'll never rewatch it - don't need anymore memories ruined
@@CastorRabbitRobocop 2 is still a lot of fun. “Go f a refrigerator pecker-neck!”
No movie is worth an 11 minute standing ovation
Thanks for saving me soooooooooo much money with your excellent reviews.
To further how much it wouldn’t make sense that Arthur is killed by Heath Ledger’s Joker, this movie shows that there was a Harvey Dent practicing law in 1983 who’s injured by the courtroom explosion which would eliminate the Aaron Eckhardt Two-Face.
I posted above what's really going-on in this movie. Jeremy and many have pegged it wrong. ...But to your point: I could only WISH Aaron Eckhart's Two-Face could be eliminated from the history of cinema. Now THAT was trash. 😅
They were never trying to tie this to Nolan, Thomas Wayne was a dick.
batman’s gonna be fighting two-face from a senior citizen’s club💀
@@damonappelto say that Two-Face was trash is such a horrible take.
This is taking place in its own universe, which was obvious in the first movie and is confirmed again here.
Some guy carving up a smile on his face doesn't make him Ledger's character.
I’m convinced Todd Phillips actually hates The Joker as a character
Thank you
Didnt he admit he only did the first movie to slip a real movie oyr there and used the comic industry to get that movie going?
@@mahoutsuguy863I wouldn't be surprised. You could literally remove every reference from this movie.
It was pretty obvious in the 1st movie
@@mahoutsuguy863yup, it was originally just a movie about mental illness in general but then they added the joker/DC to it to actually be able to market it to someone
This is perfect now i dont have any reason to watch it.
Same here love it
the movie is still watch worthy🙄
Not really it ruins the experience left from the first one, better to just stick to only having seen the first movie@@divine_masculine69
@divine_masculine69 strongly disagree. Im going to pretend it never happened so joker is still great to me. Hollywood just can't have any self discipline. They can't even make a true joker sequel they add fucking lady gaga put licensed songs in it and kill arthur at the end cause his ass aint even joker. And you say it's worth seeing? Sir your taste in movies is horrible
yea this type of thinking is why art is dying but i get it
The fakest thing about film festivals is how everyone gives any films the standing ovation.
“If I wanted to see people fake confidence I would get tik tok or a dating app” 😂😂😂
Iconic
Jeremy said, “ stick around and save a few bucks.” ….so I did.
Thank you, Jeremy😊
Reminds me of what Patty Jenkins did with the second Woman Woman or Matrix 4. The director clearly wanted to destroy what came before it.
WW1984 was such a colossal piece of shit
Matrix 2 was bad on purpose to kill the saga (you can see a literal middle finger in the background in one of the scenes), maybe it was like that with Joker.
Star Wars sequel trilogy
I know a lot of people think the title refers to Joker and Harley but I think it’s supposed to refer to the two Jokers. This was very ehhhhh but I think they wanted it to be deep.
Thank you for saving me money and time. It is WILDLY appreciated.
WB: "Hello! I like money!"
Me: "The first Joker movie was a low-budget mega hit, but a standalone story. What convinced you to make a sequel?"
WB: "MONEY!"
"Never seen a sequel try to undo so much what the previous movie did."
......Last Jedi.
Except the Last Jedi took something stale in an interesting direction.
I would say that line applies more to The Rise of Skywalker
*rise of skywalker
I can't believe I'm saying this, but The Last Jedi is Citizen Fucking Kane compared to this plague on humanity.
@0LuiSSousa0 true, but only because of how much damage The Last Jedi caused so they tried to fix it only to make it worse. Episode 7 had a lot of potential that was ruined by 8.
At least visually Last Jedi had some good stuff, Joker 2 is just boooooring
the only review anyone needs to see. Great job!
I clapped for all 11:02 of this video.
A champ
Did it suck to do so? What are your thoughts?
Yea now let us know how that went 😂 did your hands fall asleep or not ?
Jeremy is so artistic!
@@Guy.Not_guy hnands hurtt replly latrr
I remember seeing a fan art piece of a little boy with joker mouth scars looking up in awe at Arthur’s joker at the end of the first movie. That picture had more lore and world building than this entire movie unfortunately.
u the little boy lol
Jeremy Jahns is the based crusader we didn't know we needed, and whom we probably don't deserve, so show some love.
I busted out in laughter when you gave the spoiler notice, I fully intend to save money by watching the spoiler review
I was going to watch The joker yesterday but thanks to you I picked up wild robot and it was a blast. Thanks!
Good man. That movie is amazing.
Jeremy making this video exactly 11 minutes is next level
It's 11:02 on my screen . . . ❔️
Jeremy again helping us to save some expensive movie ticket money, bless his soul.
Before I even think about watching the movie. Is the spoilers really that bad or just entertainly bad lol
Tbh when the bomb went off in the court house I thought it was gonna be Harley did a project mayhem type thing to save Arthur 😅
Can't believe they had Joker getting prison r*ped in this movie...wtf
When did that happen?
Idk what movie you saw.
@@Loch1210yeah that’s real. The guards don’t even get what they deserve for doing that.
@@Loch1210 last act before he confesses, what movie did you see? that was very blatant lmao it was after the guards confront Arthur for talking shit about them publicly
@@THEONETRUEOVERLORD So do you want it to be grounded or not?
It’s crazy that we could’ve had a full on r rated Joker film where we could’ve saw him just going on rampages and causing all sorts of chaos, and this is the best they could come up with 🤣
But that would be too close to the comics and .....we know how he feels about that
That’s what I thought was gonna happen after the bomb exploded and all the jokers followers with Harley was gonna destroy the city then we get the dance scene of them down the stairs that’s not even in the movie..
Im guessin you can't do that cause... you know, theres no batman
Exactly. Joker could have been lit for as an R film
@@timytimeerased I mean, they’re doing a great job with The Penguin show and Batman isn’t anywhere to be seen.
Here's a twist they should have gone with.
Zazie Beats was Harley all along and had been monitoring him and psychoanalyzing him while talking to his mother about his mental health through the first movie. And all their 'dates' which was the unreliable narrator was really her analyzing him. When they were in the hospital together, she WAS there, but was there to talk to his mom and find out more about him and how she's been behind the scenes the entire first movie taking advantage of him to analyze him while writing it all down, in order to get in good at Arkham with her colleagues, like the Harley in the comic wanted to do. So her being at the trial to give testimony would have been a BIG twist there that would have recontextualized the first film again in a clever way.
And Lady Gaga whom all the trailers made us think was Harley, was really that world's Punchline. The big superfan of the Joker whom got close to him and started manipulating him and her name "Lee Quinzel" wasn't her real name, but one she'd taken and created off the name of one of the Psychologists that worked there.
Sure there's a lot of ways you could complicate it more and maybe that makes it too easy, but I think it would have landed a lot better imho.
Nice! I really like that idea and how your mind works!
That's a great idea! Especially considering how nice and civil this fan base is. They definitely wouldn't freak out over a white character being played by a biracial actress. They'd be totally cool with that, since they're very level headed and understanding.
@@Largentina. Yes! Why would *anyone* have a problem with *yet another* blackwashing???? Right????
Come on now. Don't pretend that your side of the isle doesn't go absolutely mental with characters being race swapped. That's actually the criticism you don't understand or are ignoring. The ratchet only turns one way.
@@Largentina. yeah its gonna be just like when the last movie came out and the fan base shot up all the theaters as the media claimed they would. I walked through blood and bones in the aisles of my Cinemark trying to find my brother.
I thought the guy who killed Arthur acted very much the same as the one in the new Batman movie. I think they are going to tie it together
With the fact the standing ovation was 11 minutes and so is your video, would’ve been a good opportunity to point down at the time bar and say “rewind this video and clap for the entire thing”
Jeremy, you are the best reviewer. Both me and my husband trust only you with which movies to watch. Keep up the good work.
“If it’s causing this much chaos and violence, why do you insist on continuing to do it?” - Matt Walsh on being gay and having a night out, after the Club Q mass shooting. "Expecting your kid to learn 'social skills' from public school is like sending him to live with chimpanzees so that he'll learn proper table manners." - Matt Walsh, on public schooling. "So what I'm saying is that the problem is not per se teenage pregnancy, it's unwed pregnancy. That's the problem in society." - Matt Walsh on when impregnating teenage girls should be considered a problem. “But it is, in fact, true that you have to make people hurt. And I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But holding signs and yelling loudly will not make anyone hurt. - Matt Walsh, on peaceful protest
My favorite Joker is, by far, Heath Ledger. He had genuinely funny moments (often at hugely inappropriate times), and even moments of clarity, but there was also a menacing darkness about him. You were never really sure which one you would get as the movie progressed. I doubt I'll bother to see Folie à Deux. I can't support that kind of treatment of fans. Thank you for the review! You took one for the team and I (and my wallet) appreciate that.
As soon as that courtroom massacre song WASN'T revealed to have really happened in a twist of perspective, all enthusiasm for the rest of the movie left my body.
I then resigned myself to sitting through another hour of musical numbers, fully aware they would amount to nothing.
In that sense, the movie met my expectations.
The more a movie tries to "subvert expectations", the less it subverts my expectations.
@@zxyatiywariii8Lol funny isn't that?
I was on the fence and now I’ve jumped clear to the “I’m not wasting a cent on this” side…. Thanks, this man’s out here actively saving me money.
People was killing me for knowing full well that a joker film with no batman, a lady gaga lead and a MUSICAL was gunna be trash
Lady Gaga is actually not a bad actress. Not Oscar level but not bad. The first Joker film didn't have Batman and it killed. The musical part though? What were they smoking? Anybody could have told them it was too risky. Just plain dumb.
And you were ultimately vindicated.
@thisguy7976 right but we didn't know when we saw it that it was a movie about mental illness and wasn't a joker film. Plus it wasn't a musical. How many people bought tickets to avengers AND hairspray? Like people was killing me for saying the obvious. I don't want to see no musical. And lady gaga can be great but no comic book movie fan is drawn by her name. They got us and the twilight fan base mixed up.
@jennteal5265 @jennteal5265 I'm Thanos watching the sunset at the end of infinity war right now. Lol.
Same here. I have a lot of coworkers and friends that are only into this stuff now because it’s mainstream acting like I’m crazy cause I said I don’t want nothing to do with this movie.
You know a Heath Ledger Joker origin story about a soldier/CIA agent in the War on Terror slowly becoming disillusioned until he loses his unit in a bombing and decides to take the war back to America would actually work.
I’d watch that
"If I wanted to see people fake confidence - I'd get TikTok or a dating app" 👏👏👏 Hands down best shit I've heard in a long time 🤣
Thanks, was about to buy tickets, you saved me some dollars.
Watch this video while standing up and clapping through the entire thing. It will put into perspective how absurd the standing ovation was that Joker 2 got at the Venice film festival.
I think the audience gave a standing ovation because they realized the movie had ended and they didn't have to suffer through it anymore.
@@rezaimran98I loved the movie actually. Maybe a couple mins too long but other than that I thoroughly enjoyed it.
@@thischannelisdeleted i am glad for you
cuz i definitely could not, no matter how hard i deluded myself to try and enjoy this
@@The_Jazziest_Coffee I’m honestly baffled by the backlash, I wonder if everyone just wanted “comic book joker”, when in my mind there’s really no relation between the 2 characters. I just took it for what it was. I don’t even view it as a true sequel, almost like a companion piece. Definitely not a supervillain story… just some deranged lunatic who hopelessly falls in love. A pain I can relate to sadly.
@@thischannelisdeleted i think if you view it in that lens, that might be one of the best ways to approach and enjoy this movie
to me though, i was more or less hoping for a joker and harley quinn story, so it does feel deeply disappointing they never did much with that (in terms of substance)
Can't wait for the sequel, Joker: Menage à trois.
or the follow up: Joker v. Quatrewoman
Harley being the third wheel in a Joker/Batman relationship, I imagine
Usually you pay double for that kind of action cotton
@@radrobd123well played 👏
Joker, Harley, Punchline
The movie does NOT want the audience to believe Joker was another personality in Arthur’s head… the characters are trying to force that upon him. He rejects that because it wasn’t the case and he realizes Joker represents something to people that he isn’t and doesn’t want to be.
Well I guess this movie ended the debate of the best live action Joker adaptation
🎉 Heath Ledger and I wanted to be Joaquin Phoenix. Damn movie!
Yep, Nicholson wins again
You're right, fully cemented Joaquin Phoenix as the goat.
Ledger the best Joker ❤
Jared Leto yessirr.
Not one mention in the film to the death of the Waynes either and if there was any fallout there.
You already know the fallout... genuinely, are you stupid? Never heard of Batman..?
Yeah, because it's not pertinent to this story. This is a Joker story, not a Batman story.
I'm convinced Phillips just made this movie to bookend the franchise and to prevent it from being further milked in the future.
There shouldn’t be an excuse for lazy direction
@@spycheckwhile I agree if Phillips didn’t do this someone else would have, no matter what they would have made a bad sequel at least he ended it
Like Wachowski did on Matrix 4.
Just like how Chris Nolan ended Rises and Kojima with MGS4
Sure, an artistic genius who self-parody his own Scorsese from Temu. Just like the Wachowskis, all those awful movies? All parodies, of course
This video lasts exactly as long as that standing ovation. Nice touch
I feel like every movie gets a 10 min standing ovation at these things.
That's red flag number one that the studio doesn't have confidence in the film and they play to a festival for reactions
Jokers aside, congrats on the 2 million subscribers. You're a legend both for helping us save our many from bad movies, share laughs and tears for good movies and all in, a golden-hearted dude, no alcohol required 😂.
Stay awesome dude and your videos are appreciated 🙏🏾🌟
Yep, Jeremy sounds like a genuine dude. I usually undermine the "youtuber", "streamer", "influencer" nonsense, but Jeremy is alright. The only time I got pissed with his "content" happened when he praised Suicide Squad, considered Force Awakens a better movie than freaking Fury Road, lol but oh well, shit happens
Well said, both of you. 👍🏽
I'm usually not much of a conspiracy theorist, but part of me genuinely believes that this movie was intentionally sabotaged because the "wrong" type of people enjoyed the first movie and hollywood doesn't like that.
Fem in ists made this movie
Millions of idiots took the wrong message from Wolf of Wall Street, too. Maybe doublecheck your head for that tin foil.
@@JohnBrownsUnfinishedBusiness only idiot around here is you
Maybe Phillips didn’t want a sequel, the studios demanded one so he just threw something together and gave them what they wanted without caring about it like the first one?
The wrong people, you mean Heterosexual Men! 😂
i like that this vid is 11minutes. clap through the whole thing then you know how much those peoples hands hurt for that standing ovation.
The joke about Folie a Deux and Megalopolis having a paperview match was hilarious!!! I think that made this whole situation worthwhile. 🤣
When ego and arrogance lose control. The first Joker movie was already super condescending, but oh boy, you can always escalate
‘Paperview’ lmao.
Bone apple teeth, mate!
" 'King Of Comedy' meets 'Taxi Driver' " was my observation also. The cartoon at the beginning was the most fun and colorful part of the stupid dreary J2. Good point that you make about how the Black lady character who was murdered at the end of the 2019 came back to life in the stupid un-necessary sequel. Thank you for your commentary.
I was laughing as the video ended, thinking about the Young Frankenstein “doo doo!” earlier in review, then you played it again right as I was thinking about it😂❤ god bless ya Jeremy
"Joker-fully-a-dumb" That felt personal 😂
I loved it, I thought it was a masterpiece. Have a good day.
I saw this one coming months ago. I'm glad I avoided all the hoopla. Heath Ledger's Joker created the standard that couldn't be ignored, so they tried to embrace it, sacrificing their own storyline.
Yes. Todd Phillips was trolling from the beginning.
_"I literally described to Joaquin at one point in those three months as like, 'Look at this as a way to sneak a real movie in the studio system under the guise of a comic book film.' [...] It was literally like, 'Let's make a real movie with a real budget and we'll call it f***ing Joker'. That's what it was."_
_- Todd Phillips_
If this is true i'm not spending my money on any Todd Philips movie going forward
@@Tool30301that quotes been out for years. It’s true.
@Tool30301 it's a lie
@@Rusty84CV It's a real quote. He was responding to claims people were making that it might encourage violence in an interview with The Wrap.
The full quote is:
"I literally described to Joaquin at one point in those three months as like, 'Look at this as a way to sneak a real movie in the studio system under the guise of a comic book film.' *_It wasn't, 'We want to glorify this behavior'._* It was literally like, 'Let's make a real movie with a real budget and we'll call it f***ing Joker'. That's what it was."
Holy crap. I see it so clearly now. This quote explains everything, including this sequel.
11 minutes? For this? That completely devalues standing ovations at film festivals. That's a shame for the filmmakers that might have actually deserved one.
Spoiler alert
If the movie would have ended with the part where they are rescuing Joker and trying to take him somewhere else in their car I think the movie could have been redeemable. It's the best scene in the movie and could have transformed the movie into a good position for a Joker 3 or just give a great ending where the next film could be more traditional Joker meets the streets in Gotham with his fans or minions. It was my favorite scene in the movie.