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Once you got got comfortable, your mechanics were pretty much spot on, but get yourself your own rifle and set it up for you. You'll be amazed at the difference. My dad and I are same height, same weight, same build, same L.O.P.. We shoot completely different set ups. He can't even shoot my rifles.
Huge improvement for such a short time and that's awesome! The biggest piece of advice I could give is that when you break the shot, and this only applies to hunting and long range shooting NOT war or cqb, is keep the trigger pinned back and don't let go until you see where the shot landed. This keeps things more consistent through the shot and after so that you are able to do the exact same thing every time. Follow through, keeping it pinned back, helps you be repeatable and smooth every time. Note: I am not a vet but I do hunt a lot and have started shooting PRS and this piece of advice was the single biggest thing that has helped me be more consistent with every shot I break. For me, it made such a difference that I couldn't believe something so simple could help me. I'm still learning and getting better as well, but we all have to help each other out in anyway we can. Cheers bud!
Excellent job! If I were to give any advice it would be to you talking about the difference in military target engagement and Scoped, bolt rifle shooting for groups engagement. " Aim small, miss small " keep that in mind. It truly does work with an accurate rifle set up to your body. Here part of the issue was the scope position / rifle not fitting the shooter but you adapted and over come by following good instruction.
I've been watching Backfire for a while now, and I'm always impressed by your attitude and positivity and that of your wife and kids- and now another relative. Makes the channel a pleasure to watch. This episode really demonstrated the positive effect of a little humility, and a little kindness when teaching. Great stuff. Keep it up.
A good uncle and good military bearing. Thank you for your service. My grandson could shoot an AR. But his Air Force head swelled, when it came to my scoped magnum. Not so much! I can make that comment my first M16 was OD and didn't have forward assist. C Rats with a John Wayne candy bar for lunch at the range. On to S&W 38, M9, MREs and foreward assist. Tyler you reflect great credit on yourself, your unit, U.S. Army and a grateful nation. Secret is out now, Scout, Sniper, Delta, Green Beret and CSM... Top
Fascinating that when you exhale and hold briefly it actually slows the heart rate, when holding on inhale the heart rate speeds up do to the nervous system. The chest cavity expands on inhale allowing easier working of the heart muscle, the lungs fill with air that should be oxygen rich so the nervous system tells the heart ro beat faster and get the blood moving to enrich and get through the body. On exhale the heart becomes crowded and the nervous system tells it to slow down it doesn't need to work as hard on the exhale, point to remember is briefly, if the exhale is held to long and untrained the heart will start to beat faster and the nervous system will start causing issues, brain starts causing the feelings like o crap I need to breath, panic, anxiety and horrible shots all happen, just like when you shot on the inhale hold except with out the o crap panic breath please feelings. Good stuff fellows.
I have to say this is 1 of the best video's I've seen to help new or newer shooter's to be a lot more comfortable at attempting to shoot long distances. Kudos to both of you on video and to the camera/editor man. I honestly think that if I had a newer shooter I was trying to help I'd have them watch this video before hand to help calm/eas them to taking instructions as they were learning. If you ever make another video like this consider this thought as well. Anyone can shoot 100 yards decently ( like riding a bike ) but shooting long distance is like a person that does all the tricks when riding that bike it take practice to remember and to get the mind, body and spirit to work accurately together
I've been pushing myself further at that exact spot with my AR-15s lately. I've even started getting my buddies from work hooked on long distance, especially once they see me hitting a 780 yard target with just regular 55 gr 5.56 with a 14.5" barrel. Last time I went with them, I even pushed an 18" AR-15 with 2-12 scope and Sig 77gr OTM to the 1000 yard target, definitely pushing that scope and the cartridge to its limits. But it's so satisfying hearing that metal and knowing you're doing it.
You are a great teacher, a notable point is that you laid out the correct sequences in the correct relative importances. something that I really took to heart in the video of ruger and Eric C was the value of dry fire. thanks again
Great attitude throughout the process! You weren't too prideful and making excuses. I like that! I was in the Marines and am having a similar experience in the transition. I'm going on my first hunt this October.
Depending on your region, your shooting might look a lot different! I used to train mostly in prone, kneeling or seated, but hunting in the Southwest means you are more likely than not going to be shooting above a bunch of 3-4' tall scrub brush, aka shooting stick or tripod, 90% of the time unless God is smiling on you that hunt. Something to keep in mind. Good luck Marine.
Interesting piece of history on army marksmanship. Back before the world wars, the military had some fantastically accurate shooters. Training was done on bullseye style targets with an emphasis placed on accuracy, but they found soldiers had a problem with freezing up against an actual human combatant. The army switched to a silhouette style target, which helped the mental aspect of engaging the enemy but accuracy began to suffer. There have been numerous attempts to meld the two styles of shooting together over the years, but like anything else in the military, it’s had mixed results. There are a lot of things in the army’s inventory that can help but I’m not sure how many units take full advantage of them.
Great video! Always nice to see people share their knowledge! As a electrician for 35 years nothing meant more to me than having someone spend time with you to get things right. Once you do things right you gain respect. Thanks guys for your honest experience
I think the biggest rifle shooting tip is to quit "pulling" the trigger! Aim as well as you can and squeeze until it goes off. Lots of people say to let it surprise you but if you get used to your trigger you get a feel for when it will go off. Just like traditional archery create a process for your shot process. Breathing, rifle setup, and so on all the way up to the rifle going off. You'll be so much more precise and accurate. Speed shooting is an entirely different game.
Just want to say thank you for your videos sharing your knowledge. Your explanations and changing scenarios is perfect to learn from. Happy Father’s Day.
This was a great video! When I got done watching I looked to see if I needed to change. Lets say I thought when I saw the title I thought I knew all I needed to know. Well like I've before learned there are lots I need to know. Now I have some work to do. Thanks again very informitive. 67 and still learning.
Jim is an encyclopedia of knowledge. Over the past few years of watching him and Spomer, I've gone from a 2"-2.5" shooter to a Sub-Moa shooter, coincidentally with a Ruger American. The two biggest things I've noticed that made the biggest difference with me is breathing and finger control. I've also taken some of his shot placement information into consideration. I've gone from vital shots to high shoulder/neck shot. I never had a problem dropping deer but there was the occasional runner, when I was shooting for vitals. Since I've changed to the high shoulder/neck shot, I haven't had one take a step after impact. This guy knows his stuff. Listen too and take in what he says.
Any chance @Backfire will get a scope cam? It would be great to see the "wobble" or the shot and all the little things that we could analyze from that view!
Unfortunately the only scope brand I've run into that offers a wide selection of models with adequate eye relief is Leupold. I've struggled for years using a standard LOP rifle with a big optic (I have less than ideal vision). Only solution I've seen for me is to shorten the LOP by 3/4". That does feel a bit weird at first but it's worked out for me. My natural LOP is pretty avg, around 13" but I have to go 12.5" if I'm loaded up heavy in winter camo and 12.75 to 13 at most if I'm wearing lighter clothing
@ 17:30 - eye relief and reticle got me into Swampfox optics. The precision rifle scopes are so impressive. Not Nightforce good, but better than Vortex and Leupold for eye relief and good light capture.
Really excellent video. I have watched tons of your gun reviews, but this content was exceptional, especially using equipment that we all can afford and have access to. Do you do any courses in long range shooting for the public?
Great tips on using the ballistics software. I will never forget what one of my college professors told us when it came to solving an equation. GIGO, garbage in garage out.
I paused at 29:10. I ain’t there but until this point, sounds like the eye relief is the biggest factor 🤔. I could be wrong I’m just watching and listening. Can’t properly fix it at the range but it can be done. Let’s watch the remaining part of the video. Play
Jim you guys must be getting a different Ruger than we are in Aussie, because here they are classed as a cheap and nasty class F i went through 2 of them and neither did any better than 1" regardless of ammo, so yep that could be me, but others i have personally seen were the same with decent shooters, I really think Ruger does the same as we do with our beers, export the crap and keep the good stuff for our own consumption 🤣🤣 great video love your work.
wish I saw this video a couple years ago when I started on my long range shooting journey. SOLID information and advice, would have saved me hundreds of rounds.
Good points. Theres more feedback on corrective techniques with the light rifle. If you can do it with a light rifle, it will be easier with a heavier one.
I always tell people to squeeze the trigger straight back with the pad of your finger not the knuckle. I used to shoot hand gun metallic silhouette. With a handgun if you don’t have perfect trigger pull you will miss by 10 feet at 200 meters.lol😊
I guess I take for granted how much of these techniques I got from simply shooting my entire life! Learning to shoot starlings with my scoped BB gun as a 5 year old on up to shooting iron sighted 10/22s and eventually ARs and hunting rifles. Each scope or sighting system is a bit different whether or not you're shooting USPSA or 3gun or just trying to hit a rock at 800 yards to beat your friends in competition. All this shooting over time and you just get better. There are a lot of little things I do to shoot well that I don't even think about until watching a video like this.
Another awesome show Jim ‼️ Just want to mention something I do and maybe Tyler will get into doing a little smithing for himself one day and with his Uncle Jim's help 🤙 I also breathe down but I also time "the wobble" (my heartbeat); and I can do it very effectively because I do my own trigger work. I don't have any aftermarket triggers, I just fine tune with factory units a little at a time and dry fire until I've got it. Most everything works out to be about a pound / pound and a half, most of the time.
Thank you. I love the video. 76 year old guy here. Farthest so far 400. Do you ever change stocks? It seems like you shoot whatever the rifle comes with. The Ruger American is the price range for this old guy. Thanks again.
I will tell you that the Marine corps has very good marksmanship program but with that being said I find most people don’t pay attention and continue to do it the way they were taught by their dad or grand dad. The people that listen to the rules usually become excellent shots. The proof is the people who never touched a gun usually become experts very quickly.
Besides more eye relief in scopes i would like to see more adjustable stocks like the Savage acufit stock. Not everyone has a 14.25" length of pull. Especially prone.
Two different spec loadings, same case dimentions, one has a slightly higher pressure spec. Both are way under the pressure that modern firearms in good condition can handle.
One concept that I learned as a pilot was _density altitude,_ which is a combination of actual altitude, barometric pressure, temperature, and humidity. Do you use all of these factors in your calculations? As for *wind,* we correct for the amount of *steady* wind plus half of the amount of the *gusts.*
My Remington 700 ADL STAINLESS STEEL 30-06 very accurate I can shoot it at 500 yards 1/2 inches ground and it Was cross wide at 4 mph wind 💨 but I got to know 1 long range rifle. My problem is I’m on open field and I would like to get a elk hunt in the mountains ⛰️ and I need to practice with different environments but I’m feeling good about it my setup is $550 30-06 new $400 rifle and a vortex 4x12x40 tactical scope it doesn’t have parallax adjustment but I use Hornady app and it’s getting me on target 🎯 and $150 scope!! I don’t have any issues with my setup!! My rifle has a 24 inch barrel
Jim as far as the ruger american killers go I bought 2 of the Ruger american gen 2's in the predator configuration in 6mm arc the exact same guns those guys were shooting in the beginning of this video. I also bought 4 Howa mini action combo guns also in 6mm arc (they came with a niko sterling 4x12 scopes. The rugers are accurate and look good imo. The howa's shoot just as well and have a better trigger and are significantly lighter. On the gen 2's I have arken optics on they are the LP4. The Ruger was more expensive without a scope than the Howa was with a scope.The Howa is imo a Ruger killer. For the pencil thin barrel on the Howa's none of them has had a point of impact shift more than any one of the Rugers even though the Rugers while being fluted still have a heavier barrel,and I want to say I bought these guns to give to nieces and nephews and one thing I will say is I have seen grown men not shoot a breaked rifle well let alone kids
Great vid! @34.07(ish) it looks like his left thumb is off the bag and he is exerting some side-pressure into the stock. But I'm old, and can't find my glasses... Back in the last century, I'd lightly preload the bipod (I said lightly) and doing so freed me from unconsciously wanting to steady the stock with my left hand and just work the bag. Just a thought. No charge today. And you get what you pay for...
Why you wouldn't choose a scope mount that gives you the proper eye relief is beyond my comprehension. I thought that step came even before leveling the scope to the gun.
Try using rings that are not so bulky. 6 screw rings for a 223 is overkill. Try some 4 screw rings, and you will get more adjustment to get the proper eye relief.
WRT the concept of a Ruger American "Killer"... I think the phrasing is silly (the Ruger American has contemporaries and competition but they can all exist in the same space!) But have you looked into the more affordable Savage 110s? They're famously accurate out of the box. The new 110 Trail Hunter Lite has most of the modern features folks tend to like and those are selling for ~$550-600. They do NOT have an adjustable comb height or length of pull, though.
The only thing I noticed was his trigger pull, using the crease of his finger rather than the meat of his index, pulling with the crease tends to pull right on trigger squeeze, where using the meat will help ensure a straight trigger pull
Regardless of moving from firing from firing position to firing position even in the military you have to zero your rifle at 100mtrs and you need to get a group under 2 inches at 100mtrs and on an APWT range (annual personal weapons test) you engage targets from 100mtrs to 600mtrs (targets fall when hit) but unless you are getting a zero of under 2 inches at 100mtrs your going to have trouble hitting anything at 600mtrs.
So im noticing he has his finger what seems like really far in almost like he is trying to shoot with the crease of his finger wich would pull the the shot slightly in my experience but i could be wrong could just be camera angle
Finger placement is wrong cause he had the trigger in the crease rather than on the pad of the finger. Also when he pulled the trigger, he would release the trigger right aways. Squeeze and hold. Its a bolt action. Your looking to shoot slow and smooth not fast.
Looked like he was punching the trigger about half the time,follow thru! Also trigger finger placement on the trigger changed,some time his finger wrapped around the trigger other times he used more of the tip of his finger.
body position, like being straight behind the rifle, matter to both recoil management and shot placement to a lesser degree. Especially if a follow up shot is needed. If you suffer from bipod hop and not being able to watch impacts, you probably have a body position issue. To be really fair, the fundamentals of marksmanship all matter. But the services don't focus on them (not looking at you Marines) as much as they used to.
How about a test to see how many MOA people can shoot, offhand at 50 or 100 yards? It has different challenges to shooting prone or off a bench at 600 yards.
Im waiting for the new Caldwell Velociradar, should be available in June or July. I won't buy anything Garmin, they infringed on an aviation patent of mine. Can't fight Goliath.
It is easier to ignore the wobble and squeeze the rigger at lower scope magnification. Too high a magnification, and the shooter may chase the wobble and make it worse. Especially when shooting without bipod or bags.
If you assigned a drone a GPS route between the shooter's station and the target it would correct its course to stay on track as it encounters wind. Those corrections could be interpreted and displayed in wind speed and direction with the right algorithm. I'm not the guy to do the calcs, but I'm sure it's possible. Anybody out there trying?
7:37 seems like he is using the middle of his finger rather than the pad on the trigger, doesnt give you much control over things, then later he is using the tip of his finger and back to the middle so he is getting inconsistent feel on the trigger every time.
.223 is transonic before that. So, groups blow up before you get that far. I understood that other people insist on shooting at 1000 yards; then randomly land a few on the target. So, 1000 yard shooting is not being promoted. Not until you have mastered 500+. And not with a .223.
Breathing down makes sense to me. This is a little dramatisized, but imagine you breathe in and you're resting on your "belly" it's rounder and harder to stay stable. If you breathe out, you're kind of rest on your ribs which come down in almost an upside-down U shape. I may be blowing smoke but it makes sense in my head and seems to work better for most people I know.
There's something in that thought. The second part is that breathing _all_ the way out is repeatable. Empty is empty. The third part is your body's tendency to relax and slow its processes. Your heart rate will even drop.
get lop kit and shorten you lop to fix eye relief problem. customizing rifle fit is a high priority to achieve consistent accuracy. the industry standard of 13.75 lop is not correct for everyone. my hat is off to manufacturers that have addressed this with adjustable stocks.
Can you review the Mossberg 7mm PRC. I’ve seen that you said to stay away from mossbergs but I’ve seen a lot of other videos of mossberg 7mm PRC getting sub moa groups
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Thanks for taking me out Jim! I had a ton of fun and learned a lot. If anyone has any pointers or critics or whatever I'd love to hear it!
Great learning attitude and job following the coaches advice and thank you sir for your service1
Once you got got comfortable, your mechanics were pretty much spot on, but get yourself your own rifle and set it up for you. You'll be amazed at the difference. My dad and I are same height, same weight, same build, same L.O.P.. We shoot completely different set ups. He can't even shoot my rifles.
Huge improvement for such a short time and that's awesome! The biggest piece of advice I could give is that when you break the shot, and this only applies to hunting and long range shooting NOT war or cqb, is keep the trigger pinned back and don't let go until you see where the shot landed. This keeps things more consistent through the shot and after so that you are able to do the exact same thing every time. Follow through, keeping it pinned back, helps you be repeatable and smooth every time.
Note: I am not a vet but I do hunt a lot and have started shooting PRS and this piece of advice was the single biggest thing that has helped me be more consistent with every shot I break. For me, it made such a difference that I couldn't believe something so simple could help me. I'm still learning and getting better as well, but we all have to help each other out in anyway we can. Cheers bud!
Excellent job!
If I were to give any advice it would be to you talking about the difference in military target engagement and Scoped, bolt rifle shooting for groups engagement. " Aim small, miss small " keep that in mind. It truly does work with an accurate rifle set up to your body. Here part of the issue was the scope position / rifle not fitting the shooter but you adapted and over come by following good instruction.
That is great advice I’ve never thought about. I preach following through staying in the scope and so forth. I will use this info.
I've been watching Backfire for a while now, and I'm always impressed by your attitude and positivity and that of your wife and kids- and now another relative. Makes the channel a pleasure to watch. This episode really demonstrated the positive effect of a little humility, and a little kindness when teaching. Great stuff. Keep it up.
Thank you for our service young man. God bless you.
A good uncle and good military bearing. Thank you for your service.
My grandson could shoot an AR. But his Air Force head swelled, when it came to my scoped magnum. Not so much! I can make that comment my first M16 was OD and didn't have forward assist. C Rats with a John Wayne candy bar for lunch at the range. On to S&W 38, M9, MREs and foreward assist.
Tyler you reflect great credit on yourself, your unit, U.S. Army and a grateful nation.
Secret is out now, Scout, Sniper, Delta, Green Beret and CSM...
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Fascinating that when you exhale and hold briefly it actually slows the heart rate, when holding on inhale the heart rate speeds up do to the nervous system. The chest cavity expands on inhale allowing easier working of the heart muscle, the lungs fill with air that should be oxygen rich so the nervous system tells the heart ro beat faster and get the blood moving to enrich and get through the body. On exhale the heart becomes crowded and the nervous system tells it to slow down it doesn't need to work as hard on the exhale, point to remember is briefly, if the exhale is held to long and untrained the heart will start to beat faster and the nervous system will start causing issues, brain starts causing the feelings like o crap I need to breath, panic, anxiety and horrible shots all happen, just like when you shot on the inhale hold except with out the o crap panic breath please feelings. Good stuff fellows.
I have to say this is 1 of the best video's I've seen to help new or newer shooter's to be a lot more comfortable at attempting to shoot long distances. Kudos to both of you on video and to the camera/editor man.
I honestly think that if I had a newer shooter I was trying to help I'd have them watch this video before hand to help calm/eas them to taking instructions as they were learning.
If you ever make another video like this consider this thought as well.
Anyone can shoot 100 yards decently ( like riding a bike ) but shooting long distance is like a person that does all the tricks when riding that bike it take practice to remember and to get the mind, body and spirit to work accurately together
Just shot my best grouping today based on what you said here. Most helpfull / practical video iv yet seen. Thanks for sharing.
I've been pushing myself further at that exact spot with my AR-15s lately. I've even started getting my buddies from work hooked on long distance, especially once they see me hitting a 780 yard target with just regular 55 gr 5.56 with a 14.5" barrel. Last time I went with them, I even pushed an 18" AR-15 with 2-12 scope and Sig 77gr OTM to the 1000 yard target, definitely pushing that scope and the cartridge to its limits. But it's so satisfying hearing that metal and knowing you're doing it.
Ya know Jim, they make those outdoor canopies, they only take a few minutes to set up, and you could shoot in the shade. Just sayin...
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You are a great teacher, a notable point is that you laid out the correct sequences in the correct relative importances. something that I really took to heart in the video of ruger and Eric C was the value of dry fire. thanks again
Sure appreciated the attitudes displayed by all...open attitude leads toward better outcomes. Regards, DougI
Great attitude throughout the process! You weren't too prideful and making excuses. I like that! I was in the Marines and am having a similar experience in the transition. I'm going on my first hunt this October.
Thats great, best of luck!!!
God speed soldier
Depending on your region, your shooting might look a lot different! I used to train mostly in prone, kneeling or seated, but hunting in the Southwest means you are more likely than not going to be shooting above a bunch of 3-4' tall scrub brush, aka shooting stick or tripod, 90% of the time unless God is smiling on you that hunt. Something to keep in mind. Good luck Marine.
Interesting piece of history on army marksmanship. Back before the world wars, the military had some fantastically accurate shooters. Training was done on bullseye style targets with an emphasis placed on accuracy, but they found soldiers had a problem with freezing up against an actual human combatant. The army switched to a silhouette style target, which helped the mental aspect of engaging the enemy but accuracy began to suffer. There have been numerous attempts to meld the two styles of shooting together over the years, but like anything else in the military, it’s had mixed results. There are a lot of things in the army’s inventory that can help but I’m not sure how many units take full advantage of them.
Great video! Always nice to see people share their knowledge! As a electrician for 35 years nothing meant more to me than having someone spend time with you to get things right. Once you do things right you gain respect. Thanks guys for your honest experience
I think the biggest rifle shooting tip is to quit "pulling" the trigger! Aim as well as you can and squeeze until it goes off. Lots of people say to let it surprise you but if you get used to your trigger you get a feel for when it will go off. Just like traditional archery create a process for your shot process. Breathing, rifle setup, and so on all the way up to the rifle going off. You'll be so much more precise and accurate. Speed shooting is an entirely different game.
Thank you brother for teaching people how to shoot other than buy the fanciest rifle.
Just want to say thank you for your videos sharing your knowledge.
Your explanations and changing scenarios is perfect to learn from. Happy Father’s Day.
This was a great video! When I got done watching I looked to see if I needed to change.
Lets say I thought when I saw the title I thought I knew all I needed to know. Well like I've before learned there are lots I need to know. Now I have some work to do. Thanks again very informitive. 67 and still learning.
Jim is an encyclopedia of knowledge. Over the past few years of watching him and Spomer, I've gone from a 2"-2.5" shooter to a Sub-Moa shooter, coincidentally with a Ruger American. The two biggest things I've noticed that made the biggest difference with me is breathing and finger control. I've also taken some of his shot placement information into consideration. I've gone from vital shots to high shoulder/neck shot. I never had a problem dropping deer but there was the occasional runner, when I was shooting for vitals. Since I've changed to the high shoulder/neck shot, I haven't had one take a step after impact. This guy knows his stuff. Listen too and take in what he says.
Any chance @Backfire will get a scope cam? It would be great to see the "wobble" or the shot and all the little things that we could analyze from that view!
Retired Sergeant here, to me it looks like you have the basics down pretty good.
Unfortunately the only scope brand I've run into that offers a wide selection of models with adequate eye relief is Leupold. I've struggled for years using a standard LOP rifle with a big optic (I have less than ideal vision). Only solution I've seen for me is to shorten the LOP by 3/4". That does feel a bit weird at first but it's worked out for me. My natural LOP is pretty avg, around 13" but I have to go 12.5" if I'm loaded up heavy in winter camo and 12.75 to 13 at most if I'm wearing lighter clothing
I loved this video. I love shooting my airguns long range, and with an airgun, you have to be very precise. So, this video helped me so much.
@ 17:30 - eye relief and reticle got me into Swampfox optics. The precision rifle scopes are so impressive. Not Nightforce good, but better than Vortex and Leupold for eye relief and good light capture.
Really excellent video. I have watched tons of your gun reviews, but this content was exceptional, especially using equipment that we all can afford and have access to. Do you do any courses in long range shooting for the public?
Great tips on using the ballistics software. I will never forget what one of my college professors told us when it came to solving an equation. GIGO, garbage in garage out.
I paused at 29:10.
I ain’t there but until this point, sounds like the eye relief is the biggest factor 🤔. I could be wrong I’m just watching and listening.
Can’t properly fix it at the range but it can be done. Let’s watch the remaining part of the video.
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Jim you guys must be getting a different Ruger than we are in Aussie, because here they are classed as a cheap and nasty class F i went through 2 of them and neither did any better than 1" regardless of ammo, so yep that could be me, but others i have personally seen were the same with decent shooters, I really think Ruger does the same as we do with our beers, export the crap and keep the good stuff for our own consumption 🤣🤣 great video love your work.
wish I saw this video a couple years ago when I started on my long range shooting journey. SOLID information and advice, would have saved me hundreds of rounds.
Good points. Theres more feedback on corrective techniques with the light rifle. If you can do it with a light rifle, it will be easier with a heavier one.
Jim - This was a great video clip. Such a valuable way for me to learn, watching you teach someone else
I always tell people to squeeze the trigger straight back with the pad of your finger not the knuckle. I used to shoot hand gun metallic silhouette. With a handgun if you don’t have perfect trigger pull you will miss by 10 feet at 200 meters.lol😊
I guess I take for granted how much of these techniques I got from simply shooting my entire life! Learning to shoot starlings with my scoped BB gun as a 5 year old on up to shooting iron sighted 10/22s and eventually ARs and hunting rifles. Each scope or sighting system is a bit different whether or not you're shooting USPSA or 3gun or just trying to hit a rock at 800 yards to beat your friends in competition. All this shooting over time and you just get better. There are a lot of little things I do to shoot well that I don't even think about until watching a video like this.
Lots of difference between combat marksmanship and precision shooting. Rock Steady Brother.
If you print your target light red, you can see the line hits much easier.
Another awesome show Jim ‼️
Just want to mention something I do and maybe Tyler will get into doing a little smithing for himself one day and with his Uncle Jim's help 🤙
I also breathe down but I also time "the wobble" (my heartbeat); and I can do it very effectively because I do my own trigger work. I don't have any aftermarket triggers, I just fine tune with factory units a little at a time and dry fire until I've got it.
Most everything works out to be about a pound / pound and a half, most of the time.
Thank you. I love the video. 76 year old guy here. Farthest so far 400. Do you ever change stocks? It seems like you shoot whatever the rifle comes with. The Ruger American is the price range for this old guy. Thanks again.
I agree, I hate the eye relief in most scopes. I recently got an Athalon with almost 4" eye relief.
Enjoyed the video, nephew seems like a good kid!
I will tell you that the Marine corps has very good marksmanship program but with that being said I find most people don’t pay attention and continue to do it the way they were taught by their dad or grand dad. The people that listen to the rules usually become excellent shots. The proof is the people who never touched a gun usually become experts very quickly.
Besides more eye relief in scopes i would like to see more adjustable stocks like the Savage acufit stock. Not everyone has a 14.25" length of pull. Especially prone.
“223, 5.56, same thing” you just opened a can of worms. I want to be far, far away when all the “experts” show up.
Two different spec loadings, same case dimentions, one has a slightly higher pressure spec. Both are way under the pressure that modern firearms in good condition can handle.
A 556 can accept a 223 but 223 can't accept a 556 without jamming
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@@davidbackus3240 is that a joke? It's hard to tell if you are joking or actually serious.
@@NorthRiverGuide and measured using two different pressure standards in two different places on a catridge
If you're off one click at 100, you'd be off 1 click at all ranges. It's just that the 1 click at 100 is 1/4" (if moa) and 10/4" at 1000.
In A perfect world yes. To many variables out longer than say 500 yds.
One concept that I learned as a pilot was _density altitude,_ which is a combination of actual altitude, barometric pressure, temperature, and humidity. Do you use all of these factors in your calculations?
As for *wind,* we correct for the amount of *steady* wind plus half of the amount of the *gusts.*
My Remington 700 ADL STAINLESS STEEL 30-06 very accurate I can shoot it at 500 yards 1/2 inches ground and it Was cross wide at 4 mph wind 💨 but I got to know 1 long range rifle. My problem is I’m on open field and I would like to get a elk hunt in the mountains ⛰️ and I need to practice with different environments but I’m feeling good about it my setup is $550 30-06 new $400 rifle and a vortex 4x12x40 tactical scope it doesn’t have parallax adjustment but I use Hornady app and it’s getting me on target 🎯 and $150 scope!! I don’t have any issues with my setup!! My rifle has a 24 inch barrel
Jim as far as the ruger american killers go I bought 2 of the Ruger american gen 2's in the predator configuration in 6mm arc the exact same guns those guys were shooting in the beginning of this video. I also bought 4 Howa mini action combo guns also in 6mm arc (they came with a niko sterling 4x12 scopes. The rugers are accurate and look good imo. The howa's shoot just as well and have a better trigger and are significantly lighter. On the gen 2's I have arken optics on they are the LP4. The Ruger was more expensive without a scope than the Howa was with a scope.The Howa is imo a Ruger killer. For the pencil thin barrel on the Howa's none of them has had a point of impact shift more than any one of the Rugers even though the Rugers while being fluted still have a heavier barrel,and I want to say I bought these guns to give to nieces and nephews and one thing I will say is I have seen grown men not shoot a breaked rifle well let alone kids
Thanks so much for your review. Have a nice experience with our Veyron 4-16x44 FFP!
Excellent! Some very sound instruction there absorbed by someone who is trained to take instruction.
The savage trail hunter tester earlier is good but heavy. Well today they released the trail hunter lite.
This is an excellent instructional video. Thank you for sharing this.
Great vid! @34.07(ish) it looks like his left thumb is off the bag and he is exerting some side-pressure into the stock. But I'm old, and can't find my glasses... Back in the last century, I'd lightly preload the bipod (I said lightly) and doing so freed me from unconsciously wanting to steady the stock with my left hand and just work the bag. Just a thought. No charge today. And you get what you pay for...
X2 on scope cam idea @Backfire. This will ad so much value to your videos !! Thanks for another great tutorial!!
Backfire, cool video you deserve more views
Why you wouldn't choose a scope mount that gives you the proper eye relief is beyond my comprehension.
I thought that step came even before leveling the scope to the gun.
That is embarrassing
Tyler said he was used to the pistol grip style. Let him shoot your Sig Cross.
The best instructor I have ever seen
I would love to see a review on the Blaser R8 chambered in 7MM Blaser Mag it will blow your mind.
That cap looks familiar...and the Southern Cross on the back 👍
Try using rings that are not so bulky. 6 screw rings for a 223 is overkill. Try some 4 screw rings, and you will get more adjustment to get the proper eye relief.
I wish those turret tags were on eBay or Amazon. I’m lazy when it comes to ordering small items off a direct site
Where to order them?
He is changing the grip on the stock. The first 5 shot group
Excellent teacher.
WRT the concept of a Ruger American "Killer"... I think the phrasing is silly (the Ruger American has contemporaries and competition but they can all exist in the same space!)
But have you looked into the more affordable Savage 110s? They're famously accurate out of the box. The new 110 Trail Hunter Lite has most of the modern features folks tend to like and those are selling for ~$550-600.
They do NOT have an adjustable comb height or length of pull, though.
The only thing I noticed was his trigger pull, using the crease of his finger rather than the meat of his index, pulling with the crease tends to pull right on trigger squeeze, where using the meat will help ensure a straight trigger pull
Regardless of moving from firing from firing position to firing position even in the military you have to zero your rifle at 100mtrs and you need to get a group under 2 inches at 100mtrs and on an APWT range (annual personal weapons test) you engage targets from 100mtrs to 600mtrs (targets fall when hit) but unless you are getting a zero of under 2 inches at 100mtrs your going to have trouble hitting anything at 600mtrs.
Good video idea!
BRASS--Breath, relax, aim, site, squeeze great video!!
Oh boy, you said "223, 5.56, same diff."
HERE WE GO!!!
You have a great show and thanks again for the great info 👍👍👍👍👍👍👌👌👌👏👏👏👏👏
Good video. Thanks for your service!
So im noticing he has his finger what seems like really far in almost like he is trying to shoot with the crease of his finger wich would pull the the shot slightly in my experience but i could be wrong could just be camera angle
Finger placement is wrong cause he had the trigger in the crease rather than on the pad of the finger. Also when he pulled the trigger, he would release the trigger right aways. Squeeze and hold. Its a bolt action. Your looking to shoot slow and smooth not fast.
He addresses the pad vs crease @28:10
Looked like he was punching the trigger about half the time,follow thru! Also trigger finger placement on the trigger changed,some time his finger wrapped around the trigger other times he used more of the tip of his finger.
In my time we had to qualify at 500 yards with the M14 "308" and M16 "5.56".
Yea but yall shot targets the size of tanks
Remember those rifles had peepsights@@mrs.vasquezz
@@mrs.vasquezz Nope targets the size of a man from the waist up.
@@melthurman8334 sure
I would LOVE to do this. In my area here on the East Coast I can't find ranges beyond 200 yards. Envious.
body position, like being straight behind the rifle, matter to both recoil management and shot placement to a lesser degree. Especially if a follow up shot is needed. If you suffer from bipod hop and not being able to watch impacts, you probably have a body position issue. To be really fair, the fundamentals of marksmanship all matter. But the services don't focus on them (not looking at you Marines) as much as they used to.
Cool idea: what if you had IMUs that you could mount in each axis to see what shooter inputs are affecting the shots?
Jim best regards from Brazil 🎉
Love hearing the delayed sound of hits out at long range.
well done!
How about a test to see how many MOA people can shoot, offhand at 50 or 100 yards? It has different challenges to shooting prone or off a bench at 600 yards.
No body can consistently shoot moa offhand at 50 or 100 yards they might get a single group out of 10 or so but not consistently
Thanks for some pro-tips that'll come in handy!
Savege 110 trail hunter is cheap and amazing .24 inch group with match ammo
Getting lucky once, with a 3-shot group, isn’t a 1/4moa gun 😂
Im waiting for the new Caldwell Velociradar, should be available in June or July.
I won't buy anything Garmin, they infringed on an aviation patent of mine. Can't fight Goliath.
any reason you could not slide the scope back in the rings to improve cheek weld/eye relief? Looks like there is a little room.
It is easier to ignore the wobble and squeeze the rigger at lower scope magnification. Too high a magnification, and the shooter may chase the wobble and make it worse. Especially when shooting without bipod or bags.
Does that scope have adjustable parallax? If so making sure that's adjusted correctly would help
Fantastic video!
If you assigned a drone a GPS route between the shooter's station and the target it would correct its course to stay on track as it encounters wind. Those corrections could be interpreted and displayed in wind speed and direction with the right algorithm. I'm not the guy to do the calcs, but I'm sure it's possible. Anybody out there trying?
Always breathe down as after exhaling, the heart slows making you steadier.
7:37 seems like he is using the middle of his finger rather than the pad on the trigger, doesnt give you much control over things, then later he is using the tip of his finger and back to the middle so he is getting inconsistent feel on the trigger every time.
I thought you were going to go to 1000 yrds... what happened to that? Lol
Couldn't do it, so edited it out 😅
@codyway7424 Uncle Jim couldn't get you on paper even after hitting 800 with ease...? We need some explanation here.
.223 is transonic before that. So, groups blow up before you get that far.
I understood that other people insist on shooting at 1000 yards; then randomly land a few on the target. So, 1000 yard shooting is not being promoted. Not until you have mastered 500+. And not with a .223.
Breathing down makes sense to me. This is a little dramatisized, but imagine you breathe in and you're resting on your "belly" it's rounder and harder to stay stable. If you breathe out, you're kind of rest on your ribs which come down in almost an upside-down U shape. I may be blowing smoke but it makes sense in my head and seems to work better for most people I know.
There's something in that thought. The second part is that breathing _all_ the way out is repeatable. Empty is empty.
The third part is your body's tendency to relax and slow its processes. Your heart rate will even drop.
Breathing all the way out works because your diaphragm isn't tense, when breath is all the way out the diaphragm is relaxed.
Agreed
get lop kit and shorten you lop to fix eye relief problem. customizing rifle fit is a high priority to achieve consistent accuracy. the industry standard of 13.75 lop is not correct for everyone. my hat is off to manufacturers that have addressed this with adjustable stocks.
Which size/weight rear fortune cookie bag is that? Thx!
Another great video. What bags do you recommend as I am after a decent and flexible one? Thanks
Where are you seeing that Garmin chronograph for $500? Everywhere I have seen it, it is 800.00 for more
It's 500 at my local fleet farm. That being said it's absolutely insane since you can get other doplar chrono for 400
Great video ive been doing all these things with great results
Can you review the Mossberg 7mm PRC. I’ve seen that you said to stay away from mossbergs but I’ve seen a lot of other videos of mossberg 7mm PRC getting sub moa groups
Talk to Pieter Malan. He show you step by step how to make a turret drop chart for your scope. @impact shooting