Tadej Pogačar Attacks Jonas Vingegaard | Tour de France 2024 Stage 2 | Lanterne Rouge x JOIN

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  • In this episode Patrick Broe and Benji Naesen recap the first stage of the 2024 Tour de France.
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  • @sirgurtner92
    @sirgurtner92 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    Funny sidefact: küng dropped lenny and gaudu🎉

  • @dkm8703
    @dkm8703 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    I'm really happy Remco bridged back to Pog and Jonas - think he'll throw a real spanner into the works as long as he's in the mix

  • @Trooperbruce618
    @Trooperbruce618 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +83

    I’m just happy JV is on good enough form to stay with POG. We got a tour!

    • @user-vt4hd8hb4v
      @user-vt4hd8hb4v 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      don't get excited yet. The real test will be the Galibier

    • @adshdhhhd7783
      @adshdhhhd7783 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      ​@@user-vt4hd8hb4vOn paper this terrain was best suited for Tadej.

    • @Jon-cw8bb
      @Jon-cw8bb 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He was out of the saddle for like 5s lol ​@@adshdhhhd7783

    • @user-vt4hd8hb4v
      @user-vt4hd8hb4v 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@adshdhhhd7783 yeah best suited but that doesn't mean that any gaps were likely to be made in such a short distance attack, or that it is indicative of Vingegaard's overall form

    • @adshdhhhd7783
      @adshdhhhd7783 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​@@user-vt4hd8hb4vtrue. JV did seem strong though.

  • @vinniamsterdam700
    @vinniamsterdam700 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Now I want to see Abrahamsen on Galibier!!

  • @louisvanderwalt716
    @louisvanderwalt716 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I am surprised by Vinegaard but it is only stage 2 If he can hold his form until end of week 2, Pogacar is in trouble
    Pogacar not looking confident in his interview after the race today

    • @gabrielmazza7923
      @gabrielmazza7923 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      To me he looked in control, he tested himself while taking the mask out of Jonas' real shape. Now he knows who's fighting against, and Visma doesn't have the suprise advantage anymore

    • @mrsewe417
      @mrsewe417 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      That's right. Pogacars face said it all. Not a good day at all!

    • @gabrielmazza7923
      @gabrielmazza7923 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mrsewe417 lies

    • @louisfourie800
      @louisfourie800 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Thats verry true. And UAE acted like its a co leader type role, nobody (except yates and the rulers willing to work). They couldve set it up dropped the whole peleton with only 4 guys left in the bunge and then let pog go. 100% sure he would've dropped JV then

    • @louisvanderwalt716
      @louisvanderwalt716 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@gabrielmazza7923 I get your point 👍

  • @marcprins3841
    @marcprins3841 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    the both better watch out for remco he by far the best TT rider and proved that today again . with closing the 15 sec gap almost alone .

    • @Trooperbruce618
      @Trooperbruce618 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      He can’t hang on those week 3 climbs in my opinion. We will see though!

  • @PhilRotz
    @PhilRotz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    LR - always insightful. What can we take away from the first two stages about Bart Lemmen? I expected him to be climbing support - perhaps before Keldergoat. But he’s been doing his work earlier and rolling in w/Tratnik and LaPorte. How should we think about his role/utility in this race?

  • @Stufferburg
    @Stufferburg 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ayuso and almeda need to ride for Pog. Period!

  • @RonHaskell
    @RonHaskell 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    I think we learned that Jonas has the form to hang with Tadej’s explosive attacks….. the only question is whether he has the form on those LOOOOONG climbs where he has broken Tadej the last two years.

    • @chrisjosephbenson
      @chrisjosephbenson 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Only thing is there was big draft benefit today. Could be different on a 10-15min 10+% climb

    • @simonstrane
      @simonstrane 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Pogi uses too much energy to attack 100 times on these small hills, Vingegaard will dominate in 3rd week.

    • @michaelhansen7516
      @michaelhansen7516 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Nah, he won't have the stamina in the 3rd week on the climbs, same as Pog last year.

    • @Alex-w8z9b
      @Alex-w8z9b 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      No big draft on that climb mate

    • @michaelhansen7516
      @michaelhansen7516 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      But covid will knock Pog down a knotch so could be both are not at their best. Hope not.

  • @ronnalld
    @ronnalld 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    say fuga de la fuga one more time

    • @BenjiNaesenTV
      @BenjiNaesenTV 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      FUGA DE LA FUGA

    • @ronnalld
      @ronnalld 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@BenjiNaesenTV why I ougtha

  • @joeroberts4915
    @joeroberts4915 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I didn’t see where Adam Yates dropped Jorgensen?

  • @AP-wd6dv
    @AP-wd6dv 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Well done to Patrick and Jumbo Visma for convincing me that JV was not 100%. Exciting tour ahead.
    I think Pog will have the advantage on the TTs. Unless JV has been secretly training on the TT bike 😅😂

    • @Alex-w8z9b
      @Alex-w8z9b 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He has visma posted a picture and TT bike was in the background

    • @OBoile
      @OBoile 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He still may not be 100%. The lack of training time affected Pog in week 3. He looked very good right up until he didn't. Same was true for Remco at the Giro 3 or 4 years ago (right after his bad crash). Looked great until the wheels came of. He spoke with LR about how you can still be good for one day, but don't resist the build up of fatigue as well if you don't have the miles in your legs.

    • @HolgerDanske874
      @HolgerDanske874 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      As always, it depends on the course and their day form. Pogacar was on his way down and the course suited Vingegaard.

    • @mikeheywood7521
      @mikeheywood7521 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      About the TTs, I agree it's advantage Pog on Stage 7 (though I think Remco will smoke both of them). Stage 21 though... the route is a lot hillier, and it's literally the last stage of a 3-week race. It looks an awful lot like the Stage 16 TT last year & we know how that went

  • @Lion-wd1px
    @Lion-wd1px 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    when finally MVDP time 😭🤞

  • @zyzz2011playlist
    @zyzz2011playlist 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I’m suprised with jonas. A punchy climb going max HR, stage 2, 88 days after having a perforated lung chasing pogi that is in form. How does that work

    • @simonstrane
      @simonstrane 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Normal Jonas during the day, Batman-training Jonas during the night?

    • @malencid
      @malencid 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Same as when he did his immaculate time trial last year. There are secrets to be found about Jonas. It's just a matter of time.

  • @robflel
    @robflel 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Our beloved Danish Anchovy is in it to win it!

  • @fevisser
    @fevisser 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Bedankt

  • @johanneswww
    @johanneswww 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    No one believed the multiple-leader-strategy in the first place, right?

  • @AdrrejHanzelj
    @AdrrejHanzelj 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ayuso shouldn't be in the Tour. He has no form and he prooved to be a poor domestigue either way.
    He should proove himself on stage 4

  • @MatejKavcic17
    @MatejKavcic17 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Demare winning triple for france. Just wierd but a bit possible

  • @Stufferburg
    @Stufferburg 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    JV looked good today but pogačar looked like he was going 80%

  • @Zawisza499
    @Zawisza499 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Why people are so surprised that JV can hold Pog? He said he will come to the tour only if he's 100% ofc there might be some uncertainty how he will perform, but I expect him to be 100%

    • @yourdeadjack
      @yourdeadjack 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      How can you believe he’s 100% after life changing injuries 2 months back and with reduced training?

    • @louisfourie800
      @louisfourie800 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We wont ever know how bad the crash actually was. They coulve been playing possum since April

    • @HolgerDanske874
      @HolgerDanske874 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He is not 100%, but he will be competitive at 95%

    • @Zawisza499
      @Zawisza499 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@yourdeadjack How can you believe JV comes to the tour with the whole team built around him being not prepared? The crash was really bad I get it, but I don't believe he would come to the tour if his numbers were not good enough.

    • @yourdeadjack
      @yourdeadjack 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Zawisza499 This is about being 100% which he is not. With the injuries he’s sustained he won’t ever get back to his previous form. With that said, his new form may still be the best.

  • @StephanieLuff
    @StephanieLuff 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What a great start to the tour!

  • @morrisizing
    @morrisizing 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    OK they didn't know Jonas's current level, but reducing the Yates card seemed silly as UAE's numbers are their big advantage. The ability to work Jonas over as Visma did to Pog with Jonas & Roglic is silly to give away early.

  • @TheSheriff1989
    @TheSheriff1989 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    how's the live chat replies and people claiming JV is doped up because he followed pog... the very same people will say crickets when pog wins 10 races from 12 entries. Its really bizarre that people believe the most dominant rider in the peloton is clean, but the guy that can follow him must be doped. wake up...

  • @alexwoolley5173
    @alexwoolley5173 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Agree with Patrick, I think Pogi was hoping to put time into Jonas in these first 2 stages, the fact JV looked so comfortable yesterday speaks volumes, I think he's going to win this year's Tour, Pogi will tire out towards the end because of riding the Giro

  • @tomcads1604
    @tomcads1604 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Carapaz has to be thinking about stage positions to get in yellow or else he's a complete troll: he drafted Remco all the way to get back to Jonas and Pogi and then sprints full gas to deny the Total rider a stage top 10 which I found hilariously cruel

  • @annarien4333
    @annarien4333 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So glad to hear Patrick saying Wout is switched off and when he's at the back of the peloton, there is a good chance some shit will happen to him. Stay with your team and don't be a fraking liability, Wout.

  • @Tk-fk4sk
    @Tk-fk4sk 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Roglic lost the wheels again in the Run in ... Vlasov ans Hindley were in about sixth wheel.

  • @sean7098
    @sean7098 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    UAE I feel are conserving for stage 4, they will go nuclear there

    • @simonstrane
      @simonstrane 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No, they could not attack today, Ayusu and Almeida were too weak, we didn't even seem them in action, and on stage 4 they will be even more tired.

    • @sean7098
      @sean7098 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@simonstrane they were in bad position. When you are single file on the climb positioning matters a tonne more than Alpine climbs

    • @AdrrejHanzelj
      @AdrrejHanzelj 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@simonstrane different type of climbs on stage 4. Ayuso doesn't look great though I agree.

  • @adshdhhhd7783
    @adshdhhhd7783 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Thank god JV and RE were here because the TDF GC could have been over today already.

  • @n.heroep2786
    @n.heroep2786 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Benji... I want to see more of your Sagan impression.. LOL.🤣🤣 Not bad Benji..

  • @simonstrane
    @simonstrane 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I think Vingegaard wins now, looked spectacular today.

    • @drapetomaniack
      @drapetomaniack 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yup… if he stays rubber side down… Pogacar has a Giro in his legs… it should be a worst spanking than last year!!

    • @desryan1603
      @desryan1603 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@drapetomaniack not enough people out there concerned about that Giro in his legs

    • @TheMikkster
      @TheMikkster 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah Jonas really, really strong. This kind of climb is Pogi’s bread and butter

    • @HolgerDanske874
      @HolgerDanske874 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Too early to call. Internal bleeding, broken collarbone and ribs, punctured lung. Dude, these 3 weeks are long. He is not at his 100%.

    • @drapetomaniack
      @drapetomaniack 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@HolgerDanske874 ABSOLUTELY… still early, but based on rider characteristics.. Vingegaard tends to just get better (relative to rest of peloton) as race goes on… Pogacar tends to have more and more fragile form as race goes on… and that without having done a Giro before TdF… with a Giro in Pogacar’s legs would not be unreasonable to expect that increasing fragile form to be more pronounced for Pogacar!

  • @fozzybear8001
    @fozzybear8001 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Rog just doesn't wanna play games with the young bucks

    • @colintainter4856
      @colintainter4856 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yeah I mean realistically, it was a significant amount of matches burned for a very insignificant time gain at the end of the day.

  • @tomcads1604
    @tomcads1604 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Rogla doesn't have the San Luca KOM. Eurosport said it's Woods (with an insane 5'25)

  • @sundancestureman2662
    @sundancestureman2662 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    The Big 4 alive…
    Tadej
    Jonas
    Remco
    Richard.

  • @louisfourie800
    @louisfourie800 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think this is good for visma. They got 40 seconds on on 3 uae co leaders. Uae coulve done a 2022 jonas roglic combo breaking Jonas but they kinda threw that out the picture themselves

    • @simonstrane
      @simonstrane 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      UAE aren't very good tactically, are they? 🤣😂

  • @jacobjacobsen2798
    @jacobjacobsen2798 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Looks like Benji is a Spurs-fan 😅

  • @FlammesRouges
    @FlammesRouges 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This has become more of a Visma fanboy podcast as of late!! Ugh !!

    • @Jeroen_K
      @Jeroen_K 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You didn’t watch the pod, didn’t you?

  • @donquique1
    @donquique1 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hahahaha😂😂😂😂😂 poor poge.

  • @pythor2117
    @pythor2117 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It looked like Vlasov couldve maybe gone with Remco and Carapaz but held back for Rogla...

    • @AndrewDell-f1r
      @AndrewDell-f1r 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Nope, Rogla said it was the plan to conserve energy and stay with the yellow jersey group.

  • @AlexWatson-t1f
    @AlexWatson-t1f 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I wonder if Mr Broe is consuming his magnesium pills.

    • @LanterneRougeCyclingPodcast
      @LanterneRougeCyclingPodcast  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I am actually, plus vitamin B too! LR

    • @AlexWatson-t1f
      @AlexWatson-t1f 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@LanterneRougeCyclingPodcast Thanks for letting me and everyone else know.👍

  • @kevinbuggie3808
    @kevinbuggie3808 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Who’s the third person they keep looking at in the room? Expert helper?? Make your guesses: Ben O’Conner?😂

  • @foobar5809
    @foobar5809 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think Jonas has got to be the clear favorite for the tour now

    • @alex9046
      @alex9046 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      UAE has the better team as is right now

    • @foobar5809
      @foobar5809 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@alex9046the Team does not help them, because all of them are weaker than Pog & Vingo by a lot. what are they gonna use the team for. None of them can ride Vibgo off their wheel or even stay with Pog in case Pog did.

    • @foobar5809
      @foobar5809 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      and JV does not need a lot of team Support once he is in the high mountains in week 3

    • @simonstrane
      @simonstrane 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @alex9046
      Almeida and Ayusu could not attack today.

  • @TP-zu1od
    @TP-zu1od 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Did anyone notice Vingegaard downhill skills were sketchy?

    • @5231-g1x
      @5231-g1x 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Didn't really think it was sketchy.

    • @steeveolivier2847
      @steeveolivier2847 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      Honestly he always takes better lines than pogacar. So dont worry about vingegaard descending skill

    • @simonstrane
      @simonstrane 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      He was just being careful after the crash, if even that (crash from April).

    • @TopgunB
      @TopgunB 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Pog looked finished in the last 500 meters. Vingegaard looked fine

    • @TP-zu1od
      @TP-zu1od 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Humm maybe its me, thats checking to much if he has any "issues" after his crash. Lets hope not 🤘

  • @drapetomaniack
    @drapetomaniack 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Anyone see any video of the chase group and Evenepoel on the descent? I’m having a REALLY hard time believing they bridged a 45 second gap to top riders in the world in 1.5km… super suspicious that there’s some motorcycle pacing shenanigans as in the Dauphiné 😏

    • @BenjiNaesenTV
      @BenjiNaesenTV 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Evenepoel was only 10-15 seconds behind and the group was 35 seconds behind. Time gaps were a little wrong I think when it said 45 temporarily.

    • @drapetomaniack
      @drapetomaniack 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@BenjiNaesenTV ok… still want to see that video to see how that really went down… when/how did Evenepoel leave that group.. who was pulling etc… that’s some TERRIBLE editing! 😏

    • @MDP1702
      @MDP1702 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Remco was never more than 15" behind I think. And I also wouldn't take the tv gaps for real, since motoplacement can be important (behind vs in front of the group etc.)
      Or are you saying to the break?

    • @triple884
      @triple884 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@drapetomaniack remco and carapaz jumped from the group when pogacar attacked, they both reacted and couldn’t get on pogis wheel quick enough. So they both spent the rest of the race trying to make up the 10-15 seconds they lost on the initial attack from pogi and jonas

    • @drapetomaniack
      @drapetomaniack 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@triple884 I looked at video again and though the second corner after attack you can just make out Carapaz leaving the peloton… solo.. imagine Remco must has joined him moments later 🤔

  • @dizyaster7700
    @dizyaster7700 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    This playing poor from Visma was disqusting, hope karma gets them.

    • @mrsewe417
      @mrsewe417 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Uhhhh, nasty Visma. So unfair.

    • @HolgerDanske874
      @HolgerDanske874 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Broken collarbone, broken ribs, internal bleeding and a puncture lung. Yeah, "playing poor form" it must be 🤡

    • @simonstrane
      @simonstrane 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Playing well is the better expression.

    • @miche_amico
      @miche_amico 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm sure even Jonas didn't know how he would perform once he was racing again. You could tell he was genuinely surprised he didn't lose time to Pog today. Visma played it smart to put the least amount of pressure on a rider who's coming back from serious injury. To have done it any different would've been foolish on their part.

    • @Jeroen_K
      @Jeroen_K 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah I heard they faked all the injuries and put a lung drain in Jonas for show 🤡🙄🥳

  • @gabrielmazza7923
    @gabrielmazza7923 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    why are Lanterne Rouge's comment sections full of Visma fanboys 🥹🫠

    • @desryan1603
      @desryan1603 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      low key inculcation

    • @lopixoo
      @lopixoo 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Well one of the host is a Visma employee

    • @louisfourie800
      @louisfourie800 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@lopixoothey try keeping that on the low key😂😂

    • @HolgerDanske874
      @HolgerDanske874 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      How's that? I only see Pogacar fan boys

    • @simonstrane
      @simonstrane 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Because Visma Lease-A-Horse is the best team.