If it was widely expected that Pogacar would have endurance/fitness issues last year because of his injury and time off the bike, why do we think Jonas won't fall off in the last week as well? Is it because the profile of the high mountains suit Jonas in the same way they did last year (hot, over 20k etc?) Main difference this year is that it doesn't look like Visma is strong enough to grind Pogi down before a final summit finish.
Like maybe the finish to Isola on Stage 19? Also, how much time would Pogacar realistically lose to an in-form Jonas on the last ITT? Or to Remco? Surely we wouldn't expect a repeat of last year....
I did forget...will Pogi show any Giro hangover in the third week. If it shows up....that's probably when. So...in theory...Pogi flagging late...Jonas getting stronger...but still recovering...and on a weaker team. Perfect chance for Remco or Rogla to attack!
It sucks that Movistar doesn’t have the money to have Ayuso as its leader. Ayuso is a mediocre teammate at best, but he’d be a fun wildcard leader on a team like Movistar.
Thanks Benji for standing up to the “Vingegaard will clean Pogi” propaganda. Even if that ends up happening, nothing about this stage gives any reasonable viewer that impression. C’mon now LR.
Patrick is so bad now... Visma is shit as a team. Jonas is the man, a god, but he needs someone to make a hard pace... Jorgensen is going to put Pog and the UAE super team to the sword? Get real. Remco and Landa are going to do the work for Jonas? I don't see it.
"We know what we need to do to make the plan succeed. But I’m not going to tell you that here... In that context, I’m definitely full of confidence. We believe in our approach, of course, also based on the last two editions, which went brilliantly. We’ll see,” the ambitious Vingegaard concluded. Jonas stage 15 raid incoming. 😏
@@andraznogometas10 If anyone could do it, it's Jonas, he's the best GC rider in the world. But this is not the last two editions. On paper and on the road, this Visma team is much worse. And UAE team is better. Presumably Pog is better with his new trainer. Is Jonas better? With the crash and poor prep? Hard to believe he is. But maybe, I wouldn't know...
Pogi said in his race interview that he stayed in line longer than he wanted to due to the wind.... he chose to stay out of the wind and then he punched it - worked pretty well! His guys bickering - pretty funny...if that is the only thing they did wrong all race - all good!
That's a wild take saying Vingegaard will clean. Must admit, he looks stronger than expected and Pogacar maybe not as strong as I expected. However Pogacar still clear favourite to me.
@@mikeheywood7521 both times (Jumbo) Visma made the race hard for 3 weeks and wore him out. Not sure this line up can pace every day to do the same. Also not sure if Vingegaard wiill cope if they do beecause of his preparations. That's why I doubt it. Wouldn't mind it if that happens though, I'm happy with either Pogacar or Vingegaard.
How in gods name does Pogacar not look as strong as expected? He just made the best climbers in the world look like they were amateurs, What were you expecting?
how UAE was rotating the super doms in the headwind on the Galibier...i have not seen that! Of course u do that if u have an army of super doms..Visma has none
Jonas looked under pressure at the top of Galibier and completely spent at the finish line. Remco says he nearly crashed on the descent lost confidence and backed off. Right move. Does not mean that is a permanent situation in the future.
Pogi too strong this year. Vingegaard doesn't have the legs due to his accident and the entire team is off-form. Still second would be mightily impressive
So many prisoners of the moment. The definitive collection of stages are still nearly 2 weeks away from beginning. We really won't know much until the Stage 15 finish at Plateau de Beille. The isolated 1-day mountain stage efforts can't reveal the ultimate decider in the Tour -- the cumulative impacts and recovery on back-to-back mountain stages. I'm in camp Pogi, but honestly, we really won't know until the finish at Plateau de Beille. We'll get a hint in the Stage 7 TT, but it will be Stages 15 and 20 that will tell the ultimate tale. All this stage did was confirm they are still so close that it will come down to those big back-to-back stages late in the race. It's worth watching Jonas' post-race interviews today. He looks as calm and confident as he ever has. He is ahead of schedule on the Visma plan. You can see it in his expression and tone that he's actually surprised to be less than a minute behind at this point. Guaranteed, Visma's plan is for him to be taking much bigger chunks in the definitive mountain stages in Week 3.
#TeamCavendish. I love Patrick’s pick for tomorrow. Funnily enough I won stage 5 on the TDF game win Cav in a photo finish 🤣🤣. Tomorrow it’s happening.
Pogi was riding conservative based on the fact Remco is on the second place. Pogi is more mature now and I don't think Jonas would drop him during the last week of long hard climbs.
A cynic would say it was the cash that went into his pockets 😂 I'm trying to take it as another Patrick hot take and see how it will turn out but that one was surely way out there if you've seen Vingegaard's face coming into the finish 😅
I think Yates, Almeida, Ayuso, we’re all relaying, and Ayuso was skipping pulls, Almeida and Yates burned themselves for Pog. Almeida was the best today outside the demons 😅
About the Almeida- Ayuso dispute, Matxin said, on italian TV, that Almeida was supposed to pull before Ayuso. The headwind complicated things a bit, so they decided on the fly to rotate the two to keep a decent pace while letting them both save a little bit of energy
Matxin says that because Ayuso is his protegee but Almeida is stronger this year, stronger than both him and Yates, this will become clearer as the Tour moves forward.
100% the UAE team tactics issue relates to Ayuso’s Ego and poor management. He expects to be the heir apparent. The second Pogacar. Off course he has huge potential but if you are Almeida you think he’s not technically better than me right now. Ayuso is hoping the illness he has and a ropey start is in the background as he podiums. He’ll tolerate getting beaten by Pogacar this year BUT that is how the guy is thinking. He is not playing Sepp Kuss for Tadej Pogacar. Yates knows in in his bones his leader is better than he (and everyone else) Ayuso still believes- hence arguments on TV at 2000m +.
Just here to remind y’all that Patrick called out Jonas dropping Pogi on Granon and everyone called him a flat-earther. I still feel the ear rape from his screams on the pod that day
@@jackal6234 calory deficit, it was confirmed by UAE and I genuinely believe that story... as for col de la loze last year - poor nutrition (that's my not-so-hot take)
Jonas looked like he out everything out there that he had and didn’t worry about tactics. I’m with patrick, Pogi going earlier wouldn’t have meant a larger gap at the top. It seems like Jonas has threshold just not the snap under load. This should be no surprise given the accident. Hopefully Jonas builds form, and we get more fireworks!!
Not mention, pogi got the gaps by explosively accelerating out of those switchbacks on the climb. If this was a longer, straighter climb, Jonas has a better tractor gear.
if Jonas wants to win he really has to do it on his own there is no visma team strong enough for Tadej nor the UAE squad to grind him slowly, and jonas alone can’t kill him with 2min already in the books, so but lets hope for the best🙌🏻🙌🏻
Agreed - last year everyone just raved about how Jonas smashed Pogi.. them they did not mention the team that carried Jonas.. where Pogi also had an injury (although not as bad as Jonas) but still... and with a much weaker team..
Patrick should go back and watch his interview with Remco talking about the 2021 Giro. The lack of training time doesn't kill you in week 1. It's in week 3 that it hurts. The same thing happened to Pog last year.
So if UAE had sent Ayuso up the road to try to roll Vingegaard, Vingegaard's best move would've been to just let Ayuso go. Even if Soudal doesn't chase with Landa & Ayuso takes like a minute, Ayuso would then be in yellow ahead of Pogi. Given the Almeida-Ayuso dispute today, which suggests that those two *do* have limits to how far they'll go to support Pogi, what would Ayuso in yellow do to UAE's internal cohesion?
Patrick’s Jonas bias is obviously understandable considering he’s employed by Visma, but it’s still annoying. Respect to Benji for challenging him, hopefully he continues to rub it in if Jonas loses more time 😅
Yeah, I agree 😂 I like listening to Patrick now that he's employed by Visma. Sometimes he says more when he withholds his comments tho (or I'm just hearing too much into it)
@@pyraxwhippa he gives his explanation we can agree or disagree, but that's not inventing. There is some merrit to the reasoning. But tbh most of all it's just entertaining if he drops this and we shouldn't punish him with nonsense about bias. I think the pod was a good listen and this claim made it more interesting. In a few weeks time we can call him out if he's wrong, maybe he's not 😉
Make up of the stages this year mean Jonas possible weakness wont matter too much. They have a heap if flat stages coming now. 3 way fight for the TT on Friday, and everyone rests during the sprint stages. Jonas rides into fitness. Climax on stages 19 and 20.
Takeways: UAE's best coordinated team performance on a GT stage ever (surprisingly so, really). Also, the days of a rider getting on a TDF podium from a second or third tier team are over.
Ayuso wasn't at the limit. He was saving himself. How could he cross the top 4 before the other GC guys. If he was pulling so hard like Almeida, he would have been with Almeida. It's showing, Ayuso has his own ambition. I honestly don't like the finish on downhill like this. Yes it's part of the sport. That's not an excuse to exploit the danger even more for the "fans entertainment." Remember Gino? They weren't even going downhill to chase yellow jersey. Imagine how's their family at home watching their loved one going down at 90km-100km/ hour in a lyra short.
If Jonas is growing into form vs last year due to accident…he did not lose much time at top of climb and lost most on decent which will not be issue in week 3…the Tour is far from over
Is Patrick more confident in Jonas more due to the level he’s shown? Or from Pogacar hasn’t shown (aka not taking more time on today’s climb)? #TeamTadej
Patricks analysis is missing one important fact in my opinion: Pogacar doesnt win with an incredible burst this year. The hairpin where the gap dtarted was 250m+ after his launch. However dumm it was, O'Connor stayed with him on stage 2 for quite a while. I think he sacrificed his burst to better xounter vingegaard. And since this is hos first victory over him in altitude, i dont think Visma should just shrug it off. Headwind also played against UAE dropping more people and Pog launching earlier. Anyway, just like last year we might be in for a battle with swings...
The old patrick is gone 😞This is now corporate visma management employee patrick, any excuse is good: Not hot enough, nog enough climbs, too many hairpins, others outsprinting him for bonis, gravity on the descent. Somehow he is 50sec behind and Jonas still has the moral victory. If Pog is smart, no way jonas is still winning this Tour. Just stick to his wheel, don't attack, dont make stages harder then necessary and outsprint him every time at the line or for bonis. With the TT still to come jonas will be 1min+ behind at the rest day.
Guy's, While changing the sheets, I was listening to the description of UAE's domination of the field and thing's, looking ominous for Vingegaard and suddenly Patrick decided to make him the favourite for the Tour win. Did something happen? Did I fall asleep on the bed and miss a whole thought process that would make this make sense?😅
Tadje will win all three grand tours this year and everyone will say how great he. Jonas wins one TT vs a compromised tadje and they will beat the PED drums. So crazy!
Go watch 2020 TT and you will see the same exact thing. Go watch 8th stage in 2021 and you will see the same thing...the best get called out for cheating every year in cycling. Vinge aint spacial in that
@@freddieevans4906 the gap fluctuated continuesly, corner entry Vingegaard gained, on exit/straight Pogacar regained the time. He's just pointing out the difference in their strengths.
#TeamJonas - seems Gerraint Thomas is on #TeamJonas too, after listening to his pod from Stage 4! Form looks good. Will be better in week 2 and 3 - will see Pogi tire later in the tour. TVL had a bad day… expect them to learn and improve - this will sting! And… Jonas’ TT is under-rated… Will see how Remco’s form is in week 2 and 3 - unproven against real competition.
I mean Patrick has his reasons for such statements and to claim they're delusional, would be delusional. I certainly should correct myself and say that it is not annoying. Far from it. That said - I'm team Pogi. 🤠
a little confused about the pogi stage 7 30second gap prediction. I thought jonas was a quality timetrialist. Is the stage too flat or short for him to compete w pogi?
First Jonas needs a team. I still like there team in theory, but they have to step it up. TT will be very interesting. Last year Jonas wins it in my opinion. Also what about Remco, who should be favorite, and Rogla?
IMO, it was a tactical mistake for UAE not to send Ayuso on the attack into the headwind once Jorgenson was dropped and Jonas was isolated. Make Jonas either do repeat surges to covering Ayuso or ride his own pace, but be forced to lead into the headwind with Pogi on his wheel.
@@biscaynediver I personally dont think jonas would have followed an attack by another uae rider that is not Pogacar. But they could try that in the coming Stages to attack the other contenders
@@pyraxwhippa Yeah, Jonas would have let Ayuso or Almaida ride away - he'd turn to Pogi "If you want them to beat you, go right ahead".... No way UAE is letting that happen, nor is Pogi letting that happen. Now Jonas... IF he had Sepp Kuss... would let it happen.
If I’m Jonas and Ayuso or Almeida attacks I’d for sure just let them go. Even if no other teams pull and Ayuso or Almeida take a minute or two, how would Pog react to that rider being so far ahead of him? And how would the infighting affect Ayuso or Almeida? If I’m Jonas/Visma, I’d fully call UAE’s bluff and not react at all to those two, only react to Pog 🤷♂️. Basically taking the MVDP approach, risk losing the race to give yourself the best chance to win it.
There’s no scenario in which Jonas should respond to an attack by Ayuso, Almeida or Yates. It doesn’t make any difference if Jonas is 2nd or 10th in GC, after 2 wins. If he can’t keep up with Pogacar, it’s over, doesn’t matter what the rest of UAE does, they are not his competition. After his crash, he should not kill himself this year, he can let the Pogacar stans think he broke him and come back even stronger next year. I think Pogacar wants to prove himself after two defeats and will not be this motivated next year anyways. #teamjonas all the way
Remco was indeed good and crossed the top as third, but what if Almeida and Ayuso wouldn’t have had to pull into the wind, would he still cross Galibier in third?
Remco is the story here. Only 45 seconds down after 3 tough GC stages. Impressive TDF debut. Predict he'll be in yellow on Friday after the TT. If he's within 2 minutes for Nice TT, he could win it all!
Jonas does not have the team to hurt pogi in the harder stages right? Now just hope that UAE is not going to hurt pogi themselves and do the work for Jonas
Personally I think the way Patrick is handling this is great. Of course he is biased yet what a job on the Pod! He is invested in team Visma with key advice and specifically Jonas. The way Jonas beats Pogacar has a very narrow landing space for success. Long climbs, cumulative fatigue. good tactics. It is what made 22/23 riveting. If Pogacar has lost 1.5kg and is at 7W/KG but is more powerful in the flats then he may just be better BUT we ALL have to wait and hope they tow the line in 2025 fit and healthy to find out. If Patrick weren’t invested in Visma and Jonas notably then he’d not be involved in high performance sport. Plugge would fire him. He’s doing an exceptional job and clearly can see the phenomenon that is Pogacar more clearly than 99.9% because he’s paid to try and solve a problem like POG!
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I'm genuinely surprised and glad how Remco is keeping up/coming back. I may have underestimated this guy.
It's early days, and the tour is long. The high mountains in week 3 will decide that, but agree completely - nice to see him being aggressive.
Week 3 he loses podium spot. Calling it
If it was widely expected that Pogacar would have endurance/fitness issues last year because of his injury and time off the bike, why do we think Jonas won't fall off in the last week as well? Is it because the profile of the high mountains suit Jonas in the same way they did last year (hot, over 20k etc?) Main difference this year is that it doesn't look like Visma is strong enough to grind Pogi down before a final summit finish.
Like maybe the finish to Isola on Stage 19? Also, how much time would Pogacar realistically lose to an in-form Jonas on the last ITT? Or to Remco? Surely we wouldn't expect a repeat of last year....
I did forget...will Pogi show any Giro hangover in the third week. If it shows up....that's probably when. So...in theory...Pogi flagging late...Jonas getting stronger...but still recovering...and on a weaker team. Perfect chance for Remco or Rogla to attack!
I think its a question of under vs over trained between these two. What will happen nobody knows!
Because I want competition for the victory and will believe any theory that leads to the most competitive entertainment. 😂
I dont think Jonas finishes this race
It sucks that Movistar doesn’t have the money to have Ayuso as its leader. Ayuso is a mediocre teammate at best, but he’d be a fun wildcard leader on a team like Movistar.
I thought the same today!
#TeamRoglic never give up
Heart says yes, mind asks how?
@@emorhcelgoog oh i don't think he will win. but that doesn't mean he can't try with all he's got
Benji was sharp this. Episode !
Thanks Benji for standing up to the “Vingegaard will clean Pogi” propaganda. Even if that ends up happening, nothing about this stage gives any reasonable viewer that impression. C’mon now LR.
Patrick is so bad now... Visma is shit as a team. Jonas is the man, a god, but he needs someone to make a hard pace... Jorgensen is going to put Pog and the UAE super team to the sword? Get real. Remco and Landa are going to do the work for Jonas? I don't see it.
"We know what we need to do to make the plan succeed. But I’m not going to tell you that here... In that context, I’m definitely full of confidence. We believe in our approach, of course, also based on the last two editions, which went brilliantly. We’ll see,” the ambitious Vingegaard concluded. Jonas stage 15 raid incoming. 😏
@@andraznogometas10 If anyone could do it, it's Jonas, he's the best GC rider in the world. But this is not the last two editions. On paper and on the road, this Visma team is much worse. And UAE team is better. Presumably Pog is better with his new trainer. Is Jonas better? With the crash and poor prep? Hard to believe he is. But maybe, I wouldn't know...
To me Jonas looked cracked
@@00100Matt no best gc rider obviously tho at this point maybe the best tour de france rider.history will decide
Heart says Pogi for the Giro Tour Double but head says that it is still to close to call because Vinni will be strong in week 3. #TeamPogi
Pogi said in his race interview that he stayed in line longer than he wanted to due to the wind.... he chose to stay out of the wind and then he punched it - worked pretty well! His guys bickering - pretty funny...if that is the only thing they did wrong all race - all good!
Ayuso wanted to hide from his job. Terríble team mate
Almeida said the same: th-cam.com/video/6tMbMuUrE8w/w-d-xo.htmlsi=TVncGjvg9yfVEXfA
@@americosantos4324maybe, but he did then pick it up and did great to stay in there and mark g2.
@@americosantos4324 pogs didnt need him. let him stay fresh
That's a wild take saying Vingegaard will clean. Must admit, he looks stronger than expected and Pogacar maybe not as strong as I expected. However Pogacar still clear favourite to me.
Maybe he will! I doubt it!
Vingegaard will win, easy easy
Pogi has faded late in the last two TdFs, and this time he also has a Giro in his legs. It's not unreasonable to think that'll happen again.
@@mikeheywood7521 both times (Jumbo) Visma made the race hard for 3 weeks and wore him out. Not sure this line up can pace every day to do the same. Also not sure if Vingegaard wiill cope if they do beecause of his preparations. That's why I doubt it. Wouldn't mind it if that happens though, I'm happy with either Pogacar or Vingegaard.
How in gods name does Pogacar not look as strong as expected? He just made the best climbers in the world look like they were amateurs, What were you expecting?
how UAE was rotating the super doms in the headwind on the Galibier...i have not seen that! Of course u do that if u have an army of super doms..Visma has none
LR does hottakes for 5 years: I sleep. He does a hot take saying vinge will clean up: omg shill im so over it
Lots of new cry babies, no doubt.
Nah it's just becoming the visma pr and excuses podcast, pretty sad. Never thought benji would be the one defending pogi lol.
This detailed and professional analysis is so refreshing compared to other offerings out there. Thank you.
Jonas looked under pressure at the top of Galibier and completely spent at the finish line. Remco says he nearly crashed on the descent lost confidence and backed off. Right move. Does not mean that is a permanent situation in the future.
Pogi too strong this year. Vingegaard doesn't have the legs due to his accident and the entire team is off-form. Still second would be mightily impressive
I agree but let's wait, it's still week 1
these blokes are good. always insightful, always plugged in
Really hope for #TeamJonas, but in a bit of a doubt about it tbh 😂
So many prisoners of the moment. The definitive collection of stages are still nearly 2 weeks away from beginning. We really won't know much until the Stage 15 finish at Plateau de Beille. The isolated 1-day mountain stage efforts can't reveal the ultimate decider in the Tour -- the cumulative impacts and recovery on back-to-back mountain stages. I'm in camp Pogi, but honestly, we really won't know until the finish at Plateau de Beille. We'll get a hint in the Stage 7 TT, but it will be Stages 15 and 20 that will tell the ultimate tale. All this stage did was confirm they are still so close that it will come down to those big back-to-back stages late in the race. It's worth watching Jonas' post-race interviews today. He looks as calm and confident as he ever has. He is ahead of schedule on the Visma plan. You can see it in his expression and tone that he's actually surprised to be less than a minute behind at this point. Guaranteed, Visma's plan is for him to be taking much bigger chunks in the definitive mountain stages in Week 3.
we'll see
LR showing his Visma employer some love by thinking Jonas gonna win still. 😂
Defo biased....
claro😂😂
#TeamCavendish. I love Patrick’s pick for tomorrow. Funnily enough I won stage 5 on the TDF game win Cav in a photo finish 🤣🤣. Tomorrow it’s happening.
Pogi was riding conservative based on the fact Remco is on the second place. Pogi is more mature now and I don't think Jonas would drop him during the last week of long hard climbs.
I dont think Pogacar in Stage 19, I will comeback here after Jonas drops him by 2min in Stage 19
I think Almeida was the first one to pull before Yates. Yates came second and relayed with Almeida and Ayuso started after.
Ayuso was hiding in the back. Almeida was furious, never seen him behave like that, I thought he was a really peacefull guy.
Bora João!
We gonna have Ayuso vs Almeida for the Vuelta?
@@UserUnknown457 portugese and spanish hardly get along :)
I just want to thank all the animators and GC guys for great racing! #TeamJonas
49:25 Wow!!! What happened over here? Suddenly something went inside Patrick to make such a bold prediction
A cynic would say it was the cash that went into his pockets 😂 I'm trying to take it as another Patrick hot take and see how it will turn out but that one was surely way out there if you've seen Vingegaard's face coming into the finish 😅
Got an message from Richard Plugge or an SMS that the paycheck landed in his bank account. #TeamJonas
Jonas is at a very high level considering the crash and less than ideal preparation he has had.
I think Yates, Almeida, Ayuso, we’re all relaying, and Ayuso was skipping pulls, Almeida and Yates burned themselves for Pog. Almeida was the best today outside the demons 😅
"Flop like a fish, fighting for GC" is such a good description :D
About the Almeida- Ayuso dispute, Matxin said, on italian TV, that Almeida was supposed to pull before Ayuso. The headwind complicated things a bit, so they decided on the fly to rotate the two to keep a decent pace while letting them both save a little bit of energy
Matxin says that because Ayuso is his protegee but Almeida is stronger this year, stronger than both him and Yates, this will become clearer as the Tour moves forward.
Damage control. When your rider pacing at the front sits up and turns and yells at his teammate you know things aren’t going to plan 😅
@@indioshakAlmeida was the most impressive to me. He did many kms on the front in headwind and still managed to only finish like 20s off Ayuso. 👍
@andraznogometas10 18s to be more precise but Ayuso took bonification seconds. I think he is stronger too but he needs to prove that on the ITT.
I want footage from the UAE bus today in next year's TDF Unchained by Netflix. Please.
Did Vingegaard’s use of the 1x have anything to do with losing a lot of time on the descent?
I`m happy the fight is on, Pogi was full gas but couldn`t make a big gap, we`ll have a great GC fight
Pogi looking like he's got it in the bag, but hoping V makes it a close race
100% the UAE team tactics issue relates to Ayuso’s Ego and poor management. He expects to be the heir apparent. The second Pogacar. Off course he has huge potential but if you are Almeida you think he’s not technically better than me right now. Ayuso is hoping the illness he has and a ropey start is in the background as he podiums. He’ll tolerate getting beaten by Pogacar this year BUT that is how the guy is thinking. He is not playing Sepp Kuss for Tadej Pogacar. Yates knows in in his bones his leader is better than he (and everyone else) Ayuso still believes- hence arguments on TV at 2000m +.
Get Ayuso out of here! 😡
Just here to remind y’all that Patrick called out Jonas dropping Pogi on Granon and everyone called him a flat-earther. I still feel the ear rape from his screams on the pod that day
But Pogacar was really pathetic on Col Du Granon 😢
@@jackal6234 calory deficit, it was confirmed by UAE and I genuinely believe that story... as for col de la loze last year - poor nutrition (that's my not-so-hot take)
What a stage!! ❤❤❤
Jonas looked like he out everything out there that he had and didn’t worry about tactics. I’m with patrick, Pogi going earlier wouldn’t have meant a larger gap at the top. It seems like Jonas has threshold just not the snap under load. This should be no surprise given the accident. Hopefully Jonas builds form, and we get more fireworks!!
Not mention, pogi got the gaps by explosively accelerating out of those switchbacks on the climb. If this was a longer, straighter climb, Jonas has a better tractor gear.
@@lrh8197No chance lmao he looked cooked at the end and pogi got a 4/7 meters gap by sprinting after the switch
back then he gapped by tempo
@@17k3ra I would prefer if Pogi Won. Dominance is boring. But Jonas isn’t looking particularly cracked, and that climb suited Pogi.
descending is part of cycling, but that stuff was scary too watch. would have preferred a finish at the top.
if Jonas wants to win he really has to do it on his own
there is no visma team strong enough for Tadej nor the UAE squad to grind him slowly, and jonas alone can’t kill him with 2min already in the books, so but lets hope for the best🙌🏻🙌🏻
Agreed - last year everyone just raved about how Jonas smashed Pogi.. them they did not mention the team that carried Jonas.. where Pogi also had an injury (although not as bad as Jonas) but still... and with a much weaker team..
@@LadyBird-n2tTadej’s teammate podiumed GC last year. Such weak team lol.
pogs proved last year, you cant beat a strong team on your own
#TeamPogi
Guys just think how good unchained is going to be in the Ayuso Almeida fight episode!
Regarding their argument near the end on Jonas vs Poggy.... I agree with both of them, haha. #TeamJonas #TeamTadej
Patrick should go back and watch his interview with Remco talking about the 2021 Giro. The lack of training time doesn't kill you in week 1. It's in week 3 that it hurts. The same thing happened to Pog last year.
So if UAE had sent Ayuso up the road to try to roll Vingegaard, Vingegaard's best move would've been to just let Ayuso go. Even if Soudal doesn't chase with Landa & Ayuso takes like a minute, Ayuso would then be in yellow ahead of Pogi. Given the Almeida-Ayuso dispute today, which suggests that those two *do* have limits to how far they'll go to support Pogi, what would Ayuso in yellow do to UAE's internal cohesion?
Patrick, you can't let your employment for Visma Lab bias your predictions 😂
#TeamRemco
amazing race👋👋👋
Patrick’s Jonas bias is obviously understandable considering he’s employed by Visma, but it’s still annoying. Respect to Benji for challenging him, hopefully he continues to rub it in if Jonas loses more time 😅
So he can only have an opinion if it's against Visma? I think he's wrong but don't consider it bias or annoying, those are low blows.
Yeah, I agree 😂 I like listening to Patrick now that he's employed by Visma. Sometimes he says more when he withholds his comments tho (or I'm just hearing too much into it)
Patrick really shaken up...
@@patrickschellen737no if its reasonable, like it was until todays stage. But he is straight up inventing here
@@pyraxwhippa he gives his explanation we can agree or disagree, but that's not inventing. There is some merrit to the reasoning. But tbh most of all it's just entertaining if he drops this and we shouldn't punish him with nonsense about bias. I think the pod was a good listen and this claim made it more interesting. In a few weeks time we can call him out if he's wrong, maybe he's not 😉
Make up of the stages this year mean Jonas possible weakness wont matter too much. They have a heap if flat stages coming now. 3 way fight for the TT on Friday, and everyone rests during the sprint stages. Jonas rides into fitness. Climax on stages 19 and 20.
#Team Pogačar!!
Takeways: UAE's best coordinated team performance on a GT stage ever (surprisingly so, really). Also, the days of a rider getting on a TDF podium from a second or third tier team are over.
The Visma kool aid must be strong stuff if today's stage = Jonas cleaning house.
Jonas will go sometime with Ayuso, and Ayuso will help Jonas win the Tour - with Ayuso getting a podium spot as thanks!
Ayuso wasn't at the limit. He was saving himself. How could he cross the top 4 before the other GC guys. If he was pulling so hard like Almeida, he would have been with Almeida. It's showing, Ayuso has his own ambition. I honestly don't like the finish on downhill like this. Yes it's part of the sport. That's not an excuse to exploit the danger even more for the "fans entertainment." Remember Gino? They weren't even going downhill to chase yellow jersey. Imagine how's their family at home watching their loved one going down at 90km-100km/ hour in a lyra short.
#BotaLume #TeamJoao
If Jonas is growing into form vs last year due to accident…he did not lose much time at top of climb and lost most on decent which will not be issue in week 3…the Tour is far from over
So glad Benji stands up to LRs nonsense apologies for Jonas lol
LR is employed by Visma...what do you expect him to say?
Yeah Benji is amazing on this podcast
Although he did called out Jonas dropping Pogi on Granon when everyone called him a flat-earther
@@Jeruti lol who was calling him a flat earther? Predicting the team with Jonas, Roglic, and WvA would be strong does not a Nostradamus make.
@@robvettori9636 I think you’re forgetting what a huge upset it was at the time. Pogi was considered unbeatable
Is Patrick more confident in Jonas more due to the level he’s shown? Or from Pogacar hasn’t shown (aka not taking more time on today’s climb)? #TeamTadej
Mostly it's because Richard Plugge pays his mortgage
Jonas did not look good at the finish line.
Just out of curiosity, Cav is in third place for the actual ´´lanterne rouge´´ prize! If he can go really slow on the TT, he can pull it off!
Patricks analysis is missing one important fact in my opinion: Pogacar doesnt win with an incredible burst this year. The hairpin where the gap dtarted was 250m+ after his launch. However dumm it was, O'Connor stayed with him on stage 2 for quite a while. I think he sacrificed his burst to better xounter vingegaard. And since this is hos first victory over him in altitude, i dont think Visma should just shrug it off.
Headwind also played against UAE dropping more people and Pog launching earlier.
Anyway, just like last year we might be in for a battle with swings...
visma weak
The old patrick is gone 😞This is now corporate visma management employee patrick, any excuse is good: Not hot enough, nog enough climbs, too many hairpins, others outsprinting him for bonis, gravity on the descent. Somehow he is 50sec behind and Jonas still has the moral victory. If Pog is smart, no way jonas is still winning this Tour. Just stick to his wheel, don't attack, dont make stages harder then necessary and outsprint him every time at the line or for bonis. With the TT still to come jonas will be 1min+ behind at the rest day.
Is it only me or is Pog a bit of a wobbly descender in some corners? Visma has to send Wout up the road like in the past on finishes like this.
when your paid by Visma ya gotta say Pog will get cleaned
I guess Ayuso really came to the Tour to fight for his GC, rather than being a domestique...
no.white jersey
Guy's, While changing the sheets, I was listening to the description of UAE's domination of the field and thing's, looking ominous for Vingegaard and suddenly Patrick decided to make him the favourite for the Tour win. Did something happen? Did I fall asleep on the bed and miss a whole thought process that would make this make sense?😅
Tadje will win all three grand tours this year and everyone will say how great he. Jonas wins one TT vs a compromised tadje and they will beat the PED drums. So crazy!
Go watch 2020 TT and you will see the same exact thing. Go watch 8th stage in 2021 and you will see the same thing...the best get called out for cheating every year in cycling. Vinge aint spacial in that
#TeamTadej All Dej! All DAY!
Come on remco, you will win this, trust me
Pogacar will reach 35 before Cavendish.
He is averaging 3x per year. Needs 12 at that rate BUT this year he May up the rate…,
@@michaelgriffiths305 still, cant see anyone at the topfor ten years nowadays
I don’t really understand the co leadership argument with UAE. If Pogi is in the race UAE won’t let Ayuso or Almeida win the tour.
My power meter wouldn't connect. . .uh huh
#TeamPogi
Even if Pogacar wins in this tour, it is not a convincing victory..... it is just the.4th day of 3 weeks...there's a lot of things to happen...
I don't think there were massive differences in the technical part. not sure how you worked out he was losing a second a corner
why he didnt get the wheel n the first place too
@@freddieevans4906 the gap fluctuated continuesly, corner entry Vingegaard gained, on exit/straight Pogacar regained the time. He's just pointing out the difference in their strengths.
@patrickschellen737 lol you cannot trust the timings enough to analyse like that
@@freddieevans4906 but you can see their lines etc, so you can make an educated guess. Truth is, Pogacar didn't get a massive gap there.
#TeamJonas - seems Gerraint Thomas is on #TeamJonas too, after listening to his pod from Stage 4!
Form looks good. Will be better in week 2 and 3 - will see Pogi tire later in the tour.
TVL had a bad day… expect them to learn and improve - this will sting!
And… Jonas’ TT is under-rated…
Will see how Remco’s form is in week 2 and 3 - unproven against real competition.
The team should take Ayuso’s doggie away for the rest of the Tour
I mean Patrick has his reasons for such statements and to claim they're delusional, would be delusional. I certainly should correct myself and say that it is not annoying. Far from it.
That said - I'm team Pogi. 🤠
a little confused about the pogi stage 7 30second gap prediction. I thought jonas was a quality timetrialist. Is the stage too flat or short for him to compete w pogi?
First Jonas needs a team. I still like there team in theory, but they have to step it up.
TT will be very interesting. Last year Jonas wins it in my opinion. Also what about Remco, who should be favorite, and Rogla?
TODAY POGI GOTCHA!!!
🤙🇸🇮💛🇫🇷
#teamtadej
Agree 100% with Bengi here. Jonas was on the ropes. It is not similar to 2023.
Jonas was dead on the Galibier. If Tadej had attacked earlier, he would have lost at least a minute at the top.
Patrick is massively biased
Yep, he’s on the Visma staff now. 😂
It’s a shame as his biases show through now more than ever. It’s really dragging down the show somewhat but atleast Benji is showing push back.
IMO, it was a tactical mistake for UAE not to send Ayuso on the attack into the headwind once Jorgenson was dropped and Jonas was isolated. Make Jonas either do repeat surges to covering Ayuso or ride his own pace, but be forced to lead into the headwind with Pogi on his wheel.
@@biscaynediver I personally dont think jonas would have followed an attack by another uae rider that is not Pogacar. But they could try that in the coming Stages to attack the other contenders
@@pyraxwhippa Yeah, Jonas would have let Ayuso or Almaida ride away - he'd turn to Pogi "If you want them to beat you, go right ahead".... No way UAE is letting that happen, nor is Pogi letting that happen. Now Jonas... IF he had Sepp Kuss... would let it happen.
If I’m Jonas and Ayuso or Almeida attacks I’d for sure just let them go. Even if no other teams pull and Ayuso or Almeida take a minute or two, how would Pog react to that rider being so far ahead of him? And how would the infighting affect Ayuso or Almeida? If I’m Jonas/Visma, I’d fully call UAE’s bluff and not react at all to those two, only react to Pog 🤷♂️. Basically taking the MVDP approach, risk losing the race to give yourself the best chance to win it.
Visma knows first hand how that type of infighting can effect the team 😅
There’s no scenario in which Jonas should respond to an attack by Ayuso, Almeida or Yates. It doesn’t make any difference if Jonas is 2nd or 10th in GC, after 2 wins. If he can’t keep up with Pogacar, it’s over, doesn’t matter what the rest of UAE does, they are not his competition. After his crash, he should not kill himself this year, he can let the Pogacar stans think he broke him and come back even stronger next year. I think Pogacar wants to prove himself after two defeats and will not be this motivated next year anyways. #teamjonas all the way
Remco was indeed good and crossed the top as third, but what if Almeida and Ayuso wouldn’t have had to pull into the wind, would he still cross Galibier in third?
Similar/together…
Remco is the story here. Only 45 seconds down after 3 tough GC stages. Impressive TDF debut. Predict he'll be in yellow on Friday after the TT. If he's within 2 minutes for Nice TT, he could win it all!
he cant get 2m
the whole world knew UAE were gonna smash it, seeing as it was so obvious
#TeamRodriguez
Jonas does not have the team to hurt pogi in the harder stages right? Now just hope that UAE is not going to hurt pogi themselves and do the work for Jonas
#TeamTadej its comeback season
#TeamJonas I believe Jonas is better climber in really long hard stages, but it's very diifficult to proof it during the race.
#TeamRoglic
#TeamLandisimo
#TeamMads
#TeamJorgenson
#teamPogi
#TeamJonas
#TeamTadej 💪
If remco keeps up and does a good tt he cooks pogi #TeamRemco
He always cracks in the second or third week
@@cesc1495 still one can hope also if pogi wins and they start playing for podium it's gonna be boring
Personally I think the way Patrick is handling this is great. Of course he is biased yet what a job on the Pod! He is invested in team Visma with key advice and specifically Jonas. The way Jonas beats Pogacar has a very narrow landing space for success. Long climbs, cumulative fatigue. good tactics. It is what made 22/23 riveting. If Pogacar has lost 1.5kg and is at 7W/KG but is more powerful in the flats then he may just be better BUT we ALL have to wait and hope they tow the line in 2025 fit and healthy to find out.
If Patrick weren’t invested in Visma and Jonas notably then he’d not be involved in high performance sport. Plugge would fire him. He’s doing an exceptional job and clearly can see the phenomenon that is Pogacar more clearly than 99.9% because he’s paid to try and solve a problem like POG!
#TeamPogi . I still do not see Vingo will be able to finish the tour .
#teamTadej
#TeamTadej #TeamPogi
#TeamJonas jonas should not try to follow pogi fast punchy attack, just do his pace
#teamtadej