How the failure of Putin's Soviet warfare changed NATO strategy | Superpowers
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- The development of drones and surveillance and their degradation of Russian artillery and tactical nuclear systems will have major lessons for NATO nations. Defence Analyst Michael Clarke and Col. Hamish De Bretton-Gordon discuss the importance of robotics and generating a second echelon force with James Heappey on Superpowers.
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The AI system that's used to control the drones, please do not name it Skynet.
But you have to admit, the name would be appropriate…
🤔Skynet was built by Cyberdyne Systems for the US military. It became self-aware and launched a nuclear attack on Russia on August 29, 1997.
And pray to the Omnissiah that the AI, or machine spirit, is a bit more tested and educated than the one used in ED-209. 😅
Too late. skynet is UK military satellite network.
It will rename itself to SkyNet.
Thanks for getting straight into it.
Thank you Times Radio for this video. Excellent! 👍
Superb choise of guests, very informative and thought provoking discussion.
professor clarke ? blah blah blah
"ivanobrien" - - -> rus-bot alert.
A thousand AI drones, in Moscow, looking for a certain Grandad.
Judging by the amount of fires breaking out around Moscow recently the RVC and FoR legion are already busy looking for the Kremlin finger painter.
True son
@@Dark_Bandonwhy would you want fires in Moscow? You don't make any sense.
@@barriewilliams4526you know what else is true? Your front yard can (easily) look like Bakhmut w conventional Russian/Chinese weapons. This is also true: you don't think too far into the future let alone your neighbour countries like Mexico. Here's a hint: they wouldn't be another Ukraine. Because....they would be armed w superior Russian and Chinese equipment. Guess who participated in their military parade?
@@aachoocrony5754 You lot are really getting desperate. You can smell it in the wind: the scent of your fear and incoming defeat.
What these fine gentlemen are missing is the qualitative difference: in WWI and II, the technological differences between the various militaries were slight, but as we see with Russia today they are extreme. The Russian military today compares to Saddam Hussein's in both Gulf wars... where coalition air forces obliterated them.
If Nato air power was unleashed against Russia today, Ukrainian forces would be able to walk over the wreckage and continue onwards. There is no reason to think that we would need a second echelon air force.
The comparison would not be to the Somme or the Battle of the Bulge... it would be to Omdurman, where Lord Kitchener's army annihilated the masses of dervishers.
Or., more to the point, when coalition combined arms annihilated the Soviet trained and equipped Iraqi military.
Or when the US tore up the wagner group in Syria.
@@jimk8520 600 dead in 1 strike.
@@rc666 We warned them first, too! 😂
And that’s when Russia would use its tactical nuclear weapons.
Utterly deluded.
The point about the war in Ukraine is that neither side particularly dominates the air or the electromagnetic spectrum. So its left to an infantry slogfest. Even when the Ukrainians had the Russians on the backfoot in the Kharkiv counteroffensive November 22 their logistical support ran out after 100k or so of territory gained. When the western forces invaded Iraq, a single corp was able to march right through Iraq supported by overwhelming air power and logistical support. A better lesson might be drawn from the almost total failure of the recent Iranian strike on Israel.
Understand that nesting technology has already emerged in robotics, that is robots/drones can communicate to optimize goals. This tech is already available. For example, you can send let's say 200 drones and have them coordinate to bomb every 20 square meters over one kilometer square. If a drone is lost it doesn't matter as the survivors continue to communicate and coordinate to complete the stated goal. This is amazing in itself. Add AI to that, which the US has been developing for years, and you have truly powerful autonomous mass systems.
Look up using drones for lightshows instead of using fireworks. Awesome stuff
I want to see more Michael Clarke on Sky Mews again.
Very Good Info, Good Reporting , Thank You !!
What I took away from this was the idea Ministers have no idea about it.
The Russian central bank announced that it is moving from a floating ruble rate to a drowning one.
@Dalecroaker0k99p What's the difference between a dollar and a ruble? Approximately one dollar.
@@dpelpal 😂😂 Russia using ww2 weapons 😮
@@kevinmolloy9134 That must be why they lost all of Vovchansk😂😂
Last Thursday 20 June the ruble fell briefly to 200 to the dollar before the government closed the exchanges.
Please stop flogging THAT DEAD HORSE,otherwise I'd be forced to report YOU,to the RSPCA
>no second echelon forces
Finland with a 900k person trained reserve looks around nervously
What it's shown is that the industrial capacity to produce robotics and hardware en masse is the real key. Puts Chinese overproduction in a different light
The moment AI is mentioned I was thinking Skynet...
Super interesting, i hadn't made the comparison of the ukraine/russian training problem to ww2. I don't know if that really maps on to it but it's definitely a concept i'm going to try to apply to it as i learn about ww2!
AI weapons platforms. A scary thought.. Not just for the enemy, but for humanity.
Interesting conversation 🥳
How long before autonomous drones become out of control?
AI and 10,000 drones not controlled by humans. What could possibly go wrong?
Stay alert to the battlefield in Ukraine and maybe we'll find out. It's more than two months ago since we saw the first Ukrainian autonomous AI controlled kamikaze drones hunting russian armour and other types of vehicles. And a week ago there were reports on Ukrainian AI interceptor drones hunting russian FPV drones and others on the battlefield. It's not something that's coming. It's here. And the evolution is very fast.
Someone just enter enemy name and friend name in the wrong places before start.😮
@@Altinget Yes, it can be that easy, a simple human error. Add in a second error: Set mode to "target = drone operators", and they'll never make those errors again.
Great... Skynet here we come.
Hmmm, did Skynet endorse this message?
Excellent coverage of the war . Thank you.
I miss Professor Michael Clarence. Haven’t seen him latley
There's nothing super smart in saying that if the first echelon forces don't win a war, the 2nd echelon will have to duke it out in different, less sofisticated way of warfare. Everybody knows that if you lose pilots you can't put conscripts from the street, train them for a month and put them inside of an F-35, and expect them to dismantle an integrated air defense system.
That being said I think that NATO has a sufficient number of the highly trained forces that are capable to conduct a high end warfare for long enough to defeat Russia or China. And the war that NATO would be waging with Russia would be completely different from the one Ukraine is forced to wage. First and probably the most important difference, is the lack of an advanced air power above the sky of Ukraine. NATO would definitely execute an air superiority over Russia. If not above the whole battleground than at the beginning at least locally. And we all know what the air superiority means for the grunts....
its like we are rushing towards skynet
not having flesh and bone to protect is the biggest leap in fighting wars of the future.
Very good report
What are present barriers to the UK receiving necessary resources to invest in the ways the present situation demands?
How use it? So you need implementation and dissemination strategies to ensure the most efficient use of resources?
A good plan, basically?
Apart from Finland and Turkey at 8:52
Yes it's called radio
Remember all the great wonder weapons they talked about 2 years ago,still wondering where they went.
UK could be doing a lot more leading support (edit: in Europe) for Ukraine. UK is miserably failing.
In addition to its 1.3M active duty force, the US maintains about 600K in its reserve force (all services) and another 400K in its national guard (Air Force and Army). The reserve and guard have done a pretty good job over the last two decades of counterinsurgency and are equipped at a decent level (ability to employ/integrate combined arms, advanced C2, etc.). Some assets might be "partnered" with active duty (at least on the strategic airlift and refueling side of the house), so that might be the friction point assuming the Tier I forces are gone as this discussion eludes to.
I was under the impression many European countries in NATO had a compulsory training/reserve foundation, has that gone by the wayside?
Agreed, but what depresses me is that many countries have at least attempted an anti missile system to protect their homeland,
For example the USA with hundreds of Patriot systems, Israel with its iron dome,
We in Britain have nothing.
Yet... As he says... Intellectually we are more than capeable.
For instance, the new dragonfire laser system, tested successfully, and larger versions are being discussed.
It is an all weather system, and each firing costs around a hundred quid, whereas a missile would be 250,000 quid.
Dragonfire should be enmeshed in a new UK based all covering anti missile shield.
Taranis, successfully tested, will it be made, who knows.
The new 6th gen tempests technology reads like Sci fi novel,
A radar absorbing self repairing skin, auto drone wingmen,
Will it be made, probably not because benefits come before the defence of this country.
You're definitely no British. We have our own air defense systems.
The US Patriot system is useless as a missile defense system. Consider yourselves the smart ones because we're talking ZERO% interception rate v cruise missiles. They're effective only v planes. The Russians have demonstrated a 70-80% interception rate v cruise missiles.
@@Dark_Bandonthought so lol. Hopefully you won't have to use them because they're not stopping any Russian or Chinese missiles. The Patriot has a zero% interception rate v cruise missiles. ((N o w a r))
Up until the 1990s all our military branches had extensive recruitment/ training setups- that was a large part to enable quick second echelon standup should it be required- that has been dismantled even privatised as part of the peace dividend- the Sunak ‘national service plan’ would require it to be reconstructed, it’s not just about he young people but getting a pipeline in place for any future war.
Farage ignorance is baffling and dangerous.
best rethink
Farage's masters are who, the Kremlin?
Think Brexit.
It's deliberate. He has similar views to Putin, who also enriches the very wealthy at the expense of everyone else, and has destroyed labor rights.
Farage: "Maybe international politics aren't just black and white"
Propagandists: "No, it's just like the time the time Voldemort attacked Hogwarts, or avengers fought thanos. Deboooooonk'd!"
Stop the frame from moving it’s driving me insane
It’s kind of like how they used to have bows and arrows in England they’d like the boat or the arrow on fire
Didnt we see this yesterday
Good video. It's worth pointing out explicitly, since no one said it, that AI drones solve that "follow on forces" problem. The next round of AI drones will be as good as the first round. Or better, if battlefield data is used to do continual operational improvement. The second generation will literally profit from the data gathered by the first generation.
So, in the end it comes down to manufacturing ability, and the willingness to devote an adequate amount of that ability to the production of war materiel. If we're too greedy for our smartphones and game consoles to devote an adequate amount to preparation for conflict, then we'll run out.
No mention of air power in the way that NATO would fight this war. Stealth fighters and bombers would make a huge difference. With those capabilities, and general air superiority NATO would not get into an attritional war.
NATO's capabilities are overrated. Wars between peer or near peer opponents is attritional in nature.
Very cool. They use gps rtk I believe.
An ecellent analysis. Churchill had his War Rooms. I wonder what Putin has.
Putin has the Kremlin and its extremely deep and well protected bunker system. There will be other bunker systems deep below St. Petersburg and other Russian cities.
medvedev and his troll farms spouting lies and propaganda
Bath rooms
A golden toilet
It's not the high tech we need worry about, it is going to escalate, and it's a back pack or a ship arriving at one of your ports you had better watch for!
1942 and 1943 is when the battle of Los Angeles happened
The new manta drone revealed by the USA was massive it was half the size of an american destroyer, it also had massive torpedo bay doors
Technical and Industrial dominance..much the same as before actually.
Listening to these former military leaders discuss war tactics reminded me of the old saying: "Military generals and planners are always fighting the last war". For them to be discussing WWI and WWII tactics is a little silly as the nature of modern warfare is completely different from the days of tanks and troops marching forward towards enemy fire. Today's post-modern military should be focused to a large extent on aerial warfare tactics utilizing FP drones, Robotics, and UAVs in concert with PSYOPS and ultrasonic weapons thereby limiting the necessity for second or third echelons of troops, especially "citizen" soldiers. Future wars will be fought by highly educated cadets sitting behind consoles of battlefield visual instrumentation and technologically integrated weapons systems built around AI computers. Today's war in Ukraine is all about degrading the Russian military and exhausting their conventional weapons as the west has the upper hand on future warfare techniques.
if you say so. from here not sure what the west is actually trying to do but whatever it is they have failed. humiliated themselves one might say even. honestly never seen so many amateur discissions but the elite in my entire life.
amd then the warfare will migrate to the satellites in space that these autonomous drones depend on..... Ukraine has already taken out one of four sat dishes from soviet era
with what? you kids really need to stop making everything up. this is ridiculous.
But what is the use of all that if there are no longer people killed, only as collateral damage?
All talk at the table is not much of a proof of ability... Waiting for mighty Eisenhower aircraft carrier to go back to red sea... Running away from houthis just bacause they fired few missiles..... Time has changed... A small drone can take down a huge tank...
War of the machines Terminated 🧐 humans fighting machines in the end 😮
Russia didn't expect to encounter the javelin, bayraktar and drones, thought it would be a cakewalk, that's what happens when you don't modify military doctrine to fit the current battlefield
We're getting to the point in the US that we will need mandatory service to have those "backup" forces. As it is now, we are miserably deficient in number and skills to deal with this should it be needed now.
Not (just) Soviet warfare, but latter days' Imperial Russia warfare... as in Russo-Japanese war and WWI.
One side invents bows and arrows. The other side invents armor. The first side invents guns. The other side invents even better armor. Drones + AI versus electronic warfare is the same old story in new technological clothing.
"Let us begin with this evident fact: Muscovy does not belong at all to Europe, but to Asia. It follows that judging Muscovy and the Muscovites by our European standards is a mistake to be avoided."-gonzague de reynold, 19501 In methodological terms, one should de-Europeanise any analysis of Muscovy policy.- thomas gomart, 20062 "
Many in that region(E. Eur, W. Rus) are descendants of Vikings. 2- Czar Nick's wife was a German princess. Nick was a decendant of Queen Victoria
Why does Col. De Bretton-Gordon say 'nucular' when it is spelt 'nuclear'?
I saw the headline "Putin's ageing strategy" and thought the video was about Botox. Oh well.
HIVE Tech futures are now up
hmmm, one person controlling 10,000 drones? and what if that one person goes rogue?
hopefully he will be sent back to South Africa.
now tanks need anti air craft defense system to defend against anti tank weapons. most anti tank weapons have warheads and have low armor which make them easy to shoot down. thanks to computers being cheap that not too much of an issue.
The Terminator.
training for the future is called soft ware .
Fully autominous and not reliant on GPS. The race is on ! Russia beware you are outclassed and outnumbered.
❤Ukrainian ❤
Skynet...lovely.
That’s why Godzilla has to go
What ever innovations we make the Americans with their economies of scale are allowed by our Establishment to buy it up.
Good idea millions of Drones with AI capabilities more like autonomous robots and even better if there are self replicating.
So Skynet is coming.
robert sheckley wrote a short story in 1954 called "The Battle" in which Satans armies attack Humanity during Armageddon and the worlds generals send our robots to fight instead of people. The robots beat the demons and then Jesus raptures up to heaven all the robots leaving humanity behind.
As long as these 3 Gentlemen expose their deluded knowledge about the Russian tactics and future technology , the Russian or any of their allies have nothing to fear or worry about.
Care to expand?
He can‘t.
Russia is fighting a modern war,something we don't have an army to do.
We are all the same. We all will shortly reverse engineer eah others stuff. If everyone is producing, no need to steal. (War)
America already has that technology. AI weapons, AI robotic soldiers and pilotless AI warplanes already exist in American modern warfare arsenal. Putin would be in shock and awe.
Woof woof! That's some dated lingo, even in England; they're called cigarettes now 😂
These guys can’t think out of the box, and that box is killing as much people as possible. Tanks are almost useless.
Drone’s and information will be key.
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Interesting, thanks 👍🇺🇦🇮🇪🇺🇦
Technical superiority did not help Western soldiers in the Middle East. High-tech weapons require high costs. Money that could be used to solve the social problems of the citizens of their country
Drones are the future,cheap and very deadly.
Nukelar is not a word.
How come this man, a supposed bright and clever man can't say it right?
I guess Ukraine really would need AI drones in order to win the war as they don't have enough human resources/ soldiers. Russia does.
How? Everyone started to use cope cages🤣
Interesting subject, but boring format/delivery. got tired at 4:00
Finally the realisation that Drones plus AI = Drone swarms load with improved munitions & all connect to the main battlefield intel system . Yep its going to happen.& soon else Russia will either develope their own or by from China .
Drone swarming fed by intel from.a handfull of observerdrones connected the the battlefield intel system.
As for knocking down drone the US is working on micro wave EW & this conflict is giving develpers a live traini g ground to practice in .
Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦 , 🇬🇧
Moscow horde´s war record :-
1856 defeated by Britain and France
1905 defeated by Japan
1917 defeated by Germany
1920 defeated by Poland, Finland, Estonia and all Baltic states
1939 defeated by Finland
1969 defeated by China
1989 defeated by Afghanistan
1989 defeated in the Cold War.
1996 defeated by Chechnya
2022 defeated by Ukraine
WW2 won USA/Britain , meanwhile Stalin's officers were shot or sent to the Gulags. Millions went to the Gulags, including Solzhenitsyn
Moscow's only victories come from invading smaller countries :-
a) Hungary 1956
b) Czechoslovakia 1968
c) Moldova 1992
d) Georgia 2008
August 1991, attempted coup led by Gennady Yanaev
This is nonsense. This guy both has no idea about AI nor any idea what it takes to keep 1,000 drones operational.
Perfect example of someone having given far too little thought to the logistics of things.
STOP Recycling these great commentators words! People should listen to the full discussion and context, not just sound bites.
nmm is it
Waldorf and Statler are back !!!
Is this why Rusha' lost all of Vovchansk?!
Waldorf: "Looks like the Russians saved some of their soldiers!"
Statler: "Too bad they couldn't save the War!"
"HAAHAHAHAAA!"
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Waldorf: "I heard Vladimir Putin rides his horse without a shirt!"
Statler: "Really?? Beijing really is stealing everything they can!"
"HAAHAHAAHA!"
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Waldorf: "I heard the Russians have an offensive."
Statler: "You heard wrong! What's really happening is that the Russians ARE offensive!"
"HAAAHAHAHA!"
Lavrov and Medvedev
@@rc666 that is so so cool. Well done
Grandpa & the Kleptocrats never left.
Russia's argument that it sold Alaska to the USA under duress and is willing to take it back by force soon, is going to be strengthened if the US leaves NATO and finds itself alone with no allies. Trump's potential foreign policy strategies could leave America in a very weak position.
Wow , how on earth did you think this one up ?
I mean
nevermind the fact that to invade Alaska, Russia would have to take its military across 11 time zones, and try to invade a state that has more guns than people (and F-22s), but they would also have to do that while keeping a sizable mass of their forces in Moscow to prevent invasion
People who boast about the might of the "Russian Bear" forget the Alaskan Moose hunts killer whales
Ukraine have been forced to develop drones because they haven't been able to have an effective conventional air force.
everyone likes the new buzz word AI. where it is AI AND "Quantum Computing". AI is Digital. Quantum is Qubits or a scale of a millions of times what Digital can deliver. Far surpassing everything we have today including Humans. Think of Quantum Computing as being millions times smarter than we humans! Just the opinion of Computer Engineer of 60+ years experience
Im pro ukraine but calling it a failure while russia is conquering ground every day may be a bit the wrong word.
How much ground is that excactly. 250 sqkm in one year. Meaning hardly one everyday. On a 1000 km frontline that is one Meter a day.
Cope harder
Excellent guests, annoying interviewer, he didn’t half ramble on when asking a simple question.
are you not entertained...
Is any Russian citizens in the chat ..hows the prices of food changed since war or has it changed much ??
It has gone up by much. Many Russ couldn't afford much even before the war. My mother's friend even eats dog food to save money
@@dpelpal ooh gosh, that's awful why haven't they protested against war in thousands.. He's ruining Russia to depleted
@@dpelpal has Russian people got access to utube and sites like this..
@@dpelpal Dog Food is more expensive than human food in the UK.
@@kevinmolloy9134 I am in Samara. We use VPN and can watch any internet without reprisal. In Russia, we are paid Indian wages but have to pay European prices😓