UK general election: Sunak and Starmer clash over borders, tax and gender in TV debate | BBC News
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- The leaders of the UK's Conservative and Labour parties faced each other in the final television debate, ahead of the general election on 4 July.
Rishi Sunak and Sir Keir Starmer clashed repeatedly on their plans for tax and immigration, while facing audience questions.
They were challenged about integrity in politics in one of the last major set-piece moments before polling day next week.
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They didn’t clash over immigration. They mostly agreed and deflected. The small boats are a red herring.
Spot on
💯 agreed
I'm not a fan of national populism and I'm generally pro-immigration, but it's silly to conflate - as your comment does - regulated and unregulated immigration. It's also really foolish and actually extremely arrogant to dismiss the question of immigration as a red herring when vast numbers of the British and European public believe it to be a very serious matter indeed. It is by now abundantly obvious that failing to address normal people's concerns about immigration honestly just creates a vacuum which national populists capitalise on - if you want to combat national populism, start promoting honest - and moderate - conversations about immigration which don't shy away from the inconvenient truths... Failing that, the likes of Farage, Le pen, and Wilders will only gain more support and more power.
@@Bailiol I only dismiss the issues of the small boat immigration as a red herring. When compared to immigration as a whole. I am personally a fan of national populism. I can fully see where you’re coming from on everything though. Think maybe you read my comment from the wrong angle? Agree with you mostly. Perhaps our end goals are different though?
Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
اِنَّ الَّذِيْنَ كَفَرُوْا سَوَآءٌ عَلَيْهِمْ ءَاَنْذَرْتَهُمْ اَمْ لَمْ تُنْذِرْهُمْ لَا يُؤْمِنُوْنَ
"Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 6)
خَتَمَ اللّٰهُ عَلٰى قُلُوْبِهِمْ وَعَلٰى سَمْعِهِمْ ۗ وَعَلٰىۤ اَبْصَا رِهِمْ غِشَاوَةٌ وَّلَهُمْ عَذَا بٌ عَظِيْمٌ
"Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 7)
وَمِنَ النَّا سِ مَنْ يَّقُوْلُ اٰمَنَّا بِا للّٰهِ وَبِا لْيَوْمِ الْاٰ خِرِ وَمَا هُمْ بِمُؤْمِنِيْنَ
"And of the people are some who say, "We believe in Allah and the Last Day," but they are not believers."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 8)
يُخٰدِعُوْنَ اللّٰهَ وَا لَّذِيْنَ اٰمَنُوْا ۚ وَمَا يَخْدَعُوْنَ اِلَّاۤ اَنْفُسَهُمْ وَمَا يَشْعُرُوْنَ
"They [think to] deceive Allah and those who believe, but they deceive not except themselves and perceive [it] not."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 9)
فِيْ قُلُوْبِهِمْ مَّرَضٌ ۙ فَزَا دَهُمُ اللّٰهُ مَرَضًا ۚ وَلَهُمْ عَذَا بٌ اَلِيْمٌ ۙ بِۢمَا كَا نُوْا يَكْذِبُوْنَ
"In their hearts is disease, so Allah has increased their disease; and for them is a painful punishment because they [habitually] used to lie."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 10)
وَاِ ذَا قِيْلَ لَهُمْ لَا تُفْسِدُوْا فِى الْاَ رْضِ ۙ قَا لُوْاۤ اِنَّمَا نَحْنُ مُصْلِحُوْنَ
"And when it is said to them, "Do not cause corruption on the earth," they say, "We are but reformers.""
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 11)
اَ لَاۤ اِنَّهُمْ هُمُ الْمُفْسِدُوْنَ وَلٰـكِنْ لَّا يَشْعُرُوْنَ
"Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters, but they perceive [it] not."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 12)
Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
وَاِ ذَا قِيْلَ لَهُمْ اٰمِنُوْا كَمَاۤ اٰمَنَ النَّا سُ قَا لُوْاۤ اَنُؤْمِنُ كَمَاۤ اٰمَنَ السُّفَهَآءُ ۗ اَ لَاۤ اِنَّهُمْ هُمُ السُّفَهَآءُ وَلٰـكِنْ لَّا يَعْلَمُوْنَ
"And when it is said to them, "Believe as the people have believed," they say, "Should we believe as the foolish have believed?" Unquestionably, it is they who are the foolish, but they know [it] not."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 13)
Restore trust in politics? What a stupid question. They always ask such irrelevant questions when the country is dying.
Yeah, there is no answer for that question even if it is something that they intend to do
3:14 Kier Starmer: "If you listened to people and the audiences around the country more often you might not be out of touch..." Whilst Rishi was looking to me like a big vulture waiting for it's prey to die.
we don't want another Liz Truss Lettuce or Boris or Ritchie RitchSunak sinking the ship.
@@simulationkoyo decentralisation when
Brits and Americans are similar. We both hate the government but yet they refuse to die. We keep seeing these liars time after time.
The Conservative's record in office...
1. Highest energy bills in Europe.
2. Highest taxes in 70 years.
3. Highest interest rates since 2008.
4. Highest train fares in Europe.
5. Longest waiting lists in NHS history.
6. Raw Tory sewage pumped into rivers.
7. Lowest corporate taxes in 50 years.
8. Lowest State Pension in Europe.
9. Highest Immigration both legal and illegal ever.
10. Destroyed the NHS dentist service.
11. Brexit.
12. One failed Prime Minister after another.
13. Worlds shortest in post Prime Minister which created a financial disaster.
14. More corrupt MP's than any other party in parliament.
15. Europe's longest Austerity for the lower paid.
16. Highest Council Tax rates in the World.
17. Reduced our Armed Forces more than any other G8 country.
18. Highest number of MP's that have been arrested for sexual offences.
19. Highest number of MP's that have been sacked for corruption and Fraudulent acts.
20. Voted to allow Bankers to have unlimited bonus's even though the bankers caused the crash of 2008.
21. More libraries closed due to council cuts than any other modern country.
22. Ruined and destroyed the Train services by giving private companies tax payers money as subsidies.
23. Voted against Labours creation of the minimum wage.
24. Wasted billions of Tax payers money on crony PPE contracts for their friends and other Tory donors.
25. Sold off 600 Police Stations.
26. Sold off our Courthouses.
27. Closed then sold our Fire Stations.
28, Failed to fix - repair our schools.
29. Cut spending on youth services.
30. Court backlog is at record levels
31. Threw 30,000 pensioners to the wolves during the first wave of the pandemic.
32. Sold off our electrical grid to foreign companies.
33. Failed to build new affordable homes.
34. Wasted billions on HS2.
35. Failed to close Tax Loopholes.
36. Failed to build 40 new hospitals.
37. Failed to repair our crumbling roads.
38. Forced many councils into bankruptcy.
39. Failed to address the 4 million children living in poverty.
40. Cut spending on mental health services.
41. Privatised and sold off the nations Post Office - Gas - Water and Electricity Companies
42. Allowed BP and Shell to steal our Oil and Gas reserves whilst paying little to no taxes. (Norway has a Sovereign Wealth fund of over $1.6 trillion).
43. Sunaks failed RWANDA policy has cost approx 500m.
44. Increased the pension age.
45. Failed promise to end rough sleeping.
46. Failed promise to end Leaseholds.
47. Failed to Ban No Fault Evictions.
48. Failed to ban so-called conversion therapy.
49. Failed in their Levelling up promise.
50. Introduced Voter ID excluding thousands from voting.
51. Introduced the bedroom tax.
52. Forced disabled people to jump through hoops to claim benefits.
53. Britain now has more foodbanks than McDonalds.
54. Tried to implement fracking.
55. Failed to invest in green energy and electric vehicle recharging infrastructure.
56. Our National Debt is now 3 Trillion.
57. Failed to prepare or have sufficient PPE for a Pandemic even when it was No1 on the risk register...
58. Given free reign in Non-Dom billionaires and Media owners to cause societal division and fuel racism.
59. Promoted lunatics like Cruella, Mogg and Patel to high office.
60. Blocked the Russia report.
61. Gave us the highest diesel prices in Europe.
62. Closed and then sold off our onshore gas storage tanks to high end developers making the impact of the invasion of Ukraine worse by increasing the cost of gas.
63. Tripled the cost of University fees for students and locked them in their digs during the pandemic.
64. Grenfell.
65. Windrush.
66. Partygate.
67. G4S Prisons.
68. We are giving 8 million quid a day to landlords for migrant accommodation due to the Home Office go slow policy.
69. Little to no Border checks on goods and foods.
70. Sold the Farmers and Fishermen down the river.
71. Disgracefully breaking the law making bets on the general election date even though they already had insider information. They have no morals.
72. Sunaks disgraceful D-Day debacle. No respect for the fallen.
73. And they brag that they have increased Foodbanks 1000% since 2010 when they took over.
74. Sold the Farmers and Fishermen down the river.
75. Tories DUP £1Bn deal
About half of those are quite are positive things. And some are just incorrect. Maybe I will vote Tory after all, after having read that. It might've swung me
@@RogerMellie-yk3gw they robbed £17 BILLION from public taxes for a test and trace app, an app that can be written and debugged in a few days, they are taking people like you for absolute mugs 😂
@@RogerMellie-yk3gw This you Rishi? They are all terrible true things, and you can't name a single thing that's incorrect there.
DONT think for a millisecond LAB are better - it's a communist party in disguise
That's tories.
How many years do we need to even start getting out of such mess.
The absolute highlight for me, was Mr Robert Blackstone standing up and asking " are you two *really* the best the nation has to offer as a Prime Minister?" Bravo Mr Blackstone, bravo. Britain truly deserves better than this. We need Proportional Representation asap......
I laughed when he said this, probably the best question ever and the truth..
Pair of clowns, unfortunately it really is not funny😢😢😢
Come into politics to serve, Serve those people we as a party will not allow to pick their own local candidates😂😂😂kier Starmer 😂😂😂sunak😂😂😂
Not a useful question at all. They are the leaders and we have to make the best choice.
@@jonathanbower863 exactly, a choice between two almost identical perspectives, the system is rigged, which is why almost 45% of eligible voters will not bother...Western democracy😭😭😭
Why weren’t the other party leaders invited to this TV debate?
These are the two that are favourites to win
WEF plant 1 Vs WEF plant 2
@@alynwillams4297because of our poor voting system that is in desperate need of reform. What a choice out of those two parties! It’s predicted that Sunak is set to lose his seat.
I think it’s more a case that the BBC don’t want to give Farage any airtime. They’ve already had to apologise to him over remarks they made about him. So much for what is supposedly meant to be an impartial organisation!
@@Spar217 I’m from Wales and I won’t be voting for reform. Infact they don’t stand a chance in Wales or Scotland. However, I agree with you about the political system in the UK and it’s definitely time for it to be reformed.
Good question? The reality is neither Starmer or Sunak will debate with Nigel Ferage. Reform are polling ahead of the cons so he should be able to. He'd wipe the floor with them. After listening to Nigel speak so well these past weeks without notes, with facts dates and figures flying from his mouth I can see why they are running scared of debating with Nigel Ferage 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
It would be nice too see both of them lose their seats.
Considering that Reform UK has overtaken the Conservatives, why weren't Reform UK included in the debates, or this programme?
Cause the bbc are government lackies and do what they are told and the government don't want Nigel in power..... corruption at its finest just like channel 4 getting an actor to pretend to be a member of reform UK and say racist shit to smear the reform campaign....nice try but I'm still voting 🇬🇧 Reform
Why do you think 🙄
It's because Reform haven't overtaken the Conservatives. They only have in some polls but vast majority still show Conservatives as ahead of Reform and it is also because Conservatives is the current government and Sunak is trying to defend it from the Opposition, it's how it's always worked.
@@jimbob5144 Shhh! Let them enjoy their conspiracy theory!
Yeah, Sunak was allowed again to just talk over everyone.
Yep. BBC cooing that this was Sunak being "aggressive" - nope, that was just Sunak being an arrogant public school brat.
It's a sad country if those two are the best we can get!
Why didn't the presenter pull up the tories about the lies he been saying about Labour taxes when he put them 26 times highest
Also why did she keep interrupting Starmer but not Sunak, or call him up on repeatedly saying Starmer wasn't answering a question he had literally just answered seconds before.
It’s the BBC! Like Kuensberg and Bruce their presenters are biased in favour of the Tories every time.
Because the BBC support the conservatives, most people that work in the BBC support the conservatives, and they will never change, the debate was a farce, she had no control, and this is the best the BBC can do, shame shame...
@@R-11034 Ridiculously so! I used to think their bias was quite subtle, but in this campaign it's be blatant and unapologetic! Appalling!
@@lcg8220 You labour voters keep making excuses. The truth is Starmer is actually not capable of being a PM, couldn't answer simple questions and I have not heard more than maybe 2 clear policies he will introduce.
Tax & Gender in the same sentence how about that what a time we live in
Persecution of individuals in a free country is a very big issue.
@@partyringspartyit isn't, because it doesn't happen. Virtue signalling is an issue, though
@@RogerMellie-yk3gw As a trans person, it very much does happen. Within the LGBT community, we're the most targeted group for physical and sexual harrassment and violence. I've personally been targeted on several occasions, I've been harrassed on the street, I've had people throw rocks at me, I've had people scream slurs, and a group of people threatened to stab me. And that's in a relatively tolerant university town.
Trans women specifically are the most likely group of people to be sexually assaulted / raped. From 2022 to 2023 in England alone hate crime against trans people rose by 11%.
@@VacantIsland hate crime is a subjective term. Everything is considered a hate crime these days. And it seems strange that someone would throw rocks at you. What were the circumstances there?
Concerning sexual assault, it's much more likely for it to happen to a teenage female, than to a man that identifies as a women. For obvious reasons.
There's nothing wrong with being trans, but it isn't part if the LGB community. They concern sexuality, not identity. Two different things. No need to group them together.
@@RogerMellie-yk3gw "Hate crime is a subjective term," sure. Lets leave out that term then, and just consider violent crime, sexual assault, and property vandalism. Trans people are stll over 4 times more likely to experience one of these crimes than cis people.
You're also wrong about sexual assault being more likely for cis women than trans women. Look at almost any source, and they'd tell you that trans women are actually significantly more likely to be sexually assaulted or harrassed. Over half of trans people have experienced sexual harrassment or assault at some point in ther lives.
You say there's nothing wrong with being trans, yet you also said that trans women are "men than identify as women" and that it "isn't part of the 'LGB' community" because "they concern sexuality, not identity." So I think you're just trying to convince yourself that you think there's nothing wrong with it, when clearly everything you've just said indicates that you don't.
An ex-lawyer vs an ex-banker. It doesn't get much worse than that.
This has no real bearing on what Stamer is going to do or how as history has shown all too well.
Dumb and Dumber
Starmer would be dumber
Oh no ...they aren't dumb ,they are criminal traitors
Describes Sunak and Farage perfectly
😂😂
Yep. Lol. Cu ntan dcu nter
Starmer looked like he was going to cry at times, Sunak is completely inept. Lord help us
Vote REFORM then..
@@jhickman4735 Nigel Farage is just as responsible for the mess this country is in as the conservatives are!He whipped the Tories up, so David Cameron had no option then to give a Brexit referendum, which was always going to be a disaster.
A choice between a human rights lawyer and britains richest man 😂😂
He snaked his way into the position and doesn't have the skills to take it on he is working for someone else who we will probably never know
Churchill, famously, would cry at the drop of a hat, your point being?
When a politician says it’s is all fully costed you are being gaslighted, no government policy has ever come in on budget.
Do you know what gaslighted even means ?
Which one of the 2 WEF candidates will you support?
Not Mr, Calcutta
14 years in power, and Sunak still waffling lies.
I don’t blame conservatives I blame brexit
@@speedboostrthe current conservatives are made up of pro brexiters, other than returning cameron (who actually caused the disaster) almost all the cabinet were brexit supporters
😮@@speedboostr......Ffs , that's line is getting boring now .
They are brexit @@speedboostr
@Uno-1968 it will never get boring for me.. I can't escape this shit hole
I want more transparency in the British government
Yeah, I want a pet unicorn too…
Yes but, think; due to enemies, a country probably has to choose between confidentiality or public loyalty, balancing both is hard , m8.
@@N.E.L.Ltransparency isn't a step by step guide to.our enemies , we can be transparent with how moneys spent without giving away military secrets mate
Don't hold your breath. Lol. Governments don't do transparency
@@RogerMellie-yk3gw The more open our democracy has become the more easily it has become manipulated by foreign powers. Someone once said democracy will destroy itself.
These two don’t have to be our only 2 options if we don’t want to. Urge people to vote for the policies that align their values and needs. Neither deserve your vote!
Am I the only one sick of those empty debates?
There is no answer to most of the questions.
It is scary to see they are our only options.
No leadership always commeting on others mistakes rather than bring a plan to show better.
This country is doomed with these two.
Heard of the "fight or flight" response ?
Save Britain.. anyway you can.. 😉
Probably be fine, actually
Farage --- a vote that gets rid of the usa crap
Start cooperation as the new world order unfolds
Stop picking up the usa soap, and their desperate hold on primacy
The "axes of evil" are wanting western participation
BRICS+
Is continued defiance against reality accelerating the UK downfall
BRICS+ do not care about ideals, religion, or trade conditions. Nations can evolve at their own pace. Better than thou no longer works in the new world order
Western entitled affluence has met an adversary. A more just world where might can no longer exploit.
Do sanctions and stealing money not resonate desperation? Are threats and demonetization hollow? Do western pious ideals have a nefarious history, one that BRICS+ is offering a different, more just future.
10 nations + 59 on deck. A trade bloc that promotes share wealth more equitably.
BRI --- Create markets -- A Chinese initiative
Join --- help shape it
Why - why - why can't the west cofuckingopperate. Its all there for a better future for the planet and everyfucking thing on it. China has got the ball rolling, joining can help shape its progress.
Where are we now? Fighting over turf and resources. BRIICS+ can put it into a more equitable share - it is possible/
Think what a Tory Government has done for the past 15 years. Enough is enough.
@@simulationkoyo Labour took us to war twice and sold all our gold
If Voting made a bloody difference it would be illegal. Politicians should be of service and actually 'serve' not win power. Ridiculous nonsense
it's not true. Collective votes counts.
Ok Russel Brand... oh wait he changed his mind on that...
That's what the Tories want you to believe, you've been suckered in to the idea they are all the same.
Voting WAS illegal for the most of Britain’s history you dunce!
@@swn-rg2qg"collective"? You sound all commie like
Where can I actually see the full thing of this? Without commentary, analysis or anyone interrupting
Bbc iplayer
Sunak has followed the BigLie tactic. He was called Liar to his face.
Starmer is so straight he's a bore.
Sunak failed to stop a single boat.
Starmer has no clue.
We are doomed.
We don't HAVE to have either. Only those who vote liblabcon can be ans will be held accountable.
Dads Army. Captain Fraser. i think?
THEN VOTE REFORM UK
@@GearChangeGreg Peter Hitchens is right, vote anyone who has the best chance in your constituency, to keep Labour out.
Vote Reform uk
End of chat
No mention of the state of the health service, no mention of the state of farming and food security in the UK concentrating on illegal immigration which isn’t even a problem the figures are a drop in the ocean if this country gets much worse we will all be leaving on boats
It definitely fuel independence for Scotland and Wales. And nobody can blame them for wanting to leave.
The far right likes to push hate. You're concerned with social programs, so vote left wing.
And the people who don't know what sex they are and like the illegal immigrants everyone else has to change.
We will have 100,000 boat migrants at the end of the year at the present rate, all of which will live off the taxpayer
@@olifromsolly6007 thing is every country across Europe is experiencing this. The question we should be asking is what and why is this happening?
Omg can we stop acting like it's a competition between the only two people being covered by the media?? Like it's clearly not a competition when we all know who's going to win despite the fact we don't want either of them to win, vote reform if you have any sense left in that hollow skull of yours
The bias on display is nauseating. Why were the questions read from cards? Maybe because Sunak had pre-prepared answers.
Pretty sure the other dude had it too, he's ain't that sharp.
If this was run like the US versions then both parties were aware prior to going on stage, what the questions were. Both of them would have insisted on this
Oh look, it's another snorefest between the 2 cheeks of the British Establishment & the BBC calls this Democracy 😂
What a 🤡 Show!
The two cheeks 😂😂 Best comment I’ve seen this week
Im falling asleep ova here
Keir Starmer is shaping up to be the Tory PM the establishment wanted for over a decade. Poverty will remain, hope will be extinguished, policies masked by provoking Russia.
Vote Reform
@neilproctor5163 why?
Why’s the Conservative Party continuously talks about cutting taxes when taxes has actually been going up under their watch but they keep accusing labour of wanting to raise taxes?
I don’t really get this
Can someone explain better please 🙏🏽
We had a global pandemic and an energy crisis. Do you want starving families or tax increases ?
The Tories are narcissistic every thing they do or have done they project onto the credible opposition, hence the constant accusations by the Tories towards labour about tax rises
Because Labour are the party of bloated public sector (tax funded jobs), and Tories are the party of lower tax, less government. As proven by their income tax threshold introduced that freed people from paying tax on the first £12000 they earn a year.
@@maxdamagus. You’re having a laugh.
It’s gob smacking. Sunak spews a Load of Old Cobblers and people actually swallow it. Then if he needs to press a point, his knees start knocking.
Neither party represents the citizens!
They never have done really . Follow the money 💷
@consultant2678 and Reform does? What about their manifesto that will get rid of equal right and human rights especially for the LGBTQA+ community, how does that represent the citizens?
@@PrinceYamiUchihaCosplay that’s not true ! Give me a break another ridiculous comment. Just like the fake news reporting by Channel 4 with their hired actor pretending to be a Reform rep!
@@PrinceYamiUchihaCosplay You should join Ch 4 they also like lying making up nonsense!
@consultant2678 All I'm saying is that if you read Reform's manifesto, it states that they'll get rid of diversity and equality as well as get rid of human rights, basically I wanna know is how it benefits every citizen if Reform goes into power especially if a lot of the UK citizens are LGBTQA+ and how their equal rights and human rights are potentially at risk of being stripped away, that's all I wanna know
Sunaks final. Statement was don't surrender Britain to Labour.
People only surrender when they are entirely beaten. And oh boy are we beaten by 14 years of Tory rule.
If you think it's bad now, then give it 12 Months......
Nothing will change with Labour either.
@@Brian-om2hh
That's all it is a system run by clowns
Two supermarket managers arguing over rearranging the tinned food aisle
I can not stand conservatives and always supported labour, but Keir starmer is a joke and so is labour at the moment. Don’t like Sunak but he’s showed starmer up consistently
Whatever you do dont vote cons now 😂
REFORM NOW HAS MT VOTE FROM TODAY ONWARDS NO MORE VOTING LABOUR FOR ME
I want to see rishi and starmers bank accounts
No chance
Governments h#te us
Why, what would that change?
@scott_41
I would think it will be quite shocking
@@Letsbekind29 In what way?
@@scott_41 billion of pounds
Do your research
Education is a wonderful opportunity
so where was REFORM for this IMPORTANT debate???
BBC’s ‘impartiality’ 💀
BBC won't show reform Big tech cutting them
They can't get 5 percent votes , same like greens..
Ignore them
Fun fact: Google has been instructed by the current government to censor reform campaigning from search results. Using the ECHR human rights breaking "On-line Safety bill", created and passed by both the Tories and Labour.
BBC won't even recognise that Reform UK are a political party 🙄
I never heard so empty and boring debates
Why are they ignoring immigration
Because they fear it!
They talked about it in this debate
I cant understand why anyone watches the BBC
I can't understan why anyone is still giving the Biased Broadcasting Corporation it's money.
@@nightowl7459 Not me
Obviously u watched this debate somehow on BBC........can u at least give them credit
@@discoverayoutubechannelwit2510 It's a capital U if you can't be bothered writing that very long word "you" but there's no indication here that anyone actually watched the alleged "debate" just that we can't understand how anyone still watches or in my case, pays them for their extremely poor value service.
@@nightowl7459 Actually, no it isn't because, following your own logic it would be 'You.' So, Your sentence should read, "It's a capital U if You can't..." Oh, and you missed a comma between 'watches' and 'or.' As an organisation the BBC is a singular so the correct grammar is "pays it for..." Apart from that...
"Clash over genders" - that's all you need to know, Global South. There you go, free of charge. The Future!
That made me face palm.... wtf cares. We got bigger problems.
@@ExcessumGaming I agree that there's much bigger problems on a day to day basis (pot holes for instance) but the gender issue is huge because it represents the difference between objective reality (there are 2 sexes, a minute number of DSD [Differences in Sex Development] people, and some people who have gender dysphoria) vs ideological beliefs ("some people are born into the wrong gender").
This is enlightenment rationality (the scientific method) vs the emperors new clothes. Most people simply aren't aware of the fundamental importance of this subject because they haven't read enough or have just believed the propaganda coming from the "be kind" brigade.
There are 3 genders and always has been. Honestly, I was shocked to learn it. But it is true.
@@yeahbutytho126yeah you’re absolutely tapped. Don’t vote please.
@@formulaic78 Yes and women aren't so much worried about whether you call yourself a woman or not as much as whether you are likely to use that to attack them.
My sister and a friend have both been attacked in women's toilets by men who sneaked in and toilets are a favourite attack spot for perverts who know they can pin you in a cubicle without the risk of any decent men being there to intervene.
It would almost make more sense to make all toilets open to all so perverts don't feel they can avoid consequences from men who aren't into letting perverts rape women in cubicles than to just let in the nicer innocent trans ones and the ones who use the trans issue to gain access to women but if you suggest that then everyone suddenly remembers how dangerous that could be for women because there won't be decent men there all the time to protect them and anyway what woman wants a man hanging around while she is peeing and crapping and changing a tampon etc.?
It is hard enough to go to the toilet in a public setting full of women as it is. WE hate it. Girls go trough years of waiting until they get home to have a pooh because they can't relax enough to let one out at school which doesn not help with concentrating in class (ask all the women you know about this if hey haven't told you because you have to feel prvate and safe to do that and not like everyone is outside the cubicle - they will be peeing in the bushes and getting kidney disease from holding pee in with boys or trans girls in school toilets.
Allowing biological men who claim to be women into toilets means perverts will pretend that they are trans to gain access and don't even have to sneak in and can wander in anytime they like. Also this makes people blame trans people who would be harmless but of course they are just people and some of them would not be harmless anyway like in any other group and would be stronger than most women and a real danger to them if they are given access to women's toilets.
I think it's time we had single toilets anyway in a so called civilised society with their own doors in the middle of shopping centres instead of a big room with some little doors on cubicles etc. - Individual toilets would be private and in public settings where you can't get away with trying to break in etc.. We have some in my local town in the main carpark but they are so filthy so often and full of needles etc. that it isn't safe to use them either. WE are at the stage in society where you need people to patrol and check around toilets etc..
I am so sick of things going to shit. Where are women supposed to be able to take their kids to all go to the loo together when they need with buggies etc.? M and S used to be fairly clean and no junkie needles but the loos are very cramped and the queues are often very long. We have enough to worry about when you can find a usable toilet without having to start worrying about perverts wandering in to do as they please on top of all that.
It’s obvious… YOU VOTE…….. REFORM …… if you want real change …!
Vote for a political party with absolutely no track record? Really?
@@Brian-om2hh it’s not as bad in voting for parties that do not deliver, plus over 17 million voted for Brexit, the Labour leader tried everything to stop it, block it. Second referendum the list goes on SO WHAT is to lose….?? A pair of globalists standing before you… NO THANK YOU….
@@Brian-om2hhoh okay fine ... Let's just stick with these two shite parties for the rest of our countries future. Such an ignorant comment. New parties popping up everywhere across Europe. You want politics to evolve for change, not stagnate.
@@Brian-om2hhif something looks stupid and it doesn’t work then its stupid
We don't care about small boats, we care about people coming in on ships, planes, cars etc
Fvcking hell, we have a border 😱
They are destroying the country
just a vicious rumour......
2 very silly men playing at politics for the World Economic Forum. What a joke!
What is it with the WEF. They live off of donations and like the sound of their own voices. It was Sunak’s father in law who sat on their panel.
They are not "men" in my eyes.
They are "bug men" in my eyes
@joancooley1387 World Economic Forum is a very dangerous organisation. Remember "you will own nothing and be happy"? Same as World Health Organisation, very dangerous and definitely not about health at all.
Took me quite a bit of effort to find the actual full debate on iPlayer and was already annoyed because of that. Then within 30 seconds and before either had said a word I turned it off. The presenter stated that the audience was picked from labour and Tories and undecided, no reform, no greens, no worker's party etc.
This whole show is to give the impression that it's a 2 horse race between the party in power noone wants back and the party noone knows what it stands for other than anti Rwanda. Only 1 audience member asked the question, are you 2 the best we have to pick from?
You want PR? Push for PR.
@@mickeythompson9537 Proportional representation and direct democracy. Both are needed in tandem to get us into a representative democracy that the representative element is in regards to the majority of citizens. Not media influence, not lobbyists and not highly vocal fringe groups that disrupt our day to day lives to diminish our democratic system.
The Aliens tagline has never been more appropriate:
"Whoever wins, we lose."
I was gonna reference that Treehouse of Horror episode where whoever someone votes for, people are doomed plus when reading each party's manifestos, they show things that can positively impact people and some that negatively impact people and the biggest talk that's been going on in the lead up to the election is revolving around the LGBTQA+ rights and how each party is talking about them, people are wandering how it'll affect the next few years for the LGBTQA+ community, like will it be good that the LGBTQA+ community keep the basic human rights they fought for decades or will it be bad in that the LGBTQA+ community get their basic human rights taken away.
I just wish that people could get along with each other in this country no matter who or what people identify as instead of hating someone just because they identify as something other than heterosexual
Wet fish show
Clash over what they like but reform is coming so wasteful time
Wow. Reform and their predicted one or two seats. What a change. Lol
@@RogerMellie-yk3gwpredicted 18 now actually, a huge increase in just a week, time to brush up on your knowledge and face facts.
@@jaresteph Time to brush up yours. They aren't predicted 18 seats at all. That's absolute nonsense. They're predicted 2 seats. And they'd be lucky to get that.
@@RogerMellie-yk3gwyougov predicting 18 / 20 seats, far more reliable source than whatever you're looking at
Presenter referred to the five other parties' views in an earlier debate but only four elicited this time around. No rep asked from Reform.
Is this because they want to scrap the licence fee?
I'd love to know why immigration and migration has suddenly become a big issue. For years they've allowed people to come into this country, not speak a word of English, taking jobs away from the Brits and allowing them free reign to commit carnage on our soil. For me, it's too late to start talking about borders. Our country has already changed to accomodate other culture's at the the sacrifice of British tradition and its values.
It's beyond the tipping point, people are finally having enough that they're willing to take the labels on the chin to sort it
This is a debate that neither of them won, & tbh, most voters have already made their mind up anyway
If Rishi doesn't want boat migrants "on our streets" why have they been allowed into our country in the first place?
Because the labour party and the Lords won't allow Rishi to rake action
Because we keep interfering in their countries and we keep arming their countries so they can fight each other and we the unfortunate tax payers have to pay for it when we can't even afford to pay our energy and mortgage bills.
@@neelamacwan7670rwanda clearly was a fail
@neelamacwan7670 haven't the conservatives been in power since 2010? Dont they have a majority in government?
@@neelamacwan7670 take action my arse, they get put up in four star hotels off of my tax money!
The gentleman in the audience should go and contest. Both are qualified in their own right.
Net migration being so high is responsible for literally every issue we have. Filling up our schools. Roads. Houses Nhs and welfare system. So now we get tax rises to pay for them all!!!!
It's not. Conservatives got in power, cut spending, cut growth and that's why everything sucks.
Both the same both wef disciples .
Bbc bs bs crap
It's hard to decide which one of the two is the worse for the UK...
Get rid of First to Post, it's one step up from a dictatorship.
At the start she said that one of these two men will be Prime Minister, oh really? what a cheek to say that...
One of the two will be prime minister, how can you say they won't?
@@zyphonwhite9853 Because it implies that no other party can win.
@@formulaic78 no other party can win in any capacity, that's the issue with first past the post
@@zyphonwhite9853reform could win
We don't care about petty tax cuts. The country is falling apart. In the words of Armando Iannucci "Just get the shit out of the rivers" we just want things to work
and net migration being so high is the cause of literally every issue we have !!!!!!!!! You want more taxes so we can pay for even more people coming in and fill up our schools. Nhs. Roads and houses ?
🤡🤡Choose a clown form these 2 is not democracy
Write “I do not consent” through every name on the ballot paper
It's all the Tories have got, so we've been hearing that a lot.
@Dan-zs8pk Listening to too much Farage I see. Immigration is not the link to every one of our issues. There's countries with much larger populations than ours which have perfectly working roads, health, education etc.
Think immigration is too high? Government issue. Want less boats? Government issue. Roads not fixed? Government issue. Etc.
Where’s the full version?
What we learned was neither will do anything about immigration Sunak thinks it a good idea to take benefits from the disabled because he knows better than GPS
I did read about how Sunak was to strip disabled people of their benefits and to get them into work, I get ADP for my ADHD and Autism as those are my disabilities and it has affected me in looking and applying for any type of job in the real world to the point that I've been declared legally unfit for work so I have to be on Universal Credit for the rest of my life all because of the circumstances I have, even if I'm trying to figure out a way to find a side hustle that won't impact my benefits but I have zero luck
This is the bbc -- so forgive me if I go and check this actually happened -- with a real news channel
i only watch fox because they tell truth, vote for emporer trump and he will sort out the uk, uk is small place its easy for trump to fix
That's why we pay for our TV licence so that we can watch only two parties in our great democracy.
🤔🤔🤔🤔
Cancel the brainwashing tax and report the BBC and their threatening letters to the relevant people 👍 defund the scummy BBC now
Because they sadly are the only two the matter. We need PR
@@phoenixwright1296really why?
Why are you still paying your TV licence to get a narrow view of the world.. one decided for you....?
TV Licence nothing to do with Proportional Representation, or the lack of it.
Grab your MP, whoever it turns out to be, and pester them into supporting PR.
Netanyahu makes these 2 look like Wallace & Gromit
Only two choices?
F the licence fee.
Absolute clowns get them out vote reform
Wow... St petersburg is working overtime on bbc comment session.
😂 people who see through the constant gaslighting and left right paradigm are instantly russian?? You sad sad little sheep
Grow up and educate you bloody self.😊
You mean Moscow?
Yeah, sure. A bit like when 17 million Russian-bots voted and out right won the Brexit referendum.
I was thinking the same.
So much Reform shite being posted. Nigel didn’t visit the Russian Ambassador and forget about it by accident.
Why not upload the full thing on TH-cam rather than BBC iplayer? TH-cam has a comment section and it’s a good way for the public to call out lies. Especially considering the fact that the UK parliament has basically been Shakespeare in the park for the upper classes for the past few years. 📘shutdown!
The 'calibre' of our so-called leaders is woeful.
No response from Reform? Farage for PM
Hello Nigerian bot
Fararse couldn't get elected 7 times, let's see how he does on his 8th try.
Clash of the tosser's!
You don't need an apostrophe for non-possessive nouns.
The tosser's what?
Its like watching Thunderbirds
Without the strings 😂😂
I need to put them person this two back hand leader put in behind the bars.
Nigel should have been in the debate.
He would've livened it up and injected a bit of sense.
Lib dems are predicted to get triple of the seats of reform. Why invite forage?
This is now a state of emergency. Your country needs you to do your duty and vote REFORM. Say no to the 2 party political merry go round of corruption, lies and broken promises.
@@willharris2278 so we should all vote for a party who wants to get rid of equality and human rights for people who aren't heterosexual?
Why do our leaders try to appease the monority but ignore the majority.
I need an episode, spiting image pleaaaseee
Sunak is rude and talks large, yet they have screwed everything for 14 years! Where’s the missing billions Rishi?
Nigh on 3 Trillion now. Sticky fingers.
His sense of entitlement.
They know exactly where that money is, it’s not missing. It has been turned into luxury McMansions and Super Yachts for for TORIES.
@@coppershark1973wasn’t going to let Zelensky have all the spoils.
Sounds a bit whingy. Life's actually pretty decent. We're not in Ethiopia
Starmer has a coke blocked nose at all times
☠
its not coke, that's how you sound when you have your head up your own ass
He's not that cool
Defamation
Starmer can't afford coke - with Sunak it's like sherbert.
How could you become an audience member for this? I was on BBCQT when that was in Nottingham, but couldn't find a way to apply for this?
I'm off to buy a dinghy and head to the continent!
The Conservatives wasted so much money on Rwanda, the French border, COVID-19 PPE etc. I could go on and on. Sunak is talking rubbish, why did he mention about Taliban? Sunak is such a liar.
Ukraine ?
Bye sunak what a jerk.
For me personally I'm kind of gonna miss Rishi but I know alot of people will be relieved any way good luck to his new job whatever that will be.
Rishi sunak best prime minister
Where can i see the full debate??
Are there only 3 candidates in the UK elections? Why don't I hear about anybody else?
Starmer was right about immigration being highest even tho labour opened the borders.
Sunak was right about labour raising taxes and not being able to do anything about immigration.
My conclusion....vote REFORM 4th july 🎉🎉🎉
Labor opened the borders? In what 2009? Illegal immigration exploded under the cons not labour. Labour raised taxes? How? There are people almost at voting age who have never even lived under labour.
Keir just tells you what you want to hear he is the best of Deceivers,
Sounds like every politician in the world tbh, they'll say something just to grab votes and by the time they get elected, nothing and people wonder why the person got elected
Where can I watch the whole debate please 🙏🏼
@@musicshack7296 BBC iPlayer
Where are the leaders in this debate? Did the bbc forget to invite them?
A complete waste of time between two Party Leaders that I certainly won't be voting for
and nor will many others. Where was Nigel, who is drawing big crowds and getting among
the public unlike Starmer and Sunak who are both avoiding the public, preferring useless
photo opportunities.
im voting for monster loony ravy party guy, farage is too mainstream he supports tony blair and lockdown
@@drinkwater9891 They all voted for lockdown. It just took some of them a while to wake up.
@@drinkwater9891 They all voted for lkdown. It's just that some took a while to wake up.
@@deejohn1659 well i dont vote for any of "they" then do i lol
@@drinkwater9891 M.R.Loony Party. Well that's a complete waste of a vote and vote for the Wefminster lot.
How come the debate isn't on iPlayer?
Only came here to comment this. The two leading candidates were not on that stage tonight, Mr Farage should have been there too and everyone knows it.
Reformmmmm
Vote Reform. Vote nigel farage
Simple : Oxbridge has clearly failed British politics!
Was that a child screaming @ 7:56 because BBC staff were in the house ?
"Maybe if the Prime Minister would listen, he won't be so out of touch with the country".
Yeah.
You know the UK is doomed when these two clowns are the only candidates🤡
I couldn't agree more , quite embarrassed tbh . What have we come too . Its so sad .
They're not the only candidates :)
Luckily they aren’t though. Reform!
@@TheManInBlueFlames Even after Boris, people still can’t see Nigel is lying and playing them. So sad
Rishi sunak best prime minister 👍