I got more educated on half a year of youtube and I am still going strong. People often says to me I am well articulated, I already know its because of Jordan Peterson's videos. Even better than that, he helped me to organize my psyche which is really important to me. We can see in a lot of aspects that our generation is having a lot of societal problems and still we didnt learnt in school enough about it. It should prepare us to be better individuals but it doesnt even give some advices or anything useful. Most of th things that we needed to learn just went directly to the trash and its not even because I dont love learning I just hate how high school is about pure memorization. Im glad that in College its more serious and you can actually learn useful things.
@@louismart That's an exception, the irony of his life is he was decisively defeated by the roman twice by germanicus and murdered by opponents within his own tribe who felt that he was becoming too powerful.
I am eternally grateful for my mother for homeschooling me. She had 6 kids and homeschooled all of us and encouraged us to go to college. When I was a teen, I would sometimes cry when my friends who went to public school would tell me the things that happened to them at school. The things that they experienced were appalling. I escaped that terrible damage because my mother loved me enough to homeschool me. My mom has been scorned and called "over protective" which angers me. So loving me enough to remove me from situations like bullying, drugs, and porn is "over protective?" I can't thank her enough for saving me from the public schools and a damaged childhood. God bless you mom.
Vivienne Campbell , you are amongst the few blessed kids to have such a dedicated mum ! Homeschooling mums need to receive the praises they deserve !!! ❤ Dont fear the future and how you would fit in because you were raised as " those that make it happen against all odds" Whole communities were against our choices but we raised great children that are the envy of their time !
I was one of the nay sayers thinking homeschooled kids were weird. I am now a homeschooling mom because I know first hand that the school system is broken and overpopulated. As a parent, I disapprove of it. As a student, I saw the freedom it gave me to misbehave in ways my mother never would have allowed.
All the trauma I’ve had in my life came from other kids in my public schooling. Not from my family. I wish I had been homeschooled. Instead I grew up worrying about how to fit in which led me down all sorts of paths I didn’t need to go down.
Justin Smith I don’t know, certainly not for everyone. Have a friend who was homeschooled, and he lives like he’s a teenager living in 2004 but he’s 25 and can’t do basic math, and literacy comprehension is quite low. But he speaks well enough and is a 2nd degree black belt in Teakwondo so clearly has skills outside the academics.
I was amazed by the people who would challenge me about homeschooling, as if I hadn't spent hours and hours reading books, talking to my husband, talking to people who had themselves homeschooled, learning everything available to me about a choice I was making relevant to the people to whom I owed the highest standard of care. I guess that isn't always the case with parents. Many people never question societal norms. I was lucky enough to have learned early in life I remember one mother challenging me. She'd been able through all sorts of machinations to have a child late in life, a baby miracle, whom she promptly dropped off with all manner of caregiver at the ripe old age of 6 weeks, so that she could maintain her lifestyle. Go figure. Anyway, I am so loving this comment section.
@@maritlebliss Absolutely!! you'd be impressed with the level of ignorance throwing stones at u for deciding on whats best for your kids.. the world needs diversity i guess
I'm fifteen, been homeschooled all my life, and not for one second have I considered attending public school. The kids I know who do are overloaded with homework and stressed out all the time, there's an incredible amount of pressure from teachers and peers. Meanwhile I learn at my own pace, studying what I know to be important. Kids need to be kids. People worry that I don't socialise enough, but it's better to have a couple of decent friends and your head screwed on right than to have plenty of friends and your priorities in all the wrong places. I know too many people whose lives have been messed up because of bad influence from school. I'd rather be safe and sound at home with my parents and siblings. Edit 2023: I still get many responses to this comment years later. Some people are very positive and others negative. I am about to be eighteen and have worked in education for the past two years, first as a volunteer and now an employee - if I were a public school kid, I would still be in year 12 rather than making money and gaining valuable experience. The school I work at has a better reputation than others around yet I still could not picture sending my own kids there and hope to quit education and move on in the near future, as the education standards do not align with my own values. The children are bored and learn very little every day. They are told not to question teachers. They have only a small percentage of the freedom I had at their age and the longer I see this happening, the more I realise school - at least the way school is run generally - is an unnatural and stifling institution. Children deserve better than this. Homeschooling has only shaped me positively. I was able to develop my hobbies to the point that I believe they may lead me to real professions one day, and it wouldn't have been possible in the school environment. I may seem young and biased, but I am not totally inexperienced and I know my own mind.
You’re very bright! I was homeschooled all my life, with the exception of a couple of days in the 9th grade to test out traditional high school and then ultimately went back to homeschooling. I am so grateful for my upbringing now, as an adult. I love learning and have never felt like it was a chore.
@@purpleboy4949 I understand that there are good schools and bad schools, but the majority of high schoolers I have met are miserable phone addicts. The high school bus drops kids off right near my house and most of them don't even bother to make eye contact or respond when I speak to them. I just see what I see and I don't like it. It doesn't look so good for the high schools, in my opinion, when they boast of their accepting environment and eager students while the kids are too busy dealing with social pressure and issues around them to even care about learning.
I was homeschooled from the 8th grade on. I begged my parents to homeschool me. And it was honestly the best decision of my life (this far). I got a good taste of what public school is like, I got social skills, and then I got out. I ended up graduating 2 years early and I had my AA by the time I was 18. AND because of homeschool, I worked almost full time for a lot of my teen years, which gave me real world experience, and a good savings for starting a successful adult life. My best friend did the same thing, and neither one of us regret it for a second. The pros far outweigh the cons.
Yet it is not suitable for most children. Homeschooling will deprive normal children of the social environment that school is. It is not only about learning but also a place to make friends (sometimes for life) and bonding with other groups of people that you would not encounter if you were homeschooled. Something Peterson should also have mentioned.
The socialization argument is no longer valid. Homeschool is becoming more mainstream and there are plenty of social groups dedicated to homeschooled children. Some people think they have to send their children to school as dictated by the government. Some people are not educated themselves and cannot teach them what they need to know. Some people are just plain lazy or would rather have two incomes than get by on one. High school socialization cannot compare to socializing with children who have been brought up to respect others and be accountable for their own actions. As a bonus, they do not have to be forced into accepting a teacher's own views or curriculum not accepted by the parents.
There's a progressive series of errors when assuming "humans" are all the same. There are several levels of amount of intelligence, knowledge, health, beauty, etc. that will make people's living experiences very different, within the same scenario. Obviously someone with intelligent and caring parents will be better off being educated by these people. Someone with an ex-prostitute for a mother and an ex-drunk prisoner as a father , will benefit for going to public schools. Is there a real benefit for people in higher living standards to get a close experience to "the underground"? Learn what it's like to be a crack whore? To be in fist fights? To spend a few months in prison? Surely these are all "strong life lessons", but is it really worth it? When you already have functional concepts working for you, is it really worthy to test several other hypothesis that have 99,9% empirical evidence that perform less efficiently? The problem is (now... that is the problem) most people do not have enough resources to function too well in our current society (brain power, intellectual capacity). One of the main reasons for that is the fact that most people come from "peasant cultures", or what I refer to as _the serf mentality_ . It is, generally speaking, a set of beliefs that trap these people in the position of inferiority. They have always to delegate authority. It is a general belief that they must depend on others to decide and regulate the social system. The only reason why governments work is that the majority of people believe things must be this way. The peasant mentality is like a poison to people who have the intellectual potential to be in higher positions (more civilized, more in control of their own lives). It drags people down, it lowers I.Q. That's basically what's happening everywhere with this "political correctness" and "everybody is equal" ideologies. They are beneficial to masses of lower I.Q. people with peasant mentalities, but they're an affront to people above a certain level of knowledge and intelligence.
Well Yeah. I went to a co-op as part of homeschooling once a week. I had to get along with Mennonites, Quakers, Calvinists, libertarians, young kids, older kids, you name it. I feel like I could get along with other people better than public schoolers. In public school everyone wants you to agree, but in homeschooling, we were all fine with agreeing in one thing, that we were glad we were homeschooled.
I hated public school. I was bullied so badly in 8th grade that I was 24 before I could talk about it. All this talk about homeschoolers not being socialized...I had no social skills. My peers were having sex at 13. In high school, drugs were prevelant and sold by the guidence counselor; the hallways belonged to different social groups (jocks, preps, skids, grundge...) and you didn't walk where you didn't belong. I started smoking at 14 because I needed to fit in somewhere and ended up on the smoking hill with all the rejects who couldn't find a hallway that would accept them. I would have sold my teeth for homeschooling.
I think 'socialised' is merely a code word for being brought into conformity with one's peers. Everyone knows kids are becoming increasingly degenerate at increasingly younger ages. This ensures they embrace the hyper-consumerist lifestyle waiting for them out in secular, Godless society.
tvzuropa If you are diligent and organized then you are making the best choice. Help your children become the best versions of themselves. The only caution I have for homeschoolong parents is don't shelter your teenage kids otherwise they will not be prepared when they leave home and are bombarded with a secular world that seeks their destruction through hedonism.
I now homeschool my 4 kids and wish that I had this same type of childhood. I went to public school and feel like I missed out on all of this beautiful family time and creative learning.
A common paradox often not confronted: Person: Homeschooling kids don't learn how to properly socialize. Every School Teacher At Some Point: Settle down. You're not here to socialize.
That’s a little bit disingenuous. Kids learn to socialize through classroom activities as well as outside of the classroom during free time. Homeschooling doesn’t give children the same access to other kids and differing adult opinions which has a tendency to stifle emotional growth.
Joyne Freedom I suppose that’s fine while the child is younger, but once they reach a certain age, I feel that it’s better for them to have a wide range of unstructured social interactions. You can’t provide the type I am talking about. I think homeschooled children are homogenized and many tend to lack personality because they are exposed to life in a bubble. I spent pre-K to 6th grade in an environment similar to homeschool. I hated it and asked to be put into regular public school. I realized I was very out of place and it took me several years to be able to integrate with the other children. My sister continued through that private school and I’m not sure she ever became properly socialized. She hardly has any friends at 34 years old despite all the extra curricular activities she was a part of growing up.
@Joyne Freedom who is supposed to be the one to teach the children? The parents (Deut. 6:4; Proverbs 6:20-23). No one should steal them away from the protection of their father and mother no matter what preconceived ideas they have about home schooling are. We don't need preconceptions about public or private schooling, we can see it happening before our eyes on the news and with our friends everyday, and I know I went through the whole public system. Hopelessness and godlessness and the masses of people who have attempted suicide. Watch Exit the Movie free at www.fullyfreefilms.com for more info.
Left-handed Texan nothing wrong with teaching kids the reality that we live within a controlled govermental system. They need to learn how to live in it.
@@karaa7595 "We live in a corporate drone system, they need to learn how to stay in line and be corporate drones" How about no? Let kids learn true things, self-study and be free thinkers. These are the people who will change the world. I only started in highschool, but I'm one of them. Conformists should fear us. We are breaking your chains, and our children will never feel those chains on their wrists. Your cozy little dystopia is falling apart. Get ready. Freedom is rising.
I was homeschooled. It is what made my childhood wonderful, imaginative, creative, carefree, and joyful. I was free to learn, play and grow on my terms. Public school robs people of their childhood, their sense of personhood through free thought, an emotionally stable future, and lifelong curiosity.
My homeschooling experience was just the opposite. What's good for the goose isn't always good for the gander. But I'm glad to hear yours was a success
@@MrsGarzilla if you were homeschooled, doesn’t that also mean you didn’t experience public school? And If you didn’t experience public school, why is your opinion of it valid?
Man I went to schools, had a great childhood, found a career i love and am constantly learning new things afterwards even outside my career. Its really not that bad.
I was a Home school teacher for some eleven years for subjects the parents of my local homeschooling group did not feel capable of teaching. I can say without reservation that the home schooling students I met were far more socially mature and academically advanced than any government schooled kid I ever met. The reason for this is simple (once I figured it out). From whom do kids learn to be successful adults? From adults obviously. Who spends more time with adults, Home Schooled kids or Government schooled kids? This is not quantum physics.
@@floofzykitten5236 depends on how many kids in the family and whether or not the child went to any outside classes, which is fairly common. Regardless, the student teacher ratio in homeschooling is much smaller for sure.
The question is then asked, "socially mature in what sense?" I can honestly say I was more "socially mature" with adults at the age of 14, 15, 16, 17, but when I was with my own age group, I was ignorant. This is completely true of homeschool kids. The greatest thing a public education provides students is interacting within their own peer group. The education they receive is completely useless, meaningless, and irrelevant. I can safely say that a fifth grader can go straight into college and outperform the vast majority of high schoolers, given the fifth grader's time for maturing. In all honesty, the less time someone spends learning the material taught in K-12, the better.
Homeschool is a parental commitment hence both parents probably don't work. State school is child care to enable both parents to contribute to society whether they seek social advancement or seek to meet the basic needs no longer possible with one wage. Mix unruly kids in the homeschool environment and everyone fails. Social engineering obviously works through pupil selection for homeschooling which isn't much of s surprise, hence the grade inflation through focused peers. You haven't beaten the system by fixing your pupil selection. Then there's the spectre of parent led indoctrination which, as Peterson suggests, can be even more malign than the states, especially when group think indoctrinates, which appears possible if multi parent teaching is being offered to cover all academic subjects. There is a process of problem, consequences, and cause, when thought of in reverse, and I don't think homeschooling addresses the cause or causes. It's more complex at heart.
“Far more socially mature” that is a bold statement that I don’t believe and I don’t believe you truly believe, and I feel you are using that to support your opinion with out actually thinking if it is true or not. Also based off of the conversations you’ve had with other people who agree with you, it helps you tell yourself that you’re right,because you’re just want to believe it. It’s just not true though. I was homeschooled up until 4th grade then private school, 6th and 7th- homeschool, 8th and 9th public, 10th homeschool then 11th and 12th college.....in general, if I think hard about it what I truly observed, there are a bigger percent of homeschooled kids who are socially awkward (I went to a one day a week homeschool program each year I was homeschooled, I know. ) I just feel like you’re telling yourself that’s the truth because you want to have that opinion. Be honest with yourself. And think if that’s what you actually believe. Not here to be negative and cause problems, I am a truth searcher and I sense bs. Whether you realize it or not.
Why do we assume that homeschooled kids are less “socialized”? There was in fact a study showing that those who were homeschooled actually showed greater community involvement as adults. Furthermore define “socialized”: is it always positive? Is there such a thing as negative socializing? What happens to the guy that goes to prison and is surrounded by wretched individuals. When he comes out after a few years and he has developed some interesting pathological behaviour and become more hardened than ever, isn’t that also an example of socializing? It’s not always positive.
"Socialized" is a replacement word for conformity. Everybody is treated the same, and the same means like a worthless sub-human (literally!) who just needs to do what the teachers demand. School is a labor camp. It is slavery minus the benefit to the slaver.
I agree. They don't have gymnasium peer pressure talks because of the overwhelming amount of positive reinforcement of good values placed in children by their schoolmates.
I'll be honest the only public schooled kid I know doesn't know how to speak to kids his own age really, he sort of acts like a 50 year old upper class English man
@@abcdxx1059 Homeschool kids are less codependent. It's hard to bully someone who won't deal with your crap. I have been bullied as an adult, and I understand it's because I'm weird and I don't follow the social hierarchy because I think it's stupid. It never had an affect on my life, however.
Homeschooling my kids at the moment. Wife practically decided she would quit her career and do the heavy lifting herself and told me to focus on paying the bills and keep the roof over our heads intact. Friends would tell us that when they talk to our kids they feel like talking to adults.
@@udbhav122351d Yes it is a good thing. Children are idiots until they spend enough time being taught by people with more experience. Being around other people who are just as dumb as you are, does not improve you.
Its not wrong teenage isn't a natural thing. in some nations weren't there teenagers they would become a grown mens between 10-13 for EX Its just because of our system nowadays we think kids should fool around tell 21 lmao Ask any anthropologist.
Man!!! Agreed! Never thought of that but yes, all my trauma goes back to my high school days and now, thanks to u, I realized why I’ve always dreamed of homeschooling my kids and now we’re 3 years in and my 7 year old loves it!
i did both homeschool and public school, in and out sorta deal. i noticed that when i was homschooling and exploring the internet for things i found a lot of interest in and watching documentaries that i was learning a lot about what i thought was important. when i went back to public school i found they completely bastardized my favorite topics and forced me to do stupid unnecessary shit just for a number on a piece of paper.
Lain, I found that when my girls left home schooling to go to private, then public school (around 7th grade) they went from being voracious readers to reading maybe one or two books a year for pleasure. Did you have that experience? My girls were just so burnt out from being in school all day learning from dry textbooks, and having lots of homework, that they just wanted to goof off in the little free time they had. As home schoolers, they also had the same experience of being very fascinated with documentaries, and actually had favorite subjects, but when in school they lost any love for learning. As adults, they both rediscovered their love of reading (fiction and non-fiction), which they both attribute to having it nurtured in home school where there was lots of time and good books to read.
You described my experience, these days I continue my education on my own. I'm convinced publicly subsidized organizations and programs are purely pantomime and numbers. Benefits to those enrolled are irrelevant, unfortunately.
I always found homeschooled kids to be more genuine and warm to be around. They didn’t care about self image; perhaps because they were never forced to adapt one, and that is a good thing. At first I saw them as aloof, but now I envy them. They maintained an innocence that for many of us was robbed through public school by means of social hierarchy bullshit.
Still very possible with publicly schooled people, but rarer as it involves these publicly schooled kids to be wholly independent and uncaring of "needing to" fit in with people and lifestyles they have no care to integrate with. It requires self-confident kids who are secure in themselves.
Everything I learned about being successful in life my parents taught me or I learned from experience. Public school did nothing to prepare me for college or life.
@@nr126 I learned how to keep appointments from watching my parents keep appointments and drag me along with them as a kid I learned how to socialize by roaming around the neighborhood with the dozen or so kids everyday on our bikes. Don't give me that societal trash.
It seems like homeschooling saves tons if time, not needing to ride the bus, recess, etc. And don't get me started on how much longer it takes teaching 30 kids instead of 1.
My kids learned to buckle down & they could get through their work in 2-3 hours, leaving hours to pursue creative/educational projects that appealed to them
john doe What? You're asking her what certification she has to teach her own children? You ought to look up the average test scores of homeschoolers vs public schoolers. Simply the fact that they are getting one-on-one attention, particularly earlier in their education, makes up for the mother's lack of higher education in the vast majority of circumstances. Who can't teach middle school, really. By high school they're probably in dual enrollment anyways, so you don't have to worry about that.
@ John Doe... look at the studies. HOmeschool kids soar on measures of academic success, and I've heard a great many case studies that describe the time it takes to get through the level of course work required by a regular school. Their are losses involved in leaving the prescribed path, but there are gains in time and in the power of self direction too.
That is true.. However, those things are part of learning in a way.. I mean I was working for a security company as a training coordinator, and they would send the security camera operators to a Microsoft office course - the purpose? not to learn microsoft office, they wanted them to get used to using the mouse because that's what moves the camera.. So things like waiting on the bus and recess and all these things could add value.. That's time you spend walking to the bus in the morning, and waiting patiently on the bus, and time you spend around your peers during recess..Unless there are other things the kids do at home, those things could be something they are missing out on.. I don't really know if that's something that has particularly benefited me or others as far as an advantage over homeschooled individuals.. But certainly someone who walks an hour to and from work is better off (in terms of fitness-energy level) than someone who doesn't walk or make up for that..
I’ve noticed homeschooled kids are generally more intellectually curious, and think of learning not as a chore, confined to some prison-like building, but rather as a lifelong pursuit with its own intrinsic rewards and motivations.
I was homeschooled until college. When I tell people this, they can’t believe it. Graduated magma cum laude and finishing my masters this year. Been working full time since my junior year of undergrad. Paid for my own place, all my school, all bills etc since freshman year of college. The idea that public school is necessary for success is hilarious to me😂
@@EpsteinDidntKillHimself. Same here man! I was homeschooled. 97% percentile standardized test scores, just finished my mba at a top school. I laugh at how biased many are against homeschooled people.
@@fhowland it’s crazy how biased people are... Don’t get me wrong, I grew up hanging out with other homeschool kids. We were all pretty awkward. But you grow out of that the older you get. What you don’t grow out of is the work ethic, ability to learn independently, and critical thinking.
I developed social anxiety, depression, OCD, and low self esteem from public school. Started homeschooling mayself at 15 and I’m much more educated and more mentally healthy now
@@twatwaffle3258 Hi, I'm currently enrolled in college now and doing pretty well in life. I recommend doing things at your own pace and if public school has been a challenge, it's ok to do alternative schooling like independent studies. I've met lots of great people there who all felt like they didn't 'fit in'. But it can get a bit lonely not being around others as much. Just hang in there, do the things that develop confidence in yourself and make a plan for your future. It's ok to make mistakes but keep going and learning
My brother and I were homeschooled and my parents did a fantastic job. A lot of people claim that homeschooling will make children less socialised and that they'll have a hard time engaging with the 'real' world. In *my* experience the homsechooled peers I had were the exact opposite. I never had problems making friends and if anything was praised on being so outgoing and social. The value of homeschooling is entirely dependant upon the parents and the attitude they have.
Angelina depends on where you live. Google it. You'll find a website dedicated to directing you how to lawfully educate your children yourself. I live in Georgia, USA and my local website is GHEA.org
Ira Rose I believe you. The argument of the “socializing benefits” of attending traditional school is unproven empirically. People believe it because it makes intuitive sense but facts don’t always conform to conventional wisdom. My 9 year old was home schooled until the middle of her second grade and when she started traditional school she was “bored” and the schoolwork was “baby stuff” she said. Her dialogue of her day went from what new things she learned in her school lessons to what some problem kid was doing to upset the class. How does that prepare kids for healthy societal living? We are pulling her out of public school when she finishes the fifth grade and we’re going back to a home school curriculum. No need for her to learn what blowjobs are and all that crap when she is in middle school and that is the kind of topic that those kids are exposed to these days. The teachers? They show up and put on their defensive postures and hope to hell no kid complains loud enough to get them fired or cause them some career damage. They walk on egg shells and the kids are allowed to get away with anything since there is a medical label for every spoiled brat being raised by their lazy parents. I feel for the teachers, many I’m sure who were committed to teaching kids but are now stuck in a broken educational culture of political excuse and incoherence. It’s not their fault ...it’s the political system and the absolute nut job ideas imparted on the educational system since the 1960s. My daughter will be exposed to lesson topics at a rate of 4 to 5 times that she would at traditional public school. She’ll be able to travel in her education to learn first hand of the things she reads and studies in this country. She’ll be free of the ubiquitous distractions and mind numbing regimen of the public school “daycare” system which is all that public school is these days. We give up a salary to be able to do this but it is so much more with it than anything we could buy with that salary. In fact, the money netted after all the BS of a traditional job....even a high paying one is of marginal benefit....unless you are the kind of couple that needs new cars every couple of years and monthly car payments totaling over $2k per month. I drive a 12 year old car with 300k miles on it and my other car is a 10 year old BMW that my wife drives about 100 miles per month.
I work at a university, and I can often spot homeschoolers. They make eye contact, smile, converse respectfully with older generations, and aren't glued to their phones.
I don't know who these "well adjusted" public school kids are. A lot of the kids I see are maladapted and are limited to social contacts with their chronologically aged peers.
People who aim to homeschool their kids are generally more conscientious and concerned for USEFUL education. The core idea of education is to filter out bad behaviors and useless beliefs. When you throw a kid into anything "public", you're widening the filter, so to speak. there will be wider real world experience, but it comes with many "contaminants" that the _unfiltered world_ has. I mean, one can always send a kid to spend a few months in Brazilian favelas to learn _"a lot about different cultures and how hard life really is!"_ ,, the kid will socialize a lot, have multiple experiences... but are they the most beneficial?... Socializing and interacting with other people can actually be much more harmful. Actually, the most harmful things generally comes from open interactions within "public places" (unless, of course, you're trapped in a family that is comprised of the toxic harmful types of individuals).
One of the things that amazes me about home education is that despite neither my husband or I having a university education, all of our seven children have turned out to be well educated, employable adults. They are also great at socialising and are very confident- probably because they could chose who they wanted to hang around with. We have been so blessed. I’d recommend home education to anyone, as long as you are fully committed.
My husband and I do have college educations but we aren’t buying into the lie that a degree is a must! Whether our children are plumbers, big rig drivers, or doctors, we are preparing them to desire knowledge and to know how to learn!
I have a Bachelor’s degree in economics (one of the highest paid majors) and my husband has no degree. He makes way more money than I ever did. 🤣 A degree is not a must.
I was homeschooled by my mother since I was in first grade. I had a wonderful experience, learned alot, and, most importantly I learned to love learning. The lessons that I learned have led me to go to community college at 16, achieve and maintain a 4.0 GPA (or very close to it), and pursue various pathways of independent and private industry based research. I recently graduated from community college with my A.S. Chemistry and I am now at one of the highest rated universities in the U.S. for science (Stony Brook University). Homeschooling played a big part in making me who I am today, and I would recommend it to anyone that has an interest in their children's success.
Hypnos Stratagem nah man. That’s nice but not necessary. I went to public school all my life. I got a bachelors in computer science and I’m currently a software developer making really good money. I feel the opposite. The amazing memories I have spending my days in school with all of my friends. Joking around, flirting with girls, getting into trouble. Those were amazing, carefree years. I wouldn’t trade that. Ever. Life isn’t about just learning stuff and working. It’s about interactions, experiences, connections, etc. we are social creatures. I know that some people have social anxiety and aren’t as outgoing but that isn’t the norm. If homeschooling works for you that’s great. But you can’t deny the benefits of the social experiences you have and gain in school. If you aren’t homeschooled you will still succeed. You don’t lose anything by not being homeschooled. On the contrary, I think you miss out on a lot if you are homeschooled.
@@uchihajoel3064 it's good that you enjoy school - I know plenty of people who did. But, addressing your statement that you miss out on a lot if homeschooled, I think that's a misunderstanding. A lot of things have to do with your parents, but if they're loving and caring, you don't miss out on a single thing.
@@uchihajoel3064 homeschoolers play sports, have friends, hang out with peers just the same as you did. I was homeschooled until college and I absolutely don’t lay awake in my bed at night and feel like I “missed out on social experiences”. I don’t agree with your sentiment in the slightest but you are entitled to your opinion.
@@wms72 Well, if your parents don't belong to the hells angels and you've got at least a decent noggin on your head, then all of that can be avoided. I honestly doubt homeschooled children experience the same quality of social life as those enrolled in a high school. Who do they get to walk home with everyday? Who do they get to spend 5 hours a day, 5 days a week with just talking, laughing, making jokes and gossiping about stuff? Where else would they learn how to interact with the opposite sex at such a fast rate? What about their extracurriculars? The parties? The social classes (which exist everywhere in society)? The community? Finding that one homeless guy named Desmond to buy you beer when your friend's parents went to Pennsylvania? WHERE WILL YOU EXPERIENCE THIS lol
I’m a public school teacher, but my kids are homeschooled. I also grew up doing both off and on, so I have quite a bit of experience with both, and I can confidently say that there’s no reason most people can’t teach their own children. What makes public school teachers unique is that we can teach 30 children at once. Teaching a large group takes training and experience, but most people can teach one on one very successfully.
@@xxpadmoondaze1282 I teach public school, and my wife stays home with the kids. I’m on her account though, so it looks like my name is Shelly. 😁 Sorry about that!
@@huh7056 A nice aspect of homeschooling is that you don’t have to start all at once. You can gently ease your child into schooling as you see they’re ready. For little boys, this may be later than for little girls. In fact, they don’t even have to know that they are starting school. If you take the average five-year-old, and play a math game with them or sing a counting song, they will think they’re having fun!
When I was 13 (1963) I told my guidance counsellor that school was a stupid concept. I told him that mornings should be spent outside doing physical activities regardless of the weather, and the afternoons dedicated to math, science and engineering. He agreed with me and told me to take responsibility for my own education.
John, and that was in 1963! Things are many, many times worse now. Nature + science, math and engineering. That would sound perfect. You can add English writing to that. Then there’s no room for woke activism nonsense - something that has clearly made schools indoctrination centres.
@@johntonge9818 I was 13 in 1992 and believed everything that was being fed to me. Went to school, got good grades, 2 degrees (1 in Engineering). Graduated with 40K in debt. Worked as an Engineer for 10 years and it took me 8 years to pay off the debt. Never bought a house, don't even own my own car. I did travel a lot and had a few adventures, not gonna lie. I stopped working to homeschool after seeing how the school system doesn't encourage critical thinking and the teachers just wanted their summers off. Some teachers were good (females were great for infants and toddlers) men were great for preschool and afterschool. Rough played with my son. Lego. Now, elementary teachers (all women) are stern and tired and have no curiosity in them. They just want the job as an easy out and to get their summers off. We're now on 1 salary (albeit a decent one) and are looking to live a simple life. Homeschooling. Hard to find a good community though. If this housing crisis ever ends we will buy a home finally thanks to a small but generous gift from the parents. Our son begged us to be homeschooled and he's brilliant so we're off to a good start. Wish I was a bit younger though.
I was homeschooled. I'm 23 with kids a wife, house, small buisiness that did a half mill this year and I'm learning astrophysics in my spare time... I think homeschooling works alright
Chris, you sound like a spoiled brat, probably lying and definitely bragging. Most of the homeschooled kids I know grow up to be just like their parents, and usually that's not good.
It takes a great effort. We home schooled our three kids. My son (oldest) is now an attorney (Harvard grad), my daughter (second oldest) is a surgeon (Harvard grad), my youngest will be attending Harvard medical school in the fall to become a neurosurgeon. They work hard and gets results but are normal people, not robots. The top schools (Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc.) have no problems with home schooled children. Our kids had school all year long (reduced load during summer), so they were comfortable with a heavy homework load. When they started college, it was business as usual, no big deal. I wouldn't have put my kids in public school on a dare. You get what you put into it...
Holy crap, what kind of curriculum did you use? What was your education level? I have an associate's degree. I like to think I'm intelligent enough, but I don't know if my kids will be neurosurgeons from my teaching
I was homeschooled from first to fourth grade, it gave me a strong foundation of learning, and it gave me a very high reading level when I did go to school in 5th grade. My mom wasn’t able to homeschool me any more. My math skills were not strong, but I easily made that up because I was taught how to learn and study. I was the 8th grade valedictorian. I’m currently a sophomore, and my average is 100.7. I wouldn’t have changed anything, I got the best of both worlds.
@@evelynmom2902 it made me feel anti social because it singled me out as a special needs student due to some family medical problems at the home. They were stressful beyond my comprehension and imagination as a child, and young adult. I didn’t realize how much until I reached 30 yo.
I went to public school in a small town and hated every second of it. I was bullied by my peers and teachers alike. I was by no means stupid, but I was so focused on trying to fit in and escape my tormentors that my grades slipped. I didn't care about learning, I wanted to survive socially. I was even held back a grade, which made the bullying even worse. As I got older, I realized that I was trying to fit in with small minded people. I've returned back to college and discovered I love learning, I currently have a 3.9 GPA, and have made the Dean's list several times. I'm currently 9 weeks pregnant and have decided I will use my bachelors degree to home school my child. I often wonder how much better I would have done academically if I wasn't so focused on being bullied and trying to "fit in".
@@mchambers8366 That is such nonsense. Homeschooling is growing faster than ever. In my family, the first 3 kids, (the only out of our home) are homeschooling. God bless you, ma'am. Never let randos tell you that you can't be your children's mother.
I homeschooled my children almost 30 years ago, having read boxes and boxes of articles on what was actually in the school curriculum. We had a large social network where kids did things as a group. My kids say they had the best childhood ever. We had a network of around 2000 homeschool children within a 2 hour drive, so every family had a few families they could regularly meet with. The incidents of abusive parents is something i never saw. The parents i saw, were from all walks of life, all did what they thought was best for their children.
I've been home schooling for 15 years. My children have had no problems socializing so far. I know many home schoolers and there are only a handful of families that fit the typical stereo type of "unsocialized ". Heck, I think I know more awkward public school kids than awkward homeschool kids. Just because a kid has a phone in one hand and a latte in the other, doesn't make them "normal" and "socialized"!! Please remember folks...there were no public schools up until about 175 years ago! How did society ever survive before then??!!🤔
175 years ago most children were slave workers on family farms or at the local mills. They did not attend school and were born of parents that had not attended school. Only the wealthy educated their children so they could run the mills. Public schooling came about as a way to help the poor illiterate try and make progress away from such repressive lives.
You can probably teach your own child everything in 2 days that a school trenches them in 5. Spend the spare time taking your kids out for social interaction and make them learn how to interact with the world.
I pulled my son out of preschool last year and before that school year was done, he knew all the letters of the alphabet, 50 sight words, how to count to fifty, how to use scissors and a pencil properly, how to write his name. And this was done in an 1-2 hrs a day! He was at school for 6 hours a day and all they did was play. It’s like daycare! Needless to say, I’m gonna homeschool as long as possible.
that estimate is FAR too optimistic of the school... at least for me. Most of my classmates barely studied an hour in a whole week of school, I studied a bit more as I turned out to be one of the "gifted" kids - so practice for competitions instead of some lessons was pretty fun.
I am grateful for being homeschooled from Kindergarten to Year 8. It allowed me to deeply explore subjects I loved and had passion for, and gave me time to do the things I enjoyed. Now I am in school and I know people who have been doing school since Kindergarten and I have noticed they have absolutely no passions for many of the subjects we have at school, even electives. I feel like homeschool allows people to discover their strengths and not be ashamed of their weaknesses.
I wish I was homeschooled. I remember the stress and isolation very well. The fear of being judged because you weren’t walking next to someone every day. I don’t miss high school. To hell with the reunions. I would have been stress-free studying under my parents. Consider homeschooling, not for you, but for your kids.
Those experiences help toughen you up. Imagine you're 18 and have no idea how to advocate for yourself or no ability to assert your needs in the face of opposition.
This comment actually just further highlights to me how naive former public schoolers are as to their privilege. If you were fully independent living by yourself by 21-22, able to get a job, find a partner, etc. then you were adequately prepared for life by the public school system whether you can admit it aloud or not. Your public school education opened doors the average homeschooled kid, living far outside mainstream American society, can only dream about.
@@SurrealisticSlumbers I have no issue with communicating with anyone and I do not have any fear of being judged in college. I am 18 years old lol, I am advocating right now in fact, and you are the opposition. I was homeschooled my entire life and I consider my homeschool years a privilege as well. It almost sounds like you are bitter saying those experiences toughen you up. Glad I did not have to deal with that.
@@salomongreen This must be your first JBP video if you still think you can go through life without facing experiences that make you toughen up. When the first happens you'll wish it wasn't your first time.
I'm an ex schoolteacher. Most subject matter can be taught in 20-25 minutes. There's a lot of wasted time between all that in a school day. No wonder kids get bored and act out. There are plenty of ways to learn social skills. Homeschooling is superior in many ways to public education, but not every parent may be capable of it.
I always thought the same. Always finished the work in about and hour with six more to burn and the only thing I could do is get in trouble at that point lol
Dr. Peterson suggests that the parents teach their children to articulate what they are being taught. I agree with him. It should be noted that this isn't done in public schools very well. The children in public school more often regurgitate rote information, not necessarily knowledge or understanding. As a second generation homeschooling family, we (my husband and I) can see that the previous generation wasn't pathological (not most of them anyways), rather they were ahead of the curve. My parents were perceiving the future and recognizing a social trend that they wanted to circumnavigate. I am deeply grateful that my parents didn't enter me into the indoctrination assembly line. Now my children are not just academically proficient, they are not just intellectually independent. The real reason I home school now is to produce moral discernment. What academic or intellectual achievement is of any worth without moral character?
Children are not taught critical thinking skills at all. Unfortunately it is really difficult to teach in a classroom where 1/3 of the students have a learning disorder or psychological problem. Such were my classrooms. Administrators think by putting all kids together in a class the misbehaved ones will learn to behave. They clearly don't know anything about child psychology! Really, the 1/3 of my class needed 1. Better parents, and 2. Proper non-abusive discipline. That goes a long way to fixing most of these so-called issues. A child who feels loved and has a stable home life wants to learn. Children are natural learners, IF.
In France a few relatively well-off families have this compromise where the kids work in small groups under a the "home" teacher, it's like a mini private school. And the results this kids get are quite good they get top grades at the maturity exam and have on average a higher level in maths than most.
I'm not sure about baguettes since we're talking rich rids for the most part, but I'm sure they even embroid the flags just in case. That or the maid does it for them :)
That's actually a brilliant idea but they also get to learn how to socially interact with other kids, a problem that most homeschooled kids suffer from. Is there a term for this practice? I would like to look into it more.
Hello! I don’t remember the practice having a concrete term since it falls under home schooling. The article I read about it (though unfortunately I can’t remember the title or the journal it was from) mentioned that it involved kids from all age brackets which concords with official sources like www.parisbalades.com/nonsco/pas_ecole.htm stating how in France 30000 kids aged 6-16 don’t go to school. However most learn the junior high and high school level via the CNED (Centre national d’études à distance National Center for Education “from a distance” aka “from home”) while only 7000 are close to 100% home schooled. These are kids from families with any social status, not just the rich. A user from arnelae.forumactif.com/t3536-l-ecole-a-la-maison states he and his wife home schooled their kids from 1st to 12th grade, but their example is one of many since home-schooling hardly has a fixed program. In France, the difficulty level of high school education plummeted since the 70’ and many college-educated parents are unsatisfied - I think we can deduce that those who choose home schooling provide lessons that go beyond what the regular official program entails. In Quebec www.lesoleil.com/actualite/education/lecole-a-la-maison-ou-le-bonheur-en-famille-bd4ee21be6b706695fba03a06caa3d2d mentions a study that shows some home-schooled kids have a level in maths “half a year ahead” (from what’s in Canadian schools) and a level in French three years ahead. The same talks about parents needing to be proactive in order to get the kids to socialize more outside of home and/or their study group. On the subject of socialization you mentioned: www.frenchentree.com/living-in-france/education/homeschooling-in-france/ tells that the home-schooling families are a small but very vocal minority, and sites like www.lesenfantsdabord.org/ which is available in three languages show that the families exchange a lot and organize meetings. The families are well-aware that the kids need other kids to interact with, they simple prefer to pick and choose which kids their will interact with and under which circumstances. l-ecole-a-la-maison.com/ argues that the public school courtyard is a “hazardous place”. If the families are in control, they can more easily save their child from interaction with wild, violent kids. Sports clubs and family associations do exist. The article www.20minutes.fr/societe/1862319-20160609-instruction-domicile-voulais-enfants-epanouissent-davantage-ecole parents state that their kids meet with both home-schooled and non home-schooled kids, though very we’re talking kids from families the parents are friends with. Those parents also praise the fact that their various adult friends can talk to the kids about their jobs and overall life experience. Conclusion: while I can’t supply you the concrete article I remember reading, the data confirms its contents, even though in reality the home schooling system is a lot more flexible than what I remembered it was, and kids who learn in groups are either siblings or kids from families which know each other rather well. Those same kids do socialize outside of the home-schooling group, but it’s the parents’ personal responsibility to organize the meetings and/or signing their child up for a sports club or a music school for example. A responsibility parents gladly take on since they either don’t trust public schools to educate their children well and/or have children who were bullied and/or had disabilities. Have a good day! Ps: sorry for the amount of French language only links
I honestly don't think it is. The merit of (some) kids for getting a higher level in languages and maths rests on the shoulders of these kids, their teachers and their parents. It's not a geographical thing, albeit France being a rich developped country certainly helps. Also, it's the first time I heard of Varg Vikernes and while I feel sorry for the victim and all the people involved his action was his own responsibility. I hardly see the link between home schooling and wanting to murder someone for X reasons, could you please elaborate?
We started homeschooling our kids about 35 years ago. I can't imagine leaving kids in a public school today. Although there were not the resources then as there are now, we taught curriculum that was developed by professional educators even then. My wife has an elementary education degree and I have a PhD in chemistry, so we were well equipped to handle this task. Our daughter has a Master's degree in special education, and our son is a PhD biochemist. I think they've done well.
My wife and I will raise respectful and strong children with conviction. The best advice my dad ever gave me was: "No one can hurt your feelings without your permission." I will engrain that ethos into my children.
That's a wonderful philosophy and imo and experience often true and indeed I was taught that too but may I suggest to you with sincerity that some can affect you AMONGST OTHERS they are parent to child in the early stages and in the very different category ( unfortunately but not often they fall into both : )the very charismatic and or manipulative ( see Jordan's videos naivety and or betrayal ) as some one who was severely betrayed in no small way but we also unknowingly naive and trusting ( I don't mean my husband had an affair for a year with the same women he eventually lived with. that happened too me and while it wasn't nice I learnt and moved on.. there are much worse betrayals and when Jordan references betrayal I'm sure he knows the depths it can go too and the devastation it causes ) I worked, am a parent , had a degree and home I wasn't pathetic or outwardly stupid ( or didn't appear to be to myself or others I was told I w kind and " too nice " but never knowingly put myself or others in harms way Instead may I suggest you teach your children that as humans we are biologically wired to socialise and certain actions can produce unconscious physiological reactions ( for more see trauma bonding) and while " doing unto others ..." is a good idea it should be earnt and teach your children boundaries by allowing age appropriate ones and keep your own. Above all teach them self respect and don't be reactive to others and keep the channels of communication open and love them so much they can't help but love themselves..Teach them while the world is full of good some people are not at all, the adage trust your gut and yourself is very true I've found and then and only then tell them they are in charge of their actions and that if someone consistently makes them want to react in a way they know isn't right for any reason that they should do every thing in their power to not allow them into their life but that one shouldn't react to others shot behaviour and never never never be so arrogant naive and or complainant as to think " this won't happen to me or mine "'
Sounds like what I taught my son, one of the best tools for growing up is when you truly understand that only you get to assign value to other people's opinions.
I homeschooled my kids in the 80s. I had a few small businesses. Antique mall, clock repair shop, Antique restoration and a restaurant. It was awesomeness! I could just have my kids hang with me and learn from me. Great memories and very talented creative adults today.
Keep in mind there’s nothing weird about homeschooling - there was a time when that’s how all kids learned. Formal institutions are relatively new in western culture. As well, all kids that perform well at school will likely have some form of home schooling. Homework, particularly with the parents support is really homeschooling. Jordan Peterson is s great example. He would come home from school and there at home his dad would spend 2 hours teaching him to read.
I was in public school until 10th grade until I transitioned myself to independent study. My whole family told me not to do it only because I would lose "socializing time". I was in school in public school for around 7 hours a day 5 days a week, and I probably only spoke for like 30 mins that whole day. I didn't have friends, so I didn't have anyone to talk to the whole day in school. In independent study, I would go for 2-3 hours once a week, and I spoke the whole time I was there to my teachers and other students. My voice was so weak from underuse the first year I was at independent study, that everytime I started talking, my voice would crack. I had shitty grades in public school because I was severely depressed, and in independent study, I graduated early as valedictorian of my school. We had the same curriculum at my home school as we did in public school. My depression went away, my voice became stronger, I did a shit ton of volunteer work during this time because I had so much more free time, I started college early and made some friends. Going to home school was the best decision I made for my life as a teen.
I’m 14 years old and have been in public school for the past 8 years of my life… first 4 years where great then it started going downhill. This year me & my parents decided it’s time to try homeschooling. It was the right decision, so much more free time and no stress. I love homeschooling!
you'll go far in life young man, you won'tbe yet another rote educated dumb-dumb, but have the intellectual curiosity that schools knock out of kids. I was essentially halfway between home-schooled and self-educated. My parents are academics (real academics not Leftist useful idiots). One of the best lessons they taught me was to go and find my own answers. I spent days indide the public library. When I got to university engineering- I knew the first year maths as it was about equal to my father's year 11 super simple textbooks. I loved history, I read all the great Greco-Roman philosophers.
Homeschooled here. Currently working a good job, about to graduate college with zero debt, (I paid for it all myself) I have a great relationship with my parents and siblings, I have an amazing girlfriend, and have avoided much of the terrible decisions my peers seem to make. My brother, also homeschooled, graduated from college at 20, got married, and is currently making 100k+. If stereotypes are true, the small things you miss out on is worth it to be close to family, learn to think foryourself and not just what the majority thinks, and have a real work ethic. Not saying you can't if you're public schooled. It just appears to me that those in my homeschool bubble are generally happier, content, and more successful than most of my friends from public school.
I'm in basicly the same boat as you. College, job, wife and kid, no debt and I can promise that I would have none of that and instead be in all sorts of trouble if I had gone to public school.
So I will be poor making crumbs for the rest of my life, never once had a girl seriously like me was bullied and treated like shit for most of my schooling. Got advice on not being a worthless piece of shit?
I was homeschooled in South Africa and later went to school at one of the best schools in the country(albeit not an expensive one) and I enjoyed it. But, believe me school is much more of a prison than my parents could ever be.
As a homeschool mom of nearly 20 years who was homeschooled herself, I found it to be a VERY easy decision to make. Was it always easy to do? No. Would I do it over again? In a heartbeat.
A coworker homeschooled their kids and mixed it with a few years of private school. Their oldest son tested mensa and was sent to university early. They put a lot of work into their kids, however. It's not so easy.
I loved learning once I was homescooled. My mom would give me credits for gardening, and my hobby/projects. I learned alot more than anyone I know who went to public school.
I didn't feel like I learned anything in highschool and I felt it was a great waste of time (and money, education usually being the #1 state expense, and I had fun thinking of how incredibly misappropriated these funds were). I already read a lot and was interested in history, and science was my favorite subject. I learned more about these subjects on my own than I did in school (minus math, I admit I needed help there, but now I study that by myself). I think the impression is that most parents who homeschool their children are overly-protective and that the children grow up to lack social skills, but in reality, that's a phenomenon that's already happening with the widespread abuse of personal devices and social media. People can't hold eye contact anymore; I've noticed that, it makes them uneasy now. I think if done right, homeschooling is a superior method of raising a child. Caution must be taken not to coddle them and make sure they get time to develop on their own (Outside with friends) into a fully functioning adult. That being said, a little interaction between parent and child is a good thing, now I feel a lot of people have kids and don't even know what to do with them. I can understand that homeschooling is not possible for everyone, nor is it always the best option, but I don't think it's such a bad thing as people make it out to be.
"I think the impression is that most parents who homeschool their children are overly-protective and that the children grow up to lack social skills, but in reality, that's a phenomenon that's already happening with the widespread abuse of personal devices and social media. People can't hold eye contact anymore; I've noticed that" School puts you in an oppressive environment where you have to do everything you're told without question. From this perspective, it's basically slavery minus the benefit to the teacher. Of course this doesn't produce normally functioning people. It produces children.
@@graceharney7352 i think we understand that the home environment is more importan than what type of school he goes to, so be sure give him a home he can trust and seek help when he is in hard times, a home he can grow up to help, make better and hopefully create one on his own like it or better:) i know US schools do sometiems require for the student to leave their home, in that case make it so that he is proud and happy to come back. He or she, who ever this comment can help
@@daniel1RM i agree, i went to public school, and while i turned out okay and had good grades, the family thing is something i stopped having after 19. i would never let my kids feel they can't come to me for help or that i'll turn them away when they need me most.
I am home schooled. My whole life, and my Mom taught me how to teach myself, and then gave us access to most sources so we could come to our own conclusions. I loved and love it. I also found my calling far faster than most public schoolers because I could chase my interests. It mostly depends on the child.
+Francesco Marzotto School's original purpose was to teach people how to read, write and basic math. Curiously, it's the only thing it's good at. What else do you learn? Random scientific and historical trivia that no one really remembers? Did you learn about fallacies and cognitive biases? Or how your government works? What about the contents of your country's constitution? Don't you think these are more important than knowing how to solve quadratic equations?
@@MiauFrito I learned those things in public school. I guess your school was just garage. And yes, learning quadratic equations is very important to building the mathematical background for anyone interested in STEM careers. Basic algebra is a powerful tool for anyone, it provides a deeper understanding of system complexity and aids in problem solving.
Literacy increased with the creation of schools. The reason home schooling and apprenticeships disappeared in the late 1700 was because a complex society couldn’t be built without standardization and a well-rounded educated population. Nowadays, virtually everyone can read. Back then , around 60% in most areas.
I love hearing and learning about how others are doing with their homeschooling journey. I find it challenging and incredibly rewarding. I really like listening to dr. Peterson when he talks about how education is failing us. It helps me identify what to focus on as I homeschool my children 👶🏽
Homeschooling is great! Let your child learn at his/her own pace. Give your child the help and attention they deserve instead of having to slow down for the rest of the students
If a child never develops a mental "peer-group-pressure-compliance-mechanism" it will never rely on it as an adult. WHEN, in real life, will anyone ever be in a situation, where everyone they have to deal with is their own age .. ? Home educated people are far more socially adjusted and can deal with people of all ages, as easily as they deal with their peers. It seems obvious that teaching a child HOW TO LEARN and HOW TO THINK and even teaching them TO think about who they are, what they are doing and what is going on around them, ( even if you never teaching them WHAT to think) is far better than sending them to school where THEY WILL BE TAUGHT WHAT TO THINK and to NOT THINK ON THEIR OWN. Instances of homeschooling actually being worse than the grotesquely unnatural "school" experiences are few and far between ( btw - children are NOT FISH). Using a few bad examples compared to the thousands of successfully home-educated children, is weak and a Saul Alinsky tactic. That somehow a college education automatically gives are person the morality - character and personal integrity is an idea that Mortimer Adler ( "How to Read a Book" ) claimed to already be dead in 1947 ... ! Apparently, the morality and values of society have so degraded, so devolved and the ability so sort the truth from the bullshit is so rare, that few people can even recognize good character when they see it ! --- "They hide it (that knowledge) in books" ("Lake Placid"). So the character one USED TO GET from the work required to graduate is no longer available from a college, because all those great minds that could make that process work - have all long since died and for the most part, the "Art of Education" died with them. Stop for a moment that think about what that has left us with ...Mmmm..? Since teaching is done by teachers and learning is done by someone who makes objective observations and connects the dots, then essentially, all true education is self-education. The result of modern day "teaching" is programming or brainwashing. All well-intentioned parents, (regardless of how they are perceived by professional teachers) who are willing to teach their children HOW to think for themselves, how to LEARN on their own, and how to love and accept themselves for who they are, will put their children light years ahead vast majority of sophomoric derelicts that institutionalized education has produced for the last 70 years.
12cunow . All the homeschooled kids I know are fully capable of speaking and interacting with all age groups on a competent level. That is not true of children schooled in 1 age group. They barely can speak to an adult.
You guys all had good experiences it seems? My parents neglected my education, neglected my well being, gave me no schedule, messed the timings of my qualifications all over the place and didn't listen to me when I said I needed the structure and teaching from an actual school. Now I'm a 20 year old retaking final exams. I am extremely depressed and I'm just hanging on to the hope that that will change once I move out. I've given up on my dream degree/job and I'm just settling for something that will allow me to get out the house and still have some future prospects. Being homeschooled was like he'll for me. I wouldn't do it again if you paid me everything, because I don't know that I could get through it a second time. I don't know how in the world you guys had good experiences with it. I agree in theory it can be great, and I don't really trust the public schools either. But if parents don't trust the public schools, then save more and send your kid to a private school you can trust. Don't risk their entire future by giving them no formal education. Even if you think they are doing well, they won't have the same opportunities. OR at least listen to your child if they ask you to let them go to school.
Damn, thanks for keeping it real dawg. Thats a different side than what I’ve read in here and it costed you in the end. But yo honestly, yeah maybe you didn’t get the optimal conventional homeschooling, but you are also only 20. Yo that is so young its not even funny. Even people that had traditional elite education at big state schools run into this. People put way too much stock aiming for what their dream career is, overthinking the whole thing. Your happiness and fulfillment in life will come from actually relaxing and enjoying your life, not from the dream job. Explore jobs/industries that are within the realm of your capabilities, interests, something that you like and can “tolerate”. REDDIT search, youtube search what others have done to get into that field, and then you have your goals. A lot of the time, a degree is not even necessary, sometimes you just need 6 months of entry level position and that holds the same if not more weight than a degree candidate with zero experience. Everyone is different yo. Maybe you need to sit down, lock in and really highlight what you want out if this degree and what is required of you and whether you are willing to entertain the effort required. Its hard to be an achiever at school when the desired end result is not detailed or outlined enough. Nobody loves work. Some people like COMING to work (aka awesome company culture, coworkers) but give anyone a ticket to quit and retire right now and they would. And yeah maybe when u move out things will improve all around but maybe there’s somethings you can do now at a smaller scale for yourself? Re-organize bedroom, buy a new chair, browse some new study resources online, spend time outside of your normal comfy spaces. Goto a different cafe not to study-make it about you…only researching stuff about your career paths, salaries, where you wanna live if you move, use tiktok for productive purposes while you’re there, see what people in your field are like (day in the lives)
I'm so sorry that's awful! I have personally known people who were homeschooled who had awful parents who did an awful job homeschooling them, but I have also known people who had great parents who were committed to giving them the best education possible while homeschooling them. It really boils down to the parents.
This is the issue. Not everyone who home schools does it well. Some do it for the wrong reasons and some are not emotionally present enough to do it. I personally would really struggle to home school my kids as I work and I'm in therapy for my own well being as well as having a chronic illness but I'm self aware and know it would not work. Being a good parent means putting your children's needs first. I'm sorry this was your experience. I think a lot of people home school to control who their kids interact with. Again not a good enough reason in my opinion
We do year round but in summer we tend to be a bit less structured. For instance we could be playing trivia games in the pool instead of learning new things or working on assignments 1/2 the week. I guess the most unstructured thing about the way I homeschool my kids is that we don't move on until they master something. By mastery I mean they need to have 100% accuracy in math or fluency in xyz skills. So sometimes it takes a while to get past certain things. My son is slow at picking up math but is very inquisitive in other areas but my eldest daughter is extremely mathematical so she learns math concepts in no time which is why she is able to do calculus in what would be 9th grade but I don't do grades that way. My youngest daughter is very interested in history, probably because I don't do it like public school.
I was homeschooled and I studied at a homeschool co-op once a week so I know a lot of homeschooled individuals. From my experience kids benefit from the one-on-one style of teaching that comes with homeschooling, but as with all things, the benefit is limited to the effort put in by the parents. Parents are also far more involved in formulating the worldview of their kids, which is important in a world that competes to indoctrinate kids towards a number of different ideals. A drawback to consider with homeschooling is that raising socially well adjusted kids is slightly harder, and sports opportunities are a lot more limited. So parents need to be intentional about exposing their kids to unfamiliar experiences with a wide variety of people.
I am Spanish but have lived in the US for 13 years. I've been to several cities in the US, but I mostly lived in suburban areas of Texas and Louisiana. Homeschooling a child there would be difficult because you don't see anybody out on the street and all the kids play inside. If you come to any of the streets of Andalucía, you will see kids playing on the streets and people chatting and you will certainly make friends here easily. In most places I've seen in the US, you get in a car and you drive to work or Wal-Mart or wherever, there's not many people on the street (minus the bigger cities). I think it is harder for an American child to make friends then it is for a Spanish one, outside the context of school.
Digs 1 Keep in mind the drawbacks that I mention are only obstacles for some however. I was pretty well socialized and nobody could ever tell that I was homeschooled from interacting with me. I also had the benefit of being involved in martial arts and snowboarding throughout my childhood. A lot of my homeschooled friends were able to play in soccer and hockey leagues despite being home schooled.
Having been homeschooled, I can say that the socialization argument against homeschooling is a myth. There is no drawback, except money and time of the parents.
Irving Ceron Public school today is a joke. The only productive thing it does is develop a child's social skills (this is literally one of the main goals of primary school). Public education is often the #1 expense of the state, and that is a joke. They buy overpriced textbooks that aren't going to be used even once. They spend an exorbitant amount of money on sports. Schools will find every excuse to waste money, and it only serves to add distractions to the learning environment. Time immemorial has shown that to provide effective schooling, all that is needed is a classroom, pen and paper, and a desk. Why is it that so many countries outperform us in testing? And the sad thing is that all of these things are being replaced by the computer, but it's a resource that's not being taken advantage of. Resources like Khan Academy, Study Island, self discipline and the local library are enough to foster a positive learning environment. I never said people should go to public school to make friends, I only said that in my honest opinion it is easier to make friends outside of the context of school in some cultures than it is in others. A home-schooling regimine will suffice for the later years, but I believe primary school is still beneficial. Sports are also an excellent way to socialize a child, but that should be done outside of the school system. Modern public education is, essentially, the babysitting of young adults.
I'm a holistic practioner and i see lots of kids in my office and with out a doubt home school kids are consistently more confident, more social and way less stressed than public or private school kids. I'm home schooling my kid when time comes and encourage others to do the same .
The thing I am most grateful for in my life is my parent's decision to never let me go to public school. I was homeschooled all the way up into college.
@@salomongreen : I don’t remember why I asked Film Fanatic that question but the college you go to does matter depending on what degree you are seeking. Not all colleges are equal.
Same here, first time in a public classroom was my first day of college. Now I work in a genetics lab. I got my socialization as a teenager through team sports outside the home, and today I’m a confident, well-adjusted adult with strong family ties and a flourishing romantic relationship. Mornings spent in the garden or feeding the farm animals as a ten-year-old are some on my favourite memories…far more valuable to me and my development than a morning spent in a classroom.
I have to submit that whilst there may be maladjusted home-educated children, there are plenty of the same in state schools. I'm of the opinion that social adjustment is highly individual and dependent on parental temperament and involvement and child's personality and probably, likely, completely unrelated to schooling situation.
In first grade at public school, my daughter was bored and bullied. She makes friends slowly and was the new kid in class. Homeschooling her was a blessing as it allowed us to work at her own pace and be successful as long as she was focused. She still has anxiety and some issues but we can overcome.
One thing people don't realize about homeschooling is that the parents, most of the time, do not teach or want to. There are so so so many learning styles and ways of teaching! I had teachers online for homeschooling who were highly qualified (more than some Ed Degree) in their subject from all over the world...it was incredible. I loved school and I loved learning.
I think it can be a great thing but we simply need more oversight and regulation on it. There are kids stuck in abusive households bc very few states require a background check or CPS visit to clear the parents. It’s also been found that around 90% of parents who homeschool chose to do so in order to prevent their kids from hearing things that go against their religion.
@@colinscherer3316 not 90% lol this is where you know this person is unreliable without sources uses statistics like this. Anyway the problem is that local communities don't take a child's centred approach. The most likely victims of abusive parents who would either neglect or actively abuse their children are those with disabilities or of extra educational needs. This is backed up by the government sources that i had come across in my child safeguarding course and know that it is the responsibility of the local agencies to ensure that children are talked to directly without the parents present when there is concern but some cases where abuse was ignored or not even looked into was when they only contacted the parents. Thay poor girl with locked in syndrome in America i don't remember the state, that was neglected so badly i can't imagine how looking she was ignored by evry authority. In the uk kids do get visits from health visitors or local educational departments it is a requirement when we register to home educate and the child does get contact every year to ensure they are oksy to continue to be home educated. That is the difference i would say.
@@colinscherer3316 respectfully, that statistic is BS. If you were involved in the homeschool community today you would know that probably well over 50% of them are secular homeschoolers.
I had my son in pre-school (YMCA), kindergarten (public) and up to Grade 2 (Montessori). At the end of Grade 2 he was completely demoralized and had given up on school. I started home schooling at that point and it took an entire year before he would even look at a worksheet again. Now we are on year 3 of home school and he has a math tutor 3x a week to ensure he stays ahead of provincial standards. I am nervous about sending him back to school in the current poisonous culture that is the Toronto District School Board and private schools are not much better.
Good for you, that is no easy task. You obviously love your child very very much. What kind of solutions do you have to let your kid get out and socialize with other kids? My ex grew up in Toronto. you are quite right to be weary of the TDSB. She is a fully indoctrinated femi-nazi. I have the task of raising our daughter half time and I have to reeducate her from not only the school knowledge but also this man hating BS her mother fills her with.
Cubs, swimming lessons, tons of playdates every week. I made it a point to keep in touch with all his school friends before I took him out of formal education. He's an outgoing kid anyway, so he makes friends easily.
Canadian schools of all ages are pure poison. I'm 24, never graduated and never went to college or university. Believe me. You're better off taking care of your kid's education and mental health yourself. TRUST ME..........
Don't send him back. Keep him at home where he will learn and thrive. He can find socialization in extra curricular groups like sports drama other homeschooling families.
Given the new curriculum's emphasis on social justice over basics, we are not sending him next year. He has plenty of friends in the neighbourhood so social activity is not an issue. Thanks for your encouragement.
I basically quit school and came home in 8th grade for multiple reasons-- mainly being too busy for school. (The other was the freedom to visit multiple 90+ yr old great grandmothers while they were still around.) I studied Japanese at home with correspondence or telephone lessons, I had a private art teacher, I had Shinkendo swordsmanship lessons for exercise, violin lessons I'd continued ages 8-18, and I started my own studio teaching young kids at 14. At that time I also joined the local (adult) symphony and was the youngest player. I was also one of the youngest music teachers in our county. At 18, I branched out and started teaching beginner Japanese language. Not only was public school a waste of time for me, and many of the kids were the opposite of friend material, but... Simply put, I had no time for their version of "learning". I'm now homeschooling my 3 going on 4 kids. ❤️
Wow! I am homeschooling an 8 year old boy. May I ask where you are located? I am in Quebec, Canada and I'm looking for a place Canada or the US where there is a homeschool community. You can play the violin? You know Japanese? You're ahead of 90% just with that alone. And I bring my son to visit his grandparents often which is the only thing keeping us here. Seniors are so important!
Homeschool is not for all parents. Sorry to say but not all parents are knowledgeable even after reading a teaching books. School is not for everyone but work for general population. I have friend who attend university, he does not need to learn so he only attend exam days and skip all lectures. That is fine too. But not everyone can be like him. Uneducated/not smart parents will make the same version of themselves if they copy their education onto their children through homeschool.
@@cerebraldreams4738 "It depends on the quality of his children." I agree with that. I'd also submit that the chances are extremely high that the quality of children will diminish when you're raising 11 of them. And that's without adding in an element of homeschooling. Which can be great, but generally speaking (and I admit this part is speculative) very large families where the parents homeschool their children tend to come with shall we say certain forms of ideological persuasion.
Just completed 13 years of homeschool and my daughter is off to an ivy league school. The point is can you create a better education than a public school? Homeschooling was a full time job for my wife and a half time job for myself. If a parent homeschools, it means you are committing to going back to school yourself. Think about that before you trash the "system."
We homeschool our kids, its definitely not something to be taken lightly. But i Definitely agree, if your going to send your kids to public school, you need to be present and aware of what they are learning and working on.
I was essentially homeschooled as well as having a state school education. But I could easily have done without the state school education. Both of my parents have been in academia or are academics to this day and I only ended up having to go home from school at night and ask them to clarify what the hell I'd just been taught in school because the teaching quality was so poor. I only passed my high school grades because my father was willing to untangle the knots and teach me things like algebra properly.
It is difficult to learn from school, because they lecture without context, and then you leave class not understanding what the fuck was being taught. And the lack of meaning makes students discouraged to learn the material at home. You need a passionate mentor who cares.
My four of my siblings and I were all homeschooled by my father. All of us scored much higher than the average on the SAT, all earned four year degrees (plus a mba in my case) from good schools and are living successful lives.
Homeschooling is a blessing that I am forever grateful for. I was homeschooled until college and was appalled at the brainwashing I got from teachers, other students, etc. Cant undervalue the critical thinking that you learn from independent study.
“even rats know when to leave a sinking ship.” Most humans: So what you're saying is we should keep going to public education. Me: Who wished I could've been homeschooled. 🤦♂️
My mother is a college professor. She decided to take the time to homeschool me and my 3 sisters. 3rd grade to 9th grade. Had friends that were also homeschooled. I went to high school at a public school and spent 3 years not learning a damned thing.
My youngest son spent the first 6 years (K-5) being homeschooled. In those years, he was not only taught well (by his mother, primarily) but he also “learned”, how to learn. He became an avid reader and a problem solver. Consequently, he went though grades 6-12 in regular public school, making straight A’s and was put on the principal’s trophy and received several scholarships and awards. He went on to college and was hired by Apple before he even graduated. He was in sports, baseball, volleyball etc, varsity basketball, was on several clubs (chess being his favourite) and on several committees during his High School career. He is a well rounded, intelligent and social person. The only thing he missed from the early years of “normal” school were all the foolishness and poor education system’s that have destroyed our young people’s minds.
Dr. Peterson needs to do a little more research on home-school. Studies show that overall, home school children do far better, even under "untrained" mothers, than average state school children. All six of our kids were home-schooled; all did exceptionally well in college and their subsequent careers. Furthermore, our experience is not unique; every home-schooling family we know (and that numbers literally, in the hundreds) have had a similar results. In fact, the "failures" are almost negligible, especially if state-school graduates are used as a comparison. The fear of the Oedipal Mother devouring her children is infinitely less dangerous than the Leviathan State which uses the Public Schools as indoctrination centers. The research is there sir, and has been available now in the States for three decades; there really is no excuse for not knowing what an effective alternative there is to State education.
Right on! As a former home-schooling mom I can say I have never met a "failed" home-schooled kid, but sure have met a lot of public school educated failures.
The Real Killer B Did you not listen? He was speaking favorably about homeschooling. all he said was that important decisions like this should be carefully evaluated and planned out. He's telling people to be smart and honest in their approach.
I heard him say he increasingly is in favor of homeschooling. But one must be careful and not make the situation worse by being ill prepared. There are a lot of associations to help parents now. Listen to Dr. Peterson's videos on listening. I don't say that to be demeaning, but it helped me listen better.
*@The Real Killer B* also look at the rate of pedophiles in Catholic Churches vs public schools. Or look up the rate of violence in public schools vs homeschooling (or virtually any other institution). And then there’s the well-refined full spectrum cradle-to-grave indoctrination: it’s ideological subversion in action. Public school is a dangerous place to put a young impressionable person. In terms of pedophilia, violence, and irrational anti human mental programming. It’s also an oppressive approach designed (look into the Prussian origins) to make dumb obedient soldiers for the state. If you think about it this way, it’s clear the public schools are actually doing a great job already. If you want smart well-adjusted kids I would stay clear of public schools.
Hilarious, parents are responsible for vast portion of abuses against children, so your logic is flawed BobWidlefish. I bet many of these parents that chose to homeschool are republican and indoctrinate their children into religion and favour creationist science over actual science. No, home-schooling is far more dangerous because it lets parents isolate their worldview and force theirs (and their political views) on their children, in public school they have the chance to figure things out for themselves and learn much more than what parents can offer. "Parents know best" is bullshit.
I was homeschooled my whole life. But my mom hardly enforced learning and could usually be found at her computer playing games or on social media, or else on the phone while smoking. I learned very little until I decided to take my education into my own hands at 20 years old during the pandemic. Ever since I've made learning my top priority outside of work. I know my mom meant well, but the trauma of long-term isolation, loneliness, fomo, and inadequacy still looms like a dark cloud. I am now much smarter than most of my coworkers, but despite this I still feel stupid, and all I do aside from work is study despite not being in college.
Went through a very similar situation... what matters is that you noticed the problems and are making efforts to change the situation... you will do great just need to believe in yourself and keep pushing yourself to learn more.
@Jesus Christ Not really. I insisted on going to a real school time and time again but she insisted that she could do a better job at teaching, and that I would be mercilessly bullied and brainwashed in the public school system. Despite this she rarely enforced learning and couldn't stick to a routine or method. I had no guidance. When I first entered the workplace as an adult I was the stupidest and most incompetent person in any given room and socializing gave me frequent panic attacks. I had to fight like hell to raise myself where my mother never had.
God bless you. Never give up. Keep striving. That's what life is about anyway---to fail, to get up and learn and take adventures, to love, to be kind and compassionate. So just keep loving with that openness and positivity. And learn to laugh at all of it. Humor helps a lot. ❤️ You are inspiration to all who are in your situation.
I just want to say that you are magnificent and brilliant as you are. You are enough and there’s only one you! Don’t forget that! Can I just say and make this very clear that just because you didn’t go to college, does not make you any more less than someone who has or does go to college. I’ve met so many stupid and ignorant people who are so darn book smart that they didn’t have shit for brains when it came to basic common sense, common knowledge and common courtesy. More than half those people who in close friends with, ended up studying for years on end. They studied so so hard in college only to end up working as something completely different to what they were studying after all those years - as this could be for many reasons. So regardless of a person who could have bachelor degrees and all the awards in college, doesn’t mean that they’re better than those who didn’t attend college. A good heart and moral compass matters far more memorable and respected.
You do realize that the ability to solve your own problems, think for yourself and pull yourself up by the bootstraps despite loneliness is a skill most people never learn? You sound like you turned out just fine to me ☺️
I was public schooled most of my life and believed the myth that homeschool kids are “weird” until I became friends with some when I was in university and found them to be intelligent, empathetic and down to earth. Looking back, I do wish I was homeschooled - for at least part of my education if not most. I was bullied in public school for being a new immigrant and there were a few years from grade 3-5 where it affected my education and I didn’t learn much bc of the bullying. Finally learned to stand up for myself a bit in 6th grade but dang, what a waste of 2 years where I could’ve been having fun and learning 🤦🏻♀️
My personal experience-based summary of the proposition of homeschooling: Pros: -Allows opportunity for: --More effective learning --Avoidance of state-based indoctrination --Better transmission of chosen culture and values --*More rounded education* Cons: -Risks: --*Lack of development of social-interaction skills* --Small-mindedness and/or parental indoctrination --Less academic rigor --*Diminished personal capability due to lack of independence and/or prolonged infantilism* Critical Success Factors: -Intelligence of parents -*Emotional intelligence of parents* -*Temperamental compatibility of family members* -Availability of quality integrateable community The Critical Success Factors are especially important - please consider them carefully if you are thinking of undertaking homeschooling.
Data? Like with your own post, I make no claim that my assertions are supported by data. It is resultant from, as I indicated, personal experience: Specifically, I have seen that entire list of concepts actualized in varying configurations, in many people/situations, over years. Further, you will note that I've presented the benefits and drawbacks of homeschooling as opportunities and risks - as opposed to guaranteed actualities. The rest of your post is just an apologia for the 'Critical Success Factors' I listed - presented in the frame of an assumption that I've posited school, and specifically *public* school, as a necessarily better education system. So I have to ask -- what exactly are you arguing? Do you seriously not accept that lack of development of social skills or diminished personal capability are real and meaningful risks regarding the proposition of homeschooling?
AntisepticHandwash How do you follow Jordan Peterson and think Emotional Intelligence is a proper concept? If my comment hasn't given it up already, EI isn't what it sounds. It's another name for a mixture of Openness, Politeness and Agreeableness. It's not a thing.
When I taught private art classes, my homeschooled students (and I had many, because those parents were looking for opportunities to socialize them outside the home) were generally the most focused, courteous and mature. It was very, very noticeable.
I chose to homeschool out of necessity. I never believed in homeschooling. Until my child came down with a disease from a tick, it was not planned. I choose the Charlotte Mason Method. It’s a gentle style but rich education. I love teaching and she loves learning. She never wanted to go back after getting well. She said I finally feel like I’m being educated. School is a challenge and a joy. I’m finally getting concepts that I struggled to learn and no one could give me an answer I understood. Despite being in 8th grade and in algebra 2. She still didn’t understand fractions. She couldn’t explain it. In home ec, she finally got the concept. Real world education. No dry boring textbooks. History read as a narrative rather than crusty facts. Science was what parts she wanted to learn about. She did zoology, human anatomy, physic and chemistry. It’s been my greatest joy to teach my daughter about the world. It’s awesome to see her have a say in her education. I’d wished I would have started sooner.
I have been a teacher and a soccer coach for 15 years, I can always tell the children who have been homeschooled, and/or have stay at home mom's. They are always more polite, grounded, and act their age. They have not been hardened by a broken system.
I love how he separates himself from other speakers by looking at both sides of the coin and not just shoving his own point of view. He makes people think and act according to their own necessities.
Here's what you can expect from public education: the opportunity to learn, at a suboptimal rate, surrounded by suboptimal people, according to goals written by people who were not and are not professional educators. You can get a quality education in public school if you are strong willed, self motivated, and willing to learn. You can get the socialization experience (which I don't recommend, as I believe societies made by children to be cancerous) that, with proper parenting, can teach a child to develop thick skin, to be self determining, and to observe a healthy skepticism for other humans and their motivations. You can also get opportunities to develop skills and challenge yourself in athletics. But in all things in public ed. you will experience the feeling of being limited by the lowest common denominators of your population.
Alloran Some other things you learn in school. How to do drugs. get a venereal disease from black kids get pregent, hate white people and live off the government.
@@freddiemercury4evr everything I wrote is true. The only answer liberals have is to call people who tell the truth racist. What did I say that was not true you race hustling poverty pimp.
I'm only addressing one aspect of what you said: You are right that classrooms in public schools move at the pace of the lowest common denominator (which are often not the least bright students, but the lazy and/or disruptive ones who just want to loaf). The brightest and most motivated students thus have to battle massive boredom and frustration, because they know they're being held back. Even for the most self-motivated ones who will work on their own to learn what their classes don't cover, this boredom and frustration have a depressing effect on the spirit. One of the best things about home schooling is that kids are free to learn as much as they can as fast as they can, without being dragged down and held back from their potential. I think of it as "No Child Allowed to Excel" rather than "No Child Left Behind."
I was homeschooled during my elementary years and continued the rest of my schooling in public and private schools. I think keeping younger children home to learn, not only their schooling, but also their lessons of life and self care and absorbing their parents warnings of the world and the people in it is an extreamily possitive and valuable thing in someone's life. While I did want to go to school as a younger child, I think the benefits heavily out way that desire. And upon attending actual schools, I found I really preferred the homeschooling(although I did need to stay in the school system to gain the social aspect I had previously missed, which was also of great value).
Homeschool seems impossible and wrong because we’ve become dependent on dropping off our kids at 8am and picking up at 3pm. It’s not impossible to change our ways of life and do it correctly. During a better time a schoolhouse had no more than 20 children. A group homeschool study can create this. And for those that work gets in the way, what’s more important? Money or the future of your children? You have the amazing ability to shape your own and their future. Decide what’s most important
I think the trend towards remote working encouraged by the pandemic has made homeschooling more possible. In the US, the numbers of homeschooling families have more than doubled since the schools closed for COVID and those numbers have remained more or less stable since the schools opened back up.
I wouldn't let my future kids anywhere near public schooling. As a monk on retreat I'd like to distance them from all of Society. My issue is how then will they meet to reproduce.
The reason a lot of people that were homeschooled are so damn weird is because their parents fed up with the incompetence of public schools, forget about the social aspect of school. They think all their children need is to learn a bunch of stuff in front of a computer and that's all. That computer in front of them does not hold all the answers, they need to learn how to socialize with other kids as well, that's actually even more important then a lot of the things any curriculum can give you, the ability to deal with other people, vital to landing a job and keeping the job, the reason kids are expected to go to school for in the first place.
He says the alternative to public education is difficult. No it’s not. If you want to homeschool your children, you are passionate about it! I love my kids like no one else can, I want to be with them, I want to experience the joy of learning WITH them. That is NOT difficult.
Just because it's not difficult for you doesn't mean it's not difficult to others. Single moms can't homeschool. If you have a child who has no siblings and it's introvert, homeschooling is not that great of an idea. Also many parents don't have bachelor's degree to be allowed legally to home school.
Well, I think for most of us homeschool moms, we love it and it's joyful, but it's also difficult. I wouldn't want to sugar-coat it too much for anyone considering it. Living on one income requires a lot of hard work and sacrifice, but yes, it's worth it.
@@purplerose5316 Not that I would suggest it for every single mom, but there are single moms who find a way to homeschool on a shoestring budget and shoestring time.
I was homeschooled in grades 2-4. We were living in a part of Boston called Back Bay, and the nearby public schools were absolutely terrible (I’m talking lead paint, low funds, bad location, etc.). My parents couldn’t afford to send me to a private school, and so I was homeschooled. I hated every minute of it, and I was thrilled when I got to go back to public school, but now I realize that homeschooling was best for my family at the time. My mom was a great teacher. I learned a lot from her, especially math, but I wanted to be with other kids and I wanted a teacher that wasn’t my mom!
I was homeschooled and loved it and had plenty of opportunities to “socialize” and plan on homeschooling my daughter. Also statistically homeschooled kids score very highly on state tests and SATs/ACTs. And...bad parenting is bad parenting whether you homeschool or not.
I think when 'Lots to Learn' says schools he means primary/elementary schools. I think when 'john doe' says schools he means universities. You're talking at cross purposes.
Probably not. The way kids avoid the bullshit is that they go into Stem. Two of my kids are in life sciences. When running into parents they all say their kids want to be biomedical engineers. Logically where do all these University specialties come from if they aren't getting high marks in the school.
Look at the numbers. More students would take STEM if they could. They can't because their interest in science was destroyed at school between the ages of 10-15.
Irving Ceron - If Johnny Bricklayer wants to start his own limited company he to will enjoy the benefits of a lower corporation tax. It may even be the thing that makes it economically viable for him to do so in the first place. 35% is ridiculous. 20% is more reasonable and WILL cause growth. Don’t believe partisan propaganda so willingly.
I went to a homeschooling program when I was 13 and ended up getting my GED. Even though at times I was lonely because I didn’t get the “high school” experience, I look at education and schooling in a completely different way. I’m in college now and I have outdone most of my peers are far as learning capabilities and knowledge retention. Looking back, I see that I was able to actually ponder on subjects, choose more things that I thought was interesting and take the time to retain the knowledge. In public school, I was struggling immensely and felt pressured to do things I wouldn’t normally do in order to fit in socially. In homeschooling, never felt like educating myself was a chore. I didn’t exactly enjoy it then but looking back, I wouldn’t change it.
I learned SO MUCH MORE being home schooled and loved it. I went to public school for high school to get used to that "system" to be ready for when i went off for college ...and HS was boring, slow, regimented to an idiotic degree, the kids were immature and disrespectful... its was such a step BACKWARDS. If you can, homeschool your kids
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Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.
-Mark Twain
I got more educated on half a year of youtube and I am still going strong. People often says to me I am well articulated, I already know its because of Jordan Peterson's videos. Even better than that, he helped me to organize my psyche which is really important to me. We can see in a lot of aspects that our generation is having a lot of societal problems and still we didnt learnt in school enough about it. It should prepare us to be better individuals but it doesnt even give some advices or anything useful. Most of th things that we needed to learn just went directly to the trash and its not even because I dont love learning I just hate how high school is about pure memorization. Im glad that in College its more serious and you can actually learn useful things.
Sorry. Fake internet quote. Twain never said that.
School is not a place for smart people
-Rick from Rick and Morty
Provide me with evidence then. Fix my schooling. I'll wait.
@@mrpankau Grant Allen, a contemporary of twain is the source of the quote. That aside ... it is still a truism to those who wish to achieve.
"If you send your kids to Caesar for their education, don't be surprised when they come back as Romans." -Voddie Baucham.
nrse82 Arminius has been educated by Romans and later defeated Varus.
Raise a child in the way...
@@louismart That's an exception, the irony of his life is he was decisively defeated by the roman twice by germanicus and murdered by opponents within his own tribe who felt that he was becoming too powerful.
@@peterongan9655 I didn’t know that. Cruel times.
How true
I am eternally grateful for my mother for homeschooling me. She had 6 kids and homeschooled all of us and encouraged us to go to college. When I was a teen, I would sometimes cry when my friends who went to public school would tell me the things that happened to them at school. The things that they experienced were appalling. I escaped that terrible damage because my mother loved me enough to homeschool me. My mom has been scorned and called "over protective" which angers me. So loving me enough to remove me from situations like bullying, drugs, and porn is "over protective?" I can't thank her enough for saving me from the public schools and a damaged childhood. God bless you mom.
Vivienne Campbell , you are amongst the few blessed kids to have such a dedicated mum !
Homeschooling mums need to receive the praises they deserve !!! ❤
Dont fear the future and how you would fit in because you were raised as " those that make it happen against all odds"
Whole communities were against our choices but we raised great children that are the envy of their time !
There is a great difference between homeschooling and " no schooling"
I was one of the nay sayers thinking homeschooled kids were weird.
I am now a homeschooling mom because I know first hand that the school system is broken and overpopulated. As a parent, I disapprove of it. As a student, I saw the freedom it gave me to misbehave in ways my mother never would have allowed.
As a mother who homeschools, this is really encouraging to read. Thank you for sharing your perspective.
All the trauma I’ve had in my life came from other kids in my public schooling. Not from my family. I wish I had been homeschooled. Instead I grew up worrying about how to fit in which led me down all sorts of paths I didn’t need to go down.
I was homeschooled k-12. Hated it as a kid, appreciate it eternally as an adult.
Justin Smith lucky bastard.
Easy street nice
Justin Smith I don’t know, certainly not for everyone. Have a friend who was homeschooled, and he lives like he’s a teenager living in 2004 but he’s 25 and can’t do basic math, and literacy comprehension is quite low. But he speaks well enough and is a 2nd degree black belt in Teakwondo so clearly has skills outside the academics.
Why are you grateful about it?
loved it as a kid because i could do whatever i wanted. hate it as an adult because i missed out on learning social skills.
Is no one going to mention how caring and thoughtful that mother was?
Not just one, at least two. That mother is caring and thoughtful
I was amazed by the people who would challenge me about homeschooling, as if I hadn't spent hours and hours reading books, talking to my husband, talking to people who had themselves homeschooled, learning everything available to me about a choice I was making relevant to the people to whom I owed the highest standard of care. I guess that isn't always the case with parents. Many people never question societal norms. I was lucky enough to have learned early in life
I remember one mother challenging me. She'd been able through all sorts of machinations to have a child late in life, a baby miracle, whom she promptly dropped off with all manner of caregiver at the ripe old age of 6 weeks, so that she could maintain her lifestyle. Go figure.
Anyway, I am so loving this comment section.
@@maritlebliss Absolutely!! you'd be impressed with the level of ignorance throwing stones at u for deciding on whats best for your kids.. the world needs diversity i guess
She was well spoken, soft spoken, and thoughtful.
I'm fifteen, been homeschooled all my life, and not for one second have I considered attending public school. The kids I know who do are overloaded with homework and stressed out all the time, there's an incredible amount of pressure from teachers and peers. Meanwhile I learn at my own pace, studying what I know to be important. Kids need to be kids. People worry that I don't socialise enough, but it's better to have a couple of decent friends and your head screwed on right than to have plenty of friends and your priorities in all the wrong places. I know too many people whose lives have been messed up because of bad influence from school. I'd rather be safe and sound at home with my parents and siblings.
Edit 2023:
I still get many responses to this comment years later. Some people are very positive and others negative. I am about to be eighteen and have worked in education for the past two years, first as a volunteer and now an employee - if I were a public school kid, I would still be in year 12 rather than making money and gaining valuable experience. The school I work at has a better reputation than others around yet I still could not picture sending my own kids there and hope to quit education and move on in the near future, as the education standards do not align with my own values. The children are bored and learn very little every day. They are told not to question teachers. They have only a small percentage of the freedom I had at their age and the longer I see this happening, the more I realise school - at least the way school is run generally - is an unnatural and stifling institution. Children deserve better than this. Homeschooling has only shaped me positively. I was able to develop my hobbies to the point that I believe they may lead me to real professions one day, and it wouldn't have been possible in the school environment. I may seem young and biased, but I am not totally inexperienced and I know my own mind.
Same! I’m homeschooled too. So much cooler and calmer than public school. I’m 16 😁
@@joselynalmonte Hurrah for homeschooling! 🥳
You’re very bright! I was homeschooled all my life, with the exception of a couple of days in the 9th grade to test out traditional high school and then ultimately went back to homeschooling. I am so grateful for my upbringing now, as an adult. I love learning and have never felt like it was a chore.
i think you’re experiencing a bit of confirmation bias. standard high school was not nearly as bad as you’re making it seem
@@purpleboy4949 I understand that there are good schools and bad schools, but the majority of high schoolers I have met are miserable phone addicts. The high school bus drops kids off right near my house and most of them don't even bother to make eye contact or respond when I speak to them. I just see what I see and I don't like it. It doesn't look so good for the high schools, in my opinion, when they boast of their accepting environment and eager students while the kids are too busy dealing with social pressure and issues around them to even care about learning.
I was homeschooled from the 8th grade on. I begged my parents to homeschool me. And it was honestly the best decision of my life (this far). I got a good taste of what public school is like, I got social skills, and then I got out. I ended up graduating 2 years early and I had my AA by the time I was 18. AND because of homeschool, I worked almost full time for a lot of my teen years, which gave me real world experience, and a good savings for starting a successful adult life. My best friend did the same thing, and neither one of us regret it for a second. The pros far outweigh the cons.
Yet it is not suitable for most children. Homeschooling will deprive normal children of the social environment that school is. It is not only about learning but also a place to make friends (sometimes for life) and bonding with other groups of people that you would not encounter if you were homeschooled. Something Peterson should also have mentioned.
The socialization argument is no longer valid. Homeschool is becoming more mainstream and there are plenty of social groups dedicated to homeschooled children. Some people think they have to send their children to school as dictated by the government. Some people are not educated themselves and cannot teach them what they need to know. Some people are just plain lazy or would rather have two incomes than get by on one. High school socialization cannot compare to socializing with children who have been brought up to respect others and be accountable for their own actions. As a bonus, they do not have to be forced into accepting a teacher's own views or curriculum not accepted by the parents.
There's a progressive series of errors when assuming "humans" are all the same. There are several levels of amount of intelligence, knowledge, health, beauty, etc. that will make people's living experiences very different, within the same scenario. Obviously someone with intelligent and caring parents will be better off being educated by these people. Someone with an ex-prostitute for a mother and an ex-drunk prisoner as a father , will benefit for going to public schools. Is there a real benefit for people in higher living standards to get a close experience to "the underground"? Learn what it's like to be a crack whore? To be in fist fights? To spend a few months in prison? Surely these are all "strong life lessons", but is it really worth it?
When you already have functional concepts working for you, is it really worthy to test several other hypothesis that have 99,9% empirical evidence that perform less efficiently?
The problem is (now... that is the problem) most people do not have enough resources to function too well in our current society (brain power, intellectual capacity). One of the main reasons for that is the fact that most people come from "peasant cultures", or what I refer to as _the serf mentality_ . It is, generally speaking, a set of beliefs that trap these people in the position of inferiority. They have always to delegate authority. It is a general belief that they must depend on others to decide and regulate the social system. The only reason why governments work is that the majority of people believe things must be this way. The peasant mentality is like a poison to people who have the intellectual potential to be in higher positions (more civilized, more in control of their own lives). It drags people down, it lowers I.Q.
That's basically what's happening everywhere with this "political correctness" and "everybody is equal" ideologies. They are beneficial to masses of lower I.Q. people with peasant mentalities, but they're an affront to people above a certain level of knowledge and intelligence.
the high school i went to had homeschooled kids in some of the elective courses like sports and choir
Well Yeah. I went to a co-op as part of homeschooling once a week. I had to get along with Mennonites, Quakers, Calvinists, libertarians, young kids, older kids, you name it. I feel like I could get along with other people better than public schoolers. In public school everyone wants you to agree, but in homeschooling, we were all fine with agreeing in one thing, that we were glad we were homeschooled.
I hated public school. I was bullied so badly in 8th grade that I was 24 before I could talk about it. All this talk about homeschoolers not being socialized...I had no social skills. My peers were having sex at 13. In high school, drugs were prevelant and sold by the guidence counselor; the hallways belonged to different social groups (jocks, preps, skids, grundge...) and you didn't walk where you didn't belong. I started smoking at 14 because I needed to fit in somewhere and ended up on the smoking hill with all the rejects who couldn't find a hallway that would accept them. I would have sold my teeth for homeschooling.
Sister Peter Ditto
I think 'socialised' is merely a code word for being brought into conformity with one's peers. Everyone knows kids are becoming increasingly degenerate at increasingly younger ages. This ensures they embrace the hyper-consumerist lifestyle waiting for them out in secular, Godless society.
Wow. Sorry to hear but thank you for this. Helps to reinforce that I am making the right decision to homeschool my kids.
tvzuropa If you are diligent and organized then you are making the best choice. Help your children become the best versions of themselves.
The only caution I have for homeschoolong parents is don't shelter your teenage kids otherwise they will not be prepared when they leave home and are bombarded with a secular world that seeks their destruction through hedonism.
Sister Peter when did you go to school?
I always felt bad for homeschooled kids when I was growing up, now I feel bad for myself and all my former classmates
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th-cam.com/video/Ns28oYxGURA-/w-d-xo.html I’d love to know your thoughts on this
ditto!!!!
I now homeschool my 4 kids and wish that I had this same type of childhood. I went to public school and feel like I missed out on all of this beautiful family time and creative learning.
A common paradox often not confronted:
Person: Homeschooling kids don't learn how to properly socialize.
Every School Teacher At Some Point: Settle down. You're not here to socialize.
Excellent point.
That’s a little bit disingenuous. Kids learn to socialize through classroom activities as well as outside of the classroom during free time. Homeschooling doesn’t give children the same access to other kids and differing adult opinions which has a tendency to stifle emotional growth.
Joyne Freedom I suppose that’s fine while the child is younger, but once they reach a certain age, I feel that it’s better for them to have a wide range of unstructured social interactions. You can’t provide the type I am talking about. I think homeschooled children are homogenized and many tend to lack personality because they are exposed to life in a bubble.
I spent pre-K to 6th grade in an environment similar to homeschool. I hated it and asked to be put into regular public school. I realized I was very out of place and it took me several years to be able to integrate with the other children. My sister continued through that private school and I’m not sure she ever became properly socialized. She hardly has any friends at 34 years old despite all the extra curricular activities she was a part of growing up.
That's actually because in school kids socialize SO MUCH that it's hard to get them to stop socializing and focus for a while
@Joyne Freedom who is supposed to be the one to teach the children? The parents (Deut. 6:4; Proverbs 6:20-23). No one should steal them away from the protection of their father and mother no matter what preconceived ideas they have about home schooling are. We don't need preconceptions about public or private schooling, we can see it happening before our eyes on the news and with our friends everyday, and I know I went through the whole public system. Hopelessness and godlessness and the masses of people who have attempted suicide. Watch Exit the Movie free at www.fullyfreefilms.com for more info.
Send your kids off to Cesar and they will become good Romans. My Dad would say this about public schools all the time.
your dad is wise
Left-handed Texan nothing wrong with teaching kids the reality that we live within a controlled govermental system. They need to learn how to live in it.
Brilliant!
I plan to use your Dad's wisdom toward our homeschool naysayers!
LOVE THIS!!!!!!!
@@karaa7595 "We live in a corporate drone system, they need to learn how to stay in line and be corporate drones" How about no? Let kids learn true things, self-study and be free thinkers. These are the people who will change the world. I only started in highschool, but I'm one of them. Conformists should fear us. We are breaking your chains, and our children will never feel those chains on their wrists. Your cozy little dystopia is falling apart. Get ready. Freedom is rising.
I was homeschooled. It is what made my childhood wonderful, imaginative, creative, carefree, and joyful. I was free to learn, play and grow on my terms. Public school robs people of their childhood, their sense of personhood through free thought, an emotionally stable future, and lifelong curiosity.
Absolutely. Very well said! - Fellow homeschooler. :)
It also gives good social skills earlier on which can be lacking in homeschooled children
My homeschooling experience was just the opposite. What's good for the goose isn't always good for the gander. But I'm glad to hear yours was a success
@@MrsGarzilla if you were homeschooled, doesn’t that also mean you didn’t experience public school?
And If you didn’t experience public school, why is your opinion of it valid?
Man I went to schools, had a great childhood, found a career i love and am constantly learning new things afterwards even outside my career. Its really not that bad.
I was a Home school teacher for some eleven years for subjects the parents of my local homeschooling group did not feel capable of teaching. I can say without reservation that the home schooling students I met were far more socially mature and academically advanced than any government schooled kid I ever met. The reason for this is simple (once I figured it out). From whom do kids learn to be successful adults? From adults obviously. Who spends more time with adults, Home Schooled kids or Government schooled kids? This is not quantum physics.
In a government school, it's one teacher to 20-30 students. When homeschooled, it's one teacher to one student, correct?
@@floofzykitten5236 depends on how many kids in the family and whether or not the child went to any outside classes, which is fairly common. Regardless, the student teacher ratio in homeschooling is much smaller for sure.
The question is then asked, "socially mature in what sense?" I can honestly say I was more "socially mature" with adults at the age of 14, 15, 16, 17, but when I was with my own age group, I was ignorant. This is completely true of homeschool kids. The greatest thing a public education provides students is interacting within their own peer group. The education they receive is completely useless, meaningless, and irrelevant. I can safely say that a fifth grader can go straight into college and outperform the vast majority of high schoolers, given the fifth grader's time for maturing. In all honesty, the less time someone spends learning the material taught in K-12, the better.
Homeschool is a parental commitment hence both parents probably don't work. State school is child care to enable both parents to contribute to society whether they seek social advancement or seek to meet the basic needs no longer possible with one wage. Mix unruly kids in the homeschool environment and everyone fails. Social engineering obviously works through pupil selection for homeschooling which isn't much of s surprise, hence the grade inflation through focused peers. You haven't beaten the system by fixing your pupil selection. Then there's the spectre of parent led indoctrination which, as Peterson suggests, can be even more malign than the states, especially when group think indoctrinates, which appears possible if multi parent teaching is being offered to cover all academic subjects. There is a process of problem, consequences, and cause, when thought of in reverse, and I don't think homeschooling addresses the cause or causes. It's more complex at heart.
“Far more socially mature” that is a bold statement that I don’t believe and I don’t believe you truly believe, and I feel you are using that to support your opinion with out actually thinking if it is true or not. Also based off of the conversations you’ve had with other people who agree with you, it helps you tell yourself that you’re right,because you’re just want to believe it. It’s just not true though. I was homeschooled up until 4th grade then private school, 6th and 7th- homeschool, 8th and 9th public, 10th homeschool then 11th and 12th college.....in general, if I think hard about it what I truly observed, there are a bigger percent of homeschooled kids who are socially awkward (I went to a one day a week homeschool program each year I was homeschooled, I know. ) I just feel like you’re telling yourself that’s the truth because you want to have that opinion. Be honest with yourself. And think if that’s what you actually believe. Not here to be negative and cause problems, I am a truth searcher and I sense bs. Whether you realize it or not.
Why do we assume that homeschooled kids are less “socialized”? There was in fact a study showing that those who were homeschooled actually showed greater community involvement as adults.
Furthermore define “socialized”: is it always positive? Is there such a thing as negative socializing?
What happens to the guy that goes to prison and is surrounded by wretched individuals. When he comes out after a few years and he has developed some interesting pathological behaviour and become more hardened than ever, isn’t that also an example of socializing?
It’s not always positive.
"Socialized" is a replacement word for conformity. Everybody is treated the same, and the same means like a worthless sub-human (literally!) who just needs to do what the teachers demand. School is a labor camp. It is slavery minus the benefit to the slaver.
I agree. They don't have gymnasium peer pressure talks because of the overwhelming amount of positive reinforcement of good values placed in children by their schoolmates.
I'll be honest the only public schooled kid I know doesn't know how to speak to kids his own age really, he sort of acts like a 50 year old upper class English man
I wouldn't say less socialized but you miss a lot of important lessons for example how not to get bullied
@@abcdxx1059 Homeschool kids are less codependent. It's hard to bully someone who won't deal with your crap.
I have been bullied as an adult, and I understand it's because I'm weird and I don't follow the social hierarchy because I think it's stupid. It never had an affect on my life, however.
Homeschooling my kids at the moment. Wife practically decided she would quit her career and do the heavy lifting herself and told me to focus on paying the bills and keep the roof over our heads intact. Friends would tell us that when they talk to our kids they feel like talking to adults.
That's not a good thing lol
Lucky you
@@udbhav122351d Yes it is a good thing. Children are idiots until they spend enough time being taught by people with more experience. Being around other people who are just as dumb as you are, does not improve you.
I think you and your wife are doing the right thing by your family. Defined roles. You will reap the rewards. All the best
Its not wrong teenage isn't a natural thing.
in some nations weren't there teenagers they would become a grown mens between 10-13 for EX
Its just because of our system nowadays we think kids should fool around tell 21 lmao
Ask any anthropologist.
Public school caused much trauma and pain in my life. I am totally 100% in agreement with anyone’s choice to homeschool their children.
Me too. School almost destroyed me. Now in my 60's, I've never fully recovered.
Same here. I'm sure that if my parents hadn't homeschooled me in the end, I would have eventually killed myself
Same. I attempted suicide 2 times as a teen. I never really got over the trauma so I've been homeschooling my own children.
Man!!! Agreed! Never thought of that but yes, all my trauma goes back to my high school days and now, thanks to u, I realized why I’ve always dreamed of homeschooling my kids and now we’re 3 years in and my 7 year old loves it!
@@toby9999 My worst fear is that I’ll never recover😭
i did both homeschool and public school, in and out sorta deal.
i noticed that when i was homschooling and exploring the internet for things i found a lot of interest in and watching documentaries that i was learning a lot about what i thought was important.
when i went back to public school i found they completely bastardized my favorite topics and forced me to do stupid unnecessary shit just for a number on a piece of paper.
Lain, I found that when my girls left home schooling to go to private, then public school (around 7th grade) they went from being voracious readers to reading maybe one or two books a year for pleasure. Did you have that experience? My girls were just so burnt out from being in school all day learning from dry textbooks, and having lots of homework, that they just wanted to goof off in the little free time they had. As home schoolers, they also had the same experience of being very fascinated with documentaries, and actually had favorite subjects, but when in school they lost any love for learning. As adults, they both rediscovered their love of reading (fiction and non-fiction), which they both attribute to having it nurtured in home school where there was lots of time and good books to read.
Me too!
You described my experience, these days I continue my education on my own. I'm convinced publicly subsidized organizations and programs are purely pantomime and numbers. Benefits to those enrolled are irrelevant, unfortunately.
Exactly. You're not allowed to learn what you're interested in. It's only about their guidelines and it stifles creativity and passion.
I always found homeschooled kids to be more genuine and warm to be around. They didn’t care about self image; perhaps because they were never forced to adapt one, and that is a good thing. At first I saw them as aloof, but now I envy them. They maintained an innocence that for many of us was robbed through public school by means of social hierarchy bullshit.
Still very possible with publicly schooled people, but rarer as it involves these publicly schooled kids to be wholly independent and uncaring of "needing to" fit in with people and lifestyles they have no care to integrate with. It requires self-confident kids who are secure in themselves.
You mean the hierarchies Jordan Peterson himself defend to death 🤣
@@carcorr Peterson didn’t invent social hierarchies, they exist apart from giving them a name
Perfectly said ! I agree.
Everything I learned about being successful in life my parents taught me or I learned from experience. Public school did nothing to prepare me for college or life.
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Facts!
Me too.
You learned to go to class, use a locker, behave. .. it's a societal tool. Master's or doctorate level is schooling ...
@@nr126 I learned how to keep appointments from watching my parents keep appointments and drag me along with them as a kid I learned how to socialize by roaming around the neighborhood with the dozen or so kids everyday on our bikes. Don't give me that societal trash.
It seems like homeschooling saves tons if time, not needing to ride the bus, recess, etc. And don't get me started on how much longer it takes teaching 30 kids instead of 1.
My kids learned to buckle down & they could get through their work in 2-3 hours, leaving hours to pursue creative/educational projects that appealed to them
john doe What? You're asking her what certification she has to teach her own children? You ought to look up the average test scores of homeschoolers vs public schoolers. Simply the fact that they are getting one-on-one attention, particularly earlier in their education, makes up for the mother's lack of higher education in the vast majority of circumstances. Who can't teach middle school, really. By high school they're probably in dual enrollment anyways, so you don't have to worry about that.
@ John Doe... look at the studies. HOmeschool kids soar on measures of academic success, and I've heard a great many case studies that describe the time it takes to get through the level of course work required by a regular school.
Their are losses involved in leaving the prescribed path, but there are gains in time and in the power of self direction too.
Moe F. I couldn't imagine loading my 8 kids up to take them to school every morning. Lol!!! Then the rat race to pick them up. Lol!!!
That is true.. However, those things are part of learning in a way.. I mean I was working for a security company as a training coordinator, and they would send the security camera operators to a Microsoft office course - the purpose? not to learn microsoft office, they wanted them to get used to using the mouse because that's what moves the camera.. So things like waiting on the bus and recess and all these things could add value.. That's time you spend walking to the bus in the morning, and waiting patiently on the bus, and time you spend around your peers during recess..Unless there are other things the kids do at home, those things could be something they are missing out on.. I don't really know if that's something that has particularly benefited me or others as far as an advantage over homeschooled individuals.. But certainly someone who walks an hour to and from work is better off (in terms of fitness-energy level) than someone who doesn't walk or make up for that..
I’ve noticed homeschooled kids are generally more intellectually curious, and think of learning not as a chore, confined to some prison-like building, but rather as a lifelong pursuit with its own intrinsic rewards and motivations.
I was homeschooled until college. When I tell people this, they can’t believe it. Graduated magma cum laude and finishing my masters this year. Been working full time since my junior year of undergrad. Paid for my own place, all my school, all bills etc since freshman year of college. The idea that public school is necessary for success is hilarious to me😂
@@EpsteinDidntKillHimself. Same here man! I was homeschooled. 97% percentile standardized test scores, just finished my mba at a top school. I laugh at how biased many are against homeschooled people.
@@fhowland it’s crazy how biased people are... Don’t get me wrong, I grew up hanging out with other homeschool kids. We were all pretty awkward. But you grow out of that the older you get. What you don’t grow out of is the work ethic, ability to learn independently, and critical thinking.
There is just the major downside of terrible social skills, that’s all.
@@leoa6589 Lol ok expert
I developed social anxiety, depression, OCD, and low self esteem from public school. Started homeschooling mayself at 15 and I’m much more educated and more mentally healthy now
how’d you do it? I’m wondering cause I’m doing the same and have no idea where to start
@@twatwaffle3258 Hi, I'm currently enrolled in college now and doing pretty well in life. I recommend doing things at your own pace and if public school has been a challenge, it's ok to do alternative schooling like independent studies. I've met lots of great people there who all felt like they didn't 'fit in'. But it can get a bit lonely not being around others as much. Just hang in there, do the things that develop confidence in yourself and make a plan for your future. It's ok to make mistakes but keep going and learning
@@nedakco1198 how did you graduate and go to college from homeschooling? I’m curious because I used to be homeschooled and want to go back.
My brother and I were homeschooled and my parents did a fantastic job. A lot of people claim that homeschooling will make children less socialised and that they'll have a hard time engaging with the 'real' world. In *my* experience the homsechooled peers I had were the exact opposite. I never had problems making friends and if anything was praised on being so outgoing and social. The value of homeschooling is entirely dependant upon the parents and the attitude they have.
Angelina depends on where you live. Google it. You'll find a website dedicated to directing you how to lawfully educate your children yourself. I live in Georgia, USA and my local website is GHEA.org
Ira Rose I believe you. The argument of the “socializing benefits” of attending traditional school is unproven empirically. People believe it because it makes intuitive sense but facts don’t always conform to conventional wisdom. My 9 year old was home schooled until the middle of her second grade and when she started traditional school she was “bored” and the schoolwork was “baby stuff” she said. Her dialogue of her day went from what new things she learned in her school lessons to what some problem kid was doing to upset the class. How does that prepare kids for healthy societal living? We are pulling her out of public school when she finishes the fifth grade and we’re going back to a home school curriculum. No need for her to learn what blowjobs are and all that crap when she is in middle school and that is the kind of topic that those kids are exposed to these days. The teachers? They show up and put on their defensive postures and hope to hell no kid complains loud enough to get them fired or cause them some career damage. They walk on egg shells and the kids are allowed to get away with anything since there is a medical label for every spoiled brat being raised by their lazy parents. I feel for the teachers, many I’m sure who were committed to teaching kids but are now stuck in a broken educational culture of political excuse and incoherence. It’s not their fault ...it’s the political system and the absolute nut job ideas imparted on the educational system since the 1960s. My daughter will be exposed to lesson topics at a rate of 4 to 5 times that she would at traditional public school. She’ll be able to travel in her education to learn first hand of the things she reads and studies in this country. She’ll be free of the ubiquitous distractions and mind numbing regimen of the public school “daycare” system which is all that public school is these days. We give up a salary to be able to do this but it is so much more with it than anything we could buy with that salary. In fact, the money netted after all the BS of a traditional job....even a high paying one is of marginal benefit....unless you are the kind of couple that needs new cars every couple of years and monthly car payments totaling over $2k per month. I drive a 12 year old car with 300k miles on it and my other car is a 10 year old BMW that my wife drives about 100 miles per month.
I work at a university, and I can often spot homeschoolers. They make eye contact, smile, converse respectfully with older generations, and aren't glued to their phones.
I don't know who these "well adjusted" public school kids are. A lot of the kids I see are maladapted and are limited to social contacts with their chronologically aged peers.
People who aim to homeschool their kids are generally more conscientious and concerned for USEFUL education. The core idea of education is to filter out bad behaviors and useless beliefs. When you throw a kid into anything "public", you're widening the filter, so to speak. there will be wider real world experience, but it comes with many "contaminants" that the _unfiltered world_ has. I mean, one can always send a kid to spend a few months in Brazilian favelas to learn _"a lot about different cultures and how hard life really is!"_ ,, the kid will socialize a lot, have multiple experiences... but are they the most beneficial?... Socializing and interacting with other people can actually be much more harmful. Actually, the most harmful things generally comes from open interactions within "public places" (unless, of course, you're trapped in a family that is comprised of the toxic harmful types of individuals).
One of the things that amazes me about home education is that despite neither my husband or I having a university education, all of our seven children have turned out to be well educated, employable adults. They are also great at socialising and are very confident- probably because they could chose who they wanted to hang around with. We have been so blessed. I’d recommend home education to anyone, as long as you are fully committed.
My husband and I do have college educations but we aren’t buying into the lie that a degree is a must! Whether our children are plumbers, big rig drivers, or doctors, we are preparing them to desire knowledge and to know how to learn!
I have a Bachelor’s degree in economics (one of the highest paid majors) and my husband has no degree. He makes way more money than I ever did. 🤣
A degree is not a must.
😂😂😂😂 oh I'm sure you think you educated them properly
I was homeschooled by my mother since I was in first grade. I had a wonderful experience, learned alot, and, most importantly I learned to love learning. The lessons that I learned have led me to go to community college at 16, achieve and maintain a 4.0 GPA (or very close to it), and pursue various pathways of independent and private industry based research. I recently graduated from community college with my A.S. Chemistry and I am now at one of the highest rated universities in the U.S. for science (Stony Brook University).
Homeschooling played a big part in making me who I am today, and I would recommend it to anyone that has an interest in their children's success.
Hypnos Stratagem nah man. That’s nice but not necessary. I went to public school all my life. I got a bachelors in computer science and I’m currently a software developer making really good money.
I feel the opposite. The amazing memories I have spending my days in school with all of my friends. Joking around, flirting with girls, getting into trouble. Those were amazing, carefree years. I wouldn’t trade that. Ever. Life isn’t about just learning stuff and working. It’s about interactions, experiences, connections, etc. we are social creatures. I know that some people have social anxiety and aren’t as outgoing but that isn’t the norm. If homeschooling works for you that’s great. But you can’t deny the benefits of the social experiences you have and gain in school.
If you aren’t homeschooled you will still succeed. You don’t lose anything by not being homeschooled. On the contrary, I think you miss out on a lot if you are homeschooled.
@@uchihajoel3064 Yeah: drugs, gangs, premarital sex, sjw brainwashing, etc
@@uchihajoel3064 it's good that you enjoy school - I know plenty of people who did. But, addressing your statement that you miss out on a lot if homeschooled, I think that's a misunderstanding. A lot of things have to do with your parents, but if they're loving and caring, you don't miss out on a single thing.
@@uchihajoel3064 homeschoolers play sports, have friends, hang out with peers just the same as you did. I was homeschooled until college and I absolutely don’t lay awake in my bed at night and feel like I “missed out on social experiences”. I don’t agree with your sentiment in the slightest but you are entitled to your opinion.
@@wms72 Well, if your parents don't belong to the hells angels and you've got at least a decent noggin on your head, then all of that can be avoided. I honestly doubt homeschooled children experience the same quality of social life as those enrolled in a high school. Who do they get to walk home with everyday? Who do they get to spend 5 hours a day, 5 days a week with just talking, laughing, making jokes and gossiping about stuff? Where else would they learn how to interact with the opposite sex at such a fast rate? What about their extracurriculars? The parties? The social classes (which exist everywhere in society)? The community? Finding that one homeless guy named Desmond to buy you beer when your friend's parents went to Pennsylvania? WHERE WILL YOU EXPERIENCE THIS lol
I’m a public school teacher, but my kids are homeschooled. I also grew up doing both off and on, so I have quite a bit of experience with both, and I can confidently say that there’s no reason most people can’t teach their own children. What makes public school teachers unique is that we can teach 30 children at once. Teaching a large group takes training and experience, but most people can teach one on one very successfully.
Good Job on being an insider.
Thats awesome! Just out of curiosity, how do you homeschool your kids but teach in public school at the same time?
@@xxpadmoondaze1282 I teach public school, and my wife stays home with the kids. I’m on her account though, so it looks like my name is Shelly. 😁 Sorry about that!
Hey I have a question, when do you start homeschooling your kids? Nursery, Kindergarten or first grade?
@@huh7056 A nice aspect of homeschooling is that you don’t have to start all at once. You can gently ease your child into schooling as you see they’re ready. For little boys, this may be later than for little girls. In fact, they don’t even have to know that they are starting school. If you take the average five-year-old, and play a math game with them or sing a counting song, they will think they’re having fun!
When I was 13 (1963) I told my guidance counsellor that school was a stupid concept. I told him that mornings should be spent outside doing physical activities regardless of the weather, and the afternoons dedicated to math, science and engineering. He agreed with me and told me to take responsibility for my own education.
100% agree. Children and teenagers need nature, movement and creativity just as much as they need maths, reading and writing,
John, and that was in 1963! Things are many, many times worse now. Nature + science, math and engineering. That would sound perfect. You can add English writing to that. Then there’s no room for woke activism nonsense - something that has clearly made schools indoctrination centres.
And how did you end up?
@@katierose1893 I became a skilled tradesman and later became a contractor. I retired 10 years ago.
@@johntonge9818 I was 13 in 1992 and believed everything that was being fed to me. Went to school, got good grades, 2 degrees (1 in Engineering). Graduated with 40K in debt. Worked as an Engineer for 10 years and it took me 8 years to pay off the debt. Never bought a house, don't even own my own car. I did travel a lot and had a few adventures, not gonna lie. I stopped working to homeschool after seeing how the school system doesn't encourage critical thinking and the teachers just wanted their summers off. Some teachers were good (females were great for infants and toddlers) men were great for preschool and afterschool. Rough played with my son. Lego. Now, elementary teachers (all women) are stern and tired and have no curiosity in them. They just want the job as an easy out and to get their summers off. We're now on 1 salary (albeit a decent one) and are looking to live a simple life. Homeschooling. Hard to find a good community though. If this housing crisis ever ends we will buy a home finally thanks to a small but generous gift from the parents. Our son begged us to be homeschooled and he's brilliant so we're off to a good start. Wish I was a bit younger though.
I was homeschooled.
I'm 23 with kids a wife, house, small buisiness that did a half mill this year and I'm learning astrophysics in my spare time... I think homeschooling works alright
Shellina Musa did I offend your mellenialism with my success?
Congratulations Chris. What does the business do?
Shellina musa.....you are aware you're hmmm bragging? Time for reflection? My mother would call it talking when you should be listening lol
I went to public school I’m 23 have a house wife car and a good job without college working for a bank goes both ways mate
Chris, you sound like a spoiled brat, probably lying and definitely bragging. Most of the homeschooled kids I know grow up to be just like their parents, and usually that's not good.
It takes a great effort. We home schooled our three kids. My son (oldest) is now an attorney (Harvard grad), my daughter (second oldest) is a surgeon (Harvard grad), my youngest will be attending Harvard medical school in the fall to become a neurosurgeon. They work hard and gets results but are normal people, not robots.
The top schools (Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc.) have no problems with home schooled children. Our kids had school all year long (reduced load during summer), so they were comfortable with a heavy homework load. When they started college, it was business as usual, no big deal. I wouldn't have put my kids in public school on a dare.
You get what you put into it...
Wonderful. My family is just 2 years in on our journey. So far so good.
This year round method is how my family does it also. I highly recommend it.
Wow that is absolutely amazing
What program/curriculum did you use? I'm considering it but idk where to start.
Holy crap, what kind of curriculum did you use? What was your education level? I have an associate's degree. I like to think I'm intelligent enough, but I don't know if my kids will be neurosurgeons from my teaching
I was homeschooled from first to fourth grade, it gave me a strong foundation of learning, and it gave me a very high reading level when I did go to school in 5th grade. My mom wasn’t able to homeschool me any more. My math skills were not strong, but I easily made that up because I was taught how to learn and study. I was the 8th grade valedictorian. I’m currently a sophomore, and my average is 100.7. I wouldn’t have changed anything, I got the best of both worlds.
Your comment was the middle ground I was looking for and I thank you so much for providing your perspective ❤️
I wish I was homeschooled, I wasn't homeschooled and I still have lack of social skills
Same! Total lies that going to public school makes you social. If anything I find more and more kids are anti-social.
Stop saying I wish, and start saying I will. Otherwise your insecurities will never go away.
@@hsen.a I'm locked up mate
@@evelynmom2902 it made me feel anti social because it singled me out as a special needs student due to some family medical problems at the home. They were stressful beyond my comprehension and imagination as a child, and young adult. I didn’t realize how much until I reached 30 yo.
I went to public school in a small town and hated every second of it. I was bullied by my peers and teachers alike. I was by no means stupid, but I was so focused on trying to fit in and escape my tormentors that my grades slipped. I didn't care about learning, I wanted to survive socially. I was even held back a grade, which made the bullying even worse. As I got older, I realized that I was trying to fit in with small minded people. I've returned back to college and discovered I love learning, I currently have a 3.9 GPA, and have made the Dean's list several times. I'm currently 9 weeks pregnant and have decided I will use my bachelors degree to home school my child. I often wonder how much better I would have done academically if I wasn't so focused on being bullied and trying to "fit in".
@@mchambers8366 That is such nonsense. Homeschooling is growing faster than ever. In my family, the first 3 kids, (the only out of our home) are homeschooling. God bless you, ma'am. Never let randos tell you that you can't be your children's mother.
Two years later, I’m chiming in. I relate to everything you said! I’m so sorry you went through that. I also wonder who I would have been.
I homeschooled my children almost 30 years ago, having read boxes and boxes of articles on what was actually in the school curriculum. We had a large social network where kids did things as a group. My kids say they had the best childhood ever. We had a network of around 2000 homeschool children within a 2 hour drive, so every family had a few families they could regularly meet with. The incidents of abusive parents is something i never saw. The parents i saw, were from all walks of life, all did what they thought was best for their children.
Which city was this?
Which city is this? Considering homeschooling in the near future. Thanks!
@@katierose1893 Australia, we had a huge network of homeschooling families
That’s awesome! I’m looking into homeschooling for my eldest.😊
Thank you for sharing.
I've been home schooling for 15 years. My children have had no problems socializing so far.
I know many home schoolers and there are only a handful of families that fit the typical stereo type of "unsocialized ".
Heck, I think I know more awkward public school kids than awkward homeschool kids.
Just because a kid has a phone in one hand and a latte in the other, doesn't make them "normal" and "socialized"!!
Please remember folks...there were no public schools up until about 175 years ago!
How did society ever survive before then??!!🤔
Nooice
People were put to work and made to socialize with one another in order to survive.
175 years ago most children were slave workers on family farms or
at the local mills. They did not attend school and were born of parents
that had not attended school.
Only the wealthy educated their children so they could run the mills.
Public schooling came about as a way to help the poor illiterate try
and make progress away from such repressive lives.
Illiterate. That's how they survived, and until the age of 33.
Research British home children on youtube. About London's unwanted street urchins sent to Canada. Some grim stories there.
You can probably teach your own child everything in 2 days that a school trenches them in 5. Spend the spare time taking your kids out for social interaction and make them learn how to interact with the world.
multiple public school teachers have told me that...in fact their numbers were even *less* than your "2 days" estimate.
I pulled my son out of preschool last year and before that school year was done, he knew all the letters of the alphabet, 50 sight words, how to count to fifty, how to use scissors and a pencil properly, how to write his name. And this was done in an 1-2 hrs a day! He was at school for 6 hours a day and all they did was play. It’s like daycare! Needless to say, I’m gonna homeschool as long as possible.
that estimate is FAR too optimistic of the school... at least for me. Most of my classmates barely studied an hour in a whole week of school, I studied a bit more as I turned out to be one of the "gifted" kids - so practice for competitions instead of some lessons was pretty fun.
One day at home is more equal to 2 weeks in school
I am grateful for being homeschooled from Kindergarten to Year 8. It allowed me to deeply explore subjects I loved and had passion for, and gave me time to do the things I enjoyed. Now I am in school and I know people who have been doing school since Kindergarten and I have noticed they have absolutely no passions for many of the subjects we have at school, even electives. I feel like homeschool allows people to discover their strengths and not be ashamed of their weaknesses.
I wish I was homeschooled. I remember the stress and isolation very well. The fear of being judged because you weren’t walking next to someone every day. I don’t miss high school. To hell with the reunions. I would have been stress-free studying under my parents. Consider homeschooling, not for you, but for your kids.
hmm yes i remember those days
Those experiences help toughen you up. Imagine you're 18 and have no idea how to advocate for yourself or no ability to assert your needs in the face of opposition.
This comment actually just further highlights to me how naive former public schoolers are as to their privilege. If you were fully independent living by yourself by 21-22, able to get a job, find a partner, etc. then you were adequately prepared for life by the public school system whether you can admit it aloud or not. Your public school education opened doors the average homeschooled kid, living far outside mainstream American society, can only dream about.
@@SurrealisticSlumbers I have no issue with communicating with anyone and I do not have any fear of being judged in college. I am 18 years old lol, I am advocating right now in fact, and you are the opposition. I was homeschooled my entire life and I consider my homeschool years a privilege as well. It almost sounds like you are bitter saying those experiences toughen you up. Glad I did not have to deal with that.
@@salomongreen This must be your first JBP video if you still think you can go through life without facing experiences that make you toughen up.
When the first happens you'll wish it wasn't your first time.
Homeschool and join a co-op. Lots of other families and kids, outings, field trips and accountability that helps keep everyone motivated.
I'm an ex schoolteacher. Most subject matter can be taught in 20-25 minutes. There's a lot of wasted time between all that in a school day. No wonder kids get bored and act out. There are plenty of ways to learn social skills. Homeschooling is superior in many ways to public education, but not every parent may be capable of it.
Thanks for making it clear that not all parents are capable of this. Some people get hooked on that fantasy, and end up with damaged children.
I always thought the same. Always finished the work in about and hour with six more to burn and the only thing I could do is get in trouble at that point lol
Dr. Peterson suggests that the parents teach their children to articulate what they are being taught. I agree with him. It should be noted that this isn't done in public schools very well. The children in public school more often regurgitate rote information, not necessarily knowledge or understanding. As a second generation homeschooling family, we (my husband and I) can see that the previous generation wasn't pathological (not most of them anyways), rather they were ahead of the curve. My parents were perceiving the future and recognizing a social trend that they wanted to circumnavigate. I am deeply grateful that my parents didn't enter me into the indoctrination assembly line. Now my children are not just academically proficient, they are not just intellectually independent. The real reason I home school now is to produce moral discernment. What academic or intellectual achievement is of any worth without moral character?
B F ♥️
Yes yes yes yes you are 1000000x spot on. With out moral character , the amount of knowledge you have is completely meaningless.
Right you are!
Children are not taught critical thinking skills at all. Unfortunately it is really difficult to teach in a classroom where 1/3 of the students have a learning disorder or psychological problem. Such were my classrooms. Administrators think by putting all kids together in a class the misbehaved ones will learn to behave. They clearly don't know anything about child psychology! Really, the 1/3 of my class needed 1. Better parents, and 2. Proper non-abusive discipline. That goes a long way to fixing most of these so-called issues. A child who feels loved and has a stable home life wants to learn. Children are natural learners, IF.
Boom!
In France a few relatively well-off families have this compromise where the kids work in small groups under a the "home" teacher, it's like a mini private school. And the results this kids get are quite good they get top grades at the maturity exam and have on average a higher level in maths than most.
I'm not sure about baguettes since we're talking rich rids for the most part, but I'm sure they even embroid the flags just in case. That or the maid does it for them :)
That's actually a brilliant idea but they also get to learn how to socially interact with other kids, a problem that most homeschooled kids suffer from. Is there a term for this practice? I would like to look into it more.
Hello! I don’t remember the practice having a concrete term since it falls under home schooling. The article I read about it (though unfortunately I can’t remember the title or the journal it was from) mentioned that it involved kids from all age brackets which concords with official sources like www.parisbalades.com/nonsco/pas_ecole.htm stating how in France 30000 kids aged 6-16 don’t go to school. However most learn the junior high and high school level via the CNED (Centre national d’études à distance National Center for Education “from a distance” aka “from home”) while only 7000 are close to 100% home schooled. These are kids from families with any social status, not just the rich. A user from arnelae.forumactif.com/t3536-l-ecole-a-la-maison states he and his wife home schooled their kids from 1st to 12th grade, but their example is one of many since home-schooling hardly has a fixed program. In France, the difficulty level of high school education plummeted since the 70’ and many college-educated parents are unsatisfied - I think we can deduce that those who choose home schooling provide lessons that go beyond what the regular official program entails. In Quebec www.lesoleil.com/actualite/education/lecole-a-la-maison-ou-le-bonheur-en-famille-bd4ee21be6b706695fba03a06caa3d2d mentions a study that shows some home-schooled kids have a level in maths “half a year ahead” (from what’s in Canadian schools) and a level in French three years ahead. The same talks about parents needing to be proactive in order to get the kids to socialize more outside of home and/or their study group.
On the subject of socialization you mentioned: www.frenchentree.com/living-in-france/education/homeschooling-in-france/ tells that the home-schooling families are a small but very vocal minority, and sites like www.lesenfantsdabord.org/ which is available in three languages show that the families exchange a lot and organize meetings. The families are well-aware that the kids need other kids to interact with, they simple prefer to pick and choose which kids their will interact with and under which circumstances. l-ecole-a-la-maison.com/ argues that the public school courtyard is a “hazardous place”. If the families are in control, they can more easily save their child from interaction with wild, violent kids. Sports clubs and family associations do exist. The article www.20minutes.fr/societe/1862319-20160609-instruction-domicile-voulais-enfants-epanouissent-davantage-ecole parents state that their kids meet with both home-schooled and non home-schooled kids, though very we’re talking kids from families the parents are friends with. Those parents also praise the fact that their various adult friends can talk to the kids about their jobs and overall life experience.
Conclusion: while I can’t supply you the concrete article I remember reading, the data confirms its contents, even though in reality the home schooling system is a lot more flexible than what I remembered it was, and kids who learn in groups are either siblings or kids from families which know each other rather well. Those same kids do socialize outside of the home-schooling group, but it’s the parents’ personal responsibility to organize the meetings and/or signing their child up for a sports club or a music school for example. A responsibility parents gladly take on since they either don’t trust public schools to educate their children well and/or have children who were bullied and/or had disabilities. Have a good day! Ps: sorry for the amount of French language only links
I honestly don't think it is. The merit of (some) kids for getting a higher level in languages and maths rests on the shoulders of these kids, their teachers and their parents. It's not a geographical thing, albeit France being a rich developped country certainly helps. Also, it's the first time I heard of Varg Vikernes and while I feel sorry for the victim and all the people involved his action was his own responsibility. I hardly see the link between home schooling and wanting to murder someone for X reasons, could you please elaborate?
I see your point now. We can agree on that.
We started homeschooling our kids about 35 years ago. I can't imagine leaving kids in a public school today. Although there were not the resources then as there are now, we taught curriculum that was developed by professional educators even then. My wife has an elementary education degree and I have a PhD in chemistry, so we were well equipped to handle this task. Our daughter has a Master's degree in special education, and our son is a PhD biochemist. I think they've done well.
I'm so glad I was home schooled. A wise decision by my parents
My wife and I will raise respectful and strong children with conviction. The best advice my dad ever gave me was: "No one can hurt your feelings without your permission."
I will engrain that ethos into my children.
That's a wonderful philosophy and imo and experience often true and indeed I was taught that too but may I suggest to you with sincerity that some can affect you
AMONGST OTHERS they are parent to child in the early stages and in the very different category ( unfortunately but not often they fall into both : )the very charismatic and or manipulative ( see Jordan's videos naivety and or betrayal ) as some one who was severely betrayed in no small way but we also unknowingly naive and trusting ( I don't mean my husband had an affair for a year with the same women he eventually lived with. that happened too me and while it wasn't nice I learnt and moved on.. there are much worse betrayals and when Jordan references betrayal I'm sure he knows the depths it can go too and the devastation it causes )
I worked, am a parent , had a degree and home I wasn't pathetic or outwardly stupid ( or didn't appear to be to myself or others I was told I w kind and " too nice " but never knowingly put myself or others in harms way
Instead may I suggest you teach your children that as humans we are biologically wired to socialise and certain actions can produce unconscious physiological reactions ( for more see trauma bonding) and while " doing unto others ..." is a good idea it should be earnt and teach your children boundaries by allowing age appropriate ones and keep your own. Above all teach them self respect and don't be reactive to others and keep the channels of communication open and love them so much they can't help but love themselves..Teach them while the world is full of good some people are not at all, the adage trust your gut and yourself is very true I've found and then and only then tell them they are in charge of their actions and that if someone consistently makes them want to react in a way they know isn't right for any reason that they should do every thing in their power to not allow them into their life but that one shouldn't react to others shot behaviour and never never never be so arrogant naive and or complainant as to think " this won't happen to me or mine "'
Sounds like what I taught my son, one of the best tools for growing up is when you truly understand that only you get to assign value to other people's opinions.
Yes. I heard something similar the other day: "Bullets and blades can hurt me. But not other people's words."
Andy Blakely will you also teach them about race relations and the truth about race?
@Emmanuel Goldstein Whose truth?
I homeschooled my kids in the 80s. I had a few small businesses. Antique mall, clock repair shop, Antique restoration and a restaurant. It was awesomeness! I could just have my kids hang with me and learn from me. Great memories and very talented creative adults today.
Thx for sharing
Keep in mind there’s nothing weird about homeschooling - there was a time when that’s how all kids learned. Formal institutions are relatively new in western culture. As well, all kids that perform well at school will likely have some form of home schooling. Homework, particularly with the parents support is really homeschooling.
Jordan Peterson is s great example. He would come home from school and there at home his dad would spend 2 hours teaching him to read.
I was in public school until 10th grade until I transitioned myself to independent study. My whole family told me not to do it only because I would lose "socializing time". I was in school in public school for around 7 hours a day 5 days a week, and I probably only spoke for like 30 mins that whole day. I didn't have friends, so I didn't have anyone to talk to the whole day in school. In independent study, I would go for 2-3 hours once a week, and I spoke the whole time I was there to my teachers and other students. My voice was so weak from underuse the first year I was at independent study, that everytime I started talking, my voice would crack. I had shitty grades in public school because I was severely depressed, and in independent study, I graduated early as valedictorian of my school. We had the same curriculum at my home school as we did in public school. My depression went away, my voice became stronger, I did a shit ton of volunteer work during this time because I had so much more free time, I started college early and made some friends. Going to home school was the best decision I made for my life as a teen.
I’m 14 years old and have been in public school for the past 8 years of my life… first 4 years where great then it started going downhill. This year me & my parents decided it’s time to try homeschooling. It was the right decision, so much more free time and no stress. I love homeschooling!
you'll go far in life young man, you won'tbe yet another rote educated dumb-dumb, but have the intellectual curiosity that schools knock out of kids. I was essentially halfway between home-schooled and self-educated. My parents are academics (real academics not Leftist useful idiots). One of the best lessons they taught me was to go and find my own answers. I spent days indide the public library. When I got to university engineering- I knew the first year maths as it was about equal to my father's year 11 super simple textbooks. I loved history, I read all the great Greco-Roman philosophers.
Homeschooled here. Currently working a good job, about to graduate college with zero debt, (I paid for it all myself) I have a great relationship with my parents and siblings, I have an amazing girlfriend, and have avoided much of the terrible decisions my peers seem to make. My brother, also homeschooled, graduated from college at 20, got married, and is currently making 100k+.
If stereotypes are true, the small things you miss out on is worth it to be close to family, learn to think foryourself and not just what the majority thinks, and have a real work ethic.
Not saying you can't if you're public schooled. It just appears to me that those in my homeschool bubble are generally happier, content, and more successful than most of my friends from public school.
Jesse Bruner what do u do for a living if u don’t mind
I'm in basicly the same boat as you. College, job, wife and kid, no debt and I can promise that I would have none of that and instead be in all sorts of trouble if I had gone to public school.
So I will be poor making crumbs for the rest of my life, never once had a girl seriously like me was bullied and treated like shit for most of my schooling. Got advice on not being a worthless piece of shit?
i want my future kids to be homeschooled
@@jimsimpson2820 Stop calling yourself a that for a start.
I was homeschooled in South Africa and later went to school at one of the best schools in the country(albeit not an expensive one) and I enjoyed it.
But, believe me school is much more of a prison than my parents could ever be.
Bishops?
@@OlliePageI'm another homeschooled SA'r wondering what school this person is talking about. Or if I might know this @MidNightStudios
As a homeschool mom of nearly 20 years who was homeschooled herself, I found it to be a VERY easy decision to make. Was it always easy to do? No. Would I do it over again? In a heartbeat.
A coworker homeschooled their kids and mixed it with a few years of private school. Their oldest son tested mensa and was sent to university early. They put a lot of work into their kids, however. It's not so easy.
Dawn B - There are superb materials available, but yes, it’s a big commitment. You kinda have to LIKE your kids!
I was homeschooled from the age of 13. Best decision I’ve ever made
Was homeschooled all through school and looking back it was one of the best things to ever happen to me in terms of education
I loved learning once I was homescooled. My mom would give me credits for gardening, and my hobby/projects. I learned alot more than anyone I know who went to public school.
I didn't feel like I learned anything in highschool and I felt it was a great waste of time (and money, education usually being the #1 state expense, and I had fun thinking of how incredibly misappropriated these funds were). I already read a lot and was interested in history, and science was my favorite subject. I learned more about these subjects on my own than I did in school (minus math, I admit I needed help there, but now I study that by myself). I think the impression is that most parents who homeschool their children are overly-protective and that the children grow up to lack social skills, but in reality, that's a phenomenon that's already happening with the widespread abuse of personal devices and social media. People can't hold eye contact anymore; I've noticed that, it makes them uneasy now. I think if done right, homeschooling is a superior method of raising a child. Caution must be taken not to coddle them and make sure they get time to develop on their own (Outside with friends) into a fully functioning adult. That being said, a little interaction between parent and child is a good thing, now I feel a lot of people have kids and don't even know what to do with them. I can understand that homeschooling is not possible for everyone, nor is it always the best option, but I don't think it's such a bad thing as people make it out to be.
"I think the impression is that most parents who homeschool their children are overly-protective and that the children grow up to lack social skills, but in reality, that's a phenomenon that's already happening with the widespread abuse of personal devices and social media. People can't hold eye contact anymore; I've noticed that"
School puts you in an oppressive environment where you have to do everything you're told without question. From this perspective, it's basically slavery minus the benefit to the teacher. Of course this doesn't produce normally functioning people. It produces children.
i'd rather take the risk of homeschooling my kids than the risk of sending them to a public school.
No risk. I barely did anything and my son is about to graduate from college with excellent grades.
@@rodhodges625 that's awesome and encouraging, thank you
@@rodhodges625 is he happy
@@graceharney7352 i think we understand that the home environment is more importan than what type of school he goes to, so be sure give him a home he can trust and seek help when he is in hard times, a home he can grow up to help, make better and hopefully create one on his own like it or better:) i know US schools do sometiems require for the student to leave their home, in that case make it so that he is proud and happy to come back. He or she, who ever this comment can help
@@daniel1RM i agree, i went to public school, and while i turned out okay and had good grades, the family thing is something i stopped having after 19. i would never let my kids feel they can't come to me for help or that i'll turn them away when they need me most.
I am home schooled. My whole life, and my Mom taught me how to teach myself, and then gave us access to most sources so we could come to our own conclusions. I loved and love it. I also found my calling far faster than most public schoolers because I could chase my interests. It mostly depends on the child.
meh kids did fine through most of human existence with homeschooling , so I trust it more than the educational system
Define "fine".
+Francesco Marzotto
School's original purpose was to teach people how to read, write and basic math. Curiously, it's the only thing it's good at. What else do you learn? Random scientific and historical trivia that no one really remembers?
Did you learn about fallacies and cognitive biases? Or how your government works? What about the contents of your country's constitution? Don't you think these are more important than knowing how to solve quadratic equations?
@@MiauFrito I learned those things in public school. I guess your school was just garage. And yes, learning quadratic equations is very important to building the mathematical background for anyone interested in STEM careers. Basic algebra is a powerful tool for anyone, it provides a deeper understanding of system complexity and aids in problem solving.
Literacy increased with the creation of schools. The reason home schooling and apprenticeships disappeared in the late 1700 was because a complex society couldn’t be built without standardization and a well-rounded educated population. Nowadays, virtually everyone can read. Back then , around 60% in most areas.
@@MiauFrito i learned about fallacies biases and the governemt?
I love hearing and learning about how others are doing with their homeschooling journey. I find it challenging and incredibly rewarding. I really like listening to dr. Peterson when he talks about how education is failing us. It helps me identify what to focus on as I homeschool my children 👶🏽
Homeschooling is great! Let your child learn at his/her own pace. Give your child the help and attention they deserve instead of having to slow down for the rest of the students
If a child never develops a mental "peer-group-pressure-compliance-mechanism" it will never rely on it as an adult.
WHEN, in real life, will anyone ever be in a situation, where everyone they have to deal with is their own age .. ?
Home educated people are far more socially adjusted and can deal with people of all ages, as easily as they deal with their peers.
It seems obvious that teaching a child HOW TO LEARN and HOW TO THINK and even teaching them TO think about who they are, what they are doing and what is going on around them, ( even if you never teaching them WHAT to think) is far better than sending them to school where THEY WILL BE TAUGHT WHAT TO THINK and to NOT THINK ON THEIR OWN.
Instances of homeschooling actually being worse than the grotesquely unnatural "school" experiences are few and far between ( btw - children are NOT FISH). Using a few bad examples compared to the thousands of successfully home-educated children, is weak and a Saul Alinsky tactic.
That somehow a college education automatically gives are person the morality - character and personal integrity is an idea that Mortimer Adler ( "How to Read a Book" ) claimed to already be dead in 1947 ... ! Apparently, the morality and values of society have so degraded, so devolved and the ability so sort the truth from the bullshit is so rare, that few people can even recognize good character when they see it ! --- "They hide it (that knowledge) in books" ("Lake Placid").
So the character one USED TO GET from the work required to graduate is no longer available from a college, because all those great minds that could make that process work - have all long since died and for the most part, the "Art of Education"
died with them.
Stop for a moment that think about what that has left us with ...Mmmm..?
Since teaching is done by teachers and learning is done by someone who makes objective observations and connects the dots, then essentially, all true education is self-education.
The result of modern day "teaching" is programming or brainwashing.
All well-intentioned parents, (regardless of how they are perceived by professional teachers) who are willing to teach their children HOW to think for themselves, how to LEARN on their own, and how to love and accept themselves for who they are, will put their children light years ahead vast majority of sophomoric derelicts that institutionalized education has produced for the last 70 years.
Fantastic comment!
Marquita Martin - Why thank you. I am glad to see that I am not the only one who "gets it".
You said it all. This is exactly why my kids will never see the inside of a public school (or daycare for that matter).
Fantastic response. Everything I wanted to say. Thank you!
12cunow . All the homeschooled kids I know are fully capable of speaking and interacting with all age groups on a competent level.
That is not true of children schooled in 1 age group. They barely can speak to an adult.
You guys all had good experiences it seems? My parents neglected my education, neglected my well being, gave me no schedule, messed the timings of my qualifications all over the place and didn't listen to me when I said I needed the structure and teaching from an actual school. Now I'm a 20 year old retaking final exams. I am extremely depressed and I'm just hanging on to the hope that that will change once I move out. I've given up on my dream degree/job and I'm just settling for something that will allow me to get out the house and still have some future prospects.
Being homeschooled was like he'll for me. I wouldn't do it again if you paid me everything, because I don't know that I could get through it a second time. I don't know how in the world you guys had good experiences with it. I agree in theory it can be great, and I don't really trust the public schools either. But if parents don't trust the public schools, then save more and send your kid to a private school you can trust. Don't risk their entire future by giving them no formal education. Even if you think they are doing well, they won't have the same opportunities.
OR at least listen to your child if they ask you to let them go to school.
Damn, thanks for keeping it real dawg. Thats a different side than what I’ve read in here and it costed you in the end. But yo honestly, yeah maybe you didn’t get the optimal conventional homeschooling, but you are also only 20. Yo that is so young its not even funny. Even people that had traditional elite education at big state schools run into this.
People put way too much stock aiming for what their dream career is, overthinking the whole thing. Your happiness and fulfillment in life will come from actually relaxing and enjoying your life, not from the dream job.
Explore jobs/industries that are within the realm of your capabilities, interests, something that you like and can “tolerate”. REDDIT search, youtube search what others have done to get into that field, and then you have your goals. A lot of the time, a degree is not even necessary, sometimes you just need 6 months of entry level position and that holds the same if not more weight than a degree candidate with zero experience.
Everyone is different yo. Maybe you need to sit down, lock in and really highlight what you want out if this degree and what is required of you and whether you are willing to entertain the effort required. Its hard to be an achiever at school when the desired end result is not detailed or outlined enough. Nobody loves work. Some people like COMING to work (aka awesome company culture, coworkers) but give anyone a ticket to quit and retire right now and they would. And yeah maybe when u move out things will improve all around but maybe there’s somethings you can do now at a smaller scale for yourself? Re-organize bedroom, buy a new chair, browse some new study resources online, spend time outside of your normal comfy spaces. Goto a different cafe not to study-make it about you…only researching stuff about your career paths, salaries, where you wanna live if you move, use tiktok for productive purposes while you’re there, see what people in your field are like (day in the lives)
Yep i had very similar experience currently on a burner phone watching this lol
I'm so sorry that's awful! I have personally known people who were homeschooled who had awful parents who did an awful job homeschooling them, but I have also known people who had great parents who were committed to giving them the best education possible while homeschooling them. It really boils down to the parents.
This is the issue. Not everyone who home schools does it well. Some do it for the wrong reasons and some are not emotionally present enough to do it. I personally would really struggle to home school my kids as I work and I'm in therapy for my own well being as well as having a chronic illness but I'm self aware and know it would not work. Being a good parent means putting your children's needs first. I'm sorry this was your experience. I think a lot of people home school to control who their kids interact with. Again not a good enough reason in my opinion
We do year round but in summer we tend to be a bit less structured. For instance we could be playing trivia games in the pool instead of learning new things or working on assignments 1/2 the week. I guess the most unstructured thing about the way I homeschool my kids is that we don't move on until they master something. By mastery I mean they need to have 100% accuracy in math or fluency in xyz skills. So sometimes it takes a while to get past certain things. My son is slow at picking up math but is very inquisitive in other areas but my eldest daughter is extremely mathematical so she learns math concepts in no time which is why she is able to do calculus in what would be 9th grade but I don't do grades that way. My youngest daughter is very interested in history, probably because I don't do it like public school.
I was homeschooled and I studied at a homeschool co-op once a week so I know a lot of homeschooled individuals. From my experience kids benefit from the one-on-one style of teaching that comes with homeschooling, but as with all things, the benefit is limited to the effort put in by the parents. Parents are also far more involved in formulating the worldview of their kids, which is important in a world that competes to indoctrinate kids towards a number of different ideals.
A drawback to consider with homeschooling is that raising socially well adjusted kids is slightly harder, and sports opportunities are a lot more limited. So parents need to be intentional about exposing their kids to unfamiliar experiences with a wide variety of people.
That's a big drawback,I'm struggling to see a way around it.
I am Spanish but have lived in the US for 13 years. I've been to several cities in the US, but I mostly lived in suburban areas of Texas and Louisiana. Homeschooling a child there would be difficult because you don't see anybody out on the street and all the kids play inside. If you come to any of the streets of Andalucía, you will see kids playing on the streets and people chatting and you will certainly make friends here easily. In most places I've seen in the US, you get in a car and you drive to work or Wal-Mart or wherever, there's not many people on the street (minus the bigger cities). I think it is harder for an American child to make friends then it is for a Spanish one, outside the context of school.
Digs 1 Keep in mind the drawbacks that I mention are only obstacles for some however. I was pretty well socialized and nobody could ever tell that I was homeschooled from interacting with me. I also had the benefit of being involved in martial arts and snowboarding throughout my childhood. A lot of my homeschooled friends were able to play in soccer and hockey leagues despite being home schooled.
Having been homeschooled, I can say that the socialization argument against homeschooling is a myth. There is no drawback, except money and time of the parents.
Irving Ceron Public school today is a joke. The only productive thing it does is develop a child's social skills (this is literally one of the main goals of primary school). Public education is often the #1 expense of the state, and that is a joke. They buy overpriced textbooks that aren't going to be used even once. They spend an exorbitant amount of money on sports. Schools will find every excuse to waste money, and it only serves to add distractions to the learning environment. Time immemorial has shown that to provide effective schooling, all that is needed is a classroom, pen and paper, and a desk. Why is it that so many countries outperform us in testing? And the sad thing is that all of these things are being replaced by the computer, but it's a resource that's not being taken advantage of. Resources like Khan Academy, Study Island, self discipline and the local library are enough to foster a positive learning environment. I never said people should go to public school to make friends, I only said that in my honest opinion it is easier to make friends outside of the context of school in some cultures than it is in others. A home-schooling regimine will suffice for the later years, but I believe primary school is still beneficial. Sports are also an excellent way to socialize a child, but that should be done outside of the school system. Modern public education is, essentially, the babysitting of young adults.
I'm a holistic practioner and i see lots of kids in my office and with out a doubt home school kids are consistently more confident, more social and way less stressed than public or private school kids. I'm home schooling my kid when time comes and encourage others to do the same .
The thing I am most grateful for in my life is my parent's decision to never let me go to public school. I was homeschooled all the way up into college.
Film Fanatic : what college did u go to
@@himynameisjohnwumsh7631 Why does the college one goes to matter?
@@salomongreen : I don’t remember why I asked Film Fanatic that question but the college you go to does matter depending on what degree you are seeking. Not all colleges are equal.
@@himynameisjohnwumsh7631 I agree.
Same here, first time in a public classroom was my first day of college. Now I work in a genetics lab. I got my socialization as a teenager through team sports outside the home, and today I’m a confident, well-adjusted adult with strong family ties and a flourishing romantic relationship. Mornings spent in the garden or feeding the farm animals as a ten-year-old are some on my favourite memories…far more valuable to me and my development than a morning spent in a classroom.
I have to submit that whilst there may be maladjusted home-educated children, there are plenty of the same in state schools. I'm of the opinion that social adjustment is highly individual and dependent on parental temperament and involvement and child's personality and probably, likely, completely unrelated to schooling situation.
In first grade at public school, my daughter was bored and bullied. She makes friends slowly and was the new kid in class. Homeschooling her was a blessing as it allowed us to work at her own pace and be successful as long as she was focused. She still has anxiety and some issues but we can overcome.
One thing people don't realize about homeschooling is that the parents, most of the time, do not teach or want to. There are so so so many learning styles and ways of teaching! I had teachers online for homeschooling who were highly qualified (more than some Ed Degree) in their subject from all over the world...it was incredible. I loved school and I loved learning.
I think it can be a great thing but we simply need more oversight and regulation on it. There are kids stuck in abusive households bc very few states require a background check or CPS visit to clear the parents. It’s also been found that around 90% of parents who homeschool chose to do so in order to prevent their kids from hearing things that go against their religion.
@@colinscherer3316 Those are some fair arguments. Depends on the country, some may have better regulations
@@colinscherer3316 not 90% lol this is where you know this person is unreliable without sources uses statistics like this. Anyway the problem is that local communities don't take a child's centred approach. The most likely victims of abusive parents who would either neglect or actively abuse their children are those with disabilities or of extra educational needs. This is backed up by the government sources that i had come across in my child safeguarding course and know that it is the responsibility of the local agencies to ensure that children are talked to directly without the parents present when there is concern but some cases where abuse was ignored or not even looked into was when they only contacted the parents. Thay poor girl with locked in syndrome in America i don't remember the state, that was neglected so badly i can't imagine how looking she was ignored by evry authority. In the uk kids do get visits from health visitors or local educational departments it is a requirement when we register to home educate and the child does get contact every year to ensure they are oksy to continue to be home educated. That is the difference i would say.
@@colinscherer3316 respectfully, that statistic is BS. If you were involved in the homeschool community today you would know that probably well over 50% of them are secular homeschoolers.
I had my son in pre-school (YMCA), kindergarten (public) and up to Grade 2 (Montessori). At the end of Grade 2 he was completely demoralized and had given up on school. I started home schooling at that point and it took an entire year before he would even look at a worksheet again. Now we are on year 3 of home school and he has a math tutor 3x a week to ensure he stays ahead of provincial standards. I am nervous about sending him back to school in the current poisonous culture that is the Toronto District School Board and private schools are not much better.
Good for you, that is no easy task. You obviously love your child very very much. What kind of solutions do you have to let your kid get out and socialize with other kids?
My ex grew up in Toronto. you are quite right to be weary of the TDSB. She is a fully indoctrinated femi-nazi. I have the task of raising our daughter half time and I have to reeducate her from not only the school knowledge but also this man hating BS her mother fills her with.
Cubs, swimming lessons, tons of playdates every week. I made it a point to keep in touch with all his school friends before I took him out of formal education. He's an outgoing kid anyway, so he makes friends easily.
Canadian schools of all ages are pure poison. I'm 24, never graduated and never went to college or university. Believe me. You're better off taking care of your kid's education and mental health yourself. TRUST ME..........
Don't send him back. Keep him at home where he will learn and thrive. He can find socialization in extra curricular groups like sports drama other homeschooling families.
Given the new curriculum's emphasis on social justice over basics, we are not sending him next year. He has plenty of friends in the neighbourhood so social activity is not an issue. Thanks for your encouragement.
Homeschool, don’t lone-school
nifty phrase. Did you come up with it, or was it from some other?
I basically quit school and came home in 8th grade for multiple reasons-- mainly being too busy for school. (The other was the freedom to visit multiple 90+ yr old great grandmothers while they were still around.) I studied Japanese at home with correspondence or telephone lessons, I had a private art teacher, I had Shinkendo swordsmanship lessons for exercise, violin lessons I'd continued ages 8-18, and I started my own studio teaching young kids at 14. At that time I also joined the local (adult) symphony and was the youngest player. I was also one of the youngest music teachers in our county. At 18, I branched out and started teaching beginner Japanese language. Not only was public school a waste of time for me, and many of the kids were the opposite of friend material, but... Simply put, I had no time for their version of "learning".
I'm now homeschooling my 3 going on 4 kids. ❤️
Wow! I am homeschooling an 8 year old boy. May I ask where you are located? I am in Quebec, Canada and I'm looking for a place Canada or the US where there is a homeschool community. You can play the violin? You know Japanese? You're ahead of 90% just with that alone. And I bring my son to visit his grandparents often which is the only thing keeping us here. Seniors are so important!
Nice job abusing your kids.
Homeschool is not for all parents. Sorry to say but not all parents are knowledgeable even after reading a teaching books. School is not for everyone but work for general population. I have friend who attend university, he does not need to learn so he only attend exam days and skip all lectures. That is fine too. But not everyone can be like him.
Uneducated/not smart parents will make the same version of themselves if they copy their education onto their children through homeschool.
Homeschooled my 11 children, and they are doing well.
You raised an entire football team, well done.
@@jerryw6699 That's not a good thing.
@@synchronium24 Well, it would be if you liked football.
@@synchronium24 - It depends on the quality of his children. Humans are not fungible, and the world can always use a few more decent people in it.
@@cerebraldreams4738 "It depends on the quality of his children."
I agree with that. I'd also submit that the chances are extremely high that the quality of children will diminish when you're raising 11 of them. And that's without adding in an element of homeschooling. Which can be great, but generally speaking (and I admit this part is speculative) very large families where the parents homeschool their children tend to come with shall we say certain forms of ideological persuasion.
Yes. School is about indoctrination....has been for awhile.
Just completed 13 years of homeschool and my daughter is off to an ivy league school. The point is can you create a better education than a public school?
Homeschooling was a full time job for my wife and a half time job for myself. If a parent homeschools, it means you are committing to going back to school yourself. Think about that before you trash the "system."
We homeschool our kids, its definitely not something to be taken lightly. But i Definitely agree, if your going to send your kids to public school, you need to be present and aware of what they are learning and working on.
I was essentially homeschooled as well as having a state school education. But I could easily have done without the state school education. Both of my parents have been in academia or are academics to this day and I only ended up having to go home from school at night and ask them to clarify what the hell I'd just been taught in school because the teaching quality was so poor. I only passed my high school grades because my father was willing to untangle the knots and teach me things like algebra properly.
It is difficult to learn from school, because they lecture without context, and then you leave class not understanding what the fuck was being taught. And the lack of meaning makes students discouraged to learn the material at home. You need a passionate mentor who cares.
My four of my siblings and I were all homeschooled by my father. All of us scored much higher than the average on the SAT, all earned four year degrees (plus a mba in my case) from good schools and are living successful lives.
I was homeschooled and my mother has long said of the public education system “even rats know when to leave a sinking ship.”
That's actually pretty wise
Homeschooling is a blessing that I am forever grateful for. I was homeschooled until college and was appalled at the brainwashing I got from teachers, other students, etc. Cant undervalue the critical thinking that you learn from independent study.
@@EpsteinDidntKillHimself. precisely!
“even rats know when to leave a sinking ship.”
Most humans: So what you're saying is we should keep going to public education.
Me: Who wished I could've been homeschooled. 🤦♂️
So you have a problem with those of us who attended public school?
We're inferior?
Fuck You!
My mother is a college professor. She decided to take the time to homeschool me and my 3 sisters. 3rd grade to 9th grade. Had friends that were also homeschooled. I went to high school at a public school and spent 3 years not learning a damned thing.
My youngest son spent the first 6 years (K-5) being homeschooled. In those years, he was not only taught well (by his mother, primarily) but he also “learned”, how to learn. He became an avid reader and a problem solver. Consequently, he went though grades 6-12 in regular public school, making straight A’s and was put on the principal’s trophy and received several scholarships and awards. He went on to college and was hired by Apple before he even graduated. He was in sports, baseball, volleyball etc, varsity basketball, was on several clubs (chess being his favourite) and on several committees during his High School career. He is a well rounded, intelligent and social person. The only thing he missed from the early years of “normal” school were all the foolishness and poor education system’s that have destroyed our young people’s minds.
Dr. Peterson needs to do a little more research on home-school. Studies show that overall, home school children do far better, even under "untrained" mothers, than average state school children. All six of our kids were home-schooled; all did exceptionally well in college and their subsequent careers. Furthermore, our experience is not unique; every home-schooling family we know (and that numbers literally, in the hundreds) have had a similar results. In fact, the "failures" are almost negligible, especially if state-school graduates are used as a comparison. The fear of the Oedipal Mother devouring her children is infinitely less dangerous than the Leviathan State which uses the Public Schools as indoctrination centers. The research is there sir, and has been available now in the States for three decades; there really is no excuse for not knowing what an effective alternative there is to State education.
Right on! As a former home-schooling mom I can say I have never met a "failed" home-schooled kid, but sure have met a lot of public school educated failures.
The Real Killer B Did you not listen? He was speaking favorably about homeschooling. all he said was that important decisions like this should be carefully evaluated and planned out. He's telling people to be smart and honest in their approach.
I heard him say he increasingly is in favor of homeschooling. But one must be careful and not make the situation worse by being ill prepared. There are a lot of associations to help parents now. Listen to Dr. Peterson's videos on listening. I don't say that to be demeaning, but it helped me listen better.
*@The Real Killer B* also look at the rate of pedophiles in Catholic Churches vs public schools. Or look up the rate of violence in public schools vs homeschooling (or virtually any other institution). And then there’s the well-refined full spectrum cradle-to-grave indoctrination: it’s ideological subversion in action.
Public school is a dangerous place to put a young impressionable person. In terms of pedophilia, violence, and irrational anti human mental programming. It’s also an oppressive approach designed (look into the Prussian origins) to make dumb obedient soldiers for the state. If you think about it this way, it’s clear the public schools are actually doing a great job already. If you want smart well-adjusted kids I would stay clear of public schools.
Hilarious, parents are responsible for vast portion of abuses against children, so your logic is flawed BobWidlefish. I bet many of these parents that chose to homeschool are republican and indoctrinate their children into religion and favour creationist science over actual science. No, home-schooling is far more dangerous because it lets parents isolate their worldview and force theirs (and their political views) on their children, in public school they have the chance to figure things out for themselves and learn much more than what parents can offer. "Parents know best" is bullshit.
I was homeschooled my whole life. But my mom hardly enforced learning and could usually be found at her computer playing games or on social media, or else on the phone while smoking. I learned very little until I decided to take my education into my own hands at 20 years old during the pandemic. Ever since I've made learning my top priority outside of work. I know my mom meant well, but the trauma of long-term isolation, loneliness, fomo, and inadequacy still looms like a dark cloud. I am now much smarter than most of my coworkers, but despite this I still feel stupid, and all I do aside from work is study despite not being in college.
Went through a very similar situation... what matters is that you noticed the problems and are making efforts to change the situation... you will do great just need to believe in yourself and keep pushing yourself to learn more.
@Jesus Christ Not really. I insisted on going to a real school time and time again but she insisted that she could do a better job at teaching, and that I would be mercilessly bullied and brainwashed in the public school system. Despite this she rarely enforced learning and couldn't stick to a routine or method. I had no guidance. When I first entered the workplace as an adult I was the stupidest and most incompetent person in any given room and socializing gave me frequent panic attacks. I had to fight like hell to raise myself where my mother never had.
God bless you. Never give up. Keep striving. That's what life is about anyway---to fail, to get up and learn and take adventures, to love, to be kind and compassionate. So just keep loving with that openness and positivity. And learn to laugh at all of it. Humor helps a lot. ❤️ You are inspiration to all who are in your situation.
I just want to say that you are magnificent and brilliant as you are. You are enough and there’s only one you! Don’t forget that! Can I just say and make this very clear that just because you didn’t go to college, does not make you any more less than someone who has or does go to college. I’ve met so many stupid and ignorant people who are so darn book smart that they didn’t have shit for brains when it came to basic common sense, common knowledge and common courtesy. More than half those people who in close friends with, ended up studying for years on end. They studied so so hard in college only to end up working as something completely different to what they were studying after all those years - as this could be for many reasons. So regardless of a person who could have bachelor degrees and all the awards in college, doesn’t mean that they’re better than those who didn’t attend college. A good heart and moral compass matters far more memorable and respected.
You do realize that the ability to solve your own problems, think for yourself and pull yourself up by the bootstraps despite loneliness is a skill most people never learn? You sound like you turned out just fine to me ☺️
I was public schooled most of my life and believed the myth that homeschool kids are “weird” until I became friends with some when I was in university and found them to be intelligent, empathetic and down to earth. Looking back, I do wish I was homeschooled - for at least part of my education if not most. I was bullied in public school for being a new immigrant and there were a few years from grade 3-5 where it affected my education and I didn’t learn much bc of the bullying. Finally learned to stand up for myself a bit in 6th grade but dang, what a waste of 2 years where I could’ve been having fun and learning 🤦🏻♀️
Exactly the same experience except the immigrant part. School wasted years of my life.
My personal experience-based summary of the proposition of homeschooling:
Pros:
-Allows opportunity for:
--More effective learning
--Avoidance of state-based indoctrination
--Better transmission of chosen culture and values
--*More rounded education*
Cons:
-Risks:
--*Lack of development of social-interaction skills*
--Small-mindedness and/or parental indoctrination
--Less academic rigor
--*Diminished personal capability due to lack of independence and/or prolonged infantilism*
Critical Success Factors:
-Intelligence of parents
-*Emotional intelligence of parents*
-*Temperamental compatibility of family members*
-Availability of quality integrateable community
The Critical Success Factors are especially important - please consider them carefully if you are thinking of undertaking homeschooling.
AntisepticHandwash very good concise assessment!
Data? Like with your own post, I make no claim that my assertions are supported by data. It is resultant from, as I indicated, personal experience: Specifically, I have seen that entire list of concepts actualized in varying configurations, in many people/situations, over years.
Further, you will note that I've presented the benefits and drawbacks of homeschooling as opportunities and risks - as opposed to guaranteed actualities.
The rest of your post is just an apologia for the 'Critical Success Factors' I listed - presented in the frame of an assumption that I've posited school, and specifically *public* school, as a necessarily better education system.
So I have to ask -- what exactly are you arguing?
Do you seriously not accept that lack of development of social skills or diminished personal capability are real and meaningful risks regarding the proposition of homeschooling?
AntisepticHandwash it's a classic straw man. They've decided you're arguing something which you're not
I would consider intelligence of parents to be on par with if not more important than their emotional intelligence (both are neccesary though).
AntisepticHandwash How do you follow Jordan Peterson and think Emotional Intelligence is a proper concept? If my comment hasn't given it up already, EI isn't what it sounds. It's another name for a mixture of Openness, Politeness and Agreeableness. It's not a thing.
When I taught private art classes, my homeschooled students (and I had many, because those parents were looking for opportunities to socialize them outside the home) were generally the most focused, courteous and mature. It was very, very noticeable.
I chose to homeschool out of necessity. I never believed in homeschooling. Until my child came down with a disease from a tick, it was not planned.
I choose the Charlotte Mason Method. It’s a gentle style but rich education. I love teaching and she loves learning.
She never wanted to go back after getting well. She said I finally feel like I’m being educated. School is a challenge and a joy. I’m finally getting concepts that I struggled to learn and no one could give me an answer I understood.
Despite being in 8th grade and in algebra 2. She still didn’t understand fractions. She couldn’t explain it.
In home ec, she finally got the concept. Real world education. No dry boring textbooks. History read as a narrative rather than crusty facts.
Science was what parts she wanted to learn about. She did zoology, human anatomy, physic and chemistry.
It’s been my greatest joy to teach my daughter about the world. It’s awesome to see her have a say in her education.
I’d wished I would have started sooner.
I wish I had been homeschooled...
I have been a teacher and a soccer coach for 15 years, I can always tell the children who have been homeschooled, and/or have stay at home mom's. They are always more polite, grounded, and act their age. They have not been hardened by a broken system.
This.
I love how he separates himself from other speakers by looking at both sides of the coin and not just shoving his own point of view. He makes people think and act according to their own necessities.
Here's what you can expect from public education: the opportunity to learn, at a suboptimal rate, surrounded by suboptimal people, according to goals written by people who were not and are not professional educators. You can get a quality education in public school if you are strong willed, self motivated, and willing to learn. You can get the socialization experience (which I don't recommend, as I believe societies made by children to be cancerous) that, with proper parenting, can teach a child to develop thick skin, to be self determining, and to observe a healthy skepticism for other humans and their motivations. You can also get opportunities to develop skills and challenge yourself in athletics. But in all things in public ed. you will experience the feeling of being limited by the lowest common denominators of your population.
+Jerk Jerkington
EXACTLY, children need to be treated with the same respect as adults
Alloran
Some other things you learn in school. How to do drugs. get a venereal disease from black kids get pregent, hate white people and live off the government.
@@donsullivan6199 wow, racist much?
@@freddiemercury4evr everything I wrote is true. The only answer liberals have is to call people who tell the truth racist. What did I say that was not true you race hustling poverty pimp.
I'm only addressing one aspect of what you said: You are right that classrooms in public schools move at the pace of the lowest common denominator (which are often not the least bright students, but the lazy and/or disruptive ones who just want to loaf). The brightest and most motivated students thus have to battle massive boredom and frustration, because they know they're being held back. Even for the most self-motivated ones who will work on their own to learn what their classes don't cover, this boredom and frustration have a depressing effect on the spirit. One of the best things about home schooling is that kids are free to learn as much as they can as fast as they can, without being dragged down and held back from their potential. I think of it as "No Child Allowed to Excel" rather than "No Child Left Behind."
I was homeschooled during my elementary years and continued the rest of my schooling in public and private schools. I think keeping younger children home to learn, not only their schooling, but also their lessons of life and self care and absorbing their parents warnings of the world and the people in it is an extreamily possitive and valuable thing in someone's life. While I did want to go to school as a younger child, I think the benefits heavily out way that desire. And upon attending actual schools, I found I really preferred the homeschooling(although I did need to stay in the school system to gain the social aspect I had previously missed, which was also of great value).
Homeschool seems impossible and wrong because we’ve become dependent on dropping off our kids at 8am and picking up at 3pm. It’s not impossible to change our ways of life and do it correctly. During a better time a schoolhouse had no more than 20 children. A group homeschool study can create this. And for those that work gets in the way, what’s more important? Money or the future of your children? You have the amazing ability to shape your own and their future. Decide what’s most important
I think the trend towards remote working encouraged by the pandemic has made homeschooling more possible. In the US, the numbers of homeschooling families have more than doubled since the schools closed for COVID and those numbers have remained more or less stable since the schools opened back up.
I'm so glad I was homeschooled.
It's just nicer. I went to public school and homeschooled my kids. So much unnecessary BS that gets side stepped.
I wouldn't let my future kids anywhere near public schooling. As a monk on retreat I'd like to distance them from all of Society. My issue is how then will they meet to reproduce.
The reason a lot of people that were homeschooled are so damn weird is because their parents fed up with the incompetence of public schools, forget about the social aspect of school. They think all their children need is to learn a bunch of stuff in front of a computer and that's all. That computer in front of them does not hold all the answers, they need to learn how to socialize with other kids as well, that's actually even more important then a lot of the things any curriculum can give you, the ability to deal with other people, vital to landing a job and keeping the job, the reason kids are expected to go to school for in the first place.
ATurquoise Bolo
Good call, thanks.
i bet youre a weirdo now tho
He says the alternative to public education is difficult. No it’s not. If you want to homeschool your children, you are passionate about it! I love my kids like no one else can, I want to be with them, I want to experience the joy of learning WITH them. That is NOT difficult.
Just because it's not difficult for you doesn't mean it's not difficult to others.
Single moms can't homeschool.
If you have a child who has no siblings and it's introvert, homeschooling is not that great of an idea.
Also many parents don't have bachelor's degree to be allowed legally to home school.
I mean for middle-class income families who NEED two incomes it would be pretty close to impossible.
Well, I think for most of us homeschool moms, we love it and it's joyful, but it's also difficult. I wouldn't want to sugar-coat it too much for anyone considering it. Living on one income requires a lot of hard work and sacrifice, but yes, it's worth it.
@@purplerose5316 Not that I would suggest it for every single mom, but there are single moms who find a way to homeschool on a shoestring budget and shoestring time.
You sound pretty privileged that you can live off one income. Most people can’t do that
I was homeschooled in grades 2-4. We were living in a part of Boston called Back Bay, and the nearby public schools were absolutely terrible (I’m talking lead paint, low funds, bad location, etc.). My parents couldn’t afford to send me to a private school, and so I was homeschooled. I hated every minute of it, and I was thrilled when I got to go back to public school, but now I realize that homeschooling was best for my family at the time. My mom was a great teacher. I learned a lot from her, especially math, but I wanted to be with other kids and I wanted a teacher that wasn’t my mom!
I was homeschooled and loved it and had plenty of opportunities to “socialize” and plan on homeschooling my daughter. Also statistically homeschooled kids score very highly on state tests and SATs/ACTs. And...bad parenting is bad parenting whether you homeschool or not.
Schools in the Anglosphere manage to make most students dislike maths & science. I wonder if this is deliberate.
I think when 'Lots to Learn' says schools he means primary/elementary schools. I think when 'john doe' says schools he means universities. You're talking at cross purposes.
Probably not. The way kids avoid the bullshit is that they go into Stem. Two of my kids are in life sciences. When running into parents they all say their kids want to be biomedical engineers. Logically where do all these University specialties come from if they aren't getting high marks in the school.
Look at the numbers. More students would take STEM if they could. They can't because their interest in science was destroyed at school between the ages of 10-15.
Irving Ceron : Certainly agree that dropping out to become an electrician would be more lucrative. No degree is worth its debt.
Irving Ceron - If Johnny Bricklayer wants to start his own limited company he to will enjoy the benefits of a lower corporation tax. It may even be the thing that makes it economically viable for him to do so in the first place. 35% is ridiculous. 20% is more reasonable and WILL cause growth. Don’t believe partisan propaganda so willingly.
I went to a homeschooling program when I was 13 and ended up getting my GED. Even though at times I was lonely because I didn’t get the “high school” experience, I look at education and schooling in a completely different way. I’m in college now and I have outdone most of my peers are far as learning capabilities and knowledge retention. Looking back, I see that I was able to actually ponder on subjects, choose more things that I thought was interesting and take the time to retain the knowledge. In public school, I was struggling immensely and felt pressured to do things I wouldn’t normally do in order to fit in socially. In homeschooling, never felt like educating myself was a chore. I didn’t exactly enjoy it then but looking back, I wouldn’t change it.
I learned SO MUCH MORE being home schooled and loved it. I went to public school for high school to get used to that "system" to be ready for when i went off for college ...and HS was boring, slow, regimented to an idiotic degree, the kids were immature and disrespectful... its was such a step BACKWARDS. If you can, homeschool your kids