The Most Intense Debate in JRE History
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- Joe Rogan hosted the biggest debate in Joe Rogan Experience history with Classical Archeologist, Flint Dibble, and controversial journalist, Graham Hancock.
Graham Hancock's Netflix series, Ancient Apocalypse, as well as several books he's published, are a great source of tension within the scientific community.
In this video I react to Archeologist, Flint Dibble, debunking and disproving Graham Hancock's theories on a lost civilisation.
The clips in this video are featured on JRE #2136 w/ Graham Hancock & Flint Dibble.
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Since the appearance, I have been reliably informed Dibble has been seen in the audience at Kill Tony, purchased an ice bath and started ju-jitsu classes.
and had some elk meat
Dibbles gonna return to the show freaking jacked and bald
felt a glitch in the matrix when he started alluding to his "next" Rogan appearance toward the end of the Debate™
@@matthewsnyder674Don't you just hate that?
How long until we see Dr Dibbles onstage @ The Mothership, working on a tight 5min set?
“Jamie pull up Flint’s sleeves..”
Underrated Comment
@@Whitesquall123so true. Best comment
haha
😂
I can't with these comments 🤣
was Flint also wearing his dad's suit?
1:02 You killed me, thanks dude.😄
He was for sure wearing his sleeves.
100%
Hey! I made this joke first! Give me half your likes.
Thats just 3 kids inside a raincoat and a hat
Flint Dipple and Graham Hancock sounds like two NPC’s you meet in Red Dead Redemption who are very eccentric and give you a side quest to go find cave paintings or dinosaur bones
Brilliant
both have no weapons and speak past each other 🤣
Nah Flint and Hancock is giving Fallout 4
Genius!
We have a plan Arthur we just need money
"Two nerds having it out in front of a UFC commentator."
Just perfection lol
Lol one nerd vs some lying dude ismore accurate
Grant definitely makes some bold claims, but he has also made huge discoveries. I like people who think out of the box and come at things with a different angle. That doesn't mean he is always right, but you should be able to speculate about the past without being attacked @Zinjiredhawk4301
"Alright guys, now we're gonna give you gloves and go at it for 3 5-min rounds." 😂😂
He's also known for being his father's son🤣🤣🤣🤣
my daaaad
Warrior.... struggling.... to remain...
@@Medicalcannabisukwhoa buddy. The mash up of “my dad” comments are valid and odd enough to joke
Now you’re hostility at these valid comments is the odd thing. Judging by your reaction I’d suggest perhaps it’s you who has some sort of complex on the subject of “my daddy”
And for wearing his father’s clothes…
Innit how surnames like Jacobsen and Stevenson and Robinson happened?
“Enjoy 2 nerds having it out in front of a UFC commentator” This podcast is literally South Park episode.
Well, not LITERALLY.
@@ImnottapinataOh thank you so much for pointing that out.
I'm sure there is a better platform specific to this stuff. Wait. There isn't.
Ted Mosby is that you? @@Imnottapinata
South Park? So two nerds can't argue with a UFC commentator? Oh I'm sorry, I'm sorry I thought this was america. I thought this was america!
Almost died playing take a shot for everytime Graham changes glasses 😂😂😂
That shit was too funny 😂
Man wtf is he doin hahaha
Instructions unclear.
Currently in the hospital for alcohol poisoning.
hello tolllkien
For real..guy never heard of bifocals before?
What a loser.. loving and respecting his dad!
There’s having a deep love and respect for your father, and then there’s going completely over the top, and almost using him in a fallacious manner. “My Dad says….” “You’re wrong, because my Dad….” It’s boring.
It's the "Dad and Lad" show.
@@at7915 50 references in 60 mins... congrats
@@pommiebears trolls like you pretending you care is boring
@@pommiebearshe has deep respect for his father and wants to mention him nothing wrong with that. It also doesn’t make Hancock arguments anymore valid. Dibbles evidence was completely compelling all Hancock has is fantasies he’s conjured in his mind.
Flint Dibble is an Always Sunny character lmfao
Mantis Toboggan....MD
That is perfect
I could see the gang destroying his life in an episode.
is that his real name?? 😂😂🤣🤣
Crazy you say that. He's literally Jack Kelly. Same oversized suite, same voice, same cadence, and same small hands.
Flint's suit is fucking hilarious.
He could be wearing a Lil Kim pasty dress with the titty out and it wouldn’t have made him any less correct
Gah! I knew there was something about this guy that seemed really ‘off’ but I just couldn’t put my finger on it- it’s his ill-fitting suit!!
It’s mostly the button-down shirt’s sleeves. They’re covering his hands like he’s a toddler
It's his Dads
Don't hate the playa home hate the game 🤣🤣🤣
Hey, flint, what are your qualifications?
“Okay so my dad-“
Nepotism
@@joerarey8496 i dont think being in the same field as your father counts as nepotism haha
@@joerarey8496 thats not nepotism lmao
@@elliot2773 /sarcasm, like in the movie step brothers where John c riley keeps telling his dad that work is all about who you know and that he plans to follow in his father's footsteps, 'but you're a medical doctor?' 'I've tried to explain it him' lol
True😂😂😂
flint: "I wasn't alive yet, how would I know?"
sir, that is your whole profession
Flint didn’t have every answer to every question therefore the ancient alien civilization of Atlantis is REAL! An old British dude told me so it must be true
Exactly there is nothing at all wrong saying you don't know to a. Single question when you answer multiple other questions.@@rumbletown1563
@@rumbletown1563 shows how much you pay attention and are informed. Graham stays away from aliens and doesn't even say anything about aliens. He believes in advanced ancient HUMAN civilizations.
@@MrJaybeezy123 graham is a fraud my guy. He just ignores real archeological evidence and instead imagines a fantasy history
@@MrJaybeezy123 He used to talk about aliens though, since its even more idiotic than the shit he talks about, he quit it.
“Flint Dibble” was the second choice porn star name for Marky Mark’s character in Boogie Nights
Known for having the weakest ropes in the business.
@mischkin3588 more like Flint "Dribble"
Sure, Flint is the one with the pornappropriate name
@Rrang4 Haham grancock
Actually Dr Dibble was the second choice
Graham looked terrible on this episode. Had almost 0 evidence to provide. The core of his argument was just "but have archeologist looked EVERYWHERE???"
I thought the same came across salty, even with joe having bias towards him
Flint didn’t convince me of his side but Graham convinced me by saying he himself had “no evidence at all” of his theories. 🤦♀️
Fax. It felt like half is argument was playing the victim card. I get it how those articles on him were misleading but damn dude.
@@christinathein951Flint would go on to say "we have excavated thousands of ice age settlements and have found 0 evidence of this ancient civilization" Graham: "What percentage of the entire planet have you excavated though?"
@@jamescoayI'm not necessarily on Flint or Graham's side, but what I can say is, at least Flint came prepared with some legit evidence to support his side. Graham showed up with screenshots of tweets and some blurry photos of his scuba diving vacation with his wife.
the guy narrating this video is 100% chat gpt
no he's not i know him personally
@luketommy1325 don't listen to him, he's 100% char gpt.
“Yes that is his real name”… said that like 6 times it was making me mad
@@CountMeCurious You know chat gpt?
@@tylerdaigle1276 This might be a /whoosh situation. He's repeating the name as a joke based on how many times Dibble mentions his dad.
This definitely wasn't the most intense debate in JRE history.
Definitely not
Literally anything with Alex Jones is a million times more intense.
The one when Joe Rogan debated with the "disingenuous" debunker.
@@muddbear6410did you really tab for new paragraph on a TH-cam comment!? That's wild
The vegan guy vs the Paleo guy was pretty good
He wore the hat so you could tell he meant business about Archeology. 😂
It would be funny if he wore tin foil hat
@@VulgarTruth that would be GH 😂
My man did a 4+ hour podcast stiff-necked so he didn’t have to take the hat off to wear the headphones properly
he had previously been fighting nazis to find the holy grail
Indiana Dibble and the Raiders of the Lost ARc
Watching JRE has become a chore, unless certain people are guests, so these breakdowns are appreciated.
I stopped watching months ago when I realized Joe really was just gonna keep saying the same 10 things every episode. I watch the dawgz now (M&SSP) and occasionally I'll see a video like this or watch an episode if it has someone I really like. It's just personally if I had a couple hours with some of these interesting people I wouldn't take time to talk about MY daily cold plunge, sauna carnivore routine for the 55th time that week or regurgitate that the world is woke now and how barely funny comics are the savior to humanity
Same 2 u
*dap*
@@jordanalexander1592 ancient alien and big foot conspiracy theories aren't substance
I disagree.
It's also indicative (always) of the weakness of someone's argument when they feel the need to constantly talk over their opponent, which graham does all the time.
That also happens when someone is irritating you because what they are saying is complete bullshit, and if you open your eyes and clean your ears the one doing that was flintdoodle 🤠
I loved this comment " Jamie , please pull up Flint Dibble's sleeves" 😂😂😂
😂 I lost it when he was changing his glasses hahahahah
Close and long distance glasses
He forgot to recharge them at night.
I counted 7 times during that little bit gonna keep counttand update as i watch
Pretty sure that was just to get under Flints skin
Lol
swear if the old dude sounded American instead of British nobody would care what he says
its true, but there is a reason for that! hahahaha. The english education system is considerably, considerably greater than what the Americans have.
It's like how that 70s sitcom Are You Being Served? is considered the height of British comedy in America while it is considered dogshit in the UK, it's because Americans find British accents fascinating.
@@johnran6015 British comedy in general is massively overrated.
@@831bowl isn't it way easier lol
@@adamimberti6948 it requires a higher intellect to grasp
Flint Dibble's hat belongs in a museum
Unlike Hancocks opinions on history.
"I'd say a bunch of it has been surveyed, including by my dad."
😂😂😂😂😂
That killed me.
made me cringe my balls off
What's wrong with a child being proud of their parents achievements
@@Ktmfan450 Ya, I thought that was cute and wholesome.. 😊❤
@@backtomyroots6515 His dad spent more than 50 years working in Archaeology
It's impressive how much he contributed to our understanding of ancient culture
Dude looks like he wears his dad's suits too...
This is the comment I needed! LoL
That’s definitely his dad’s suit, or he got it from a thrift store. They don’t even make suits with shoulder pads that big anymore. Lookin like he stole the cushions off a loveseat and sewed them in there.
Not a lot of people have reverence for their fathers, but they should, so of course, I think it's natural that we would point out somebody who actually respects and loves their dad as being weird.
Dad's always get the short end of the stick
My favorite comment on this JRE video was "Let me get an 1/8th of Purple kush and an 1/8th of flint dibble" hahahaha had me dead
lmaoooooooooooo
And his brother was named Chip
I’m dead
Can we also take the time to point out he quoted someone instead of just stealing the comment👏🏾
“Jamie, pull up Flint Dibble’s Early Life section”
Hancock's claim that Spaniards couldn't influence Latin American cultures sounds a little moronic once you realize how prevalent Christianity is there.
Or the fact that Spanish is the most spoken language in the Americas, surpassing English and Portuguese
There culturally more spanish then indigenous
Influence is more of an understatement
Well that's just it. To understand the motivation of Christian missionaries, their goal wasn't to do shit with indigenous gods - alter them, their stories, make them "white people" for reasons, etc - their goal was to completely do away with what they saw as a great evil, the indigenous pagan religions which they believed gave the devil a foothold in the world. So Graham has half a point - believing that the Spaniards gave any fuck about re-writing any pagan deity who, as they saw it, was the motivation of endless human sacrifice (and they weren't exactly wrong were they), absolutely not; they just wanted it gone and gone fast. They were there on a plan of mass-conversion, which they saw as saving these people's souls, and in turn, the world, etc.
@@meritorioustechnate9455 no thats nonsense. it is absolutely unreasonable to suggest anyone to excavate entire portions of the earth in search of something that probably is not there. that would cost untold amounts of money, and take who even knows how long to do. the counter argument to that, that flint did make a few times is that, if there was such a large civilization that went across the whole world, why is it so hard to find, and why is it so easy to find the random hunter gather tribes, since those would be much smaller than this very large world civilization? think about it, if we get wiped out today, you will find way more evidence of cities and modern living than you would of tribes people in the amazon.
“Flint dibble and yes that is his real name” how many times u gunna say that lol
I kept thinking the video started over.
Drove me nuts
That was the best part tf
I found it hilarious because when I actually heard this guys name for the first, I literally thought inside my head, "wait thats actually his name???"
So I just found it hilarious that this guy is just as flabbergasted as I am that someone could have such a name lmao.
Like it was funny the first time but his name wasn't that weird, so it just got annoying.
First time I’ve seen Joe give proper push back against Graham.
It also explains why he push back against pseudoscientists instead of professional epidemiologists post Covid era.
i noticed this as well. this was 100% attributed to flints tangible and credible evidence in comparison to grahams opinionated trust me bro pseudo science stories
@@LowKickMT It's ALL 'trust me bro".. can't you understand that. We've dug up a few bones.. the rest is speculation
@@calholli Yes. That's the whole premise of the conflict. The Dribbles are trying to tell you facts based on their hypostheses and Hancock is trying to point out that it's not facts and the door is being shut on any other possibilities. Neither have to be right, but one side is saying they have solid facts and there's "no debate". That they rely on anyone disagreeing with them being discredited as huwite supremes... Like those anthropologists running with the current zeitgeist that bones found were non binary or trans... the establishment is very broken and need to be hunted down and allowed no respite.
@@calholli is you can dig up artifacts its not speculation. thats man made.
“Flint Dibble, and yes that’s his real name.” Alright dude we get it.
The super cut of graham constantly switching glasses was so funny. It was like a monty python skit.
I thought the same thing. What’s so funny is that it couldn’t even be comedically exaggerated. You would expect a parody where he switches glasses before he even lets go of the old pair, but he already does that in REAL LIFE lmao.
He’s British so makes sense hahaha
Flint sounds like a child but looks like an old English teacher.
I’m your teacher. First lesson my dad….
So a redditor
@@JCDenton916😂😂😂 💀
Why is this dude being proud of his father such a point of contention?
because most people dont have good relationships with their fathers so they get angry when they see someone who did. Flint loves his dad and is proud of his work and contribution to his field, thats a sign of a son who admires his father
I was thinking the same. It just sounded like a guy that's genuinely proud of his dad and still looks up to him. I thought it was nice honestly.
Because it has nothing to do with evidence and he's trying to leverage the legacy as it somehow adds to the credibility of his case. BTW I'm not on any side just pointing out the obvious.
@@nicholasbrown668 its cringe when kids brag about their daddies let alone a 50 year old man
@@MWMTEE annnnnd my point is proven
I used to smoke a lot of Flint Dibble but it made me very stubborn and wear weird hats. After my dad came and spoke with me about how I was acting and bringing shame onto him and our family, I decided to put down the dibble
Bro you never do the dibble, the first thing my dad taught me was to never dab with the diddle.
Hancock likely wrong? Yes.
Do you need to call him a racist for it? No.
Do you need to cosplay as Indiana Jones? Maybe not.
And Hancocks primary argument is basically we have only looked at the tiniest fraction of these areas so there may be much more. Which seems super reasonable
@@FirstLast-gk6lg yea and he also says that archeology refuses to do more investigation, but he forgets that as an archeologist you cant just go to a site somewhere in the desert with a shovel to start digging, you need funds to go on expedition. since Hancock makes millions and millions with his books and netflix series he could fund some expeditions for archeologists, cuz believe me, they would love to go to sites to dig up things, its the funding thats lacking.
this is also why ppl like hancock have to keep standing by their opinion (its just an opinion since there is no concrete evidence for most), cuz its the way he makes his money. so therefor, no matter how many scientist have debunked his theory (for example minuteman), he will stick to his viewpoint no matter what.
altho its definetly not good to call him a racist, i do get where it comes from. cuz it were the nazi's who came up with the theory that an advanced atlantis civilization build all these buildings including the pyramids (according to them they were an aryan society). whats kinda funny is that exactly the indiana jones movies show this, cuz against whom is indiana fighting in all those movies?
@joowsty and of course it would be awesome if we could get 1000x more funding and dig up the whole dessert and explore the whole ocean
@@joowsty but it's a pointless statement since all supremacist groups will claim responsibility for the greatness of humanity
Graham's been coming on Joe Rogan so long that Joe had hair when it started. Yes, I worded it that way on purpose.
Does semen cause hair loss?
@@calhollinot if you swallow it 😂
@@DGillian6406 heyyyy don’t tell that to my balding wife!
🥁 🥁 💿
@@CantTellYou 🤣
Epic😂
Dibble: I’m being attacked online bc of Graham
Joe: don’t read them
Graham: I’m being attacked online bc of Flint
Joe: that’s fucked up
Underrated comment
lol this ☝🏻
lmao
🤡
Tbh, anyone who looks like Flint. You don’t associate. They look like a hot mess and have multiple red flags. Hancock is chill and calm, ANYONE would have supported Hancock over Flint any day.
“Broke the record for the most times anyone has changed spectacles in a single episode of JRE“ proceeds to play 40 seconds of spectacle changing 😂😂 this had me spitting out my coffee.
Graham just wanted social reprisals and made it far too personal, it was childish to watch.
Honestly, look at how they ended the debate Dibble called for donations to keep archeology/anthropology research going. Hancock shilled his books. The motivations are there.
Yeah and one gains profit and one gets the money and then has to go to work
Amen. Have the archaeologists been harsh on Graham. Yes. Does he deserve it. Yes.
@@SapperRJMorganno he doesn't.
So crazy that a man who made a whole lucrative career out of talking about ancient civilizations might not be 100% accurate 🤯
Graham will be looked at differently after this episode.
I also hate when the "mainstream" archeological community tries to cancel me.
Aw shit i miss Zune. So underrated.
Big archeology with their liberal agenda.
@nedisahonkey get yourself another one and join the cult, I mean family.
Yeah I’m always afraid they’ll dig up some dirt on me. (lol?)
You archeology bad boys are always up to no good
Everyone knows Quetzalcoatl is a busty blonde dragon.
I see you're a man of culture as well.
I thought she was a GF from disc one
I understood that reference.
She has a form, simlar to Chel's, from the animated movie, El Dorado. 😂
#r/Rule34
No I'm not I have red hair
Take a shot for every time he says “Yes his name is actually Flint Dibble” Jesus Christ! We get it, he has an uncommon name. You don’t need to repeat it 10000 times.
Super annoying after the 3rd time. It was supposed to be a joke but God damn it sucked
If you don't add in those little asides there's no story and you can't pad out a video. It just becomes a case of some weirdo insisting that all indigenous people could only develop civilization through the instruction of superior aryan saviors VS an actual archeologist.
The ironic part of Graham Hancock saying that the archeologists are dependent on their narratives not being replaced, because that would alter the whole science and their liveyhood, when that is the same case for Hancock. If his unfounded stories are met critque he knows, that will make his own booksales and career stop.
Unfortunately I don't think it would people always want to think they are superior in some way and remarkably its always the mediocre that cling to it
its also ridiculous to say historians, archeologists and scientists in general are fighting tooth and nail to protect their narrative when in reality it really doesnt take much research to realize they constantly change their narrative according to new discoveries.
Of course new theories are going to be challenged. But if they're solidly backed up they will prevail. Hancock has zero evidence to back his claims.
Archeologists change naratives according to new evidence all the time. Look at Gobekli Tepe for example. First they thought it was hunter gatherers coming together for a ritual or something now they find a whole city with dwellings and it looks like a more permanent residence. They even did rebuild stuff, sometimes.
@@tobiastho9639 exactly, they're also the ones that found the new structures in the amazon and are basically saying this changes everything. What does Hancock say? Well it automatically must be an ancient global protocivilization that were built by the same society as gobekli tepe.
Graham has way more to lose if his ideas are proven false.
Hancock's documentary is same as ancient aliens, he just says it was done by ancient civilization instead of aliens..
Which somehow makes it even more grotesque because it’s a never ending tale of the chicken and the egg story. Ok an advanced ancient civilization taught everyone everything… but who taught those guys all of this ? My bet is an even more advanced and ancient lost civilization.
@@NecronomThe4th okay. I see that, but who taught THOSE guys?
I hate how much people hold up these debates. Graham Hancock is a cool dude but he’s also completely insane haha just because this dibble dude is a bad debater does not mean that graham is right. He’s just more charismatic and is a better communicator.
You guys are ignorant asf 😂
@@NecronomThe4thalbino people
I can't help but wonder... is "Flint Dibble" his actual name? The narrator wasn't very clear on that point.
sadly yes
@@thekey1175
that was rhetorical. He said it's his actual name about like once every 2 minutes through the whole video. Lol.
@@rogerscurlock2927 I think he obviously knows that bro lmao
@@phoenixmodellingphotography
People generally don't answer questions they understand were rhetorical. Lol.
It’s like someone reading from a teleprompter. He says his name and thinks the rest of it is part of his name too. 🤣
Hancock got owned during that episode. Flint showed actual receipts and all of Hancock's stuff was pure speculation.
@@Nall412 Dude It was an expert talking to a wannabe and it showed.
@@Nall412yeah hancocks theories are BS ive been a fan of him before, read his books - he just wants his fiction to be real but its not
Graham came to play the victim card here. He didn't prove any of his theories or claims and actually just came out looking like a common conspiracy theorist. Indiana Jones brought receipts and evidence and I actually liked his arguments.
It's funny how they are trying to deny attacking Hancock, while he's reading their open attack letter to netflix. lol.. It's hilarious.. "We're not attacking you, we're just trying to get you canceled'.. When your whole argument is that it's antizemect^c or hwyhiett supr3 mazizsst.. instead of addressing anything on the merrits.. You know what it is... and I'll be shocked if anyone can read thiz
He had no arguments.
Archeologists are all worked up because Hancock is getting tons of visibility for theorys that are the equivalent of flat earth.
I don't condone the smear campaign but can understand their disgust
@@matthewklein9225 No, it's the fact that they are all doing the same thing. They are looking at the same bones or carved stones that we can see--- ALL the rest is speculation.. all of it. on BOTH sides. These theories happen because there is simply not enough evidence to prove anything either way. An educated guess and a little deductive logic can go a long way, but it doesn't mean that it's correct at all. We just don't know... and that goes for most science. We just don't know how the brain actually works.. We just don't know exactly how sub atomic particles work.. We just don't know how big the universe actually is. We don't know sh^t
@@matthewklein9225 No, it's the fact that they are all doing the same thing. They are looking at the same bones or carved stones that we can see--- ALL the rest is speculation.. all of it. on BOTH sides. These theories happen because there is simply not enough evidence to prove anything either way. An educated guess and a little deductive logic can go a long way, but it doesn't mean that it's correct at all. We just don't know... and that goes for most science. We just don't know how the brain actually works.. We just don't know exactly how sub atomic particles work.. We just don't know how big the universe actually is. We don't know sh^t
You called the Aztecs Hunter gatherers lol
💯 Europeans should have no say when it comes to Native American culture.
@@Ocelotonatiuhnatives should have no say on anything civilized💯
@@Ocelotonatiuh We already did, its over 500 years ago.
@@anon2427 "rEaLiTy iS wHaT mY fEeLiNgS sAy iT iS. nATiVeS weRe cRuDe sAvaGeS aNd i rEfUse tO AcTuALLy bEcOme eDucAtEd oN tHiS."
@@michaelhaydenbellwoah cool it man, have a Pepsi.
I know Flint is goofily dressed and should have worn something more serious if he wanted to be taken seriously, regardless, this episode destroyed GH for me. He doesn’t carry himself well at all and I had much higher expectations from him.
I’m sure he gives a shit what you think
@@justinwinningham4892 what a random, pointless and low effort thing to still be replying to comments with in 2024. The whole point of this debate was a battle for what people think.
Graham lost imo.
@@justinwinningham4892do you just get online to say random shit
@@justinwinningham4892he should care what people think if he’s trying to convince them with his theories.
Can't wait to listen to the whole thing
Some archaeologist once named his son flint...that guy is a legend
"The one guy who has most influenced me on (subject X) doesn't know dick about (subject X)" is pretty much its own Rogan subgenre at this point
JRE in a nutshell 😅🥶
bulletproof coffee
Im reminded of an old OnA clip of rogan telling a woman who called in who was very educated about monkies and Joe was telling her "shut up stupid" just cuz he read a bunch of stuff about primates online and he felt on par with her.
@@justinanderson8356 its the bondo ape and joe still believes it to this day even though it was widely debunked at the time he first read about it. His evidence was that he saw an article about it on CNN. They were just a fat already discovered subspecies of common chimpanzees. They were thought to be some kind of gorilla hybrid because of a singular deformed skull found and also many fake stories that they were wildly aggressive, howled at the Moon, were immune to poison, and nested on the ground. They were in fact not aggressive to humans nor did they howl and only nested on the ground cause they were too fat/well fed in this region.
@@justinanderson8356 Bro, Joe is most definitely one of the foremost primate researchers in the world, let’s be honest
You made a mistake at 13:11. The natives in Mexico were not hunter gatherers and no archeologists thinks that. The farmed many crops, and domesticated corn.
Hell, they had pyramids. Hunter gatherers wouldn't build structures like that.
Just for everyone’s info; Flint Dribble is a legend in the world of Warcraft.
Is that where he does his work? The world of Warcraft?
Lolol if we don’t listen to him it might be the end of the world… of warcraft
That’s why I’ve never heard of him. He’s a loser. Ig im a loser for commenting this on a TH-cam video but I’m just not a loser that plays wow lol
Drop the the, it’s cleaner.
@@Queefy I’ll take it from you, killer.
When you said "The Alex Jones of history and archeology" I was like...ahah s*** here we go 😂
That guy's being a real "Flint Dibble" 😂
Wat r u talking about ? U believe Hancock is an actual scientist or knows anything about archeologist
@@WhatIsayIsStupid wow! You got that out of a little joke of a comment. Jesus H Christ help us all. I guess your name says it all😆
@@christopher.m.dickinson0315his or her username seems to check out. Pretty legit, I'd say lol
@@christopher.m.dickinson0315dude there’s some sorry sacks here who are strangely getting sensitive over Indiana Jones comments.
@@WhatIsayIsStupidwhy is everything you say stupid?
How you could summarize this without noting Hancock’s best evidence was blurry photos that his wife took is impressively braindead
Definitely didn't expect podcast cringe to side with Graham here lol
@@DailyShit. all the most successful people kiss old men, Gary V did it so it’s good enough for me
@@DailyShit. He wasn't kissing him, him was sucking the last remnants of credibility from a dying man to make his own.
@@CMike44 "He's probably more than likely full of shit"
@@StuAusNatives do have an incredibly hard time growing facial hair in North America, not sure about South but wouldn't be surprised if it was the same.
Aztecs weren't hunter-gatherers. They domesticated corn, tomato, squash, cocoa, etc. They had a sophisticated agricultural system that allowed them to grow crops on top of lakes.
Sure, and if they were part of some global civilisation, why weren't those crops exported around the world until the post-columbus era.. You'll never get Hancock to answer that question because it and his ideas are mutually exclusive.
Yea a good portion of the world were still practicing cannibalism including eroupe, to different degrees. before they came to the America's and got civilized
He said they developed from hunter-gathers. IE; they were hunter-gatheres and developed into the Aztecs as time went on.
Everyone was a hunter-gatherer at some point until they weren't.
NO! The aliens gave them the crops. Its so obvious, what is wrong with you?
Love how Dibble starts off insisting that you can't possibly tell someone's race from a depiction, then uses a depiction to insist on someone's race
Hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness go hand in hand.
There is no way you ignore the context, so you can try to be right.
Using the description on a stone tablet to distinguish race is so far removed from using a coloured picture.
It's also noteworthy that Graham says that you can't tell anything from the colour picture that Dribble uses so at best you could say that neither of them are listening to the other ones point but at the worst you can say that they are as bad as each other.
Only one side has actually evidence though.
It's also hilarious that this other empty head would mention lack of self-awareness when you both displayed lack of self-awareness right here 😂
At the end of the day Graham is a loonie with gigantic confirmation bias, that's why he "sees" what he wants to see in ancient carvings. Realistically, you can not make out much for certain, especially features of depicted humans and animals. If I'm drawing an african man on a paper, it might just be a sketch where I'm not even going to fill in the dark skin. Why couldn't ancient artists have done the same thing?
Big noses could have been seen as attractive, thus the depictions got big noses, not because it was common to have a big nose, for example. A simple example of something that would easily trip up future archeologists into drawing conclusions because they're over-confident and quick to conclude things. Especially if they're *dead set* on them having big noses as a core tenet of their thesis, like Graham with the bearded men...
The flint guy is like a real life version of Alan from the Hangover
Whats with the clickbait title G it was actually a pretty tame debate
Welcome to Podcast Cringe.
It's part and parcel
We need a podcast cringe cringe channel
Dude drops a whole new 30 minute video every time shulz opens his mouth, not surprised he milked the fuck out this one too
There are people who are die hard believers of wook science in America. If you haven't seen it you are lucky or you're a member of Alex Jones inter dimensional aliens. My family believe this to the point they're loud about end times.
That dude was changing his glasses when he wasn’t even looking at or reading anything. He was just flapping his gums. It’s like a nervous tick or something.
he has glasses for far away, close up, and normal ones and couldn't keep up with which ones were which lol
Flapping his gums ? Sure😂 Tell me you support mainstream archeology. Without saying it😂
@@bozbozman1575 nobody said that. But this guy makes everyone outside of the mainstream field look bad.
this was HILARIOUS sorry I am going to write to respect elders and he needs glasses for different distances, BUT IT WAS HILARIOUS
Yes, caught in his lies and fantasy... it was sad to see.
It's not Graham they need to talk to. It's Randy.
Gotta love when Joe "moderates" these "debates". Just talk over and gang up on the person not going along with the narrative he wants to believe.
stay outta the kitchen if you cant take the heat
@@jordanalexander1592 lmoa, i was going to say , he never ganged on on any one. Then realize the idiot didnt even watch the podcast.
@@jordanalexander1592 I mean the analysis is pretty accurate, Joe: "I mean that looks like human made" LOL
I appreciate how Joe called for a civilized discussion when it got too heated.
In fairness, Joe did disagree with Hancock a couple times
First point, him referring to his dad in this day and age is not a minus its a plus. Anyone who loves and admired their father has love in their heart. Two, he did a very good job as showing Grahams greatest fault. Graham argues that because we have not found evidence that it doesn't exist than it must. Flint argues basically that the lack of evidence to prove something is not proof that it is out there to be found. it was a great debate and both men did a good job. I think Graham was a bit boomerish when it came to blaming Flint over manipulation of online comments.
Exactly!!!
@@jordanalexander1592 no, graham brought it up first. Even Joe called him on it. Flint did it as defense which he shouldn’t have.
@@Littlemilkjug533 I think he should have considering the claim he was makin, lets analyze his claim, "Graham's uncritical regurgitation of theories based on racism, leads to attraction and promotion of racist ideals", ergo need to look at the opinions of fans of Graham Hancock, it is very logically cogent.
@@ASH-su6nb graham is probably not racist, I don’t know because I don’t know him. There is evidence that he is so we must assume innocence. However, Atlantis has in the past been used to say that it must have been a lost European empire that made these great things all over the world because the primitive natives could not. That’s what flint was saying.
You can't deny dibbles love for his father. I actually became a fan of this guy. Can't help but think he looks like Dwight from the office. 😂
Dwight was the best character
Well, wearing his dad’s suit is one way to show that.
This dude sucks so much and you're a fan 😂😂😂
Dwight and mose love child
You must be intelligent
Graham Hancock is a sociologist and has no business discussing anything with a real archeologist. He makes claims that are unable to be proven.
"Did I tell you I have a DAD?"
I actually think it’s pretty cool that he’s so proud of his dad.
IKR, but be careful on this channel; it has a suspicious number of Dibble fans who love posting crap about Hancock and getting tetchy when Dibble is insulted.
@@thomasthellamas9886 it's not a bad thing, it's just hilarious 😂
"..And yes that's actually his real name" had me rolling my eyes every single time..
Yeah that was annoying after the second one.
definitely a terrible bit, genuinely couldn't believe how many times he repeated it. grateful to see i am not alone
Graham took that L
I tried to play a game where I took a shot for every time Flint mentioned his Dad, I ended up in the hospital.
"I'm presenting facts about what you said"
"And I'm presenting facts about archeology" - Ngl Dibble was kinda slick with that one
Lol dude came across as an absolute condescending moron. I watched the whole debate and came out thinkin flint was an absolute moron living off his father's prestige
Nah that was pretentious
@@supercussion6590it’s pretentious when a guy with a phd pushes back against a guy with no qualifications who spreads misinformation?
@@chiballexactly. Graham is a hobbyist. He's arguing with people who have spent their whole life studying in one field. He's basically terrence howard of history.
Also, graham admits he came up with the "species with amnesia" stuff before he had any evidence for it. So, he wrote a fantasy story, and is now trying to prove that story is true.
That's not how science works. You don't force evidence into an idea.
Graham is a con man.
„Hey Lois, this is even funnier than when I was the corny archeologist Flint Dibble”
underrated comment
💀💀💀
Omg comment of the century
Rogan was clearly sided with Hancock and totally falls for the "but it really looks like it" line of reasoning. Hancock brought zero evidence which actually challenged Dibble other then, "bUut hOw MuCh HaVE YoU LoOKed?"
Dibble changing Joes mind on the rock that looks like a pointed tip was a score in Dibbles favor.
have you seen the full podcast? i sensed the opposite, most of the time joe was realizing how much bs graham was really producing
flint came with a presentation filled with facts about the topic they agreed to discuss. graham came with a presentation filled with ways his feelings got hurt
The blurry pictures were more than enough proof in Graham’s mind. 😂
what evidence Dibble provided? all he had was a forced laugh...
Flint dibble sounds like Jason Schwartzman. He’d be a good Wes Anderson character
Bro would rather hold his headphones to his ear half the time than take his hat off.
Someone else has said he underwent cancer treatment in the past. Not sure if it had an effect on his hairline
bald spot
Flit Dibble vs Graham the Grifter and Snake Oil Salesman.
I’m 10 minutes in and If you say “yeah that’s really his name” one more time, I’m disliking un subbing and crying myself to sleep
I’m half way through and it’s been said 4 times! Buckle in there, bucko! You’re going to be reminded that Flint Dibble is, in fact, his real name a bunch more!
Imagine having a career as an archaeologist and not getting any public exposure or seeing mainstream media taking any interest in what you do and then suddenly there's a Netflix special for a guy who isn't trained in your discipline and has a lot of half-baked ideas that contradict what most archaeologists believe to be the most coherent telling of our past. It would be somewhat frustrating I imagine, and of course, you'd want to counter their arguments and try to let the world know why archaeologists reject the ideas presented are lacking in supporting evidence.
Indeed it inspires jealousy. Nothing wrong with countering the arguments, nothing wrong with giving a retort. The exaggerated behavior, condescension, implying he's helping white supremacists, etc. is too far. I don't believe Hancock's ideas, but the idea making claims is "dangerous" is inaccurate & an old excuse to restrict freedom of speech. Few people care enough to engage with the ideas seriously or influence the practice of archaeology. Anyone interested enough to actually engage with, memorize & start influencing the field of study will have the truth and evidence already readily & widely available. Heterodox ideas will always exist & should be embraced by the community for the purpose of highlighting their truth.
@@user-xs3nx8mv9d so I imagine you're much like me, and able to watch people on Joe Rogan and make your own mind up. I do wonder if it isn't the publications themselves who encourage people to cite racism as a reason for countering somebody else's ideas as it seems to be an obsession of much of the press especially in the US. Graham is obviously not a racist and it's an extremely hurtful and even a harmful accusation to make. That said, it is true that racists have attempted to diminish the achievements of non-Westren civilisations and putting forward arguments that achieve this goal, even as a bi-product, supports these people, but I still don't think this makes these ideas necessarily racist.
@@jim23mac We agree on those things yes. The archaeological community is doing themselves a disservice
You could be a trained scientist but all those scientific studies were already proven by ancient Hindu scholars lol. They even knew about the universe and time dilation. To even a nuclear war in Invictus Valley in India 🇮🇳. Don’t forget that all the civilization created all their pyramids at the same time! lol 😂 so tell me who’s a better thinker I think Dr. Grand than that archaeologists. Plus the guy in the hat keeps trying to attack his credibility and character than goes lower and calls him a racist.
@@jim23mac A lot of people misunderstand graham and make assumptions crazy assumptions about his theories like "I've heard Handcock says Egyptians didn't actually make the pyramids, but white people did it instead." or something ridiculous that he never said just because he thinks the dates aren't accurate.
Mf looks like he just got Zoltar to change him back
underrated comment lol
Dude only changed his glasses every time that other guy said my dad
Hancock uses manipulative language.
Maybe he does, but trying to associate him with all those "isms" is inexcusable.
@@dimitrioskantakouzinos8590 The guy is poisoning the well of human history by existing. That's a bit worse than anything else he could be called.
But you say nothing about all the vile racebaiting attacks by that Dibble fella? That's not manipulative? Since when does all this have to be so hostile? Hancock has written plenty of very well researched books, yet people like the guy on this channel are clearly all for getting personal instead of offering mature, educated counterpoints.
But sure, Hancock's the one being manipulative....
Wow.
Flint Dibble destroyed Grahams weak theories like nothing what is this channel smoking. And yeah when he made fun of Flints name for the 5th time it was just pure cringe. Graham claiming Bimibi road is man made was painful jesus fucc… and his pictures of rocks and how sleazy he was when trying to convince Joe it is man made… ugh I actualy think people like Graham have its place in bringing weird claims by thousands and eventualy 1 will be true but him claiming like BIG SCIENCE or whatever is comming after him… thats such a cringe trope its so overplayed
16:37 “well actually we can’t see anything from that image”
Says the man with 16 different pairs of glasses
Yet when showing his pictures "OH I HAVE MANY MORE PICTURE AT HOME" "ONE ROCK FORMED AS A HUMANS HEAD!!!" So bring it? Nah Graham lost everything to me. Thanks Flint for waking me up to his BS.
Right 😂😂😂😂
I almost did a spit take reading this comment and watching that at the same time 😂
Imagine spending your whole life studying bones n what not for a mf in a whole different field try to tell you that you don’t know anything 😂 I’d be livid
Have you seen how livid Neil DeGrass Tyson gets when he’s confronted with the modern trans activist debate? IE when he’s told that cutting children’s genitals off is probably not a good idea?
A PHD doesn’t make someone more right than someone without one.
Just look at all the healthcare bureaucrats and professionals that praised lockdowns, masks, and experimental gene-therapy clot shots that are now being shown to cause cancer, autoimmune disease, and cardiac arrest due to myocarditis.
Meanwhile, Rogan, sans PHD, took IVM and recovered in 3 days.
For rational critical thinkers, the term “expert” is now a trigger for “bullshit artist.”
Honestly, props to Flint Dibble ( if that is his REAL name!) For coming on for a debate he knew would be stacked against him. Right or wrong, it took guts
It truly took dipples as hard as flint
Yea Flint handled it great. Graham got a bit too emotional at times. We need more debates like this on Rogan. I hope Flint grew more fans after this episode.
He started the podcast off as though he could do some sort of 'in media res' fashionable opening to ancient history by spending the first 10 minutes talking about ancient spank bank material. He looked, acted like and spoke like some R/Atheist hairy greaseball who spewed buzzwords to cancel and cannibalize Graham's clout. What are any of you talking about?
@@gymbmymb3465One small Quibble:
Redditors don't have the endocrine health to grow body hair.
@@gymbmymb3465oh god you don’t actually believe Hancock do you?
Aztecs were way beyond hunter gatherers
That suit does not fit him correctly
Cause it’s his DADDDS
I've never understood the whole "i don't care how I look, I'm too busy uncovering the secrets of the universe" thing.
I think it started with Einstein and his stupid hair but now it just seems like aesthetic choice.
@@adamimberti6948I can’t be bothered by trivial things such as apparel fitment
Half of the West can't relate to respecting their dad😅😅😅
True. That's Flint's redeeming quality.
I respect my Father fine but I don't need to constantly call upon him, because I'm a grown man with children of my own.
Flint Dibble is a redditor manchild.
Those are not the hands of man that digs through rocks for a living. He tried hiding them with his oversized shirt cuffs, but I’m on to him.
Your comment reminded me of that lawyer in It's Always Sunny, the one who's hands are too small. Lmao
wait.. did you think archaeologists physically dig with their bare hands? lol
He’s got gerbil hands,, I think stunt doubled for deadpool when deadpool was in his baby form
@@laneswervethey absolutely do, have you not seen footage of them on their hands and knees armed with nothing more than a brush as they wipe away the dirt?!
Did you think they use machinery to dig up precious and fragile artifacts and the brush thing was just a movie trope?
@@sirtra this has to be a joke. There's no way you're this confident in your answer while simultaneously providing the reason why you're wrong in your own reply.
Yes, they BRUSH away the dirt. BRUSH. Not dig into the dirt with their bare hands to the point where their hands become calloused and rough, which was the entire freaking point of the comment.
The process is read the comment, understand the comment, THEN respond sarcastically. You skipped the understanding part.. Nice try though ;) /headpat
The only annoying thing about this video is the repetition of the statement " and yes, this is his real name".
I think him having his dad as reference is pretty credible. Ain’t that big of a deal
It could also literally just be him saying it more than it's true. Both of these guys are saying nothing but "trust me bro" and "my mama says" in short.
@@alligatorwithwifi6111 I’d argue, Dibble has way more credibility and is basing his research on his father’s findings (which is available online) and other archaeologists.
While Hancock, is literally giving his idea of something and the why is yeah because it looks like it? If you put this on a scale - BS is tipping towards Hancocks side
It’s not a battle of ideas it’s a battle of ideas vs lack of evidence
They both lack evidence… let’s be honest archeologists are just as bout clueless as anyone else … wasted money and guessing to spread as fact
Does this channel have anything else to offer other than videos on Schulz, Rogan, Bert and Tom?! Bro, I can't be the only one getting burnt out on videos of the same 4 guys, over and over and over. If I want to see 10 videos a week on the same exact topic I'll just watch that hack, The Quartering.
Edit: Still not wrong.
Agree but ask long as they keep trying and making fools of themselves we'll watch it
I agree I feel like this channel and comedy enforcer rotate the same exact stuff.
@@superfarful good assumption. Again, look at the grifter-hack, The Quartering, and countless others.
Weird that you would add this comment to the one video that’s actually different for a change
@@melodymyers7123 Mind-blowing, even.
Hancock has so many holes in his plots he could be a Hollywood writer.
When referring to the myth of the white civilizer in Aztec culture being a Spanish invention, he asks "Do you think that the indigenous people of the Americas would allow that myth to be imposed upon them?"
Fucking lmao, like the Spanish would conquer them and then politely ask if its ok to rewrite their history. How the fuck would the few surviving locals be able to object to something written in a completely alien language and alphabet? What argument even is this
He is a Hollywood writer
Definitely not a myth lmao
When he asked Flint that about the indigenous people I thought dude they're literally all christians now.
The Spanish weren't there to re-write their history, they were there to purge it completely. So Graham has somewhat of a point, they would have not given a fuck about changing a depiction of a heathen god they already considered evil and not worth their time.
@@NecronomThe4th😂😂
This coverage was weirdly defensive of Graham because he appears like the cool kid when compared to Flint who has a funny name and wore an ill fitting shirt... This is fucking stupid lol, podcast cringe is cringe
Fair enough. That was certainly my initial impression and Dibble being a little off putting but reading the comments and watching it makes me tend to agree with you.
Definitely makes me think whoever runs this channel is a dumbfuck tbh. Like he actually thinks Graham Hancock is being "canceled" lol what a fuckin rube 😂
Yeah I don't think I'd go so far as to say that PodCringe is cringe himself but I was really really hanging out for his classic label of "Hack" to come in against hancock.
I think people outside of science also attribute too much weight to verbal debates like this, when in actual fact scientific debate almost always happens through publishing of data. Hancock doesn't actually publish a lot of evidence and so he is kind of a hack, by the definition of the word.
Pod cringe did point out how sometimes the outlier has been correct historically but he did these historic cases a total injustice by looping them in with HackCock because those outliers will have always have evidence for their position instead of just being cry babies claiming they've been cancelled by BigDig
He said he's probably full of shit but it's unfair how they attack him.
Don't think I have ever seen a person that looked EXACTLY like his name.
That last "sorry, i misspoke, chill" was lowkey hilarious
Bro him switching his glasses so much gave me anxiety and idk why lmao😂
Why does this mf have so many glasses