Joe is confusing the concept of a "steel man" argument with the "Man of Steel" argument, which claims that Superman flew the astronauts to the moon and back.
@@AloisWeimar Bro if anyone who isn't a physicist says " i got an A in Physics" they deserved to be ridiculed. I think the earth is a globe and I think we went to the moon. Its just so dumb to reference you physics class in college as if that makes you an authority on physics in any way. You have to see the comedy in that right?
It says something about the US governments of those times... a false flag here and there to get what you want seemed to be the norm rather than an accidental situation
For anyone who doesn’t know, “steel-man” isn’t just devils advocate, but specifically a “even in the best case scenario where your argument is true, here’s why it still doesn’t work”
That'd not muly understanding of a steel man. A steel man would be reciting my opponents argument to the be of my ability and to show why it would be true. The point is to show that I can understand exactly what my opponents argument is. Because why debate if you don't understand the opposing view?
@@Octavian2 the displaying of understanding in a steelman is more to illustrate why you can refute the opposing argument even in the best case scenario supporting their argument The point isn’t showing understanding, the point is using understanding to display that even if you understand the argument perfectly, it still sucks because of all of your counter arguments
@ProjectileGrommet I suppose inevitably it's to show why you can refute the argument. But it kind of goes without saying because that's the whole point of debate.. In any event, it is useful and should be done more.
If you know anything about kurbrick and his personal life, he never would have worked with the US gov on anything, let alone a piece of progaganda. He fled the US and Hollywood for England for a reason. He was intensely private and hated popular politics, and all he wanted to do was stay at home, play with cats and computers, and read and write and make more films.
@@chonk1457 he called him a liar, fake and fraud, he got the smack in the mouth for calling him an unpatrioric american and a disgrace, if you ever see this youll want to punch him too haha
@@Predictbauer yep, 100% sold out. There’s actually info on him being connected to gov intelligence agencies now as well. Mathew North did an excellent breakdown years ago, it’s pretty buried but you can find it if you look hard enough
@@user-rt2sm5ny5r I’m glad you enjoyed it.. there’s a lot of info in there and he does an excellent job connecting dots. Yea it’s 2 hours and change.. He used to make excellent video breakdowns about what really goes on in the world currently and through history. It’s widely speculated that he got killed because of this because many of his topics were “off-limits”
You think a rocket taking off wouldn't have moon dust everywhere? How about landing with the camera getting the perfect shot!? They had color for the visuals but pushed black n white.. how about bubbles in space? How about taking footage of that thing we're on?
A straw man argument is when someone sets up and then disputes an assertion that is not actually being made. A Steelman argument is simply the opposite of a strawman. It is a technique that presents the other person's case in the strongest possible form.
Of course, there was a controlled demolition. Think about it you topple two buildings and lose a couple thousand. Or, you let them fall and potentially lose tens of thousands. That's called The Backup Plan. Especially when crazy terrorists go crazy. Hate to be that guy, but plenty of buildings have rigs like this, and yes, I would push that button to save more people. It's the train problem, to a larger scale. Most would.
Yo, engineer and Aerospace enthusiast here. The radiation in the Van Allen belts actually isn’t as strong as some believe. The radiation is UV which is extremely harmful but easy to block, in fact the particles can’t pass through a sheet of paper. Although yes a human in this region UNPROTECTED will most certainly die but let’s remember the astronauts were incased in a command module that was 3mm of aluminum which can easily block the UV radiation from entering the spacecraft. Now that being said they did fly through the weakest portions just in case and the spacecraft was designed to withstand the worst solar flare ever recorded at the time. The radiation was taken very seriously but it ended up not being that big of a deal and astronauts were even equipped with Geiger counters.
According to chat gpt: No, the radiation within the Van Allen belts is not ultraviolet (UV) radiation. It primarily consists of charged particles, such as electrons and protons, rather than electromagnetic waves like UV radiation. UV radiation comes from the Sun and is not typically associated with the Van Allen belts.
Me: How could astronauts be protected? Chat gpt: Astronauts can be protected from the radiation within the Van Allen belts through various means, including shielding on spacecraft, limiting exposure time, and developing advanced materials that can absorb or deflect radiation. Additionally, spacecraft can be designed to traverse the belts quickly or to navigate through areas of lower radiation intensity.
engineer and aerospace enthusiast, ask yourself this question: How much of the things you speak of, can you ACTUALLY prove?? (and not just reference some article written by NASA or their benefactors)
@@qna95BAnd then follow it up by disproving anything he says, other than regurgitating tinfoils like the guy in the video. Evidence doens’t just go one way sir. 👍
Haha I often forget that Burts name is Burt because of this channel. When people reference him in other podcasts it takes me a sec to be like “oh yea bUrt, thats bart, got it”
Listening to this episode was tough. Bart constantly referred to his movies, books, and website. It was a 3-hour infomercial that made me think of televangelists begging for donations to buy a new private plane.
DAMN , you criticized the whole Joe Rogan show and said that you would give your opinion if you think that we landed on the moon …. AND NEVER EVEN GAVE US - your viewers , your opinion???
Generally, TJRE Podcast is NOT a ‘Debate Show’. If Joe, like most Podcasters, host a Guest, it’s to ask smart questions and allow the Guest to share their opinions and views - it’s not debate or challenge Guests. It’s up to the viewer to decide what they think, etc, and form their own opinions. (Obviously, Joe, like any host, are free to throw their own opinions in here & there if they want). Now, it’s another question completely whether a Debate or challenging makes better content and/or is what some viewers want to consume - but, generally, that’s not the role of a Podcast host. By your logic, virtually any Guest which Rogan has on - mainstream or alternative - there needs to be another person present to provide a counterpoint - that’s not a Podcast.
On the photograph argument, I have seen flat earthers go so far as to edit a shadow in NASA photos to say “See! It’s not real!”. When the REAL nasa photo doesn’t show any shadows in the wrong position at all. I have also see flat earthers take a photo in the desert and put a red layer over the photo to say that the U.S. faked going to Mars. Because then they take their unedited photo of the desert and the flat earthers will compare their red edited photo and say “Hmmm, looks like I found the exact spot where they photographed this fake mars landscape”. YES. They do go to that extreme of trolling.
@@mariobtron5907 i think both his parents were ghost hunters? or something strange like that as well. Not sure but yeah hes always had a very weird take on things. Keeps it interesting though.
0:13 I don’t know if Jamie went to film school, (I personally did), but it certainly sounds like Jamie is doing exactly what I’d be doing, literally anyone with a basic understanding of film technology and camera workings, can easily debunk Barts claims, it is so frustrating when Joe almost reliably decides to protect his guests from criticism in order to defend the flow of conversation.
@@jordanthomas4379I'm pretty agnostic on the whole moon landing thing. It stays in the realm of interesting thought experiments and fun speculation for me. I'd recommend Dave McGowans 'Wagging the moon doggy' for a well written conspiracy essay on the moon landing. I think he does really interesting work. But again, I'm agnostic on the subject.
It's pretty evident the guy who made this video isn't in any way trying to look at this argument from an unbiased position. When he makes comments like "let's get back to his hoax argument." It's his theory argument.
That's because there is no argument to be had. One side is spewing absolute nonsense and ignoring any/all evidence that doesn't fit their narrative while the other side is utilizing empirical evidence and factual information. Like the "Flat Earth Theory," this subject is not even remotely debatable. We undeniably went to the moon and anybody arguing otherwise is either dangerously ignorant or has some sort of financial agenda (or both, like this intellectual toddler Bart, here).
Yea he's just repeating what we heard a million times already.. Dude can't come up with his own arguments and ideas. Like this stupid idea that NASA would fake photos even if they really went to the moon.. Give me a break lol They would never risk this and for what? Unless they went but then they lost everything.. Then I could kinda see why they would not want to disappoint the public. 😅
Joe didn't do a great job. Counter-arguments, if required, should be specific and reasonable. Joe's counter-argument was often just "but what if everyone just hallucinated"?
Bart Sigel did more to convince me the moon landing was real than I thought possible. If there really was good evidence that it was fake, he shouldn’t sound so stupid and arrogant.
I mean, according to what I've researched. We went to the moon and then "lost" the technology to go back. Also, why hasn't any other first world country gone to the moon? We are not the only country with the tech and brain power to do it. I honestly have no idea if we went to the moon or if it was faked. I used to believe we went, but as I've gotten older and realized how much the government lies about things, it just has me questioning a lot of what they say happened vs what actually happened.
There is no reason to go back, every nasal mission has to have a certain return on investment, what would be the purpose? Especially considering the risk of loss of life as well as the financial cost, to do what? Get more moon rocks that are mostly made up of earths crust material.
@chrisjosekuehl you're right. Their is absolutely no strategical benefit of going back. I mean, a lunar base would from which would be to set up some type of research facility that is not beneficial AT all.
@chrisjosekuehl the benefits of going back are potentially endless. The Musks of this world fantasise about Mars, will voyage into orbit but still no moon related projects.
I completely agree, but unfortunately people who tend to believe we went are highly dogmatic and get butt hurt when you pronounce your skepticism towards the moon landing.
Here's one question guys, you see the landing capsule descend for the 1st time to the Moons surface. So that would imply that the camera crew flew to the Moon before Armstrong & Co's touchdown so they could film the historic 1st man on the Moon scene. How does NASA explain this oversight?
there is no film of the lander descending to the moon from the moon perspective. the only film of the landing is from the inside of the lander. if you have anything else please enlighten me.
B/c he panders to that crowd. Michael Moore makes dishonest movies to pander to the left wing. This guy does the same. Doesn't mean the positions are Right win, but it's throwing red meat to crowd that's a fringe part of the right wing.
Generally the left believe the moon landings and the right don’t. That’s why TH-cam heavily censor moon landing facts. It’s a left/right thing similar to climate change science.
Hmm. Not rlly. I’d offer the inverse. The mere fact that comment sections are a thing says much to the contrary. Let ideas clash and clang in a digital space? Neat. I’d also argue perhaps the wars and prevalence of tension between nuclear powers is evidence of our impending doom.
Also, NASA doesn't release photos, they release images. A photo, image, and picture are all very different. They've even openly stated they have doctored images (from images in "space", images of the Earth, etc) in order for them to appear as a more accurate representation of the scene.
It saves a lot on cost too. You can get a higher resolution picture of earth with a low orbit satellite taking many pictures and then stitching or "photoshopping" them together for orders of magnitude cheaper than the enormous cost of sending a high orbiting satellite to snap a single photo.
I feel like people are jumping Jamie, but they we’re talking about film and lighting at the time of his outburst, that’s something he is very passionate and knowledgeable about. Most of us humans aren’t figured out enough to control our emotions when you’re speaking about something they care about. Too many people take passion as hate now days
I don’t have a dog in the fight but it is strange that we don’t have the ability to do it today and that we no longer even have blueprints/information on how we did it. How could we possibly not save all that data?
Crazy how much that ‘Space Rocket’ looks exactly like an ICBM missile that can be fitted with a warhead. Easier to tell those workers they are making something beneficial for society as opposed to your building a Nuclear Bomb right after WWII.
It was a front for the actual program that was already in full effect (Solar Warden)....with technology that was superior to the crap they openly were using.
What are you talking about? They have every record/"blueprint" of how they got to the moon and have an Artemis mission to return in 2025 to the south pole of the moon. What talking points are these?
Those people who were involved with Apollo are/were some the greatest humans to ever live. Maybe except Von Braun. Cringe. It is 100000% confirmed that they accomplished the mission. There is too much complex data that proves it. STEM
Sketchiest part no one remembers…Tricky Dick Nixon called the astronauts on the phone WHILE THEY WERE ON THE MOON. The phone call was aired on National television. A PHONE CALL TO THE MOON. Faaaaaaaaack
Bart called Buzz a coward, a lier, and a thief. And wouldnt stop harassing him. Buzz let him off with a punch to the face. The court, rightly, threw out the assault charge.
Re Kubrick, the look of the Moon's surface in the film didn't look much like the actual surface, so why is so much supposed to have actually been faked by the director? Also, while still magnificent, the images of the Earth, Moon, and spaceships show some tell tale signs of being special effect matte shots, unlike the real images on film.
I remember that one strong opinions Joe has - which is a pretty good one MOST of the time - is that you should only have one guest. It eliminates talking over each other constantly which really degrades how good the podcast goes. But in this case you’re right that he needed an expert to counter the conspiracy points more effectively so people walk away from the episode more informed which is the real goal of it all.
I really like Joe Rogan's platform, he has a variety of guests and truly believes and enacts the principles of free speech, free thought and open debate. Lefist/communists can't come on his show and expect not to be challenged and neither can people on the right, everyone must be prepared to defend their arguments.
Rogan didnt debate him. It was nothing anywhere near a debate. He wants to get someone on to debate Sibrel. It was a 3 hour conversation. Rogan actually agrees with Sibrel on many of his claims.
Could barely listen to this episode. This dude is probably wrong but Joe would hardly let him talk. Like every point this guy would make Joe would just nit pick and be like "I'm just trying to steel man the other side".
the fact that the soviets - who closely monitored every aspect of the lunar missions - made no attempt to dispute their authenticity should be enough to settle this, but over half a century later here we are
You’ve clearly never heard of the United Nations have you? You know, the place where the leaders of every nation go to make plans for deceiving humanity, like making us all think they’re enemies and that they really do want to war with each other like there isn’t unbelievable amounts of money to be made from war…. Yeah that place.
We don't need the Apollo program today. They already figured it out and there's no reason to start from scratch Everytime you wanted to go back. Just follow the instructions.
11:00 ...you gotta show Danny's sweater, hallway carpet, the ball, the carpet suddenly being flipped... THAT sequence of clues is so much more that just the room number...
The moon landing conspiracy is extremely dumb on the face of it though cause if NASA never landed on the moon Russia and China would have just been like "yeah it didn't happen" instead of being forced to admit it
@@blackscreen1810 Anyone who's ever tried to keep a secret that matters knows the only safe information is known by dead people. Humans are to secrets what paper bags are to gasoline.
The landing was a stunt, not a hoax. The US is rich enough to put people on the moon rather just send.a cheap lander like the Russian did at the same time-- or was that a hoax as well.
How was the first step of the moon landing filmed from a 3rd person perspective? How was the camera filming the Apollo 17's liftoff from the moon able to zoom out and then track the motion of the ascent module so accurately (and in real time, with ZERO latency) amid all the debris and all the other motions on the scene? Why did president Nixon talk to the astronauts ON THE MOON from a CORDED telephone? 🤔Hmm...
@@AvyScottandFlower To answer your first question, a TV camera was located on the outside of the lunar module. The wide-angle lens of the camera gives the impression that the viewpoint was far away, but the camera was actually quite close to the descent ladder. One of the sides of the octagonal structure of the lunar module descent stage supported a tilt-down container known as Modular Equipment Storage Assembly or MESA which was used to store the various instruments and tools that the astronauts would use during their moonwalks. This container also supported the TV camera which was mounted on a bracket and was already connected to the power supply and to the onboard transmission equipment. Neil Armstrong pulled a cable while he was still at the top of the ladder. This cable released this container and allowed it to open by tilting downward. This automatically positioned the black-and-white TV camera.
@@AvyScottandFlower For your second question, liftoff was shot only during Apollo 15, 16 and 17, when the TV camera was installed on the Rover which at the end of the excursion was parked approximately 300 feet from the Lunar Module for the very purpose of recording the liftoff of the LM. The camera equipment was powered by the batteries of the rover and was controlled remotely by an operator on Earth through a radio link. The signal from the TV camera left on the Moon was transmitted directly to Earth through the parabolic antenna installed on the Rover, using the same method used to transmit the astronauts' moonwalks. A two-second delay made it impossible to correct the camera movements in real time so NASA had to calculate in advance a very precise placement of the TV camera and send all commands two seconds earlier in order to have the camera tilt up and follow the ascending lunar module at the right time. For the Apollo 15 liftoff, the camera did not tilt to follow the spacecraft, due to a malfunction of one of its motors. For Apollo 16, the camera operator tried to follow the ascent, but was unable to do so because the Rover had not been placed correctly by the astronauts at the exact preplanned distance required to achieve the shot. The Apollo 17 liftoff shot was achieved almost perfectly and managed to keep the spacecraft in frame as it departed.
@56fairbank Well first off, thank you for taking the time to respond in detail. I really appreciate that Even with the use of a wide lens, the angle and position of the camera doesn't look like it would correspond to it being strapped to one of the 4 landing legs or other part of the lunar module structure. As for the second question, yeah that sounds a bit more plausible, except for the tracking and zooming out PERFECTLY synchronized, with the extremely quick liftoff. I guess it would be _possible,_ but not very plausible. Btb I'm not a denier, just have some healthy skepticism. I'm actually looking forward to Elon making moon travel routine (or not being able to, too; both outcomes would be quite interesting).
No, 400K people would have no clue what they are prototyping, and 2 of the when investigated shows how what they worked on were not even involved. Money and prestige gets you a lot of companies with employees involved...sure 400K.
If it was fake, Russia would have said something about it, seeing how they were trying to get there first. Plus why would they go so many times if they were faking it? Why would they risk getting caught with extra landings that they didn't need.
If Kubrick staged the moon landing it would have needed about 185 takes
If Kubrick directed the moon landing he would’ve Insisted on filming on location
lolll underrated comment… I appreciate this 😂
Unless a Leopard is involved, then it would have only taken a few takes out of respect to the actor risking being mauled by said Leopard.
Pre-recorded homie
if you have to fool everybody it better be as perfect as you can make it.
I didnt even know Jamie could talk that much
Last time I saw Jamie speak Rogan gave him a death stare, I thought he wasn't allowed to speak.
Young Jamie fired up
@@randomsht196he has his moments
@@tylersypherd5461 what happened to Redban?
@@MavDillain Him not knowing when to STFU, and Olive Garden.
Joe is confusing the concept of a "steel man" argument with the "Man of Steel" argument, which claims that Superman flew the astronauts to the moon and back.
The straw man is still waiting for a brain
@@seskafuzen4616lmaoooo
Lol yeah pretty sure he meant Straw man
He doesn't even use the term correctly.
@@blinkybill2198no. Look up straw man. This is not what he meant.
2001 - A.i.
Clockwork Orange - Mk Ultra
The Shining - ritual abuse
Full Metal Jacket - duality of man
Eyes wide shut - the elite
Is this Jay Dyer?
It seems overall Kubrick was either trying to warn us, or show us as a karmic excuse and to build the fear just before evil people murder.
"The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it."
"Its a big club and you ain't in it."- George Carlin
Jay Dyer sp far is pretty much right about everything @@Shmevinshmerck4540
"Space maybe the final frontier, but it's made in a Hollywood basement."
californicatiooonnn
Average Trump voter
@ANTIStraussian obviously you don't know the Chili Peppers. It's a lyric and they're from CA, your Dem Mecca. Try again, but without ignorance.
Jamie pulled his balls up for this podcast.
"stfu jammie. ok now where were we..? oh yea steel men..."
Joe salivates every time he thinks about steel men
when the mask fell off
Lmao
Idk if y’all know but Jamie got an A+ in physics in college or highschool
University....
so what?
It’s an anti intellectual whine that is couched as just a joke
@@AloisWeimar Bro if anyone who isn't a physicist says " i got an A in Physics" they deserved to be ridiculed. I think the earth is a globe and I think we went to the moon. Its just so dumb to reference you physics class in college as if that makes you an authority on physics in any way. You have to see the comedy in that right?
better than most lmfao
"The Moon is a big-ass fvckin' thing." - Joe Rogan
😂
“It’s entirely possible there’s DMT on the dark side of the moon” - Joe Rogan
It really is big
so based...
no lies!
I ate like an entire pound of pumpkin seeds yesterday while watching football and now I'm struggling on the toilet tonight. Pray for me.
Bite your lip and giver hell
that must have been like sh!!!ing a chainsaw.
How you holding up bud ?
@@isaac21r oh I'm 👍 thanks for asking.
@@pointmanzero good to hear brother
"halfway to the moon the earth would look like a tiny dot" is the dumbest f thing I've heard today, and i spent hours on twitter this afternoon
God bless you bro. I was also on Twitter earlier so I feel you 🙏🏻
You can always predict within 10 seconds when joe will say ‘gulf of Tonkin’
Usually followed by "Operation Northwoods."
And goblebeteple
It says something about the US governments of those times... a false flag here and there to get what you want seemed to be the norm rather than an accidental situation
Followed by covid
@@phillipterrance4171yet he believes in every war issue the us is into now he believe in supporting ukraine and 1srael
For anyone who doesn’t know, “steel-man” isn’t just devils advocate, but specifically a “even in the best case scenario where your argument is true, here’s why it still doesn’t work”
Thanks, I’d never heard the phrase before and was wondering.
That'd not muly understanding of a steel man. A steel man would be reciting my opponents argument to the be of my ability and to show why it would be true.
The point is to show that I can understand exactly what my opponents argument is. Because why debate if you don't understand the opposing view?
@@Octavian2 the displaying of understanding in a steelman is more to illustrate why you can refute the opposing argument even in the best case scenario supporting their argument
The point isn’t showing understanding, the point is using understanding to display that even if you understand the argument perfectly, it still sucks because of all of your counter arguments
@ProjectileGrommet I suppose inevitably it's to show why you can refute the argument. But it kind of goes without saying because that's the whole point of debate..
In any event, it is useful and should be done more.
I also had never Heard the phrase before and I considered myself very well read
Put a nicotine pouch in every time Joe says steel man
I’m buzzing my head off now, thanks
Well now I'm dead.
Damnit Lex
I cant fit anymore 🤢
off to the hospital
22:03 "Shut the fuck up, Jamie and pull up that video of that bear in space!"
If you know anything about kurbrick and his personal life, he never would have worked with the US gov on anything, let alone a piece of progaganda. He fled the US and Hollywood for England for a reason. He was intensely private and hated popular politics, and all he wanted to do was stay at home, play with cats and computers, and read and write and make more films.
He made a movie about secret societies, he was probably a government asset in all likelihood, just like Rogan is
Then how could he have NASA film lenses on loan when he made BARRY LYNDON?
Guilt
@@pewp89are u sure u wanna use that brain dead logic?😂😂😂
i’m not saying i disagree but bro you don’t think the govt could force someone to do something?😂
Could go the rest of my life without hearing the term steel man
Steel men create good times…. Good times create straw men. Straw men follow the yellow brick road…
Now you're just straw manning the argument.
What about men of steel/ man of steal
@@burroughs334 tin isn't steel
@@mariobtron5907 I wasn’t making that allusion, but yes.
This guy sounds so much like Wallace Shawn I keep expecting this guy to say “inconceivable”.
My first thoughts as well!
OMG! I was scrolling through the comments to see if anyone else thought the same! The similarity is uncanny!
Lmmfao 😆 omfg 😂😂😂 im dead bro underated AF
Vizzini, the Sicilian!
“That’s what’s so funny. I switched glasses when your back was turned.”
Yeah, same guy 😂
Did Trade Center 7 just collapse because of office furniture catching on fire? LMAO
So moon hoax. Lol
176,000 pounds flying at 547-575 mph - that's a plane, have you heard of a plane?
K = 1/2 mv^2 that's a big number.
A ton of TNT is 4184000000 joules. So it's about 3/4 of a ton of TNT going off.
That's a fuck ton of explosives. Excuse the pun.
The jet fuel and other factors increase this to 100 tons apparently. I have no idea how to work that out though.
I can see why Buzz clocked him.
You're supporting the lie.
@@integrativenaturalmedicine3897No you’re supporting this tinfoil head who has been debunked 100s of times
Buzz clocked him cause he knew Bart was right and putting his life in jeopardy
Apparently its cause he called buzz a coward
@@chonk1457 he called him a liar, fake and fraud, he got the smack in the mouth for calling him an unpatrioric american and a disgrace, if you ever see this youll want to punch him too haha
Real ones remember when Rogan used to go on radio shows and debate on the side of the moon landing being a hoax 😂🍻
Yea when he questioned everything, before he became controlled opposition willingly.
@@Predictbauer yep, 100% sold out. There’s actually info on him being connected to gov intelligence agencies now as well. Mathew North did an excellent breakdown years ago, it’s pretty buried but you can find it if you look hard enough
What? A person can't have a change of perspective without being a government shill?
@@954buggy definitely worth the watch, is the 2 hour version the only one or were there any more?
@@user-rt2sm5ny5r I’m glad you enjoyed it.. there’s a lot of info in there and he does an excellent job connecting dots. Yea it’s 2 hours and change.. He used to make excellent video breakdowns about what really goes on in the world currently and through history. It’s widely speculated that he got killed because of this because many of his topics were “off-limits”
Kurbrik was such a perfectionist that they went to the moon to film the landing
Only accurate takeaway
But it would’ve f’ed up his footage 🤪
You think a rocket taking off wouldn't have moon dust everywhere? How about landing with the camera getting the perfect shot!? They had color for the visuals but pushed black n white.. how about bubbles in space? How about taking footage of that thing we're on?
Whenever PC says “Bart” I immediately think he’s talking about Bert
Yes!!
Bort?
Also, you know you're 'over the target' when TH-cam overlords have to stamp your vid with a context warning label lol
Ok flattard.
A straw man argument is when someone sets up and then disputes an assertion that is not actually being made.
A Steelman argument is simply the opposite of a strawman. It is a technique that presents the other person's case in the strongest possible form.
Jet fuel can't melt steel men
😂
Ep Stain didn t kill himself..
Of course, there was a controlled demolition. Think about it you topple two buildings and lose a couple thousand.
Or, you let them fall and potentially lose tens of thousands.
That's called The Backup Plan.
Especially when crazy terrorists go crazy.
Hate to be that guy, but plenty of buildings have rigs like this, and yes, I would push that button to save more people.
It's the train problem, to a larger scale.
Most would.
@@-Gax- I don't think anyone was steel manning your argument...
Exactly. All the government does is lie.
He sounds just like the dude from the Princess Bride…..inconceivable!
ooooh jamie dropping in with some balls for once lmao
Brogan’s handler.
Guy has longer hair than my gf is medically tarded.
He sounded like he was going to cry.
Yo, engineer and Aerospace enthusiast here. The radiation in the Van Allen belts actually isn’t as strong as some believe. The radiation is UV which is extremely harmful but easy to block, in fact the particles can’t pass through a sheet of paper. Although yes a human in this region UNPROTECTED will most certainly die but let’s remember the astronauts were incased in a command module that was 3mm of aluminum which can easily block the UV radiation from entering the spacecraft. Now that being said they did fly through the weakest portions just in case and the spacecraft was designed to withstand the worst solar flare ever recorded at the time. The radiation was taken very seriously but it ended up not being that big of a deal and astronauts were even equipped with Geiger counters.
According to chat gpt:
No, the radiation within the Van Allen belts is not ultraviolet (UV) radiation. It primarily consists of charged particles, such as electrons and protons, rather than electromagnetic waves like UV radiation. UV radiation comes from the Sun and is not typically associated with the Van Allen belts.
Me: How could astronauts be protected?
Chat gpt: Astronauts can be protected from the radiation within the Van Allen belts through various means, including shielding on spacecraft, limiting exposure time, and developing advanced materials that can absorb or deflect radiation. Additionally, spacecraft can be designed to traverse the belts quickly or to navigate through areas of lower radiation intensity.
engineer and aerospace enthusiast, ask yourself this question:
How much of the things you speak of, can you ACTUALLY prove?? (and not just reference some article written by NASA or their benefactors)
@@qna95B zero. besides repeating empty words and phrases from people he never met and never will meet.
@@qna95BAnd then follow it up by disproving anything he says, other than regurgitating tinfoils like the guy in the video. Evidence doens’t just go one way sir. 👍
Jamies only appearance on the podcast and he sounds like hes about to start crying
Joe went on to punish Jamie accordingly
By rubbing sand in his young watery eyes.
You've referred to Bert as Bart so often, that it threw me off that you genuinely were talking about a man named Bart, and not Bert Kreischer, lmao.
lol I had to keep checking myself when I was recording… it felt so wrong
You should just start calling him Burnt Chrysler like the rest of us Americans. It suits Berts career as well.
Haha I often forget that Burts name is Burt because of this channel. When people reference him in other podcasts it takes me a sec to be like “oh yea bUrt, thats bart, got it”
@@PodcastCringeSurprising considering Bert is a common name and the only person ever called Bart was in The Simpsons
Listening to this episode was tough. Bart constantly referred to his movies, books, and website. It was a 3-hour infomercial that made me think of televangelists begging for donations to buy a new private plane.
No you got it wrong just go to my website or go to chapter 13 of my book.
No man, youve got it wrong just go to my websites or chapter 13 of my book
It's mighty convenient when you can source your own material
Annie Jacobson vibes
That’s the only reason he was there. Lol
DAMN , you criticized the whole Joe Rogan show and said that you would give your opinion if you think that we landed on the moon …. AND NEVER EVEN GAVE US - your viewers , your opinion???
Generally, TJRE Podcast is NOT a ‘Debate Show’.
If Joe, like most Podcasters, host a Guest, it’s to ask smart questions and allow the Guest to share their opinions and views - it’s not debate or challenge Guests.
It’s up to the viewer to decide what they think, etc, and form their own opinions. (Obviously, Joe, like any host, are free to throw their own opinions in here & there if they want).
Now, it’s another question completely whether a Debate or challenging makes better content and/or is what some viewers want to consume - but, generally, that’s not the role of a Podcast host.
By your logic, virtually any Guest which Rogan has on - mainstream or alternative - there needs to be another person present to provide a counterpoint - that’s not a Podcast.
Jamie was about to cry 😂 probably because of all the trt Joe has him on
😂😂😂
Jamie's wilin fo respect 😂
Jamie got put on the spot to steelman and instead shit his drawers and cried
@@Popdoc21 😂
Steel man needs his own podcast...
😂
Jamie gets a little bratty lol.
Moon landing = fake as hell. This coming from a professional photographer.
💯
On the photograph argument, I have seen flat earthers go so far as to edit a shadow in NASA photos to say “See! It’s not real!”. When the REAL nasa photo doesn’t show any shadows in the wrong position at all.
I have also see flat earthers take a photo in the desert and put a red layer over the photo to say that the U.S. faked going to Mars. Because then they take their unedited photo of the desert and the flat earthers will compare their red edited photo and say “Hmmm, looks like I found the exact spot where they photographed this fake mars landscape”.
YES. They do go to that extreme of trolling.
Dude looks like a bald Jeff Garlin
"Astronauts ... to the moon. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!"
-- Beldar Conehead
Dan Aykroyd is huge in the ufo movement. He's seen em.
🤣 right, that is Dan.... interesting...Beldaaarrr🤣
heavy reply!
what would he know he is from france
@@mariobtron5907 i think both his parents were ghost hunters? or something strange like that as well. Not sure but yeah hes always had a very weird take on things. Keeps it interesting though.
Jamie’s bond is over now, he is free man. No rogan can control him now.
0:13 I don’t know if Jamie went to film school, (I personally did), but it certainly sounds like Jamie is doing exactly what I’d be doing, literally anyone with a basic understanding of film technology and camera workings, can easily debunk Barts claims, it is so frustrating when Joe almost reliably decides to protect his guests from criticism in order to defend the flow of conversation.
@@jone8626 actually a few.
Do you have any other questions? Mr moon-landing truther.
@@jordanthomas4379and he never responded:(
@@jordanthomas4379I'm pretty agnostic on the whole moon landing thing. It stays in the realm of interesting thought experiments and fun speculation for me.
I'd recommend Dave McGowans 'Wagging the moon doggy' for a well written conspiracy essay on the moon landing.
I think he does really interesting work. But again, I'm agnostic on the subject.
It's pretty evident the guy who made this video isn't in any way trying to look at this argument from an unbiased position. When he makes comments like "let's get back to his hoax argument." It's his theory argument.
That's because there is no argument to be had. One side is spewing absolute nonsense and ignoring any/all evidence that doesn't fit their narrative while the other side is utilizing empirical evidence and factual information. Like the "Flat Earth Theory," this subject is not even remotely debatable. We undeniably went to the moon and anybody arguing otherwise is either dangerously ignorant or has some sort of financial agenda (or both, like this intellectual toddler Bart, here).
Yea he's just repeating what we heard a million times already.. Dude can't come up with his own arguments and ideas. Like this stupid idea that NASA would fake photos even if they really went to the moon.. Give me a break lol They would never risk this and for what? Unless they went but then they lost everything.. Then I could kinda see why they would not want to disappoint the public. 😅
BART SIBRELL - man who advocates free speach : has EVERY comments turned OFF
Every video nasa puts out has comments turned off
He got his degree from TH-cam university
Even Hustlers University declined his application
I heard he got his PhD from the University of Reddit.
Joe "Carlos MenSteelia Man" Rogan.
Did you steal that joke?
@@cheesezee86 Honestly I hope not.
Also my actual name isn't Sir Richard Thicke, I'm not even from England.
Shoot. I probably stole the joke.
I'm a firm believer that woman in their 20s and 30s should have atleast a little public hair. Even if it's just a landing strip.
What’s hilarious Joe Rogan had actual astronauts on his podcast but didn’t have the guts to ask them if the moon landing is “fake” 🤦🏾♂️🙄
Because no one would want to look that dumb. He did ask NDT.
@@tjnucnuc what do you mean? An astronaut would look dumb answering that question?
Joe didn't do a great job. Counter-arguments, if required, should be specific and reasonable. Joe's counter-argument was often just "but what if everyone just hallucinated"?
Bart Sigel did more to convince me the moon landing was real than I thought possible. If there really was good evidence that it was fake, he shouldn’t sound so stupid and arrogant.
His grasping at straws with every question. He's a grifter and makes money off it.
Sibrel
You can tell Joe just heard the term steel man lol
Straw man??
I mean, according to what I've researched. We went to the moon and then "lost" the technology to go back. Also, why hasn't any other first world country gone to the moon? We are not the only country with the tech and brain power to do it. I honestly have no idea if we went to the moon or if it was faked. I used to believe we went, but as I've gotten older and realized how much the government lies about things, it just has me questioning a lot of what they say happened vs what actually happened.
There is no reason to go back, every nasal mission has to have a certain return on investment, what would be the purpose? Especially considering the risk of loss of life as well as the financial cost, to do what? Get more moon rocks that are mostly made up of earths crust material.
@chrisjosekuehl you're right. Their is absolutely no strategical benefit of going back. I mean, a lunar base would from which would be to set up some type of research facility that is not beneficial AT all.
@chrisjosekuehl the benefits of going back are potentially endless. The Musks of this world fantasise about Mars, will voyage into orbit but still no moon related projects.
I completely agree, but unfortunately people who tend to believe we went are highly dogmatic and get butt hurt when you pronounce your skepticism towards the moon landing.
Beneficial for what, given the gigantic cost? Seriously what?
Pseudo-scientist Chris Dunn? Are you drunk when you write these scripts?
Why don't they get a camera for jamie
Here's one question guys, you see the landing capsule descend for the 1st time to the Moons surface. So that would imply that the camera crew flew to the Moon before Armstrong & Co's touchdown so they could film the historic 1st man on the Moon scene. How does NASA explain this oversight?
there is no film of the lander descending to the moon from the moon perspective. the only film of the landing is from the inside of the lander. if you have anything else please enlighten me.
I think he means "steel person"
lol
Why do you say he’s a “right wing” Michael Moore. He doesn’t seem political really at all
Due to most right wingers being antivax and much more into conspiracy theory.
Because if you don’t conform to the agenda ..= right wing.
B/c he panders to that crowd. Michael Moore makes dishonest movies to pander to the left wing. This guy does the same. Doesn't mean the positions are Right win, but it's throwing red meat to crowd that's a fringe part of the right wing.
Because he feeds into the rhetoric of the Far Right.
@@doublestarships646 got any examples??
Pseudo podcaster making videos about other peoples content
What do u stand for who ever owns this channel
He stands for conformism
@papalegba6796he never takes a hard stance to appease as many people as possible and profit from it.
"Right wing Michael Moore" - How is he "right wing"?
Apparently right wingers = believer of all conspiracies
Yeah that was a really weird sentence.
Seems like any body who has conspiracy theory are classed as Right wing these days 😂 very lazy conception
@@yplay2 I commented the same thing before u and got my comment deleted lol
Generally the left believe the moon landings and the right don’t. That’s why TH-cam heavily censor moon landing facts. It’s a left/right thing similar to climate change science.
This comment section is a glaring example as to how fucking screwed we are as a species.
Hmm. Not rlly.
I’d offer the inverse.
The mere fact that comment sections are a thing says much to the contrary.
Let ideas clash and clang in a digital space? Neat.
I’d also argue perhaps the wars and prevalence of tension between nuclear powers is evidence of our impending doom.
Yup, so many people fall for con artists. Just tell them what they want to hear.
@@Apophis1010yeah bro, the con artists are the government 🤣
Yeah man, Bart Sibrel sounds nothing like Wallace Shawn
@@macgarnagal Who the foook is that guy? (Said in Conor McGregor voice.)
If it's so hard to imagine a conspiracy, why haven't they released the JFK files?
Exactly.
@@LancePorter88 they could murder a president but can't fake a moon landing lol I always thought it'd be a lot easier to fake than to actually do
It’s wild you people act like all of them are the same and should be treated the same. Lol
@@mr.martyr8573 I made no comparison in facts between these two matters at all. Can you explain your comment??
@@mr.martyr8573 What color is your fyyyzer tattoo?
Every time you say “Bart” I assume you’re talking about Bart Kershner lol
I know Jaimie would probably never do this but I'd LOVE to hear that he just quit, one day
The guy is making bank.
Wow. Great to see Rogan has learned a new term, "steelmanning". He really is a prick.
Also, NASA doesn't release photos, they release images. A photo, image, and picture are all very different. They've even openly stated they have doctored images (from images in "space", images of the Earth, etc) in order for them to appear as a more accurate representation of the scene.
It saves a lot on cost too. You can get a higher resolution picture of earth with a low orbit satellite taking many pictures and then stitching or "photoshopping" them together for orders of magnitude cheaper than the enormous cost of sending a high orbiting satellite to snap a single photo.
Rob Simmons- “it is photoshopped, but it, it’s has to be”
I’m watching this podcast rn and you just uploaded this. What a coincidence, boutta watch this instead now
Jamie was scolded heavily for this.
This is how I know if im watching an episode. 1) go to the description 2)if it says the guest is a stand up comedian 3) I dont watch it
This is how most do it, look at the TH-cam views, obscure guests like this guy get 1 million +
And random comedians barely crack 500k
No one wants to listen about how important it is to get on stage for the millionth time
I feel like people are jumping Jamie, but they we’re talking about film and lighting at the time of his outburst, that’s something he is very passionate and knowledgeable about. Most of us humans aren’t figured out enough to control our emotions when you’re speaking about something they care about. Too many people take passion as hate now days
Toe learned a new phrase! “Steel man” 🤖 🤣🤣🤣🥋🥔
You can always tell when someone learns a new word because they try to use it as often as they can lol
Some would say the steeliest
JRE is the podcast equivalent of The Walking Dead, started strong, got better, and then kept going on for seasons after it should have been ended.
Bingo! Now lets, you and I, watch the rest of the world take another decade to realize what we already see.
The last year has been the worst. Only last few weeks it's got better
"as a photographer, as a filmmaker" Okay bro...
Jamie gets way emotional
Conragts for chanell, finaly short version of podcasts
Why did they say the camera was flat against the window when it was not.
Because it was a hoax
They didn’t say it was flat against the window. They said it covered the window.
@@SuperCraig00 exactly, they said something it was not
@@gamestech9016 no, covered as in you cover this side I’ll cover that side. Tom will cover the window.
I don’t have a dog in the fight but it is strange that we don’t have the ability to do it today and that we no longer even have blueprints/information on how we did it. How could we possibly not save all that data?
Crazy how much that ‘Space Rocket’ looks exactly like an ICBM missile that can be fitted with a warhead. Easier to tell those workers they are making something beneficial for society as opposed to your building a Nuclear Bomb right after WWII.
It was a front for the actual program that was already in full effect (Solar Warden)....with technology that was superior to the crap they openly were using.
What are you talking about? They have every record/"blueprint" of how they got to the moon and have an Artemis mission to return in 2025 to the south pole of the moon. What talking points are these?
We have the ability, but why do we want more moon rocks nothing on the moon valuable enough to ho back for.
WTF are you talking about? The Saturn V rocket was 6 times longer and in diameter than a typical icbm rocket. They look nothing alike.
Those people who were involved with Apollo are/were some the greatest humans to ever live. Maybe except Von Braun. Cringe. It is 100000% confirmed that they accomplished the mission. There is too much complex data that proves it. STEM
Right!!! Operation Paperclip
Sketchiest part no one remembers…Tricky Dick Nixon called the astronauts on the phone WHILE THEY WERE ON THE MOON. The phone call was aired on National television. A PHONE CALL TO THE MOON. Faaaaaaaaack
What’s the complex data?
Edgar Mitchell dropped mega hints... it goes deeper than you can imagine
Bart called Buzz a coward, a lier, and a thief. And wouldnt stop harassing him. Buzz let him off with a punch to the face. The court, rightly, threw out the assault charge.
Re Kubrick, the look of the Moon's surface in the film didn't look much like the actual surface, so why is so much supposed to have actually been faked by the director? Also, while still magnificent, the images of the Earth, Moon, and spaceships show some tell tale signs of being special effect matte shots, unlike the real images on film.
I remember that one strong opinions Joe has - which is a pretty good one MOST of the time - is that you should only have one guest. It eliminates talking over each other constantly which really degrades how good the podcast goes. But in this case you’re right that he needed an expert to counter the conspiracy points more effectively so people walk away from the episode more informed which is the real goal of it all.
He needs to have some sort of mediator and format to keep things in line when it's a group debate type situation.
Is that really his goal?
He literally asked the guy to come back for a debate episode with an expert on the other side of the issue, so it wouldn't just be Rogan pushing back.
This guys argument is essentially the definition of “trust me bro”
Yeah....the government always tells us the truth! Now make sure to get your flu shot bro.
@@RoofDoctorsJoanne Gov. lies, so Moon hoax.
Logic!
This guy meaning Joe Rogan? The Moon landing is fake dude
If you think we went to the moon, you perhaps shouldnt be able to vote.
I really like Joe Rogan's platform, he has a variety of guests and truly believes and enacts the principles of free speech, free thought and open debate. Lefist/communists can't come on his show and expect not to be challenged and neither can people on the right, everyone must be prepared to defend their arguments.
Rogan didnt debate him. It was nothing anywhere near a debate. He wants to get someone on to debate Sibrel. It was a 3 hour conversation. Rogan actually agrees with Sibrel on many of his claims.
Could barely listen to this episode. This dude is probably wrong but Joe would hardly let him talk. Like every point this guy would make Joe would just nit pick and be like "I'm just trying to steel man the other side".
the fact that the soviets - who closely monitored every aspect of the lunar missions - made no attempt to dispute their authenticity should be enough to settle this, but over half a century later here we are
They are in on the hoax bro.
@@macmac9371 nice try
You’ve clearly never heard of the United Nations have you? You know, the place where the leaders of every nation go to make plans for deceiving humanity, like making us all think they’re enemies and that they really do want to war with each other like there isn’t unbelievable amounts of money to be made from war…. Yeah that place.
One thing that really annoyed me is that they didnt talk about the current Artemis program.
We don't need the Apollo program today. They already figured it out and there's no reason to start from scratch Everytime you wanted to go back. Just follow the instructions.
11:00 ...you gotta show Danny's sweater, hallway carpet, the ball, the carpet suddenly being flipped... THAT sequence of clues is so much more that just the room number...
Rogan: the government lies about everything...EVERYTHING. Except the moon landings
Lol. LMAO even
The moon landing conspiracy is extremely dumb on the face of it though cause if NASA never landed on the moon Russia and China would have just been like "yeah it didn't happen" instead of being forced to admit it
@@blackscreen1810 Anyone who's ever tried to keep a secret that matters knows the only safe information is known by dead people. Humans are to secrets what paper bags are to gasoline.
The landing was a stunt, not a hoax. The US is rich enough to put people on the moon rather just send.a cheap lander like the Russian did at the same time-- or was that a hoax as well.
How was the first step of the moon landing filmed from a 3rd person perspective? How was the camera filming the Apollo 17's liftoff from the moon able to zoom out and then track the motion of the ascent module so accurately (and in real time, with ZERO latency) amid all the debris and all the other motions on the scene? Why did president Nixon talk to the astronauts ON THE MOON from a CORDED telephone? 🤔Hmm...
Really? You just wanting someone else to do simple research for you?
@56fairbank Ah come on
My point being, the official statements I've read and the explanations have not been satisfactory.
@@AvyScottandFlower To answer your first question, a TV camera was located on the outside of the lunar module. The wide-angle lens of the camera gives the impression that the viewpoint was far away, but the camera was actually quite close to the descent ladder.
One of the sides of the octagonal structure of the lunar module descent stage supported a tilt-down container known as Modular Equipment Storage Assembly or MESA which was used to store the various instruments and tools that the astronauts would use during their moonwalks. This container also supported the TV camera which was mounted on a bracket and was already connected to the power supply and to the onboard transmission equipment. Neil Armstrong pulled a cable while he was still at the top of the ladder. This cable released this container and allowed it to open by tilting downward. This automatically positioned the black-and-white TV camera.
@@AvyScottandFlower For your second question, liftoff was shot only during Apollo 15, 16 and 17, when the TV camera was installed on the Rover which at the end of the excursion was parked approximately 300 feet from the Lunar Module for the very purpose of recording the liftoff of the LM.
The camera equipment was powered by the batteries of the rover and was controlled remotely by an operator on Earth through a radio link. The signal from the TV camera left on the Moon was transmitted directly to Earth through the parabolic antenna installed on the Rover, using the same method used to transmit the astronauts' moonwalks. A two-second delay made it impossible to correct the camera movements in real time so NASA had to calculate in advance a very precise placement of the TV camera and send all commands two seconds earlier in order to have the camera tilt up and follow the ascending lunar module at the right time. For the Apollo 15 liftoff, the camera did not tilt to follow the spacecraft, due to a malfunction of one of its motors. For Apollo 16, the camera operator tried to follow the ascent, but was unable to do so because the Rover had not been placed correctly by the astronauts at the exact preplanned distance required to achieve the shot.
The Apollo 17 liftoff shot was achieved almost perfectly and managed to keep the spacecraft in frame as it departed.
@56fairbank Well first off, thank you for taking the time to respond in detail. I really appreciate that
Even with the use of a wide lens, the angle and position of the camera doesn't look like it would correspond to it being strapped to one of the 4 landing legs or other part of the lunar module structure. As for the second question, yeah that sounds a bit more plausible, except for the tracking and zooming out PERFECTLY synchronized, with the extremely quick liftoff. I guess it would be _possible,_ but not very plausible.
Btb I'm not a denier, just have some healthy skepticism. I'm actually looking forward to Elon making moon travel routine (or not being able to, too; both outcomes would be quite interesting).
“i don’t know if you’ve heard of kubrick”
Under 30s likely haven't!
No, 400K people would have no clue what they are prototyping, and 2 of the when investigated shows how what they worked on were not even involved. Money and prestige gets you a lot of companies with employees involved...sure 400K.
Jamie was getting whiny because he thought they should be respecting him as a "camera expert" and "film maker" 😆🤦♂️
So we've been scammed since day 1
If it was fake, Russia would have said something about it, seeing how they were trying to get there first. Plus why would they go so many times if they were faking it? Why would they risk getting caught with extra landings that they didn't need.
Not to mention plan that failed 13 mission
This is exactly what I would expect someone who thinks we faked the moon landing would sound like.
Joe Rogan need to have buzz aldrin on
Don't be so open minded your brain falls out.
I know an astronomer named Dint Flibble who would be perfect for a debate with this guy. He wears a really cool outfit with a jaunty cap as well.