didn't think it'd need to be said, but i'm not comparing rainfurrest and mcfc directly, i'm using rainfurrest as an example of a con where kinks and such had contributed to the con turning into a dumpster fire. while not direct causes, you can't deny the stray diapers and d.i.y. gloryholes attendees made contributed to rainfurrest's inability to secure a venue (among much, much worse).
And in a side note that behavior was expaned to other Hotels and Convention Centers. Where no one would even dare house a Furry Con due to the aftermath of Rainfurrest's. It wasn't one or two things it was a cluster compiled of several or more problematic sitautions and dealings that occured within rainfurrests. The Damages, the flooding, the excessive "public displays" of certain "Things"
@@Bluemule2090 honestly I tag block stuff on Twitter and I quietly unfollow people if they case problems. Most of the people I meet and who commission me aren’t bad people, so I feel it would be unjust to abandon them over crummy people. They’re everywhere sadly, don’t let that stop doing what you love! ❤️
paused at 1:30 to comment her i my self am an abdl /baby fur but even i know not to be a dip shit in public and ruine peoples days with ichy crap all over the place .. IF i wore a diaper at a con i wouldnt use it as a that wouldnt be cool to subject others around you to that awful smell b it is i think disrespectful and inconsiderate and c people dont want to have to cleane up after you.. clean up your own dam mess people that said i know there are a small but prominent bunch of badd apples that breing the negative spot light on the rest of the community as a whole witch is unfortunate
I remember VERY vividly being extremely ashamed of the little drunk accident I had at a furcon after having a bit too much Stolichnaya. I got myself a mop and a bucket, and before that made sure to clean as much as possible with a bunch of paper towels and double bagged everything. I left that bathroom SPOTLESS since I felt like it was the only thing I could do in the situation, I felt awful. How in the world someone feels comfortable leaving a huge "mess" in an open, eventually inhabited area, I have no idea. I would feel so damn bad and disgusting.
Hey, all your body did was reject waste it didn’t like, it was out of your control, and it happens to lots of people, both furry and non-furry. These people in the vid, on the other hand/paw/hoof/wing, should be ashamed of things they knew was wrong, but did it in public anyways. They had control over not exposing their fetishes, you had *no* control over a stomach issue caused by drinking. Theres a clear difference in that.
I had a similar incident where I drank too much, myself. I went back to a room party and apparently there was this guy encouraging for me to drink more? I kinda don't remember much, so I'll take the word of the party-goers. I slunked off to the bathroom at one point and vomited - partially around the toilet, but luckily I managed to mostly get sick inside of it. Anyways, I passed out and the hosts got worried after sometime and noticed the guy was gone too. It was no secret that I very much prefer women/NB people, which this guy wasn't. Aparently, he was on top of me and I was passed out. I remember waking up to con security asking me questions to make sure I wasn't drugged. At some point I turned over, noticed I made a mess, and began to try and clean it up. I remember the guy being silent for a second before saying, "...Ah- honey, you don't need to do that. Please lay back down, it's okay." It took the hosts of the room to concur for me to rest. I found them the next day after being sent to hospital & returning, to pick up my stuff they just-so-happened to drop off, at lost and found. I was basically in tears apologizing; a combination of embarrassment & shame, really. I felt really fucking bad. They gave me a hug and joked they were also 21 once, which made me feel a tad bit better. But I was so scared that I was "THAT" con goer, for the longest time. Hell, I mostly gave up drinking because of my fear of being too much or causing issues. This video reassures me, but damn I can't believe how some people behave in public. I ain't one to kinkshame, believe me - but smearing shit and pissing in your pampers in the dealer's den goes WAY beyond kinkshaming. That shit is public-decency shaming.
Back in 2019 , my mother wanted to join the community & I even got her a fursuit. She calls herself MommaSammich since she's my ACTUAL mother & its a silly name. Only problem is that on several occasions I've had people just out right acuse me of being a Babyfur because "Oh so you have a 'mom' " and I have to explain to people that , no , I'm not in that part of the fanbase this is litterally my mother. It kind of makes me uncomfortable that people just immediatley think of kink stuff when it comes to a family member of mine, especially ONE OF MY PARENTS. While I don't have a problem with some babyfurs (I infact have a few friends who are in that community but they don't do any disturbing stuff ) , I was an attendee at MCFC2022 and while I had not seen the BS that had gone down (mainly because I stayed in another hotel and not the main one) it still made me and my mother angry that people would destroy public property in a gross way.
That would be agere, specifically agere furries. It's a community for people who have experienced trauma and weren't given the childhood they needed to regress back to that mindspace. A lot of the art is what you're describing. It's still always good to be careful around that stuff though, since DDLG weirdos still try to prey on children and non consenting adults in the agere community. We just can't have nice things sadly...
After 4 years of being in the fandom, I stopped calling myself a furry because of how many people defaulted to assuming I screw animals when I told them I was a furry.
That seems to be a common misconception, and it also seems people dont like their preconceived notions of people challenged. Trying to explain to people that furries arnt animal fuckers will just land you being spammed with anecdotes and being called an animal fucker yourself.
This is Waaaay to relatable, I feel this happens to many more people. Its very frustrating to be assumed that you screw animals *just* for being in a community, If the fandom keeps getting worse then I might- just, be leaving with you.
me spending 5 years as "closeted" furry who don't even associate with fandom even have furry friends, i'm just gonna say being a furry is how we enjoy ourself. no matter what people said, don't let them control you/let you down because of your interest/indifferences. i likely joke to people who thinks like that idc if people call furries that nor they are being serious, it never gets old People might hate furries cuz they are special, or they are jealous also i don't call myself a furry till someone assumed me as part of it
I myself age regress for fun (in a non-kink, non-sexual way and to cope with trauma) but would NEVER dare call myself a babyfur because of how the word is associated with degeneracy and indecency. I always get put on edge whenever someone calls themself a babyfur because I can't tell whether they mean they do it for innocent fun or for kink.
I think the biggest issue that not furries have with furries is that their private aspects are flaunted in public. The fandom needs to police itself more.
I agree with you, this fandom full of people like to put private aspects to public. I don't want know what xxx you wear, what xxxx you do. I don't care and it so gross.
As a furry in the fandom since 1989, I can but say "everything old is new again." I watched a very similar war between the Squares and the Kinksters take place at ConFURence 4 in 1993 that ended up getting the convention's contract with the hotel terminated. The year before that, in 1992, there was a ticklefight that turned into a straight out sex orgy in the hotel lobby and THAT got CF kicked out of THAT hotel. CF 8, some years later, had MORE multtiple instances of public nudity and sexcapades in the public areas. To make all this even WORSE, it was treated as a gay swinger's con right from the outset, so there were always a number of nonfurry gay men looking for side action in addition to all the furs. The worst back then weren't the babyfurs, but the BDSMers that insisted on taking their dom/sub play and bondage gear straight out to the hotel lobby. At least they didn't stink - much. All this eventually led to the formation of Further Confision, the first furry con to actually institute a straight out code of conduct and actively kicking out and banning people that insisted on taking their kinks public. Other furry conventions, like Albany Anthrocon and Midwest Furfest, also used strict codes of conduct, and ConFURence disappeared into obscurity and ceased to exist by the early 2000s. For a while, the rapidly multiplying furcons remembered the lessons of ConFURence and enforced those codes of conduct. But eventually, history was forgotten, and Rainfurrest happened... Now you know the rest of the story.
I guess the lesson here is that cons in general must always have a somewhat strict code of conduct furry or otherwise. The amount of people who will do what they want when they think there won’t be consequences is unfortunate.
I think there needs to be a separation between people who are actually age regressors just trying to cope and the kinksters if I'll be perfectly honest. Like full-on give the SFW regressors their own term, like "babyfluff" or "tinyfur" or something.
Problem is, the moment that any sort of consensus is reached on something like that, the bad apples will just jump onto the new term and claim it for themselves
@@pokeninjafireemblem then gatekeep to hell and back. Set a stricter criteria of what is and isn't okay. As someone who has been in the regression community for quite some time, we often shun those who take advantage of what we do.
i’m not an age regressor but i am someone with a lot of childhood trauma and holy shit, having your coping mechanism sexualized seems. awful. my heart goes out to y’all because that is inexcusable
@@ARACHNIDPARTY Had some dumbass tell me to "Just go get therapy, stop using a fetish to cope" and proceed to wonder why nobody wants to talk with him. 'S dumb. Everyone should have their own way to deal with stress.
Gonna say that everyone's different, sometimes it's a 2-way street with a few of the people I know; however I can agree that there should be a way to kind of have a way to say "I don't want to participate in nsfw things, just deal with stress and/or anxiety" without a sentence.
But on a serious topic it doesn't help that being a furry is become so much more mainstream now, and at a rapid pace too (I somehwhat believe popufurs are also a driving force in this, with their influence to a younger audience)... I think as a whole fandom we don't have defining boundaries or morals on what is right or wrong, and we don't condemned those that do commit wrong shit at cons.. cuz it's literally all blurred out and oversaturated as you say and we kinda become desensitized to it I suppose
Most fandoms don't have defining boundaries anyway. Part of the problem I think is a fear about having to be the person to report incident X as it's happening. Some people don't want to admit being the person who saw it happen, so the people who did it then get bolder and bolder, and they either know they're not going to get ratted (pardon to any rats out there), or worse, they just don't care. They're even less likely to be reported if they have major influence, or worse, are a guest. Part of the whole reason why the fandom is becoming more acceptably mainstream is likely down to the same reason any of the other fandoms are. It's getting more and more acceptable to be a geek. So more people are willing to be open about what they're into. The growth of open stupidity from people in power (especially on social media - e.g. Trump, Musk, Bezos, Johnson) doesn't help things either.
@@K0sm1cKid It's not just them, it's overly zealous influencial people in general. I just named the most well known. And yes, of course *they* would influence the Furry fandom, because they influence everybody. The fandom isn't safe just because we happen to be not what people consider 'normal'.
As someone who works as a room attendant in a small hotel, I'd be absolutely horrified if this happened lol, I feel so bad for whoever had to clean up their mess :(
Everyone is talking about babyfurs, can we please talk about how these people actually thought it was okay to actually shit and smear it all over the place in hotel rooms? How the hell do you have the mental compacity to even do that? Like I'm sorry, not all furries are like this so this isn't the entirety of furries. But I can't believe that these people went out of their way to do this, THESE specific people who done the action, like you're fucking up the community even more and not only so? How did you manage to think THIS was okay? Like I'm shocked rn and I feel so bad for the janitors/house keepers who has to clean that mess, it's not even gross- that's just flat out inhumane and trifling. Out of pocket even.
It's not limited to furries. People by large are little shits that will do shit for giggles. It's why you always see stories about pee stains and shit smears in public bathrooms and the like.
@@lostgarbage4055 To be somewhat fair, they are hardly the only group to have trashed a hotel when the booze gets flowing. They just did a more spectacular job of it than most achieve. Also they are great attention-grabbers that will get more widely reported than your run-of-the-mill drunken party, because people love to hear about weird sex things.
me and my mom are going to a furcon literally next month, and i've managed to convince her that furries aren't all sex crazed maniacs. she thought that way when i introduced her to it 6 or so years ago, and i don't blame her. but.. i'm getting nervous about this con :( if we go and shit like this happens there, it'll probably ruin the work i've done. fingers crossed that everyone has their heads on straight this con.
Within rapid succession of acceptance of non-traditional, "family values," in the US -- I.E: queer folk, racial diversity, non-christian values, odd hobbies, sex positivity, etc -- it was sort of expected for some to behave, in this way. Furries, wether we want to admit it or not, are becoming an almost mainstream hobby. More-over, with sex-positivity movements, many quote-on-quote normies even take strides to learn about all sides of the fandom; many of which being cool with what consenting adults do, in their private time or in private events CATERED to said adult activities. In the kink community, there is this phenomenon akin to mania in-which one might become obsessed with doing something, once they have access to it, find out about it, or find others wishing to engage in said-actvity. Like a hyperfixation, of sorts. Now, kink can be healthy and beneficial to adults. But just like I wouldn't break out celery sticks during the middle of a finals exam- you DO NOT engage in kink, within non-kink oriented venues. ESPECIALLY events held within the public perspective. It's just considerate. It's not being prude -- not even bringing up children, there are sex-repulsed asexuals, people with certain traumas triggered by specific stimuli (gear, smells, behavior, looks, scenery, etc), people who DID NOT CONSENT to be within your 'scene.' Consent is extremely fucking important. Did you ask several hundred people if it was cool if you could shit in your hand & throw it at a wall, without cleaning up? Did they agree to it? Cause I highly fucking doubt it. Not even just the furry community, but this puts a black eye on the kink community, as well. Cause the exact people looking for this behavior are the ones that use it as an example of general degeneracy. I get wanting to be yourself, and it hurts to say it cause I grew up with people saying "keep it to yourself" in terms of my sexuality & gender, growing up. But... sex is different from who we love and how we want to be seen. Kink is ESPECIALLY different. Consent is very important and we need to take into account that people in the public likely do not want to see a scene in public, on the way to the office. Maybe when they get home, but hey, who am I to say? We can't assume that just because we aren't boinking each other in the ass, that it's "safe" for the public. Granted, wearing stuff under clothes is one thing and I doubt people will care. Just don't walk around lofting of piss & shit.
Very much this. The thing is many people come to conventions to have a good time, many others go there to conduct business. Some people even come with their kids. It's great you're really super into your kink/fetish whatever and maybe you have other people with like-minded interests. But is it really SO necessary to broadcast wearing diapers in public? Or walking around with soiled diapers because it turns you on and just- everybody has to be aware of that and smell it?? I just find this so grossly over the top and it just sours the entire atmosphere.
Well said, especially the part about being considerate, people need to understand that others may be literally hurt by the things they do, and that consent, constant consent, needs to be given from ALL parties involved. That includes bystanders.
@@blacksesamecandies this is why staff members need to throw out and ban people like this. These rotten apples ruin the whole expserience for everyone.
@@U.R.coolkid We are an incredibly inclusive community and that is great. We don't kinkshame (except for zoos & peedoughs) and that's great! But we also need to be inclusive to those who AREN'T interest in kink - or even just sex, in general. After dark meetups are perfectly fine & dandy; if you ask me, room parties are even better. It's considerate to those who don't want to see it. What kinksters need to remember is that just cause someone doesn't want to see it, DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE AGAINST IT. They could be a minor, on the ace spectrum, have trauma triggered via imagery, or even just a bit more reserved; Nothing wrong with that, of course. I know I sound like a broke record, but I felt like it needed to be mentioned that a lot of people probably are fine with private sexlife stuff, but just aren't comfortable seeing it in a safe space that is a convention.
So I took sick one time I was in a hotel, shitting so much and I called the hotel table in tears out of shire embarrassment and did my best to clean the bed where I made a mistake and when the cleaner came to help do the rest she brought me a box of tablets that help make you not a poop cannon and a few bottles of water and when I was crying because she was so sweet she said “things happen and we’re glad you told us” so when hearing people do this on PURPOSE and leave staff to be unknowingly stumbling upon it, I’d throw hands with anyone who is that disrespectful
As someone not in the furry community, it seems to me that a lot of people in said community either feel the need to force all inclusivity due most likely to having been discriminated against in their past, or abuse the concept of inclusivity to force others to tolerate their degeneracy
You are correct. I am striving to have a stainless image as a furry in public (in public online spaces like TH-cam comment sections, in Discord servers, e621 comment sections when I feel like I have the need to visit that site and in real life). Although I was called many things in the past for no reason whatsoever, I still enjoy being a furry and I'm trying to be a force of change in the community to get rid of degeneracy in this interest group (ousting pedos and zoos from the community, keeping 18+ content away from kids and incentivising people to keep harmless, yet generally weird fetishes to the company of the four walls they live and sleep in, like ABDL, BDSM, inflation, macro-micro, scat, watersports, etc.), while also encouraging a healthy sense of sexuality for those who are sexually into anthros. (I was mainly called a hypocritical zoophile by a group of violent, hateful anti-furries when I was posting yiff of human-animal hybrids in a Discord server in my private time and saying I'm against zoophiles; if anyone is interested in the full story, you could DM me on Discord.)
@@commentarysheep I am getting similar asumptions for that in Discord too. Can relate, but the more time I spend in communities the more people get used to me
keep cons fetish free *and any sfw area for that matter* (hotel room is fine but like keep it private) children might attend and bystanders did not consent to seeing this consent matters also don't be a walking biohazard please... also yeah diaper and baby furs kinda sketch me out and I avoid tf outta that
Yeah, better seperate everything from each other, real fast. Like, keep NSFW art trading away from the SFW booths, keep sexual things in the hotel room and better not destroy hotel equipment in the process. MAAAAAAAAYBE "After Eight" programs for the NSFW stuff to flourish when strict enforcement of the rules is present.
I think once it's late enough in the evening there should be set spaces for people who want to engage in kinks with other like-minded consenting furries. Or maybe just an event that is entirely seperate for adults only.
Oh god... I learn to stay away from babyfurs as far away as I can. I don't even want to think about it or open the vault for that. I had some growing up to do and I'm happy with it. When stuff like this happens at hotels and public bathrooms, it is very disturbing and humanity is questionable at best.
I get baby degens interacting with my work a lot cause I draw cute stuff. Make me want to vomit. Petition to put them on an island far away from humanity lol
@@BlooftubeBloof The Sentinelese would welcome them in open arms and make arts and crafts from them or they would flee from them in terror. Either way babyfurs can cause a lot of problems with humanity. I don't want think about what would happen if they were near my neighbor's kid across the street.
Unfortunately we live in an age of too much encouragement. Stuff like this happening more and more is a result of trying to catch all "accept" by means of letting everything and anything be public. Which i refuse. Some things should be private and people need to learn to conduct themselves, doing so is not "tying you down" its keeping you from making other people uncomfortable (and in some cases, keep from being abused).
being proud of your kink is one thing but showing it off to the world and public is just unacceptable. Consent is very important when it comes to anything kink-related. Flaunting your kink in public without the consent of people (and CHILDREN) is just disgusting. when will people realize that if it is sex related, turns you on, or anything of the sort, DONT SHOW IT OFF IN PUBLIC
Well from someone that is an agere and a furry (but not a baby fur) it’s sad to see these people give furries and ageres a bad name.. Agere and what they do is two different things imo. Agere isn’t supposed to be a kink, it’s supposed to be a form of therapy. Even therapists support this.. but it’s never meant to be a sexual space. It’s meant to cope with things like trauma rather it be mental, physical, or seggual. I hate when people that have a kink for it bring it into a coping space.. and especially publicly.
There’s even a name for such things in the agere community called impure thoughts where it’s actually very harmful for us to be in a sexual state of mind as we regress. It’s highly looked down upon to force this ideology onto others as well.. if they want to have a kink being a baby sure fine, is it disgusting? Yes. But can they not bring it into public spaces? Also yes.. they’re public image really puts a bad taste in my mouth though when they force it upon others
necroing this thcomment but thats so hateful of you , some people have sexual trauma and their healing usualy has sexual component , the whole "coping cant be sexual" is just gatekeeping the people who need more than you , agere is super biggoted
MCFC was going to be my first furry convention, but I managed to schedule a very important appointment that I had been on a waitlist for eight months to get, so I skipped. I’m SUPER emetophobic (fear of vomit) and it sounds like that appointment was a blessing. One of my friends went and told me I wouldn’t have lasted two hours with how much sickness there was EVERYWHERE.
Honestly it kind of irks me how these bad-actors are ruining conventions in general for the community. Because they have to party so hard or do disgusting things and cause property damage. There are tons of rule-abiding attendees that save up all year and just want to go have a fun time to socialize. There is also several that depend heavily on conventions to conduct their business and make money. Like myself, I only ever attend conventions as a dealer, our business is in making entertainment. So it's upsetting to know some people who just can't keep it in their pants are ruining these cons for everyone. I guess they are just too selfish or are so horribly unaware how much of a ripple effect that has on the community at large.
They also ruin the general public perception of furries. When I say I am furry most tend to jump towards me being a denerate. Thankfully in most Discords I have been after a while most get used to me and start seing me more as a normal person.
Cool…I am a Babyfur too I dislike these people who actually have the mindset to go out public like this I would never dance in public I ain’t that confident
@@jonleibow3604 Wow I never clued into that. Explains why there was some strange stuff at that con. It's a shame since it seemed like a fun con apart from some of that stuff.
ive been to 2 conventions so far and ive seen mostly all of those panels that involve that being 18+. Thats a bit concerning that they didnt make it 18+
As a babyfur and someone with incontinence, I don't condone the behavior of those babyfurs who required the letter being written. It just makes things harder for those of us with medical issues.
This may sounds weird, but i really like your personality and use of common sense and moral values; There's that kindness inside every smart opinion that is just so comforting. I'm sensitive btw-
The kind person is critical of things because they want them to change for the better. The evil person "loves" everything and everyone as is, even literally crime babyfur is.
Talking about wearing kinky attire in public... I love how, in germany, it's legal for people to barely wear anything, in shorts, full on harness, dog mask (the obvious kinky type) because of "personal unfolding/developement" ... but wearing a fursuit is illegal unless you're on your way to a convention- lol
I'm pretty scared of babyfurs, I was nearly touched suggestively by one at a con who wanted to "crinkle my diaper". I was 16 at the time... this was my first con and im already scarred.
Babyfurs all have signs 18- on their bio - meaning they are only interested in people under 18. Babyfur is just another word for MAP, minor attracted person.
This is why I dislike the babyfur/ABDL community, probably because I'm a janitor, I find it disgusting and creepy, and it wouldn't surprise me if they have Peter Pan Syndrome and/or are permanently stunted at the mental age of four years old. And seriously, keep your kinks in private or you're demonstrating that you should not be within 500 feet of a playground, school, church or other place of religious worship, daycare, youth/recreational center. I'm only a furry when I'm online, (plus Kevon could/should be arrested for voyeurism) but I do not consider myself part of the fandom, would *NEVER* allow any NSFW art of my character(s) or whatever, IRL I'm just a human, and I'm not sure if I'd ever attend a furry convention/meet.
Believe me, I've seen people on the ABDL community that share their wet (or even messy) diapers on twitter and people reply with things like "what a cute wet diaper". Made me realize that they probably anosmic cuz I can't understand how they would handle that smell for a long time.
I couldn't have put my sentiments more succinctly! When it comes to fetishes and kink in general, there's definitely a time and place for indulging in such things, like in the privacy of a hotel room with a consenting party, or there are even events where such things are more readily accepted. Even still, those events usually have similar ground rules that try to keep things civil for everyone involved. It's not that I hate ABDL in general, as I've personally indulged in diaper play within the privacy of my home before, it's specifically the mentality behind the "bad apples" that just irks me. It would be easy to say they're just delusional and too wrapped up in their fantasy to take the time to consider what other people would think. That may make up a portion of those bad apples, but a more nefarious take on this mentality is that they're so sick of behaving as an adult in society that they deliberately choose to roleplay as a child as an excuse to justifying acting out bad behavior in their minds. A very pathological form of escapism that needs to be addressed if that's the case. I.E. "Oh, a baby can act up whenever they want and people seem to be more tolerant when it happens." No, an actual child isn't mentally developed enough to know better, and learns through parental guidance how to behave. As an adult, we're all expected to know better and behave accordingly in public. Whether roleplaying as a baby or not, they're still accountable for acting in ways that causes friction with public interactions. Most people would just tell them to "grow up" while being caught in the act, but they'd become irate at someone telling them such. They don't want to "grow up", because that means they have to take accountability for their behavior again.
A part if me wonders if flaunting their fetishes in public is a humiliation fetish thing? Like, they don't just have an ABDL and/or age play fetish, and/or any other fetishes, they also have a humiliation fetish and that's why they go out in public and flaunt their fetishes. (I'm not kink shaming here, btw. I just wonder if it's a part of it or not.)
10:40 imma be real with you chief, I honestly think that furries are too welcoming for these sorts of 'coping'. This stuff is so borderline fucked tbh & causes everyone else in the fandom to get blamed.
OH MY GOD I AGREE. As a furry, the community is way too accepting to things that borderline on CP/CSEM and stuff like that. It's really gross, I wish it wasn't so normalized within the fandom.
I really wish i didn't have to share space with any babyfur's. I swear if i go to a con and have to deal with crinklers first chance i get I'll get them banned. The less these degenerates show off their weird diaper fetish thinking its okay to in public the better off everyone is.
@@AwesomeTaco691 It means "Child sexual exploitative material" and it's the "more correct" term for CP. Some people hate when you call it CP and would rather you call it CSEM but imo "CSEM" feels like it diminishes the severity of the content being produced
I was at MCFC 2022. I didn't see anything disgusting but seriously, I thought we were better than this. Con staff need to crack down on those responsible for all that property damage and ban them from future cons. Hotels talk to each other and when no one is willing to host, that's how a con collapses. Though I say it's way too soon to compare MCFC to Rainfurrest.
I was there as well. I heard about the puking, but the hotel staff were in control of serving alcohol is what I was told. The biggest concern that con was someone's wheels being stolen rather than this letter that was sent out. Didn't hear about any of this until the letter hit.
@@DDRMixer same. I thought everything was going just fine until I saw the letter. You’d figure they’d bring up any concerns during the closing ceremony
I have lots of babyfur friends and they all hate that some bad actors are making this all even more stigmatized. Anyone who has changed a real baby's diaper in a public bathroom knows you don't leave it on someone's car, or on a counter, or just laying around. If we could all add that part of the social contract to the role play that'd be great.
I regress due to trauma, I’m a furry, my fursona also regresses and I have plenty of art of my sona as a baby. I would NEVER go to con wearing a diaper, I would NEVER leave a huge mess for the poor staff to clean up. Im so sad that my innocent coping mechanism that I use due to my ptsd gets mixed in with all these fetish creeps. I posted baby art of my sona once and never again will I be doing that. Do what ever you want behind closed doors but stop forcing everyone else’s to deal with it in public space’s especially ones with children! It’s beyond triggering to be sexualized when I’m in the headspace of an infant and it makes regressors like me feel alone and scared! I am so sorry to everyone who has had these negative experiences with these sickos ❤
You see, this is why I'm an anti-furry. I know there are people like you, who do not sexualise your interests, but them there is also a concerning number who do so. Imma be honest, until I watched this video, I didn't even know babyfurs were a thing. Now, it is up for debate whether the sexuallisation of animals, anthropomorphic or not, has been a part of the furry fandom from the start or became a thing later, but it is undeniable that it is very widespread nowadays. It is also undeniable that the concept of fluffy, brightly coloured anthropomorphic animals is appealing to children, whether it is intended to or not. Unfortunately, this means that children can and will take interest in and try to join the furry fandom, especially online. Once again, I am not saying that all furries or babyfurs are zoophiles or pedophiles, but a larger proportion of them must be than there is in any other facet of society that I'm aware of. It is only natural, people in general tend to start sexualising things they are exposed to for a certain amount of time. Studies have shown that people do find themselves attracted to people that are closer to them (girl-next-door type person). Sailors that used to spend months at sea without the touch of a woman became gay despite being as straight as a ruler before for that very reason. It is only natural for people to start fetishizing their hobbies and the people/characters who partake in or are featured in said hobby. And if that hobby involve dressing up and imagining yourself as animals, sometimes childlike ones, I'm sure you can see where the problem with fetishizing that arises, especially in a fandom that is outwardly appealing to children and mainly based online. This opens up terrifyingly perfect online space where all sorts of bad things can be both done to people and normalised, leading to an increased likelihood of bad things being done to others (namely kids). I think this, along with the things mentioned in this video and the numerous firsthand confirmations of the perversion the fandom is home to and encourages is reason enough for me to do my utmost to discredit and try to speed up the disappearance of this fandom as much as possible. I understand that you will probably disagree with me there, but I'd be genuinely interested in your opinion on this. That goes out to anyone who's read this far. What do you think?
@@Sagryl being anti furry doesn’t really make sense to me, because even though there are people like this I’m the fandom they are a tiny minority. And people who harm children and animals are actually kicked out of the community and hated.
As a babyfur myself I’d never bring anything out in public, do a con, or anything like that. That’s just disgusting. My PTSD has also influenced this side of me, and as much as I want to kick it out, it’s not going away. I wish the babyfur (and general furry) community was more strict about not bringing fetishes or kinks into public. The reputation is already bad because of this, and these careless people just make it worse.
@@akiraserval kink are fine as long as each party is consenting, but once you bring that into a public space you are forcing it onto non consenting parties. I wish people would understand that.
I went to MCFC and I can say that none of my friends and I saw the diapers in the public bathrooms so I have to commend the staff for being so quick to fix these problems. I hope they not only charged these people but banned them as well.
I thought I was messy leaving unfolded towels on bathroom floor in the hotel room, even said sorry to the house keeping lady and left her a $20 on the desk. Maybe she was being so nice because I was a normal and not leaving my room in a total mess. Just because they have a cleaning job does not mean you should make their life hell. As for the rest I agree keep it to the room during the day.
I just hope that stuff like this doesn’t destroy the reputation of the fandom again, more and more fetishes of people are being shown to the public, it’s sad to see that people are comfortable enough to do this
@@therealdealishere as a furry myself I’m usually a peace loving, super gay, kink is cool type person. But I’m gonna be honest if someone is wearing a soiled diaper in public and asking others to change it I actually turn into the most conservative human on earth
There was someone at a local anime con who was wearing one of those puppy hood things and was asked by a con staff to take it off for obvious reasons. He then proceeded to write an angry post on the con’s Facebook group acting like there was nothing wrong with what he was doing and playing the victim.
I'm 15, and a furry I don't plan on going to conventions at all rn but when I do id probably take some friends in the near future Best to not go alone in those areas
*BabyFurs:* >Show their wrinkly asses to everyone, poop on the floor, scream like banshees in the jungle, baby-talk despite being 30+ years old *BabyFurs:* Why do people think we're gross. We're just lil babies with mental problems. Q-Q *Normal People:* 🤮
Fellow babyfur here. I just wish there was some way to remind people to not bring kinks and fetishes into public, especially around children. There will always be bad people in any group.
I'm going to say something kinda controversial. But i absolutely hate the ageplay community as a whole. It makes people who use age regression look like freaks, id have to say moreso than how people precive furries at this point
This shouldn’t be controversial. Too many of them try to lump themselves in with the age regression community and even mislabel their kink as agere, and that is incredibly harmful for a community full of minors, especially minors who have been traumatized and are trying to heal. It’s even worse since their “community” is founded on sexualizing children and romanticizing child abuse. They harm themselves and everyone they force into seeing their kinks.
As an artist who hopes to eventually sell artwork at a convention, I won’t lie I’m a bit afraid of dealing with bad actors- i know conventions are inherently a bit crazy, but if things get worse I may just reconsider that idea altogether- at the very least if I go I won’t go alone, and I’ll be with my boyfriend who can stand up for me.
fetishizing babys in any way is disgusting. I dont mind strictly SFW babyfurs but the dirty diapers and sexual stuff is honestly,, very disturbing and I hope those people get help. I have babyfur/age regression characters and if anyone sexualized them I'd vomit.
Honestly, reminds me of the whole ordeal of pup play gear on con floor. I don't think any fetish gear should be around during the all ages portion of the con. Like, fuck. FE 2018 I saw 3 pup players go to the public pool area of the hotel and sit in the hot tub with a ton of families around
I think for me it’s about the extent to which it’s being sexualized, I wear like leggings and stuff and big punk boots around which are definitely part of some of my kinks, sometimes I’ll wear really short skirts and stuff as well, all of these stuff is sexual and might be considered weird but it’s something so objectionable it makes people cringe too hard. I feel the same towards a lot of pup play stuff, if people are just wearing it yeah cool whatever but if they start barking at children then I become an authoritarian and they should be put in prison instantly.
baby furs who wear stuff that clearly fetishize the diaper in the outfit, such as a no pants + tutu combo, and do it outside of adult spaces are going to be the cause of so many rules that bar me entry from some cons due to my being incontinent and having to wear diapers for medical reasons. It's especially bad because I have heavy incon so I end up having to buy the fetish grade stuff to keep my pants safe, so it becomes much harder to keep people from noticing. It's already annoying enough to have no choice in wearing them, but dealing with people asking questions is more annoying, and with the baby fur stigma becoming more and more acknowledged and these few bad apples making such scenes, I'm only going to have to deal with this BS even more. Nothing wrong with being a diaperfur/babyfur at all, I fall into the category as a coping mechanism for dealing with my incontinence and autism, but if you're gonna do this stuff out in public when it isn't appropriate, just realize you're hurting incontinent people who might be less okay with talking about their issue than I might be and probably not even close to the community.
I’m sure you’re aware of this but wearing a pair of skin coloured shorts over a diaper helps hide it tremendously, especially if you want to wear a skirt or show off your legs in your cosplay outfit. (From another incon cosplayer who also wears the “fetish” diapers for maximum security)
@@lostgarbage4055 somehow being incontinent means my opinion doesn't matter because I was accepted into a community of people you don't like due to, again, a MEDICAL DISABILITY. you can take your ableist ass and go commit lego step. you sure are living up to the garbage half of your name, you should try living up to the first half of it now.
Ayyyy I'm earlyishhh!! I wouldn't consider myself a furry, as Im not into it nor have any desire to be one or be with one, so obviously I'm not interested in going to any furcons, but the furry drama and stuff like that is super entertaining from an outsiders perspective (': but I really admire furries like you and coyote lovely, and know majority of furries aren't like this or zoophiles, but that it is still an alarming amount and even other furries seem to understand and know this, they seem to hate zoophiles the most
When furry friends ask me why I never went to any convention despite being popufur and being in fandom for 17 years: rainforest solidified my choice permanently
As someone who regularly gives AD babyfur panels at cons and knows more background info on some of this than most... some of this is fair in that there have been some recent incidents of individuals crossing lines at cons; however, there are a couple important things that are inaccurate/misframed: 1. Repeated references are made to Rainfurrest 2015, which take for granted that babyfur incidents were causal to its cancelling. This was the conclusion that Twitter jumped to immediately contemporaneously, but in actuality the things that lost them the hotel were mostly related to drug use incidents (multiple ambulance calls, literally thousands of nitrous cartridges found in a room) and an incident where a hotel room was flooded to the point of damaging rooms and equipment below. This is to say, what actually got RF cancelled was property damage and liability concerns, which, frankly, makes a lot more sense than the knee-jerk social media narrative. RF in general had understaffed con security compared to other cons, gained a reputation over the years as a wild party con, and that wild party culture eventually killed the con. 2. Wolfbird - My understanding this was a con GOH that was apparently chosen years earlier on the chaotic backdrop of the pandemic when there was uncertainty about when cons would even restart. When they were announced at FE 2022, it was quickly found that they’d been explicitly posting anti-babyfur posts in 2021, their Twitter profile directly equated the community with pedos, and they were proactively using a very broad babyfur blocklist (their stance was very unambiguous). My understanding is that when thereafter approached about all this, they weren’t willing to reconsider that point of view. Look, babyfurs are approximately 1/10 of the community, and disproportionately beyond that prevalence participate in con staffs. It is an untenable situation for a con to have a GOH who publicly insists a sizable minority slice of the community including a bunch of con staff are “pedos”, which is an extremely loaded term implying predatory and illegal-to-the-point-of-being-one-of-the-worst-crimes-that-exists exploitation of minors. No, we’re consenting adults with a kink, and we’ve been dealing with this as the go-to reflexive slur against our community for as long as there’s been a community. Furry is a safe-haven for sex-positivity, LGBT, and kink broadly; all of this has a shared loaded history of being falsely accused of being predators and ostracized. Any other furry subgroup would be similarly incensed to be called such today. This framing, I hope, makes clearer the our perspective and why this was such a red line for us.
Babyfur detected. Opinion invalidated. Fur con staff notified. Local police department notified. Work notified. Nobody is going to read your book on how cheese pizza is not a reason to put somebody into jail.
As a babyfur, I think it's completely fucked up when others go into public wearing their attire. Especially when children are present. Imagine being a parent having to explain that. Not only that, but it makes the furry community, and the convention as a whole look bad. It's sorta the same reason why I hate seeing those pup masks in public. It's all fetish gear. There's a time and place for everything, and on the con floor, or anywhere where children are present, is not one of them.
6:34 You know it’s bad when you say the same thing twice. His mind didn’t even know how to continue for a sec lol. In all seriousness though, while I’m not into the baby fur stuff myself, but I don’t judge. So as long as it’s between two consenting adults. I just don’t get the sexual aspect of baby furs. Like how does that work? Even though two baby furs are essentially two consenting adults committing to roleplaying and acting like infants together… wouldn’t that also mean you’ll have to roleplay being UNABLE to consent? Since underaged children can’t comprehend sex and anything related, it would only make since that you won’t be able to take part in it right? Going even further, being as young as a baby, their minds aren’t even fully developed yet to even have such activities register to them. Unless I’m missing something here. Baby fur stuff isn’t my biggest field of knowledge, but please correct me if I made a mistake. I just find that part very odd and confusing. Also like Lagovirt said, no one is trying to kinkshame you, but it becomes a problem when you flaunt that stuff in the eyes of the public. Like it’s fine to be a baby fur, but be mindful and respectful with it. Use common sense. There’s a time and a place. I don’t just say this about baby furs either, but universally speaking. You like BDSM? That’s cool, but I feel like no one should have to tell you to not walk around the plex wearing a latex skintight body suit with restraining gear and a mouth gape strapped on you during public displays. Obviously it’s not everyone who go to conversations thankfully, but those specific people know who they are.
Babyfur is sometimes used as a catchall for furry ABDLs. AB = Adult Baby, people who like to roleplay as babies/toddlers. DLs = Diaper Lover, people who have a specific fetish for diapers as an object. The thing is, because of how both of these "fetishes" play into one another and tend to arise from the same psychological source, most ABDLs are both ABs and DLs to some degree, it works like a spectrum. Sexual interaction between two babyfurs will often revolve more around the DL side of the spectrum which tends to be more inherently sexual in and of itself, however, some degree of bleed in from the AB side is still common. Another thing that may make it easier to comprehend is understanding that not every age-playing babyfur is undergoing full immersion all of the time, regression is rarely a rigid experience. Plenty of us actually prefer to seamlessly mix parts of adult headspace and "little" headspace together, either because we want to take aspects of both that we like and leave those that we don't, or because it can just be tiresome to do full immersion for too long, or even because it's just nice to be able to bond with friends or a significant other as, you know, an adult. Might sound strange from the outside, but it makes perfect sense to our weird little brains. Typically, babyfurs who involve babyfur roleplay in their sexual interaction are just engaging in partial immersion. Typically anything to do with diapers or power dynamics (An AB with a DL as a caretaker is a very common relationship), will be part of what they borrow from the "little" category, as well as paraphernalia like clothing and pacifiers in some cases, but typically the rest of what's going on in their head is borrowing squarely from the adult category. For the most part, it's just two adults engaging in either normal or diaper-related sexual play while mixing in some ABDL flare for flavor and self-expression. After all, if you can't be yourself in the bedroom, where can you be?
Us as adults can’t actually just… not be able to consent. It’s roleplay, or at very most a head space similar to sub space. We can’t have the actual minds of babies even if we wanted to.
A lot of the sexual nature of it is part of the diaper aspect as opposed to the baby aspect. Sometimes baby themes will be used but it’s not about actually being attracted to babies of children, it’s more of a humiliation thing.
I agree with this video as well as the well-thought out comments section. I would consider myself a sex repulsed asexual. Anything sex related makes me unbearably uncomfortable. I can’t even stand seeing kissing, whether it’s in a kids movie or not. So safe to say, the PDA problems and showing off kink is very much in a “I’m not consenting to this” way for me. I’m not a furry, but I feel like furcons and pride events have the same problem. There isn’t enough enforcement on when it’s appropriate to have kinks being shown. I don’t want to see someone wearing a diaper just like I don’t want to see someone walking around in only a jockstrap. I applaud the convention for letting the babyfur know (even though they knew and did it anyway). I think making it clear what times are for kink, or even having specific days for it, would be really beneficial because both sides of the kink debate could have a bit of their way. Any person found actively going against rules should be disallowed from participating in the event further. But that’s just me. This can be seen as a very nuanced issue, so there really can’t be a fully fledged answer to who’s right and what to do.
I'd consider myself kind of a furry. I'm only recently starting to accept that I have some crushes on non human men. Like Puro and 'on a technicality' The Killer Folk
I don't understand why people with a diaper fetish have to announce that they are going to a convention for furries. I mean, that is completely weird and doesn't do anyone favors.
Babyfur kinks/fetishes have always felt disturbing and wrong to me, mainly because of the types of people mentioned in the video who have horrendous manners, as well as how the kink kinda dips its toes into p***phile territory. You do you I guess, but please stay away from me *HOWEVER,* nonsexualized or innocent babyfurs are completely fine, I can understand wanting to be a small and wholesome little bean who still has their sense of childlike wonder
Babyfurs have always just kinda weirded me out. I've come to realize that they're not all p3d0s, but when they engage in erotic behaviors as babyfurs... it just really unsettles me. I find that gross. If you keep it 100% unsexual, then that's fine. Just leave me out of it, and don't make it sexual, for the love of everything. As for the doodoo feces, come on, guys. You're not making it any easier on the fandom. These people trust you and all of us as a community to utilize their hotel, and you just ruin that trust. This is actually why we can't have nice things. No wonder it's becoming harder to host fur meets anywhere. I will admit to being into scat, but that's taking it too far. Way too far. I don't do irl scat. But if I did, I wouldn't deface property and ruin a hotel room with it. It should be done in your own home. Don't make it other people's problems.
I was at FE 2018 and 2019 and accidentally ended up at the babyfur section (I promise it was an accident) They hid it in the corner down some obscure hallway but the fact it was even open where children (actual children, mind you) could access it unfettered? yeah theres a reason I stopped going
Dude i don’t care what you do in your house as long it doesn’t hurt anyone, and if you wanna have your little costume conventions go for it. But.. doing this.. in public- literally.. what. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. Maybe both.
Wait, I though this was gonna be those common dramas that happen sometime years ago but being brought up again. This is relevant now 2022 this year. Wtf-
I'm already autisitc, queer, disabled and not cis. So society already hates my guts, why not pile one more thing on top? Oh right I'm openly polyam too. So, yeah furry, that's small beans.
went to my first furcon recently and there was a babyfur wandering around with a dummy in his fursuits mouth - ok, wierd but idrc, but then I looked down at his paws which were clearly supposed to be white but were grey and matted. I then found him on twitter, saw his character was supposed to be a 3 year old, and he entered a sex toy giveaway on the same account. so yeah
honestly the sole reason imo for the controversy over ddlg/abdl/baby and age regression stuff is the deep trauma associated and BE HONEST ITS ON EVERYONES PART. so just keep it out of public eyes, its pretty simple.
Generally, I would consider myself pretty kink-positive. But there’s a time and a place, and out in public is not it. Bystanders cannot consent to be part of your scene.
I don't think it's fair to call babyfur a fetish because that inheritely has a sexual meaning and it really is theraputic for some people. Can't deny there's a shit ton of people using it as a fetish but it's not something that is 100% sexual. That being said, I don't think it should be in public just because it's not sexual. If you're using it as a way to process trauma, that still isn't something that's either needed or safe to bring out in public.
Babyfurs are not even remotely close to pedos. To better understand a Babyfur you need to understand what an ABDL is. Just like there are furs that make the furry community look bad there are Babyfurs that make the Babyfur community look bad
For those who don't understand, the reason walking around in fetish gear is not okay is because it's forcing other people to be part of something erotic they don't want to be part of. Why should everyone else have to partake in your fetish, which, yes, that's what watching it is? These people are selfish.
Part of me understands age regression therapy but I think if it dips into sexuality/kinks then I think it gets complicated. Like insinuating you are underage is not a good thing in a sexual environment. Idk what the arguments are against this but that is my idea. At the very least keep it in private like other sexual subjects.
Okay I can get wanting to share your hobbies with others but the sheer lack of self awareness or concern some folks have when it comes to this sort of thing is just depressing.
"Have we just given up the mindset of making the furry fandom look like average, normal people with an odd hobby and not sex, kink obsessed freaks?" My thoughts exactly. What's worse is that these people refuse to go away any time soon. I miss when saying "proud to be a furry" was an act of defiance and not an admission of guilt
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didn't think it'd need to be said, but i'm not comparing rainfurrest and mcfc directly, i'm using rainfurrest as an example of a con where kinks and such had contributed to the con turning into a dumpster fire.
while not direct causes, you can't deny the stray diapers and d.i.y. gloryholes attendees made contributed to rainfurrest's inability to secure a venue (among much, much worse).
And in a side note that behavior was expaned to other Hotels and Convention Centers. Where no one would even dare house a Furry Con due to the aftermath of Rainfurrest's.
It wasn't one or two things it was a cluster compiled of several or more problematic sitautions and dealings that occured within rainfurrests.
The Damages, the flooding, the excessive "public displays" of certain "Things"
I'm so close to leaving the fandom and making my fursona human
@@Bluemule2090 honestly I tag block stuff on Twitter and I quietly unfollow people if they case problems. Most of the people I meet and who commission me aren’t bad people, so I feel it would be unjust to abandon them over crummy people. They’re everywhere sadly, don’t let that stop doing what you love! ❤️
I'm sorry you had to learn that. Their is cursed knowledge.
paused at 1:30 to comment her i my self am an abdl /baby fur but even i know not to be a dip shit in public and ruine peoples days with ichy crap all over the place .. IF i wore a diaper at a con i wouldnt use it as a that wouldnt be cool to subject others around you to that awful smell b it is i think disrespectful and inconsiderate and c people dont want to have to cleane up after you.. clean up your own dam mess people that said i know there are a small but prominent bunch of badd apples that breing the negative spot light on the rest of the community as a whole witch is unfortunate
Today I learned that babyfur doesn't mean new members to the furry fandom.
Lol, nope. Those are called "youngfurs." Better to find out this way than through conversation though, right?
Me to now I feel dumb
Fuck I wish I could be that innocent
Oh you sweet summer child.
I thought that too when i first heard it, and was so confused why people hated newer members lol
Well.. i guess i know now =_=
I remember VERY vividly being extremely ashamed of the little drunk accident I had at a furcon after having a bit too much Stolichnaya. I got myself a mop and a bucket, and before that made sure to clean as much as possible with a bunch of paper towels and double bagged everything. I left that bathroom SPOTLESS since I felt like it was the only thing I could do in the situation, I felt awful.
How in the world someone feels comfortable leaving a huge "mess" in an open, eventually inhabited area, I have no idea. I would feel so damn bad and disgusting.
Hey, all your body did was reject waste it didn’t like, it was out of your control, and it happens to lots of people, both furry and non-furry.
These people in the vid, on the other hand/paw/hoof/wing, should be ashamed of things they knew was wrong, but did it in public anyways.
They had control over not exposing their fetishes, you had *no* control over a stomach issue caused by drinking. Theres a clear difference in that.
Alcohol does that to all kinds im afraid
Well that just means you are one of the good ones. Good on you man 👍
I had a similar incident where I drank too much, myself. I went back to a room party and apparently there was this guy encouraging for me to drink more? I kinda don't remember much, so I'll take the word of the party-goers. I slunked off to the bathroom at one point and vomited - partially around the toilet, but luckily I managed to mostly get sick inside of it.
Anyways, I passed out and the hosts got worried after sometime and noticed the guy was gone too. It was no secret that I very much prefer women/NB people, which this guy wasn't. Aparently, he was on top of me and I was passed out. I remember waking up to con security asking me questions to make sure I wasn't drugged. At some point I turned over, noticed I made a mess, and began to try and clean it up. I remember the guy being silent for a second before saying, "...Ah- honey, you don't need to do that. Please lay back down, it's okay." It took the hosts of the room to concur for me to rest.
I found them the next day after being sent to hospital & returning, to pick up my stuff they just-so-happened to drop off, at lost and found. I was basically in tears apologizing; a combination of embarrassment & shame, really. I felt really fucking bad. They gave me a hug and joked they were also 21 once, which made me feel a tad bit better. But I was so scared that I was "THAT" con goer, for the longest time. Hell, I mostly gave up drinking because of my fear of being too much or causing issues.
This video reassures me, but damn I can't believe how some people behave in public. I ain't one to kinkshame, believe me - but smearing shit and pissing in your pampers in the dealer's den goes WAY beyond kinkshaming. That shit is public-decency shaming.
@@arthurmorgan2861 I agree once drunk a bottle of jack Daniel and puked like a fire hose
Back in 2019 , my mother wanted to join the community & I even got her a fursuit. She calls herself MommaSammich since she's my ACTUAL mother & its a silly name.
Only problem is that on several occasions I've had people just out right acuse me of being a Babyfur because "Oh so you have a 'mom' " and I have to explain to people that , no , I'm not in that part of the fanbase this is litterally my mother. It kind of makes me uncomfortable that people just immediatley think of kink stuff when it comes to a family member of mine, especially ONE OF MY PARENTS.
While I don't have a problem with some babyfurs (I infact have a few friends who are in that community but they don't do any disturbing stuff ) , I was an attendee at MCFC2022 and while I had not seen the BS that had gone down (mainly because I stayed in another hotel and not the main one) it still made me and my mother angry that people would destroy public property in a gross way.
Just wanted to comment her nickname is so cute 😆💖 and i noticed your name is smol sammich, very cute
I wish I had your mom, all props to her!
awh thats so wholesome tho 🥺
mom reveal
Agree. Bad behaviour people just destroy everything
I miss when I thought babyfur was just pictures of puppies wearing footie pajamas and playing with blocks.
the more you know
A more peaceful time
That would be agere, specifically agere furries. It's a community for people who have experienced trauma and weren't given the childhood they needed to regress back to that mindspace. A lot of the art is what you're describing. It's still always good to be careful around that stuff though, since DDLG weirdos still try to prey on children and non consenting adults in the agere community. We just can't have nice things sadly...
I miss when I didn't know that was the meaning of that term
@@lambybunny7173 those people's art is so cute and wholesome i hate how its mixed up in sexual fetish stuff, it should be kept very clearly separate
After 4 years of being in the fandom, I stopped calling myself a furry because of how many people defaulted to assuming I screw animals when I told them I was a furry.
That seems to be a common misconception, and it also seems people dont like their preconceived notions of people challenged. Trying to explain to people that furries arnt animal fuckers will just land you being spammed with anecdotes and being called an animal fucker yourself.
I do not blame you, i feel quite the same mostly how degenerate the fandom became
This is Waaaay to relatable, I feel this happens to many more people. Its very frustrating to be assumed that you screw animals *just* for being in a community, If the fandom keeps getting worse then I might- just, be leaving with you.
I straight up left because all the drama and weird shit made me miserable.
me spending 5 years as "closeted" furry who don't even associate with fandom even have furry friends, i'm just gonna say being a furry is how we enjoy ourself. no matter what people said, don't let them control you/let you down because of your interest/indifferences. i likely joke to people who thinks like that idc if people call furries that nor they are being serious, it never gets old
People might hate furries cuz they are special, or they are jealous
also i don't call myself a furry till someone assumed me as part of it
I myself age regress for fun (in a non-kink, non-sexual way and to cope with trauma) but would NEVER dare call myself a babyfur because of how the word is associated with degeneracy and indecency. I always get put on edge whenever someone calls themself a babyfur because I can't tell whether they mean they do it for innocent fun or for kink.
tbh same, ive also age regressed to cope with past trauma
Used as a cope mechanism here too!
Us Age regressors made an term "AgereFur" to separate from abdl community
youre a pedo
I think the biggest issue that not furries have with furries is that their private aspects are flaunted in public. The fandom needs to police itself more.
I agree with you, this fandom full of people like to put private aspects to public. I don't want know what xxx you wear, what xxxx you do. I don't care and it so gross.
As a furry in the fandom since 1989, I can but say "everything old is new again." I watched a very similar war between the Squares and the Kinksters take place at ConFURence 4 in 1993 that ended up getting the convention's contract with the hotel terminated. The year before that, in 1992, there was a ticklefight that turned into a straight out sex orgy in the hotel lobby and THAT got CF kicked out of THAT hotel. CF 8, some years later, had MORE multtiple instances of public nudity and sexcapades in the public areas. To make all this even WORSE, it was treated as a gay swinger's con right from the outset, so there were always a number of nonfurry gay men looking for side action in addition to all the furs. The worst back then weren't the babyfurs, but the BDSMers that insisted on taking their dom/sub play and bondage gear straight out to the hotel lobby. At least they didn't stink - much.
All this eventually led to the formation of Further Confision, the first furry con to actually institute a straight out code of conduct and actively kicking out and banning people that insisted on taking their kinks public. Other furry conventions, like Albany Anthrocon and Midwest Furfest, also used strict codes of conduct, and ConFURence disappeared into obscurity and ceased to exist by the early 2000s. For a while, the rapidly multiplying furcons remembered the lessons of ConFURence and enforced those codes of conduct. But eventually, history was forgotten, and Rainfurrest happened...
Now you know the rest of the story.
We're you born in the 70s/60s? Just asking
@@thesteven2army1971. 1989 was the first year I actually was on the Internet, and quickly began to find other furries over USENET.
I guess the lesson here is that cons in general must always have a somewhat strict code of conduct furry or otherwise. The amount of people who will do what they want when they think there won’t be consequences is unfortunate.
Treat a hotel room like your home. Would you throw shit on your own walls? Respect the house!
... the probably do throw ecal matter on their own walls.
Agree. I think they are mentally broken at this point.
they prolly would 😭
Unfortunately some of them do treat their home like that. Take a look a Pamperchu, he literally has a massive collection of dirty diapers.
@@BAKU2K2 when their standard is lower than decency. They are really need to go mental health for that.
I think there needs to be a separation between people who are actually age regressors just trying to cope and the kinksters if I'll be perfectly honest.
Like full-on give the SFW regressors their own term, like "babyfluff" or "tinyfur" or something.
Problem is, the moment that any sort of consensus is reached on something like that, the bad apples will just jump onto the new term and claim it for themselves
@@pokeninjafireemblem then gatekeep to hell and back. Set a stricter criteria of what is and isn't okay. As someone who has been in the regression community for quite some time, we often shun those who take advantage of what we do.
i’m not an age regressor but i am someone with a lot of childhood trauma and holy shit, having your coping mechanism sexualized seems. awful. my heart goes out to y’all because that is inexcusable
@@ARACHNIDPARTY Had some dumbass tell me to "Just go get therapy, stop using a fetish to cope"
and proceed to wonder why nobody wants to talk with him.
'S dumb. Everyone should have their own way to deal with stress.
Gonna say that everyone's different, sometimes it's a 2-way street with a few of the people I know; however I can agree that there should be a way to kind of have a way to say "I don't want to participate in nsfw things, just deal with stress and/or anxiety" without a sentence.
But on a serious topic it doesn't help that being a furry is become so much more mainstream now, and at a rapid pace too (I somehwhat believe popufurs are also a driving force in this, with their influence to a younger audience)... I think as a whole fandom we don't have defining boundaries or morals on what is right or wrong, and we don't condemned those that do commit wrong shit at cons.. cuz it's literally all blurred out and oversaturated as you say and we kinda become desensitized to it I suppose
Most fandoms don't have defining boundaries anyway. Part of the problem I think is a fear about having to be the person to report incident X as it's happening. Some people don't want to admit being the person who saw it happen, so the people who did it then get bolder and bolder, and they either know they're not going to get ratted (pardon to any rats out there), or worse, they just don't care. They're even less likely to be reported if they have major influence, or worse, are a guest.
Part of the whole reason why the fandom is becoming more acceptably mainstream is likely down to the same reason any of the other fandoms are. It's getting more and more acceptable to be a geek. So more people are willing to be open about what they're into. The growth of open stupidity from people in power (especially on social media - e.g. Trump, Musk, Bezos, Johnson) doesn't help things either.
@@Tazer_Silverscar Basically the bystander effect and worry over being ostracized by their new in-group
@@Tazer_Silverscar Trump, Musk, Bezos, and Johnson contribute to some furries acting like degenerates? Hmmmmm 🤔
@@K0sm1cKid It's not just them, it's overly zealous influencial people in general. I just named the most well known. And yes, of course *they* would influence the Furry fandom, because they influence everybody. The fandom isn't safe just because we happen to be not what people consider 'normal'.
As someone who works as a room attendant in a small hotel, I'd be absolutely horrified if this happened lol, I feel so bad for whoever had to clean up their mess :(
Yeah, it must’ve been very gross to clean up, or even look at.
Everyone is talking about babyfurs, can we please talk about how these people actually thought it was okay to actually shit and smear it all over the place in hotel rooms?
How the hell do you have the mental compacity to even do that? Like I'm sorry, not all furries are like this so this isn't the entirety of furries.
But I can't believe that these people went out of their way to do this, THESE specific people who done the action, like you're fucking up the community even more and not only so? How did you manage to think THIS was okay? Like I'm shocked rn and I feel so bad for the janitors/house keepers who has to clean that mess, it's not even gross- that's just flat out inhumane and trifling. Out of pocket even.
It's not limited to furries. People by large are little shits that will do shit for giggles. It's why you always see stories about pee stains and shit smears in public bathrooms and the like.
Agree. They just fuckin broken at the time to get a decent standard about this.
Alcohol. That is your answer.
Babyfurs literally did that. ALso babyfurs are illegal and can be put in jail over it.
@@lostgarbage4055 To be somewhat fair, they are hardly the only group to have trashed a hotel when the booze gets flowing. They just did a more spectacular job of it than most achieve. Also they are great attention-grabbers that will get more widely reported than your run-of-the-mill drunken party, because people love to hear about weird sex things.
me and my mom are going to a furcon literally next month, and i've managed to convince her that furries aren't all sex crazed maniacs. she thought that way when i introduced her to it 6 or so years ago, and i don't blame her. but.. i'm getting nervous about this con :( if we go and shit like this happens there, it'll probably ruin the work i've done. fingers crossed that everyone has their heads on straight this con.
Frick
Wishing you luck dude
I’ll be coming back to this comment next month to see what happens.
Well as long as you are going to a con maned wolfy isn't starting his shit at then maybe it'll be fine.
good luck, dude!!
Within rapid succession of acceptance of non-traditional, "family values," in the US -- I.E: queer folk, racial diversity, non-christian values, odd hobbies, sex positivity, etc -- it was sort of expected for some to behave, in this way. Furries, wether we want to admit it or not, are becoming an almost mainstream hobby. More-over, with sex-positivity movements, many quote-on-quote normies even take strides to learn about all sides of the fandom; many of which being cool with what consenting adults do, in their private time or in private events CATERED to said adult activities.
In the kink community, there is this phenomenon akin to mania in-which one might become obsessed with doing something, once they have access to it, find out about it, or find others wishing to engage in said-actvity. Like a hyperfixation, of sorts. Now, kink can be healthy and beneficial to adults. But just like I wouldn't break out celery sticks during the middle of a finals exam- you DO NOT engage in kink, within non-kink oriented venues. ESPECIALLY events held within the public perspective. It's just considerate. It's not being prude -- not even bringing up children, there are sex-repulsed asexuals, people with certain traumas triggered by specific stimuli (gear, smells, behavior, looks, scenery, etc), people who DID NOT CONSENT to be within your 'scene.'
Consent is extremely fucking important. Did you ask several hundred people if it was cool if you could shit in your hand & throw it at a wall, without cleaning up? Did they agree to it? Cause I highly fucking doubt it. Not even just the furry community, but this puts a black eye on the kink community, as well. Cause the exact people looking for this behavior are the ones that use it as an example of general degeneracy.
I get wanting to be yourself, and it hurts to say it cause I grew up with people saying "keep it to yourself" in terms of my sexuality & gender, growing up. But... sex is different from who we love and how we want to be seen. Kink is ESPECIALLY different. Consent is very important and we need to take into account that people in the public likely do not want to see a scene in public, on the way to the office. Maybe when they get home, but hey, who am I to say? We can't assume that just because we aren't boinking each other in the ass, that it's "safe" for the public. Granted, wearing stuff under clothes is one thing and I doubt people will care. Just don't walk around lofting of piss & shit.
Very much this. The thing is many people come to conventions to have a good time, many others go there to conduct business. Some people even come with their kids. It's great you're really super into your kink/fetish whatever and maybe you have other people with like-minded interests. But is it really SO necessary to broadcast wearing diapers in public? Or walking around with soiled diapers because it turns you on and just- everybody has to be aware of that and smell it?? I just find this so grossly over the top and it just sours the entire atmosphere.
Agreed
Well said, especially the part about being considerate, people need to understand that others may be literally hurt by the things they do, and that consent, constant consent, needs to be given from ALL parties involved. That includes bystanders.
@@blacksesamecandies this is why staff members need to throw out and ban people like this. These rotten apples ruin the whole expserience for everyone.
@@U.R.coolkid We are an incredibly inclusive community and that is great. We don't kinkshame (except for zoos & peedoughs) and that's great! But we also need to be inclusive to those who AREN'T interest in kink - or even just sex, in general. After dark meetups are perfectly fine & dandy; if you ask me, room parties are even better. It's considerate to those who don't want to see it.
What kinksters need to remember is that just cause someone doesn't want to see it, DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE AGAINST IT. They could be a minor, on the ace spectrum, have trauma triggered via imagery, or even just a bit more reserved; Nothing wrong with that, of course. I know I sound like a broke record, but I felt like it needed to be mentioned that a lot of people probably are fine with private sexlife stuff, but just aren't comfortable seeing it in a safe space that is a convention.
prof oak's words echoed: "There's a time and place for everything."
So I took sick one time I was in a hotel, shitting so much and I called the hotel table in tears out of shire embarrassment and did my best to clean the bed where I made a mistake and when the cleaner came to help do the rest she brought me a box of tablets that help make you not a poop cannon and a few bottles of water and when I was crying because she was so sweet she said “things happen and we’re glad you told us” so when hearing people do this on PURPOSE and leave staff to be unknowingly stumbling upon it, I’d throw hands with anyone who is that disrespectful
As someone not in the furry community, it seems to me that a lot of people in said community either feel the need to force all inclusivity due most likely to having been discriminated against in their past, or abuse the concept of inclusivity to force others to tolerate their degeneracy
And you are not wrong
This is a perfect summary of how it is nowadays. It's why the fandom is so split, especially politically.
You are correct.
I am striving to have a stainless image as a furry in public (in public online spaces like TH-cam comment sections, in Discord servers, e621 comment sections when I feel like I have the need to visit that site and in real life).
Although I was called many things in the past for no reason whatsoever, I still enjoy being a furry and I'm trying to be a force of change in the community to get rid of degeneracy in this interest group (ousting pedos and zoos from the community, keeping 18+ content away from kids and incentivising people to keep harmless, yet generally weird fetishes to the company of the four walls they live and sleep in, like ABDL, BDSM, inflation, macro-micro, scat, watersports, etc.), while also encouraging a healthy sense of sexuality for those who are sexually into anthros. (I was mainly called a hypocritical zoophile by a group of violent, hateful anti-furries when I was posting yiff of human-animal hybrids in a Discord server in my private time and saying I'm against zoophiles; if anyone is interested in the full story, you could DM me on Discord.)
@@commentarysheep I am getting similar asumptions for that in Discord too. Can relate, but the more time I spend in communities the more people get used to me
you are very correct and I've never heard it put so well
keep cons fetish free *and any sfw area for that matter* (hotel room is fine but like keep it private)
children might attend and bystanders did not consent to seeing this
consent matters
also don't be a walking biohazard please...
also yeah diaper and baby furs kinda sketch me out and I avoid tf outta that
Agreed
FFA caught flak for combining 18+ only attendance with SFW only dress code. 🤔
Yeah, better seperate everything from each other, real fast.
Like, keep NSFW art trading away from the SFW booths, keep sexual things in the hotel room and better not destroy hotel equipment in the process.
MAAAAAAAAYBE "After Eight" programs for the NSFW stuff to flourish when strict enforcement of the rules is present.
I don't think they care. Knowing someone not concenting to it and forced to see it probably makes those types of furry's groin happy.
I think once it's late enough in the evening there should be set spaces for people who want to engage in kinks with other like-minded consenting furries.
Or maybe just an event that is entirely seperate for adults only.
Oh god... I learn to stay away from babyfurs as far away as I can. I don't even want to think about it or open the vault for that. I had some growing up to do and I'm happy with it. When stuff like this happens at hotels and public bathrooms, it is very disturbing and humanity is questionable at best.
I get baby degens interacting with my work a lot cause I draw cute stuff. Make me want to vomit. Petition to put them on an island far away from humanity lol
@@BlooftubeBloof The Sentinelese would welcome them in open arms and make arts and crafts from them or they would flee from them in terror. Either way babyfurs can cause a lot of problems with humanity. I don't want think about what would happen if they were near my neighbor's kid across the street.
Start to think if ABDL is overlapping with babyfurs or I am very wrong about this.
@@mechamicro ABDL could be overlapping with babyfurs. You may never know what ABDL is capable of.
@@mechamicro It's the same thing.
people treating a fetish as a badge of honor to proudly present to the world
is disturbing.
Unfortunately we live in an age of too much encouragement. Stuff like this happening more and more is a result of trying to catch all "accept" by means of letting everything and anything be public. Which i refuse. Some things should be private and people need to learn to conduct themselves, doing so is not "tying you down" its keeping you from making other people uncomfortable (and in some cases, keep from being abused).
It's only okay in kink-related circles
being proud of your kink is one thing but showing it off to the world and public is just unacceptable. Consent is very important when it comes to anything kink-related. Flaunting your kink in public without the consent of people (and CHILDREN) is just disgusting. when will people realize that if it is sex related, turns you on, or anything of the sort, DONT SHOW IT OFF IN PUBLIC
Pretty much describes lgbt as it currently stands. Lack of modesty.
Exactly
Well from someone that is an agere and a furry (but not a baby fur) it’s sad to see these people give furries and ageres a bad name.. Agere and what they do is two different things imo. Agere isn’t supposed to be a kink, it’s supposed to be a form of therapy. Even therapists support this.. but it’s never meant to be a sexual space. It’s meant to cope with things like trauma rather it be mental, physical, or seggual. I hate when people that have a kink for it bring it into a coping space.. and especially publicly.
There’s even a name for such things in the agere community called impure thoughts where it’s actually very harmful for us to be in a sexual state of mind as we regress. It’s highly looked down upon to force this ideology onto others as well.. if they want to have a kink being a baby sure fine, is it disgusting? Yes. But can they not bring it into public spaces? Also yes.. they’re public image really puts a bad taste in my mouth though when they force it upon others
necroing this thcomment but thats so hateful of you , some people have sexual trauma and their healing usualy has sexual component , the whole "coping cant be sexual" is just gatekeeping the people who need more than you , agere is super biggoted
MCFC was going to be my first furry convention, but I managed to schedule a very important appointment that I had been on a waitlist for eight months to get, so I skipped. I’m SUPER emetophobic (fear of vomit) and it sounds like that appointment was a blessing. One of my friends went and told me I wouldn’t have lasted two hours with how much sickness there was EVERYWHERE.
I hope they all tested for COVID
Honestly it kind of irks me how these bad-actors are ruining conventions in general for the community. Because they have to party so hard or do disgusting things and cause property damage. There are tons of rule-abiding attendees that save up all year and just want to go have a fun time to socialize. There is also several that depend heavily on conventions to conduct their business and make money. Like myself, I only ever attend conventions as a dealer, our business is in making entertainment. So it's upsetting to know some people who just can't keep it in their pants are ruining these cons for everyone.
I guess they are just too selfish or are so horribly unaware how much of a ripple effect that has on the community at large.
They also ruin the general public perception of furries. When I say I am furry most tend to jump towards me being a denerate. Thankfully in most Discords I have been after a while most get used to me and start seing me more as a normal person.
as a sfw babyfur incidents like these REALLY upset me. it gives the rest of us a bad name:((
Cool…I am a Babyfur too
I dislike these people who actually have the mindset to go out public like this
I would never dance in public I ain’t that confident
Same here, I’m also a babyfur and it sickens me how (literally) disgusting some members of the community can be :(
As someone who attended FE I was a little disgruntled that the baby fur panel wasn’t marked 18+
FE has to tiptoe around babyfurs. They have a babyfur on staff: BT (Baby Tiger) Armistice who is also cochair of the other big Ontario con, CanFURence
@@jonleibow3604 Wow I never clued into that. Explains why there was some strange stuff at that con. It's a shame since it seemed like a fun con apart from some of that stuff.
It's literally illegal why did nobody call police on that they all would end up in jail and all problems would be solved.
ive been to 2 conventions so far and ive seen mostly all of those panels that involve that being 18+. Thats a bit concerning that they didnt make it 18+
As a babyfur and someone with incontinence, I don't condone the behavior of those babyfurs who required the letter being written. It just makes things harder for those of us with medical issues.
Facts. I have bladder incontience and cannot help but wear them under clothing🥹
This may sounds weird, but i really like your personality and use of common sense and moral values; There's that kindness inside every smart opinion that is just so comforting. I'm sensitive btw-
The kind person is critical of things because they want them to change for the better.
The evil person "loves" everything and everyone as is, even literally crime babyfur is.
In a better timeline, baby furs is a cute nickname used to describe furries super new to the fandom…
…I wish that timeline was this one.
Talking about wearing kinky attire in public...
I love how, in germany, it's legal for people to barely wear anything, in shorts, full on harness, dog mask (the obvious kinky type) because of "personal unfolding/developement" ...
but wearing a fursuit is illegal unless you're on your way to a convention- lol
I'm pretty scared of babyfurs, I was nearly touched suggestively by one at a con who wanted to "crinkle my diaper". I was 16 at the time...
this was my first con and im already scarred.
Babyfurs all have signs 18- on their bio - meaning they are only interested in people under 18. Babyfur is just another word for MAP, minor attracted person.
That is VERY alarming. Yeah that babyfur is a pedo
Woah, I'm sorry about that
This is why I dislike the babyfur/ABDL community, probably because I'm a janitor, I find it disgusting and creepy, and it wouldn't surprise me if they have Peter Pan Syndrome and/or are permanently stunted at the mental age of four years old. And seriously, keep your kinks in private or you're demonstrating that you should not be within 500 feet of a playground, school, church or other place of religious worship, daycare, youth/recreational center.
I'm only a furry when I'm online, (plus Kevon could/should be arrested for voyeurism) but I do not consider myself part of the fandom, would *NEVER* allow any NSFW art of my character(s) or whatever, IRL I'm just a human, and I'm not sure if I'd ever attend a furry convention/meet.
I know right? Isn't this a type of ""kink"" that should put some people on a list?
@@dr00g35 Yeah...and it's one that got some babyfurs named Alan T. Panda and Pochi in prison.
@@saintsheepy6682 Unfathomably based
@@saintsheepy6682 There are way more in prison because it's illega in US, You can police on any babyfur and they will be in prison.
Believe me, I've seen people on the ABDL community that share their wet (or even messy) diapers on twitter and people reply with things like "what a cute wet diaper". Made me realize that they probably anosmic cuz I can't understand how they would handle that smell for a long time.
I couldn't have put my sentiments more succinctly! When it comes to fetishes and kink in general, there's definitely a time and place for indulging in such things, like in the privacy of a hotel room with a consenting party, or there are even events where such things are more readily accepted. Even still, those events usually have similar ground rules that try to keep things civil for everyone involved.
It's not that I hate ABDL in general, as I've personally indulged in diaper play within the privacy of my home before, it's specifically the mentality behind the "bad apples" that just irks me. It would be easy to say they're just delusional and too wrapped up in their fantasy to take the time to consider what other people would think. That may make up a portion of those bad apples, but a more nefarious take on this mentality is that they're so sick of behaving as an adult in society that they deliberately choose to roleplay as a child as an excuse to justifying acting out bad behavior in their minds. A very pathological form of escapism that needs to be addressed if that's the case.
I.E. "Oh, a baby can act up whenever they want and people seem to be more tolerant when it happens." No, an actual child isn't mentally developed enough to know better, and learns through parental guidance how to behave. As an adult, we're all expected to know better and behave accordingly in public. Whether roleplaying as a baby or not, they're still accountable for acting in ways that causes friction with public interactions. Most people would just tell them to "grow up" while being caught in the act, but they'd become irate at someone telling them such. They don't want to "grow up", because that means they have to take accountability for their behavior again.
A part if me wonders if flaunting their fetishes in public is a humiliation fetish thing? Like, they don't just have an ABDL and/or age play fetish, and/or any other fetishes, they also have a humiliation fetish and that's why they go out in public and flaunt their fetishes.
(I'm not kink shaming here, btw. I just wonder if it's a part of it or not.)
10:40 imma be real with you chief, I honestly think that furries are too welcoming for these sorts of 'coping'. This stuff is so borderline fucked tbh & causes everyone else in the fandom to get blamed.
OH MY GOD I AGREE. As a furry, the community is way too accepting to things that borderline on CP/CSEM and stuff like that. It's really gross, I wish it wasn't so normalized within the fandom.
yeah many psychologists even consider it fucked up you know something is wrong
I really wish i didn't have to share space with any babyfur's. I swear if i go to a con and have to deal with crinklers first chance i get I'll get them banned. The less these degenerates show off their weird diaper fetish thinking its okay to in public the better off everyone is.
@@sunburstkisser I don’t know what CSEM is, and I feel like I probably don’t want to know
@@AwesomeTaco691 It means "Child sexual exploitative material" and it's the "more correct" term for CP.
Some people hate when you call it CP and would rather you call it CSEM but imo "CSEM" feels like it diminishes the severity of the content being produced
I was at MCFC 2022. I didn't see anything disgusting but seriously, I thought we were better than this. Con staff need to crack down on those responsible for all that property damage and ban them from future cons.
Hotels talk to each other and when no one is willing to host, that's how a con collapses. Though I say it's way too soon to compare MCFC to Rainfurrest.
I was there as well. I heard about the puking, but the hotel staff were in control of serving alcohol is what I was told.
The biggest concern that con was someone's wheels being stolen rather than this letter that was sent out. Didn't hear about any of this until the letter hit.
@@DDRMixer same. I thought everything was going just fine until I saw the letter. You’d figure they’d bring up any concerns during the closing ceremony
I have lots of babyfur friends and they all hate that some bad actors are making this all even more stigmatized.
Anyone who has changed a real baby's diaper in a public bathroom knows you don't leave it on someone's car, or on a counter, or just laying around. If we could all add that part of the social contract to the role play that'd be great.
I regress due to trauma, I’m a furry, my fursona also regresses and I have plenty of art of my sona as a baby. I would NEVER go to con wearing a diaper, I would NEVER leave a huge mess for the poor staff to clean up. Im so sad that my innocent coping mechanism that I use due to my ptsd gets mixed in with all these fetish creeps. I posted baby art of my sona once and never again will I be doing that. Do what ever you want behind closed doors but stop forcing everyone else’s to deal with it in public space’s especially ones with children! It’s beyond triggering to be sexualized when I’m in the headspace of an infant and it makes regressors like me feel alone and scared! I am so sorry to everyone who has had these negative experiences with these sickos ❤
You see, this is why I'm an anti-furry. I know there are people like you, who do not sexualise your interests, but them there is also a concerning number who do so. Imma be honest, until I watched this video, I didn't even know babyfurs were a thing.
Now, it is up for debate whether the sexuallisation of animals, anthropomorphic or not, has been a part of the furry fandom from the start or became a thing later, but it is undeniable that it is very widespread nowadays. It is also undeniable that the concept of fluffy, brightly coloured anthropomorphic animals is appealing to children, whether it is intended to or not.
Unfortunately, this means that children can and will take interest in and try to join the furry fandom, especially online.
Once again, I am not saying that all furries or babyfurs are zoophiles or pedophiles, but a larger proportion of them must be than there is in any other facet of society that I'm aware of. It is only natural, people in general tend to start sexualising things they are exposed to for a certain amount of time. Studies have shown that people do find themselves attracted to people that are closer to them (girl-next-door type person). Sailors that used to spend months at sea without the touch of a woman became gay despite being as straight as a ruler before for that very reason. It is only natural for people to start fetishizing their hobbies and the people/characters who partake in or are featured in said hobby.
And if that hobby involve dressing up and imagining yourself as animals, sometimes childlike ones, I'm sure you can see where the problem with fetishizing that arises, especially in a fandom that is outwardly appealing to children and mainly based online. This opens up terrifyingly perfect online space where all sorts of bad things can be both done to people and normalised, leading to an increased likelihood of bad things being done to others (namely kids).
I think this, along with the things mentioned in this video and the numerous firsthand confirmations of the perversion the fandom is home to and encourages is reason enough for me to do my utmost to discredit and try to speed up the disappearance of this fandom as much as possible. I understand that you will probably disagree with me there, but I'd be genuinely interested in your opinion on this. That goes out to anyone who's read this far. What do you think?
@@Sagryl being anti furry doesn’t really make sense to me, because even though there are people like this I’m the fandom they are a tiny minority. And people who harm children and animals are actually kicked out of the community and hated.
As a babyfur myself I’d never bring anything out in public, do a con, or anything like that. That’s just disgusting. My PTSD has also influenced this side of me, and as much as I want to kick it out, it’s not going away. I wish the babyfur (and general furry) community was more strict about not bringing fetishes or kinks into public. The reputation is already bad because of this, and these careless people just make it worse.
@@akiraserval kink are fine as long as each party is consenting, but once you bring that into a public space you are forcing it onto non consenting parties. I wish people would understand that.
I went to MCFC and I can say that none of my friends and I saw the diapers in the public bathrooms so I have to commend the staff for being so quick to fix these problems.
I hope they not only charged these people but banned them as well.
I thought I was messy leaving unfolded towels on bathroom floor in the hotel room, even said sorry to the house keeping lady and left her a $20 on the desk. Maybe she was being so nice because I was a normal and not leaving my room in a total mess. Just because they have a cleaning job does not mean you should make their life hell. As for the rest I agree keep it to the room during the day.
Gentle reminder: By definition, kinks are always sexual, that means displaying your kink is public can legally be classed as sexual assault :)
Heyo bestie maybe don’t diminish the severity of sexual assault by equating it to public indecency which is what this is :)
@@gasmaskhoney who are you referring to?
@@wetthepeasheck7025 your are pretty much involving those around you in on your link nonconsensually.
@@enderwalkgang still not the same or has the same severity as sexual assault.
as a furry myself, i find this shit disturbing.
Imma be 100% honest here, babyfurs disgust me and creep me out
FR
You're not the only one.
I just hope that stuff like this doesn’t destroy the reputation of the fandom again, more and more fetishes of people are being shown to the public, it’s sad to see that people are comfortable enough to do this
Hello again Connor! I guess I'll see you in another comment section tomorrow too xD
@@twindragsofwot7805 Hello twindrags! I guess we’ll see lol
the fandom can't save its ass.
the fandom is done for as it should be
@@therealdealishere as a furry myself I’m usually a peace loving, super gay, kink is cool type person. But I’m gonna be honest if someone is wearing a soiled diaper in public and asking others to change it I actually turn into the most conservative human on earth
There was someone at a local anime con who was wearing one of those puppy hood things and was asked by a con staff to take it off for obvious reasons. He then proceeded to write an angry post on the con’s Facebook group acting like there was nothing wrong with what he was doing and playing the victim.
I'm 15, and a furry
I don't plan on going to conventions at all rn but when I do id probably take some friends in the near future
Best to not go alone in those areas
*BabyFurs:* >Show their wrinkly asses to everyone, poop on the floor, scream like banshees in the jungle, baby-talk despite being 30+ years old
*BabyFurs:* Why do people think we're gross. We're just lil babies with mental problems. Q-Q
*Normal People:* 🤮
I can see a Karen pattern emerge from here.
As a babyfur, I don’t approve of the behaviour of the other babyfurs
Babyfur detected. opinion invalidated. FBI notified.
How many school zones are you already not allowed to enter?
Fellow babyfur here. I just wish there was some way to remind people to not bring kinks and fetishes into public, especially around children. There will always be bad people in any group.
Babyfurs are the equivalent to furrys as furrys are to normies
Except they’re not misunderstood
I'm going to say something kinda controversial. But i absolutely hate the ageplay community as a whole.
It makes people who use age regression look like freaks, id have to say moreso than how people precive furries at this point
This shouldn’t be controversial. Too many of them try to lump themselves in with the age regression community and even mislabel their kink as agere, and that is incredibly harmful for a community full of minors, especially minors who have been traumatized and are trying to heal. It’s even worse since their “community” is founded on sexualizing children and romanticizing child abuse. They harm themselves and everyone they force into seeing their kinks.
the bnuuy has returned
As an artist who hopes to eventually sell artwork at a convention, I won’t lie I’m a bit afraid of dealing with bad actors- i know conventions are inherently a bit crazy, but if things get worse I may just reconsider that idea altogether- at the very least if I go I won’t go alone, and I’ll be with my boyfriend who can stand up for me.
fetishizing babys in any way is disgusting.
I dont mind strictly SFW babyfurs but the dirty diapers and sexual stuff is honestly,, very disturbing and I hope those people get help. I have babyfur/age regression characters and if anyone sexualized them I'd vomit.
What were FE organizers thinking. BT is a well known babyfur, Catmonkshiro is there every year and they have had Babyfur events since at least 2017.
Honestly, reminds me of the whole ordeal of pup play gear on con floor. I don't think any fetish gear should be around during the all ages portion of the con.
Like, fuck. FE 2018 I saw 3 pup players go to the public pool area of the hotel and sit in the hot tub with a ton of families around
I think for me it’s about the extent to which it’s being sexualized, I wear like leggings and stuff and big punk boots around which are definitely part of some of my kinks, sometimes I’ll wear really short skirts and stuff as well, all of these stuff is sexual and might be considered weird but it’s something so objectionable it makes people cringe too hard. I feel the same towards a lot of pup play stuff, if people are just wearing it yeah cool whatever but if they start barking at children then I become an authoritarian and they should be put in prison instantly.
baby furs who wear stuff that clearly fetishize the diaper in the outfit, such as a no pants + tutu combo, and do it outside of adult spaces are going to be the cause of so many rules that bar me entry from some cons due to my being incontinent and having to wear diapers for medical reasons. It's especially bad because I have heavy incon so I end up having to buy the fetish grade stuff to keep my pants safe, so it becomes much harder to keep people from noticing. It's already annoying enough to have no choice in wearing them, but dealing with people asking questions is more annoying, and with the baby fur stigma becoming more and more acknowledged and these few bad apples making such scenes, I'm only going to have to deal with this BS even more.
Nothing wrong with being a diaperfur/babyfur at all, I fall into the category as a coping mechanism for dealing with my incontinence and autism, but if you're gonna do this stuff out in public when it isn't appropriate, just realize you're hurting incontinent people who might be less okay with talking about their issue than I might be and probably not even close to the community.
I’m sure you’re aware of this but wearing a pair of skin coloured shorts over a diaper helps hide it tremendously, especially if you want to wear a skirt or show off your legs in your cosplay outfit. (From another incon cosplayer who also wears the “fetish” diapers for maximum security)
Babyfur detected. Opinion discarded. User blacklisted from ever being hired.
Alts won't save you.
@@lostgarbage4055 somehow being incontinent means my opinion doesn't matter because I was accepted into a community of people you don't like due to, again, a MEDICAL DISABILITY. you can take your ableist ass and go commit lego step. you sure are living up to the garbage half of your name, you should try living up to the first half of it now.
@@lostgarbage4055 you are a shitty person. This person seems pretty ok and you go into this weird lock down mode like wtf
Ayyyy I'm earlyishhh!! I wouldn't consider myself a furry, as Im not into it nor have any desire to be one or be with one, so obviously I'm not interested in going to any furcons, but the furry drama and stuff like that is super entertaining from an outsiders perspective (': but I really admire furries like you and coyote lovely, and know majority of furries aren't like this or zoophiles, but that it is still an alarming amount and even other furries seem to understand and know this, they seem to hate zoophiles the most
When furry friends ask me why I never went to any convention despite being popufur and being in fandom for 17 years: rainforest solidified my choice permanently
When I heard the sentence "defecated her diaper at her mother's house", I knew I had to subscribe.
As someone who regularly gives AD babyfur panels at cons and knows more background info on some of this than most... some of this is fair in that there have been some recent incidents of individuals crossing lines at cons; however, there are a couple important things that are inaccurate/misframed:
1. Repeated references are made to Rainfurrest 2015, which take for granted that babyfur incidents were causal to its cancelling. This was the conclusion that Twitter jumped to immediately contemporaneously, but in actuality the things that lost them the hotel were mostly related to drug use incidents (multiple ambulance calls, literally thousands of nitrous cartridges found in a room) and an incident where a hotel room was flooded to the point of damaging rooms and equipment below.
This is to say, what actually got RF cancelled was property damage and liability concerns, which, frankly, makes a lot more sense than the knee-jerk social media narrative. RF in general had understaffed con security compared to other cons, gained a reputation over the years as a wild party con, and that wild party culture eventually killed the con.
2. Wolfbird - My understanding this was a con GOH that was apparently chosen years earlier on the chaotic backdrop of the pandemic when there was uncertainty about when cons would even restart. When they were announced at FE 2022, it was quickly found that they’d been explicitly posting anti-babyfur posts in 2021, their Twitter profile directly equated the community with pedos, and they were proactively using a very broad babyfur blocklist (their stance was very unambiguous). My understanding is that when thereafter approached about all this, they weren’t willing to reconsider that point of view.
Look, babyfurs are approximately 1/10 of the community, and disproportionately beyond that prevalence participate in con staffs. It is an untenable situation for a con to have a GOH who publicly insists a sizable minority slice of the community including a bunch of con staff are “pedos”, which is an extremely loaded term implying predatory and illegal-to-the-point-of-being-one-of-the-worst-crimes-that-exists exploitation of minors.
No, we’re consenting adults with a kink, and we’ve been dealing with this as the go-to reflexive slur against our community for as long as there’s been a community. Furry is a safe-haven for sex-positivity, LGBT, and kink broadly; all of this has a shared loaded history of being falsely accused of being predators and ostracized. Any other furry subgroup would be similarly incensed to be called such today. This framing, I hope, makes clearer the our perspective and why this was such a red line for us.
Babyfur detected. Opinion invalidated. Fur con staff notified. Local police department notified. Work notified.
Nobody is going to read your book on how cheese pizza is not a reason to put somebody into jail.
As a babyfur, I think it's completely fucked up when others go into public wearing their attire. Especially when children are present. Imagine being a parent having to explain that. Not only that, but it makes the furry community, and the convention as a whole look bad. It's sorta the same reason why I hate seeing those pup masks in public. It's all fetish gear. There's a time and place for everything, and on the con floor, or anywhere where children are present, is not one of them.
Babyfur detected, opinion invalidated, furry con stuff notifed, user blacklisted forever.
6:34 You know it’s bad when you say the same thing twice. His mind didn’t even know how to continue for a sec lol.
In all seriousness though, while I’m not into the baby fur stuff myself, but I don’t judge. So as long as it’s between two consenting adults. I just don’t get the sexual aspect of baby furs. Like how does that work? Even though two baby furs are essentially two consenting adults committing to roleplaying and acting like infants together… wouldn’t that also mean you’ll have to roleplay being UNABLE to consent? Since underaged children can’t comprehend sex and anything related, it would only make since that you won’t be able to take part in it right? Going even further, being as young as a baby, their minds aren’t even fully developed yet to even have such activities register to them. Unless I’m missing something here.
Baby fur stuff isn’t my biggest field of knowledge, but please correct me if I made a mistake. I just find that part very odd and confusing. Also like Lagovirt said, no one is trying to kinkshame you, but it becomes a problem when you flaunt that stuff in the eyes of the public. Like it’s fine to be a baby fur, but be mindful and respectful with it. Use common sense. There’s a time and a place. I don’t just say this about baby furs either, but universally speaking. You like BDSM? That’s cool, but I feel like no one should have to tell you to not walk around the plex wearing a latex skintight body suit with restraining gear and a mouth gape strapped on you during public displays. Obviously it’s not everyone who go to conversations thankfully, but those specific people know who they are.
I agree, and your not wrong as far-as-I know. I think it's mostly a Scat fetish.
Babyfur is sometimes used as a catchall for furry ABDLs. AB = Adult Baby, people who like to roleplay as babies/toddlers. DLs = Diaper Lover, people who have a specific fetish for diapers as an object. The thing is, because of how both of these "fetishes" play into one another and tend to arise from the same psychological source, most ABDLs are both ABs and DLs to some degree, it works like a spectrum. Sexual interaction between two babyfurs will often revolve more around the DL side of the spectrum which tends to be more inherently sexual in and of itself, however, some degree of bleed in from the AB side is still common.
Another thing that may make it easier to comprehend is understanding that not every age-playing babyfur is undergoing full immersion all of the time, regression is rarely a rigid experience. Plenty of us actually prefer to seamlessly mix parts of adult headspace and "little" headspace together, either because we want to take aspects of both that we like and leave those that we don't, or because it can just be tiresome to do full immersion for too long, or even because it's just nice to be able to bond with friends or a significant other as, you know, an adult. Might sound strange from the outside, but it makes perfect sense to our weird little brains.
Typically, babyfurs who involve babyfur roleplay in their sexual interaction are just engaging in partial immersion. Typically anything to do with diapers or power dynamics (An AB with a DL as a caretaker is a very common relationship), will be part of what they borrow from the "little" category, as well as paraphernalia like clothing and pacifiers in some cases, but typically the rest of what's going on in their head is borrowing squarely from the adult category. For the most part, it's just two adults engaging in either normal or diaper-related sexual play while mixing in some ABDL flare for flavor and self-expression. After all, if you can't be yourself in the bedroom, where can you be?
Us as adults can’t actually just… not be able to consent. It’s roleplay, or at very most a head space similar to sub space. We can’t have the actual minds of babies even if we wanted to.
A lot of the sexual nature of it is part of the diaper aspect as opposed to the baby aspect. Sometimes baby themes will be used but it’s not about actually being attracted to babies of children, it’s more of a humiliation thing.
1:04 i still remember eating pizza a day after, not knowing any better. That was cursed.
I thought baby furs were people that were new to the furry community 😅
I agree with this video as well as the well-thought out comments section. I would consider myself a sex repulsed asexual. Anything sex related makes me unbearably uncomfortable. I can’t even stand seeing kissing, whether it’s in a kids movie or not. So safe to say, the PDA problems and showing off kink is very much in a “I’m not consenting to this” way for me. I’m not a furry, but I feel like furcons and pride events have the same problem. There isn’t enough enforcement on when it’s appropriate to have kinks being shown. I don’t want to see someone wearing a diaper just like I don’t want to see someone walking around in only a jockstrap. I applaud the convention for letting the babyfur know (even though they knew and did it anyway). I think making it clear what times are for kink, or even having specific days for it, would be really beneficial because both sides of the kink debate could have a bit of their way. Any person found actively going against rules should be disallowed from participating in the event further. But that’s just me. This can be seen as a very nuanced issue, so there really can’t be a fully fledged answer to who’s right and what to do.
Man i left the fandom a while back for...reasons, and ive been binging your content to see how the fandoms been doing.
I gotta say, oof
I'd consider myself kind of a furry. I'm only recently starting to accept that I have some crushes on non human men. Like Puro and 'on a technicality' The Killer Folk
Isn’t that just a zoo :(
@@cats-a-lot3609 No. I don't know how to explain and I don't want to sound like I'm lying
@@images9536 but having a crush on an animal is kinda strange
@@cats-a-lot3609 “Liking” anthropomorphic animal characters like Puro and “liking” actual animals are two completely different things.
@@malikharrell2488 eeehhhhh
I don't understand why people with a diaper fetish have to announce that they are going to a convention for furries. I mean, that is completely weird and doesn't do anyone favors.
They are babyfurs. Which is baby furs in diaper.
@@mechamicro no excuse.
What is after dark…?
Quick question…why are you here out of all places…
@@toxictheprotogen5049 don’t question my means of information.
okay I confess, I stole crayons from the babyfurs. But cmooooooon, they had so many! I doubt they noticed
Babyfur kinks/fetishes have always felt disturbing and wrong to me, mainly because of the types of people mentioned in the video who have horrendous manners, as well as how the kink kinda dips its toes into p***phile territory. You do you I guess, but please stay away from me
*HOWEVER,* nonsexualized or innocent babyfurs are completely fine, I can understand wanting to be a small and wholesome little bean who still has their sense of childlike wonder
It's illegal in US you can call police on them and they will be put to jail.
Babyfurs have always just kinda weirded me out. I've come to realize that they're not all p3d0s, but when they engage in erotic behaviors as babyfurs... it just really unsettles me. I find that gross. If you keep it 100% unsexual, then that's fine. Just leave me out of it, and don't make it sexual, for the love of everything. As for the doodoo feces, come on, guys. You're not making it any easier on the fandom. These people trust you and all of us as a community to utilize their hotel, and you just ruin that trust. This is actually why we can't have nice things. No wonder it's becoming harder to host fur meets anywhere. I will admit to being into scat, but that's taking it too far. Way too far. I don't do irl scat. But if I did, I wouldn't deface property and ruin a hotel room with it. It should be done in your own home. Don't make it other people's problems.
Maybe not all pedophiles, but it surely could be correlative with pedophilic desires 100%.
I was at FE 2018 and 2019 and accidentally ended up at the babyfur section (I promise it was an accident)
They hid it in the corner down some obscure hallway but the fact it was even open where children (actual children, mind you) could access it unfettered? yeah theres a reason I stopped going
As a babyfur myself, it baffles me how indecent a lot of other babyfurs I’ve met are. I would never be that open or inconsiderate.
Babyfur detected. Opinion invalidated. All neighbors notified, FBI notified, SWAT team dispatched.
Dude i don’t care what you do in your house as long it doesn’t hurt anyone, and if you wanna have your little costume conventions go for it.
But.. doing this.. in public- literally.. what. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. Maybe both.
Wait, I though this was gonna be those common dramas that happen sometime years ago but being brought up again. This is relevant now 2022 this year. Wtf-
this is the shit that makes my skin crawl like I’m certain there’s a time and place for all that. At the very least keep it in the hotel room man
I didn't expect to hear OFF music. You have my respect!
ooh new upload by the bun
*_RAINFURREST FLASHBACKS INTENSIFY_*
Dude, leave twitter before it's too late man. That thing destroys lives!
Should have warned Elon Musk about that one.
As a former twitterfur, I can concede that it has ruined my life tenfold.
I’m not a furry but I used to cosplay for almost 10 years & I can tell you behavior at anime conventions is not any better than this
liked for the OFF ost, stayed for the tea abt the furry comminuty.
I'm already autisitc, queer, disabled and not cis. So society already hates my guts, why not pile one more thing on top?
Oh right I'm openly polyam too.
So, yeah furry, that's small beans.
Guh?
As long as you aren’t going around asking people to change your dipey wipey in public you’re a okay.
went to my first furcon recently and there was a babyfur wandering around with a dummy in his fursuits mouth - ok, wierd but idrc, but then I looked down at his paws which were clearly supposed to be white but were grey and matted.
I then found him on twitter, saw his character was supposed to be a 3 year old, and he entered a sex toy giveaway on the same account. so yeah
Nothing wrong with that he’s a grown adult he can do what he pleases
still wouldn't let him near a playground brah@@acgraphics1139
Cursed Lemon’s “Fucking Furries” makes more and more sense the more i learn about this shit
The use of Clockwork SENT me.
Kinks in public, where non-consenting ppl are, is never ok imo. Informed consent.
honestly the sole reason imo for the controversy over ddlg/abdl/baby and age regression stuff is the deep trauma associated and BE HONEST ITS ON EVERYONES PART. so just keep it out of public eyes, its pretty simple.
Generally, I would consider myself pretty kink-positive. But there’s a time and a place, and out in public is not it.
Bystanders cannot consent to be part of your scene.
babyfur is not kink it's a crime
YOOOO, OFF SOUNDTRACK IN THE BACKGROUND???!? :0
I don't think it's fair to call babyfur a fetish because that inheritely has a sexual meaning and it really is theraputic for some people. Can't deny there's a shit ton of people using it as a fetish but it's not something that is 100% sexual.
That being said, I don't think it should be in public just because it's not sexual. If you're using it as a way to process trauma, that still isn't something that's either needed or safe to bring out in public.
Babyfurs are not even remotely close to pedos. To better understand a Babyfur you need to understand what an ABDL is. Just like there are furs that make the furry community look bad there are Babyfurs that make the Babyfur community look bad
For those who don't understand, the reason walking around in fetish gear is not okay is because it's forcing other people to be part of something erotic they don't want to be part of. Why should everyone else have to partake in your fetish, which, yes, that's what watching it is? These people are selfish.
Part of me understands age regression therapy but I think if it dips into sexuality/kinks then I think it gets complicated. Like insinuating you are underage is not a good thing in a sexual environment. Idk what the arguments are against this but that is my idea. At the very least keep it in private like other sexual subjects.
I guess you can say...It was a shitty con
Okay I can get wanting to share your hobbies with others but the sheer lack of self awareness or concern some folks have when it comes to this sort of thing is just depressing.
i miss a few minutes ago when i didnt know about babyfurs
"Have we just given up the mindset of making the furry fandom look like average, normal people with an odd hobby and not sex, kink obsessed freaks?"
My thoughts exactly. What's worse is that these people refuse to go away any time soon. I miss when saying "proud to be a furry" was an act of defiance and not an admission of guilt