Its amazing how much longer it takes to make a vinyl compared to a CD. But yeah there's a lovely presence to the sound on vinyl that you just cant get on a CD. That and the feel and smell of vinyl makes them something that just feels more special.
Morasch (another user name) has a great collection of popular songs. And his turntable has been pimped out so the sound couldn't get any better! And it's a 1979 model. And he said the cartridge alone is over $1000.
@silver760 it's called Direct Metal Mastering (DMM), it produces higher quality stampers without having to go through the Mother -> Father -> Stamper process and reduces production time & cost. :)
@jonnebanan I agree 100%. I recently bought some new vinyl (but old recordings) and was disappointed with the sound quality. I never knew that modern record cutting machines used digital sound as there input signal. But this certainly explains it. Because listening to these records I had the feeling that they sounded somewhat "digital" even though I knew the original master recordings were made analog. So to get real analog sound I should just try to get good quality old pressings again.
This is soooo great! The moment of birth :) Thank you so much for posting this! Too bad they only showed the old school method and not the Direct Metall Mastering (DMM) procedure. But it's ok!
@Davoravo86 You don't get any crackle or noise on a half decent player on new vinyl. Analogue will always be better than digital because it's an exact reproduction of sound in a sine wave. The sound is reproduced by vibrations made by the sound. Digital is merely a digital wave, which means it takes X&Y axis points from the analogue wave, to produce a numerical value. The higher the sample rate, the better it is, but digital will never reproduce a perfect sine wave in it's natural form.
@johneymute Dynamic range (softest/loudest volume) and bitrate (khz) have nothing to do with eachother. In case of vinyl you can't actually speak of bitrate because it's analog. Dynamic range of a vinyl is much smaller than CD or mp3. I also think vinyl sounds better because of it's warmth, but that's a personal taste.
That is a good way to put it. Some people say that one thing is the best just because it's the latest in tech advance. 192K 24bit is alright quality if you ask me. Most people listen to MP3 and think it's good. It's a matter of personal prefference. But modern vinyl is not as good as the old ones. It not just that it's analogue. It has something to it that's not meassurable. The thing for me is how wowed can I get from what I hear.
Its fascinating never knew there was so much to it ive always preffered vinyl anyway most of the best classic dance tunes are on vinyl which you cant get on CD
thanks but I live in Canada and we don't have Targer lol although my friend goes to school in Washington state...maybe I'll get one when I visit him Thanks!
the reason why vinyl is better than cd and mp3,s in manny way's is becouse, vynil has a dinamic range of 76 khz and stores the sound in original vorm,but cd,s only has a dinamic range of 44,1 khz and mp3,s has cutt off inaudible frequencies. it,s possible that the master record was digital but then later recorded in annalogue on lp,and that master record is of much hicher quality then cd,s offcourse. so it,s no excuse to say annalogue is better then digital!!!
In the end I would prefer bad soundquality and good artist and not the other way around. Like Dylans stuff doessen't always bring you the hi-fi experiance. But it's one of the riches musical experiences ever nonetheless. Nowadays most music is just crap so a format like MP3 might be good enough then.
It's not a question of new technology. Technology has nothing to do with it because frankly vinyl is superior because the vinyl "system" allow for DJs to read the music easily where the best computer software sucks at this totally! Its a question of respect. Digital DJs have no respect for where things came from and that is why they have no future.
Modern way of creating a analog vinyl disc from of digitaly recorded, or stored, music makes no sense. Vinyl discs of the past deliver infinite definition since it's analog recorded all the way from the microphone or instrument to the record. Modern vinyl makes no sense..
People just can get enough of that muddy destorted sound that records produce,they will be buying tapes again next to get even more distortion and mud.
@silver760 You are ignorant to this subject and are showing your ignorance with this comment. Vinyl is far superior in sound quality to a CD or any digital format.
Do some research 'DUDE' the English language (as borrowed by YOU) has been around for many more centuries than your country. which by the way, if we didn't occupy that country they you wouldn't have it now. Remember that whenever you speak you are using ENGLISH not American. Don't criticise how someone speaks if you are using their language, just because we are more articulate in our pronunciation than you doesn't mean that you have a say in how it should sound. hope your not perplexed now
I love vinyl, but i hate people who are pretentious about it and say "cds and mp3 have no soul" or some shit like this. It's still technology, just older.
Its amazing how much longer it takes to make a vinyl compared to a CD. But yeah there's a lovely presence to the sound on vinyl that you just cant get on a CD. That and the feel and smell of vinyl makes them something that just feels more special.
You can get a record player, that also plays cd's, cassetes, and has an ipod input for just a little over 80 bucks at target.
@AETrainingDavid97 Oh and the smell of the dev liquid floating in the tanks, the stop, and the fix, awesome. I still love my emulsion camera.
Morasch (another user name) has a great collection of popular songs. And his turntable has been pimped out so the sound couldn't get any better! And it's a 1979 model. And he said the cartridge alone is over $1000.
They used to make the master from shellac,interesting to see the newer method with a laquered alloy disc.
@silver760 it's called Direct Metal Mastering (DMM), it produces higher quality stampers without having to go through the Mother -> Father -> Stamper process and reduces production time & cost. :)
@jonnebanan I agree 100%. I recently bought some new vinyl (but old recordings) and was disappointed with the sound quality. I never knew that modern record cutting machines used digital sound as there input signal. But this certainly explains it. Because listening to these records I had the feeling that they sounded somewhat "digital" even though I knew the original master recordings were made analog.
So to get real analog sound I should just try to get good quality old pressings again.
Very interesting. Good video!
Tony Hirst is a legend. I dunno why but I love his puns!
This is soooo great! The moment of birth :)
Thank you so much for posting this!
Too bad they only showed the old school method and not the Direct Metall Mastering (DMM) procedure. But it's ok!
actually, older vinyls weren't made using digital means (no mp3's etc.) maybe that has the "warmer" sound
This video reminds me of watching a video in High School! Haha! ;)
@Davoravo86 You don't get any crackle or noise on a half decent player on new vinyl. Analogue will always be better than digital because it's an exact reproduction of sound in a sine wave. The sound is reproduced by vibrations made by the sound. Digital is merely a digital wave, which means it takes X&Y axis points from the analogue wave, to produce a numerical value. The higher the sample rate, the better it is, but digital will never reproduce a perfect sine wave in it's natural form.
@johneymute
Dynamic range (softest/loudest volume) and bitrate (khz) have nothing to do with eachother. In case of vinyl you can't actually speak of bitrate because it's analog. Dynamic range of a vinyl is much smaller than CD or mp3. I also think vinyl sounds better because of it's warmth, but that's a personal taste.
That is a good way to put it. Some people say that one thing is the best just because it's the latest in tech advance. 192K 24bit is alright quality if you ask me. Most people listen to MP3 and think it's good. It's a matter of personal prefference. But modern vinyl is not as good as the old ones. It not just that it's analogue. It has something to it that's not meassurable. The thing for me is how wowed can I get from what I hear.
Good old times :)
03:51 ..I like it :D
@repeatedjellyfish Sadly, when I went to the record store, I actually found some albums of hers on vinyl.
Which year do you think was the best in vinyl production? I think 1973...
Very good video! 5stars
It seems like going to a lot of trouble to improve sound quality a little bit. But that's what audiophiles do.
Its fascinating never knew there was so much to it ive always preffered vinyl anyway most of the best classic dance tunes are on vinyl which you cant get on CD
how much can i get a record player for these days?
range from cheapest please!
thanks but I live in Canada
and we don't have Targer lol
although my friend goes to school in Washington state...maybe I'll get one when I visit him
Thanks!
I'm surprised that the master they use for pressing is so flimsy. It looks like it would tear or wear out fast, but I guess not.
amazing :D
@johneymute
yes, but you always inherently get vinyl crackle and noise. CD's are far cleaner!
Thanks!...
this isn't the same show aired in the US, is it? i mean he guys has an accent
cool
It's the British version!!
what is a laquer?
It is a liquid finish. Varnish on furniture or paintings is a type of laquer.
Laura Ressinger thank you!
so... all artists have at least one silver record...
YES love shows like this eat here hors on end lol watch how things are made lol
Full-stop after a statement, please. E.G, "how a vinyl is made."
Thanks.
1 0 0 - Thousand kg of pressure ? OMG!!!
@killllshot Good one, let's hope vinyl remain gaga free.
I prefer the UK version :).
We'd make great pets.
now i knw why vinyls are expensive lol
@pawelek15467
sounds liek armen van helden or funkstar de luxe
the reason why vinyl is better than cd and mp3,s in manny way's is becouse, vynil has a dinamic range of 76 khz and stores the sound in original vorm,but cd,s only has a dinamic range of 44,1 khz and mp3,s has cutt off inaudible frequencies.
it,s possible that the master record was digital but then later recorded in annalogue on lp,and that master record is of much hicher quality then cd,s offcourse.
so it,s no excuse to say annalogue is better then digital!!!
In the end I would prefer bad soundquality and good artist and not the other way around. Like Dylans stuff doessen't always bring you the hi-fi experiance. But it's one of the riches musical experiences ever nonetheless. Nowadays most music is just crap so a format like MP3 might be good enough then.
tru dat
@SexualFruiit hahaha nice
That may be true, but they don't make record players like they used to.
It's not a question of new technology. Technology has nothing to do with it because frankly vinyl is superior because the vinyl "system" allow for DJs to read the music easily where the best computer software sucks at this totally!
Its a question of respect. Digital DJs have no respect for where things came from and that is why they have no future.
ha ez megvan valakinek magyarul, legyen már olyan jó, hogy közzéteszi... thx ;)
240p we meet again.
its a correct word. just because americans say it differently doesnt mean that they are right....
lol 'aluminium'
Modern way of creating a analog vinyl disc from of digitaly recorded, or stored, music makes no sense. Vinyl discs of the past deliver infinite definition since it's analog recorded all the way from the microphone or instrument to the record. Modern vinyl makes no sense..
They're called RECORDS! They are MADE out of PLASTIC...VINYL is what ur car seat upholstery is...
People just can get enough of that muddy destorted sound that records produce,they will be buying tapes again next to get even more distortion and mud.
@silver760
You are ignorant to this subject and are showing your ignorance with this comment. Vinyl is far superior in sound quality to a CD or any digital format.
Do some research 'DUDE' the English language (as borrowed by YOU) has been around for many more centuries than your country. which by the way, if we didn't occupy that country they you wouldn't have it now. Remember that whenever you speak you are using ENGLISH not American. Don't criticise how someone speaks if you are using their language, just because we are more articulate in our pronunciation than you doesn't mean that you have a say in how it should sound. hope your not perplexed now
I love vinyl, but i hate people who are pretentious about it and say "cds and mp3 have no soul" or some shit like this. It's still technology, just older.
Just dont put lady gaga on it!!!
Same footage just diff narrator. Seems like a waste of time to dub in another host lol.
I'm surprised that the master they use for pressing is so flimsy. It looks like it would tear or wear out fast, but I guess not.