i got a carbon fiber bow and it is great. I got a one off lesson from a world class cellist and she said it was very nearly as good as hers! To note they are also pretty cheap.
The strings are so tight that they hold the bridge in place. However, if the bridge IS knocked out, it only needs to be replaced and the strings retightened in order to replace the tension on the bridge.
A bass bar is a piece of wood that is attached to the front of the cello on the inside to support the other side of the bridge opposite from the sound post. It runs up and down above and below the bridge.
I am planning on getting one. they are rather expensive though. 6,000 dollars. however my friend has one and it's absolutely incredible and definitely worth the price. It's going to be funny being the only carbon fiber cello in my orchestra.
Well, the old guy happens to be the one that designed the carbon fiber cello and is an accomplished cellist in the Boston Pops Orchestra and if he plays a note flat, he probably did it on purpose. I only wish I could play half as good as he does.
I used to work for a luthier and so I know how much time it takes to build a $10k instrument. These carbon jobbies cost what they do for a lot of reasons, not the least of which is the tooling that went into making the molds. Do you think the first prototype they made was perfect? I would say that the price is an excellent value. Just because this vid is 10 mins long does not mean that is how long it takes. Businesses gotta survive and no one goes into biz just to be a financial martyr.
That's what they do on the How It's Made episodes, show a small version of what's being made, unless the thing being made is already small... I'm not sure why...
every professional or any who plays an instrument should know the full scale and playing that only helps warming up if not your performance is gonna be terrible, its like the same thing in sports, you don't warm up you get cramps.
It's surprising how many comments there are here alleging that the sound quality of carbon fiber instruments is somehow inferior to wood. It can be. Or not. The reality is that a lot of synthetic materials have been used to make instruments that are sonically indistinguishable from wooden instruments. The qualities that made certain woods candidates for use by luthiers are measurable and can be reproduced in synthetics. There's just less romance for those who need to mythologize the practical.
From what I have heard, the carbon fiber cellos are actually much better than comparably priced wooden cello. In fact, members of several professional orchestras use them, including members of the Boston Symphony and the Philadelphia Symphony. Of course they are not going to be as good as Yo-Yo Ma's 2 million dollar cello, but they are pretty darn close. Yo-Yo Ma himself has used one and all the members of the orchestra that played at the Inauguration used carbon fiber instruments.
The thing is that it's not the age that matters, but the age of it with someone playing it. Having an instrument stored 300 years without playing won't sound as good as and instrument 50 years played every day.
No graduation! Without graduation of the inside, you might as well take a tin can, poke holes and stretch thread over the openings. If this can manage it without graduation, imagine what this would be like with graduation
I think this allows more people to learn the instrument. It seems like the construction is simplified. There's only one way to make carbon fiber and incorporate that into a cello so you wouldn't have to buy a cheap one made from wood. Would wooden cellos still be in high demand? Isn't 100 year old wood scarce?
I work in the composites industry. I wonder why they have such a goofy process? They hand lay-up the body, then infuse the body, THEN glue the face on the body. Why don't they just skip the hand-lay up / glue process and just infuse the entire body? I can't see any reason why they shouldn't do this. Still, they end up with a beautiful instrument ;D
I suppose most of the people that use these would use carbon fiber bows as well then, hm? I'd like to try one of the nicer CodaBows to see how they perform (Diamond GX perhaps), but I've found that a pernambuco bow seems to fit my situation nicely for the time being. Any comments on how a good CF plays, I mean the weight and responsiveness.
Well, could the cavity still be there if they infused the entire body? And would the final shape be as consistent? The size of the cavity is very important to the resonance of the instrument.
I know how carbon made guitars are: very good projection, but the sound is much much less sweet, warm and complex than a high quality wood guitar. It's still better than a lot of cheap wood instrument though. If you don't mind the "cold", surgical type of sound, why not. That said, I think there is room for a LOT of improvment in the way those carbon instruments are made.
I actually don't know. I just know about the cellos and other carbon fiber instruments because I am currently in the market for a new viola so I have been doing a lot of research on these instruments. I have not yet gotten to bows, however. Sorry.
its true you can ask one of your orchestra teacher at your school or search it up. Plus, can't you tell the difference of sound in cello out of wood and the other made out of carbon fiber?
You'd be hard pressed to beat a wooden cello, but carbon-fiber would suit anyone that is learning to play, or is an intermediate player, or someone with too much money that thinks it looks cool. (I'd fit the last category with the exception of the money part of the equation) *Not talking out of my ass* Also, for $7,000 (which is what these cost) you can get one hell of a nice wooden cello.
Well, it might actually appeal to a differant crowed of people. Those that don't like the traditional wooden style. I'm probably talking out'a mine as well.
Thats beautiful, it would make me want to learn to play the chello just to be able to use it. The one thing i dont get though...would you not be a bit dissapointed to have an entire chello made of CF only for the bridge piece to be made of wood?
@KissakiSan Actually, maple, ebony and spruce are not endangered in any way. Your comment is ludicrous. They are some of the most plentiful woods on the planet. The woods used in the making of a stringed instrument are NOT rare in any way. A "rare" cello would be one made by a great luthier, such as Stradivarius or Guarneri del Gesu and yes, instruments made from a master luthier are always better.
@KissakiSan I have been a cellist for over twenty five years and have played with many orchestras. Carbon fiber is only acceptable for a bow. Carbon fiber instruments are only a cheap alternative and should never be used when concertizing, as they produce an annoying buzzing noise. I recently was in the market for a new instrument and tried one out. UTTERLY ABOMINABLE. The pegbox measurements, all wrong, making the strings unable to stay in tune.
? I dont need your teacher, I can hear it myself. But i replied to "the older the wood the better the sound vibrants" - And THAT IS philosophie and nothing more. When it's dry, it really IS dry and wont loose mass anymore. Never ^^ 100 years dried wood sounds exactly the same as five days dried wood (with the right technology, ask look at Jens Ritter). And yes - Of course you can hear, whether the instrument is made of carbon fiber or doublecooked bullshit or some kind of wood.
The final guy (is he the luthier?) is just totally awesome. He can carve wood, tune an instrument put the bridge, etc etc
Carbon fiber bows to note are amazing....
i got a carbon fiber bow and it is great. I got a one off lesson from a world class cellist and she said it was very nearly as good as hers! To note they are also pretty cheap.
The strings are so tight that they hold the bridge in place. However, if the bridge IS knocked out, it only needs to be replaced and the strings retightened in order to replace the tension on the bridge.
A bass bar is a piece of wood that is attached to the front of the cello on the inside to support the other side of the bridge opposite from the sound post. It runs up and down above and below the bridge.
I am planning on getting one. they are rather expensive though. 6,000 dollars. however my friend has one and it's absolutely incredible and definitely worth the price. It's going to be funny being the only carbon fiber cello in my orchestra.
I so want one!!! I'm a cellist and have played on a couple.
I'm glad these people take pride in their work
Well, the old guy happens to be the one that designed the carbon fiber cello and is an accomplished cellist in the Boston Pops Orchestra and if he plays a note flat, he probably did it on purpose. I only wish I could play half as good as he does.
I used to work for a luthier and so I know how much time it takes to build a $10k instrument. These carbon jobbies cost what they do for a lot of reasons, not the least of which is the tooling that went into making the molds. Do you think the first prototype they made was perfect? I would say that the price is an excellent value. Just because this vid is 10 mins long does not mean that is how long it takes. Businesses gotta survive and no one goes into biz just to be a financial martyr.
sounds really good, and they look sweet if you ask me, very modern sleek style, and its black!
That's what they do on the How It's Made episodes, show a small version of what's being made, unless the thing being made is already small... I'm not sure why...
every professional or any who plays an instrument should know the full scale and playing that only helps warming up if not your performance is gonna be terrible, its like the same thing in sports, you don't warm up you get cramps.
"he slips the wooden sound post into one of the F holes"
lmao!
i like the traditional cello b/c the older the wood the better the sound vibrants.
that sounds really cool! look nifty too.
I'd like to try making a Papier mache cello, also bamboo cello which are more environment frienly!
they dont infuse it, they just use vacuum to remove excess resin which is absorbed into the bleeder material. looks simple and quick to me
wood doesnt rot if its lacquered and varnished..thats why u see old wooden furniture back in like 1800s still alive
@demonbever
That is the same thing I think about it. It doesn't matter if you shoot it and can still play. Only the sound matters.
It's surprising how many comments there are here alleging that the sound quality of carbon fiber instruments is somehow inferior to wood. It can be. Or not. The reality is that a lot of synthetic materials have been used to make instruments that are sonically indistinguishable from wooden instruments. The qualities that made certain woods candidates for use by luthiers are measurable and can be reproduced in synthetics. There's just less romance for those who need to mythologize the practical.
:) he didn't even tell anyone he was in this!!
it wasn't until I was watching the show and I was like "DAD. You were on How It's Made?!?!"
One word.. Beautiful.
That is not the famous Russian cellist. That is Luis Leguia of Luis and Clark. He also is a member of the Boston Symphony cello section
Somewhere in Italy, Stradivari's eye twitched in his grave...
Somewhere in the rest of the world, a thousand engineers are screaming at the screen with ways to better run the process.
00:05 - 00:09 ; 00:20 - 00:23 Those puns gave me gangrene.
That's pretty cool. Someday, they should come out in different colors, or offer customized paint jobs.
@Lekelly93 Your dad does an awesome job! you must be proud of him.
From what I have heard, the carbon fiber cellos are actually much better than comparably priced wooden cello. In fact, members of several professional orchestras use them, including members of the Boston Symphony and the Philadelphia Symphony. Of course they are not going to be as good as Yo-Yo Ma's 2 million dollar cello, but they are pretty darn close. Yo-Yo Ma himself has used one and all the members of the orchestra that played at the Inauguration used carbon fiber instruments.
It doesn't sound terrible, but I would prefer a warmer tone. It does sound eerie though.
The thing is that it's not the age that matters, but the age of it with someone playing it. Having an instrument stored 300 years without playing won't sound as good as and instrument 50 years played every day.
No graduation! Without graduation of the inside, you might as well take a tin can, poke holes and stretch thread over the openings. If this can manage it without graduation, imagine what this would be like with graduation
I want to be a luthier man! That looks so fun. Intensive, but fun.
Wonder what it would sound like with a carbon fiber bridge?
I wondered that too. You can't get more economical than this.
I think this allows more people to learn the instrument. It seems like the construction is simplified. There's only one way to make carbon fiber and incorporate that into a cello so you wouldn't have to buy a cheap one made from wood. Would wooden cellos still be in high demand? Isn't 100 year old wood scarce?
I work in the composites industry.
I wonder why they have such a goofy process?
They hand lay-up the body, then infuse the body, THEN glue the face on the body.
Why don't they just skip the hand-lay up / glue process and just infuse the entire body?
I can't see any reason why they shouldn't do this.
Still, they end up with a beautiful instrument ;D
Listen to Stjepan Hauser and Luka Sulic -Smooth Criminal on Cello!AMAZING
yes it does my friend.
that luthier is my dad!!!!!!!
and I've met that cellist. his name is Louis, and he's pretty cool :)
Really? If so, then your dad is very talented!
I suppose most of the people that use these would use carbon fiber bows as well then, hm? I'd like to try one of the nicer CodaBows to see how they perform (Diamond GX perhaps), but I've found that a pernambuco bow seems to fit my situation nicely for the time being. Any comments on how a good CF plays, I mean the weight and responsiveness.
Well, could the cavity still be there if they infused the entire body? And would the final shape be as consistent? The size of the cavity is very important to the resonance of the instrument.
Waw! the bridge is so complex to be set! no glue!
I know how carbon made guitars are: very good projection, but the sound is much much less sweet, warm and complex than a high quality wood guitar.
It's still better than a lot of cheap wood instrument though.
If you don't mind the "cold", surgical type of sound, why not.
That said, I think there is room for a LOT of improvment in the way those carbon instruments are made.
I actually don't know. I just know about the cellos and other carbon fiber instruments because I am currently in the market for a new viola so I have been doing a lot of research on these instruments. I have not yet gotten to bows, however. Sorry.
It actually sounds good! wow.
@TheLfwjo if they could make a bamboo cello sound like a normal wooden one then i'd pay for one!
but would it cost more?
its true you can ask one of your orchestra teacher at your school or search it up. Plus, can't you tell the difference of sound in cello out of wood and the other made out of carbon fiber?
Is the sound bridge glued on or does it just 'sit' in the body of the guitar held under the tension of the strings?
It doesn't come with a bow. You have to get that some other place. But bows have been made from carbon for quite some time.
Bass
9999 × $12,929
Cello
9999 × $7,139
Viola
9999 × $5,839
Violin
9999 × $5,539
Subtotal: $314,428,554
You're a bit off buddy. It's more like $31,446.
nah thats Luis leguia, one of the inventors of the instrument, though i wish is was rostropovich
@Tonicwine999 it just sits there like a violin bridge.
The cello looks really cool, but I won't change my old wood one with one of these. No way^^
7k but they are amazing instruments and since thay make so few they need some profit.
I just watched parts 1 and 2. did I miss something? Where is the bass bar?
You'd be hard pressed to beat a wooden cello, but carbon-fiber would suit anyone that is learning to play, or is an intermediate player, or someone with too much money that thinks it looks cool. (I'd fit the last category with the exception of the money part of the equation)
*Not talking out of my ass*
Also, for $7,000 (which is what these cost) you can get one hell of a nice wooden cello.
i think these sound better
Does he do all the cellos for Lewis and Clark? If so tell him thanks for making my cello.
@bertdorf4 I think there is one on the L&C website for $12,939 :D
Will you try making Papier mache cello, I am thinking to make it but I do not have a mold.
I want to build a DOUBLE BASS!
Yeah, me too. I would love one, my cello sounds tinny compared to it.
Well, it might actually appeal to a differant crowed of people. Those that don't like the traditional wooden style. I'm probably talking out'a mine as well.
Why the soundpost is positioned under the first string?
Thats beautiful, it would make me want to learn to play the chello just to be able to use it.
The one thing i dont get though...would you not be a bit dissapointed to have an entire chello made of CF only for the bridge piece to be made of wood?
@crabbylotion yep
OMGGG
yay kevin!!!!
i want one
Why is there a model cello being used at the beginning?!
what about the grease pencil marks??????
I want that cello
It would be very hard to get Rostropovich to do it as he died recently.
no wonder they are soo expensive i want one really bad
@JURGMANDR I see now, thanks for the reply
Might have been a Carbon Kevlar
so the sound post is still wooden.
What's a bass bar?
Very interesting. They don't mention a bass bar, jut the sound post. Does this cello have a bass bar?
@KissakiSan Actually, maple, ebony and spruce are not endangered in any way. Your comment is ludicrous. They are some of the most plentiful woods on the planet. The woods used in the making of a stringed instrument are NOT rare in any way. A "rare" cello would be one made by a great luthier, such as Stradivarius or Guarneri del Gesu and yes, instruments made from a master luthier are always better.
lucky youu!! do you play the cello too? :D
the guy playing the cello looks like george karl
"the older the wood the better the sound vibrants"
Nonsense...
i believe it! i have 2 violins of high quality, one from 2015 and one from 1830 and the sound difference is amazing!
Why isn't there a carbon fiber bass yet???
what about us bassists? :(
how about tornadoes?
will they make carbon fiber drums, electric guitar, saxophone?
who's kevin?
i want carbon fiber hood on my white car
@800lbgorilla4 You know that carbon fiber material is pretty costly.....? =[
yo yo ma has one of these
@KissakiSan I have been a cellist for over twenty five years and have played with many orchestras. Carbon fiber is only acceptable for a bow. Carbon fiber instruments are only a cheap alternative and should never be used when concertizing, as they produce an annoying buzzing noise. I recently was in the market for a new instrument and tried one out. UTTERLY ABOMINABLE. The pegbox measurements, all wrong, making the strings unable to stay in tune.
Never mind, I found out the answer.
? I dont need your teacher, I can hear it myself. But i replied to "the older the wood the better the sound vibrants" - And THAT IS philosophie and nothing more. When it's dry, it really IS dry and wont loose mass anymore. Never ^^
100 years dried wood sounds exactly the same as five days dried wood (with the right technology, ask look at Jens Ritter).
And yes - Of course you can hear, whether the instrument is made of carbon fiber or doublecooked bullshit or some kind of wood.
I WANT THAT CELLO NOW! >D
I didn't know hershal played the cello? :P
f holes oh man so funny
alot of work 4 some crappy ass music