I've deleted all of my mods in Tekken 7 because apparently Bandai namco is after the modding community.. Seeing this attitude makes me really sad as this is the same community who helped Bandai Namco when Tekken franchise was considered over after the failure of Tag 2... Bamco's attacks on the modding community is like attacking the person who stood with you in your weakest times when everyone left.. And doing this they are just showing us that they now have achieved success and they don't need us any more.. It's heartbreaking cuz this is the same community who brought this much success to the franchise and modding the game makes it feel new and better.. And modding is the reason why we kept playing Tekken 7 until the very end because it made the game more fun and enjoyable...I hope bamco stops this attitude and gives us the respect we need.. Also I want to thank each and everyone of you because of your love and support.. You guys were always there for me when no one was.. You guys don't know how much seeing a single appreciating comment means to me.. I'll continue hard working to create more entertaining content for you people☺ And lastly I wanna say Eid Mubarak to you all❤ May God Bless everyone of you and fulfill your every wish and make life easier for you 😊
Been watching your content for a while now from when you had a few thousand subs, I knew your channel would grow bigger, you deserve it. Keep up this grind you're putting in. P.s. Are you in general enjoying tekken 8? Personally myself I'm not enjoying it as much as I miss the movement and combo routes in t7, and the massacre of my boy kazuya. Keep up the good work bro.
@@Ryan-vc9ifFF+2 changes nothing regarding this crazy amount of nerfs he took, no he's not better with this nerfs and he wont be better, every higher level player will tell you that kazuya sucks, he has no "crazy" damage as reward, PEWGF does 100DMG with heat in this game, dragunov does it without heat. think twice
"Hey, you know the character that is one of the most complex and hardest characters to play as in the entire roster? Let's make him more harder to play as!"
That's really sad for me ngl, i really interest to play Tekken 8 one day and training with Kazuya and other ones, having my chance and some fun fighting with others.
i mean at least hes a really fun character to play but i would really like a buff to him like i want uf 2 2 again i and also hellsweep 4 4 but the low one also heavens gate then 4 i want that also back wich wasnt that good but i still want it back edit: this might be crazy but what if they brought the thing with uf4 but when someone blocks it he has to keep blocking till it stops just like kings d 3+4 kazuya deserves it OR the double hellsweep you have to block both of them to not get it so its a 50/50 >:) this will make kazyua top tir
@@ommohammad5507 You mean the longer hellsweep he has in T7 story mode battle? I would be all for this to be his heat extension instead of the shitty heaven's gate which is one-dimensional and takes wayyyy too much meter for what it gives, especially after the 1 damage nerf.
Its weird how many classic tools they removed from kaz, king and eddy, but one of my least favorite things is that CD3 does 30 dmg now instead of 40 in TK7, so much less satisfying now
@@rhyanvalk7897 yeah, tho but now hes apparently got fairly low dmg compared to other chars...just make an electrichell lancer thats 45 dmg that cant be done from 31 cance-
tekken 7 kazuya hits like an actual fucking truck if u have the execution.. landing the regular helllsweep into heavens gate without the delay still felt like an accomplishment on p1
Also his fastest mids both have huge downsides. His db1, 2 is a whopping -19 on block. You may be able to get away with it midscreen because of the push back, but there is absolutely none at the wall leaving you totally helpless. Some characters like Jun and Jin can punish midscreen ( f2 with Jun and Jin ff2). It’s only safe in heat because you have the option to heat dash. Also, why is the db1 -10 on block? It’s not hit confirmable either. Baffling. His next fastest is df4. Very similar to ws4 but worse in every way. It is hit confirmable, but doing df 4, 4 leaves you at -4 like ws 4,4. If you just do df 4, you’re only +2 on hit but -9 on block. +2 gets you just a jab maybe not much you can do. Either take the small frame advantage or just lose your turn. All his other mids are way too slow.
Also, in his devil form, for some reason, you can't cancel his cd3 or ff2 lasers, which is kinda confusing considering cd1 have that option. It literally weakens your wall carry, wall breaks and consumes your heat that you desperately need for wall oki. If I'm in the Reina's stage and broke the wall in heat I have to enter combo artist mode with 1,2,4,3 into dash df1,4 or something like 3,1, cd cancel, df3(wall splat) f3 and other unusual stuff. Why he even loses something in the first place? DJ, Jin, Drag and others have remote bomb button which you can't avoid in the neutral and has to play casino if blocked.
All the characters scream much more in Tekken 8 ,both when they take damage and when doing combos to show more vigor(don't do my boi Jin like that c'mon now 😂)
True the only one og that stay with the same strategies etc. But they change him alot, i mean like even jin and other characther have different strategy to play but kazuya still the same and they did him dirty
He's much, much better in Tekken 8. Every single core move he has in Tekken 8 was worse or the same in Tekken 6 (except twin pistons), and he didn't have things like ff2.
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0:33 Being a modder, I have actually checked this out for myself. The hitbox isn't changed at all between Tekken 7 and Tekken 8. Exact same animation, exact same hitbox. There is a difference in combo travel in Tekken 8 however, which is probably why weird things like this happens
You’d think they’d make Kazuya above mid-tier in this game after making him the main villain of the game and being the Tekken rep for Smash who’s top tier in that game
Yeah he doesn’t feel the same at all. Even though the basic mixups are the same, the combos are wayyy too different. I pretty much dropped him entirely
Convinced? Lmao, it’s an objective and observable fact especially when you look at the improvements given to his rival Jin in this game. Kazuya doesn’t get any of Heihachi’s Mishima Styled attacks (multi-hellsweep for ex. which Kaz used in the final battle of T7 story mode) BUT Jin gets some of Jun’s Kazama styled aerial attacks and Lars’ styled low ankle swiping attacks. They’ve rarely respected Kazuya, that’s why I give big props to Smash and SFxT for doing him Justice with regard to tier and story.
@@JayTekken1 Small addition: Kaz also used the hellsweep extensions in the Akuma rooftop fight in story mode. But yes, this should have been his actual heat mode hellsweep, not one-dimensional heaven's gate extension. So many characters get 4D mixups with heat, but Kaz can't have that ofc.
They basically made all the harder characters 10x harder to use and weaker lol while brain dead characters like Feng, Dravonuv, Xiaoyu and king get cheap and easier mechanics
@@drabnail777 You can passively sidewalk that move unless he is in heat. If you feel that threatened by linear mid gapclosers, you need to hit the lab dude.
T7 Devil Kazuya would destroy T8 Kazuya with his MID ELECTRIC -6 on block, 50 damage hell sweep, df1 2 easy mode 15 frame launcher f4 stun on crouch opponent for guaranteed 15f mid moves.
Yeah, he’s just so complex. Sadly, it’s going to be an eternity when Mwkan gets to him. Also, 3:59 that voice clip is so weird. It sounds more like Lars. 😂
Maybe in gameplay, but Kaz's story mode is way better in TK8. TK7 has the worst story mode and what they did to Kazuya and Heihachi's characters was insane. TK8 cleaned all that up.
are you doing dvj next? really curious as to what your thoughts on his nerfed generics and transition to less fundamentals but more gimmicky and damage
A lot of changes about Kazuya in T8 piss me the hell off man, the DF1 being the biggest offender I like 3,1 cancels but removing the triple electric staple combo unless you're slightly off axis hurts my soul
GREAT summary. The df1 hitbox nerf and the heat burst range nerf really limits his combo options, and the damage reward that comes with insane execution. If people with execution want to go for that triple or quad electric combo, the game should be promoting that since Kazuya is all about execution. Actually the damage isn't even that much higher even with quad electric (low 80s) given how difficult that is, but at least making the combo more reliable would be rewarding for those who can pull off quad electric.
idk how new Kazuya players get above 70% win rate. I stopped playing him after hitting 50% with 200 games played. He has some very strong tools to win matches for sure especially against scrubs but still doesn't make up for how inconsistent and limited he is compared to most of the roster. Playing defense and counter attack sucks in a game that massively rewards an offensive playstyle over anything else. Truly a 50/50 character.
Really good video I'm glad more people are starting to question some of the design I genuinely thought I was going insane, you should make one for King imo I think he was also turned into a joke but in the opposite way
Recently went back and tried Kaz in 7 (I'm a Devil Jin main) and goddamn he's so clean. Being centred on electrics just feels good. Doesn't help that electrics got a soft nerf with 8's lack of neutral.
Also the old bound / tail spin system felt so much more natural as attacks happen mostly from a side. Now we have a shitty squirly backflip as combo extender that looks so unnatural and goofy
B2,Df2 should be a move for combos. Literally just take the animation for b2 then the animation for the second hit of df1,df2 and you have given us b2,1 back. No clue why these changes were made lol
More character comparison videos please and also I'd say currently Tekken 8 Kazuya feels like season 1 Kazuya before the buffs to his damage, frames and new moves. In fact CNT Kazuya was much more interesting to watch apart from the broken and long combos.
I see alot of people getting natural hit moves into guaranteed heat engager or follow up move. They could give kazuya f4 that hit stun if they crouch. Give a df1,2
Thank you for this! 😢 I feel happy when people FINALLY stand up for Kazuya. So messed up they way they did him. EDIT: Be sure to have rage turned off for accurate damge (when he's already in devil)
T6 Vanilla and T8 CNT Kazuya: 😈 T6 BR/Launch and T8 CBT/Launch Kazuya: 🤡 Kazuya seems to be a good character in non-existent and early versions of Tekken before launch.
A prime example is when you block Nina's F1+2 from tip range and try punishing with 112. They lied in a patch saying they fixed it but they didn't. They added more costumes for 8 year olds to buy instead.
8s Hitbox in general is baffling to me. Certain moves on animation that should hit wiff, other moves that wiff by a mile in animation confirmed hit. Moves that track the hitbox but don't in animation. Its so weird
They need to make it possible to cancel the B2,2 into a crouch dash, just like 3,1, so with this change DF1 won't whiff during combos all the time and it would bring back his old 3-4x EWGF combo routes that everyone loved in T7, tbh it would buff his neutral game too a tiny bit, bc his pokes s***s(I think). But obviously Kazuya can't have such things.
Yeah they should make 31 CD cancel an actual thing and not something half-assed. Turn it into an actual thing for Kaz to transition into seamless wavedash from moves and center him around this to make him more fluid in combat. This could balance his other nerfs quite well.
smooth brain, try to use some critical thinking for once in your life. He is CLEARLY explaining how he has been nerfed using frame data and actual game knowledge. You dont have this same complaint if he praises the game right?
Bad take. Hes not comparing 1 to 1, he even adds the context of the games like how ws 4 of jin and devil jin is buffed. While kaz gets -4. Tekken has always been a legacy game. This kaz feels wrong tbh. They already nerfed his gameplan as blocking=death on tekken 8. Why did they nerf his tools as well? Its a new game that has more emphasis on offense, kaz has strong 50/50 but he doesnt even have a good 13 frame mid. No 15 frame ws launcher. No easy mode 15 frame punish, they took that away from df1 as well. Why? Ragearts only being -15 is an indirect nerf to him imo.
i'm happy as long as they buff the hit box on heat smash and df1,2 or give back b2,1. i do not think 3,1 loops are very fun to do.... This would open for so many fun combo routes, which i kinda miss. Keyword for me is FUN. Don't care how strong kazuya is, he's just my favorite character and i'll play him anyways.
I’ve been out of tekken for 10 years, maybe ignorance is bliss getting to learn him from what he does have rather than learning him from what he doesn’t have. Ride or die with him!
df1,df2 is inconsistent. What i've found that made the combo more consistent is doing a micro dash after 2 electrics. Like this: Electric; Electric; micro dash; b2,2; df1,df2; 3,1 cd3 (or df1,4 for a better and proper wall carry, then df3+4,1,2 as wall ender). Also try to spam and buffer b2,2 and df1,df2 as fast as you can, even the slightest delay will make you drop the combo.
@@Seacae if i get the time today ill try the microdash, ty. Im not good with execution yet so im not trying to be to fancy, just want a combo that actually works
Standard route is opener into filler into 31 cancel (2 if you're good and perfectly on axis) into df 12 into masku tech (approach after tornado and f4 into ff4 and if they can defend it use hellsweep)
I used to main both Kazuya and Steve.. I think Kazuya's combo is way harder in T8, while still being playable with super high damage. Steve otoh is super nerfed easily from top 5 in T7 to bottom 5 in T8
in tekken 7 his destiny was kill heihachi his father in tekken 8 his destiny is lose vs his song Jin Kazama, So they don't turned kazuya into a joke, this is only lore accuracy XD
dang ive been always wondering why arent people doing df1,f2 i didnt know its not in tk8 i have an idea what if they added the cd+4,1 cd+1 but that is a blue spark that will deal like 5 more dmg than cd+4,1,1 but like if this is broken, make it only accessible on heat something like that?
Another thing worth mentioning imo is tag 2 b41 just being gone from the game. I don't see why the current b4 couldnt just be standing 4 and b41 return
I don't see the point of that particular move in this game when he has so many mid wall splatting options. Current B+4 has huge range and is a very liable punisher against moves with massive pushback like Deathfist. It definitely has its use.
@@leukashot123 What do you mean super good for wall combos? Df+3+4,1,2 is better as a wall ender and db+1,2 is a better move for both midscreen punishment and wall splatting. Even in TTT2 you rarely ever wanted to end your combos with Kaz at the wall. You actually switch him out with EWGF~tag, bound with the other character, fill the gap with the b+3,1 string and have your other character end the combo for maximum dmg.
@@desrtsku yeah but if it was a mid mid decent damage heat engager it would be good for wall combo cashouts with heat into d3+4. Tbh tho bro. Idk. I just want them to make kazuya more enjoyable instead of placing efforts into making him less fun
@@leukashot123 Sounds just like db+1,2, which is (just like I previously said) redundant. Except db+1,2 leads to a ff+4 on heat dash, so what you're asking for is essentially a db+1,2 buff.
Very late, but Eid Mubaarak to you too. Also Kazuya’s weakness is now not limited to Jun. Steal his sneaker collection, threaten to burn them and Kazuya will obey you instead of the Devil.
Was the removal of his fast unblockable really that bad? It gave him an unfair advantage that pretty much no other character had, unless you include Bryan's taunt to b4. It was a very difficult move to react to and he could get big damage out of it between Tekken 6 and Tekken 7 and he already had and still does have a dangerous crouch dash game, considering the options and that's without taking his other key moves into account! He's not exactly useless without the damn thing. I will admit, however, that he has taken quite a toll in terms of damage output and all that. He didn't deserve that at all because it makes him less enjoyable to use and we'd have to work harder for our victories as a result.
They streamlined so many movesets of og characters. Just horrible even steve is not a counterhit character no more, at least give him a shitty shiro combo ffs
As a Kaz main, he is so disappointing to play against all the op and busted characters. All the blame goes to themainmanswe for the nerfs. He was telling since cnt to nerf kazuya, also he made a video that says kazuya is stronger than devil jin, and then hellsweap heavens gate got nerfed to 1 dmg
Grievances with the df1 hitbox being inconsistent and the Heaven's Gate nerf are understandable. Df1 is his bread & butter combo tool, and it has consistency issues for really no reason. Heaven's Gate had scaling issues on Devil Jin, and for whatever reason Namco decided to nerf Kazuya's too. It was basically a middle finger to Kazuya, and now the move is never used in wall combos. Everything else is not really a nerf, and sometimes even a buff. Twin pistons is still the best i13 punish from crouch in the game. Other moves like it were nerfed. The wall carry in Tekken 8 is even better when you consider heat is in the game. It's likely why his carry was toned down, because with heat it'd be absurd. 3,1 loops are also cool. CD 4,4 is used as a wall break. The distance it will break the wall from is quite generous considering it's an unseeable, natural hit low. This was flat out a buff, as CD 4,4 in Tekken 7 was hardly used. The spike knockdown was made techable in Tekken 8 on more than Kaz's db2. Jun had a pretty notorious one at launch, and the devs decided to remove them all entirely. Devil's also less interesting in general, but Kazuya is still strong. Several other characters received nerfs to their CH launchers, hellsweeps, ect... so Kazuya still having things like Df2, CD4, and his combos ending in heat into hard oki is incredibly good.
After ff3 combo starter i use ws1+2 but you need to wait until oponent hit the ground to conect. Its weird but its work. Its better then ss3 because u have alot of time.
Honestly i loved Tekken 8 so much, it was so promising, but with every patch they just seem to be trying to make it bad/less fun, hopefully it changes, it's my fav fighting game franchise.
I've deleted all of my mods in Tekken 7 because apparently Bandai namco is after the modding community.. Seeing this attitude makes me really sad as this is the same community who helped Bandai Namco when Tekken franchise was considered over after the failure of Tag 2...
Bamco's attacks on the modding community is like attacking the person who stood with you in your weakest times when everyone left..
And doing this they are just showing us that they now have achieved success and they don't need us any more.. It's heartbreaking cuz this is the same community who brought this much success to the franchise and modding the game makes it feel new and better.. And modding is the reason why we kept playing Tekken 7 until the very end because it made the game more fun and enjoyable...I hope bamco stops this attitude and gives us the respect we need..
Also I want to thank each and everyone of you because of your love and support.. You guys were always there for me when no one was.. You guys don't know how much seeing a single appreciating comment means to me..
I'll continue hard working to create more entertaining content for you people☺
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they become greedy, they after all the mods because it will affect their battlepass and costume sales, what a shame.
@@sindgami7373exactly 💯
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Been watching your content for a while now from when you had a few thousand subs, I knew your channel would grow bigger, you deserve it. Keep up this grind you're putting in. P.s. Are you in general enjoying tekken 8? Personally myself I'm not enjoying it as much as I miss the movement and combo routes in t7, and the massacre of my boy kazuya. Keep up the good work bro.
Bamco was like
Kazuya is not hard enough to play with, let’s nerf him
except they gave him a demon paw and better oki than he’s ever had. T8 is a better version of kazuya imo.
@@Ryan-vc9ifFF+2 changes nothing regarding this crazy amount of nerfs he took, no he's not better with this nerfs and he wont be better, every higher level player will tell you that kazuya sucks, he has no "crazy" damage as reward, PEWGF does 100DMG with heat in this game, dragunov does it without heat. think twice
@@keyboardabusahFacts
@@keyboardabusahw opinion
@@keyboardabusahAgreed, unless you're Main Man, you'd know how unfair the game is to Kazuya.
"Hey, you know the character that is one of the most complex and hardest characters to play as in the entire roster? Let's make him more harder to play as!"
haha yes
That's really sad for me ngl, i really interest to play Tekken 8 one day and training with Kazuya and other ones, having my chance and some fun fighting with others.
i mean at least hes a really fun character to play but i would really like a buff to him like i want uf 2 2 again i and also hellsweep 4 4 but the low one also heavens gate then 4 i want that also back wich wasnt that good but i still want it back
edit: this might be crazy but what if they brought the thing with uf4 but when someone blocks it he has to keep blocking till it stops just like kings d 3+4 kazuya deserves it OR the double hellsweep you have to block both of them to not get it so its a 50/50 >:) this will make kazyua top tir
just saying hes uf4 Was really fun to use i want it back
@@ommohammad5507 You mean the longer hellsweep he has in T7 story mode battle? I would be all for this to be his heat extension instead of the shitty heaven's gate which is one-dimensional and takes wayyyy too much meter for what it gives, especially after the 1 damage nerf.
Its weird how many classic tools they removed from kaz, king and eddy, but one of my least favorite things is that CD3 does 30 dmg now instead of 40 in TK7, so much less satisfying now
Reason is he can do 3,1 into cd3 so they nerfed the damage to make it pretty much equal
@@rhyanvalk7897 yeah, tho but now hes apparently got fairly low dmg compared to other chars...just make an electrichell lancer thats 45 dmg that cant be done from 31 cance-
Why would you ever do raw hell lancer?
@@smugaladdin8372because f it
@@smugaladdin8372 because, 1. It feels awesome, 2, it had 40 base dmg, and 3, i wasnt good at doing the b31 to ff2 combo ender
tekken 7 kazuya hits like an actual fucking truck if u have the execution.. landing the regular helllsweep into heavens gate without the delay still felt like an accomplishment on p1
Can’t believe they put something i practiced for hours into one extra button press
@@RustyRantsand nerfed it to be 1 damage
Like they couldn’t even give him the same heat bound as every other broken character
The nerf to Kaz's Df1 in Tekken 8 is one of the most baffling design decisions I have ever seen, apart from the whole Devil Jin system change nerf
Fr, it was already a bad df1 cuz it's -9 on block and a 15 frame, but for some reason they had to make it even worse
What’s wrong with dvj?
@@Mironderrrhe is talking about the general heavens gate nerf that also nerfed kaz heavens gate combo ender dmg
@@Peter-zq8pw now I get it. This nerf is really bad
@@Mironderrr yup nerfing the system instead of a character... just laziness
You forgot to mention the changes to the unblockable, god I miss doing that at the wall
Also his fastest mids both have huge downsides. His db1, 2 is a whopping -19 on block. You may be able to get away with it midscreen because of the push back, but there is absolutely none at the wall leaving you totally helpless. Some characters like Jun and Jin can punish midscreen ( f2 with Jun and Jin ff2). It’s only safe in heat because you have the option to heat dash. Also, why is the db1 -10 on block? It’s not hit confirmable either. Baffling.
His next fastest is df4. Very similar to ws4 but worse in every way. It is hit confirmable, but doing df 4, 4 leaves you at -4 like ws 4,4. If you just do df 4, you’re only +2 on hit but -9 on block. +2 gets you just a jab maybe not much you can do. Either take the small frame advantage or just lose your turn.
All his other mids are way too slow.
I miss b2,1 so much lol
same
Best combo extender of all time.
You don't even need other screw moves. Just b2,1
Bro i just autopilot and whenever i get a low electric my brain just goes "b2" and now i can't do sh*t except end the string
@@ultralowspekken same feelsbadman
Yes spread kazuya awareness
Also, in his devil form, for some reason, you can't cancel his cd3 or ff2 lasers, which is kinda confusing considering cd1 have that option. It literally weakens your wall carry, wall breaks and consumes your heat that you desperately need for wall oki. If I'm in the Reina's stage and broke the wall in heat I have to enter combo artist mode with 1,2,4,3 into dash df1,4 or something like 3,1, cd cancel, df3(wall splat) f3 and other unusual stuff.
Why he even loses something in the first place? DJ, Jin, Drag and others have remote bomb button which you can't avoid in the neutral and has to play casino if blocked.
Just buff the df1 hitbox, bring back the cnt heat smash hitbox and hes FIXED bruh
Jab, df1, 31, and heat burst range and I'd be satisfied. 4 electrics into heat burst should be possible and consistent on all characters.
All i've noticed was Jin screaming like a b*t*h in T8 unlike T7 which was perfect 😂
All the characters scream much more in Tekken 8 ,both when they take damage and when doing combos to show more vigor(don't do my boi Jin like that c'mon now 😂)
the one dude they didnt need to change bro fr
True the only one og that stay with the same strategies etc. But they change him alot, i mean like even jin and other characther have different strategy to play but kazuya still the same and they did him dirty
Kazuya now feels like how we was in Tekken 6 but way worse
He's much, much better in Tekken 8. Every single core move he has in Tekken 8 was worse or the same in Tekken 6 (except twin pistons), and he didn't have things like ff2.
Did you make the drawing on the right side of the thumbnail? XD
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0:33 Being a modder, I have actually checked this out for myself. The hitbox isn't changed at all between Tekken 7 and Tekken 8. Exact same animation, exact same hitbox. There is a difference in combo travel in Tekken 8 however, which is probably why weird things like this happens
It doesn't matter if it's the same, if it doesn't work it doesn't
@@mr.ddhemmalshehri5611 It does matter, for with Kazuya, Devil is in the details
mwkan speaking straight up FACTS
I remember picking him in 8 during cnt for the first time and going off memory, lack of b2,1 was baffling and still is
Also they removed his fast unblockable which was so good at the wall
It was kind of bs at times but then again so is taunt at wall
I hate when they make twin piston into mini combo launcher back then we can do pretty much thing with twin piston
Kazuya is the goat , no matter how much they nerf him ,i'll never drop him
This hurts me watching and pisses me off. They nerfed him into a joke of a Mishima.
Kazuya mains, we're screwed until they buff him.
You’d think they’d make Kazuya above mid-tier in this game after making him the main villain of the game and being the Tekken rep for Smash who’s top tier in that game
No, instead they made the main protagonist a braindead one button electric machine.
I dont understand how they buff devil jins WS4 but leave kazuya at -4. Im shocked
Different characters need different moves, and right now DJ accepts all the help he can get haha
yeah i dropped this character almost entirely. so much time invested, so much dedication, and its just not worth it at all
Yeah he doesn’t feel the same at all. Even though the basic mixups are the same, the combos are wayyy too different. I pretty much dropped him entirely
I'm convinced they're making Kazuya bad on purpose.
Convinced? Lmao, it’s an objective and observable fact especially when you look at the improvements given to his rival Jin in this game. Kazuya doesn’t get any of Heihachi’s Mishima Styled attacks (multi-hellsweep for ex. which Kaz used in the final battle of T7 story mode) BUT Jin gets some of Jun’s Kazama styled aerial attacks and Lars’ styled low ankle swiping attacks. They’ve rarely respected Kazuya, that’s why I give big props to Smash and SFxT for doing him Justice with regard to tier and story.
@@JayTekken1 Small addition: Kaz also used the hellsweep extensions in the Akuma rooftop fight in story mode.
But yes, this should have been his actual heat mode hellsweep, not one-dimensional heaven's gate extension. So many characters get 4D mixups with heat, but Kaz can't have that ofc.
@@hellhuckerhenry6950 it’s infuriating, I gotta get arthritis playing Kaz in T8 to stand up against this cast of aggressive rushdown characters.
@otdreamer193IRONFIST-yx6gn Right, that’s the problem.
they had 2 beta test of this and they still didn't fix a damn thing
blame the fanboys the nonstop praised this game before launch and didnt report to namco the issues they experienced. Tekken fans ruined tekken
one combo I found after a bit of pratice was 2 ewgf, df 3,2,1. dash. 3,1,df,3 if I remember it does like 74
update, it carries to the walls of stages that are 28 long and you can end the combo with df 3+4,1,2
They basically made all the harder characters 10x harder to use and weaker lol while brain dead characters like Feng, Dravonuv, Xiaoyu and king get cheap and easier mechanics
Well they did give kaz a braindead demonpaw that let's you control neutral from the end of map, and enforce a 50/50 if you were a little closer
@@drabnail777 You can passively sidewalk that move unless he is in heat. If you feel that threatened by linear mid gapclosers, you need to hit the lab dude.
T7 Devil Kazuya would destroy T8 Kazuya with his MID ELECTRIC -6 on block, 50 damage hell sweep, df1 2 easy mode 15 frame launcher f4 stun on crouch opponent for guaranteed 15f mid moves.
T7 Devil kazuya could match Tekken 8 dragunov
This made me miss Tekken 7 😢
I hope everyone comes back 😅
2:59 strange how hwoarang keeps his while kazuya doesn’t. 🤔
Hwoarang is also sleeper OP currently, much stronger than Drag imo and ppl completely ignore him.
Yeah, he’s just so complex. Sadly, it’s going to be an eternity when Mwkan gets to him.
Also, 3:59 that voice clip is so weird. It sounds more like Lars. 😂
Maybe in gameplay, but Kaz's story mode is way better in TK8. TK7 has the worst story mode and what they did to Kazuya and Heihachi's characters was insane. TK8 cleaned all that up.
are you doing dvj next? really curious as to what your thoughts on his nerfed generics and transition to less fundamentals but more gimmicky and damage
😭😭😭 from a 176 touch of death combo to having the bare minimum in a game full of freaks
Me now watching this after the 1.05 Tekken 8 patch:
A lot of changes about Kazuya in T8 piss me the hell off man, the DF1 being the biggest offender
I like 3,1 cancels but removing the triple electric staple combo unless you're slightly off axis hurts my soul
GREAT summary. The df1 hitbox nerf and the heat burst range nerf really limits his combo options, and the damage reward that comes with insane execution. If people with execution want to go for that triple or quad electric combo, the game should be promoting that since Kazuya is all about execution. Actually the damage isn't even that much higher even with quad electric (low 80s) given how difficult that is, but at least making the combo more reliable would be rewarding for those who can pull off quad electric.
Kaz at this point has mediocre combo damage and slightly above average combo dmg with maximum execution (double 31 cancel into df1-2 and masku tech)
I was dumb thinking this was gonna be able kazuyas role in the story
I didn’t even think about his gameplay itself
Its insane how bad t7 looks compared to t8
its insane how bad t8 is compared to t7
@@101mrcrazyman i think this is well worth not having to play against 2d characters be for real
@@RealJohnBalls you are right in that regard
@@101mrcrazyman based
ngl I like t7 visuals better lol
idk how new Kazuya players get above 70% win rate. I stopped playing him after hitting 50% with 200 games played. He has some very strong tools to win matches for sure especially against scrubs but still doesn't make up for how inconsistent and limited he is compared to most of the roster. Playing defense and counter attack sucks in a game that massively rewards an offensive playstyle over anything else. Truly a 50/50 character.
By getting good that's the unfortunate answer
Really good video I'm glad more people are starting to question some of the design I genuinely thought I was going insane, you should make one for King imo I think he was also turned into a joke but in the opposite way
I started playing tekken for the first time at the end of T7 maining kazuya, why did I do that
Recently went back and tried Kaz in 7 (I'm a Devil Jin main) and goddamn he's so clean. Being centred on electrics just feels good. Doesn't help that electrics got a soft nerf with 8's lack of neutral.
Also the old bound / tail spin system felt so much more natural as attacks happen mostly from a side. Now we have a shitty squirly backflip as combo extender that looks so unnatural and goofy
B2,Df2 should be a move for combos. Literally just take the animation for b2 then the animation for the second hit of df1,df2 and you have given us b2,1 back. No clue why these changes were made lol
Ojala que en la próxima actualización de tekken 8 mejoren a los personajes como kazuya
More character comparison videos please and also I'd say currently Tekken 8 Kazuya feels like season 1 Kazuya before the buffs to his damage, frames and new moves. In fact CNT Kazuya was much more interesting to watch apart from the broken and long combos.
Why do you call the tornado flips bound? Bound is from Tekken 6 and TT2.
kaz mains eating lean for the next 5 years, pretty sad. Still main him any day tho
I see alot of people getting natural hit moves into guaranteed heat engager or follow up move. They could give kazuya f4 that hit stun if they crouch. Give a df1,2
Thank you for this! 😢 I feel happy when people FINALLY stand up for Kazuya. So messed up they way they did him. EDIT: Be sure to have rage turned off for accurate damge (when he's already in devil)
Doing Perfect wind fist is painfully enough for me he already feels limited on options 😭
I miss cd1 wall combo so much. Not only on devil jin but on kazuya too
T6 Vanilla and T8 CNT Kazuya: 😈
T6 BR/Launch and T8 CBT/Launch Kazuya: 🤡
Kazuya seems to be a good character in non-existent and early versions of Tekken before launch.
Im late but his jab range in 8 is horrendous 112 whiffs sometimes leaving you to eat a unnecessary punisb
A prime example is when you block Nina's F1+2 from tip range and try punishing with 112. They lied in a patch saying they fixed it but they didn't. They added more costumes for 8 year olds to buy instead.
Rest in peace Kazuya.
8s Hitbox in general is baffling to me. Certain moves on animation that should hit wiff, other moves that wiff by a mile in animation confirmed hit. Moves that track the hitbox but don't in animation. Its so weird
That death combo at the end has me shocked
They need to make it possible to cancel the B2,2 into a crouch dash, just like 3,1, so with this change DF1 won't whiff during combos all the time and it would bring back his old 3-4x EWGF combo routes that everyone loved in T7, tbh it would buff his neutral game too a tiny bit, bc his pokes s***s(I think). But obviously Kazuya can't have such things.
Yeah they should make 31 CD cancel an actual thing and not something half-assed. Turn it into an actual thing for Kaz to transition into seamless wavedash from moves and center him around this to make him more fluid in combat. This could balance his other nerfs quite well.
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also to mention kazuya was a damage/comeback machine and they nerfed his damge alot too :(
New game, new whiff, new moves... like bro everyone is different its a new game
smooth brain, try to use some critical thinking for once in your life. He is CLEARLY explaining how he has been nerfed using frame data and actual game knowledge. You dont have this same complaint if he praises the game right?
Bad take. Hes not comparing 1 to 1, he even adds the context of the games like how ws 4 of jin and devil jin is buffed. While kaz gets -4.
Tekken has always been a legacy game. This kaz feels wrong tbh. They already nerfed his gameplan as blocking=death on tekken 8. Why did they nerf his tools as well?
Its a new game that has more emphasis on offense, kaz has strong 50/50 but he doesnt even have a good 13 frame mid. No 15 frame ws launcher. No easy mode 15 frame punish, they took that away from df1 as well. Why? Ragearts only being -15 is an indirect nerf to him imo.
Another corpo bootlicker
If you think about it, his hellsweep has gone from 55 too 20 something because of recoverable health
His df1 f2 was replaced by the T6 version of df1 2
they keep nerfing him for some reason, they forgor he's the real main character
Now I get why Main Man doesn’t do df2 electrics no more.
i'm happy as long as they buff the hit box on heat smash and df1,2 or give back b2,1. i do not think 3,1 loops are very fun to do.... This would open for so many fun combo routes, which i kinda miss.
Keyword for me is FUN. Don't care how strong kazuya is, he's just my favorite character and i'll play him anyways.
I’ve been out of tekken for 10 years, maybe ignorance is bliss getting to learn him from what he does have rather than learning him from what he doesn’t have. Ride or die with him!
Whats a standard route for combos? I cant get df1,2 to be consistend unless i cut the combo short :/
that's what the main problem is with kaz
df1,df2 is inconsistent.
What i've found that made the combo more consistent is doing a micro dash after 2 electrics. Like this:
Electric; Electric; micro dash; b2,2; df1,df2; 3,1 cd3 (or df1,4 for a better and proper wall carry, then df3+4,1,2 as wall ender).
Also try to spam and buffer b2,2 and df1,df2 as fast as you can, even the slightest delay will make you drop the combo.
@@Seacae if i get the time today ill try the microdash, ty. Im not good with execution yet so im not trying to be to fancy, just want a combo that actually works
Standard route is opener into filler into 31 cancel (2 if you're good and perfectly on axis) into df 12 into masku tech (approach after tornado and f4 into ff4 and if they can defend it use hellsweep)
FIrst few weeks of Tekken 8: :D
2 months after release: 😐
Thanks 4 The Video - I Hope They Revert Kazuya Back To His GLORY 🔥🔥
I was happy about T8's Kazuya ewgf range buff but that was the only thing they buffed I think...they took away most of its dominating damage moves.
I used to main both Kazuya and Steve.. I think Kazuya's combo is way harder in T8, while still being playable with super high damage. Steve otoh is super nerfed easily from top 5 in T7 to bottom 5 in T8
in tekken 7 his destiny was kill heihachi his father
in tekken 8 his destiny is lose vs his song Jin Kazama,
So they don't turned kazuya into a joke, this is only lore accuracy XD
dang ive been always wondering why arent people doing df1,f2 i didnt know its not in tk8
i have an idea what if they added the cd+4,1 cd+1 but that is a blue spark that will deal like 5 more dmg than cd+4,1,1 but like if this is broken, make it only accessible on heat something like that?
I use to get a lot of wins in T7 off of his cd 3+4 (combat roll attack) because it combo. Not anymore smh, it only steel pedal kicked now.
Another thing worth mentioning imo is tag 2 b41 just being gone from the game. I don't see why the current b4 couldnt just be standing 4 and b41 return
I don't see the point of that particular move in this game when he has so many mid wall splatting options.
Current B+4 has huge range and is a very liable punisher against moves with massive pushback like Deathfist. It definitely has its use.
@@desrtsku well since they want to kill his wall combos I guess it doesnt really have a place since it was super good for wall combos
@@leukashot123 What do you mean super good for wall combos? Df+3+4,1,2 is better as a wall ender and db+1,2 is a better move for both midscreen punishment and wall splatting.
Even in TTT2 you rarely ever wanted to end your combos with Kaz at the wall. You actually switch him out with EWGF~tag, bound with the other character, fill the gap with the b+3,1 string and have your other character end the combo for maximum dmg.
@@desrtsku yeah but if it was a mid mid decent damage heat engager it would be good for wall combo cashouts with heat into d3+4. Tbh tho bro. Idk. I just want them to make kazuya more enjoyable instead of placing efforts into making him less fun
@@leukashot123 Sounds just like db+1,2, which is (just like I previously said) redundant. Except db+1,2 leads to a ff+4 on heat dash, so what you're asking for is essentially a db+1,2 buff.
Good old Kazuya Days 😎 never gets Old in my Mind !!! I was a Beast with Him !! And now when i play him in T8 it feels like i play FAKEZUYA 🤦
Very late, but Eid Mubaarak to you too.
Also Kazuya’s weakness is now not limited to Jun. Steal his sneaker collection, threaten to burn them and Kazuya will obey you instead of the Devil.
Bamko and Capcom need to follow the example of Valve. Listening to the community
I miss the df 12, made for a good punish for -15
And now good luck launching a rage art unless you're in heat.
He's still a pretty strong character
Was the removal of his fast unblockable really that bad? It gave him an unfair advantage that pretty much no other character had, unless you include Bryan's taunt to b4. It was a very difficult move to react to and he could get big damage out of it between Tekken 6 and Tekken 7 and he already had and still does have a dangerous crouch dash game, considering the options and that's without taking his other key moves into account! He's not exactly useless without the damn thing. I will admit, however, that he has taken quite a toll in terms of damage output and all that. He didn't deserve that at all because it makes him less enjoyable to use and we'd have to work harder for our victories as a result.
Tekken 8 is the game where u get punished for blocking
Well, maybe I'm bad player, but when i fight against Kaz in T8 online in red ranks, it's always very hard
They streamlined so many movesets of og characters. Just horrible even steve is not a counterhit character no more, at least give him a shitty shiro combo ffs
As a Kaz main, he is so disappointing to play against all the op and busted characters. All the blame goes to themainmanswe for the nerfs. He was telling since cnt to nerf kazuya, also he made a video that says kazuya is stronger than devil jin, and then hellsweap heavens gate got nerfed to 1 dmg
Kinda funny that Law got a tk8 version of his tk7 b2,1 but Kazuya couldn’t get it for his?
law's is trash now not natural combo, -15, it used to be a good wallsplat tool its trash nox
@@tiger-rgngets one tool nerfed, start crying. Go try Kazuya then we'll hear u out.
@@mr.ddhemmalshehri5611 yeah lmao he can now true combo hitconfirm his string bs what is he even saying
I think Kazuya in T8 was way stronger than his T7 counterpart, until the last patch (Heaven's Gate 1 damage lol).
Grievances with the df1 hitbox being inconsistent and the Heaven's Gate nerf are understandable. Df1 is his bread & butter combo tool, and it has consistency issues for really no reason. Heaven's Gate had scaling issues on Devil Jin, and for whatever reason Namco decided to nerf Kazuya's too. It was basically a middle finger to Kazuya, and now the move is never used in wall combos. Everything else is not really a nerf, and sometimes even a buff.
Twin pistons is still the best i13 punish from crouch in the game. Other moves like it were nerfed.
The wall carry in Tekken 8 is even better when you consider heat is in the game. It's likely why his carry was toned down, because with heat it'd be absurd. 3,1 loops are also cool.
CD 4,4 is used as a wall break. The distance it will break the wall from is quite generous considering it's an unseeable, natural hit low. This was flat out a buff, as CD 4,4 in Tekken 7 was hardly used.
The spike knockdown was made techable in Tekken 8 on more than Kaz's db2. Jun had a pretty notorious one at launch, and the devs decided to remove them all entirely.
Devil's also less interesting in general, but Kazuya is still strong. Several other characters received nerfs to their CH launchers, hellsweeps, ect... so Kazuya still having things like Df2, CD4, and his combos ending in heat into hard oki is incredibly good.
ah... i still miss my guy :(
After ff3 combo starter i use ws1+2 but you need to wait until oponent hit the ground to conect. Its weird but its work. Its better then ss3 because u have alot of time.
His combo options are much more boring T8 with only the 3,1 cancels
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Honestly i loved Tekken 8 so much, it was so promising, but with every patch they just seem to be trying to make it bad/less fun, hopefully it changes, it's my fav fighting game franchise.
The second hit of cd 44 is useless unless you are at wall