Yep, they’re of morons. Just play the game for the sake of the game. I miss arcades cause people had more respect, namely because you can’t hide behind a screen.
Once i saw yoshi's introduction trailer in this game, i knew he'd be top tier. After watching a few matches...i figured he was around S-tier before it started becoming obvious. Arslan is already nosing around him now. I've been a yoshi player too and always felt he lacked something. Not in this game
Whenever I play Yoshi its just the voices in my head going "Do f,f1+4 it'll be hilarious just do it just do it." Fighting a 1v2 and the 2nd opponent is the intrusive thoughts
So happy to see you talking about this! In any fighting game, once you reach the level where your opponents start to read and predict you, it's really important to understand that sometimes the timing at which you do an option is as or sometimes more important than what option you actually pick. If your opponent doesn't know what option you're going to pick, but knows the timing that you pick an option at, it makes their defense and offense so much easier. Keep up the great content Phi :)
A lot of timing reads and mind games is intuitive. Same in martial arts. You have to train to do it without thinking because if you're thinking about it in a match, it's already too slow and you'll lose.
Yoshi's great, you either get the insane Yoshi's doing stuff you'd never even think about thinking about and its great, or you get one that's playing carefully and with fundamentals, which makes him look sick
PhiDX: "schizo brilliantly predicted the opponent's delayed timing, so he delayed his heal to switch into flea stance and catch the immediate heat smash" Schizo: "lol fuck it what if I jumped over this dude"
The one thing I felt the difference between eyemusician and schizophrenic Yoshi is eyemusician's combos and playstyle are very formal while shizo trained himself by fuck and find out method and plays like fuck it we ball....
Got a TK, and the concept of splitting the timing into 3(.5) categories... Damn, so simple and obvious but changes how you view the game SO HARD. Thanks Phi
Sin's fundamentals really are super good. His Yoshi is different from pretty much everyone else. It looks like he learned the character by actually playing the game instead of regurgitating TH-cam videos.
Its important to note that at 12:01 Yoshi's f1+2 will catch side step left. Definitely a hard counter to Kkokkama's attempted positioning there. Sick video man thank you 🍻
Unrelated detail i noticed but when sin got him to the wall on game 2 round 1, he also did three homing moves in a row to lock him down from stepping away from the wall before going for the unblockable. Probably made the tech roll seem more risky and subconsciously conditioned the get up kick. Not to mention the tech rolls he caught at the wall earlier.
it also feels like Flash makes immediate timings so dangerous vs Yoshi. Flash on -2/-3 makes any opponent hesitate which opens Yoshi's gameplan so much
Gave you a shoutout on a Facebook page for tekken 8. Thank you for the training videos. I’m definitely improving with Lidia. My throw escapes are getting better too. I finally got to red ranks today
It’s crazy how applicable & insightful your videos are to newcomers into the fgc and long time sweats like myself. Love everything you put out brother keep it up 🤙
"and what does Sin do now?.....he sidesteps" fuking hype, felt shivers from it, Phi you are a master at dissecting plays and making them interesting and engaging to see and understand
the problem with analysis is that you know the result already. there is no way the yoshi player incentived anything from the dragonuv player (im talking about Phi’s comment at 10:51), most players come in with a plan irrespective of what the opponent and feel it out. If the end result was Kkokoma winning by a sliver, the conclusion and analysis would be completely different. And if Phi Dx commentated this match in real time, the analysis would be completely different than watching it back. Sin could be just changing his timing as a strategy to mix his game up, irrespective of what KKokokoma was doing.
I think I agree with you. At 9:14 , Phi says this is the first instance of Sin cashing out on Kkokoma’s delay timing sidestep . I disagree. It so happens that F+1+2 with Yoshi hit, but I think Sin was just looking to use that move as soon as possible since he had low life and was in heat. He did not have a read on KKokoma. And KKokoma I don’t think was trying to delay anything here, all he did was sidestep first to get away from the wall and better position himself so he got clipped by Yoshi’s f+1+2. If they weren’t against the wall, KKokoma probably wouldn’t have sidestepped at all. There was no hard read here. Also, just because someone has been doing delay timing most of the round, that doesn’t mean or guarantee they will do delay timing towards the end of the round or the entire round.
As someone who doesn't play Tekken but loves watching the competitive circuit, must say i love this video bro, considering that I don't understand most of the terminology I loved that you took the time to give explanations. Deff got a new subscriber out of me.❤❤
I'm really happy you covered this guy! I watched Lil Majin's vid earlier and it was the first time I'd seen Sin's Yoshi... and, I was left speechless. This guy's gameplay was STELLAR.
Jesus... I'm an old timer Tekken player that has always just played for fun, in single and multiplayer, and i guess, i could be described as just a naturally intuitive tekken player, (i'm just now learning the more technical aspects, as concepts to actively be mindful of, where as before i would just intuitively act on them, without even realizing it as a concept), but as i watch more videos on Teken and especially younger Tekken players, the more i realize how much of a, dare i say, science and art form component, there is, especially at high level competitive scene. Sometimes, when i listen to really "nerdy" Tekken players talk, i get this feeling like, "Dude... You sound like people need a PHD just to play this game". They really know their stuff man. It's kinda impressive. Personally, i'm more just, "ME LIKE PUNCH AND KICK FACE ARGH".
What's sick is the best players practice and internalize everything so that it becomes instinct. Then in-game, it really is "me like punch and kick" LOL
@@PhiDX Yes! It's very impressive! I really admire such people :) Just found your channel and now i'm binge watching it haha xD I really like your analysis and breakdowns!
Yoshi has had really solid footsies and counterpoke options even since T7 but now he's on another level with his buffed sword moves and extra mix. His 11, 21 and snake edge in NSS are annoying to deal with let alone all his other tools like flash, poison spit and especially spins that let him escape otherwise guaranteed pressure. If played with a killer mindset Yoshi is a very scary character.
@@saafff5465true, but Eyemusician fundamentals are just as strong as those two. Last time he was really active, he was beating Pakistan players pretty convincingly.
Incredible from the perspective of a novice as to how these players may be thinking. I would love to hear an explanation of what may be going through the head of the loser, or how the odds are just working against the loser.
I play Yoshimitsu because he makes me do shit that makes him do shit that makes me laugh which makes the opponent make stupid decisions. It's like having a method to madness.
0:18 Brother, you've just described half of the players in red rank I've faced in the past month who all happen to be playing Yoshi. They ain't playin' around, they here to milk that flash and win. 😅
The first and only Tekken game I played(forgot which one it is) I was a Yoshi main. I just liked the cool samurai-isk design and I'm a sucker for swords. Next in line was king.
i mean think of a yoshi thats a tryhard troll, pure will power, learns how to use all troll moves efficiently for each character, has the meta combos down, he's a monster you dont wanna mess with.
You see a severe diference of move set from a serious gameplay of Yoshimitsu, any desperate attempt of auto stabbing, venomous breath, just straight cuts
My favorite Yoshi move is back to opponent, Indian Stance, Cannon (3) and slam into a wall. Repeat ad nauseum.... No wonder I'm still Brawler rank. lol.
My dream as a Yoshi main is to see two Yoshi mains make it into finals and then do nothing but spin on their sword. I'd love to see the reaction on Harada's face lol.
Yoshi Bryan Dragon nerfs are needed. I know it’s impossible to balance out a game that’s as big as Tekken with as many characters but there’s some changes we need made.
13:55 ''yoshi need nerfs'' says someone in chat after that hard af read from SIN (the previous match as well reads after reads after reads), seriously some of yall just wanna complain to hear yourselves complain
“What happens if a yoshimitsu player dont let the yoshimitsu mind creep in” thank god this is impossible. As defined in the bible of tekken by harada: if a yoshimitsu haven’t stabbed himself or n the last 30 seconds, he will in fact activate their yoshi chip implanted in their brain and explode the players brain in t-10 seconds. Its the law. Its the entanglement of neurons that every yoshi player shares.
trolling is just 'hiding your power level' + knowledge checking hiding your power level is fine knowledge checking is fine but together its trolling? It depends on how mindful and if you are intending to deceive or not, that makes it work or not.
I'm very new to Tekken and didn't understand the timing masterclass explanation. It seems like maybe there's a R/P/S thing going on, but I don't understand what options delay timing beats?
It would simply work, Yoshi is very strong and solid in T8, you can either choose to play him as your average "schizo" or fundamentally, works both ways... (y'all know which one we pickin).
"wouldn't it be funny if i hit this move" is my entire gameplan as yoshimitsu
yes
This is the way
Yep, they’re of morons. Just play the game for the sake of the game. I miss arcades cause people had more respect, namely because you can’t hide behind a screen.
Wait, you guys make gameplan? I just press random buttons and Yoshi go wheeeee!
I spin go dizz and get bizzy. Idea none, all I do is spin spin spin, no matter what, spinning sword I'll never give it up.
Yoshimitsu, the character where intruisive thoughts are the norm
Like Voldo from Soul Caliber. Voldo as a character is funny and squirrelly but a serious voldo player is fucking terrifying
@@CooleyHigh20funny thing how Voldo and Yoshimitsu are random movement characters and both are a rival to each other
I’m not gonna sugarcoat it: d+1+4
Yoshimitsu players:
This move is so stupid... But hitting it would make my career worth it
Interviews SIN:
SIN: "I wasn't thinking I just threw out the hop knee"
that move is my lifeblood
I did not say that hahahaha
It'd be funny if Yoshi turned out to be by far the strongest character, only held back because no one plays him seriously
God I hope not. I've always been a yoshi player sinve T1 and the underestimating us is one of our greatest strengths lol
Us Yoshi mains have waited many many years for a Yoshi this strong 🤣
I mean, he is possibly top 5 right now.
Once i saw yoshi's introduction trailer in this game, i knew he'd be top tier. After watching a few matches...i figured he was around S-tier before it started becoming obvious. Arslan is already nosing around him now. I've been a yoshi player too and always felt he lacked something. Not in this game
he already is lol top 5 atleast
You know it's serious when you don't even see a flash
Why do I hear boss music?
@@Iwatoda_Dormreina stage theme starts playing
lmao
lol huh? There were a minimum of like 5 flashes. Unless yoshi has another move that looks like flash? Am I trippin? Lol
first 3 seconds of the match
Whenever I play Yoshi its just the voices in my head going "Do f,f1+4 it'll be hilarious just do it just do it." Fighting a 1v2 and the 2nd opponent is the intrusive thoughts
Big fax😂
And when it whiffs it's s like Tastey Steve in your ear.... "Do it again"
After I got eliminated in a local by trying a harakiri, you bet I'm gonna try it again next month.
So happy to see you talking about this! In any fighting game, once you reach the level where your opponents start to read and predict you, it's really important to understand that sometimes the timing at which you do an option is as or sometimes more important than what option you actually pick. If your opponent doesn't know what option you're going to pick, but knows the timing that you pick an option at, it makes their defense and offense so much easier. Keep up the great content Phi :)
As a Yoshi main if he got a damage nerf i wouldnt mind but god i would miss these kinds of interactions.
I dont mind also guard break. Never been a fan of guard breaks. Hate Paul Shaheen and Steve's also.
@@unimpatientMe too brother but i also hate a character that can break the rules. Yoshi
@@αλεξηςπεγιαδης my fav kind of character.
@@unimpatient I accept your opinion. What do you like to play as a side character?
@@αλεξηςπεγιαδης Lei is... was my main. Yoshi is the side.
A lot of timing reads and mind games is intuitive. Same in martial arts. You have to train to do it without thinking because if you're thinking about it in a match, it's already too slow and you'll lose.
It's really cool to notice the actual similarities in execution between fighting games and real martial arts. The mental factor really is similar.
@@TheGenchannelalso real fighting has A LOT of footsies. Whoever can read the ranges better usually has a huge advantage.
Funny enough (i practice boxing and play tekken) when i feel like my boxing is getting better, i become better in tekken almost magically
Yoshi's great, you either get the insane Yoshi's doing stuff you'd never even think about thinking about and its great, or you get one that's playing carefully and with fundamentals, which makes him look sick
i pray for the day when phi analyzes schizophrenic69's yoshi 😔
He makes EyeMusician look like Saint. That man is NOT ok and I love it
PhiDX: "schizo brilliantly predicted the opponent's delayed timing, so he delayed his heal to switch into flea stance and catch the immediate heat smash"
Schizo: "lol fuck it what if I jumped over this dude"
The one thing I felt the difference between eyemusician and schizophrenic Yoshi is eyemusician's combos and playstyle are very formal while shizo trained himself by fuck and find out method and plays like fuck it we ball....
I hope
Got a TK, and the concept of splitting the timing into 3(.5) categories...
Damn, so simple and obvious but changes how you view the game SO HARD.
Thanks Phi
Sin's fundamentals really are super good. His Yoshi is different from pretty much everyone else. It looks like he learned the character by actually playing the game instead of regurgitating TH-cam videos.
Bro's Piloting Mahoraga at this point.
Yo Phi. Your videos always push me to strive for greatness. No one talks as poetically about Tekken as you do. Keep it up!
Its important to note that at 12:01 Yoshi's f1+2 will catch side step left. Definitely a hard counter to Kkokkama's attempted positioning there.
Sick video man thank you 🍻
4:34 he said Delay timing-ing 😂🤣😂
As a yoshi main, Happy to see the yoshi content 🎉🎉🎉
bro i fucking LOVE watching eyemusician because he does the funniest things on Yoshi, it's a great showcase of the character's wackiness
wait until this guy hears about schizo lol
@@wewel5949 schizophrenic69? ill have to check them out
loving your fight breakdowns.
Unrelated detail i noticed but when sin got him to the wall on game 2 round 1, he also did three homing moves in a row to lock him down from stepping away from the wall before going for the unblockable. Probably made the tech roll seem more risky and subconsciously conditioned the get up kick. Not to mention the tech rolls he caught at the wall earlier.
My yoshi brain That "Wouldnt it be funny" goes into every character i play
I dono haven't got that far yet
😂😂😂😂
@@yovents6877don't even try, you won't
That card is from a bandai TCG called "Union Arena". Not even out in north america just yet.
19:10 Phi heard is inner Speedkicks saying "Bro, you are overthinking this"
it also feels like Flash makes immediate timings so dangerous vs Yoshi. Flash on -2/-3 makes any opponent hesitate which opens Yoshi's gameplan so much
That intro, while super funny, is just so accurate haha
Didnt play yoshi since T7, but that was my whole thoughtprocess back then xD
Gave you a shoutout on a Facebook page for tekken 8. Thank you for the training videos. I’m definitely improving with Lidia. My throw escapes are getting better too.
I finally got to red ranks today
It’s crazy how applicable & insightful your videos are to newcomers into the fgc and long time sweats like myself. Love everything you put out brother keep it up 🤙
Nice breakdown…., but I can’t wait for Eyemusician to show who is the God of Yoshimitsu…. It’s far from just partying. The man is a literal genius
Eyemusician has so many different ways to pressure it's crazy
As someone who's first exposure to Yoshi was from SC5 it's hilarious seeing him get to live in a real series that gets good games
"and what does Sin do now?.....he sidesteps" fuking hype, felt shivers from it, Phi you are a master at dissecting plays and making them interesting and engaging to see and understand
the problem with analysis is that you know the result already. there is no way the yoshi player incentived anything from the dragonuv player (im talking about Phi’s comment at 10:51), most players come in with a plan irrespective of what the opponent and feel it out. If the end result was Kkokoma winning by a sliver, the conclusion and analysis would be completely different. And if Phi Dx commentated this match in real time, the analysis would be completely different than watching it back. Sin could be just changing his timing as a strategy to mix his game up, irrespective of what KKokokoma was doing.
This isn't a "watch this so you know how you should approach the match"
This is a "look at how the winner approached the match"
I think I agree with you. At 9:14 , Phi says this is the first instance of Sin cashing out on Kkokoma’s delay timing sidestep . I disagree. It so happens that F+1+2 with Yoshi hit, but I think Sin was just looking to use that move as soon as possible since he had low life and was in heat.
He did not have a read on KKokoma. And KKokoma I don’t think was trying to delay anything here, all he did was sidestep first to get away from the wall and better position himself so he got clipped by Yoshi’s f+1+2.
If they weren’t against the wall, KKokoma probably wouldn’t have sidestepped at all. There was no hard read here.
Also, just because someone has been doing delay timing most of the round, that doesn’t mean or guarantee they will do delay timing towards the end of the round or the entire round.
@@PhiDXwaiting for your schizophrenic69's Yoshi....
Obviously real time analysis would be different than analysis that you get to pause and rewind over and over.
@@Evilj82of course there's no guarantee, thats literally the basis for mind games, and hard reads, to exist.
18:06 did this man actually say "Bagoosh" lmao
Been loving the yoshi content. I’m interested in your thoughts on 2xko
As someone who doesn't play Tekken but loves watching the competitive circuit, must say i love this video bro, considering that I don't understand most of the terminology I loved that you took the time to give explanations. Deff got a new subscriber out of me.❤❤
Thank you! Which explanations were helpful?
I'm really happy you covered this guy! I watched Lil Majin's vid earlier and it was the first time I'd seen Sin's Yoshi... and, I was left speechless. This guy's gameplay was STELLAR.
I love PhiDX's commentary, makes it so interesting!
Imagine if Schizophrenic69 stops smiling
wydm have you watched his streams? dude is giga depressed lmao
@@louisedyhlen3234 iunno he seems pretty chill to me
Jesus... I'm an old timer Tekken player that has always just played for fun, in single and multiplayer, and i guess, i could be described as just a naturally intuitive tekken player, (i'm just now learning the more technical aspects, as concepts to actively be mindful of, where as before i would just intuitively act on them, without even realizing it as a concept), but as i watch more videos on Teken and especially younger Tekken players, the more i realize how much of a, dare i say, science and art form component, there is, especially at high level competitive scene.
Sometimes, when i listen to really "nerdy" Tekken players talk, i get this feeling like, "Dude... You sound like people need a PHD just to play this game". They really know their stuff man. It's kinda impressive.
Personally, i'm more just, "ME LIKE PUNCH AND KICK FACE ARGH".
What's sick is the best players practice and internalize everything so that it becomes instinct. Then in-game, it really is "me like punch and kick" LOL
@@PhiDX Yes! It's very impressive! I really admire such people :)
Just found your channel and now i'm binge watching it haha xD
I really like your analysis and breakdowns!
The Yoshi Brain is an actual disease, I love it
I just wanna say, I'm not in a very good point in life and your enjoyment and positive attitude makes me feel a little better, thanks
Yoshi has had really solid footsies and counterpoke options even since T7 but now he's on another level with his buffed sword moves and extra mix. His 11, 21 and snake edge in NSS are annoying to deal with let alone all his other tools like flash, poison spit and especially spins that let him escape otherwise guaranteed pressure. If played with a killer mindset Yoshi is a very scary character.
"We've been talking about Sin a lot" - my parish priest
Sin is all the proof you need for Yoshi players.
Eyemusician is far more strong than SIN but unfortunately he is not participating in tournaments.
eyemusician is strong in a different way.... sin playstyle is more similar at kane and trench playstyle
@@saafff5465true, but Eyemusician fundamentals are just as strong as those two. Last time he was really active, he was beating Pakistan players pretty convincingly.
@@jimdino77 definitely better throwbreaking of eyemusician.. sometimes eye m do strange things very risky
Lmao outplayed. Awesome analysis as always!
Great analysis
Incredible from the perspective of a novice as to how these players may be thinking. I would love to hear an explanation of what may be going through the head of the loser, or how the odds are just working against the loser.
I play Yoshimitsu because he makes me do shit that makes him do shit that makes me laugh which makes the opponent make stupid decisions. It's like having a method to madness.
Phidx u will go for LCQ of EWC?
nope, he hasnt registered so far atleast, theres some spots open tho
0:18 Brother, you've just described half of the players in red rank I've faced in the past month who all happen to be playing Yoshi. They ain't playin' around, they here to milk that flash and win. 😅
The first and only Tekken game I played(forgot which one it is) I was a Yoshi main. I just liked the cool samurai-isk design and I'm a sucker for swords. Next in line was king.
Damn that title.. Very spooky lol Yoshi can be a struggle to go against 👍🏽💯
0:14 😂😂😂😂yo that's me....I will take you with me "proceed to hit forward forward die"
That intro of the yoshi brain had me rolling 😂
Wall carries and stage transitions 😂😂😂 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
This is why Yoshi is my favorite in Soul Caliber and Tekken since day 1
Gosh Yoshimitsu and unpredictability just goes too perfect, this is far by the best example of “if a yoshimitsu flipped a switch then it’s lights out”
these vids on sin are making me wanna pick up yoshi. last time i played em was as a kid in tekken 5 which is insane lol
i mean think of a yoshi thats a tryhard troll, pure will power, learns how to use all troll moves efficiently for each character, has the meta combos down, he's a monster you dont wanna mess with.
That one second pause at the start freaked me out
I LOVE Sin's playstyle, if i had to choose a playstyle to be amazing at, it will be it, just outboxing the boxer
It looks like a UFS card, I didn't know we had Tekken characters though. We didn't have the license when I was playing.
Enter a world where a yoshi plays Tekken
Enter..............................the twilight zone.........................
This man is exiled from the Yoshimitsu council.
Kid: Mom I wanna watch yongyea.
Mom: We have yongyea at home.
Yongyea at home:
At about 1:25 this is what seperates good tekken players vs good fgc players.
My guy's got a chick at the back, 11:35! 😁
You see a severe diference of move set from a serious gameplay of Yoshimitsu, any desperate attempt of auto stabbing, venomous breath, just straight cuts
If you stop trolling, you've stopped playing yoshi
As a timing master myself, I make sure that rounds end within 15-20 secs 'cause I always get perfected
My favorite Yoshi move is back to opponent, Indian Stance, Cannon (3) and slam into a wall. Repeat ad nauseum.... No wonder I'm still Brawler rank. lol.
My dream as a Yoshi main is to see two Yoshi mains make it into finals and then do nothing but spin on their sword. I'd love to see the reaction on Harada's face lol.
two words can sumarize these "troll" characters.
Worth it.
Yoshi Bryan Dragon nerfs are needed. I know it’s impossible to balance out a game that’s as big as Tekken with as many characters but there’s some changes we need made.
Threatening idiocy is part of yoshi's mental mix.
feint timing is I think a better name for "slight delay timing"
been Yoshi since day 1... dude brought a sword to a fist fight...
They lose a small portion of themselves to gain unlimited power
PhiDx is like the new MMSwe, but smart.
Oh lol
That unblockable low sword attack is ridiculous
If you can get out of this mindset (0:39) as a Yo Main?!
You've gotten away with murder.
Good! Engagement!I love Yoshi.
a fighting game where nobody needs to get hurt
Here from the Maxx mentoring.
The Thing About Delay Timing Players is if you attack non-stop they cant do anything and will just eat them
13:55 ''yoshi need nerfs'' says someone in chat after that hard af read from SIN (the previous match as well reads after reads after reads), seriously some of yall just wanna complain to hear yourselves complain
Yoshi is pretty busted in T8 tho. Could provably do with a slight damage nerf.
id love to see some 2XKO
“What happens if a yoshimitsu player dont let the yoshimitsu mind creep in” thank god this is impossible. As defined in the bible of tekken by harada: if a yoshimitsu haven’t stabbed himself or n the last 30 seconds, he will in fact activate their yoshi chip implanted in their brain and explode the players brain in t-10 seconds. Its the law. Its the entanglement of neurons that every yoshi player shares.
i watched this video, picked Bryan, won 3 ranks without losing one game
ty teach
trolling is just 'hiding your power level' + knowledge checking
hiding your power level is fine
knowledge checking is fine
but together its trolling?
It depends on how mindful and if you are intending to deceive or not, that makes it work or not.
I'm very new to Tekken and didn't understand the timing masterclass explanation. It seems like maybe there's a R/P/S thing going on, but I don't understand what options delay timing beats?
Delay timing beats block (do nothing) --> attack
Its hard enough to learn the combos. This is just beyond anything i can do 😢😂
Absolutely crazy that playing normally on Yoshi is actually a gimmick
Nuts
People who play fighting games should break the fourth wall and go learn the fundies of irl fights.
We do
It would simply work, Yoshi is very strong and solid in T8, you can either choose to play him as your average "schizo" or fundamentally, works both ways... (y'all know which one we pickin).
The card game is called union arena