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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ม.ค. 2019
- It's Anime Theory time, and today were talking about Madoka Magica. Because you see, the ending isn't exactly as it seems, and Madoka's wish may just have been more detrimental than you know...
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Being meguca is suffering
Justin Y. Well that was fast
Yeah that was. XD
You're a true weeb at heart. Ive seen at least ten of your comments today.
Teach me your ways, Justin.
To be fair, I see him almost everywhere. XD
This series in sumary :
Madoka: I want to become a magical girl
Homura:No don't
And then, death
Nah more like
Madoka: I love everyone but myself so i'll suffer so everyone can be happy
Homura: I love no one but madoka so i'll make everyone suffer so i can have madoka
Then death
Become meguka!
No, Meduka
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@@dindaunaroma3626
_Being meguca is suffering_
For Rebellion if you notice in the opening song the seasons chance.
Meaning they spend at least a year in the closed universe before
they started to discover the truth.
Never even thought about that honestly. XD
@@duoreview7492 You know, I don't see Madoka Magica as a "Magical Girl" Anime, when they transform, they have weapons that can be used to perform their ability....
Time passing in closed universe might be different from out side, like Interstellar
@@JadenYukifan28 as someone who hasn't watched another magical girl show, the concept is intrinsically fused with pulling a gun out of your arm now.
@@ILiekFishes Yeah, I know.
There's a flaw in your argument, a small one but it is extremely important. In rebellion Kyubey clearly states that Homura invited the people who were most important to maintain the illusion of normal life. These people are Hitomi, Kyosuke, Madoka's family, Kuzuko (The school teacher) and Nakazawa (The one kid whose always called on in class) all of these people are human and would therefore age yet they remained the same as we saw them at the end of the series. And they were definitely in the labryth because we saw them being returned safely right before Homura captures Madoka and once again no aging.
That's an interesting point, but my counter would be that the existence of the illusion completely fucks with how this whole thing works. It's an illusion, meaning anything we see in it could be altered for the sake of keeping things regular. This illusion was meant to replicate life as perfectly as possible because, as we later see, small inconsistencies can destroy the immersion. I don't think that it's too much of a stretch to alter physical appearances if the entire city was essentially created from nothing as well.
@@duoreview7492 but they looked the same when they got out too
@@lemonkatze7461 ehhem magic+corspe= fresh bodies
Nah.....magic + corpses= zombies
At least for everyone except magical girls. Lol
We could also see Mami and Kyouko age in the original series - in their flashbacks they are shown younger than at the time of the main events.
The first magical girl:
So you're saying that I can ask for anything in the world and get super powers
Kyube: Yup
The first magical Girl: And it will cost...
Kyube: *says really fast* Your soul, your dignity, your humanity, the lives of hundreds of people, the lives of other magical grls, the souls of magical girls, any sign of a decent looking person in you and death.
The first magical girl: Sounds legit, count me in.
The very first Mahou Shoujo would be "shaman daughter", maybe ask for some medicine...this is HOW Kyubei kick th humanity. 6000+ years ago...
Wait, if kyube said that "humanity would still be living in caves" then how would the first magical girl. Even exist? If they can't talk then how did the treaty work?
. Didnt see that coming
@@Rauler_
Kyubey: Blink if yes, stare blankly if no.
*Caveman- blinks*
Kyubey: Great! Let's get started.
What would caveman meguca wish for 🤔
@@defunctaccount9803 fire unga bunga
Honestly, my biggest issue is with how the entropy is portrayed. Entropy is ultimately working towards the heat death of the universe, which is where everything is the same temperature and all matter is exactly the same. Entropy wouldn't reasonably cause the decay seen in the scenes highlighted, as the heat death of the universe requires the sun to die, which would take millions of years.
I have always viewed the Incubator's plan as one that stretches over that same sort of time period. Yes Madoka's wish is severely detrimental to their goals, and ultimately very damaging to the future of the universe, but that future is probably billions of years away. It would likely not be an issue for humanity.
But in madoka's world, without magical girls, entropy death would have started sooner and at a faster rate, so we could see it's effects on the present day. I think.
Even so, it wouldn't have caused it to jump from thriving city to desolate wasteland instantly. I seems unlikely that increasing entropy would cause the sun to become a red giant quite so quickly, and if it did, well humanity would know how screwed they really were.
Increased entropy mainly means that there is less energy in systems, but for humanity to reach the time when Madoka et al were in place, the individual effect wouldn't have been great. I'm assuming that the energy gained through the process is equally distributed throughout the universe or used to create new solar systems. If the former, then it is the cumulative effect that is important. In terms of efficient use of the energy though, creating new solar systems seems much more practical.
My point is slowing the heat death of the universe is only relevant on absurd scales of millions of years/hundreds of parsecs of distance. It's not so relevant for humanity.
I will say that I do agree with the general thrust of the theory, that stopping the witches from forming is detrimental to the universe in the long term. It's something that I first thought when I saw the series.
However, whether the Incubators or Madoka were right in their actions is a matter of perspective. Do the ends justify the means?
@@anonarat ah crap you are right. Well, writers aren't astrophysics. Or this theory is wrong.
We'll just have to wait for the next movie.
And I'd say that when it comes to the death of the entire universe, the end pretty much justifies the means.
@@Nparalelo The core of the theory is solid, the only thing I'm really disputing is the scale.
As for the end justifying the means: would you torture someone before killing them so that the universe exists for one more day? Two? How many days or years would you need to justify that.
Should our goal be to prolong life, or reduce the suffering during life?
I don't rightly have a fully reasoned answer to that question, and it's up to you to decide where you fall on that spectrum.
@@anonarat for hedonism it would be wrong. For utilitarianism it would be right. And Urobuchi sure likes putting utilitarianism in his works.
One suffers (mostly because of her own decisions and mind) and trillions are allowed to live. I think I side with incubators in this.
It's still morally grey though. I think morality would jump out of the window on this xD
The “something else” where the girls are after Homuras labyrinth is destroyed is actually where the incubators where the incubators were performing experiments/monitoring on homura and the life inside of her labyrinth. When Madoka shoots and breaks the large rainbow barrier that serves as the top of the labyrinth, it crumbles and we can see several incubators and some large circular metal drone type objects with eyes in the middle. Kyubey confirmed that they had been monitoring homura for quite a while, and it wasn’t just him either. We see dozens of incubators killed when Madoka and homura do a combo attack to break out of Homulilys labyrinth. It is very unlikely that the incubators built this observatory or science lab in the middle of the city, as other magical girls in the real world would notice it. Instead, they must’ve built it somewhere remote, like an abandoned military site. When homuras labyrinth collapses, not only is the labyrinth obliterated, but all the incubators watching in the real world are killed as well. This means that the ruins we see are simply the remains of the incubators science lab thing that they used to monitor homura. The circular metal structure we see Kyoko stand on looks extremely similar to the circular eye drones earlier, and with the amount of incubators killed, it is entirely possible that these objects are covered simply in ash that has been overheated from the blast, or maybe even the disentegrated bodies of the incubators. The desert homura is walking into at the end of the anime is likely a trap set up by the incubators to get her to an isolated location, so the possibility of the world being apocalyptic is highly improbable. To support this, with homura brought in people she cared about from the real world, and we see this happen. In rebellion when the explanation of how Madoka is in the labyrinth is being given, we see a perfectly happy Mami going shopping in the real world and looking at a dress in a display, which is where she steps into and is sucked into the labyrinth. I don’t know for sure, but that’s my take on things. Hopefully more is answered in the rebellion sequel series/movie that’s said to be in production. At least we’ll have the magia record anime to tide us over in the meantime!
But why is Homura walking in a desert in the first place?
@@mahlawn2808 good point in my opinion. Maybe its like their emotional healing spot or something? Like a place they go to becose it calms them
I'm not sure how much I buy this specifically, but I do have issues with what Madoka did.
At the end of Rebellion, Madoka says that it is wrong to change the laws of the universe if you don't like them, but that is exactly what she had done. Heck, when she made her wish she said she was going to rewrite those laws. If what Madoka said at the end of Rebellion was right, then her wish was wrong. They are mutually exclusive and it makes Madoka a hypocrite. The fact that the Incubators were able to create a space where the law of the cycles did not exist is a sign that it was never a universal rule and was always artificial at best. You can't create a space where the laws of physics don't apply. That would mean that the laws are wrong and we need to rewrite our science textbooks.
I also don't fully believe the Incubators when they say that they are solely trying to stave off the heat death of the universe by counteracting entropy. If that were true, then Kyubey would not have said that they had filled their "quota" when Madoka turned into a witch in the previous timeline and therefore the destruction of earth would be no loss. The very idea of a quota when fighting entropy is nonsense. No matter how big a bounty Madoka would get them, it would still be finite in the end and only push off the end of the universe. In order to be effective, their plan needs a continuous supply or else they will eventually run into the same problem and they'd no longer have any humans with emotions to exploit. They'd doom the universe by doing what Kyubey wanted to do to Madoka.
I think there must be something more that Kyubey didn't say, a reason they need so much energy right now, that goes beyond trying to sustain the universe. Like they're at war with another space-faring power and because of thermodynamics they can't generate enough natural power to win it. Kyubey lies through omission all the time, like when he told Madoka that she would want humanity to meet other races when it finally leaves earth when he knew full well that if he got what it want there would be no humanity or earth to meet those races. It seems to me he was leaving out the most important details here as well.
Also, at the end of Rebellion, Madoka becomes the new transfer student, and states that she had returned to Japan after living in America for three years.
The universe Homura created/rewrote is a lot different than the other universes.
Or maybe you know the obvious answer that its just a temporary quota cause they wont need to get any energy again for a long long time and as such after that point they stop their plan.
Ignorance is bliss. Road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Doesn't quota mean that they are in the green for awhile, not that they don't need more energy. Plus, what if Madoka's witch supplied infinite energy?(I know, unreal).
According to one of the phone games, the Incubators do apparently act on other planets, making alien magical girls sometimes. So the loss of humanity might not be that big a deal.
Another thing about the magical girls aging:
In episode 10, there’s a witch that Homura kills (the bird looking one) who’s production note says “As she was no longer a girl when she became a witch (mid - 20s to 30s?). The form she takes in her barrier is how she would’ve turned out in the future (around 40s)”
So yes, while magical girls do actually age, their physical appearance may not change at all.
She highkey could've just deleted the concept of entropy or made entropy spread off of *HAPPINESS* oh my gajeebus
._.
Even though the incubators say you can wish anything, it seems there are limits. I dont think even madoka's wish was strong enough to reverse entropy.
But anyways, madoka doesn't even understand entropy when kyubey explains it to her...
@@Nparalelo i still find it weird how she became like a 10th dimensional god and was just like *eeh* or didn't do exactly that. She rewrote universal laws so... Pretty sure she can put a twist on entropy in some way
@@marcuswebb9434 she's not 10th dimensional...She's a multiversal 4th dimensional conceptual Goddess
@@ocaraloho4652 shes like at least 6d, in string theory terms at least you have to be that strong to percieve multiple universes (that is unless she's observing their universe resetting over & over)
@@marcuswebb9434 Well...This would make her comparable to Xeno Goku, ok then
I don't really know what to think about this "the world already begun dying cause there's less energy!" theory. To me, Kyubey wanted the old system back cause it was more efficient, and that's it, not because he /needed/ to cause the time was running out. It's like wanting to pay your employees nothing instead of livable wage again cause it was just amazing for the business! But..this is interesting. Cause there's no explanation anywhere for why are they in this weird ass desert. It might just be a different location, or it really might be the future. It's worth to consider at least
Desert is symbolism of absence, things lost, death, endings, emptyness, misery.
Homura was in another country
Tbh I thought that the desert and waste lands were symbolic of the inevitable end of the world during the anime. If you watched homura against the wraiths then it's clear that they aren't easy to kill and that the world is going to shit so this assumption makes sense. It may never be confirmed but I think the beauty of madoka magica is that at the end of the day these r kids with immature methods of thinking. All their wishes were immature including madokas
@@exchangediary968 the Arizona desert
1. Kyubei may be lying, and the energy may be used for their own benefiit. remember in the first episode where kyubei was "wounded" so that madoka would feel sorry for him.
2. madokas wish is to remove all past, present and future witches, meaning sayaka is not part of the universe and not a witch, but a hybrid magical girl witch
3. its kyubeis fault for using emotions of teenage girls to combat entropy, i mean its too volatile and powerful to be messed with
It eats grief seeds.
That is the only objective fact we can take from Kyubei. It survives, from misery.
3:23 they aren't used as a "similar form of grief seeds". The grief cubes are how incubators harvest energy, now- the girls absorb their grief into the cubes, and the Kyubey take it and convert it into energy.
4:25 the reason they went out of their way to replicate it wasn't to "bring the witches back". It was to confirm that Madoka, or the Law of Cycles, exists, and then work to interfere with her so they could control her, and have girls turn into witches again. You really shouldn't generalize details like that (same for Madoka's wish; she wished to "Erase Witches from past/future with her own hands", but you generalized it poorly) because they're very important. And by the way, the entire reason Rebellion happened is because of Homura deciding it would be a great idea to inform the Kyubey about witches.
6:06 the Barren wastelands are a good point, but, I'm.. pretty sure it's just an artistic choice. If you read the Wraith Arc Manga, which basically reveals the events leading up to Rebellion, all of the cities are still intact and fine. EDIT: Actually, one of the people that worked on the ending scene (I think it was a Director or something I can't remember) said it was a reference to a different anime, and that he was surprised by all the theories everyone was making. It doesn't have anything to do with entropy.
7:27 "It wouldn't have made sense for this to be an overnight thing" because it wasn't. Alot of events transpire before Rebellion, but it had nothing to do with entropy.. you did read the wraith arc manga, yes?
7:48 okay, you haven't. In the manga, a lot of confusing things happen, but essentially this massive ass wraith appears and when Homura goes to stop it, she remembers her Time Shield- (her bow has memory altering powers) and that there was a witch trapped inside of it. So, she rewrote her memories and abandoned the shield.
When Homura goes to defeat the wraith, Madokami reaches out and says "Do your best", helping her defeat it. (The manga's interpretation of the TV ending)
Afterwards, Homura uses the shield one last time and resets the timeline- destroying the shield in the process.
..However, Kyubey got ahold of one of the shards, and was able to confirm that Witches did exist, since one had been trapped in the shield. From there, he begins planning to trap Homura and all that. Cue Rebellion.
8:53 ... what? What are you talking about? Homura did something that was necessary (to protect Madoka from the incubators) but also selfish and possessive. Again, it had nothing to do with Entropy- Duo did you actually do your research for this one??
TL;DR, Duo this was an AWFUL theory. Like, you could've spent a few more minutes looking into it and trying to decode it more properly- but it seems you only took a look at the anime and got your info from there. You basically ignored information you had access to... It sounds like you came into this trying to prove that Madoka was dooming everyone instead of actually working things from the ground up.
To be fair, the world was gonna end anyway. There was a timeline where Madoka turned into a witch, when she did kyubey told Homura she would destroy the world in about 10 days. So if we think about it, Homura caused it all indirectly, not to put her at blame due to being unknown of the consequences.
If Homura did nothing , Walpurgistnacht would have obliterated them all ( Madoka wouldn't have accumulated enough power through Homura's time travel shenanigans ) and Walpurgistnacht was a culmination of a lot of magical girls'/ witches' despair which was caused by Incubators. So , Incubators are the root of destruction of the world, not Homura .
Ah I missed this opening 💜
So did I honestly.
Actually, the time thing regarding the breakdown of homura, i wanna remind you what kyubey said in the anime "the moment homura stops trying, she will become a witch" so it is possible that she quite quickly fell down that rabbit hole
As homura said herself, "A person becomes naive if they're too kind" Madoka let her kindness blind her to the purpose of magical girls.
Honestly I think saying "-Character- did nothing wrong" Is simply... Cheap, empty and completely throws away everything the series showed to us just to defend a specific character.
Everything was a good and a bad side here, no matter who and no matter what, all decisions and all characters do.
Mami? She decided to fight witches, something ok, but died in action.
Sayaka? She decided she would follow her justice ideal, fighting against all evil and selfishness, but ended up turning into a witch herself.
Kyoko? She did the best for herself, as she noticed her magic influence could hurt someone else, but her heart was empty and her soul filled with selfishness as she acted exclusively to her own benefit.
Madoka? She asked to erase all witches that ever existed to save every magical girl ever, she became a god like being with infinite power, but lost herself and was erased from everyone who once loved her.
And finally Homura, the dear Child of the nothing wrong thing, she brought madoka back to a New world, where she could be a happy human again, and all of our protagonists were happy, but because of that Homura turned into evil itself, everything bad in the universe became what reformed it own self, a Wish filled with the will to do but one thing, bring madoka back, but in the process ignoring what anyone else could believe as a better alternative and again, erasing her own self from existence.
See? Everyone did right and everyone did wrong, and in the end all of the fates will be bad, nothing can be perfect, you get one thing and loose another, that's what the show and rebellion were about, that's what they showed us from the start with the magical girls' wishes turning against them and becoming witches
But entropy doesn't cause desert, It froze the universe! It should be a land of ice. Maybe it's just the creators that didn't understand the concept
Deserts don't have to be hot, they're just dry. Look at Mongolia for an example. The bigger problem is that unless entropy works differently there, it should be trillions of years before you could see an effect.
@@RonnocFroop in our world. In madoka's world entropy was already a problem, and the universe managed to stay it is here because of magical girls. If there weren't magical girls, entropy death would have started sooner and faster.
Can you cite any point in the anime where that or anything indicating that entropy works differently from our world is said? The theory can still mostly work with entropy working the same as our world, and having something completely different being called the same thing is a pretty silly hill to die on without evidence.
RonnocFroop Yeah like Mars, but earth is a bit different. It would have snow and ice everywhere. But anyway, in trillions years, the earth would not even be here anymore. It would have been consume by the sun when it'll become a red giant and start burning helium.
@@xvincplayerx8 correction. the earth will survive at max another 7.5 billion years
I think the Wraith Arch manga covers where Homura was at the very end; I think it was inside a Wraith or something, or Homura's old time weapon. Don't swear me to that entirely.
Also, depending on how many past magical girls were influenced by witches in the old timeline, the magical girl population more than likely decreased as a result too. I say this because I remember the manga of Puella Magi Tart Magica having a few of their characters having their lives influenced by witches directly too. Madoka's wish likely undermined half of the events there.
Yeah, the wish would have a massive domino effect in general.
@@duoreview7492 No doubt about that. To be honest, I sort of assumed that the Wraiths were making things a bit easier in regard to entropy until you brought up it made things worse. I'm still a little bit skeptical about them being a place where a city used to be or the world-universe is ending slowly but I can sort of see where you're getting that from.
It is a theory, so it's fair to be skeptical. If it wasn't a theory, and thus something with potential flaws, then I would merely be stating fact. =D
About Puella Magi Tart Magica. Its already after Madoka made her wish. Hell at the very end you can even see her. Fact that there were witches had something to do with that crazy bitch.
Daily reminder
Homura Did Nothing wrong
Couldn't incubators just ask one of the girls to wish for entrophy to stop?
Entropy could be a lie therefore. Truth is, illusions and control. Grief seeds. It survives on misery. Wishes are illusions.
@@mimszanadunstedt441 We're talking about the fundamental rules of the universe here, you can't just change them with a wish.
@@sensei9767 Madoka literally did change laws of the universe tho. At least that's how her actions are described, to be changing the fabric of universe (even becoming *law* of cycles).
@@A_B_1917 Madoka's wish influenced the universe through out time, but changing the laws of thermo dynamics is on a whole nother level. The universe would be completely different if she did that, things like planets might not even exist.
kugrond true but with Madokas wish the method to collecting changed...so instead of witches they have wraiths now...it could be assumed that the same would happen with entropy it would just change
I vaguely remember reading somewhere that part of the inspiration for the Incubators in Rebellion was our modern obsession with having to have everything as quickly and as efficiently as possible. For example, if a big company expects to make a profit of 5 billion dollars this year, but instead they only profit 4.9 billion, that's seen as a massive red flag that something is wrong. It's not acceptable that they made a TON of money, they still didn't make ENOUGH money. It's not good enough to make get a lot of money, they need to have ALL the money.
That's basically how the Incubators are in Rebellion. They COULD maintain the universe with the Wraiths, but the Witches would just be more efficient, and therefore more convenient for them.
Also I never looked too much into the desert/ruins thing, at least not in terms of a deeper meaning. I just seemed to make more sense to me that the incubators would choose an isolated location to build this massive observation post than someplace that might be more easily noticed.
Madoka is a highly metaphorical show, especially by the end. I think the wastelands at the end of both the show and the movie were more of a symbol of loss, mainly Homura's loss at no longer being able to see Madoka. Also we can see the girls aging in both Kyoko's and to some degree Mami's backstories. Though this was before they knew their souls weren't in their bodies. So theoretically yes, its full possible for them to stop themselves from aging but I doubt they'd stop at just 14 when they can instead stop around 20.
Would changing the whole witch thing change the way that entropy is balanced? Like Madoka became a type of god, so could she just change the laws of how entropy is managed or even made?
Beings a god, comes with creating rules and sciences that would make your planets and universes work, so I don't see why she wouldn't just change those. Maybe her cycle helps give our entropy, causing the universe to not be in much danger.
Her being a god could be an illusion cast from Kyubei
@@mimszanadunstedt441 i think she had inate potencial but kyubey was the one that made that potencial become effective. Like a pile of wood incredibly big and a match. She by herself was nothing and couldnt do much, but kyubey (the match) made her able to use her potencial
HOMURA DID NOTHING WRONG!!!
This video proves exactly that actually!
@@duoreview7492 well... Actually... As far as I know, to get to the point to the events of the anime happening, Homura possibly killed at least one magical girl to prevent Madoka to get hurt/dead (or made her insane to transform her into a witch)
@@Pandozo Homura flat out shot Madoka right as the screen cut.
@@angeldude101 besides Madoka
~Griffith intencifies
I think the bigger point is "Why would the Incubators grant Madoka's or Homura's wish in the first place if they felt it would be detrimental to their goal of reversing entropy?" Kyubey literally tells Madoka she could become a god, something he never would have suggested if he felt it would be a bad thing. I think what's really going on here is the Incubators already knew the power in Homura's wish from the get go, knowing that her wish would make Madoka powerful. When they saw Madoka's potential in another timeline, they suggested that she could become a god because they saw the potential that wish would have to make Homura powerful. This of course culminates in 'Rebellion,' which I'm pretty sure wasn't the end of the Incubators, even if it seems like it. Remember how he said they weren't going to mess around with human emotions anymore because they are so unpredictable and hard to contain? Well they don't have to anymore. Homura forced an Incubator to take on all the despair and curses of all magical girls out of spite for what the Incubators had put her through. That was the Incubator's end game. They now have the power contained within magical girls themselves, and conveniently, they no longer need to have humans to use this power. This sets them up as the true and final antagonist of the series, an insanely intelligent race of beings who now possess the one trait they lacked that would make them more or less gods: emotions.
It kind of depends on if you take Kyubey at his word or not. He is dishonest by omission, indirectly. But that might mean he is also capable of being directly dishonest. I like to think of it as he's an alien race who harnesses human suffering for power, so they want to create more human suffering, so witches are a better system for that than wraiths. They could just be using the power for their own ends and only saying it's for the good of the universe. Much like how foot soldiers are often lied to about what they're actually fighting for.
I'm just saying that nothing proves that Kyubey is or is not capable of directly lying. Given their "ends justifies the means" and "humans are cattle" attitude, it might make sense that they think nothing of lying as long as it benefits them in some way to do so.
Rachael Lefler well they are capable of lying, bc they say that they can “grant any wish” for you however that’s not the case as shown in a episode where kyubey explains that it all depends on your karmic destiny... and funny how they view us as cattle and yet they ask us for permission to take our soul.
Sounds about right. All wishes end in tragedy and despair for magical girls.
And Kyubei eats grief.
I wonder...
Well calling Madoka evil isn't exacly righ, i meen you wouldn't call enginers of Czarnobyl evil, just incompetent
Also she's like 12, that might factor in
Chernobyl***
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One argument I have against this theory is assuming everything is happening on Earth. Or even on a planet with any sentient life on it that's at all LIKE Earth's. My thinking is, the Incubators are essentially scientists with chronic moral ambiguity, if not a straight up lack of fucks to give in regards to humans. They don't want Madoka to interfere with their experiment, but they need Homura to conduct this experiment in the first place. So they take her, get her off any planet immediately within Madoka's influence (all planets are within her influence, but she probably wouldn't think to look on a dead planet) and seal her away from any outside influences of magic. Possibly including lingering magic from prominently sentient life forms on the planet already.
Another, and one less concrete, I'll admit, is casting Madoka as the villain for shortening the universe's potential life. I guess with the series philosophical nature, it's no surprise that this would be something people would probably find disagreement with (and I expect this to bring up some too) but the entire point of Madoka's struggle was the quality of life for humans.
The Incubators know this, and know other humans will think like this, whether they have entirely selfless intentions or not. Their plans, regardless of ANYONE'S quality of life (including their own) is to extend the life of the universe by any means possible, even if it means their own suffering as a result. They've accepted it, and having decided suffering was a proper price to pay for longevity, have decided that happiness is no longer an important factor in the grand scheme of things and operate accordingly. They don't lie, but they don't spill the entirety of their own intentions, knowing humans -- especially young, hormonal teenage girls -- will see their quality of life suffer and refuse the contract.
Madoka's struggle was always a sympathetic, if naive, one: everyone deserved a chance at happiness. A long life isn't worth anything if you're reduced to depressed, suicidal farm animals (Kyuubi once literally comparing humans to cattle, which is flawed in itself as cattle all over the world are treated differently). She thinks everyone, everywhere, deserves happiness. Ending their lives, and ending them in a way that is not only manipulative but outright cruel and torturous, was never an option she was willing to accept.
So to that end, calling her a villain is a bit misleading, if not simplistic of the views of the anime and movie.
Is it better to live long as long as others suffer? Does their mental, physical and emotional health matter if the lives of others are elongated? How many other species would Kyuubi do this to in order to extend the life of the known universe? When will they stop? When will the resources to do this dry up, and what will Kyuubi do when (not if) this happens? Will it be worth it if they get an everlasting universe full of creatures who lack the emotional intensity and complexity to appreciate the extended livelihood?
This is less a question of overall good (as both parties have good intentions on different scales), but more a question of overall worth.
But I'm a selfish person and disagree with Kyuubi wholeheartedly. Madoka, letting entropy happen as it might naturally, has put an increased value in life itself to the point where the Incubators feel the need to try and rewrite the universe to suit their own needs again. Madoka is letting all sentient "magical girls" decide their own life choices without the threat of being driven to insanity, made to hurt the people they wanted to protect, and then killed by a girl who will be tricked into doing the same. Rewriting the universe ensures emotion will never be punished with death, that life can be lived to it's fullest capability of enjoyment and self-fulfillment, and that the willingness to sacrifice one's life isn't further punished with manipulation.
Kyuubi extends the life of a universe which is bound to die, anyway, and only prolongs the suffering of creatures who were on the brink of dying before they started this energy gathering mission. In the end, Kyuubi can't continue this quest forever, and they'll just make others suffer longer in their attempts.
That, to me, is the drastically more villainous thing to do.
pretty great analysis, i love it
But, when we see the characters in rebellion be taken out to the realm of HomuWitch we see that the universe is pretty normal. The escene of Homura with wings in the wasteland was not in the Urobuchi script. And even if it was, Homura was obsessed of killing those thing for the sake of Madoka wish, if she could kill those specters in a wasteland she would do it.
And in the end of Rebellion, she wasn't in a City, she was in a place chose by the incubators to do their experiment. And the incubators has not urgent for stop the entropy, they did it because they wanted a more efficient system, just like in real life the business do all the time, even if they used to have a system that works too.
In my opinion, Homura did that just to keep her promise to Madoka. When she rewrote the world Madoka is the transfer student and she didn’t know about magical girls so she kept her promise.
Homura change in the universe is actually a lot better then we give it credit for because her transformation is so different and powerful it must have given the universe a lot of energy and with it all being covered in a labyrinth that a constant energy that would definitely be enough to keep the universe good she also gave everyone a second chance at having a normal life.
Well Homura is powerful enough to rewrite the laws of the universe plus the universe didn't need Madoka before she became a god. But I guess there would be some things that would be off it is a labyrinth that Homura control and she isn't really in a good mental state
Ok, a few things people seem to forget including our Reviewer here. A ) There is no indication that Kyuby is anything but greedy. Presumably they were getting enough energy to do whatever they needed to do (Madoka would have presumably seen and understood what they needed when rewriting things being basically a God and all) with entropy, it simply wasn't EFFICIENT. One of the reasons I finally tipped over into the Incubators are evil camp is that they are the ultimate utilitarians. They literally have no loyalty to anyone or anything ( as obvious when they couldn't spare even a drop of their power to help fight witch Madoka in that earlier timeline when Gretchen will destroy the world), and , since they don't feel emotion (with rare exceptions) they don't care how much the Magic Girl to Witch transformation causes suffering. They just want that sweet, sweet, energy - and lots of it, all at once, even if a steady drip might be better for everyone involved. Unnecessary suffering - even when for a good end - is still evil. B) How powerful Kyuby and his race are. I basically view them as a sort of lesser God - they also apply the maxim that "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic". I don't have a problem with the fact they were able to make a 'shield' that kept out the 'Law of Cycles'. Presumably, if you find the right materials ('negative mass') then anti-gravity is possible and gravitic fields could be suppressed or kept out of a space - and yet Gravity is a law of nature. Same with this stuff. C) Ok, opinion here too, but that's all we got. I think Humora was able to become a witch for two reasons 1) She was at the other end of the "Karmic Balance" due to all her time traveling and how that messed with the threads of fate. She also retained Madoka's memory. She's special, sort of like the one being not changed at all from the previous Universe. So I do not have an issue with her retaining that ability in the sense that she retains those memories and presumably has more potential power than any other Magic Girl in Madoka's universe.2) Apparently if you are 'cut off' from the Law of Cycles a normal magical girl will still become a witch. Remove that influence, and - it's back to Witch Time.
That wasteland in the end of the anime is the same one on Rebellion. Homura goes there to die, and we can see she's becoming a witch by the wings she spawns. Those metal structures are part of the Isolation field that the Incubators use to restrain her from the law of cicles. Also, by the way Mitakihara is portrayed as a big city filled with smog, it's really easy to have a wasteland nearby.
The issue with the age argument is that Mami looked younger in her flashback of when she became a magical girl than she did in the series proper
... I don't think that's how entropy works.
Others have already mentioned this, but entropy wouldn't quite work that way. We have no indication that entropy here is anything other than the actual term entropy we know. Others have pointed out it would take billions of years more, but I want to add that because entropy is the cumulative result of energy tending to a more chaotic state (if you blow up a house and reconstruct it there is a loss in the process. The law of conservation of energy thus dictates that over time there is more loose energy that is unusable, and less energy that can actually be utilized). If entropy was being accelerated the way you suggest we wouldn't see deserts, we'd see everything disintegrating.
ahh at least the man of culture is back
Yep, and hopefully here to stay.
This ignores what was said in the anime, that Kyubey and the Incubators had been finding ways to reverse entropy for an extremely long time, but emotions were far more efficient, and when a magical girl became a witch they got a huge boost of energy from it, remember when Madoka became a magical girl she became the most powerful, but that would also mean she would become the most powerful witch, and the energy from that was far more than they would ever need in stopping the entropy in the universe, although she would also destroy the universe.
So it's not that they are needing magical girls to turn to witches otherwise they won't get enough energy, they were using that method to get the energy they needed faster and more efficiently.
The reason they invested time and effort in trapping Homura and trying to turn her into a witch and observe it was because Homura has told Kyubey all about witches and Kyubey and the Incubators decided it was something to investigate and see if they could find a more efficient way to get energy.
Also if the whole issue of entropy and the universe dying was such a pressing concern and immediate danger, then Kyubey wouldn't have been willing to abandon the energy that they could gather from the wraiths and emotions all together deciding that emotions were something that were unpredictable and uncontrollable and ultimately dangerous.
So are they more dangerous and terrifying than the end of the universe? Or is it that they can simply get the energy elsewhere like they had been before through less efficient means.
It just seems that they were hoping to gather the energy they needed over a period of a few centuries rather than over a period of thousands of years, and this was their solution.
Actually Homura didn't change anything either, just because it looks ok doesn't mean everything it's alright.
I just finished the series like 10 minutes ago. I'm still in tears but i just needed to know what happened..
Nevermind i didn't realize there were movies..I'll be back hopefully not in tears.
1) entropy happens on orders of magnitude larger than the sun collapsing. There would be thousands of suns collapsing and new earths before entropy is even noticeable. The things you say are evidence of entropy aren't signs of that at all, just local environmental damage (assuming it hasn't always been that way).
2) entropy isn't that big a deal. Even if it means the end of the universe, its a gentle slow decay that humanity needs to just except. The incubators approach was abusive to so many people and I don't think choosing a finite universe over that abuse is something to praise.
3) the incubators would totally put in work to set up this project if it meant they needed to do less work harvesting. Inefficient doesn't mean its not enough, just that they incubators would rather do less and they have no issue torturing girls and potentially destroying our planet if it would be easier.
I feel that the incubators motivation where actually a mix of curiosity and greed, rather than actual need. And I think they actually would've been open about it when confronted (would you believe them). It might be that there was enough energy at the time being but worries about future supplies if there were less witches in general too.
Very interesting video overall.
"There could be one behind you and you wouldn't even know." Checks surrounding area,looks like I'm good.
I think it honestly shows the difference in Madoka’s intellect versus Homura’s, in understanding the clear need for the Incubators and some form of efficient system to hold back the effects of Entropy. Otherwise Madoka might have rewritten or else erased the concept of the heat death altogether to save the trouble. Hell, going that route, she could’ve created a universe that is everlasting in its evolution, always changing and growing but never being destroyed. She has access to the freaking source codes for the laws of physics, there is no reason she couldn’t have done this except for the fact that she just didn’t understand it well enough. But in the same vein, the effect in Homura’s rewrite seems more beneficially accidental. She still only wants to create a world where Madoka can be happy. The idea that entropy is being staved off as a by product of her rewrite seems more of just a happy coincidence. It never seemed to me that she actively set out to stop them.
4:14 *turns around and sees cat starring at me emotionless*
Me: ....
Cat: ....
Me: ....Kyubey?....
For this theory to work entropy would have to work very differently than it does here. In real life it will be trillions of years before entropy is really noticed, and no individual thing (except black holes) would be affected by it, like the creation of a desert. Though it's still possible that Madoka's wish changed the efficiency enough that the universe would still experience its heat death.
It works differently
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It’s so good to have this back. I’ve missed it man.
Some of the problems with your theory:
1. Entropy is a real thing, it meassures how well distriputed energy. The second law of thermodinamics states that entropy will always increase in an isolated system (like the universe). This is the reason why perpetuum mobiles can't work. Kinetic energy will leave the mobile, so that it is distriputed better. Organized things like living creatures or even planets have a low entropy and therefor wouldn't be able to form in a universe with high entropy, because that would reduce the entropy. The earth constantly gets new energy from the sun, so entropy won't be a problem for us, as long, as the sun exists. The incubators use the witch energy on their planet far away, so their plan wouldn't effect us in like the next billion years or something. Their plan is for the very very distant future.
=> Entropy couldn't have effected the earth in any way.
2. Why wouldn't the incubators try out that experiment, even if the energy was enough? The potential benefit seams worth it.
3. Hunting wraiths all over the world seems to be a pretty effectiv way of finding as many as posible.
4. We see cities in the scenes in which the characters are brought into the labyrinth.
I remember there is a scene in the movie version after kyoko sacrifices herself, Homura is in a vast cemetery where she talks to Kyubey. Shaft is pretty well known for their weird architecture and background design. That's why when the ending in the series shows Homura in the middle of the desert with the wraiths I figured this one of those scenes. Likely to portray Homura being the only person who knows everything about previous and current world.
Does anyone ever question how its even possible for witches to exist in any form in the third Madoka Movie??? Given the nature of Madoka's wish I always considered this to be kind of plot hole meaning Nagisa and Sayaka being able to have access to there witch forms should not have been possible after Madoka's wish in the third movie but somehow it was? Also anyone ever questions how Kyubey was able to get away with the crap he did in the third movie since Madoka's wish made it possible for her to see all timelines and possibles past, present, and future???? Yet another plot hole that I don't think the creators really took into account when deciding what would happen within the third movie and be on it. Also the video is interesting though I've yet to complete the wraith and notice many people are mentioning to below what happens in there so makes this theory hard to sallow but I still enjoyed it never the less mostly cause of the observations you made about how the world in Madoka looked at the end of the series and how it all looked after Madoka came down for Homura will admit I spend so much time thinking about Madoka but that particular detail did lose me a bit.
Nagisa and Sayaka describe themselves as "Madoka's private secretaries", so it wouldn't be surprising that they'd be more powerful then the average Magical Girl and be able to do things that Magical Girls wouldn't be able to do, i.e. summoning the witch forms that they used to have.
Also Madoka *did* see the future where Kyubey did all the crap he did with Homura's labyrinth. That's why she sent Nagisa down to the labyrinth along with Sayaka and tasked them with rescuing Homura.
Being her personal secretaries has noting to do with the fact that witches should not exist within the series after Madoka made her wish so there is no reason what so ever as to why they should have been able to call upon there witch forms at all since they simply should not have existed after Madoka's wish point blank and simple.
They gave no rhyme or reason why or how this was even possible or why it was made to happen and in truth noting was even explained about the nature of what types of powers or abilities they had as her personal secretaries again given the nature of Madoka's wish that should not have been possible regardless of whatever position Sayaka and Nagisa were placed in.
This is just an example of poor writing on the part of the creators for not at least giving us some form of a proper explanation as to why this was made to be possible I mean in truth those two having those specifics powers in the third movie were not even needed given what was actually going on in the movie all things considered so its not like they even had to have those two be given witch powers as Madoka's personal secretaries they could have easily just been themselves but just stronger than normal magical girls just because but instead they completely reconed Madoka's wish for witches not to exist and did not bother to at least find away to justify it.
Just saying they were Madoka's personal secretaries tells us noting of why this was made to be the case I mean hell the fact that they were her personal secretaries makes it even more bogus that they have access to there witch forms since Madoka was the one that made the wish. its simply piss poor writing when it comes to this aspect of the series from my perspective.
Also the point I was trying to make regarding Madoka and her inability to see what kyubey had planed to do was given the nature of her wish in other words if you go back and watch episode 12 and listen to what madoka says she mentions "I have the ability to see the past, present and future and all the different possibilities in each timeline" something along those lines and given she mentioned this after making her wish means she should have been able to know what kyubey would do to Homura but yet this is another pothole and another example of terrible writing on the part of the creators for not finding away to explain this pothole in away where it makes since within the third movie
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You seem to be forgetting that Sayaka and Nagisa summon their witch forms while in a barrier that's cut off from the Law of Cycles. This is proven by the fact that their witch forms disappear once the barrier is destroyed. It also explains why Sayaka can summon her witch form again in Homura's new world, because it's also cut off from the Law of Cycles. Also I don't really get your argument that Madoka didn't know that Kyubey would do the things he did. It's never said that in the movie that Madoka didn't know that Kyubey would do what he did, if she didn't know what Kyubey would do to her and Homura then she wouldn't have given Sayaka and Nagisa her memories to hold on to when they are pulled into Homura's labyrinth. I'll admit that my argument of them being her personal secretaries doesn't really explain how they can have access to their witch forms. It was a rather poor argument.
The best explanation I could think of for the ending (On a logical sense that is, if we look at it character-wise the ending makes perfect sense) is that Homura and Madoka share a special connection at the end of the series and that makes their powers linked in some way. With things like Homura wielding a bow just like Madoka, the post-credits sequence after the final episode with Homura sprouting wings, and that fact that according to Sayaka, Madoka refers to Homura as a "special friend". Another explanation I've heard is that Homura had just as much Karmic Destiny as Madoka with her having just as much despair built up in her soul-gem as Madoka had when she made her Universe changing wish. However, these are all just theories and if I were to be completely honest, Rebellion's ending was explained pretty poorly but it doesn't really ruin the entire film for me like it does for other people.
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Well the thing is that Madoka is still god, the Law of Cycles is still around, also Homura never developed past her Obsession of Madoka. The point of Rebellion is about Homura coming to terms with her hatred for Madoka's wish. This video does an amazing job of Analyzing Homura's character: th-cam.com/video/TEq9rLlGnA4/w-d-xo.html
Also I've seen people speculate that Madoka did see Homura's wish coming and purposefully let herself get split because while she was content with being a concept at first, she ultimately regrets her wish. However, I myself speculate that Madoka saw Homura's betrayal as a possibility but didn't think she'd actually do it, so then when she does do it Madoka is shocked. The scene where Madoka briefly gets her memory back and asks "Why" (kinda-sorta) supports this. But then again like I said before, it's just a theory.
The problem with Rebellion's ending isn't that it's out of Character for Homura (because it isn't) but rather that there wasn't a reasonable explanation for how Homura obtained the power to create a labyrinth the size of the universe. However, this doesn't really bug me because I believe that it can easily be explained in whatever comes next in the series (or at least I hope there will be something next).
I mean homura may be the hero but I wouldn't exactly call madoka a villain
Lol Homura's no hero- The world was going to end in both timelines whether homura tried to save madoka or not. If she hadn't tried to save madoka, she would make a contract with Incubator, turn into a magical girl, and eventually become a witch and destroy the world in only 10 days; as homura said I believe when consulting with Kyoko in her house the one time she did. Homura's attempt to "save" her just wrought a different kind of end to everything. She isn't a hero nor a villain, and morally madoka could be considered a "hero" because of the intent behind her wish, but it still will never play out well in any kind of timeline involving madoka or a homura that's conscious of her existence/fate.
"Let me just check my sub box for videos to look forward too for tomorrow before I go to bed"
*Sees video about Madoka Magica*
"Okay, sleep can wait"
Well I hope it's worth losing some sleep over. XD
4:10 By telling Kyuubey about the old system Homura was setting things up to manipulate them into trying to bring back the old ways. She knew that Kyuubey's race would have a hard time passing up such a valuable resource if they knew about it. When the Incubators made a move on Madoka, Homura could intercede and then take control of the situation.
Interesting theory, though I think it might just be Gen Urobuchi trying to be morally grey as usual. Madoka saved all magical girls from suffering, but in turn she may ( or may not) have doomed the universe. So I guess if the theory is actually right, Madoka is actually being selfish by making that wish.
My understanding of a villain is someone who is intentionally committing evil acts, therefore I think Madoka Kaname cannot be classified as a one. Kyubey, on the other hand, is very suspect, if not downright guilty.
It's hard to apply human values to alien life forms heck human morals aren't consistent in the slightest considering how it can vary greatly from culture to culture or even person to person, I wonder if it's nothing more than a social construct
Your theory is close and has some interesting leads to go on but you might want to read the manga for more information.
Like the fact that Madoka had to remake the universe A SECOND TIME because she fucked up so much the first time she attempted it. (Namely the Wrath Arc in the Manga)
Or the fact that Homera did nearly 100 time loops to try and save Modoka, spending nearly 12 YEARS trying to save her, reliving the same MONTH again and again. And during that time she stopped telling Modoka about the time loop because she suspected that Modoka was killing herself just to force Homera to save Modoka AND her doomed friends as well.
And lastly the fact that in a universe without Modoka there should be NO REASON for Homera to become a magical girl in the first place. Think about it, Homera became a magical girl because she wanted to save Modoka. Without her she shouldn't have become a magical girl because her wish was undone. And yet somehow Homera gets the idea of making a wish to protect someone who doesn't exist?
Lastly there is the way that Modoka treats Homera. Remember that this new Modoka has reality bending powers AND access to ALL of her memories from the nearly 100 time loops. And she chooses to keep Homera a magical girl. Or more accurately as a fail safe. Modoka knows the extreme length Homera will go to try and save Modoka. So she kept her around and a magical girl just in case anything (like fucking up the world AGAIN) happens.
I love ur voice so calming :) also I like your anime theories 😍👌
The Wraith arc says otherwise.
I don't think it's already the end of the world, just SHAFT being weird and it shows the contrast between Homura's dream world and the cold hard no-Madoka reality better. And since there are a bunch of other people that Homura lured in her barrier (like Hitomi, Kyosuke, the teacher, etc.), the world is nowhere near dead. The new method while not as effective as the old one, isn't necessarily bad or insufficient for the universe. The Incubators are much smarter and more developed than humans, so of course they would try and experiment other ways if they know there's a better way in hand. You don't need to be hungry to get to the dining room and have a cake. Plus, Madoka as a God can see everything happening from the past to the future. She couldn't see Homura's actions at the end of Rebellion because Homura had transcended all humanity, but if the end of the world was due to her wish, she should be able to see it.
I guess I'm biased because I really like Madoka, but it doesn't make sense.
Madoka is unflinchingly optimistic. Her wish, therefore, will cause the most neglect. Because it has the least critical thinking from the most good intentions.
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Madoka may be optimistic, but she isn't stupid. She gave Sayaka the option of revoking her wish, or keeping her wish and dying. Madoka wasn't trying to solve all of the magical girls' problems, she was just trying to give them a better end, and she succeeded.
Welcome back, it seems like it's been awhile since your last video, also I loved Madoka Magica it was a great anime! 😄😁👍
Happy New Year!! 🙌😄😁👍
One point Homura didn't work with the incubators, they sealed her without her knowing
Imma have to agree with everything you said here, Madoka is an accident villain. The best wish she cOULD’VE made is for entropy to never come. Her wish making all the witches of the past future and present to all cease to exist just fastens the state or entropy to come 😐
Lucky for us we’re too traumatised to get disturbed by this
I feel like a fair portion of the anime can be summarized with "That's not how entropy works"
I love the Film Theory type thumbnail
I’m ready for my favorite time the suffering of others
It's really the best time.
The whole series is like
Madoka:I want to be a magical girl!!!
Homura: no you don’t
How did Kyubei capture Hummura in the first place to conduct their "law of cycles" experiment? She was really stupid to tell him the whole story though.
Ohhhh this explains it! I was asking it myself aswell, since the anime doesn't give you the details (perhaps because young girl? viewers aren't caught up on physics formulas?), but there was one clue that could hint at this...
Yay, another reason I can add to my collection of why Homura is best girl, and why she did nothing wrong.
True. (Though Sayaka is my personal fave. =D)
They are all best girls, no preference
Homura is best girl, but she did alot wrong. She has the most critical thinking of the bunch and is most stoic and tortured, is why she is best.
Homura is by logic the most selfish one of them all for putting everyone and everything else on the line in the name of her "love" (obsession) with Madoka.
Best Girl indeed Homura is love Homura is life
Good job!
Thank you!
the despair could be harvested by Incubator, because the despair was not destroyed, just taken away from the soul gem. As seen in the last episode, all that despair took form of a witch, which could be harvested...
May as well be names The Tragedy of Magical Homura
Homura is the hero. Idk about kyubei though.
The theory breaks down when you say that the earth is already collapsing due to entropy. Kyubey explains it himself best- "The amount of energy obtained by burning a log isn't equal to the amount of energy it took for the tree to grow the log- energy is lost". The process would take trillions and trillions of years, its not some force that just causes things to decay for no reason.
Its not just a matter of fiction, its real world physics. Entropy basically means that energy isn't conserved. Technically speaking, when you burn a log, you only get 80% of the energy within the log, that energy being given off in the form of light and heat. But not all that energy is reusable, its permanently lost to the environment. Taken to its extreme- There's only so many logs that can be burned before we run out. Only so many stars in the sky that can live, until they go out. Because the energy they give off can't redistribute itself in a way to burn indefinitely in some form, we say that the energy is lost.
This is why Kyubey wants magical girls- they basically serve as perpetual motion/free energy machines, which can create energy out of 'nothing;. Hence why he states ," our society was looking for a source of energy that wasn't bound by thermodynamics/physics."
edit: still a good video though
This is great, love to see something different. Tbh this can even be the plot of the upcoming Madoka movie, which is to discover what Madoka's wish has cause to the real world.
Lol, this makes the anime better xD
I was thinking about this and how the entropy would be more after the wish
Pretty nice theory! Totally makes sense.
Kyubey wanted to bring back the witches not because the wraiths were generating enough energy to sustain the natural entropy of the universe but because they are insatiable parasites who dont just want "enough" energy, they want all of the energy possible, and consider witches the natural conclusion to the magical girl life cycle. the Kubey are fully willing to kill off all of humanity to get that energy as seen by Kyubeys complete disinterest in stopping or, prevent walpurgis Natch in the series.
Damn, I never thought about it this way before, this was a pretty good theory.
Welp, now I'm just sad....despairing even.
Well, I think that the end of the series, Homura walking though that wasteland, was intended to show some end of the world in a far future where Homura is still fighting for her beloved Madoka without any sign of frustration or despair. But as far as I know at that point the idea for Rebellion didnt exist and the creator actually never wanted to make a sequel. So I think that that scene just doesnt fit anymore because Rebellion changed everything and "another future" has been created for the movie, where Homura suddenly noticed how shit everything is and that the only way for her to see Madoka again is to succumb despair. What she than did intentionally....however you can do that.
About the wasteland around Homura in Rebellion, I thought of it as a direct effect of either the incubators time prison bubble thing or of Homuras uncontroled witch magic. But I dont know what additional information the other Madoka Mangas could yield. Are they worth reading?
Woah! This actually makes a lot of sense.
The thumbnail is exactly what matpat would have made if he did this video
Thats magical girls folks.
Magical girls still age thoe. You can see this with mami and her flashback from when she made her wish. Roberta is a witch that became a witch in her 20s. Production notes state that they age
About the magical girls body not aging thing, we’ve seen them aging in Magia record but in their transformations they de age. Dunno if that’s cannon but all the transformations for the holy quintet have them as adults de aging
I am going to have to see the movies now. Because this sounds amazing!
I wonder what would happen in the next movie
Wow, and right when I was starting to assume Madoka Magica could not get more messed up.
Good Theory video Duo, keep up the good work.
Thanks. I'll try to keep it up!
Guess we'll have to wait until Walpurgisnacht Rising to more answers (or doubts)
Hommura being the main character isn't a theory, but fact. If you listen to the lyrics of the intro it becomes apparent in hindsight that it's talking about Hommura, not Madoka. Showing Madoka front and center in pink frilly magical outfits gallivanting around was just a red herring.
Glad you kept the intro basically. But madoka was a great one to me but i will listen
This is a great theory, however I don't really think madoka made the universe colapse because in the newer mangas we see 4 types of wraiths normal, shugen, satori and moshka all having varrying levels of power and the wraiths that desguise as people/magical girls
Dark Souls Magical Girls!
Uh.. You know Madoka wasn't looking for a method that priorized the universe, right? She was focused on the magical girls and their suffering.
But the incubators didn't go for witches, their goal was the law of the cycle as the energy source. infinite energy
glad this is still a thing!
Me too.