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one thing to note is that Sayaka's journey is much like the mermaid of the little mermaid's journey(Her witch form taking on a mermaid tail). Sayaka much like the mermaid makes a deal with kyubey(The sea witch) and gets the power to be a magical girl(human) to gain the love of Kyosuke(The Prince)... But as the days go by she is unable to due to what she discovers... She is essentially a zombie(Has no voice) and due to that Hitomi(The opposite love interest) comes in and takes Kyosuke away. Unable to deal with it, she lives on her days, using magic when Homura and Kyouko/Kyoko try in vain to get her to use grief seeds to clear in her gem(Given a knife to kill the prince). Sayaka refuses and in turn succumbs to despair and turns into a witch(Into seafoam). It's a pretty artistic interpretation of The Little Mermaid tale.
I love that all their wishes come true and it’s not a monkey’s paw or genie situation. Like they get exactly what they wish for and it’s more about the consequences of their wish rather than having to come up with a specifically worded wish
It's a great example of the meaning of "be careful what you wish for" in the truest sense of the world - actually carry out your wish to its logical real life consequences before making it - instead of a game of wits or luck
Actually Mami also regrets a lot about her own wish, as seen in the PSP portable game and in the Different Story manga, she deeply regrets not having saved her parents instead of just saving herself in that car accident
Damn, I always just assumed they had died from the impact or something similar and that wasn't even an option, but I guess not. That makes it even more sad
@@ProfessorViral to be specific her regret is that knowing she could have save both herself and her family , that is why she tell madoka and sayaka to think hard for their wish.
I thought it was very interesting how in a different story, Mami hears Candeloro in her shadow, like how Kuro hears her Doppel in Magia record Edit: Mami's survivors guilt mirrors the cognitive dissonance of Charlotte's magical girl Nagisa. Nagisa's wish was essentially to give her Mother something she liked when her mother just wanted to be healthy and resented Nagisa as she couldn't even recover let alone care for a child alone so Nagisa was a reminder to her mother of her partner who left her so she unfairly treated Nagisa. Nagisa's true wish was to be loved by a maternal figure, Mami's true wish was to be with people who needed her and loved her. That's why Charlotte would always Kill Mami. Their true hearts desires resolve eachother, just like Sayaka and Kyoko. The best part about rebellion is seeing Kyoko's theory come into reality as Akumura balances Madokami returning a pseudo law of cycles. I really wish Magia Record's staff realized this before writing their story as then it would be a proper sequel to the series and be far more compelling of a story but at least they gave us that incredible Holy Mami vs Sayaka + Yachiyo Scene. 👌👌That sakuga tho 👌👌
Its as simple as "some things aren´t meant to be" and wishes try to what shouldn´t be. The outcome is rarely worth the trouble. This why I like the Magia Record spin-off since it has many more examples of wishes and the regret that comes with it. In the game/anime is a magical girl named Rika Ayano who was in love with her female best friend who had a boyfriend. Being heartbroken and blinded by her feelings she wished for her friend to love her instead. It gave her the power to change people´s attraction but it led to her friend and bf to forget each other even though they were in love. Her happiness doesn´t last long once she realizes she wished for a lie and worked hard to get the two of them to fall in love again, effictively undoing her own wish and leaving her with nothing but the burden of being a magical girl.
Boiled down, pretty much. I had to avoid the second bit of the comment because I do want to check out the rest of the Madoka Magica media as blind as possible sometime, but I appreciate it as always!
@@ProfessorViral Oh yeah in that case I'm sorry for spoiling something. Although in this characters case she is basically just one of many side characters that was exclusive to the game the spin off is based on
Okay, this puts Doppels into a really interesting perspective. They're what happens when a Magical Girl can tap into their nature as Witches without fully clouding their Soul Gem, and that's an oddly powerful metaphor with this context. It implies that some wishes truly are worth it, to the point where the misery you go through strengthens you to go even further. You can get pushed, beaten down and forced to grovel, but if that wish is truly worth the cost and you want it to be worth the cost, you use that abuse and make it into armor, like how many of the Doppels seem to be the Witches in an armorlike state around the Magical Girls. I might be pulling stuff out my ass but this feels really apt here.
Ah.... i mean KIND OF. The Doppel System is an anomaly exclusive to the universe of Magia Record... for a dstinct reason of which enters spoiler territory if you are experiencing the story from the anime exclusively. To put it simply, Doppels are more like hitting a reset button on a soul gem by expelling the would-be witch and all its impurity in a single summon-like entity before dispelling all together. The metaphor and analogy of witches in this video doesn't quite fit Doppels themselves as they are a more self-contained entity outside of the original story. Not to mention the psycological draw backs of relying on your doppel too much (ironically only ever explored in the anime adaptation and never once mentioned in the game)
@@tylerclapp9422 The idea of the Doppels being a release of the Witch's curses is effectively venting, which can be a coping mechanism. It still fits the idea that you're becoming better through your trials and tribulations and thus using them like one would armor.
@@mikhailthegreatestdragon3627 except not really though... its an unnatural phenomena that should not be and really shouldnt be given more significance than a plot device as its literally being used as one in Arc 2 within the game-- and in an incredibly interesting way ontop of that. Doppels dont work in this metaphor for the exact reason its not a natural occurrence. I really dont wanna spoil the story since I dont want to ruin the experience for anyone who has yet to read through the game/ waiting for the anime to finish but its most certainly not one that "makes you a better person" more so a "Cheating death and the consequences of it"
@@tylerclapp9422 I don't think I mentioned anything about it making you a better person, my whole point is it making your wish worth it by becoming stronger than the circumstances putting you down. I guess I see where you're coming from, but there's a difference between becoming "good" and being "better". Given all the timeline shenanigans too, it's only unnatural in the scope of freaking Madokami, that's not really the same as the scope of the magical girls doing it since a lot of them do figure it out later down the line, so calling it unnatural cause one timeline out of thousands popped an anomaly(which by the way is expected given how probability works) doesn't really say anything. Also, the fact that it does have consequences in and of itself *does* lend to my idea of it being like venting. Even that can become toxic if done with reckless abandon. If you don't do anything to actually fix the situation, of course you're always gonna need it, it's why people can become addicted to the need to let out their rage or negative thoughts.
It is interesting that while Kyoko becomes selfish after the effects of her wish, there are cracks in her shell. In the Puella Magi Oriko Magica manga, Kyoko ends up taking in Yuma Chitose, a child who lost her parents to a Witch, because it reminded her of her own sister
I watched Madoka Magica during Junior High School and the final episode where Madoka cleanses all the magical girl's gems hits very differently now compared to back then. I mean yeah Madoka essentially become a goddess and back then my reading was that all the magical girls who almost turn to witches have been saved, as in they are still alive and living their life after possibly a nap in the outside world. Nowadays the readings are at the very least hopeful but still grim. Those magical girls who were saved by Madoka still died, however they died as humans at the very least.
I guess everything, aside from the enemy they face, does end up mostly the same, so things couldn't have changed much in the past, meaning their fates would be the same. It's definitely a small condolence, but one very fitting for everything here
Funfact: Gen Urobochi states in an interview that the girls dont actually die when they are taken by the Law of Cycles. They are actually instead put in a permanent stasis and remain asleep for all eternity (their physical forms anyway) while their subconscious is presumably universally connected to the hub which i would assume is the ethereal plane that is the Law of Cycles itself. Sayaka's and Octavia's passages in the Rebellion Production notes support this by saying something akin to Sayaka feeling like she woke from a very long dream when taking on the rescue mission. Think Kazumi Magica's "Freezer" concept but on a universal scale and more magical.
@@ProfessorViral I would go further and say that it is something worth fighting for. Madoka didn't save their lives, but she saved something else: the meaning of their choices. If becoming a Magical Girl had to mean eventually becoming a witch, then any wish for justice would eventually turn to ashes in the injustice created by the final witch. But now that witches are no longer created, Kyōko's karmic equation -- good and evil zero out in the end -- is no longer true. It is now possible for Magical Girls to live a meaningful life, fight a meaningful fight, and die a meaningful death. That is, I think, a very significant improvement. It has been said that it is as if Madoka, with her wish, had created a world in which 'gentler' magical girl series like Sailor Moon or Pretty Cure are possible. In which being a magical girl no longer means simply being a source of anti-entrorpic energy.
@@ProfessorViral Pretty much. Joking aside, he did manipulate teenagers who aren't as likely to ask too many questions. Kyubey is a lot of horrible things, but he is honest with you so long as you make an effort to ask. He doesn't mind that a girl will be wise enough to say no, because at the end of the day Kyubey knows that there are countless others out there that are willing to take up the offer.
@@philippeandreadoviakueamba1265 Again I'm mostly being facetious with the T&C bit. My main point is basically "If it's too good to be true, it probably is". In other words, you should probably ask more questions about any proposition given. But teenagers being teenagers, they were blown away enough by the demo the other magical girls showed that they just didn't(with Madoka being the exception).
@@joecrazy9896 Kyubey is really careful with his wording though, even when asked directly. Like when Kyoko asked if it was possible to bring back Sayaka after she'd become a witch, he said something along the lines of "I've never seen it done before, but maybe". When it fails and Homura asks him directly about it, he says flat out says "I knew it would never work" so he could trap Madoka into making a wish. He's just really good at preying on desperate kids looking for a sliver of hope.
Hmm, I feel like Sayaka's feelings are being simplified. For Sayaka it's not that Kyosuke didn't love her or couldn't love her. It's that she, in her current state, felt unlovable. It comes off that she felt that asking him to love a zombie was wrong. She made a wish, for love, hoping to have a future with someone only for that wish to turn her into what she considers a monster that shouldn't be loved. It would be a lie. He started dating Hitomi because she asked, Sayaka didn't, it's that simple. Kyosuke could have loved her, but because of her wish now Sayaka feels unworthy of that love, and it was her wish that made her lose him in the first place.
Here’s the sad thing about Homura. She will never be able to stop Madoka from becoming a magical girl because Madoka was already a magical girl before Homura made her wish.
Yes and no, there seems to be a period of time between when Homura wakes up in the hospital bed when starting a new timeline and meeting Madoka at school. While yes you're right that she was already a magical girl in the first/original timeline, it might say something that Homura's point or restart is before that day of school, especially if Madoka isn't always a magical girl by that day. I kind of took it as the day Homura is discharged is the day she can make the difference since she doesn't seem to restart on the exact day they are to meet and think that's an important detail that might makea difference in Homura's plans and Madoka's path. I don't recall if it's a few days or a whole week between those days, but it almost gives me the impression that this means Homura could just as well Meet madoka before she starts school and that that could make a difference in what happens as if the day Madoka made her wish the first time was in that day or the domino effect of her making that wish starts on that day and not so much the day she met Homura.
Even if the cost of a wish is the most obvious theme of the anime, that's the first video i watched about PMMM that covers this theme in depth, and expanded my vision about it. Great work.
"Something endlessly good happened, but how much had to go into it" A very fitting statement given that she was only able to make that wish because of homura's time loops. Plus if everything zeroes out in the end I guess it makes sense what happens with Homura in Rebellion
I was actually thinking about just how much Madoka gave up, but it's even more fitting that it's something good coming from Homura suffering (all of them really, but they don't remember it) through the same time again and again
I like how you connected the wishes in PMMM as equivalent to our own dreams, usually to the dreams of creators (music, film, art, writing, etc), about how much we sacrifice to get somewhere. It's scary to think that you will never have to stop paying, just like Homura, and that for people to have their dreams come true in this world, others must fail. So who of us who are working so hard for our dreams are destined to fail, have we already failed and not even realized it. Like Homura, she hasn't failed until she's given up, and we see that she failed in the end anyway she couldn't save Madoka. I am filled with existential dread lol hopefully we have more control of our destiny than magical girls. I love your analysis, never knew this anime could be relatable in this way aside from the generic "be careful what you wish for"'
It is sad, knowing that from day one, Homura could never really succeed in saving anyone. And that some people are always going to have to see failure. It's something that makes me think a lot if that's a factor of our societies, or human nature. But I guess we won't be able to say, at least not for a long time. But, sorry for rambling, I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
I quite like your analysis of PMMM wishes as coresponding to our own dreams and aspirations, and their consequences. You've given me some new food for thought concerning this anime which I dearly love.
This video is an example of why Madoka Magica is my favorite anime as well, and has such staying power in fandom. It invites us to explore profound questions of philosophy and the human condition, but we have to communicate with others about these questions in order to understand them better ourselves. You can probably say this about any piece of media that persists within the cultural zeitgeist. As a result we can keep exploring new territory in PMMM even though that content is relatively limited.
To me, that's always the mark of a truly great series; how long after the fact can it keep producing meaningful thought and conversation. By that mark, these 12 episodes were an amazing success
this video really had me think about myself, “the best thing you can do is hide it” really hit me, i’ve found i’ve become selfish and prefer to hide away my friends because i went so long without anyone. I’ve joined clubs but the idea of inviting new people to them terrify me because what if i no longer have the position on life that i do. i’ll definitely be thinking about this for weeks to come
I recently got back into pmmm and your analysis' are absolutely amazing, especially seeing them super recent! I absolutely love the way you word things, and how you explore something as simple as the wishes in Madoka Magica in such a great depth and make it all the more clarifying. Watching this also made me realize a lot more about the wishes and their consequences, especially how certain characters relate to one another in this concept, so thank you for that! Love watching these a lot, and I hope the new movie coming out explores some of these dynamics. Thank you!!
the explanation of mami's wish resulting in loneliness made me think about how she uses her ribbons: to keep someone or something in place, or to bring it closer to her to make contact, and the more this someone or something struggles, the tighter the grip is those ribbons are like a metaphor for her trying to have someone to be by her side so she won't be alone anymore the more i look into mami's whole character, it further cements why she's my favorite character in this series also, if any of you have thoughts similar to this that applies to the other magical girls, please reply-- i'd love to hear them!
I didn't think about her ribbons at all, but I like that idea, and it does fit with her character quite well. Her powers let her hold on things, but she herself has hardly anything to hold onto, which is a great note. I guess Kyoko using a spear could be similar to this, since she's also alone, and keeps people at a distance, at least until she takes an interest in Sayaka. So she has a weapon that's best used when keeping foes at a distance
That's basically the basis of her Witch form, "Candeloro": A witch that invites people to her tea parties by tying them up to chairs with her ribbons. They wanna leave? Well, just tighten up the grip, even if that kills them. This is both from the mobile games as well as the Different Story manga.
@@iijel0e it's when Mami is about to fall into despair and has a vision of a child version of herself tempting her into a world full of tea parties where she'll never be alone. That child Mami is essentially Candeloro.
I rewatch this series at least once every few months when I find myself rewatching the anime & movie. It might not have the most views, but I think this vid is some of your finest work.
I thought a lot about wishes, and came to the conclusion, if I had just one wish, I'd wish to never regret not having wished for something else instead. Of course, I can already see two ways this might go: Either the wish is rejected, because it does not make sense, or, and this is what I'd expect from an entity like Kyubey, my mind would be altered to leave me incapable of regret.
Not too long ago I was very not into anime , until a friend forced me to watch k on. After that I got into more than found your channel and started watching the ones off your best of list. Modoka magica stands out as one of the finest examples of introspective writing in not just the anime medium but in all mediums of art. Show really makes you question alot of things and goes hard on the feels. Thank you for that list
100%. And while I talk about most abstract concepts within anime here, that presentation of it is a huge part of its success. The same ideas in an anime that was presented differently could have made for a terrible show
wishes become curses when you're getting tunnel vision - a wish is a future that has not happened yet, but you should never forget to also live in the now, otherwise, it's time you never get back - so yeah, you may not literally paying with your life, but with a significant part of lifetime, so make your decisions wisely
My advice? Know the difference between a goal and a dream. Dreams are a distraction you can enjoy whenever you want. Goals are smaller more obtainable "dreams". Like getting a job you can commit to, getting your own place, having a good friend. Smaller goals can be real and lead to the frame work of your own hidden unknown dream by happy accident. A huge and grandeous dream like fame and wealth? These are obtainable but only after reducing your life to an empty shell.
Very true, looking at the grand scope of things here, I didn't really address that distinction, or how it can help. Small goals can even lead up to sum into what one may call a dream, but make it actually attainable!
@@ProfessorViral I had a lot of simplistic but large dreams; Like becoming a doctor who used herbs instead of pharmacy drugs. But my goals were to be confident, independent, and to write what makes me happy. I have all these things and I'm content with where I am. Really the only part of my goal thst would make it an obtainable dream would be to adopt a cat for emotional support. Unfortunately, I can't pay for a cat on a seasonal based income.
I'm listening to this video again, and here's one thought: If, as it seems, you're saying that PMMM wishes reflect our own desires and aspirations, then there is no inherent problem with them, just as there is no inherent problem with our desires and aspirations. Rather, in both cases, the problems come from, e.g., us misunderstanding our own desires and aspirations (thinking we want X because we need it, when in fact it's for some other reasons), or mistaken assumptions about ourselves (thinking we want X because it will make us happy, when in fact it won't). Is that so? There is nothing in itself bad, no inherent problem, with being granted a wish, any wish; the problem comes from our own mistaken assumptions about what we 'really' want and why. So there's nothing intrinsically wrong with the 'shortcut' aspect of wishes -- you get what you wish right now, without having to work to get it? A quick'n'easy level upgrade, no grinding involved? Personally, I have sometimes wondered (both about PMMM and other wish-granting stories) if having a wish suddenly granted isn't more like a moment for self discovery and growth, an opportunity to check if we are what we think we are, if we want/need what we think we wan/need, instead of something else. It's like suddenly inheriting a fortune (money being our closest approximation to a wish-granting genie): it may be an opportunity for us to confront ourselves with what we thought were our wants or needs, and, if we're wise enough to learn from it, grow.
Your Madoka videos have eally inspired me to do more deeper analysis if the series that I love so much. Do you think you will ever cover The Different Story? I genuinely think it's story is up there with Rebellion in how it's presented, and it'd be amazing to give it more spotlight as Madoka soars back into relevancy thanks to Movie 4.
Moral of the story? Be as specific as you can with what you wish for. Anything you don’t specify is subject to high entropy; What Kyubey is responsible for. For every wish you get, a dream is sacrificed.
If I was a girl in this anime universe and was given one wish that will come true, I would wish my friend who I love more than just as friend, would love me back the same way I love them. After granted we would be happy for ever right? For a time yes. But as time passes and I fight witches I would sooner or later come to realize that the love we have is not real. It is something that did not bloom naturally, it was forced upon. That reality slowly sneaking into my mind again and again as hard as I try to push it away would corrupt my hope, my will, my soulgem untill eventually the truth would break me and my Soulgem turns into Griefseed. Eventual end all magical girls face untill...she made the wish yo save all magical girls
Except she isn't saving them. She's essentially mercy killing them. Which is just a temporary compromise. After watching rebellion and the conversation between Kyubee and Homura. I think that Kyubee's plan when granting Madoka's wish was actually to have the Kyubee in the altered universe capture and enslave the god that Madoka would become. But he messed up and made Homura into a being that shouldn't exist. Thus giving a 14 year old girl who tormented for 12 years the power to stop him. Now he's likely being tormented by Homura everyday because... what else does she have to do. Other than throwing herself off cliffs but being unable to die.
@@EveryMan-yz1ce Oh it's you. The famous Every Man. Ok, in my opinion...Madoka again, of course. She's still the main protagonist of this whole franchise, so I wouldn't mind if she takes her original spot again. There are some people predicting it would be Mami since she is the least focused Puella Magi. But let's see, I think it wouldn't be a surprise if Madoka is again the protagonist of the next movie.
I wish to start over in New Zealand & that would be my Happy ever After with me&my stuff&my German Shepherd & hopefully my dream Beach house Home in New Zealand & I am willing to Risk it all. 💖
I just found your channel, (my first video was your analysis on Wonder Egg Priority, maybe you could do some more analysis videos on WEP if you have any ideas :)). You really make great videos and you’re analyzing of these animes are astonishing to see! I just finished Madoka Magica and goodness it’s so sad towards the end, to see these girls suffer so much. Again your analysis on MM is so well written! Should I watch all 3 movies or just watch Rebellion, (as I’m pretty sure the first two are recaps of what happened)? Hope you can make more videos on WEP + MM, great work!! 😁
I know this question doesn't fit with the theme of the video, exactly, but! Were there any other instances of a Wish influencing the powers of a Magical Girl? I seem to remember someone saying Sayaka heals faster than any of the others because she made a Wish that involved healing? Was this ever explored further? I think that's a really neat idea, at any rate.
Thank you! I will cover the additional media for Madoka Magica sometime for sure! I actually meant to mention that in the video, but it slipped my mind until after I'd exported 🤣
@@ProfessorViral I'm so glad to hear it! Your coverage on this IP is amazing, I would love to hear you cover the expanded universe and it's characters in depth. Keep going! You're making great videos!
Mami and Homura...two sides of the same coin. Two desperate girls who are the most connected to their former humanity, to the point they commit small, yet impactful atrocities for their respective causes. One is a lost sheep who tries to become an angel who burns away everything her pain touches. The other becomes a Devil who enslaves whoever she needs to just to preserve the person she loves, claiming it is her new graceful purpose, after her fall from the original grace.
There was an interesting fanfic I was reading in which a being from Kyubey's race gained emotional freedom and tried to help the girls in the timeline the show happens in... but it ruined it with the introduction of Slenderman. Seriously, there were so many other characters the author could have brought to the story that fitted way better, such as Elizabeth from "BioShock"...but maybe I'm being too harsh. Maybe I should try to reread it and see if there's any logic to this character being included in the story. Do you think this course of action makes sense ?
Want to hear something worse about Madokas wish......it didn't work One witch still survived if you don't want the spoilers in the Wraith Arc of the manga that touches up on there story after the main season look down The witch that lived was her own witch The Witch of Salvation Kriemhild Gretchen still lived in the old timeline and is trying to spread her curse to Madokas world and infecting the wraiths that Madoka made. And caused Homura to remember the old world and what happened there and for some reason she told the rat Kyubie it as well. For the full story check out Wraith Arc
Idk man, the way you describe the wishes rubs me the wrong way. I can’t quite express why in words. I have literally been trying for 15 minutes to think of a way to phrase it.
It just feels like your not talking about how the system of magical girls can be compared to capitalism and capitalism is just a system that needless makes us fight each other, there are honestly enough resources in the world to educate, feed, clothe, and house everyone on earth but we don’t because it’s not profitable. Like if we were in a social society you could have more control over your vision because then the people you worked with would be doing it for there own will to help you rather than need to in order not to starve
I'll yield entirely that this analysis relies on our current societal structure to be true. I stand by this, because art needs to be analyzed within the societal contexts of it's time. But, I agree with you that in a more fair world this wouldn't be true at all. We are a world that can fix all of its own problems, but doesn't because of greed. Some people are taking vanity trips into space, while the people they look down on starve, and its disgusting that our world sees that as something common. If we made our systems more fair, and allowed everyone the means of survival detached from work, which we have the means to do, then dreams would be a perfectly safe things we could all work towards making true without an excessive cost. That's a world I'd much rather see. I didn't include in the video that this only holds true in our societies, because it was something I didn't actively think about while writing. But, it's a point I wish I had, as you pointed out! Also I don't mean to type all of this to be rude if it sounds that way a bit, I do agree with you, and I wanted to make that clear is all!
@@ProfessorViral no problem man, honestly I was worried I was rambling a bit! And I’m glad I could help you see a different way of looking at the world!
Kyubey said you could wish for ANYTHING right? So If I were part of the Magical girl Quintet, I would’ve wished for more wishes as INSURANCE so later when I discover the horrors of being a magical girl I could use my wishes to simply eliminate all the problems standing in the way of their happiness
He did, but he also says something along the lines of, they have to have enough power to make the wish come true, like the basis for how Madoka can do something so grand. So that may be covered by that idea sadly
You would totally be able to do that. Then granting wishes would itself become your main power, so subsequent wishes would come directly out of your soul gem and would be significantly more expensive than most magic and it would only take a few wishes (if you could even last one) before running out and turning into a witch.
Madoka had the advantage of having seen all the endings you could come to as a magical girl. She saw the terms and conditions, and the suffering from those. She had time to think and realize that she needed to be thorough because Kyuubey’s the type to absolutely juke you in your wish. And in a way, she did fail in a sense: She did become a witch as soon as she made the wish, but because she clarified her conditions, she didn’t, hence her limbo state. She was given foresight and was able to look at all the angles- the loneliness, the false hope, the witching out, the death to the witches, the constant suffering.
U do realize that Madoka's wish wasn't enough? This is my theory. Kyubee will never grant a wish that it won't benefit from. Isn't it strange how Homura's wish made it possible for Madoka to become a god and Kyubee stuck to Madoka like glue in that one timeline. Isn't it strange that Madoka became an observable phenomenon. And in rebellion they essentially captured her. If you don't ask, Kyubee doesn't tell, therefore Kyubee doesn't lie. Kyubee definitely had something evil in mind when he granted Madoka's wish. That's why when he told his best friend Homura, who he's tormented for 12 years, what he was scheming in rebellion she had a 200 IQ moment. Instead of being saved by Madoka, she uses her power due to the evolution that the experiment on her caused. And she splits Madoka, giving her the power to alter the universe. Not bound by having to make a wish through Kyubee, Homura can make a change that doesn't benefit him. She rewrites the universe to enslave Kyubee and cast all evil on misfortune onto him. Thus she is able to not only stop Kyubee, but she frees Madoka from the price of her wish. And suppresses her memory because that's the only way to stop Madoka's self-sacrificial nature. Thus, through betrayal Homura is able save all of the magical girls shown in the story. But, because it's all founded on her oppression, she can't be with everyone(she has to become the villain) after fighting for 12+ years, only able to push on because of her dream ending. Thus combined with the trauma of becoming a witch, she finally broke. Ironically, Madoka's wish did succeed in an indirect way. I think. If all misfortune in the world is cast onto Kyubee. Then how can magical girls experience the misfortune that turns them into witches? But considering that Walpurgisnacht is coming next year. Once again something must have gone wrong. Which is exactly what I expect from this series.
Sorry about that, it was just the easiest comparison to make because a lot of this thought has stemmed from my own internal fight about if my own dreams are good or bad for me. I could use other examples, but I'm always weary to speak to the emotional state of someone else, so I end up sticking to myself
Boycott SHAFT and Magia Record for the anime sequel to Puella Magi Madoka Magica Movie Rebellion be made! And into a 2nd series instead of a 4th movie!
Don't worry; I'll cover Rebellion and more sometime! In the meantime...
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one thing to note is that Sayaka's journey is much like the mermaid of the little mermaid's journey(Her witch form taking on a mermaid tail).
Sayaka much like the mermaid makes a deal with kyubey(The sea witch) and gets the power to be a magical girl(human) to gain the love of Kyosuke(The Prince)... But as the days go by she is unable to due to what she discovers... She is essentially a zombie(Has no voice) and due to that Hitomi(The opposite love interest) comes in and takes Kyosuke away.
Unable to deal with it, she lives on her days, using magic when Homura and Kyouko/Kyoko try in vain to get her to use grief seeds to clear in her gem(Given a knife to kill the prince). Sayaka refuses and in turn succumbs to despair and turns into a witch(Into seafoam).
It's a pretty artistic interpretation of The Little Mermaid tale.
I love that all their wishes come true and it’s not a monkey’s paw or genie situation. Like they get exactly what they wish for and it’s more about the consequences of their wish rather than having to come up with a specifically worded wish
Exactly; that originality is one of the best parts about the show. No trickery besides that of our own minds
It's a great example of the meaning of "be careful what you wish for" in the truest sense of the world - actually carry out your wish to its logical real life consequences before making it - instead of a game of wits or luck
Actually Mami also regrets a lot about her own wish, as seen in the PSP portable game and in the Different Story manga, she deeply regrets not having saved her parents instead of just saving herself in that car accident
Damn, I always just assumed they had died from the impact or something similar and that wasn't even an option, but I guess not. That makes it even more sad
@@ProfessorViral to be specific her regret is that knowing she could have save both herself and her family , that is why she tell madoka and sayaka to think hard for their wish.
@@ProfessorViral I mean even if they did die from the impact, Kyuubey still easily could've brought them back while also healing Mami, so...
Thanks for ruining my day.
I thought it was very interesting how in a different story, Mami hears Candeloro in her shadow, like how Kuro hears her Doppel in Magia record
Edit: Mami's survivors guilt mirrors the cognitive dissonance of Charlotte's magical girl Nagisa.
Nagisa's wish was essentially to give her Mother something she liked when her mother just wanted to be healthy and resented Nagisa as she couldn't even recover let alone care for a child alone so Nagisa was a reminder to her mother of her partner who left her so she unfairly treated Nagisa.
Nagisa's true wish was to be loved by a maternal figure,
Mami's true wish was to be with people who needed her and loved her.
That's why Charlotte would always Kill Mami.
Their true hearts desires resolve eachother, just like Sayaka and Kyoko.
The best part about rebellion is seeing Kyoko's theory come into reality as Akumura balances Madokami returning a pseudo law of cycles.
I really wish Magia Record's staff realized this before writing their story as then it would be a proper sequel to the series and be far more compelling of a story but at least they gave us that incredible Holy Mami vs Sayaka + Yachiyo Scene.
👌👌That sakuga tho 👌👌
Its as simple as "some things aren´t meant to be" and wishes try to what shouldn´t be. The outcome is rarely worth the trouble. This why I like the Magia Record spin-off since it has many more examples of wishes and the regret that comes with it. In the game/anime is a magical girl named Rika Ayano who was in love with her female best friend who had a boyfriend. Being heartbroken and blinded by her feelings she wished for her friend to love her instead. It gave her the power to change people´s attraction but it led to her friend and bf to forget each other even though they were in love. Her happiness doesn´t last long once she realizes she wished for a lie and worked hard to get the two of them to fall in love again, effictively undoing her own wish and leaving her with nothing but the burden of being a magical girl.
Boiled down, pretty much. I had to avoid the second bit of the comment because I do want to check out the rest of the Madoka Magica media as blind as possible sometime, but I appreciate it as always!
@@ProfessorViral Oh yeah in that case I'm sorry for spoiling something. Although in this characters case she is basically just one of many side characters that was exclusive to the game the spin off is based on
Okay, this puts Doppels into a really interesting perspective. They're what happens when a Magical Girl can tap into their nature as Witches without fully clouding their Soul Gem, and that's an oddly powerful metaphor with this context. It implies that some wishes truly are worth it, to the point where the misery you go through strengthens you to go even further.
You can get pushed, beaten down and forced to grovel, but if that wish is truly worth the cost and you want it to be worth the cost, you use that abuse and make it into armor, like how many of the Doppels seem to be the Witches in an armorlike state around the Magical Girls. I might be pulling stuff out my ass but this feels really apt here.
Interesting, I'll be dipping into the other Madoka Magica media sometime, so I'll have to think about this idea again with that context!
Ah.... i mean KIND OF. The Doppel System is an anomaly exclusive to the universe of Magia Record... for a dstinct reason of which enters spoiler territory if you are experiencing the story from the anime exclusively.
To put it simply, Doppels are more like hitting a reset button on a soul gem by expelling the would-be witch and all its impurity in a single summon-like entity before dispelling all together.
The metaphor and analogy of witches in this video doesn't quite fit Doppels themselves as they are a more self-contained entity outside of the original story. Not to mention the psycological draw backs of relying on your doppel too much (ironically only ever explored in the anime adaptation and never once mentioned in the game)
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The idea of the Doppels being a release of the Witch's curses is effectively venting, which can be a coping mechanism. It still fits the idea that you're becoming better through your trials and tribulations and thus using them like one would armor.
@@mikhailthegreatestdragon3627 except not really though... its an unnatural phenomena that should not be and really shouldnt be given more significance than a plot device as its literally being used as one in Arc 2 within the game-- and in an incredibly interesting way ontop of that.
Doppels dont work in this metaphor for the exact reason its not a natural occurrence. I really dont wanna spoil the story since I dont want to ruin the experience for anyone who has yet to read through the game/ waiting for the anime to finish but its most certainly not one that "makes you a better person" more so a "Cheating death and the consequences of it"
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I don't think I mentioned anything about it making you a better person, my whole point is it making your wish worth it by becoming stronger than the circumstances putting you down. I guess I see where you're coming from, but there's a difference between becoming "good" and being "better".
Given all the timeline shenanigans too, it's only unnatural in the scope of freaking Madokami, that's not really the same as the scope of the magical girls doing it since a lot of them do figure it out later down the line, so calling it unnatural cause one timeline out of thousands popped an anomaly(which by the way is expected given how probability works) doesn't really say anything.
Also, the fact that it does have consequences in and of itself *does* lend to my idea of it being like venting. Even that can become toxic if done with reckless abandon. If you don't do anything to actually fix the situation, of course you're always gonna need it, it's why people can become addicted to the need to let out their rage or negative thoughts.
It is interesting that while Kyoko becomes selfish after the effects of her wish, there are cracks in her shell. In the Puella Magi Oriko Magica manga, Kyoko ends up taking in Yuma Chitose, a child who lost her parents to a Witch, because it reminded her of her own sister
I watched Madoka Magica during Junior High School and the final episode where Madoka cleanses all the magical girl's gems hits very differently now compared to back then. I mean yeah Madoka essentially become a goddess and back then my reading was that all the magical girls who almost turn to witches have been saved, as in they are still alive and living their life after possibly a nap in the outside world. Nowadays the readings are at the very least hopeful but still grim. Those magical girls who were saved by Madoka still died, however they died as humans at the very least.
I guess everything, aside from the enemy they face, does end up mostly the same, so things couldn't have changed much in the past, meaning their fates would be the same. It's definitely a small condolence, but one very fitting for everything here
Funfact: Gen Urobochi states in an interview that the girls dont actually die when they are taken by the Law of Cycles. They are actually instead put in a permanent stasis and remain asleep for all eternity (their physical forms anyway) while their subconscious is presumably universally connected to the hub which i would assume is the ethereal plane that is the Law of Cycles itself.
Sayaka's and Octavia's passages in the Rebellion Production notes support this by saying something akin to Sayaka feeling like she woke from a very long dream when taking on the rescue mission.
Think Kazumi Magica's "Freezer" concept but on a universal scale and more magical.
@@ProfessorViral I would go further and say that it is something worth fighting for. Madoka didn't save their lives, but she saved something else: the meaning of their choices. If becoming a Magical Girl had to mean eventually becoming a witch, then any wish for justice would eventually turn to ashes in the injustice created by the final witch. But now that witches are no longer created, Kyōko's karmic equation -- good and evil zero out in the end -- is no longer true. It is now possible for Magical Girls to live a meaningful life, fight a meaningful fight, and die a meaningful death. That is, I think, a very significant improvement.
It has been said that it is as if Madoka, with her wish, had created a world in which 'gentler' magical girl series like Sailor Moon or Pretty Cure are possible. In which being a magical girl no longer means simply being a source of anti-entrorpic energy.
Hopefully the sequel to Rebellion announces soon. Homura became my fav character and understood why she chose her own path.
I'll hopefully be checking out Rebellion (again technically, but I saw it years ago) sometime soon, so I'll be waiting for that as well!
Wait but its already announced?
@@pipichi8441 I did hear it.
@@pipichi8441 It is, not a specific release date, but a sequel is on the works.
@@pipichi8441 yes, check Walpurgis no Kaiten
I wouldn't say Kyubey tricked them, he just took advantage of the fact some don't read the terms of service.
Ah, the old, "you never asked" lol
@@ProfessorViral Pretty much. Joking aside, he did manipulate teenagers who aren't as likely to ask too many questions. Kyubey is a lot of horrible things, but he is honest with you so long as you make an effort to ask. He doesn't mind that a girl will be wise enough to say no, because at the end of the day Kyubey knows that there are countless others out there that are willing to take up the offer.
@@philippeandreadoviakueamba1265 Again I'm mostly being facetious with the T&C bit. My main point is basically "If it's too good to be true, it probably is". In other words, you should probably ask more questions about any proposition given. But teenagers being teenagers, they were blown away enough by the demo the other magical girls showed that they just didn't(with Madoka being the exception).
@@joecrazy9896 Kyubey is really careful with his wording though, even when asked directly. Like when Kyoko asked if it was possible to bring back Sayaka after she'd become a witch, he said something along the lines of "I've never seen it done before, but maybe". When it fails and Homura asks him directly about it, he says flat out says "I knew it would never work" so he could trap Madoka into making a wish. He's just really good at preying on desperate kids looking for a sliver of hope.
didn't read the fine print bro
Hmm, I feel like Sayaka's feelings are being simplified. For Sayaka it's not that Kyosuke didn't love her or couldn't love her. It's that she, in her current state, felt unlovable. It comes off that she felt that asking him to love a zombie was wrong. She made a wish, for love, hoping to have a future with someone only for that wish to turn her into what she considers a monster that shouldn't be loved. It would be a lie. He started dating Hitomi because she asked, Sayaka didn't, it's that simple. Kyosuke could have loved her, but because of her wish now Sayaka feels unworthy of that love, and it was her wish that made her lose him in the first place.
And depending on the timeline and circumstances, after telling Kyosuke she's a magical girl, he either thinks she's cool or a monster.
#Sadyaka
and, in the crack alt route in portable, homura bullies sayaka into confessing and she lives the rest of that route on cloud nine.
@@ILiekFishesThe what?
I would like to know more.
Here’s the sad thing about Homura. She will never be able to stop Madoka from becoming a magical girl because Madoka was already a magical girl before Homura made her wish.
I didn't think about that, but it is like she made the wish after Madoka's fate was already sealed
@@ProfessorViral She made it after Madoka died. So no matter what she did it wouldn’t do her any good.
Yes and no, there seems to be a period of time between when Homura wakes up in the hospital bed when starting a new timeline and meeting Madoka at school. While yes you're right that she was already a magical girl in the first/original timeline, it might say something that Homura's point or restart is before that day of school, especially if Madoka isn't always a magical girl by that day.
I kind of took it as the day Homura is discharged is the day she can make the difference since she doesn't seem to restart on the exact day they are to meet and think that's an important detail that might makea difference in Homura's plans and Madoka's path. I don't recall if it's a few days or a whole week between those days, but it almost gives me the impression that this means Homura could just as well Meet madoka before she starts school and that that could make a difference in what happens as if the day Madoka made her wish the first time was in that day or the domino effect of her making that wish starts on that day and not so much the day she met Homura.
@@jilliancrawford7577 I’m pretty what your talking about is the loop we saw throughout the season.
Even if the cost of a wish is the most obvious theme of the anime, that's the first video i watched about PMMM that covers this theme in depth, and expanded my vision about it. Great work.
Thank you, it really does mean a lot to hear that : )
"Something endlessly good happened, but how much had to go into it"
A very fitting statement given that she was only able to make that wish because of homura's time loops. Plus if everything zeroes out in the end I guess it makes sense what happens with Homura in Rebellion
I was actually thinking about just how much Madoka gave up, but it's even more fitting that it's something good coming from Homura suffering (all of them really, but they don't remember it) through the same time again and again
I like how you connected the wishes in PMMM as equivalent to our own dreams, usually to the dreams of creators (music, film, art, writing, etc), about how much we sacrifice to get somewhere. It's scary to think that you will never have to stop paying, just like Homura, and that for people to have their dreams come true in this world, others must fail. So who of us who are working so hard for our dreams are destined to fail, have we already failed and not even realized it. Like Homura, she hasn't failed until she's given up, and we see that she failed in the end anyway she couldn't save Madoka. I am filled with existential dread lol hopefully we have more control of our destiny than magical girls. I love your analysis, never knew this anime could be relatable in this way aside from the generic "be careful what you wish for"'
It is sad, knowing that from day one, Homura could never really succeed in saving anyone. And that some people are always going to have to see failure. It's something that makes me think a lot if that's a factor of our societies, or human nature. But I guess we won't be able to say, at least not for a long time. But, sorry for rambling, I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
I quite like your analysis of PMMM wishes as coresponding to our own dreams and aspirations, and their consequences. You've given me some new food for thought concerning this anime which I dearly love.
I'm glad the video was able to give you some food for thought, that's what I try to do here, so it means a lot 😁
This video is an example of why Madoka Magica is my favorite anime as well, and has such staying power in fandom. It invites us to explore profound questions of philosophy and the human condition, but we have to communicate with others about these questions in order to understand them better ourselves. You can probably say this about any piece of media that persists within the cultural zeitgeist. As a result we can keep exploring new territory in PMMM even though that content is relatively limited.
To me, that's always the mark of a truly great series; how long after the fact can it keep producing meaningful thought and conversation. By that mark, these 12 episodes were an amazing success
If there are winners, there will inevitably be losers
The simple summary of this haha
this video really had me think about myself, “the best thing you can do is hide it” really hit me, i’ve found i’ve become selfish and prefer to hide away my friends because i went so long without anyone. I’ve joined clubs but the idea of inviting new people to them terrify me because what if i no longer have the position on life that i do. i’ll definitely be thinking about this for weeks to come
I recently got back into pmmm and your analysis' are absolutely amazing, especially seeing them super recent! I absolutely love the way you word things, and how you explore something as simple as the wishes in Madoka Magica in such a great depth and make it all the more clarifying.
Watching this also made me realize a lot more about the wishes and their consequences, especially how certain characters relate to one another in this concept, so thank you for that! Love watching these a lot, and I hope the new movie coming out explores some of these dynamics. Thank you!!
Thank you, that means a lot, and I'm glad you've enjoyed the videos! : D
the explanation of mami's wish resulting in loneliness made me think about how she uses her ribbons: to keep someone or something in place, or to bring it closer to her to make contact, and the more this someone or something struggles, the tighter the grip is
those ribbons are like a metaphor for her trying to have someone to be by her side so she won't be alone anymore
the more i look into mami's whole character, it further cements why she's my favorite character in this series
also, if any of you have thoughts similar to this that applies to the other magical girls, please reply--
i'd love to hear them!
I didn't think about her ribbons at all, but I like that idea, and it does fit with her character quite well. Her powers let her hold on things, but she herself has hardly anything to hold onto, which is a great note. I guess Kyoko using a spear could be similar to this, since she's also alone, and keeps people at a distance, at least until she takes an interest in Sayaka. So she has a weapon that's best used when keeping foes at a distance
That's basically the basis of her Witch form, "Candeloro": A witch that invites people to her tea parties by tying them up to chairs with her ribbons. They wanna leave? Well, just tighten up the grip, even if that kills them.
This is both from the mobile games as well as the Different Story manga.
@@ProfessorViral right on the spot for Kyoko too since her Witch form, Ophelia, is the "Witch of Self-abandonment".
@@MaxusFox23 oh shoot i never noticed that lmao--
i have the different story manga but i haven't read it in a long while so i guess i kinda forgot
@@iijel0e it's when Mami is about to fall into despair and has a vision of a child version of herself tempting her into a world full of tea parties where she'll never be alone. That child Mami is essentially Candeloro.
Really enjoy your madoka magica analyses! This series tends to spawn so many interesting character studies.
Thank you! It does for sure, even Kyoko, as the magical girl with the least time, has a lot to her
I rewatch this series at least once every few months when I find myself rewatching the anime & movie. It might not have the most views, but I think this vid is some of your finest work.
I thought a lot about wishes, and came to the conclusion, if I had just one wish, I'd wish to never regret not having wished for something else instead. Of course, I can already see two ways this might go: Either the wish is rejected, because it does not make sense, or, and this is what I'd expect from an entity like Kyubey, my mind would be altered to leave me incapable of regret.
i dont see good madoka magica essays often, yours are great and i cant wait to watch more of your vids!!!!
Thank you, I appreciate that!
Not too long ago I was very not into anime , until a friend forced me to watch k on. After that I got into more than found your channel and started watching the ones off your best of list. Modoka magica stands out as one of the finest examples of introspective writing in not just the anime medium but in all mediums of art. Show really makes you question alot of things and goes hard on the feels. Thank you for that list
The best way I can describe madoka magica is horribly beautiful. Its so depressing but amazing.
It's very fitting that it is, like the image of magical girls against their reality
this anime achived being cute and depressing at the same time.
100%. And while I talk about most abstract concepts within anime here, that presentation of it is a huge part of its success. The same ideas in an anime that was presented differently could have made for a terrible show
These character discussions are absolutely amazing! I love how in depth you go with each one
Thank you, glad you've enjoyed them!
wishes become curses when you're getting tunnel vision - a wish is a future that has not happened yet, but you should never forget to also live in the now, otherwise, it's time you never get back - so yeah, you may not literally paying with your life, but with a significant part of lifetime, so make your decisions wisely
My advice? Know the difference between a goal and a dream.
Dreams are a distraction you can enjoy whenever you want.
Goals are smaller more obtainable "dreams". Like getting a job you can commit to, getting your own place, having a good friend.
Smaller goals can be real and lead to the frame work of your own hidden unknown dream by happy accident. A huge and grandeous dream like fame and wealth? These are obtainable but only after reducing your life to an empty shell.
Very true, looking at the grand scope of things here, I didn't really address that distinction, or how it can help. Small goals can even lead up to sum into what one may call a dream, but make it actually attainable!
@@ProfessorViral
I had a lot of simplistic but large dreams; Like becoming a doctor who used herbs instead of pharmacy drugs. But my goals were to be confident, independent, and to write what makes me happy. I have all these things and I'm content with where I am. Really the only part of my goal thst would make it an obtainable dream would be to adopt a cat for emotional support. Unfortunately, I can't pay for a cat on a seasonal based income.
Mami had chance for wish to revive her family but she didn't do it.
I saw some comments pointing this out, I always assumed they were already passed and couldn't be saved, so I didn't even think about it
She was just in an accident, and Kyubey appeared right in the accident she didn't have much to think
I'm listening to this video again, and here's one thought: If, as it seems, you're saying that PMMM wishes reflect our own desires and aspirations, then there is no inherent problem with them, just as there is no inherent problem with our desires and aspirations. Rather, in both cases, the problems come from, e.g., us misunderstanding our own desires and aspirations (thinking we want X because we need it, when in fact it's for some other reasons), or mistaken assumptions about ourselves (thinking we want X because it will make us happy, when in fact it won't).
Is that so? There is nothing in itself bad, no inherent problem, with being granted a wish, any wish; the problem comes from our own mistaken assumptions about what we 'really' want and why. So there's nothing intrinsically wrong with the 'shortcut' aspect of wishes -- you get what you wish right now, without having to work to get it? A quick'n'easy level upgrade, no grinding involved?
Personally, I have sometimes wondered (both about PMMM and other wish-granting stories) if having a wish suddenly granted isn't more like a moment for self discovery and growth, an opportunity to check if we are what we think we are, if we want/need what we think we wan/need, instead of something else. It's like suddenly inheriting a fortune (money being our closest approximation to a wish-granting genie): it may be an opportunity for us to confront ourselves with what we thought were our wants or needs, and, if we're wise enough to learn from it, grow.
Your videos are incredible, this amount of emotional understanding is hard to come by
Give up on your dreams of becoming a baker, you've gotta give up on your dreams! 🎵
TH-cam suggest auto-replies to comments sometimes, and one of them for this was "so true!" lol
I just watch the show and rebellion not to long ago so this video see things in a new light and Hits different now.
Your Madoka videos have eally inspired me to do more deeper analysis if the series that I love so much. Do you think you will ever cover The Different Story? I genuinely think it's story is up there with Rebellion in how it's presented, and it'd be amazing to give it more spotlight as Madoka soars back into relevancy thanks to Movie 4.
I don't have any solid plans for manga coverage yet, but it's also not something I've ruled out, and will probably do eventually for a few series!
YOURE SO UNDERRATED WHAT?!
I love this! You did a great analysis. I hope you do an analysis of rebellion, is a complex and awesome movie. Keep doing a great job🙌
This is interesting and very thought provoking.
Thank, I'm happy it was able to be so!
You don't pay in exhaustion, you pay in energy...
Moral of the story? Be as specific as you can with what you wish for. Anything you don’t specify is subject to high entropy; What Kyubey is responsible for.
For every wish you get, a dream is sacrificed.
I wish to have anything I want, when I want it without spending any effort that I don't want to spend. Choke on THAT, incubator.
If I was a girl in this anime universe and was given one wish that will come true, I would wish my friend who I love more than just as friend, would love me back the same way I love them. After granted we would be happy for ever right? For a time yes. But as time passes and I fight witches I would sooner or later come to realize that the love we have is not real. It is something that did not bloom naturally, it was forced upon. That reality slowly sneaking into my mind again and again as hard as I try to push it away would corrupt my hope, my will, my soulgem untill eventually the truth would break me and my Soulgem turns into Griefseed. Eventual end all magical girls face untill...she made the wish yo save all magical girls
Except she isn't saving them. She's essentially mercy killing them. Which is just a temporary compromise.
After watching rebellion and the conversation between Kyubee and Homura.
I think that Kyubee's plan when granting Madoka's wish was actually to have the Kyubee in the altered universe capture and enslave the god that Madoka would become.
But he messed up and made Homura into a being that shouldn't exist. Thus giving a 14 year old girl who tormented for 12 years the power to stop him. Now he's likely being tormented by Homura everyday because... what else does she have to do. Other than throwing herself off cliffs but being unable to die.
10:31 friend? More like girlfriend lol
Sayaka Miki should be the main protagonist in the sequel to Rebellion.
She is my favorite of series, but I feel like her story was just about perfect how it was. I almost don't want it to have anything else haha
@@ProfessorViral then who do you want as the main protagonist?
@@EveryMan-yz1ce Oh it's you. The famous Every Man. Ok, in my opinion...Madoka again, of course. She's still the main protagonist of this whole franchise, so I wouldn't mind if she takes her original spot again. There are some people predicting it would be Mami since she is the least focused Puella Magi. But let's see, I think it wouldn't be a surprise if Madoka is again the protagonist of the next movie.
But my wish is harmless. 💖
I wish to start over in New Zealand & that would be my Happy ever After with me&my stuff&my German Shepherd & hopefully my dream Beach house Home in New Zealand & I am willing to Risk it all. 💖
damn this video hit deep... but its the best 20min I spent today
Happy I could provide those 20 minutes : D
I just found your channel, (my first video was your analysis on Wonder Egg Priority, maybe you could do some more analysis videos on WEP if you have any ideas :)). You really make great videos and you’re analyzing of these animes are astonishing to see! I just finished Madoka Magica and goodness it’s so sad towards the end, to see these girls suffer so much. Again your analysis on MM is so well written! Should I watch all 3 movies or just watch Rebellion, (as I’m pretty sure the first two are recaps of what happened)? Hope you can make more videos on WEP + MM, great work!! 😁
I'll literally binge watch PMMM just to understand this video
No pressure! But, I'd say it's worth it for the anime itself!
Great video! :D I love Madoka Magica!!!
Thank you! : )
I know this question doesn't fit with the theme of the video, exactly, but!
Were there any other instances of a Wish influencing the powers of a Magical Girl? I seem to remember someone saying Sayaka heals faster than any of the others because she made a Wish that involved healing? Was this ever explored further?
I think that's a really neat idea, at any rate.
There are no guarantees in this world.
I liked that as quick summary, a better way to word things than I did here about the limited nature of humanity!
aww you are cute, I didn't expect it, I've only heard your voice before. Happy New Year.
Happy new year 🤣
@@ProfessorViral 😘😂
You're doing amazing
Thank you 😁
I want the other magical girls from the spin off manga to be in the sequel to Rebellion.
Great video! Will you be doing any Magia Record content?
Thank you! I will cover the additional media for Madoka Magica sometime for sure! I actually meant to mention that in the video, but it slipped my mind until after I'd exported 🤣
@@ProfessorViral I'm so glad to hear it! Your coverage on this IP is amazing, I would love to hear you cover the expanded universe and it's characters in depth. Keep going! You're making great videos!
Mami and Homura...two sides of the same coin. Two desperate girls who are the most connected to their former humanity, to the point they commit small, yet impactful atrocities for their respective causes.
One is a lost sheep who tries to become an angel who burns away everything her pain touches.
The other becomes a Devil who enslaves whoever she needs to just to preserve the person she loves, claiming it is her new graceful purpose, after her fall from the original grace.
A wish with bad intentions is a curse
awesome video! just curious whats the name of the of the music in the background
Oh yeahhh, Madoka wish causes so much bad too
There was an interesting fanfic I was reading in which a being from Kyubey's race gained emotional freedom and tried to help the girls in the timeline the show happens in... but it ruined it with the introduction of Slenderman.
Seriously, there were so many other characters the author could have brought to the story that fitted way better, such as Elizabeth from "BioShock"...but maybe I'm being too harsh. Maybe I should try to reread it and see if there's any logic to this character being included in the story.
Do you think this course of action makes sense ?
I wonder if Karmaic Cycle was another magical girl apotheosis.
If you want to talk about desire, you should analyse about utena
Wait, did you say Serial Experiments Lain?
Want to hear something worse about Madokas wish......it didn't work One witch still survived if you don't want the spoilers in the Wraith Arc of the manga that touches up on there story after the main season look down
The witch that lived was her own witch The Witch of Salvation Kriemhild Gretchen still lived in the old timeline and is trying to spread her curse to Madokas world and infecting the wraiths that Madoka made. And caused Homura to remember the old world and what happened there and for some reason she told the rat Kyubie it as well. For the full story check out Wraith Arc
Sadly I will have to avoid this for spoilers, but I'm hoping to check out some of the related media for Madoka soon!
@@ProfessorViral how for it that's why I put spoilers
Can you talk about Kaitou Joker?
Idk man, the way you describe the wishes rubs me the wrong way. I can’t quite express why in words. I have literally been trying for 15 minutes to think of a way to phrase it.
It just feels like your not talking about how the system of magical girls can be compared to capitalism and capitalism is just a system that needless makes us fight each other, there are honestly enough resources in the world to educate, feed, clothe, and house everyone on earth but we don’t because it’s not profitable. Like if we were in a social society you could have more control over your vision because then the people you worked with would be doing it for there own will to help you rather than need to in order not to starve
Like yess there is always cost but it doesn’t mean you have to pay it yourself and that is how I interpreted madoka magica’s wishes.
I'll yield entirely that this analysis relies on our current societal structure to be true. I stand by this, because art needs to be analyzed within the societal contexts of it's time. But, I agree with you that in a more fair world this wouldn't be true at all. We are a world that can fix all of its own problems, but doesn't because of greed. Some people are taking vanity trips into space, while the people they look down on starve, and its disgusting that our world sees that as something common. If we made our systems more fair, and allowed everyone the means of survival detached from work, which we have the means to do, then dreams would be a perfectly safe things we could all work towards making true without an excessive cost. That's a world I'd much rather see. I didn't include in the video that this only holds true in our societies, because it was something I didn't actively think about while writing. But, it's a point I wish I had, as you pointed out! Also I don't mean to type all of this to be rude if it sounds that way a bit, I do agree with you, and I wanted to make that clear is all!
@@ProfessorViral no problem man, honestly I was worried I was rambling a bit! And I’m glad I could help you see a different way of looking at the world!
Kyubey said you could wish for ANYTHING right? So If I were part of the Magical girl Quintet, I would’ve wished for more wishes as INSURANCE so later when I discover the horrors of being a magical girl I could use my wishes to simply eliminate all the problems standing in the way of their happiness
He did, but he also says something along the lines of, they have to have enough power to make the wish come true, like the basis for how Madoka can do something so grand. So that may be covered by that idea sadly
You would totally be able to do that. Then granting wishes would itself become your main power, so subsequent wishes would come directly out of your soul gem and would be significantly more expensive than most magic and it would only take a few wishes (if you could even last one) before running out and turning into a witch.
Could you explain Madoka wish? How come it didn’t “fail”
Madoka had the advantage of having seen all the endings you could come to as a magical girl. She saw the terms and conditions, and the suffering from those. She had time to think and realize that she needed to be thorough because Kyuubey’s the type to absolutely juke you in your wish. And in a way, she did fail in a sense: She did become a witch as soon as she made the wish, but because she clarified her conditions, she didn’t, hence her limbo state. She was given foresight and was able to look at all the angles- the loneliness, the false hope, the witching out, the death to the witches, the constant suffering.
U do realize that Madoka's wish wasn't enough?
This is my theory. Kyubee will never grant a wish that it won't benefit from.
Isn't it strange how Homura's wish made it possible for Madoka to become a god and Kyubee stuck to Madoka like glue in that one timeline.
Isn't it strange that Madoka became an observable phenomenon. And in rebellion they essentially captured her.
If you don't ask, Kyubee doesn't tell, therefore Kyubee doesn't lie. Kyubee definitely had something evil in mind when he granted Madoka's wish.
That's why when he told his best friend Homura, who he's tormented for 12 years, what he was scheming in rebellion she had a 200 IQ moment.
Instead of being saved by Madoka, she uses her power due to the evolution that the experiment on her caused. And she splits Madoka, giving her the power to alter the universe. Not bound by having to make a wish through Kyubee, Homura can make a change that doesn't benefit him. She rewrites the universe to enslave Kyubee and cast all evil on misfortune onto him.
Thus she is able to not only stop Kyubee, but she frees Madoka from the price of her wish. And suppresses her memory because that's the only way to stop Madoka's self-sacrificial nature.
Thus, through betrayal Homura is able save all of the magical girls shown in the story. But, because it's all founded on her oppression, she can't be with everyone(she has to become the villain) after fighting for 12+ years, only able to push on because of her dream ending. Thus combined with the trauma of becoming a witch, she finally broke.
Ironically, Madoka's wish did succeed in an indirect way. I think. If all misfortune in the world is cast onto Kyubee. Then how can magical girls experience the misfortune that turns them into witches? But considering that Walpurgisnacht is coming next year. Once again something must have gone wrong. Which is exactly what I expect from this series.
Let ur dreams die haha don't need to tell me woohoo~!
This is gonna be in a museum above a sign reading "the 2020s"
Good, but the allegory to YOUR videos is kind of...tiring.
Sorry about that, it was just the easiest comparison to make because a lot of this thought has stemmed from my own internal fight about if my own dreams are good or bad for me. I could use other examples, but I'm always weary to speak to the emotional state of someone else, so I end up sticking to myself
Boycott SHAFT and Magia Record for the anime sequel to Puella Magi Madoka Magica Movie Rebellion be made! And into a 2nd series instead of a 4th movie!
No.
No
Boycott SHAFT and Magia Record for the anime sequel to Puella Magi Madoka Magica Movie Rebellion be made, & into a 2nd series instead of a 4th movie!
IDK. I kinda want my fanfic to ascend into canon aaaand it kinda depends on Rebellion being canon.
Whises r horroble