Aprilia RSV4 1100 Factory vs Ducati Panigale V4S (Part 1: The Dyno)
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The two ultimate 1100cc Italian superbikes tested on the dyno. Part 1 of 3 (or maybe 4).
Both bikes are 100% stock/standard with the exception of cosmetic and non-powertrain related upgrades (tail tidy, tank grips, mirrors, etc)
The Akra exhaust on the Aprilia the catted homologation version and comes standard on the bike. It is different from the cat-less racing versions which would clearly make more power but would be illegal for road use.
That was the best no bullshit dyno run I've ever seen . Totally fair and an intelligent explanation and summary of the results . Brilliant!
RSV4 1100 Factory sounds amazing
Actually, compared to a proper pipe, it sounds shit!! I put an arrow on mine and it sounds brutal.
still seems to sound better than an V4S
@@biketwat825 Even the arrow sounds shit compared to sc project crt. That is the best pipe for Aprilia rsv4
Yamaha R1 sounds wayyyyyyyy better
@@michaelslorach4149 it does sound much better. The Ducati actually sounds more similar to the V2 Panigale. You can't beat the 65 degree mounted V4 sound that Aprilia uses. The Ducati is a 90 degree engine. And the way it fires means it won't sound as good.
I'm in love the Aprilia and would pick it every day over the Ducati - but the Ducati is jaw-dropping beautiful.
I've always been an Aprilia over Ducati rider. Both are beautiful bikes but the Aprilia for me just pushes my buttons better. My 2019 Tuono is the best bike I've ever owned
I've been on Ducati's for the last 5 years and I am looking at Aprilia's now.
@@gnarshread Same. Gonna buy my first Aprilia very soon as we own a dealership.
@@CarsandCats I was actively looking for a Tuono and then I came across a deal on an 1199 I couldn't say no to.
Good lord the Aprilia's HP and Torque curves are beautifully smooth! I prefer the power characteristics of the Ducati but my hat is off to Aprilia for their tune. That's art!
As others have already said, by far the best, most clearly explained and unbiased dyno comparison I’ve watched in years. I’ve subscribed and look forward to what follows.
Best dyno video os my life! So much information, no bs, not wasting my time, just straight facts and valid information. Congrats!!!
Highly professional and engaging!
Great very professional presentation, like your factual style 👍
Aprilia sounds awesome!!
Looking forward to parts 2 & 3, thanks for making the effort to post.
Awesome! Can't wait for part 2
Excellent video. I look forward to your next comparisons.
Great content ! Love the way you have to explain, please release final parts soon !
The sound of the Aprilia is just absolutely glorious, add A SC exhaust wicked.
fantastic video with so much understandable details looking forward to seeing more liked and subscribed
I have both myself. Akra fitted on V4S corse and SC fitted on 1100 Factory. Perfect pair
Interesting to see how they both will shake out with true aftermarket exhausts and tunes. Look very equal at this point.
What the aprilia really needs is to get on par with the electronics, the hard rev limiter is just one example, but the entire aprc package still looks more like what we had back in 2011 than what ducati and BMW has now.
That engine though, how can a 10 year old engine compete with state of the art now, it's just amazing.
The amazing ting is the 1000cc RSV4 RF lapped Jerez almost a full second faster that the Ducati V4S, before the 1100cc update. Imagine with a slide control like the R1M, V4S, or '19 BMW because its the only weak spot it still has, you really have to be more progressive opening throttle than in those
I found the article you wrote regarding the 1100 Factory vs V4S and I really enjoyed it. I've been looking for your comments regarding the results of the track test though.
Awesome No BS Video Comparison thanks for sharing.
Hey Shiv, very good video. Hats off for the no frills presentation. Miss you on the AF1 forum (Tuono specifically). Lots of guys think you pretty much abandoned the OFT for the Tuono since you don't post there anymore. I hope to see more from you soon.
Great straight up video. I prefer the Ducati power ban NOT doping off the cliff horse at peak H.P.. BOTH outstanding bikes take your pick. Thank you
Good comparison, been waiting on this.
Amazing video! no bs just facts! But me personally I love the Aprilia. You have gain a sub today
even the old aprilia was almost a second faster than the v4s on track. from what ive heard in reviews so far this bike is probably another second faster at least. pretty amazing.
Great dyno run. Just the facts no drama. Are you planning on doing the same for other bikes. I'd love to know how the R1, R1M, and R1S stack up against each other
I'm impressed this is your first video. Very professional! In the future you should work on your voice quality, maybe use a different/better mic.
such a great vid i stumbled upon, awesome work. subscribed
RSV4 is a Madman ". 💰 Werks pipe 🎶
good job, both bike's are very nice
Having ridden the V4 Tuono, absolutely love the power, handling, and very impressive traction control in damp conditions.
But I have to say, I'm still having loads of fun on my 2004, RSV 1000 Tuono! Still tries to catch me out, often has me out the seat when I squirt the power to the Metzler M7 RR!!
Keep saying I'll get rid, but the thing has a hold on me...
Makes me happy bc people appreciates rsv4
Man that bike sounds wonderful!
Everyone says the new RSV41100 is faster than the new V4R but this is the real Shiza right here. I own a 18 RF and id love to say mine is faster but when I test rode both the RF and the V4S not R I was absolutely blown away by the manic speed of the Duc. In a blink i had that thing up to 180mph with absolutely no effort. I then took the RF out and got light up twice on the demo ride i had to evade two cops and the bike did that SOOOO well i came back and said THIS is my new baby! Yea its not nearly as fast but its so much more trackable. I know it will go right where i want and that run from the cops set the stage for a wonderful 8 months w/ it. Ive outrun countless cops got lots of tail from it and I feel like im riding a supermodel where ever i go. Its beyond righteous. I just might trade my RF in for this tho... Anyone want a tricked out 18 RF w/ 8k on it?
Great upload. Manufacturers measure the bike hp at the crank on the Dyno you can lose between 12 - 14% hp but also wheel spin affects the reader. The best way is to put a slick on the rear. Cheers from London, UK.
Vincent Saward the problem with running slicks on the dyno is their coefficient of friction will vary wildly in the temperature range it would see on the dyno. In fact, it would take a few pulls to get enough heat in them in order to keep them from slipping during the actual recorded full throttle dyno run. This would make it increasingly more difficult to keep engine temps in the target testing range. Also, towards the end of a long 6th gear pull, a slick would get quite tacky and result in excessive frictional losses which would skew the results. The OEM supercorsa tires are great for dyno tasting since they maintain a similar Cf in the test temp range. A good rule of thumb for dyno testing is to use the hardest and least sticky tire as possible without running into wheel spin issues. In this test, there were no wheel spin issues at all.
Great comparison and video!
Perfect vid mate, got me subscribed.
i love aprilia it’s a 10 years project from max biagi test for superbike championship and stil good 😍 i world like test both because the numbers aren’t enough, and rsv had akrapowich silent
The RSV4 1100 is an animal.
Think I would still take the Ducati over the Aprilia simply because the Ducati is drop dead gorgeous. Those Aprilia engine guys have done an amazing job getting that amount of power on a road bike with catalytic converter and warranty.
Great comparison, Shiv. Looking forward to the other 2 parts!
Some of the others have already gotten their hands on the 2019 BMW S1000RR. Can’t wait to see it feature on your channel. It would be great if you could get the out going model as well for a comparative study. 👻
Great video 👍👍👍
The Aprilia also has a sharp drop-off which means it's probably got a hard limit. I have a feeling they could lighten some of the internals now that the borexstroke has changed, wind out another 500 or so RPMs, and add a soft limiter to make it more usable in the real world. It would actually be really interesting to have control over this from the APRC controls... race vs street rev limiter tuning
Are you that fella from the OFT tablet tune?
Yes, OpenFlash Performance is my company and the OFT is our product.
Great vid guys ! Excellent approach and nice job explaining details of the power lines.
Couple of things....
The Duc is running those huge Euro 4 exhaust cans. Is the Aprilia getting an HP advantage with the Acro slip on ?
Lastly, is the Duc V4 R considered the more powerful bike ? Super expensive hard to test I would think. A fair question?
The Akra Can is standard with the bike
bro where are you ? This video was very good !
Hi my bro nice shit 650IB is gonna do that with his V4R...
There is something that i don't understand the Dyno shoot R made in fourth gear normaly...
So what r the result in that gear ? normaly a lil less that's what my bike preparator tell me
i hope to see what can do the Aprilia with the cat less
see u bro kind regards from Paris
well done and presented thanks for this.
Rsv4 comes with an akra engineered exhaust while the v4s still has the stock cans, would be more fair if the Ducati had the full akra with the Ducati up map. I am a fan of both bikes
HondaBassInYourFace please read the video description.
The aprilia comes with the akra
I love both I use to own an 1199 s and loved it, it would be nice if Aprilia could put LEDs on giving the price you are paying
Quality stuff
Will the tablets have a tune for the Factory or are you still working on that? Thank you.
Nice comparison!
Well done Shiv, I was about to say the same as everyone else LOL.
Would’ve been nice to see a v4 with the full exhaust... and an R too
The will test both bikes with race exhaust and ECU tune in Part 4 of this series.
Hi Buddy are you putting a 2019 BMW 1000RR on the dyno,
I watched a video of one on you tube and it came in at 206 HP to the rear
the blogger answered my question if it was standard and it was a BIG YES
Aprilia rsv4 factory 💪💪🇭🇺🏍️🏍️😘😘
Aprilia is a Beast👌
both pump sir?
Where’s the rest of the videos???
Great video new sub from an old video.. Thx..
Does the Aprilia have a cat? I wasn't sure if the exhaust system on the Aprillia was a full system or slip on. Also, what do you think the results would be if the Ducati had the Akrapovic race system?
Brando850 please read the video description.
I'm curious to see where you go with the tune on your new toy.
Thanks for all you do Shiv
soon! Just want to finish all the stock to stock comparison testing first :)
@@shivhappens9200 whn u doing the next part of comparison? I got a 19 ape !!!
Hello brilliante test and actually EU dyno numbers i like that.
But you didnt describe milage which is kinda huge factor so can you plz tell me the milage differance??
Steve Hash the Aprilia had around 200 miles on it and had already run it in on the dyno before the pulls. The Duc had around 3800 miles with plenty of track time.
@@shivhappens9200 WOW just wow that in my country @ least is around 5-7whp i am not saying this will be the case in USA but in EU every new bike gains between 5-7 whp after 2000-3000 miles..
207-208 with 200miles again WOW ahahahah =)
Tanx btw..Insant sub for me.. I wanne see it on track.. In eu they`ve said the Aprilia has been beyond awesome so it`ll be fun to see your insight!! =)
awesome vid !! give us more :)
Can you please tell us what gear the shown dyno runs are done in? Seemingly the Ducati revs to peak HP much faster than the Aprilia. I've owned multiple RSV4s and can easily attest to the fact that it's the best dynamic bike on the track bar none, but I'm really impressed by that Ducati. It makes its horsepower so fast that I can't imagine it being anything but relentless at full throttle. I'd take a Ducati that gets to 200hp in 7 seconds over an RSV4 that gets to 208hp in 9.5 seconds anytime.
The comparison dyno graph shows 6th gear pulls from both bikes. The v4s is a beast in how flexible the engine is. The Aprilia is outrageous too but below 5000 rpm, it is noticeably softer. But once you drop a gear, it’s a rocket.
Damn i was shocked. I honestly thought the duc was going to be about 7-10hp higher.
Leo Renner You can see the V4s uses stock pipe while Aprillia use Akrapovic
No Block the Aprilia comes with the Akra as standard!
I want that Rsv4!
The Aprilia comes standard with that Exhaust?
If Not, the Ducati Will trow some more hp if you install the aftermarket Exhaust to.
The Aprilia does indeed come standard with the Akrapovic homologated exhaust. Please read in the video description.
Aprilia sound top
Any update on part 2?
Nice Vid ;)
New subscriber!
Having in mind that Mille have akrapovic exhaust and ( dedicated ecu ). It's good numbers for ducati v4s.
More even playing fueld would be v4s with termignoni and ecu.
Please read the description. The Aprilia is 100% stock. Just like the Ducati. It does not have a race ECU or a race exhaust. Just like the Ducati.
@@shivhappens9200 good. And what about Akrapovic exhaust system?
WOW!!!!
That monitor looks like a sad face from far
👌🏽
the 2019 v4s makes around 204 to the tire so a lil better than the 2018
As far as i know, the 2019 has no engine/engine tuning changes over the 2018. So they differences you are likely explained by the typical dyno to dyno and bike to bike variance.
Yess Even in EU we have only got 201,54whp @ the highest readireading dyno.. some are 197-199whp Even the 2019mod.. the Aprilia is strong rumor has it to 210whp on OUR dyno in EU.. i just say WOW Even og it was 205-206-207whp still fookin impressive..
Just one question, why do you measure a bike with the stock pipe and one with a race system, at this level the performance gains are HUGE, putting the weight aside.
Please read the description. Both bikes are running the stock pipe and stock tune. The Aprilia comes standard with a catted titanium homologated exhaust. It is not a race pipe.
Why not take the V4R as you state, "Ultimate" Italian Superbikes, the V4S is not the ultimate from Ducati. If you take it further and have the pockets, fit full Evo systems with a remap and unlock the closed loop area then show the "Ultimate Italian" Superbikes uncorked.
@@trevorbush3656 The race exhausts you mention for the Duc are not street legal since they do not have a catalyst. In fact, they can only be dealer installed on dedicated race bikes here in CA. So there is no sense in comparing it to a street legal Aprilia. Also, i'm not sure sure I agree that comparing a $45k V4R to a $25k RSVR 1100. Also, the purpose of this video were to compare two 1100cc v4 super bikes. Not a 1000cc V4R to a 1100 Aprilia.
@@shivhappens9200 I am only going your title, "two ultimate Italian Superbikes"....why not test the entry V4 against the entry RSV4 then? In short, compare apples with apples or can you tell me that a ZX10RR can be run against an R1S on the dyno?By the way, the testing is brilliant, only the bikes chosen to go against one another to do the "ultimate" test I do not agree with. imho
@@trevorbush3656 Description edited just for you :)
Suuuuuuubbbbbscribed! On my 2nd Ape...lovem!
Part 2 please
Amazing how, to me, the Aprilia and Yamaha R1 sound soo similar...Yamarilia :)
😂😂😂
Yeah. Kinda. You can definitely hear the difference between them in person, though. But the crossplane R1 is the closest thing in sound to the 65 degree V4 that Aprilia use.
The 2 best sounding engines period
Subbed
I am looking to an exhaust and tune dyno compare
Boiko Aladjemov that will be coming as well. Most likely in Part 4 of this comparison series.
yeah bro that's that shit that i want to see
What is the benefit of having the V4 use a twin pulse firing order?
I’m not at all knowledgable with motorcycles, so when I heard about a V4, I was expecting a high pitched F1 sort of exhaust note.
It’s for a smooth torque line & engine balance in the corners.
Funny thing about it? Is that he talks about it without even mentioning the “twin pulse” when he brings up the dyno chart for the V4, and says how he loves the feel of the bike... I guess you just have to ride it to understand it.
Sorryimtruthful
I thought I read somewhere that the 90 degree v4 of the other firing order (idk what to call it) was inherently balanced.
Uriah Siner it’s a 70 degree crank with a 90 degree cylinder bank. The order is 1,2..1,2 for both left & right cylinders. And they are so close together to the point of firing like the V2 (or L-twin) that had a amazing torque curve & engine balance.
The V4 try’s to replicate that and keep that same V2 sound... then theirs also the “reverse crank” that also helps with balance, but it also takes away a little of the power from the bike, but that’s a whole different kind of tech to talk about? Lol 😆
You may not be knowledgeable about bikes but you're pretty sharp.
@@Sorry_ImTruthful So Ducati _want_ the V-twin sound..? Ive always thought that sound was a bit.. odd. After doing a bit more reading, i think what i was expecting was what a 180 degree crank might offer.
that means Aprilia have about 225hp at crankshaft if Ducatis claim is true
No, this dyno just reads high
+Juuldebuul
"IF Ducati's claim is true"; note the _IF_. Hence, either Ducati's claim is not true or the Aprilia makes 225 crank hp. Basic logic.
Would take aprilia anyday!
How do these guys not get carbon monoxide poisoning?
Aprilia sounds like an Aventador
100ccm difference tho no?
1078(rsv4) vs 1109(v4s)
1103 cc@@stencilm
25 cc would easily be worth 5 hp up top.
@Miran Kajtna A spur gear is 98-99% efficient, yes. That's 4 hp max to take away from its 5 hp (displacement) advantage, meaning it should still make more power (just).
But it doesn't. It does have a stronger midrange though (also, again, because of that 2.9% displacement advantage).
@Miran Kajtna if the Aprilia makes more power up top, then the Ducati doesn't make more power everywhere. Stick to the facts please.
Ducati decided to use the extra cubes lower down, that's fine. What you find more useful is up to you. Which bike you find easier to ride fast mostly depends on you. That's the joy of all of this. And why we stick to the facts.
I expect by "tuning potential" you mean pipe, filter and power commander? Actual race tuning is a different matter.
So is the reliability actually good now on Italian bikes ?!
Pabla Digital yes I’d say so! The services are more expensive than with a comparable Japanese bike. But I don’t find them to be unreliable.
GO DUBS!
This rsv4 factory make more power than the 2019 Ducati v4r I seen many dyno runs where it hits 200 thru 205 to the wheel wich is amazing but this rsv4 is at 207 hp with some proper tune itll hit 210hp or more.....and the Ducati's where tuned with racing exhaust....
You simply can't compare numbers on one dyno to another dyno. Preferably you would have to run them on the same dyno on the same day to make an apples-to-apples comparison.
@@MPI1000 it will still be the same aprilla will have more power than v4r ....the aprilla doesn't lose as much power thru drivetrain as Ducati since its torque and horsepower comes at different rpms and has less rpm to run ....both fully tuned and upgraded on same dyno will end up with rsv4 factory...having more power .....just Ducati is lighter than aprilla.......and I seen the v4r in person doing dyno runs and I've riden one as well it's a beast dont get me wrong its fast ....power kiks in tremendously the last 2 or 3 thousand rpm pulls but not with full force but will still catch speed ......I've seen aprilla on dyno just need to ride one and see what's the difference in power once in motion ....not much different...more like red apples to green apples ....cant wait till I test one out ....
@@MPI1000 but your right tho ....now I'm gona see if I can see both in same dyno and both stock .....
Aprilia is perfect
It's a great bike for sure. But the Ducati is pretty special too!
Shiv Happens all Italia bikes are special 🙏
Aprilia does everything better, for much less money. Nothing new.
They are the same price if you are comparing these exact bikes (2018 V4S and 2019 RSV4). New for new the Ducati is around $4k more off the showroom floor and at mid $20k for either one I don't think that is a huge difference. But that outlook is somewhat relative to the person spending the money.
This is also where I live, it might be different where you are and if so I wish the Aprilia were substantially less here.
@@ZX6R2KGT 15% is still a lot
How does it do everything better, did you even look at the graphs before fanboying all over your underwear? The Aprilia only makes more power after 12500rpm, under 5000rpm the Ducati always has a 10hp advantage which is massive (it's the same sort of low end/midrange difference between a Fireblade and an R1).
It's a much torquier engine that'll feel much faster on the road.
maybe a small difference for price but resale value and parts availability world-wide is much less than Ducati. Ducati bikes do not lose value as quicker and parts are much easier to find also being much slower to reach top speed is pretty much useless in a race or track you need fast and to the point power there are super sports not cruisers. also weight is not mentioned here which is weird
Such a true statement. However, Ducatis are still more popular because every 50 something year old going through a mid-life crisis is going to buy a Ducati...
Should've tested with akra exhaust on v4s.
That wouldn't be a fair comparison. The Akra race exhaust and ECU upmap for the RSV4 1100 is not
available yet. So I am comparing stock to stock (50 state legal) for now.
Ducati has stock exhaust so not so fair in my opinion
The Aprilia also has the stock exhaust. Please read the video description.
Why aren't the bikes strapped down? Tire slip is a BIG factor on bikes. Next time strap them down.
STREET BIKE USA if the dyno rollers haven’t lost their knurling, you don’t need more than body weight to keep them from slipping on the roller. Also, the higher the gear, the higher torque requirements for slippage. Far higher than the bikes are capable of putting down. Also, strapping bikes down excessively will cause tire carcass deformation which will result in a loss of power the rollers. More so on the Ducati with the taller 60 profile tire. So it would have introduced another unnecessary variable that we would somehow need to manage for the sake of fairness.
@@shivhappens9200 fascinating. Makes sense. Thanks for educating me.
V4S = 1.2hp/kg - .71Nm/kg , RSV4 = 1.2hp/kg - .69Nm/kg
Hardly a beatdown more like a stalemate. Just because the RSV4 has a couple more horsepower & torques at the dyno the actual power to weight ratio slightly favors the Ducati. People place far too much importance on total power output, without considering the actual physics of the bike itself. Furthermore the V4S just looks better, the RSV4 looks like a Kawasaki from a few years ago only with a grey paint job. Ducati holds more cachet, and Aprilia never won MotoGP but did win a few World Superbike, which Ducati has also won a few of. Overall I find the Ducati more compelling, by a large margin. The sound is subjective, however with a razor slight edge I'll give that to the Aprilia.
I'd still much rather the Ducati despite the Aprilia's insignificant edge on power output. The rest of the bike more than makes up for this nonissue. Faster around a track? You can't trust that, different riders get around a track differently, and exact times are not exactly repeatable. Crowning the Aprilia "King" would be premature at best anyway, as Ducati will always have an answer.
666th subscriber 😈 lol.
Did you say that 2-5 hp in the midrange is the difference between “shock and awe” and a “smooth” power delivery? Lol. Sir, the curves are nearly identical through most of the rev range - that comment is nonsense.
Trevor Huisman Please look at the graph carefully. the Ducati has 10-15lb-ft advantage through in the low end and much of the midrange. That is very noticeable and significant.