Part 2 on second channel▼ Sneako Shows Hasan's DM To Destiny And Fresh And Fit Host ►th-cam.com/video/ulUVYsyultk/w-d-xo.html More Context▼ Sneako Challenges Hasan, Calls Destiny ►th-cam.com/video/ufyxPvREQnk/w-d-xo.html
August, it's rare for you, but I think you F'd this one up. You cut off the last video just as Fuentes came on, which is when they started talking about conspiracies and this documentary. I only saw it because someone else uploaded it. People will have no idea what documentary they're talking about or why Sneako and Nick wanted him to watch it and debate about it.
It's weird how disdainful he is of Destiny taking notes and "doing homework" but that's the dude's character: incurious yet at the same time confident in his own beliefs without a thought given to information that might challenge them. He's got serious middle schooler energy
@@VashTheDamnFiend well be is. He just parrots every talking point over the last 15 years, sneako has no thoughts of his own, he's like a walking bitchute compilation
Because he's heard everything Destiny has said before. For some reason Destiny thought it'd convince him this time tho lol... But na, after Epst*in, it's hard to listen to "the reports" and trust them
It seems like he's mostly basing his view off of his feelings and what he's heard from people around him. He feels passionately about the things he talks about and he's heard a lot of different perspectives but he's not open to new ideas anymore so he'd rather just talk over people. Happened with Aba too.
He's fallen in the trap where if you find out that some conspiracies were true you automatically believe most conspiracies because it's more interesting than boring truths. He interrupts because he's wired to predict what someone is saying, except when he agrees with you. If he agrees with you you can repeat the same points 100 times and it's fine, but if he disagrees with you repeating it the same amount of times makes you a bot.
Why do people watch him? I don't get it. He's not interesting, he's not funny, he's not smart. He's the kind of guy who just makes my eyes roll the entire time.
I’ll tell you why, sneako is an entertaining guy. He holds many ideas and beliefs that people like, which is why he blew up on TH-cam so quickly, He has now fallen into conspiracy theory, political, stuff with an inability to understand that even if he believes some of these things, why is he making content that is only focused around that? He’s alienating his audience and we don’t care nor believe in most of the conspiracy theory’s he talks about. If he wouldn’t have gone so hard specially about Jews, and other conspiracy like 9:11 he probably wouldn’t have been banned and people would be able to stomach him. Now he’s hard to find cuz he’s not on TH-cam and does a lot more political stuff cuz of his rumble audience
Exactly! I only heard him talking about this red-pill bullcrap and I had no idea that he’s not, in fact, missing a brain an can be reasonably informed on something… 😄
@@mikabakker1 Because thet just don't want a popular opinion. They literally want to be the outcast the indifferent type of person. Some conspiracies are not even that much of a stretch but then the gov is lizards,earth is flat and we faked ever massive event.
Myron had some great insight for this discussion. He's actually a pretty cool dude outside of the red pill bubble. You should have more chats with him about topics that aren't about women and how much they suck.
Please go harder on Sneako a little. It doesn't even seem like he's listening to what you guys are saying. He just sits and reads chat so he can find another question to interject with and derail the previous conversation. Literally the formula has been to ask a very complicated question, then read chat while Destiny is answering so he can come in with another question and completely ignore the answer Destiny gave. He's not even trying to hear a different point of view. He just wants to seem like he does
Great example of that at 23:20. Destiny gives a long explanation of how the US funded the mujahideen, from whom Al Qaeda later broke-off, but we never funded Bin Laden directly. And then Sneako just reads chat and asks about the next name chat gives him.
@@SteveDawgNZ Yep he did this so many times, and I find it's very very common with conspiracy debates. They make a wild claim, then as soon as you start to debunk it their eyes glaze over, and once you finish they drop it and move onto the next as fast as possible. Once they realize it can't be defended they pretend it didn't happen without conceding anything. Next piece of script in the dialogue tree. No information processed. Nothing retained. The ironically these are the people calling others sheep and NPC's.
@@ChichiNaka Because chat is the meta. Twitch is an awful place to have debates because the incentives are backwards. It doesn't pay to be right, it pays to give chat attention. The goal is crowd pandering.
Plus he thinks it's so hard to do when they only had to steer the plane. There are likely other auto functions that do the rest, they basically were just steering it. Combine that with their flight achool attendance & it seems like itd have been hard for them to miss by that point
@@frankmarano1118 my uncle owned a 6 seater plane and let me fuck with the joystick (not sure what actual name is)in the air as a child and it's like playing a laid back video game... a 747 isn't gonna do a barrel roll because you moved the steering a cm too hard. Taking off and landing is like 95% of the difficulty.
Pilots fly planes not only safely for the passengers sake but also for the planes health, which of course is not something a suicide bomber would need to take into consideration when flying
It annoyed me so much when he didn't see the difference in the crash scenario. It's an obvious answer. When pilots are in a crash scenario, they try to level the plane, reduce their speed falling, collide at open angles, etc... meanwhile, a jacker is throttling towards the ground. The reason the first crashes don't completely obliterate the plane is because the pilot did everything they possibly could to prevent exactly that.
@Sp0iledTransgirl I don't think he believes that exists. He unironically probably thinks it's a choice that you can just decide to stop doing and that any treatment for it is just government control to emasculate you, like he was saying about depression lol.
He does youtube videos about serial killers and terrorists and its really interesting. I can't stand the manosphere nonsense but I love learning about the other stuff.
Wait so Sneako believes that 4 military drones were covered in some kind of exterior casing that exactly resembled the passenger planes then swapped out mid flight. They were then flown at speeds and in ways well beyond the capabilities of the planes they were disguised as, while the passengers were presumably taken to be executed. All this so that they could crash into buildings that were already set to explode.
Unfortunately he's too dumb to feel it. It's really sad that he's super excited to get 22% of chat to say they agree with him. Moron just called the Towers a small target. 🙄
I am only 6 minutes into this video, but Sneako seems like the type of person in an argument to just blurt out whatever is on their mind without thinking about it, without knowing if it is even true and without listening to you. They just want to shout over you and love hearing themselves talk in their own delusional and myopic world.
@@LIGHTISBURNING they are a good duo but if you fail to see how sneako says blurts out the most idiotics takes and is clearly sayin something he’s heard from someone else then Idk wat to tellbu
This is so fucking incredibly difficult to watch as an engineer.... Sneako is talking absoltute shit 95% of the time but Destiny cannot tell him why, 757/767 is easily capable of those speeds so just stick to that, a commercial pilot would NEVER do those speeds anywhere near sea level but the plane is ABSOLUTELY CAPABLE OF THOSE SPEEDS, WW2 PROPELLER PLANES COULD WITHSTAND SPEEDS LIKE THAT IN A DIVE. Fuck I just wish destiny learnt all he could about planes before this. There were so many easy responses to this conspiracy shit that he didnt even touch upon.
One of the other irritating things watching the documentary was when they were talking about the secession of explosions right "before" the towers fell, but the towers were starting to come down then...of course there's gonna be explosive sounds as each level collapsed into the one below...
@@Femailescortirl God the whole thing was so frustrating, conceding points that high school level physics would explain because Sneako makes incredibly stupid assertions made by the youtube docus he watches but destiny can only counter him on political points (and well done too) but lets him get away with just making up his own laws of physics (at least steve said "I'm not sure" about this stuff).
@@crabpeople5541 I think the problem for destiny is that he is afraid to be wrong and then he will lose a lot of credibility in a debate. Even if its only highschool level physics if you haven't done it in a while its easy to be wrong. Its funny the circusclown sneako can scream out whatever he wants but destiny being wrong once and the conspiracy nutjobs instantly "win".
@@blacksuitedsonic Pretty much that exactly, Destiny isn't sure about rebuttals so he concedes the point to an absolute idiot making things up as he goes.
a perfect example of disagreeing in one area, but still being knowable and able to agree in another area. Kinda annoys me when ppl disagree and rule ppl off in general
@@ronswanson1410 Man have you seen the comments? I'm sure alot of them do but most of the comments Im reading are just ad hominem attacks "Myron doesn't know anything about women." Etc.
@@Ben-jv2ll and Myron didn't do that at any point when he had Destiny on F&F or even in this stream which is why i pointed out the comments attacking him.
I think at this point Sneako isn't really fully listening to what Destiny is saying. He's kind of made up his mind on these black and white assessments and decided "Destiny just trusts the government" which he repeats over and over - so anything that Destiny actually brings up that goes against an idea of Sneako's he's already looking for that out of "he's running defence, but I'm still right I just need to find the right angle".
“I’m 23, I don’t know wtf you’re talking about” - the most honest thing Sneako has ever said. He’s a run of the mill arrogant young kid. He refuses to listen. His biggest concern is opening his mouth.
Ur legit hating there’s a lot of times he’s there listening yes he’s young destiny is like 30 something he has a lot more knowledge a lot more time on these subjects
@@manofpower9289 i guess ur just as young (as am I) that you have to call someone a hater for literally saying what he did lmao being young isn't an excuse for being an idiot that refuses to listen, I've seen middle schoolers with more mature minds than him. get off his dick bro
@@BillyMurray-hw2vz Ppl in the Destiny community absolutely would. We call them "morally lucky" like congratulations you have the correct opinion by pure chance lmao. Hasan is the biggest example in a lot of ways, and hes continously attacked for being morally lucky and not actually thinking before he speaks
It's always so frustrating that these conspiracy types won't admit anything when they're clearly wrong. They throw out a question, and as soon as you refute the claim they _immediately_ drop it and move on to another question. They know they can't defend it because it was paper-thin, and then the move on as fast as possible to ignore that it just happened. It's so cowardly.
@@lolizorz Consider the possibility that everything the documentary said was wrong. I could write a documentary on the health benefits of consuming cyanide, doesn't mean it is correct.
Destiny said the other day how effective that is to their audience. Him admitting he's wrong open up his credibility to his audience. By moving on its unconsciously effective to his rhetoric..
Dude you need to give sneako a break. When destiny brings up a good point or a just a basic fact like when he told sneako about the towers already having an attack on them before, sneako shut up and admitted he didn't know that. He is already doing more than a huge chunk of the people destiny usually talks to
bro he didnt refute any of his claims mostly because they are impossible to refute (due to lack of evidence) but also because he didnt even know the details, stop acting braindead
@@lossnt557 fair (ish) but optically and maybe in sneakers mind, the fact that he doesn't stop and take any time to say well I might have been wrong means he keeps going back to things he's already had better explanations of
Maybe because destiny sees alittle of him self in sneako from when he was that age.. + its his charitable towards a lot of oeople, even people he hates sometimes..
Destiny needs to be commended for his openness and willingness to debate others and for being an actual smart and capable debater. This is coming from a Fresh and Fit fan.
I'm being doing this work since 2008. Destiny is quite wrong with his perspectives. Just because he has questions ? Doesn't mean there's som missing. He's ignorant on how Loges Numerology work. He confuses himself trying to points of aspects that has been orchestrated. CIA an Pakistani intelligence created Al-Qaeda. 9-11 has connection with numerology. Myron also isn't going to tell you everything, nor does he know everything in one aspect decision of Government. Some of you people are Naive.
I don't find him to be THAT capable. He is all right. Debating against someone like Sneako sure gives you a good leverage in the debate, but other than that Destiny use of numerous fallacies really is what drowns all his argumentation for me. He comes off as dishonest.
But explain the predictive programming in movies like back to the future and other predictive program messages before the attack. And how come they found their supposed id's in perfect condition. ANDDDD lets not forget tower 7 fell no plane hit it. no plane hot pentagon and no plane hit in PA. Osama was CIA and was wealthy, he was reported dead in 2002 by kidney failure, when Obama supposedly killed him it was confirmed that the picture they leaked wasnt a real picture
@@nyeimjones7982 : This is the problem when you don’t do your own investigation and fact checking you become extremely gullible and start believing the wildest conspiracies and almost entirely what you said is conjecture. I’m not even sure what to attack because almost everything you wrote has little to no truth in it and is based in magical thinking.
@@nyeimjones7982 : To add this is the most insane batshit conjecture I have ever read online either you are incredibly gullible, incredibly stupid or both. You won’t find any credible sources that corroborate any of the allegations you made.
@@KilimnikGenya nigga then take a back seat cuz u obviously dont know shit you talking bout. Im more tha happy to give sources and have a convo but you making attacks which is the first sign someones losing a debate now get on
You can tell that Sneako isn't even listening, its so infuriating. The guy is stubborn af. You can see his eyes darting around the screen while these guys are disproving his points. This dude lives in his little echo chamber
@@PandaWarriorTT Asking questions doesnt mean anything on its own you goober. Do you think evangelists are sincerely listening when they deal with or debate people like Dillahunty or random atheists? No. They KNOW they're right (in case this needs to be said, knowing you're right is different than being right) so they can ask questions that would fundamentally challenge their worldview without worrying about having to challenge themselves.
Part of why the sneaker is lost is because he's on a war against everybody that populism tells him he needs to be against; and then he's also directly a populist because he is always asking chat what they agree with and disagree with and then leaning either towards it or away from it depending on how he feels. That's why his explanation that he asked chat to challenge him isn't proof that he challenges his own opinion because it's like cherry-picking verses that already fit your morality from the Bible, you're just not going to do the things that go against how you feel
I am 10 minutes in and DAM!!!! the amount of bs coming out of Sneako's mouth is just incredible. I am pretty sure Alex Jones is giggling somewhere seing this.
conspiracy guys are literally the most NPC dialogue tree guys imaginable, if you catch the right youtube video you can see what they'll say to every question
So glad to see Destiny actually push back on Sneako's dumb shit on an issue compared to the last three sessions where he kinda nodded and agreed with his stupid takes.
when it comes to the red pill stuff it's a lot more feelings and pseudo sociology based opinions. A lot of those kind of viewpoints are more of a discussion of values than discussing facts, or at least critical thinking. That's why Destiny repeatedly says it would be "difficult to debate" someone like Andrew Tate, not because he would be "right" about so much, but because of the internal consistency of his world view. Debating conspiracy bros is a lot more like debating radical feminists. Just change Zionists/New World Order with Patriarchy and ask them to apply their standards of thinking to any other subject and the inconsistencies in their thinking show themselves real fast.
@@bewatter3014 if you think a reasonable middle ground is reached with people like sneako you need to reevaluate your goals. I feel embarrassed for red pillers rn
Damn, so fuckin nice to have Myron jump on this call. Someone Sneako obviously trusts, who has sneako's ear and agrees with him on A LOT of other stuff, to come on and talk him down, side with Steve on a lot of stuff and tell Sneako he's wildin
I’d love it if Destiny would force Sneako to respond to the point he just made rather than change the subject 1,043 times to avoid having to admit he’s wrong.
It turns out you can fly a plane a lot faster if you're aiming for the maximum possible speed rather than the fastest speed the plane can go before taking damage. You can do a lot more crazy shit if you don't have to worry about keeping the plane.
I will say I know they get heated sometimes but seeing that they’re still open to conversation even though they don’t agree is refreshing cause they show that you can talk about something without it becoming a full blown argument.
Nobody, including thousands of pilots, knew that it was possible to land a jumbo jet in the East River without any casualties either... until it became necessary for someone to try it.
Destiny is totally right about security being different, when I was like 5 me and my parents were allowed into the cockpit to look around, I think I even sat in the seat if I remember correctly I just didn’t wanna touch anyyyy buttons tho 🤣 but yeah the pilots and all the people were almost like geeking out because they liked showing off all the stuff in the cockpit, you wouldn’t get anything like that now a days
lol yup. Back then you could literally just walk onto an airport and walk around all day. You could send your kid up into the cockpit to say hi and get a picture. It's unimaginable but the world was COMPLETELY different.
I remember I flew for the 1st time back in the 90's and the planes still had ashtrays on the arm rests. Security was no where near the priority it is now. Also, there have been several attacks on several different world trade centers prior to 9/11. It's so irritating listening to people who argue "truther" stuff but are completely unaware of previous attacks. The funny thing is, these people use unanswered questions as proof that they are onto something but the one question that none of these people can answer is "What is the upside of this?" Like, what possible benefit is there to taking down an empty Tower 7? And why do it in such a suspicious manner? I don't even put my full faith in the official reports on 9/11 but very few conspiracies are able to stay secret. I do think Destiny has a tendency to be dismissive of some information but I'd far prefer his mentality than that of the schizo-skeptic that "just wants the truth". I'll admit that I go down rabbit holes every now and then but even if I do have my doubts, I am able to recognize that there is almost no benefit to proving my theory. These people seem to be unable to consider how some of these conspiracies could possibly the benefit the "bad actors".
Sneako was fun at first, but he's becoming more insufferable with every interaction. Idk if it's intentional for a grift and getting them views/money or if it's just age and lack of life experience.
holy fuck every time I start thinking "hm, maybe he just is a dumb kid who needs to be fixed up" he goes and shows me that Destiny is giving this guy too much credit. He might have been respectable and introspective as a young teen starting out, but Sneako has little to no intelligent thought seemingly happening inside that head.
God, that was so dumb to listen to. Civilian and commercial pilots have no reason to test the limits of the aircraft unless there's a life or death situation. And just because some experts say a plane "can't do that" means nothing. Theory vs practicality are wildly different (just look at what the pilots were able to make the plane do during the FedEx Flight 705 hijacking). Also, why is Sneako talking about how well the 9/11 hijackers flew the planes? If you listen to the ATC recordings, Flight 175 almost crashed into a Delta flight on it's way to the towers, and other pilots who could see the hijacked planes mentioned that they were flying erratically. They didn't fly the planes "perfectly"
I've been faced with multiple instances of this kind and I have to skip attempting to spend literal hours challenging it as it super often ends up that my words will fall on deaf ears. I can feel my IQ points dropping off for every yelled claim he makes……… We need braincell multiplier or something lmao
I hate how it takes hours of research to debunk easy false claims with little thought behind. You always have to fight 10x harder just to have a chance
I don’t know why on earth he agreed to do the 5 hour documentary. Loose Change was much more popular, makes the same claim, and has a 60 minute run time
Sneako and "the audience" hes trying to appeal to... dont realize how much hindsight is playing into their opinion. This is clear from his "how did they fly better than the pilots?" and "the passengers didnt do anything even though they going to die?!" - The passengers didnt fight because they didnt know they were going to die.. obviously if they knew the outcome, ofc they would have acted differently. Just like any human who considers their past mistakes, they fantasize about what they would have done different. To consider someones actions after they have died, is actively asinine.
When he said he didn't even know there was a prior attack and Destiny is talking about it, and Sneako is completely ignoring him and reading chat. Ugh. Like, don't you think a prior attack may have some influence on the one you're confused about lol? Dude actually thinks that doing research is bad and you should just trust your gut. Literally advocating for ignorance above reason since all paths to reason are establishment lies. Hes a funny dude but I couldn't deal with him lol.
Sneako acting like all the girls they interview on the Fresh&Fit podcast (interrupting people, not listening to facts, ..) made me laugh a lot Thank you for that moment
I’m a guy in my mid 30s , the 9/11 conspiracies are things which guys in my age group were into 15 to 18 years ago. Sneako is coming in and talking about now to a bunch of guys in there 30s like as if they have never heard these arguments before.
imo destiny's argument about the plane and car are correct. f.e. an insane suicidal person would probably risk to dive much deeper with a submarine than any captain ever would.
Sneako reminds me of my extreme conspiratorial friend. You can answer everything he says with logic and reasoning but none of it will be ever heard or taken in. Then the next point or idea is brought up. They wear invisible ear plugs
every conspiracy theory train of logic: there is some elements of the main story that seem sus, therefore, the alternative hypothesis is automatically true. if you ask any conspiracy theorist for their evidence, they'll immediately jump on the main story and attack it as if it counts as evidence for their theory. It's like we have 2 bridge design proposals A and B. I ask you "how do you know Bridge A will work?" you answer "because look at all those flaws and problems with Bridge B". Great logic
I’ve put zero research into this topic and even I remember from twenty years ago that they had received training. Although to be fair Sneako was in diapers at that time so he wouldn’t remember hearing that
@@youngbarrel-roll4649 mate I was 2 years old and am not even from America and knew this fact. However what he's getting at is, that knowing about this shit is a lot "rarer" so to speak if you missed the news cycle at the time. As anything anyone could find out about these ppl would immediately find its way to the news. Nowadays you only get these Infos if you either look for them or by chance watched a documentary on the history Channel about the event.
Id 100% believe someone if they told me that sneako is just playing into a character as he found his niche on youtube thats gonna bring in tons of views and free marketing through dumb 12 yr olds and hate watchers.
@@tango31313 the funny thing is he actually knows what he's talking about in women, cuz most of the stuff he is saying about women are true, except for the instagram part cuz what if your wife model?
I actually love the debates and collabs with destiny and Myron/sneako. We need more respectful yet opposing view point collabs. I hope all these guys can grab a beer together and set an example of bridging the gap between left and right.
Sneako tries to attack Destiny on "never looking at the other side" on these things, but judging by his reactions and lack of arguments, he doesn't seem to have ever watched or read anything debunking this stuff. Not to say he'd 100% be convinced if he did, but there's so much he just doesn't seem to know or have any context for. It really comes across that as if he was told or assumed it was fake, and then just watches things that tell him how it was faked. It doesn't even sound like he's ever heard someone refute any of this before. You've got to at _least_ watch people debating this before you try to act like you have a strong stance on it lol.
The dude's high on anti-establishment juice so anything confirmed by an official investigative body with credible sources must be a lie. Who needs the results of experts who bend their entire lives towards figuring this shit out when you can just listen to some dudes podcast?
@@mclazerz8931 Yeah, people who weren't around beforehand really don't seem to understand how different things were and how much less thorough security was before 9/11. We used to go all the way to the boarding area to wait with my mom before her flight, then wave at the plane out the window as it left and it was no hassle whatsoever.
Not gonna lie, I've gained new respect for Myron after this. I disagree with his takes on women and relationships, but would love to continue to hear of his thoughts on current events and other things.
@@rexyz5875 Right... I'm actually happily married but Myron got some of the best female rants I ever heard in my life. I would LOVE for one of these commenters IRL to debate him on them. He's spot the fuck on. And obviously, like he says, there's always exceptions to the rule. But when a girl acts like this, thinks like that, usually what he says happens or will happen...is just fucking FACTS..it is what it is. BUT… they group ALL women into the women I am saying he’s right about. That’s where he goes wrong
Just to nitpick, the idea that commercial pilots aren't required to understand the physical limits of their aircraft is completely untrue. Not only do they have to demonstrate a textbook understanding but will also encounter situations that test the limits of the aircraft in the simulator. Being an airline pilot is very different from owning a driver's license.
Yeah that sounds completely ridiculous. It's not like a car where if you crash, it _might_ not be so bad and you might survive it if it happens at slow enough speeds ; that's a plane, even at slow speeds they're gonna die, so might as well know about the very extreme limits of the plane, and about bad weather conditions, etc. I wouldn't want a pilot who didn't know his plane and its limits inside and out.
That is true, but the hijackers did all have commercial pilot training. They were not experienced pilots with years of service, but they did have training. They also did not have to take off or land, so it is perfectly reasonable to me that a partially trained suicide bomber would push a plane to much higher limits than an experienced pilot who actively tries to avoid those situations.
Sneako speaks like conspiracy npc asserts a conspiracy theory he saw on 4chan post or movie but when he gets challenged by reality he moves on to another topic . How do people follow these people
Sneako is so obsessed with chat. Every video I see him in. "What does your chat say" "what does your chat think"... Who tf cares. Talk about what you think and what your opponent thinks.
tbh he actually seems pretty insecure. He uses his chat to constantly validate himself & his opinions. "Muh audience of 600k people agrees with me!" Like good on you bro, you've got 600k brainwashed twelve year olds on your side lol.
@@Sophie-de9tp Bingo. He goes to chat when he feels any hint that he might be looking bad, then everyone goes "W Sneako!!!! LUL!" and it reassures him that he's not actually a dumbass. It's all insecurity.
They flew into the building in the manner they did because they almost fucking missed a giant building standing still. A trained pilot would have penetrated the building within 3 ft of the exact centre to ensure maximum damage with the wings level. They wouldn’t have nearly missed doing a 40 degree bank. They did that because they had no idea what they were doing and were likely outside the parameters of the plane
Bro you can tell he is intelligent, he has the foundation to be able to be a good critical thinker, he just needs to learn which is why talking to Destiny is a good thing. Destiny can see that
List the number of 14 year olds 9 years ago talking about a war with Syria while playing CoD. It's like if that Sophie girl didn't have her brother writing everything.
I’m an airline pilot and I’ll say that you’d be surprised how easy it is to operate a 757/767. Transport Category aircraft are a lot more maneuverable then civilians think, but an envelope still exists. Most of the hijackers had enough pilot training to operate an aircraft and many of these larger transport aircraft are not any different in terms of basic flying.
@@Firstname_Surname Destiny is able to reliably keep his friendship with mainly Lauren Southern, and increasingly with Nick Fuentes. He was ok with Martin Shkrelli until Martin blew that up. But when you look at Hasan, Vaush, Pakman, TriHex, Dylan Burns, some of the recurring characters from his days on Trainwrecks, Mike from PA, etc. you can see that he is less receptive of any of their perceived flaws. Then the less obvious ones like Lilychu, Botez, and Mr. Mouton are getting less-to-no time expenditure in public relationship maintenance. However, he is increasing his affinity to Aba, Sneako, and now Myron it seems. I just think he gets bored if he doesnt have a good argument with you from time to time.
@@bennyd8343 right. I dont think he has beef with all these people, but I do think he gets bored if he isnt arguing. He enjoys quips and snipes too much.
The only explanation for Sneako is that he has been in a coma since he was 8 years old, and is finally coming online. Admittedly, this would be a very confusing world to suddenly find yourself in.
Directing the plane while it's in the air is the easy part. A family member of mine owns a plane and would let me fuck with the joystick for a little while as a kid. It's not a fucking fighter jet in Ace Combat it won't do a barrel roll with just a tiny input from the pilot. Destiny is right taking off and landing is like 95% of the battle and they didn't do either of those things.
Sneako is clearly showing his age in the debate. He mentioned high security in the U.S. Airports...There was hardly any security in airports prior to 911. Later in the debate: "Of course he had insurance, they tried to blow it up before.." Sneako: "OH did they? I didn't know that..."
In regards to tower 7, those buildings are built in such a way so that if they fall they implode. Because clearly they want to prevent a skyscraper domino effect.
More specifically western society and it’s hard for me to blame him because social media has definitely had a negative impact overall on society. I would have probably been someone like him had I not discover Destiny
@@cwilliams6884 because they do something called investigations lol In the crash report they also tested the wings durability through stress testing. All on video and well documented. I believe it was 118% max stress level before failure occurred. Therefore 500-550 mp/h is well within the operating range of said fuselage and plane.
@@cwilliams6884 The tests and videos aren't tho my guy. That is how you confirm speculations. Also specualations implicates that the investigotars are just doing random guessing work which is far of the truth. It's called gathering evidence and reconstructing the crash.
Destiny, when Sneako *immediately* brings up a random point, just after you've said something, you should just assume that he hasn't heard a word of what you said. Because he was too busy in his brain thinking about what he was going to say/bring up, next... I've noticed him do that several times now, it's kinda annoying.
You’re giving him way too much credit, I don’t even think he’s thinking about what to say next, he’s too busy reading the chat, and reading the comments out loud.
Plane cruise speed is around 900Km/h which is usual for a plane travelling at 11Km altitude and it could be higher if the plane starts falling with a very high pitch angle...if a crashing plane is travelling at that pace at ground level is normal to lose some parts of the fuselage because of drag increase. 6 miles debris is not normal for a plane accident (because trying to crash a plane is not the same as an accident) but it just means that the plane was losing parts 40s before the crashing place.
8:50 I don't know why Destiny is even entertaining this line of thought. Trained pilots can land a plane even under duress, The terrorists of 9/11 flew into a very large building. You tell me which one is harder.
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Yo bro fuck whatever fresh and fit and sneak O saying watch zeitgeist part one.
it's probably 2 to 3 1/2 hours long that's it
Myron dunking as usual 🥱
Government isn't that shady guys.. Epst*in passed away from throat c*ncer
August, it's rare for you, but I think you F'd this one up. You cut off the last video just as Fuentes came on, which is when they started talking about conspiracies and this documentary. I only saw it because someone else uploaded it. People will have no idea what documentary they're talking about or why Sneako and Nick wanted him to watch it and debate about it.
Destiny explain to me how bin laden went to the white house with bush?
I think I could turn Sneako into a flat earther in 10 minutes with basic talking points.
Don't tell him about Zherka.
@@ms-mr8kg LOOOL i swear i love Jon zherka and thats so true lmao, Sneako would DEFINITELY listen to a guy like Zherka HAHA
@@ms-mr8kg jeeeeesus Zherka and Sneako would be too fucking funny LMAO
Probably
Then why can't destiny change his mind on anything? I think he might think for himself once he sees all the info he has
Sneako has mastered the art of pretending to engage in critical thinking while remaining absurdly stubborn and closed minded.
Dood he "does his own research"
It's weird how disdainful he is of Destiny taking notes and "doing homework" but that's the dude's character: incurious yet at the same time confident in his own beliefs without a thought given to information that might challenge them. He's got serious middle schooler energy
I don’t know about mastered, it seems pretty obvious when he’s not paying attention and just waiting to speak
@@laurendaryani4893 crazy to call him incurious
@@VashTheDamnFiend well be is. He just parrots every talking point over the last 15 years, sneako has no thoughts of his own, he's like a walking bitchute compilation
Sneako's biggest issue is that he just doesn't listen, he's too busy trying to interrupt while Destiny is presenting an argument.
Adhd
Because he's heard everything Destiny has said before. For some reason Destiny thought it'd convince him this time tho lol... But na, after Epst*in, it's hard to listen to "the reports" and trust them
It seems like he's mostly basing his view off of his feelings and what he's heard from people around him. He feels passionately about the things he talks about and he's heard a lot of different perspectives but he's not open to new ideas anymore so he'd rather just talk over people. Happened with Aba too.
He's fallen in the trap where if you find out that some conspiracies were true you automatically believe most conspiracies because it's more interesting than boring truths. He interrupts because he's wired to predict what someone is saying, except when he agrees with you. If he agrees with you you can repeat the same points 100 times and it's fine, but if he disagrees with you repeating it the same amount of times makes you a bot.
He probably spaces out when he speaks like he's in history class
Sneako is a prime of example of standing for nothing and falling for everything.
Exactly! I think that’s what makes him so funny and entertaining tho 😂
Why do people watch him? I don't get it. He's not interesting, he's not funny, he's not smart. He's the kind of guy who just makes my eyes roll the entire time.
@@happyhappy85 his fans are probably equally as dumb.
@@happyhappy85 I presume its mainly because he is so "redpilled" and therefore he fits a niche that only few are stupid enough to create content on
I’ll tell you why, sneako is an entertaining guy. He holds many ideas and beliefs that people like, which is why he blew up on TH-cam so quickly,
He has now fallen into conspiracy theory, political, stuff with an inability to understand that even if he believes some of these things, why is he making content that is only focused around that? He’s alienating his audience and we don’t care nor believe in most of the conspiracy theory’s he talks about.
If he wouldn’t have gone so hard specially about Jews, and other conspiracy like 9:11 he probably wouldn’t have been banned and people would be able to stomach him.
Now he’s hard to find cuz he’s not on TH-cam and does a lot more political stuff cuz of his rumble audience
It's weird to hear Myron talk about a subject he's actually extremely qualified to speak on
Exactly! I only heard him talking about this red-pill bullcrap and I had no idea that he’s not, in fact, missing a brain an can be reasonably informed on something… 😄
LMFAO He’s suspiciously quiet
😂😂😂 Yea his show is 🗑
@@ricoa9661most popular men’s podcast ever
Facts
The amount of charity afforded to Sneako has little to do with his age and more to do with the undeniable presupposition that Destiny is a girl’s name
Y does this type of comment ever get any likes I will never understand. It’s just a copy n paste job at this point.
@@tekkertruth1256 obamna
Heh you outpaced him intellectually with the ontology of your rhetorics infallible and undeniable etymology
thats a bingo.
@@degenxayah salient but fascist adjacent comment. Ameliorate harder.
Feels like sneako believes both everything is possible and nothing is possible
yea why is it that if a conspiracy person believes 1 thing they immediately believe all other conspiracies
He does. He believes whatever he needs to in the moment
If a bum told Sneako the government was lying about something he’d trust the bum
Are they going to talk about Saudi Arabia's involvement
@@mikabakker1 Because thet just don't want a popular opinion. They literally want to be the outcast the indifferent type of person. Some conspiracies are not even that much of a stretch but then the gov is lizards,earth is flat and we faked ever massive event.
Sneako's issue is not that he's young, is that he doesn't listen. I was never this insufferable
I'm 3 months younger than him and he acts like someone ten years younger than me.
@@samthemessiah9330 Bruh the average 10-year old would probably doubt what Sneako is saying
yet here u are with 59 followers :D isnt that funny
@@ayda2876 why are you bringing up youtube subscribers and you have less despite him not even haivng a single video on his channel
@@shotgum ''I was never this insufferable'' XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD just comparing them :D
Myron had some great insight for this discussion. He's actually a pretty cool dude outside of the red pill bubble. You should have more chats with him about topics that aren't about women and how much they suck.
Nerd
I've enjoyed his insight. His professional experience gives a really great perspective. He's a bright dude.
I know man....we get it, women suck next subject please. Their show creates more incels week after week and they profit off it.
When you man up and get into dating females you'll understand
@@FlanRoBoThEaD Sure, flanrobothead. Keep smoking that copium, casanova lmao
As much as I hate Myrons relationship advice and shit it was cool hearing him give insight on different topics. Definitely hope he comes on again.
Because he teaches men to know their worth and treat women as equals without putting them in a pedestal
@@rexyz5875no he doesn’t see or treat women as equal lol he wouldn’t even agree with this
@@rexyz5875 bro you didn’t have to lie
Please go harder on Sneako a little. It doesn't even seem like he's listening to what you guys are saying. He just sits and reads chat so he can find another question to interject with and derail the previous conversation. Literally the formula has been to ask a very complicated question, then read chat while Destiny is answering so he can come in with another question and completely ignore the answer Destiny gave. He's not even trying to hear a different point of view. He just wants to seem like he does
Great example of that at 23:20. Destiny gives a long explanation of how the US funded the mujahideen, from whom Al Qaeda later broke-off, but we never funded Bin Laden directly. And then Sneako just reads chat and asks about the next name chat gives him.
And "going harder" which without more information means nothing would help in this situation somehow?
@@SteveDawgNZ Yep he did this so many times, and I find it's very very common with conspiracy debates. They make a wild claim, then as soon as you start to debunk it their eyes glaze over, and once you finish they drop it and move onto the next as fast as possible. Once they realize it can't be defended they pretend it didn't happen without conceding anything. Next piece of script in the dialogue tree. No information processed. Nothing retained. The ironically these are the people calling others sheep and NPC's.
You’re describing
Most streamers though, XQC asmongold and Hasan just sit and react to chat through conversations too
@@ChichiNaka Because chat is the meta. Twitch is an awful place to have debates because the incentives are backwards. It doesn't pay to be right, it pays to give chat attention. The goal is crowd pandering.
How does sneako not understand someone who wants to die can push the limits far more than someone who’s job is to keep the passengers safe
Plus he thinks it's so hard to do when they only had to steer the plane. There are likely other auto functions that do the rest, they basically were just steering it. Combine that with their flight achool attendance & it seems like itd have been hard for them to miss by that point
@@frankmarano1118 my uncle owned a 6 seater plane and let me fuck with the joystick (not sure what actual name is)in the air as a child and it's like playing a laid back video game... a 747 isn't gonna do a barrel roll because you moved the steering a cm too hard. Taking off and landing is like 95% of the difficulty.
Pilots fly planes not only safely for the passengers sake but also for the planes health, which of course is not something a suicide bomber would need to take into consideration when flying
It annoyed me so much when he didn't see the difference in the crash scenario. It's an obvious answer. When pilots are in a crash scenario, they try to level the plane, reduce their speed falling, collide at open angles, etc... meanwhile, a jacker is throttling towards the ground. The reason the first crashes don't completely obliterate the plane is because the pilot did everything they possibly could to prevent exactly that.
@Sp0iledTransgirl I don't think he believes that exists. He unironically probably thinks it's a choice that you can just decide to stop doing and that any treatment for it is just government control to emasculate you, like he was saying about depression lol.
Holy shit, Myron being a voice of reason was refreshing.
He’s a literal Fed. Of course he believes it was Islamic terrorists
Refit and Refreshing
I mean they guy seems quite tuned in, he just has some skewed views on guys/girls
Its kind of fitting
@@robpom5501 or maybe he’s the normal one and your views in guys/girls are skewed.
I actually like Myron doing side content and discussion like this. He's a pretty grounded dude outside of the FnF stuff.
He does youtube videos about serial killers and terrorists and its really interesting. I can't stand the manosphere nonsense but I love learning about the other stuff.
Wait so Sneako believes that 4 military drones were covered in some kind of exterior casing that exactly resembled the passenger planes then swapped out mid flight. They were then flown at speeds and in ways well beyond the capabilities of the planes they were disguised as, while the passengers were presumably taken to be executed. All this so that they could crash into buildings that were already set to explode.
one can stop reading at "so Sneako believes..."
Listening to Sneako is like getting punched in the balls every 2 minutes.
🤣🤣🤣
There are a hundred versions of this same sentiment here but the way you put it has actually made me gut-laugh 😆
Unfortunately he's too dumb to feel it. It's really sad that he's super excited to get 22% of chat to say they agree with him. Moron just called the Towers a small target. 🙄
I am only 6 minutes into this video, but Sneako seems like the type of person in an argument to just blurt out whatever is on their mind without thinking about it, without knowing if it is even true and without listening to you. They just want to shout over you and love hearing themselves talk in their own delusional and myopic world.
Spot on
@@LIGHTISBURNING they are a good duo but if you fail to see how sneako says blurts out the most idiotics takes and is clearly sayin something he’s heard from someone else then Idk wat to tellbu
True I just started watching him a few weeks ago but he does seem like a genuinely good person he just blurts shit out sometime haha
Even the meatcanyon video shows he just blurts out points he's heard from other people/directly repeat them lol
He's literally the dumbest one out of all these so called "debate lords" 😂 he might be dumber than the fresh and fit dude that looks like a pug.. 😆
This is so fucking incredibly difficult to watch as an engineer.... Sneako is talking absoltute shit 95% of the time but Destiny cannot tell him why, 757/767 is easily capable of those speeds so just stick to that, a commercial pilot would NEVER do those speeds anywhere near sea level but the plane is ABSOLUTELY CAPABLE OF THOSE SPEEDS, WW2 PROPELLER PLANES COULD WITHSTAND SPEEDS LIKE THAT IN A DIVE. Fuck I just wish destiny learnt all he could about planes before this. There were so many easy responses to this conspiracy shit that he didnt even touch upon.
One of the other irritating things watching the documentary was when they were talking about the secession of explosions right "before" the towers fell, but the towers were starting to come down then...of course there's gonna be explosive sounds as each level collapsed into the one below...
@@Femailescortirl God the whole thing was so frustrating, conceding points that high school level physics would explain because Sneako makes incredibly stupid assertions made by the youtube docus he watches but destiny can only counter him on political points (and well done too) but lets him get away with just making up his own laws of physics (at least steve said "I'm not sure" about this stuff).
Had he researched the topic even a few hours he would have dismantled it easily.
@@crabpeople5541 I think the problem for destiny is that he is afraid to be wrong and then he will lose a lot of credibility in a debate. Even if its only highschool level physics if you haven't done it in a while its easy to be wrong. Its funny the circusclown sneako can scream out whatever he wants but destiny being wrong once and the conspiracy nutjobs instantly "win".
@@blacksuitedsonic Pretty much that exactly, Destiny isn't sure about rebuttals so he concedes the point to an absolute idiot making things up as he goes.
i love that sneako's response to every single point is just "so you trust the government?"
Sneako is a crayon eater. You are ridiculously patient to try and reason with him on anything but his favorite flavor
The irony of Sneako constantly calling other people bots is making all the cringe muscles in my face very sore.
corny
Who?
@@platosghost6916 you
Same man, sneako keeps on saying the same talking points, insults, descriptions of things these redpillers use.
Everyone are bots
@@soccerplayer922 Who asked, brah.
Myron can add quite a bit in the right context. Would definitely enjoy seeing him on again!
a perfect example of disagreeing in one area, but still being knowable and able to agree in another area. Kinda annoys me when ppl disagree and rule ppl off in general
@@bartsimpson274 Destiny's fans tend to do this alot. Lmao
@@SolidSnake240 except typically the party the fans disagree with is being some kind of disingenuous, smug, or slinging ad-home
@@ronswanson1410 Man have you seen the comments? I'm sure alot of them do but most of the comments Im reading are just ad hominem attacks "Myron doesn't know anything about women." Etc.
@@Ben-jv2ll and Myron didn't do that at any point when he had Destiny on F&F or even in this stream which is why i pointed out the comments attacking him.
I think at this point Sneako isn't really fully listening to what Destiny is saying. He's kind of made up his mind on these black and white assessments and decided "Destiny just trusts the government" which he repeats over and over - so anything that Destiny actually brings up that goes against an idea of Sneako's he's already looking for that out of "he's running defence, but I'm still right I just need to find the right angle".
He never listens though
@@TTellin That’s…. what the guy said
@@subwaysandwich7054 he said at this point
@@subwaysandwich7054 he said he THINKS Sneako never listens…. I just asserted it, because it’s true and obvious
@@TTellin so you're being obtuse
The question 'do you trust the government' doesn't even make sense unless you have no idea what government is or how it works
lol what
“I’m 23, I don’t know wtf you’re talking about” - the most honest thing Sneako has ever said. He’s a run of the mill arrogant young kid. He refuses to listen. His biggest concern is opening his mouth.
Ur legit hating there’s a lot of times he’s there listening yes he’s young destiny is like 30 something he has a lot more knowledge a lot more time on these subjects
@@manofpower9289 i guess ur just as young (as am I) that you have to call someone a hater for literally saying what he did lmao being young isn't an excuse for being an idiot that refuses to listen, I've seen middle schoolers with more mature minds than him. get off his dick bro
You wouldn't care if he was bluepilled
@@BillyMurray-hw2vz Ppl in the Destiny community absolutely would. We call them "morally lucky" like congratulations you have the correct opinion by pure chance lmao. Hasan is the biggest example in a lot of ways, and hes continously attacked for being morally lucky and not actually thinking before he speaks
It's always so frustrating that these conspiracy types won't admit anything when they're clearly wrong. They throw out a question, and as soon as you refute the claim they _immediately_ drop it and move on to another question. They know they can't defend it because it was paper-thin, and then the move on as fast as possible to ignore that it just happened. It's so cowardly.
@@lolizorz Consider the possibility that everything the documentary said was wrong. I could write a documentary on the health benefits of consuming cyanide, doesn't mean it is correct.
Destiny said the other day how effective that is to their audience. Him admitting he's wrong open up his credibility to his audience. By moving on its unconsciously effective to his rhetoric..
Dude you need to give sneako a break. When destiny brings up a good point or a just a basic fact like when he told sneako about the towers already having an attack on them before, sneako shut up and admitted he didn't know that. He is already doing more than a huge chunk of the people destiny usually talks to
bro he didnt refute any of his claims mostly because they are impossible to refute (due to lack of evidence) but also because he didnt even know the details, stop acting braindead
@@lossnt557 fair (ish) but optically and maybe in sneakers mind, the fact that he doesn't stop and take any time to say well I might have been wrong means he keeps going back to things he's already had better explanations of
I don’t know what it is about Sneako, but Destiny has been way too charitable toward him imo.
He's super charitable towards him #1 because he's blowing up so good clout, #2 because he's 23
its cause he sees him as a child/immature.... we all do.
@@KrymsonSkyz nah bro destiny is the opposite of a clout shark. dude talks to nobodies all the time
Maybe because destiny sees alittle of him self in sneako from when he was that age.. + its his charitable towards a lot of oeople, even people he hates sometimes..
@@user-vb4gm1nw2f I don't think he's a clout shark, on stream once he mentioned it's good to talk to him because he's blowing up
Destiny needs to be commended for his openness and willingness to debate others and for being an actual smart and capable debater. This is coming from a Fresh and Fit fan.
You like him because he kisses black ass
I'm being doing this work since 2008. Destiny is quite wrong with his perspectives. Just because he has questions ? Doesn't mean there's som missing.
He's ignorant on how Loges Numerology work. He confuses himself trying to points of aspects that has been orchestrated. CIA an Pakistani intelligence created Al-Qaeda. 9-11 has connection with numerology. Myron also isn't going to tell you everything, nor does he know everything in one aspect decision of Government.
Some of you people are Naive.
F&F Gang we up!
I don't find him to be THAT capable. He is all right. Debating against someone like Sneako sure gives you a good leverage in the debate, but other than that Destiny use of numerous fallacies really is what drowns all his argumentation for me. He comes off as dishonest.
@@mackblack5153 POV: you just started watching debates and learned the word fallacy
Myron is right about them going to flight school. A lot of Sneako’s arguments just stem from his extreme ignorance.
But explain the predictive programming in movies like back to the future and other predictive program messages before the attack. And how come they found their supposed id's in perfect condition. ANDDDD lets not forget tower 7 fell no plane hit it. no plane hot pentagon and no plane hit in PA. Osama was CIA and was wealthy, he was reported dead in 2002 by kidney failure, when Obama supposedly killed him it was confirmed that the picture they leaked wasnt a real picture
@@nyeimjones7982 : This is the problem when you don’t do your own investigation and fact checking you become extremely gullible and start believing the wildest conspiracies and almost entirely what you said is conjecture. I’m not even sure what to attack because almost everything you wrote has little to no truth in it and is based in magical thinking.
@@nyeimjones7982 : To add this is the most insane batshit conjecture I have ever read online either you are incredibly gullible, incredibly stupid or both. You won’t find any credible sources that corroborate any of the allegations you made.
@@KilimnikGenya nigga then take a back seat cuz u obviously dont know shit you talking bout. Im more tha happy to give sources and have a convo but you making attacks which is the first sign someones losing a debate now get on
@J B : I’m not reading this shit. Especially since reading a paragraph and you saying absolutely nothing.
It’s so funny seeing someone so passionate and sure of so many things that they’re absolutely clueless about lmao
We've gotten to the point where "taking notes" on important topics is an insult
Lol that was the dumbest and weakest ad hominem attack I've seen in a while 😆
Just proves how dumb snheako and his community is 😆
Apparently lol
clown world
@@aspreedacore*hell world
@@michalis75 it world
You can tell that Sneako isn't even listening, its so infuriating. The guy is stubborn af. You can see his eyes darting around the screen while these guys are disproving his points. This dude lives in his little echo chamber
I mean, he is talking to people with different points of view and asks a lot of questions generally. So I won't say that.
@@PandaWarriorTT Asking questions doesnt mean anything on its own you goober.
Do you think evangelists are sincerely listening when they deal with or debate people like Dillahunty or random atheists? No. They KNOW they're right (in case this needs to be said, knowing you're right is different than being right) so they can ask questions that would fundamentally challenge their worldview without worrying about having to challenge themselves.
@@BrendanishLeo sorry what did u say
@@BrendanishLeo Dillahunty is as just as bad as the evangelists.
@@outdun Pretty simple if you read;
"Asking questions does not mean you're listening sincerely"
Part of why the sneaker is lost is because he's on a war against everybody that populism tells him he needs to be against; and then he's also directly a populist because he is always asking chat what they agree with and disagree with and then leaning either towards it or away from it depending on how he feels.
That's why his explanation that he asked chat to challenge him isn't proof that he challenges his own opinion because it's like cherry-picking verses that already fit your morality from the Bible, you're just not going to do the things that go against how you feel
SNEAKER HAHAHAHA
his supporters should be called SneakerLickers
Sneaker
Like, can't you imagine him in doing a live stream out in public but what you don't see below the camera is that he's tiptoeing in Air Force Ones
Myron is a smart dude. This was entertaining to watch.
I am 10 minutes in and DAM!!!! the amount of bs coming out of Sneako's mouth is just incredible.
I am pretty sure Alex Jones is giggling somewhere seing this.
Sneako "destiny talks so fast"
meanwhile destiny is halfway through one conspiracy when sneako already brings up the next one. LOL
conspiracy guys are literally the most NPC dialogue tree guys imaginable, if you catch the right youtube video you can see what they'll say to every question
Sounds like Vowsh
Sometimes there aren't a lot of possible responses to a sheep's comment.
Ask me a conspiracy question plz 🙂
People who don’t question the system are NPCs
@@WOKSTARX
People who question government with no education or evidence are NPCs / sneako / Fuentes/ Dawson fans
So glad to see Destiny actually push back on Sneako's dumb shit on an issue compared to the last three sessions where he kinda nodded and agreed with his stupid takes.
Why not debate destiny on the takes he agreed with 👁️👄👁️
If they have common ground they will agree else they will disagree. That’s why it’s nice watching these guys.
when it comes to the red pill stuff it's a lot more feelings and pseudo sociology based opinions. A lot of those kind of viewpoints are more of a discussion of values than discussing facts, or at least critical thinking. That's why Destiny repeatedly says it would be "difficult to debate" someone like Andrew Tate, not because he would be "right" about so much, but because of the internal consistency of his world view.
Debating conspiracy bros is a lot more like debating radical feminists. Just change Zionists/New World Order with Patriarchy and ask them to apply their standards of thinking to any other subject and the inconsistencies in their thinking show themselves real fast.
@@twitchywitchx DEBAATE DESTINY BRO! PLS DEBAATE
@@bewatter3014 if you think a reasonable middle ground is reached with people like sneako you need to reevaluate your goals. I feel embarrassed for red pillers rn
Damn, so fuckin nice to have Myron jump on this call. Someone Sneako obviously trusts, who has sneako's ear and agrees with him on A LOT of other stuff, to come on and talk him down, side with Steve on a lot of stuff and tell Sneako he's wildin
I’d love it if Destiny would force Sneako to respond to the point he just made rather than change the subject 1,043 times to avoid having to admit he’s wrong.
Sneako just sounds stupid af when Destiny explains things to him, and he's got nothing to say.
Destiny is really trying to raise sneako. I can’t help but see their relationship as father and son 😂😂
It turns out you can fly a plane a lot faster if you're aiming for the maximum possible speed rather than the fastest speed the plane can go before taking damage. You can do a lot more crazy shit if you don't have to worry about keeping the plane.
I will say I know they get heated sometimes but seeing that they’re still open to conversation even though they don’t agree is refreshing cause they show that you can talk about something without it becoming a full blown argument.
Sneako is not the guy to have this debate with. He is never going to present his positions in a good light, ever.
true i agree with him but he sucks at arguing on this subject
Nobody, including thousands of pilots, knew that it was possible to land a jumbo jet in the East River without any casualties either... until it became necessary for someone to try it.
People do things all the time that might in concept be implausible...until it's done...agree!
imagine giving someone a gun, for the 1st time, and they hit a bulls eye, 3 times in a row after looking at the target only once
Destiny is totally right about security being different, when I was like 5 me and my parents were allowed into the cockpit to look around, I think I even sat in the seat if I remember correctly I just didn’t wanna touch anyyyy buttons tho 🤣 but yeah the pilots and all the people were almost like geeking out because they liked showing off all the stuff in the cockpit, you wouldn’t get anything like that now a days
So true, me too!
same. Before 911 I was allowed to take pic in the cockpit and with the pilot. You definitely cannot do that today anymore.
lol yup. Back then you could literally just walk onto an airport and walk around all day. You could send your kid up into the cockpit to say hi and get a picture. It's unimaginable but the world was COMPLETELY different.
I remember I flew for the 1st time back in the 90's and the planes still had ashtrays on the arm rests. Security was no where near the priority it is now.
Also, there have been several attacks on several different world trade centers prior to 9/11. It's so irritating listening to people who argue "truther" stuff but are completely unaware of previous attacks.
The funny thing is, these people use unanswered questions as proof that they are onto something but the one question that none of these people can answer is "What is the upside of this?" Like, what possible benefit is there to taking down an empty Tower 7? And why do it in such a suspicious manner?
I don't even put my full faith in the official reports on 9/11 but very few conspiracies are able to stay secret. I do think Destiny has a tendency to be dismissive of some information but I'd far prefer his mentality than that of the schizo-skeptic that "just wants the truth".
I'll admit that I go down rabbit holes every now and then but even if I do have my doubts, I am able to recognize that there is almost no benefit to proving my theory. These people seem to be unable to consider how some of these conspiracies could possibly the benefit the "bad actors".
How is that the same as allowing people through with box cutters?
Sneako is one of those people that is incapable of engaging in a hypothetical.
Thats why lav was so into him
He's like that annoying little brother lol
Sneako was fun at first, but he's becoming more insufferable with every interaction. Idk if it's intentional for a grift and getting them views/money or if it's just age and lack of life experience.
holy fuck every time I start thinking "hm, maybe he just is a dumb kid who needs to be fixed up" he goes and shows me that Destiny is giving this guy too much credit. He might have been respectable and introspective as a young teen starting out, but Sneako has little to no intelligent thought seemingly happening inside that head.
Hes the very thing he barks about.
The whole pushing limits/civilian pilot thing was so fucking dumb man. Sneako had like a 40 IQ take there.
It’s like arguing a bus driver will know the absolute physical limits of a bus speeding downhill since they drive it all day
God, that was so dumb to listen to. Civilian and commercial pilots have no reason to test the limits of the aircraft unless there's a life or death situation. And just because some experts say a plane "can't do that" means nothing. Theory vs practicality are wildly different (just look at what the pilots were able to make the plane do during the FedEx Flight 705 hijacking). Also, why is Sneako talking about how well the 9/11 hijackers flew the planes? If you listen to the ATC recordings, Flight 175 almost crashed into a Delta flight on it's way to the towers, and other pilots who could see the hijacked planes mentioned that they were flying erratically. They didn't fly the planes "perfectly"
Doing the hours of work to debunk a conspiracy theorist screaming popular claims that have zero reliable evidence. I hope its worth it lol
I've been faced with multiple instances of this kind and I have to skip attempting to spend literal hours challenging it as it super often ends up that my words will fall on deaf ears. I can feel my IQ points dropping off for every yelled claim he makes………
We need braincell multiplier or something lmao
Well he is getting paid for it at the end of the day so it’s probably still worth it lol
I hate how it takes hours of research to debunk easy false claims with little thought behind. You always have to fight 10x harder just to have a chance
I don’t know why on earth he agreed to do the 5 hour documentary. Loose Change was much more popular, makes the same claim, and has a 60 minute run time
Can you explain the explosion from tower 7. Destiny seemed shocked from seeing it last night on his stream and got off soon after.
Sneakos debate Tactics: i just scream loud enough in my Microphone while making my arguments and cut off any counter arguments screaming even louder
Sneako and "the audience" hes trying to appeal to... dont realize how much hindsight is playing into their opinion. This is clear from his "how did they fly better than the pilots?" and "the passengers didnt do anything even though they going to die?!" - The passengers didnt fight because they didnt know they were going to die.. obviously if they knew the outcome, ofc they would have acted differently.
Just like any human who considers their past mistakes, they fantasize about what they would have done different. To consider someones actions after they have died, is actively asinine.
Sneako: Stupid and Proud
God damn Sneako doesn't think beyond the surface level of anything he hears
When he said he didn't even know there was a prior attack and Destiny is talking about it, and Sneako is completely ignoring him and reading chat. Ugh. Like, don't you think a prior attack may have some influence on the one you're confused about lol?
Dude actually thinks that doing research is bad and you should just trust your gut. Literally advocating for ignorance above reason since all paths to reason are establishment lies.
Hes a funny dude but I couldn't deal with him lol.
Sneako acting like all the girls they interview on the Fresh&Fit podcast (interrupting people, not listening to facts, ..) made me laugh a lot
Thank you for that moment
I’m a guy in my mid 30s , the 9/11 conspiracies are things which guys in my age group were into 15 to 18 years ago. Sneako is coming in and talking about now to a bunch of guys in there 30s like as if they have never heard these arguments before.
Lmao them debating 9/11 was not what I was expecting to see, I love when these two debate great content🤣🤣🤣
It was obviously allowed to happen. Read just the first chapter of the resistance manifesto by Mark Dice
imo destiny's argument about the plane and car are correct. f.e. an insane suicidal person would probably risk to dive much deeper with a submarine than any captain ever would.
The red pill arc has been top tier, sneako is one destiny's best antagonist.
he's more like vegeta, an enemy turned ally who is slowly changing for the better episode after episode
Literally the best content on youtube i've seen this year
@@dvsavocs5290is he though? He seems to have gotten worse.
"Destiny, you trust the government"
You watch this shit like its anime? Sooo 😔
@@lampad4549 I wouldn't say so, on certain topics such as the one about having 20 girlfriends he came back
Sneako using a testimonial of a "pilot" is appeal to authority fallacy. I've seen kids defend a idea better.
Sneako reminds me of my extreme conspiratorial friend. You can answer everything he says with logic and reasoning but none of it will be ever heard or taken in. Then the next point or idea is brought up. They wear invisible ear plugs
Isn’t that what women do according to him?
@@lightskinprivilege lol true
As a non pilot who's super into aviation and tried professional simulators. Flying a plane fast and accurate into a building is toddler levels of easy
that's nice
have you converted to Islam, yet?
every conspiracy theory train of logic: there is some elements of the main story that seem sus, therefore, the alternative hypothesis is automatically true.
if you ask any conspiracy theorist for their evidence, they'll immediately jump on the main story and attack it as if it counts as evidence for their theory.
It's like we have 2 bridge design proposals A and B. I ask you "how do you know Bridge A will work?" you answer "because look at all those flaws and problems with Bridge B". Great logic
BTW these pilots weren't "untrained" they received both official training for flying a private and commercial planes a year earlier.
It's like he doesn't know how to research information from credible sources, which is crazy because he said he went to college.
I’ve put zero research into this topic and even I remember from twenty years ago that they had received training. Although to be fair Sneako was in diapers at that time so he wouldn’t remember hearing that
@@andrewcox5873 i was a little over 2 months old
@@aeon_media Going to college doesn't make you smart. Plenty of blue haired Karens with pierced noses out there to prove it.
@@youngbarrel-roll4649 mate I was 2 years old and am not even from America and knew this fact. However what he's getting at is, that knowing about this shit is a lot "rarer" so to speak if you missed the news cycle at the time. As anything anyone could find out about these ppl would immediately find its way to the news. Nowadays you only get these Infos if you either look for them or by chance watched a documentary on the history Channel about the event.
I almost think Sneako is deliberately trying to make himself seem as dumb as possible, as fast as possible.
Id 100% believe someone if they told me that sneako is just playing into a character as he found his niche on youtube thats gonna bring in tons of views and free marketing through dumb 12 yr olds and hate watchers.
@@DoomerMavsFan That is absolutely what he's doing and it's very obvious.
Yeah even his fan base is calling him out in his comments
It’s really too much shout out to destiny for increasing the IQ of these debates
@@rage2904 It may have started out as a character but the more he plays it the more he believes it.
Damn myron is actually pretty sharp too bad the miami girls took a toll on his sanity a little bit much 😂
if myron talked more about other things beside redpill shit, id actually subscribe. pretty interesting.
@@tango31313 the funny thing is he actually knows what he's talking about in women, cuz most of the stuff he is saying about women are true, except for the instagram part cuz what if your wife model?
@@tango31313 also redpill is necessary these days
Even when you are shitting on his bad takes you blame women. Epic.
@@tango31313 he does have a second channel talk about detective stuff but it ain't getting the views that he got from shitting on miami women.
I could turn sneako into a white supremacist even though i listen to rap everyday
I actually love the debates and collabs with destiny and Myron/sneako. We need more respectful yet opposing view point collabs.
I hope all these guys can grab a beer together and set an example of bridging the gap between left and right.
Sneako tries to attack Destiny on "never looking at the other side" on these things, but judging by his reactions and lack of arguments, he doesn't seem to have ever watched or read anything debunking this stuff. Not to say he'd 100% be convinced if he did, but there's so much he just doesn't seem to know or have any context for. It really comes across that as if he was told or assumed it was fake, and then just watches things that tell him how it was faked. It doesn't even sound like he's ever heard someone refute any of this before. You've got to at _least_ watch people debating this before you try to act like you have a strong stance on it lol.
He also seems, not his fault due to age but def due to not listening or researching, just how much 9/11 changed the world and USA in particular.
The dude's high on anti-establishment juice so anything confirmed by an official investigative body with credible sources must be a lie.
Who needs the results of experts who bend their entire lives towards figuring this shit out when you can just listen to some dudes podcast?
Yeah you gotta look at both sides of an argument.
@@mclazerz8931 Yeah, people who weren't around beforehand really don't seem to understand how different things were and how much less thorough security was before 9/11. We used to go all the way to the boarding area to wait with my mom before her flight, then wave at the plane out the window as it left and it was no hassle whatsoever.
Not gonna lie, I've gained new respect for Myron after this. I disagree with his takes on women and relationships, but would love to continue to hear of his thoughts on current events and other things.
His takes on women are actually the best, it just depends if youre on the blue haired, liberal side... then ofcourse you would hate him
@@rexyz5875 I could see if you disagree with some of his takes but he is mostly correct.
@@rexyz5875 Right... I'm actually happily married but Myron got some of the best female rants I ever heard in my life. I would LOVE for one of these commenters IRL to debate him on them. He's spot the fuck on. And obviously, like he says, there's always exceptions to the rule. But when a girl acts like this, thinks like that, usually what he says happens or will happen...is just fucking FACTS..it is what it is.
BUT… they group ALL women into the women I am saying he’s right about. That’s where he goes wrong
@@WTFBUTWHY yep
Just to nitpick, the idea that commercial pilots aren't required to understand the physical limits of their aircraft is completely untrue. Not only do they have to demonstrate a textbook understanding but will also encounter situations that test the limits of the aircraft in the simulator. Being an airline pilot is very different from owning a driver's license.
Yeah that sounds completely ridiculous. It's not like a car where if you crash, it _might_ not be so bad and you might survive it if it happens at slow enough speeds ; that's a plane, even at slow speeds they're gonna die, so might as well know about the very extreme limits of the plane, and about bad weather conditions, etc. I wouldn't want a pilot who didn't know his plane and its limits inside and out.
That is true, but the hijackers did all have commercial pilot training. They were not experienced pilots with years of service, but they did have training. They also did not have to take off or land, so it is perfectly reasonable to me that a partially trained suicide bomber would push a plane to much higher limits than an experienced pilot who actively tries to avoid those situations.
It blows my mind that people can call Sneako intelligent. I get that he's young but holy shit.
Sneako speaks like conspiracy npc asserts a conspiracy theory he saw on 4chan post or movie but when he gets challenged by reality he moves on to another topic . How do people follow these people
Sneako is so obsessed with chat. Every video I see him in. "What does your chat say" "what does your chat think"... Who tf cares. Talk about what you think and what your opponent thinks.
He doesn't have thoughts to share
tbh he actually seems pretty insecure. He uses his chat to constantly validate himself & his opinions. "Muh audience of 600k people agrees with me!" Like good on you bro, you've got 600k brainwashed twelve year olds on your side lol.
@@Sophie-de9tp Bingo. He goes to chat when he feels any hint that he might be looking bad, then everyone goes "W Sneako!!!! LUL!" and it reassures him that he's not actually a dumbass. It's all insecurity.
They flew into the building in the manner they did because they almost fucking missed a giant building standing still. A trained pilot would have penetrated the building within 3 ft of the exact centre to ensure maximum damage with the wings level. They wouldn’t have nearly missed doing a 40 degree bank. They did that because they had no idea what they were doing and were likely outside the parameters of the plane
exactly what a hijacker would say!
I still can't believe that Destiny thinks Sneako is smart
What ????
It's based on his old content, his current phase is either a bit or he became unhinged
Bro you can tell he is intelligent, he has the foundation to be able to be a good critical thinker, he just needs to learn which is why talking to Destiny is a good thing. Destiny can see that
List the number of 14 year olds 9 years ago talking about a war with Syria while playing CoD. It's like if that Sophie girl didn't have her brother writing everything.
It’s so weird, I don’t get why he does it.
If this kid at 23 is remotely intelligent then I’m a fucking genius
if sneako went to jail for 30 days the first person hes comes in contact with has the most power over him
I’m an airline pilot and I’ll say that you’d be surprised how easy it is to operate a 757/767. Transport Category aircraft are a lot more maneuverable then civilians think, but an envelope still exists. Most of the hijackers had enough pilot training to operate an aircraft and many of these larger transport aircraft are not any different in terms of basic flying.
that's nice
are you planning on going out like Germanwings flight 9525?
It seems to me that you are capable of removing them from their positions and political views and still be friends with who they are and I love it
Destiny has a much harder time staying friends with people he agrees with. I dont know if that's necessarily commendable.
@@cmike123 Astute observation. How did you come to that conclusion?
@@Firstname_Surname Destiny is able to reliably keep his friendship with mainly Lauren Southern, and increasingly with Nick Fuentes. He was ok with Martin Shkrelli until Martin blew that up. But when you look at Hasan, Vaush, Pakman, TriHex, Dylan Burns, some of the recurring characters from his days on Trainwrecks, Mike from PA, etc. you can see that he is less receptive of any of their perceived flaws. Then the less obvious ones like Lilychu, Botez, and Mr. Mouton are getting less-to-no time expenditure in public relationship maintenance. However, he is increasing his affinity to Aba, Sneako, and now Myron it seems.
I just think he gets bored if he doesnt have a good argument with you from time to time.
@@cmike123 him and pakman are still chill. Pakman jus doesn’t get a lot of destiny’s humor so they don’t hang out
@@bennyd8343 right. I dont think he has beef with all these people, but I do think he gets bored if he isnt arguing. He enjoys quips and snipes too much.
The only explanation for Sneako is that he has been in a coma since he was 8 years old, and is finally coming online. Admittedly, this would be a very confusing world to suddenly find yourself in.
I think a lot of me are waking up from a constant state of dissociation. Now we have to learn how to actually think for ourselves.
Directing the plane while it's in the air is the easy part. A family member of mine owns a plane and would let me fuck with the joystick for a little while as a kid. It's not a fucking fighter jet in Ace Combat it won't do a barrel roll with just a tiny input from the pilot. Destiny is right taking off and landing is like 95% of the battle and they didn't do either of those things.
Most of this goes right over sneako's head. he's more busy reading the chat than listening.
Sneako is clearly showing his age in the debate. He mentioned high security in the U.S. Airports...There was hardly any security in airports prior to 911. Later in the debate: "Of course he had insurance, they tried to blow it up before.." Sneako: "OH did they? I didn't know that..."
agreed
also, they DID capture some of the hijackers on airport cameras being waved through by POC security...
Destiny is definitely correct that Myron seems to be a very intelligent guy. He seems to articulate very complex points really well.
He's undoubtedly intelligent, he just uses his intelligence in sneaky and disgusting ways. Like Alex Jones, Rollo Tomassi, Pearly and other scumbags.
Yeah sneako needs to take some notes from myron on how myron is smart and is good at delivering his points
Watched this live was a fun one, I like listening to Miron (fresh) talk even if I don't agree with a lot of what he says.
wait.. one of them is fresh and one of them is fit? 💀 bro i thought they were both fresh and fit lmfao. so one of them isn't fresh and one isn't fit
Myron is “Fit”
@@4Y0P have you not seen Walter? The dude is the opposite of fit lol
Lyron
@@godiebeard Lestiny Wneako Wate
In regards to tower 7, those buildings are built in such a way so that if they fall they implode. Because clearly they want to prevent a skyscraper domino effect.
I think you could get Sneako to believe anything by just saying the government is for (opposite of what you're trying to get him to believe)
Explaining Pre-9/11 travel to someone who wasn’t alive is like explaining the purpose of Blockbuster video.
Love him or hate him, but Myron is well spoken, researched, honest and entertaining. Honestly an impressive dude, even if he's a little lost.
True! He just seems angry at the world
I feel like some girl crushed his soul and that was his joker moment.
More specifically western society and it’s hard for me to blame him because social media has definitely had a negative impact overall on society. I would have probably been someone like him had I not discover Destiny
I mean, his views on women are disgusting and brain-cell destroying-level stupid.
Is he lost, or are you? He seems much happier/successful than some grinch typing in the comments…
6 miles away? The plane was in a dive which was over the limits of the aircraft, parts broke off well before it hit the ground.
@@cwilliams6884 read the crash report
@@cwilliams6884 bruh are you lacking common sense?
@@cwilliams6884 because they do something called investigations lol
In the crash report they also tested the wings durability through stress testing. All on video and well documented.
I believe it was 118% max stress level before failure occurred.
Therefore 500-550 mp/h is well within the operating range of said fuselage and plane.
@@cwilliams6884, how do you know anything?
@@cwilliams6884 The tests and videos aren't tho my guy.
That is how you confirm speculations. Also specualations implicates that the investigotars are just doing random guessing work which is far of the truth.
It's called gathering evidence and reconstructing the crash.
I feel like sneako shoulda been raising his hand to speak while the adults were talking
Sneako is an adult too, you are just a boomer
@@David-xt5yg I’m 21 foo
@@David-xt5yg I think you missed the point buddy but that's okay Sneako missed every point too
Debating more people who don't know what they're talking about, what a takedown
😂 Oh hun, this is an exercise in critical thinking, not a debate. Lol
People are buying into a guy who drives a charger? You know who also owns a Charger? A bunch of people who have a 530 credit score and a $950 car note
Destiny, when Sneako *immediately* brings up a random point, just after you've said something, you should just assume that he hasn't heard a word of what you said. Because he was too busy in his brain thinking about what he was going to say/bring up, next... I've noticed him do that several times now, it's kinda annoying.
You’re giving him way too much credit, I don’t even think he’s thinking about what to say next, he’s too busy reading the chat, and reading the comments out loud.
Plane cruise speed is around 900Km/h which is usual for a plane travelling at 11Km altitude and it could be higher if the plane starts falling with a very high pitch angle...if a crashing plane is travelling at that pace at ground level is normal to lose some parts of the fuselage because of drag increase. 6 miles debris is not normal for a plane accident (because trying to crash a plane is not the same as an accident) but it just means that the plane was losing parts 40s before the crashing place.
8:50 I don't know why Destiny is even entertaining this line of thought.
Trained pilots can land a plane even under duress, The terrorists of 9/11 flew into a very large building. You tell me which one is harder.
Destiny is definitely a payed shill.