Part of the problem with exclusively teaching yourself is that you only learn what you think you need to learn. You miss everything you might not realize will actually help you.
Think of all the resources available to you in a college environment. I'm not even talking about the wealth of knowledge from instructors but all the equipment they have available for students to get their hands on.
@@Wavyso sometimes Gen Ed classes are exactly this though, what you don't realize might be helpful to you. Many of them are too large or taught poorly by overloaded instructors, but in theory having a shared base of basic knowledge is highly beneficial.
Sneako isn't just a part of "the matrix" he is entirely reliant on it. Everything he has is in large thanks to the "wage slaves" working at Patreon, TH-cam, TikTok, Discord, his ISP, the electric company. Calling all of them "bots" over and over again is childish. His unique, privlaged existence is only possible because of the people he constantly, berates. In other words: Not everyone can do what he does because he needs the infrastructure that's been put in place by people he looks down on.
I was waiting for destiny to say this. Their audience for this message is not “anybody”, it’s a very specific type of person, but admitting that would take away the optimism of that starry-eyed promise
It's very interesting because without "bots", sneako wouldn't have a career and he probably wouldn't have a father that did so much for his family. Without "bots", you can't get rich. It's like making fun of a guy working for subway when you're the one ordering a black forest ham 12 inch with light olive oil and extra cheese.
this was said multiple times, and sneako knows this. He just wants all of his followers not to become this person. he forgets that this is not possible. he also forgets that there is nothing wrong with this, and that a lot of people are fine with being just this.
@@gogomarioloshi fast food workers are severely under paid, all of retail, life would suck so much without it... people are so materialistic they would cry
Honestly this rhetoric is waaaay more destructive than tate's dating advice regarding women. You can recover from being a misogynist but you can't recover from wasting years of your early 20s. People who listen to him are gonna hate him from their gut few years from now.
@@kevintheshane you can still make something out of ur life. But recovering, as going through life like you haven't wasted first half of ur 20s is not possible. These are golden years of ur life.
Same thing about college with about half a million in debt😂😂😂😂😂😂 that's way worse than losing 59 bucks yall should be more open minded since your liberal
The leader-follower thing is the biggest indicator why you can tell Sneako is not old and experienced enough to understand the world. Most people don't actually want to be leaders. It's simply far more comfortable to leave the stress of "leading" to someone else and do the shit you agreed to do then not have to think about it anymore. And humans are creatures of comfort. That's fine.
And very often, those who want to lead most (like sneako and his kind of people), only want to do so due to their entitled ego.. real leaders understand how and when to follow and have compassion for their peers. Sneako is the psychopath type, the highly entitled, unintelligent but his high desire for what he thinks he deserves results in him consuming a lot of knowledge, making him seem intelligent but because his methodology of data seeking is driven by what he wants, it fails to teach him the balance beyond what he desires. His whole reality is a product of what he wants. This is the mind of a psychopath, their whole reality is shaped relative to their nuanced needs/desires. Hes thick AS
@@phantasticmrphasma9874 that's my biggest issue with sneakos point here, sure they're people who strive to assume command, but in reality how many of them want to pursue leadership roles to enrich society vs just themselves? And then you have to factor in those whom may desire to lead..... maybe aren't as effective at being a leader like someone else
I think it largely comes down to a naivety about consequences. Almost everyone is enticed by the allure of fame and fortune but for sneako and his editor, they literally can't fail, their support network ensures they're safe. For a working class parent who financially can't get out of credit card debt they cannot afford to fail, they have a duty to their family to succeed so they have to take the safe route he's shitting on
I have lots of trouble with him using the words "leader" and "follower" in this context anyway, it's extremely loaded. For him, "leaders" are just people who got rich by pursuing a non-mainstream career path, but you can look at lots of upper management, political figures, and yes, even entrepreneurs, who got into their positions by following the "mainstream" path as well, at least to a certain extend. The reason he uses "followers" and "leaders" as terms is just to prime his audience to agree with him. Just because you go to school does not mean you are a work slave, or don't want to take on responsibilities.
@@Aliyaaaa yeah its kind of unbelievable the message he shills that anyone that doesn't follow their dreams is a loser and a bot, when his main inspiration and enabler of his dream is his dad who would under his life model would be a loser and a bot because he chose the stable route and didn't follow his dreams. Sneako does not understand the sacrifices you have to make sometimes in adulthood.
The video in a nutshell. Sneako being delusional for 2 hours straight. And Destiny trying multiple approaches to explain himself to him but getting tired of it at the end.
I'm a software engineer. I was basically more towards sneako's "just learn on your own, reading the books" cause that's a lot of what my classes were (and I learned a shit ton of physics and chemestry that I don't really use... just interesting stuff). But Destiny is so on point that people who have to ask weather they should go or not, probably need the guidance. You changed my mind. Good job.
I'd agree at least on that point, if you have no idea what you want to do, then go to some type of school but it doesn't really need to be college. Trade schools might be a better option as you learn the craft faster, don't have the same debt and can start working faster.
Idk about the US but in uk most entry software engineer jobs require some sort of degree, unless you're doing an apprenticeship. I basically just played league for my bachelor's and got a decent grad job.
@@kurokjo9107 Yeah there are points for and against it, are some colleges a scam and can the better ones be done better? Yes, but a lot of time that is the better choice. People just don't know what they want at 18 most of the time.
@@idiotbassist6423 As an IT engineer. Experience matters the most. If I had to rewind time. I would do volunteer, apprenticeships, self learn and temps work instead of university. Build and promote your skills. Employees test you before taking you on. Both are in the wrong
@@idiotbassist6423 Yep! Web Developer from UK and played a lot of LoL too ha! Was lucky it was only 3k a year at the time. My course barely brushed on web dev but I got one because it was one less barrier to secure my first role and I don't regret it. Mine had a year in industry program too which helped me get an internship in my gap year so I graduated with 1 year experience already to beat competiton.
As a professional musician who didn't finish my degree, I can say that Degrees in the realm of music is HIGHLY valuable! The fact that this person continuously bashes the idea of people getting a quality education, and throwing everything into something that is majorly based on luck, is sickening. Getting an education in anything, gets your foot in the door with people that are currently successful, doing what you are striving to do. I guess in Sneakos case, they didn't teach active listening in High School.
I agree and disagree with having a degree for music only because my husband has been a musician for years, and never gave up on it he's started a band and everything while working a "mind numbing" job, like sneako says 🙄 but now he's playing at open mic nights at bars which is a gateway to earning money for it. But he's also making money and putting it into it he has band practice in his studio 3 days outta the week. I agree that he'd probably get more out of college however he's a lot like most people when it comes to school, which is fine because he's an amazing musician and he's mastered his craft for years. That's all it really takes is mastering the craft.
I'd say its 50/50, what is more important is the drive of the person. Plus there are so many shitty schools and degrees out there that could trap you in debt and no job after you finish it. I don't know if Destiny is ignoring those or something? Like yea, if you get to the top 10% schools then its probably almost guaranteed that you'll get a job, if you go to one of the average ones, not as much.
Destiny was spitting the entire time. This convo ended when destiny said “then if your chat are leaders they wouldn’t be on this stream at 9:30..” I was like yep time to pack it up
Everyone has to find their own way in life, but I’ll say this; you gotta know what makes you happy. I was happy when I waited tables for no money and I was happy when I got my first big boy post college job. A few years of living the happy waiter life while making the college money, and now I’m virtually free from financial concern for the rest of my life. I’m sure Sneako’s path has made him very happy and secure too. And that’s great. But my path is easily repeatable. His probably isn’t.
This is the difference between imparting wisdom and selling a pipe dream. Glad you found yourself a path and are willing to be upfront about how unglamorous the grind is. I would say half the satisfaction is knowing you built this for yourself? Regardless of the luck required in parts. For me it is anyway, wondering your thoughts on this?
@@xbabu142x I mean, I’m lucky in a million ways. Lucky to be born in America. Lucky to have two parents who were in my life. Being rich gives me a little satisfaction. Working my job gives me some too because it’s engaging and challenging. But largely, work and money are just part of what beings satisfaction. I get a lot of personal satisfaction out of being a good friend and husband, helping people out, reading, hiking, playing video games, traveling, etc. The career and money are helpful in that they enable those things. But I don’t need them to be a good friend or to read books, or really to play video games. These are all pretty cheap. Money makes travel more fun, but traveling on the cheap is fun in its own way too.
Yes. The problem is a guy trying to gain fame and cash off kids convincing them that they can all fill those roles in society. It's the same old everyone can get rich crap.
i loved learning the math in actuarial, hated the relentless study after work for the exams, hated the exam pressure but those exams pushed me where i am in ML/Software Engineering now. and now like i just mess around with teammates building models work from home and watch destiny and muta streams all day there is something about putting in the extra effort to be great or better - investment in yourself does pay off especially education (imho)
Destiny is so above Sneako in maturity, intelligence and experience. How he manages to remain so calm while listening to absolute garbage is impressive. Maybe it's entertaining for him idk. Made this comment before watching beyond 40min. Gets heated but I'm all for it
Sneako is the dude that unironically shares surface-level Instagram. The guy’s mentality and world understanding is something I’d expect from a high school sophomore
@@puppy3908 also, you’re projecting. I’m typing from my lab in grad school doing something successful and gratifying in my life. Good thing I don’t take Sneako for his word; I could’ve ended up in a crypto MLM draining my bank accounts in the hopes for winning it big that will never actually happen
What Sneako is exhibiting is basically the equivalent of survivors bias... the idea that because he made it there is something inherent to what he did that contributed to his success and that it could be replicated over and over again. If we got enough people, we could tell them all to just keep flipping coins, only allowing the ones that got heads to keep flipping; slowly but surely the population of coin flippers would keep getting divided in half until eventually there is only one guy left who has managed to get heads 1000 times in a row. That is just the law of big numbers; in other words, things that can happen will happen and they have to happen to somebody, no matter how improbable. I bet you that guy that just got heads 1000 times in a row would be willing to bet just about anything that he can do it 10 more times, and he'd probably be wrong. That guy is Sneako, and what he's basically telling you is that he managed to find a technique to the way he flips the coin which will work for anyone if they are willing to listen. The truth is that there are a certain amount of variables in your control which you can optimize to give you the best chances of success in the entertainment industry (and that is ultimately what all this is) and there are a few variables that were out of your control which will give you a natural advantage; but in the end it all comes down to luck, being in the right place at the right time as well as who you know. No one knows what exactly contributes to the masses taking a liking to a certain person, but not even the most powerful and influential people can guarantee you success in that regard. A lot of the time a particular set of events will occur and your popularity will gain momentum and exponentially grow until it ultimately fizzles out. The best you can do is take advantage of that when it happens and hold on to it for as long as you can, but banking on it happening is only something a fool would do.
This is a great explanation but tl:dr survivors bias is the assumption that because someone made it, it works, we only hear about the successes because they are the only ones to tell it, those who failed didn't survived and can't vouch otherwise
Try to keep costs as minimal as possible. However the habits college teaches you, especially if you're earnest in your learning and the networking you acquire when you showcase you are earnest in your learning and branch out are the invaluable parts of college to me personally. You need to go to college to learn, not party, otherwise you will not make the right friends.
Go to an in state school unless you need a highly specialized degree, the tuition difference is massive. You can also knock off some gen eds more cheaply at a community college before you start major classes, especially important if you don't know what degree you want because you can cheaply explore options.
Good because he is right, all of the research suggests that University graduates have better outcomes on average that non-graduates (including the self employed). This is literally my field of work and I’ve never seen any research that suggests otherwise (in the UK, but it’s the same in the US as well). Very intelligent, high achievers who go into work (usually STEM related work) after the compulsory school age are the only group of non-graduates that have labour market outcomes equal to that of graduates. Other factors are important as well: having a clear career plan, the subject studied, the quality of degree etc.
@@justlooking1087 research also suggests 40% of people drop out of college and 85% of people hate their job. Destiny and your advise only applies to a certain group of people. Personally I hated school, I ended up leaving when I was 16, I also hated my job which I worked at for 14 years. I remember having panic attacks driving into work because I was so miserable. In 2007 I had enough, I moved to Bali, where I now live with my wife and 2 kids, we run a number of different businesses and are doing really well. Although I agree with Destiny on most things I think Sneako's message resonates with me a lot more. I think the majority of people on this planet do not want to be plugged into system, I think we want to have financial freedom and a regular 9-5 job working for someone else does not give us that.
Why not? I learned about stocks, bonds, mutual funds, mortgages all from youtube videos and became a licensed broker because if it.. your point is that you can't learn a skill set online. That's fine. Plenty of us can and saved alot of money from schooling. My best friend worked at Walmart for 3 years while learning plumbing and eventually became a handy man running his own buisness. Saved enough money and became certified and now runs a 9 person plumbers company making over 500k yearly. Stop thinking you can't. That's the problem.
@@DyingToLive1987 i don't think that's what 4wrds was saying. Some people NEED to go to school, what you and your friend did is not the case for everyone.
@@robbycharmed that's possibly true but unverified. For instance we both did not complete general high-school. Neither did most of the people that appear to be able to do what we did. It's possible that general education is only teaching you a certain way to be able to learn, so that they keep you in the need for things like college. Considering they don't teach about real world economics like taxes, tax loop holes to reduce your forced contributions, and how to assess info critically... i have no doubt some ppl NEED college structure just like some ppl NEED self taught lesson from videos or direct hand on experience.
@@yungcris5211 ok.. and sneakos point was that more ppl would benefit not every single individual person. But the group as a whole if they changed their mindset, put 100% effort into it they will be better off.
It’s a false argument anyway. Not “everyone” can become use the knowledge to become an editor or whatever they’re arguing for. If everyone did this, the market becomes over saturated and all of a sudden this crazy amount of money they’re making is squashed.
everything is over saturated... Have a look at bodybuilding, the only new bodybuilder that popped out of nowhere, is Sam Sulek, the algorithm picked his bs content up and boom thats it. there are millions of bodybuilders posting the same content, nowhere to be seen
Sneako: "my chats are all 1's your chat is all 2's. All my chat want to be leaders and yours are all followers. 98% of sneakos chat will never be a leader lmao
As usual, what I find sadly fascinating is not that there are “geniuses” as Sneako, but that there are actually people that find him a role model to follow. 🤨
Bro stop taking these kids so seriously. People have role model changes by the month! SHIT BY THE WEEK. You seem so scared that some kid is gonna buy the Sneako program or some shit. If the kid is that dumb he deserves to buy it. Idk why you acting like you care smh 🤦♂️
I love that sneako says you don't have to go to school and then all the things he says to do instead are things that you would get lots of access to at school.
Sneako is a lost cause (if he is to ever understand what Destiny is talking about now, he will have to learn it from his own mistakes) but I feel bad for the 16-20 year olds who will waste time, potential, and money following Sneako's advice for 0.5% of them to succeed.
@- no? youre not taking into account the people who will fail because they took sneako's advice. But reality is 90% of sneako's fanbase won't try. 10% might actually try but their success will either be luck, or their own skill. Sneako's advice is good for motivation at best.
Mutahar and Destiny will give you the right advice on building wealth with no BS or pipe dreams. Until the government makes it not so, real estate and businesses are the most stable and systematically insurable vessels to build wealth with.
How does sneako not imagine the out come of his “route” like if everyone became TH-camrs, drop shippers, life coach or whatever online hustle society would collapse. The vast majority of important jobs aren’t online does he want to live in a world where there are no doctors or engineers, electricians, or farmers etc?
Brings up a point about his dad regretting not chasing his dream and says that is his greatest fear. He doesn’t understand that just because that’s your insecurity doesn’t mean that it’s everyone’s. He’s trying to invalidate people’s happiness and their feelings and tell them that they aren’t happy that they are bots when they are. Anecdotes on top of anecdotes on top of anecdotes
35:09 The irony is that the people in Destiny's chat are probably way more likely to be in some leadership position at some point in their lives than those people in Sneako's chat. A good portion of people getting STEM degrees will probably end up in some sort of Senior position towards the end of their career while college dropouts will mostly likely not be in such a position ever.
I do really appreciate Destiny's honesty here. I think while you can make a decent living online, it is very hard and there's a lot of people wanting to do it now, so it becomes more competitive. Destiny's honesty about the reality of earning money online is really refreshing. I think there's people that earn money online, there's people that make money with high school or comprehensive school qualifications and there's people making money with college or uni degrees. I like the details Destiny goes into, networking and the such that determine success and the rates of success. Sneako's reduction that it's a mentality and if you start thinking like an entrepreneur and move accordingly, you will earn all the money you want. That discourse has become so prevalent and I do think that discourse alone has got people thinking that's all there is to it. Isolated, just the mentality, has caused a lot of damage.
All the info from college be available online. Damn bro I’m in college rn for medicine, would be crazy if I could just do all my research, volunteering, studying, emt work, and nursing work from online and then when I get my license be able to operate on the single most important organ system in your body. All thanks to my online education. That’s not even considering that most med students don’t wtf is actually going on, even in college classes in real life.
This was probably the most frustrating "debate" to watch. Sneako acts like poor working class doesnt exist. Theres a reason "SoundCloud rapper" is a meme You can also make your dream a hobby. Dont have to give up on anything.
Ngl most of these soundcloud rappers dont make it because they suck at branding and marketing and dont work on their skills enough. I'll be honest and say that although I work a 9 to 5 on the weekends too sometimes and work overtime almost every day, I could still make it if I had the discipline. Everyone can make it but not everyone will. Obvously there are always exceptions.
I agree with the hobby thing tho. For some people, monetizing your passion can ruin the fun and stunt your creativity and feedom and then it becomes another soulless job.
If you have sick parents or if you are in a position were survival is your the only thing you have the luxury of thinking of, then you probably wouldn't have the privilege of trying to learn a new skill.
27:30 how cringe is it, when a 22 yr old kid, acts like he's giving life/adult advice to a 34 yr old man, who's married, has a kid, and a plethora of more life experience. Jesus christ I feel bad for sneako.
Sneako has never worked a real job, never owned a home, never been married, but he’s going to explain to us how having a 9-5, buying a house in the burbs, and raising a family is for suckers
True his Ideology wouldn’t be so bad IF he didn’t say being a mature responsible adult is being a bot and giving up on your dreams. Like not everyone dreams of Lamborghinis and bitches. If anything those dreams are the most fucking bot dreams ever, the most shallow existence conceivable it’s cringe as hell. Sneako doesn’t realize how privileged he is. Not that he isn’t talented, dedicated and hard working. He absolutely is a self made boss and I respect that but he doesn’t realize how much luck it took for him to get where he’s at. And his and everyone who defends him, excuse is that only bots and people who gave up say it has to do with luck. But go out in the real world for like 5 seconds and you’ll see internet success is about 75% luck and 20% hard work and 5% talent
It's actually sad to find out that Sneako's dad is the same type of person that he would look down on and call a bot. His dad made decisions that allowed Sneako the opportunity to be what he is and yet he has no problem insulting people that much are like his dad
Sneako is the actual bot. People like him have existed forever, the difference is that 20-30 years ago they would write books about their success and how everybody can do it instead of having a youtube channel.
Bro it's sad that destiny keeps platforming people like destiny tbh. This whole community is fake it hurts. Like watching wwe and everyone thinks it's real.
@@lifeunderthestarstv because people can learn from it dumbass. Can’t stand people who have problem with platforming people. You underestimate how many nick Fuentes and sneako viewers that destiny has deradicalized and/or completely converted over
also sneako: STEM majors are failures. Meanwhile Science majors make sure he stays alive, technical majors make sure his job keeps working, engineers keep the building he's in safe, and mechanical engineers make sure that any mechanical machine he uses functions. Edit: I have been made aware, once again, that the M in STEM is Mathematics. I'm going for a tech degree so I only follow protocol and disregard the math/s lol
What does sneako even do? Is his only "skill" talking about how to "not be a bot"? He is young too so he couldn'T even talk about life experiences to learn from
Sneako really needs to be humbled because education is power, and it’s obvious he needs to be educated on a lot of things. You shouldn’t ever shit on anyone who wants an education
Mfs out here avoid college degrees because they wanna be different, these mfs never stepped into the real world, you need a degree to be a doctor, lawyer, engineer. I'd rather not rather having a surgeon who's only experience was watching fucking TH-cam tutorials to remove my tumour
He needs to, but he is just completely incapable of processing the thought that he might be wrong about anything meaningful. Incel core 2 duo in his head just cannot compute
The topic is between these 2 was where to get the education in a traditional way or through the internet, nobody said that education is bad xD I am not on Sneako's side, but because of comments like these, Sneako fanboy lunatics start making examples out of you.
The irony of Sneako saying "I'm out of the system, I have a patreon" and telling his audience to be out of the wage slave job market, yet not realizing his wage slave audience is paying for him to say this shit. People who fall for this shit honestly deserve it
Even just the simple fact that he thinks money is the key out of the matrix just shows how deep in the matrix he is But the catch is that he probably KNOWS his ideas are horrible for people and still peddles it for the bag, so yeah I dont feel bad either lol
you live, you make mistakes, you learn (hopefully), and then you die. that's why we should listen to our elders, because they learned the most throughout their life. but we also must be keen on knowing which ones actually learned from their mistakes and listen to them only, and don't listen to the ones who never learn from their mistakes. or those who were so sheltered their whole life that they never had to endure any kind of hardship, as they have nothing of value to offer.
he'd prolly tell u he deserves it for helping those people get out of that wage slave stuff, but i can't judge cause i haven't looked into whether or not it actually helped lol
You're right about that last part. The typical destiny simp deserve to be the lifetime wage slave nobodies simping for low value 304s. The typical sneako follower deserves exactly where they end up depending upon how much work they put in. I can tell you exactly who I would rather be. I decided to take a vacation today because I felt like it. I just bought a new car because I felt like it. I'm building a dream home from the ground up... because I feel like it.
As someone who edits videos... I was quick to pick up the basics, but then I hit a curve where I couldn't pull off anything close to what I was seeing other people do. Then I bought a faster computer, and everything I made looked insanely better. There's an economic barrier to learning these types of skills these guys are talking about, it's not just believing in yourself
Nah bruh, go compile code or edit videos on that 10 year old celeron notebook your family has as the house PC as a profressional carrear it will work fine, trust me bro. These are the ramblings of kids raised on 1° world country with decent support from their familly, spouting the supids takes. Fun fact, I'm pretty sure Jake Paul basically said the same things in his course, take from that what you want.
You need money to make money. I genuinely feel like that saying applies to everything. Especially when you want to make really high returns. Sometimes Monetary sacrifices are necessary for future success. And by sometimes I really mean most of the time.
actually insane that both of the people who are defending not ‘being a bot’ and getting a stable job were able to get a shot at what they admit is a super rare line of work, only because they were lucky enough to have parents that chose the ‘bot’ route and were able to provide that shot for them.
Hearing the one guy say like 7 times that most people can just live with their parents while taking the gamble of trying to get rich on the internet or start your own business is completely insane. That britbonger desperately needs a reality check. The bit at the end where Aba gets them to admit they think tiktok is harmful to people / society but they're going to get their profit out of it anyways, really shows how much they are literally just Parasites convinced they are better than everyone else.
This is such a great point. There's so many people working behind the scenes on online platforms that provide the platforms these people use to make their income, if they're lucky enough to push through and make money. I like that Destiny makes the point that he came up in a time where it was less saturated and Sneako completely dismissing stuff like that kinda invalidates a lot of this mentality driven stuff he is saying.
Exactly! like how would they ALL be the leader of something without FOLLOWERS IF THEY'RE ALL "LEADERS" ?? ALSO the editor guy saying "well just bc u don't want to do it doesn't mean you cant ,its about your mentality" like no shit Sherlock.. but if I feel like death everyday grinding it out to become famous that's MORE of a detriment to my health than going with a stable college degree I adore.
Sneako is degrading college as a waste of time and money since you can learn online for free. Destiny describes paying for education as a safe and intelligent choice, and Sneako counter argues you don't need to pay to have networking or a proper skillset. Sneako is literally arguing against the concept of his own $50 a month bullshit course, and doesn't even realize it.
The argument now is the amount being paid and getting what you paid for, sneako offers a much cheaper alternative, however is he linking everyone who takes the course to an almost guaranteed source of income in comparison to a university… probably not, you still be better of going to uni than that course unless he has a high percentage of success stories
It's a testament to Destiny's character that despite all his his hard work, and level of intelligence, he can admit his success his mainly down to luck, and having a girls name
@@herzeleid9525 It helps when he's actually HAD real jobs. He's HAD to bust his ass as a carpet cleaner and working for a casino. He HAS real world experience, and for the things he doesn't have experience on he is WILLING to listen and learn. Sneako has no life experience, lucked into a career and is too ignorant to understand that he DOESN'T know everything.
Sneako can't admit that his success is because of luck (and hard work, but also, lots of people put in the work and still fail, probably like 95-98%), because it's counter to his brand.
It was super refreshing to hear, and it seemed like it terrified Sneako. He’s obsessed with having this image of being ‘high value’ that comes from being rich and an influencer. When DesTiny brought up that it was largely due to luck, it threatens the core of Sneako’s image.
@@kyle8971 The irony being that I guarantee that Sneako does not have the persistence or work ethic to do something like manual labour or carpet cleaning or hospitality and would be eaten alive in the real world. The more I listen to him, the more he reeks of privilege and being carried by mommy and daddy as a kid.
@@pepelechad536 this other guy, his editor, Musa, is also saying that most people in the west can live with their parents and build up skills and a bank account, which is fundamentally untrue if you look at the stats. Also, I'm calling bullshit on his stats that a software developer with ten years of experience (his dad) is only making 50k a year. No shot.
And his editor didn't even get his skills from Sneakos course. He just happened to be the one editor that caught Sneakos attention. Using that editor as a way to sell his course is so fucking stupid
As someone who works as an editor I’m sure editing some redpill guys TH-cam videos is not that guys dream job, thats the editing equivalent of a bad 9-5
This idea that "every successful entrepreneur dropped out, so therefore it's a good idea to drop out" is a HUGE example of survivor bias. Saying "you only fail if you quit" is like burying your hand in the sand to the fact that people need to eat and shower too, you can't just live out of a vague idea of a dream
I don't know about all the people that dropped out of college who became successful but I would think that they we're probably already on their way and made the choice to drop out because what they were doing started to become a better option for them. They didn't just not go to college and take some online courses and become where they are today. The way Sneako frames it is so bizzare
@@deadams8905 he frames it in a way that doesn’t let you respond. It’s almost like rhetorical questions, and which only really works if the two are on the same page. And since sneako only wants it his way there’s not going to be any basic foundations that the two can debate on
Sneako doesn't even understand that a degree is a form of networking and you can meet people in college that can help. If someone sees a degree on a resume, that doesn't mean they will automatically hire you, but it does look good and looking good is part of getting the job. Would you hire someone with proof of them knowing something, or hire someone that knows how to do something, but doesn't have credentials? The person with less credentials is automatically going to get paid less.
Its so incredibly frustrating to see destiny lay out an entire detailed response to sneakos question and sneako listens to absolutely none of it to just reask the question in an even more stupid way
@@EmpureMedia it’s infuriating that he calls people matrix slaves but refuses to acknowledge the fact that the world would not function if everyone followed his advice and even at that it’s impossible for everyone to follow through. This is all coming from insecurity to save face for his shitty scam program
@@missinterpretation4984and if that counter argument completely defeats your point, slightly rephrase your point using more obscure language and say it louder with a couple personal attacks
59:40 love the point that Destiny started to make here. If we didn’t have “complacent” people in our society, Sneako wouldn’t even be able to sit here and say the things he’s saying.
Every time someone makes a point Sneako deflects it and counters with some bullshit and doesn't acknowledge the point. HE INFURIATES ME. He refuses to listen, it's like pushing a wall.
He's a legit NPC. Anyone who pushes that bullshit The Bro Secret crap and then points at top 1%er famous people as examples is either braindead or a grifter.
It's unbelievably frustrating how Sneako literally cannot engage with anything Destiny says without mashing it through this filter to fit his ultra narrow world view.
Theres just a part inside of him thats still really insecure. The more destiny destroys his arguments without doing it gently that part will fight back.
“You don’t need a music degree to be a successful musician. You just need to meet the right people and perform and get good and put in the work” Okay. How do you “meet the right people”? How do you “get good”? How do you “put in the work”? If you don’t go to college, it is COMPLETELY possible to do all of this on your own. It’s also inherently luck-based. If you go to college for music, you are literally paying to be surrounded by “the right people”. If you get into a good music school, you are all but guaranteed to get a few years in the performance industry. It’s not the most lucrative field, but it is impossible to argue that you’re not making incredibly valuable connections.
yep this. As soon as I heard him say you just need to meet the right people and perform I was like what? How you gonna meet the right people and convince them to let you perform if your a complete nobody, just meeting someone will be insanely hard and convincing them to let you play etc will be even harder. Not to mention you will need to somehow be good enough to convince you are really good which very likely would require some kind of education as self-study to the top levels is excessively hard to do
I know man that shit was insufferable. Every time they opened their mouths it was “I have a friend” or “someone working for me” I don’t care what your friend did, I CARE WHAT THE MAJORITY OUTCOME IS. They cannot proccess that
They're kids who still think exceptions are the rule, when in reality, the rules are the rules, and for a good reason. It just screams "hasn't lived life yet," from those two. Hope they grow.
His example is crap too can tons of people be experts? The only reason his editor is making money is because not a lot of people have his knowledge. If all his audience jumped on that knowledge no one would pay his editor thousands for common knowledge and he would be living off sneakos pay.
yeah you cant argue life with people under the age of 25, let alone 2 dudes who are successful from a very rare set of circumstances both in love with the smell of their own shit.
As someone with a video game degree: I didn't need to go to school for the skills. There's so many ways to learn how to make games, and currently there are so many more opportunities for indie development, you absolutely don't need to go to school to learn these things... BUT I WOULD DO IT AGAIN IF I COULD BECAUSE IT LET ME EXPERIENCE GAME DEVELOPMENT IN AN ENVIRONMENT THAT WAS SAFE. If I had to learn the failures I did in school while my livelihood was on the line, I would have been FUCKED. I experienced a team environment, I met amazing connections who both learned with me and tutored me, and I was able to safely fail without fear of anything more important being on the line than a grade. School isn't just about being taught by someone who tells you what to do; it is also a place to EXPERIMENT. It's so valuable to be able to do that, and saying it's useless is so narrow-minded
So many people in this call fail to see the flaw in what they're saying. "I know a guy who is super successful after I helped them" yeah. Cause you know them. What about the guy who doesn't? You can't use your friend as an example and say that's proof. By knowing you, the successful connection, they have something the average person doesn't. You ARE different from the average person, you just aren't aware enough to see that because it was natural for you.
I can relate to this soo much. I am learning back end programming on my own and every day i need to muster up enough courage to learn something new just to fail at implementing it for 3 hours straight. learning alone you take everything at face value. You don’t know best practices, there’s no one to guide you, you figure out things on your own, and most of the time there’s an easier way to do it. I wish i had an environment where i could fail and not have to deal with it all by myself.
I am a coach of 8-18yr olds, this conversation just reminded me to talk to my kids about who they are listening to online. I hope none of them are buying into this knucklehead. All that said I am a college drop out who is a "follower" in sneakos mind. My "mindless matrix" job ensures clean rivers. There are options other than college but his scam aint it.
Yes! This is such an important point. The "followers" who "gave up" and are "plugged in" do the real shit that needs to be done so people like him can sit around making bank in the entertainment sector, providing zero benefit to the rest of society. He's not a leader, he's a con artist, though he might not even realize it.
I’m a heavy machinery operator and I’m sure these guys would look down on my 7-5 job… but it is putting two girls through college and the things I help build will be around a lot longer than my meat suit.
A big problem I had with Sneako and his editor friend arguing is that they fail to separate what is theoretically and realistically possible. It is theoretically possible for people to potentially go through extreme mindset and/or personality changes to do what they do, but is it realistically possible? Most likely not. Most people will never win the lottery, that doesn't mean it is not theoretically possible, but it is realistically impossible.
I agree 100% with you you can talk the talk but when it comes to walking the walk it is completely different if sneako and his editor get screwed completely and fall i doubt they can climb back up too where they were right now it just looked like they were claiming that high ground saying "I'm better then you" and when they lose that ground i want them too come back too this moment and think on it
@@anthonyrodrigues8470 you mean if they fail not when. The editor is 19 stacking his money so if he failed it would take years from what it sounds like before he would be in a bad spot. And his parents would help float him until he found his next venture. They aren't going to fail and for the situation they are in, preaching to others in the same situation they are the better mentor then destiny
I’m theory sneaky and his ideas wouldn’t work lol. To believe once good things happen or you become successful, bad things or failures can’t and won’t happen or shouldn’t happen is straight idiotic
@@DyingToLive1987 him saying that failure isn’t an option or a person not following a certain dream or path is somehow loosing or being weak some way is the same as saying failure or change of course is a bad thing or it shows weakness. TH-cam isn’t a life long viable thing seeing something is always replaced with something new. But an actual career can bring life long success
I'll say one thing for sneako, every time he opens his mouth I gain a lot of confidence in my own level of intelligence. Listening to sneako is like watching karen freakout videos, I feel much better about myself after watching these crazy ass people make absolute idiots out of themselves.
This has actually been huge for me in the past few years. I never really knew just how fucking stupid you could be while still being really successful in life and it's given me a lot of confidence.
Remind me again where do most people go to learn the essential of life to be a thriving citizen like, cooking, taxes, local laws, economy, credit score, housing, money leveraging etc. It isnt school unless you want to specify in one of those fields but you need all of those to thrive as a citizen or cog in the system.
Sneako is a narcissist. Ive known too many people like him. His projections, self aggrandizing and attention seeking behavior is unreal. The way he gets angry and defensive on a dime gives me trauma flashbacks. Narcissists are extremely charming and can really lure you in, but they are dangerously manipulative people.
That’s not really it. I know how sneako thinks and it’s moreso about how the word toxic is used nowadays. It tends to be used by twitter women, male feminists and the like and he associates the word and the usage of it with them, understandably. Personally I agree with sneako on that, a man calling another man toxic is weird.
@@laxxdood Are you seriously gonna sit there and act like you've never played a video game online and had a toxic teammate before? ...Or were all those dudes in the Overwatch lobby actually women on twitter?
@@wisemage0 No, you missed the point. Badly. It's not about "toxic" people themselves. It's about who tends to use the word a lot in this day and age. Women on twitter. Reading comprehension.
honestly sneakos editor is so much smarter and well articulated. i was pleasantly surprised by his ability to debate and see other people’s perspectives. really makes me question why he follows sneakos lead.
He's friendly with Sneako. It's not that hard to understand. The editor might appeal to you, but he clearly lacks Sneako's charisma for the wider audience. Destiny himself said Sneako hooked him up. As for Sneako himself, as much as I disagree with him, I like him enough. He actually believes the stuff he says so I don't think he's deliberately trying to scam people. 50 dollars for a class is not a "huge scam". This is ridiculous. I don't understand Destiny's audience sometimes. Maybe Muta should have weighed in. He understands the tech industry. We pay hundreds to thousands of dollars for 2-3 day classes. So many people online jumping on Sneako, why not go bully kids for setting up lemonade stands FFS. There's so many other things to criticize him on like his JAQing over Kanye, the jew question, etc while being ignorant. This "scam" thing is such a nothing burger.
I dont care if someone is friendly or not if they're giving stupid and acting stupid they are at LEAST indistinguishable from someone who is stupid. With the disaster way he fumbles about his existence thinking "im right cuz its what I want to believe and not the matrix" with no mental checks there's absolutely no reliability to anything this guy says. He admits, himself, that his ideology of hustling will fail for most who subscribe to it, there's nothing here to legitimize; he will never change, he has no incentive to. This entire discussion was targetted at his audience, NOT Sneako, why bother fixate on him?
He's obviously the case study of a normal guy. When someone looks at something like the fan base of Andrew Tate, or Sneako, they imagine people vastly different from themselves, but ultimately a lot of normal people can be swept up in their crowd purely from the more self help ideas they perpetuate. You could see that he still enjoys Sneako's humor, and jokes, whilst ironically being polar opposites to him in terms of articulation. That's not to necessarily give props to Sneako, but to expand our basic Idea of how we view other fanbases that have seperate opinions. One person's favorite TH-camr isn't going to dictate their entire life or personality. They may very well be changed, or follow a similar personality archetype of someone like lets say Andrew Tate, but when you have an audience in the millions, most normal people are going to watch for specific reasons, and tune out the more brain dead takes. Plus overall, everyone has a baseline for how they act, and this guy in particular might've just been more soft spoken. Eloquent, and 'reasonable' per say. That's just the type of person he is, that exceeds what his own personal beliefs are.
I generally don't like Destiny, but he is right here. Someone has to flip the burgers and for every success story out there, there's a thousand corpses that died trying.
Ha, I don't think that was *quite his message but point taken. The real takeaway should be Sneako is, in general, a priveleged and grifty POS and Destiny's heart and mind are generally in the right place
@@othus123 The issue with where sneako's heart is is how he views people who stay "plugged in". There's a lot of condescending shit, calling people failures for having regular jobs or regular educations. Doesn't seem like someone with their heart in the right place.
I'm one hour in and it is unbelievable to me, that no one has yet asked Sneako how I can become a certified Oncologist by watching TH-cam videos and shelling out $50 a month for the Creativity Kitᵀᴹ.
@@Kuroganemk2 he has points imho but I interpret it different. Learning editing, photoshop, web design, software, coding, digital marketing, excel online is much more smarter than %70 percent of the college imho.
Especially the part where sneak really - i feel on purpose - is just misrepresenting destiny while Destiny was afk.... It just was so disingenuous it was almost like lying.
Sneako suffers from a bad case of survivorship bias. He cannot even fathom how many kids started the same time on YT & got nowhere. He only recently acknowledged that he is privileged to have a well off enough family & a supportive dad to start his YT career. He also does not get that not all of us can make millions on YT or online like he does. He does not even know what he does not do.
one of my freinds has been doing youtube for years making content extremly simular to how sneako started and working his ass off and only ever got 600 subs. YT is luck, he is now going to college. sneako cannot fathom the sheer amount of people who started exactly like them but the dice roll of the yt algorithm didn't chose them
@@natediaz1863 then why not just say pay for networking? There are already plenty of establishments that do it. Why say creativity kit when it's actually not about that? And also, why call all of college education as a scam and complacency when he's doing the cheaper less accurate version of the same thing? I will agree, a lot of college degrees are a scam, like gender studies n shit, but that doesn't mean all of them are. You can't learn law, medical, engineering and many other faucets of education just with the internet. Even the ones you can just learn with the internet, not everyone can absorb it the same way. People want that community learning with peers and experienced people. Being around people with similar mindsets rather than seeing just texts on a chat screen. Sneako goes and calls everyone a bot and complacent just cause they don't share his world views. He can't think beyond the point of people are genuinely built different, he does a bunch of interviews in an ny subway thinks the world is all the same. All while he sells digital networking and calls it by another name. He's the bot repeating the same complacent shit.
I'm glad sneak jumped in the discord. This conversation just further proof of what we all know to be true. The pandering to young men, the flashy video editing, the radical conspiracy conjecture all serves a single purpose, To distract from the fact sneako is a shoes name
Here’s a great example that proves sneako wrong, my brother is damn near a computer genius. He knows more about electronics than anyone I know and knows more about than the majority of people I see online even. He’s got bad aspergers and other health problems that limit his ability to be sociable, not to mention the fact that with where we live and poverty stricken my family is, he is not getting the chance to meet these people and even after the few chances he did, he was told how impressive his knowledge and capabilities were but he didn’t have 4 year degree so there was nothing they could do. Maybe if we lived in like Texas or California he might be able to find someone who could take a chance on him at like a start up or something but in Mississippi? Hell no. One time he did get offered a job as programmer for a indie game but the pay was not enough to justify uprooting our entire family to move to Illinois. The reason it would have to be our whole family is because we never able to afford to get him the help he needed with his mental problems that greatly interfere with his ability to function on his own. Sneako has so had privileges in life that he just pretends doesn’t exist and it’s so annoying.
when it comes to programming and work with computers if you know how to do the work no one cares if you have a degree; in many cases it's seen as beneficial seeing as there is no minimum salary they have to pay you given your completed schooling and you're able to get a lot of work that way. I think the problem is that though he may be talented with computers he just doesn't have the requisite experience for the job and no one wants to train a new employee for months to do a job when they can easily just get someone who has been to school or completed the necessary certifications and will be able to do it right away. people don't really need computer geniuses for server maintenance or website design, they just want someone who knows how to do it and that they don't have to pay too much. your brother should look into getting his certifications at a local community college and then he will easily be able to get himself a job which only look that you have the right qualifications and how much experience you have. he may have to start off at the bottom but if he's really good he'll easily make his way up over the years and build a portfolio from all the different places he's worked at as well as all the contract work he's done and then he'll be able to get hired at the better paying posts
@@BreakRaven i live in a country where studying in university is free, so yeah i believe I'm lucky and even if it's paid in most of the countries, i believe it's worth it, and amazing place to find yourself and be responsible and learn and teach People and create communities there.
@@natediaz1863 We can talk about colleges being overpriced and predatory loan offices. But it is an absolute fact that the average college graduate's salary is way more than the average high school graduate. An overwhelming amount of CEO's of top companies all have multiple degrees with masters and PhDs on top of that. Our education system is no where near perfect but telling your young impressionable audience that its a scam is just wrong and possbly harmful. You can end up with 200k of debt in med or law school (which you have to attend college first before you go).. are those a scam? You can lead a happy and fulfilling life without college, but if your goal is to make a crap ton of money, there are very few choices that match going for any average person.
Only sneako views himself w this “leader” mentality… everyone else says you can’t leave the Mattix”… your always going to be a slave and you will always rely on something example the sun … Why do you think so many civilizations praised the sun ….
For the record, Miles Davis played the trumpet and he moved to New York to attend Julliard. He did eventually drop out but his autobiography did mention that although he could outplay even some of his instructors, he found value in school anyway. Having a formal education gave him an upper hand as an artist. And this is the entertainment industry we’re talking about. Sneako has no idea how little he really knows about other subjects when he says “school is a scam”. Try learning to become a surgeon through TH-cam tutorials.
I’m surprised Destiny didn’t go to this well. He’s not a professional caliber musician, or a genius/prodigy like Davis, but Destiny’s fluency in music theory shines through in every music stream he does. Literally “uses” his education all the time, even as a drop out in an unrelated field.
@@kevintheshane he didnt correct him because it didnt really matter to the conversation, the point sneako was making was there are successful people that didnt go to school. So even tho Miles Davis did go to school, Destiny knew what he was getting at.
Another huge thing that Sneako fails to realize and would be absolutely 100% baffled by is that some people weigh the pros and cons of going to college versus "following their dreams" and realize they can just follow their dreams later after creating financial stability, which in and of itself is a form of maturity if you aren't confident in your ability to make a living off of your dream. For example, Sneako keeps bringing up that Destiny "gave up on his dream" to play the saxophone. But the financial stability Destiny has created in what he does now allows him full autonomy to play saxophone if he wants to (or to play the piano, as he says in this video). One of my best friends plays electric guitar, played in a band in high school and loved it. He spent quite a bit of money on equipment and had aspirations of going into music in school, but ultimately decided to major in electrical engineering in college. He made that decision about a decade ago. Fast-forward to now - he has a government job making $250k a year, a nice house, a wife and kid, couple of dogs... and an in-house studio he's built where he can jam out and record whatever he wants. Could he have tried to make it by going to art school or finding some people willing to form a band and take that risk? Sure! But he went the safe route WHILE talking with his then-girlfriend, now-wife about what he wanted to do in life, which is play music. She agreed that when the time comes, he could have a room in the house be a studio, and a decade later, that's what they did. And it wasn't like he wasn't playing guitar and enjoying music that entire decade, either. Sometimes we make the decision to delay our dreams, and that's perfectly okay if we have a plan in place.
That is one of the most profound comments I've ever read, in regards to deciding whether if you should follow school or dreams. I strongly agree that if you're a man, you should separate passion and career so that its a healthy balance. And you can even come back to your passion after being stabled from doing a job that you may not necessarily like. Thanks for sharing.
Out of every one on this call I agree with Aba the most. Sneako is putting away to much faith in telling people not to go to traditional schooling. Destiny is putting to much faith in telling people to go to college. My personal opinion is to keep ALL options open and pick the path you want. Aba is hitting hard when he says not everything is for everyone 💯
Sneako is basically saying- you guys should all play the lottery because if you quit your job and play the lottery, you could actually win!! People actually win the lottery, you know. It might as well be you. And Destiny is saying- don’t count on the lottery, get an education and work for a career.
The funny thing to me is that of all the people Destiny talks with, Sneako produces almost the most predictable responses to any input of anyone. Yet he is one who constantly accused people of being “bots.”
Quickly noticed this a few weeks ago, he spouts shit I would say 5-6 years ago, word for word, when I thought I was “woke”. Kind of embarrassing considering we’re basically the same age
I love how almost everyone here is having a somewhat intelligent conversation and are relatively good listeners. Then there's sneako. Don't get me wrong, he listens, but then it all leaves his mind the moment he opens his mouth.
Imma be honest, if we can't have a single conversation with Sneako where he actually listens to a single statement, i'd rather we just go back to the lefty arc.
He's insufferable and clearly farming negativity. He has no plans on changing. Either life will whoop his ass and change him or he'll eternally be a knucklehead
This was extremely frustrating I’m glad I’m not the only one that felt this way. For someone who’s extremely critical of the things others do, he’s not very receptive to criticisms of himself. It’s difficult to listen to.
He’s trying to pull Sneako from his extremism. I think he sees a lot of himself in Sneako from Destiny’s early conservative years. You can see him in other debates really trying to play nice with him in order for Sneako to let his guard down.
Sneako is still more intelligent than the vast majority of lefties Destiny has argued with lol. They also seem to be worse people on a personal level most of the time despite the fact that I probably agree with them on more things politically than I do with people like Sneako and the Fresh N Fit guys
Sneako called his dad an npc bot stuck in the matrix. Pretty messed up. He lived his life doing what he had to, stuff down his dreams for the responsibility to raise his family. He could have left like some musicians and artists do.
If you can fall back on your parents, it’s because they are the ones who got a degree, got a skill set or “plugged into the matrix”. But these guys want to “unplug” while depending on the matrix. 😂
So by ‘I agree with you’ you meant ‘I’m a Sneako fan but I know my stance is indefensible so I’m gonna make a random ass comment about your yt channel to discredit you’
@@boywithanearring im the perfect one to talk. Because to me i have the perfect life. I bave two girlfriends in my home. I have a son and a daughter. I work enough to pay our bills and on the side i get play oldass games that i love for fun. Success and fulfillment doesnt mean what sneako seems to think for everyone. Id say having a side hobby thats for fun makes my life even more a blast. It forces me to actually finish games. If i wanted to turn this successful playing retro games wouldnt be the path. Id be playing whatever normie bait is popular and attracts an audience.
Actually Sneako makes a pretty good point. He’s literally got no cool life experiences, nothing interesting to say except for takes he copies from other online personalities, and he still has a audience he can live off of. If he can do it it does make me feel like literally anyone can.
Super true infact anyone can. As long as they get a camera and have a good background. All they have to do is watch videos in the subject and then make videos regurgitating the same subject
This is the problem of possibility vs plausibility. Yes it’s possible anyone can, but the issue is that it isn’t plausible and reliable to take a paid course to do it.
Literally anyone can be successful following that business model. There's literally hundreds of thousands of other people on youtube/tiktok who did the same thing as sneako & didn't become successful. It's the same as every other profession (music, art, etc), or buying lottery tickets, it's low percentage & luck based
"Do it" for how long? 5 years? 10 years? The vast majority of even "successful" online careers peak within 5-7 years and then begin slow or rapid decline within 10-15 years. An engineer or surgeon increases their skill set and compensation every year, with huge milestones every decade. There is 0 comparison between the benefits of real world success vs online "success" for 99.99% of people.
you dont get it he is a professional scratch off lottery player he is up big just pay for his course and you can scratch tickets and be a millionaire 2
Part of the problem with exclusively teaching yourself is that you only learn what you think you need to learn. You miss everything you might not realize will actually help you.
The best part of the internet is that there is endless information and the worst part is that there’s endless information.
Think of all the resources available to you in a college environment. I'm not even talking about the wealth of knowledge from instructors but all the equipment they have available for students to get their hands on.
@@Wavyso sometimes Gen Ed classes are exactly this though, what you don't realize might be helpful to you. Many of them are too large or taught poorly by overloaded instructors, but in theory having a shared base of basic knowledge is highly beneficial.
btw, if sneako genuinely believes "anyone can be successful", let's give him a saxophone and some TH-cam videos and come back in a month's time.
fkn based comment
Sneako isn't just a part of "the matrix" he is entirely reliant on it. Everything he has is in large thanks to the "wage slaves" working at Patreon, TH-cam, TikTok, Discord, his ISP, the electric company. Calling all of them "bots" over and over again is childish. His unique, privlaged existence is only possible because of the people he constantly, berates. In other words: Not everyone can do what he does because he needs the infrastructure that's been put in place by people he looks down on.
I was waiting for destiny to say this.
Their audience for this message is not “anybody”, it’s a very specific type of person, but admitting that would take away the optimism of that starry-eyed promise
Absolutely, great point
It's very interesting because without "bots", sneako wouldn't have a career and he probably wouldn't have a father that did so much for his family. Without "bots", you can't get rich.
It's like making fun of a guy working for subway when you're the one ordering a black forest ham 12 inch with light olive oil and extra cheese.
this was said multiple times, and sneako knows this. He just wants all of his followers not to become this person. he forgets that this is not possible. he also forgets that there is nothing wrong with this, and that a lot of people are fine with being just this.
@@gogomarioloshi fast food workers are severely under paid, all of retail, life would suck so much without it... people are so materialistic they would cry
Honestly this rhetoric is waaaay more destructive than tate's dating advice regarding women. You can recover from being a misogynist but you can't recover from wasting years of your early 20s. People who listen to him are gonna hate him from their gut few years from now.
You can definitely recover. But yeah, graduating college and getting a nice job at 22 is a ticket to easy street.
@@kevintheshane you can still make something out of ur life. But recovering, as going through life like you haven't wasted first half of ur 20s is not possible. These are golden years of ur life.
I agree a lot of those guys will definitely have a vendetta against sneako for wasting thier early 20s and that could potentially be dangerous.
Same thing about college with about half a million in debt😂😂😂😂😂😂 that's way worse than losing 59 bucks yall should be more open minded since your liberal
@@Weebgamer236 if you graduate you have a degree, also there’s no way you’ll have that much debt from a 4 years bachelor.
The leader-follower thing is the biggest indicator why you can tell Sneako is not old and experienced enough to understand the world. Most people don't actually want to be leaders. It's simply far more comfortable to leave the stress of "leading" to someone else and do the shit you agreed to do then not have to think about it anymore. And humans are creatures of comfort. That's fine.
And very often, those who want to lead most (like sneako and his kind of people), only want to do so due to their entitled ego.. real leaders understand how and when to follow and have compassion for their peers. Sneako is the psychopath type, the highly entitled, unintelligent but his high desire for what he thinks he deserves results in him consuming a lot of knowledge, making him seem intelligent but because his methodology of data seeking is driven by what he wants, it fails to teach him the balance beyond what he desires. His whole reality is a product of what he wants. This is the mind of a psychopath, their whole reality is shaped relative to their nuanced needs/desires. Hes thick AS
@@phantasticmrphasma9874 And those who want to lead are bad at it.
@@phantasticmrphasma9874 that's my biggest issue with sneakos point here, sure they're people who strive to assume command, but in reality how many of them want to pursue leadership roles to enrich society vs just themselves? And then you have to factor in those whom may desire to lead..... maybe aren't as effective at being a leader like someone else
I think it largely comes down to a naivety about consequences. Almost everyone is enticed by the allure of fame and fortune but for sneako and his editor, they literally can't fail, their support network ensures they're safe. For a working class parent who financially can't get out of credit card debt they cannot afford to fail, they have a duty to their family to succeed so they have to take the safe route he's shitting on
I have lots of trouble with him using the words "leader" and "follower" in this context anyway, it's extremely loaded. For him, "leaders" are just people who got rich by pursuing a non-mainstream career path, but you can look at lots of upper management, political figures, and yes, even entrepreneurs, who got into their positions by following the "mainstream" path as well, at least to a certain extend. The reason he uses "followers" and "leaders" as terms is just to prime his audience to agree with him. Just because you go to school does not mean you are a work slave, or don't want to take on responsibilities.
Sneako undervalues how much his family has enabled to be where he needs to be
ty segall brother i love you
Typical privilege. He needs some reflection on what allowed him to be where he is. Not everyone had the same things.
@@Aliyaaaa yeah its kind of unbelievable the message he shills that anyone that doesn't follow their dreams is a loser and a bot, when his main inspiration and enabler of his dream is his dad who would under his life model would be a loser and a bot because he chose the stable route and didn't follow his dreams. Sneako does not understand the sacrifices you have to make sometimes in adulthood.
Thats exactly what a bot would say /s
Honestly it’s the typical hyper-privileged perspective. Starting out on third base and thinking you hit a triple etc etc
The video in a nutshell. Sneako being delusional for 2 hours straight. And Destiny trying multiple approaches to explain himself to him but getting tired of it at the end.
I'm a software engineer. I was basically more towards sneako's "just learn on your own, reading the books" cause that's a lot of what my classes were (and I learned a shit ton of physics and chemestry that I don't really use... just interesting stuff). But Destiny is so on point that people who have to ask weather they should go or not, probably need the guidance. You changed my mind. Good job.
I'd agree at least on that point, if you have no idea what you want to do, then go to some type of school but it doesn't really need to be college. Trade schools might be a better option as you learn the craft faster, don't have the same debt and can start working faster.
Idk about the US but in uk most entry software engineer jobs require some sort of degree, unless you're doing an apprenticeship. I basically just played league for my bachelor's and got a decent grad job.
@@kurokjo9107 Yeah there are points for and against it, are some colleges a scam and can the better ones be done better? Yes, but a lot of time that is the better choice. People just don't know what they want at 18 most of the time.
@@idiotbassist6423 As an IT engineer. Experience matters the most. If I had to rewind time. I would do volunteer, apprenticeships, self learn and temps work instead of university. Build and promote your skills. Employees test you before taking you on. Both are in the wrong
@@idiotbassist6423 Yep! Web Developer from UK and played a lot of LoL too ha! Was lucky it was only 3k a year at the time. My course barely brushed on web dev but I got one because it was one less barrier to secure my first role and I don't regret it. Mine had a year in industry program too which helped me get an internship in my gap year so I graduated with 1 year experience already to beat competiton.
As a professional musician who didn't finish my degree, I can say that Degrees in the realm of music is HIGHLY valuable! The fact that this person continuously bashes the idea of people getting a quality education, and throwing everything into something that is majorly based on luck, is sickening. Getting an education in anything, gets your foot in the door with people that are currently successful, doing what you are striving to do. I guess in Sneakos case, they didn't teach active listening in High School.
I agree and disagree with having a degree for music only because my husband has been a musician for years, and never gave up on it he's started a band and everything while working a "mind numbing" job, like sneako says 🙄 but now he's playing at open mic nights at bars which is a gateway to earning money for it. But he's also making money and putting it into it he has band practice in his studio 3 days outta the week. I agree that he'd probably get more out of college however he's a lot like most people when it comes to school, which is fine because he's an amazing musician and he's mastered his craft for years. That's all it really takes is mastering the craft.
I'd say its 50/50, what is more important is the drive of the person. Plus there are so many shitty schools and degrees out there that could trap you in debt and no job after you finish it. I don't know if Destiny is ignoring those or something? Like yea, if you get to the top 10% schools then its probably almost guaranteed that you'll get a job, if you go to one of the average ones, not as much.
Here’s my thing…. If degrees are so valuable, why didn’t you finish school to complete yours ?
44:43 Irony doesn't get much better than Sneako saying, "Everybody in my chat wants to be exceptional."
Destiny was spitting the entire time. This convo ended when destiny said “then if your chat are leaders they wouldn’t be on this stream at 9:30..” I was like yep time to pack it up
Everyone has to find their own way in life, but I’ll say this; you gotta know what makes you happy. I was happy when I waited tables for no money and I was happy when I got my first big boy post college job. A few years of living the happy waiter life while making the college money, and now I’m virtually free from financial concern for the rest of my life.
I’m sure Sneako’s path has made him very happy and secure too. And that’s great. But my path is easily repeatable. His probably isn’t.
This is the difference between imparting wisdom and selling a pipe dream. Glad you found yourself a path and are willing to be upfront about how unglamorous the grind is. I would say half the satisfaction is knowing you built this for yourself? Regardless of the luck required in parts. For me it is anyway, wondering your thoughts on this?
@@xbabu142x I mean, I’m lucky in a million ways. Lucky to be born in America. Lucky to have two parents who were in my life.
Being rich gives me a little satisfaction. Working my job gives me some too because it’s engaging and challenging.
But largely, work and money are just part of what beings satisfaction. I get a lot of personal satisfaction out of being a good friend and husband, helping people out, reading, hiking, playing video games, traveling, etc.
The career and money are helpful in that they enable those things. But I don’t need them to be a good friend or to read books, or really to play video games. These are all pretty cheap. Money makes travel more fun, but traveling on the cheap is fun in its own way too.
Yes. The problem is a guy trying to gain fame and cash off kids convincing them that they can all fill those roles in society. It's the same old everyone can get rich crap.
i loved learning the math in actuarial, hated the relentless study after work for the exams, hated the exam pressure
but those exams pushed me where i am in ML/Software Engineering now. and now like i just mess around with teammates building models work from home and watch destiny and muta streams all day
there is something about putting in the extra effort to be great or better - investment in yourself does pay off especially education (imho)
Destiny is so above Sneako in maturity, intelligence and experience. How he manages to remain so calm while listening to absolute garbage is impressive. Maybe it's entertaining for him idk.
Made this comment before watching beyond 40min. Gets heated but I'm all for it
Wow its almost like destiny is much older than sneako
@@ggzyt_livitup3898 Not sure if my comment implied he wasn't. Just an amusing combo to witness.
>how he manages to stay so calm
lol that comes with the maturity
@@seasonalserotonin2559 i was just trying to joke around i hope everyone who watches can tell he is older
@@mmgvii8076 Maturity doesn't always equal incredible composure. Still easy to lose one's shit. Certainly helps though.
Sneako is the dude that unironically shares surface-level Instagram. The guy’s mentality and world understanding is something I’d expect from a high school sophomore
Yet here you are with the rest of us in the comment section and not in the video with them, Some I'd expect from a basement dweller.
@@puppy3908 is that supposed to be a good thought provoking statement? Do you want some 500+ people all taking in the same panel?
@@puppy3908 sorry buddy, it’s just you in the basement
@@puppy3908 also, you’re projecting. I’m typing from my lab in grad school doing something successful and gratifying in my life. Good thing I don’t take Sneako for his word; I could’ve ended up in a crypto MLM draining my bank accounts in the hopes for winning it big that will never actually happen
@@puppy3908 says the basement dweller. Why dont yuo go upstairs and help your mom clean.
What Sneako is exhibiting is basically the equivalent of survivors bias... the idea that because he made it there is something inherent to what he did that contributed to his success and that it could be replicated over and over again. If we got enough people, we could tell them all to just keep flipping coins, only allowing the ones that got heads to keep flipping; slowly but surely the population of coin flippers would keep getting divided in half until eventually there is only one guy left who has managed to get heads 1000 times in a row. That is just the law of big numbers; in other words, things that can happen will happen and they have to happen to somebody, no matter how improbable. I bet you that guy that just got heads 1000 times in a row would be willing to bet just about anything that he can do it 10 more times, and he'd probably be wrong. That guy is Sneako, and what he's basically telling you is that he managed to find a technique to the way he flips the coin which will work for anyone if they are willing to listen. The truth is that there are a certain amount of variables in your control which you can optimize to give you the best chances of success in the entertainment industry (and that is ultimately what all this is) and there are a few variables that were out of your control which will give you a natural advantage; but in the end it all comes down to luck, being in the right place at the right time as well as who you know. No one knows what exactly contributes to the masses taking a liking to a certain person, but not even the most powerful and influential people can guarantee you success in that regard. A lot of the time a particular set of events will occur and your popularity will gain momentum and exponentially grow until it ultimately fizzles out. The best you can do is take advantage of that when it happens and hold on to it for as long as you can, but banking on it happening is only something a fool would do.
This is a great explanation but tl:dr survivors bias is the assumption that because someone made it, it works, we only hear about the successes because they are the only ones to tell it, those who failed didn't survived and can't vouch otherwise
Sneako: I don't think I'm smarter then the people in my chat
By far the truest thing he's ever said.
lmao
As a person looking for direction in life, I genuinely value Destiny’s thoughts on college.
Try to keep costs as minimal as possible. However the habits college teaches you, especially if you're earnest in your learning and the networking you acquire when you showcase you are earnest in your learning and branch out are the invaluable parts of college to me personally. You need to go to college to learn, not party, otherwise you will not make the right friends.
Go to an in state school unless you need a highly specialized degree, the tuition difference is massive. You can also knock off some gen eds more cheaply at a community college before you start major classes, especially important if you don't know what degree you want because you can cheaply explore options.
Ew no not Destiny, he has some based takes here and there but don't hinge your lifestyle on his opinion/mantras
Good because he is right, all of the research suggests that University graduates have better outcomes on average that non-graduates (including the self employed). This is literally my field of work and I’ve never seen any research that suggests otherwise (in the UK, but it’s the same in the US as well). Very intelligent, high achievers who go into work (usually STEM related work) after the compulsory school age are the only group of non-graduates that have labour market outcomes equal to that of graduates.
Other factors are important as well: having a clear career plan, the subject studied, the quality of degree etc.
@@justlooking1087 research also suggests 40% of people drop out of college and 85% of people hate their job. Destiny and your advise only applies to a certain group of people. Personally I hated school, I ended up leaving when I was 16, I also hated my job which I worked at for 14 years. I remember having panic attacks driving into work because I was so miserable. In 2007 I had enough, I moved to Bali, where I now live with my wife and 2 kids, we run a number of different businesses and are doing really well. Although I agree with Destiny on most things I think Sneako's message resonates with me a lot more. I think the majority of people on this planet do not want to be plugged into system, I think we want to have financial freedom and a regular 9-5 job working for someone else does not give us that.
Forget the actual argument, Sneako is essentially saying "Don't go to school, just look it up online!" there's no way he's real.
Why not? I learned about stocks, bonds, mutual funds, mortgages all from youtube videos and became a licensed broker because if it.. your point is that you can't learn a skill set online. That's fine. Plenty of us can and saved alot of money from schooling. My best friend worked at Walmart for 3 years while learning plumbing and eventually became a handy man running his own buisness. Saved enough money and became certified and now runs a 9 person plumbers company making over 500k yearly. Stop thinking you can't. That's the problem.
@@DyingToLive1987 i don't think that's what 4wrds was saying. Some people NEED to go to school, what you and your friend did is not the case for everyone.
@@robbycharmed that's possibly true but unverified. For instance we both did not complete general high-school. Neither did most of the people that appear to be able to do what we did. It's possible that general education is only teaching you a certain way to be able to learn, so that they keep you in the need for things like college. Considering they don't teach about real world economics like taxes, tax loop holes to reduce your forced contributions, and how to assess info critically... i have no doubt some ppl NEED college structure just like some ppl NEED self taught lesson from videos or direct hand on experience.
@@DyingToLive1987 but that’s not going to work for everyone that’s the point that he’s trying to get through to sneako
@@yungcris5211 ok.. and sneakos point was that more ppl would benefit not every single individual person. But the group as a whole if they changed their mindset, put 100% effort into it they will be better off.
It’s a false argument anyway. Not “everyone” can become use the knowledge to become an editor or whatever they’re arguing for. If everyone did this, the market becomes over saturated and all of a sudden this crazy amount of money they’re making is squashed.
everything is over saturated... Have a look at bodybuilding, the only new bodybuilder that popped out of nowhere, is Sam Sulek, the algorithm picked his bs content up and boom thats it. there are millions of bodybuilders posting the same content, nowhere to be seen
sneako: class and school is a waste of time.
also sneako: take my class.
Sneako: "my chats are all 1's your chat is all 2's. All my chat want to be leaders and yours are all followers.
98% of sneakos chat will never be a leader lmao
Ironically all of them follow Sneako
Sneako thinks people who aren’t millionaires are only that because they didn’t try hard enough. It’s just more nuanced.
As usual, what I find sadly fascinating is not that there are “geniuses” as Sneako, but that there are actually people that find him a role model to follow. 🤨
Yes you're right and for the majority they are mostly kids. WTF are their parents doing?! Scary stuff.😒
apparently the prefrontal cortex is fully matured around the age of 25 years so pretty big group of people to draw from tbh
Bro stop taking these kids so seriously. People have role model changes by the month! SHIT BY THE WEEK. You seem so scared that some kid is gonna buy the Sneako program or some shit. If the kid is that dumb he deserves to buy it. Idk why you acting like you care smh 🤦♂️
@@Dubtoy94 just curious: what in my comment suggests you that I am, somehow, “scared”?!!?
I love that sneako says you don't have to go to school and then all the things he says to do instead are things that you would get lots of access to at school.
Sneako is a lost cause (if he is to ever understand what Destiny is talking about now, he will have to learn it from his own mistakes) but I feel bad for the 16-20 year olds who will waste time, potential, and money following Sneako's advice for 0.5% of them to succeed.
less than that.
0.000005
@- no? youre not taking into account the people who will fail because they took sneako's advice. But reality is 90% of sneako's fanbase won't try. 10% might actually try but their success will either be luck, or their own skill. Sneako's advice is good for motivation at best.
Muda: owns 2 7/11s
Sneako: creators course :)
Mutahar and Destiny will give you the right advice on building wealth with no BS or pipe dreams. Until the government makes it not so, real estate and businesses are the most stable and systematically insurable vessels to build wealth with.
Imagine calling someone working for a degree and getting a stable job and consistent income as “failure” giving up. sad
How does sneako not imagine the out come of his “route” like if everyone became TH-camrs, drop shippers, life coach or whatever online hustle society would collapse. The vast majority of important jobs aren’t online does he want to live in a world where there are no doctors or engineers, electricians, or farmers etc?
Brings up a point about his dad regretting not chasing his dream and says that is his greatest fear. He doesn’t understand that just because that’s your insecurity doesn’t mean that it’s everyone’s.
He’s trying to invalidate people’s happiness and their feelings and tell them that they aren’t happy that they are bots when they are.
Anecdotes on top of anecdotes on top of anecdotes
35:09 The irony is that the people in Destiny's chat are probably way more likely to be in some leadership position at some point in their lives than those people in Sneako's chat. A good portion of people getting STEM degrees will probably end up in some sort of Senior position towards the end of their career while college dropouts will mostly likely not be in such a position ever.
Pro-tip: Don't take life advice from a person who hasn't been an adult for a majority of their life.
Especially if they want you to pay for it.
the whole "you CAN get there" idea is so moronic at that point "YOU CAN WIN THE LOTTERY" "YOU CAN BECOME A BILLIONARE PLAYING SLOTS"
I do really appreciate Destiny's honesty here. I think while you can make a decent living online, it is very hard and there's a lot of people wanting to do it now, so it becomes more competitive. Destiny's honesty about the reality of earning money online is really refreshing. I think there's people that earn money online, there's people that make money with high school or comprehensive school qualifications and there's people making money with college or uni degrees. I like the details Destiny goes into, networking and the such that determine success and the rates of success. Sneako's reduction that it's a mentality and if you start thinking like an entrepreneur and move accordingly, you will earn all the money you want. That discourse has become so prevalent and I do think that discourse alone has got people thinking that's all there is to it. Isolated, just the mentality, has caused a lot of damage.
All the info from college be available online. Damn bro I’m in college rn for medicine, would be crazy if I could just do all my research, volunteering, studying, emt work, and nursing work from online and then when I get my license be able to operate on the single most important organ system in your body. All thanks to my online education. That’s not even considering that most med students don’t wtf is actually going on, even in college classes in real life.
This was probably the most frustrating "debate" to watch. Sneako acts like poor working class doesnt exist. Theres a reason "SoundCloud rapper" is a meme
You can also make your dream a hobby. Dont have to give up on anything.
Ngl most of these soundcloud rappers dont make it because they suck at branding and marketing and dont work on their skills enough.
I'll be honest and say that although I work a 9 to 5 on the weekends too sometimes and work overtime almost every day, I could still make it if I had the discipline.
Everyone can make it but not everyone will. Obvously there are always exceptions.
I agree with the hobby thing tho. For some people, monetizing your passion can ruin the fun and stunt your creativity and feedom and then it becomes another soulless job.
@@erenyeeagah204 Rapping has nothing to do with branding and marketing ... either you got it or you don't
If you have sick parents or if you are in a position were survival is your the only thing you have the luxury of thinking of, then you probably wouldn't have the privilege of trying to learn a new skill.
27:30 how cringe is it, when a 22 yr old kid, acts like he's giving life/adult advice to a 34 yr old man, who's married, has a kid, and a plethora of more life experience. Jesus christ I feel bad for sneako.
Sneako has never worked a real job, never owned a home, never been married, but he’s going to explain to us how having a 9-5, buying a house in the burbs, and raising a family is for suckers
Lmao true
Dude's like early 20 something too...
I mean so am I but at least I'm aware I don't know fucking everything at this point 😅😂
LOOOOL Preach bro
True his Ideology wouldn’t be so bad IF he didn’t say being a mature responsible adult is being a bot and giving up on your dreams. Like not everyone dreams of Lamborghinis and bitches. If anything those dreams are the most fucking bot dreams ever, the most shallow existence conceivable it’s cringe as hell. Sneako doesn’t realize how privileged he is. Not that he isn’t talented, dedicated and hard working. He absolutely is a self made boss and I respect that but he doesn’t realize how much luck it took for him to get where he’s at. And his and everyone who defends him, excuse is that only bots and people who gave up say it has to do with luck. But go out in the real world for like 5 seconds and you’ll see internet success is about 75% luck and 20% hard work and 5% talent
@@Imperial_Squid true! It’s good to be aware you cannot possibly have the answers when you’re not even 30 yet
sneako: "pay me to equip you with the knowledge you need to build a career."
also sneako: "school is a scam."
It's also hilarious that he shits on education when he is one of the dumbest people I've ever seen.
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Dont ever forget these 3 rules of life:
#1 Always pay me $50 a month
#2 Always post videos of me
#3 Get rich or get rich but pay me
Just an fyi, to play devils advocate, school and education are different.
@@bopa3933 correct, but Sneako does not offer education or schooling
It's actually sad to find out that Sneako's dad is the same type of person that he would look down on and call a bot. His dad made decisions that allowed Sneako the opportunity to be what he is and yet he has no problem insulting people that much are like his dad
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Sneako is the actual bot. People like him have existed forever, the difference is that 20-30 years ago they would write books about their success and how everybody can do it instead of having a youtube channel.
Bro it's sad that destiny keeps platforming people like destiny tbh. This whole community is fake it hurts. Like watching wwe and everyone thinks it's real.
@@coreyander286 Based and supportive father pilled.
@@lifeunderthestarstv because people can learn from it dumbass. Can’t stand people who have problem with platforming people. You underestimate how many nick Fuentes and sneako viewers that destiny has deradicalized and/or completely converted over
also sneako: STEM majors are failures.
Meanwhile Science majors make sure he stays alive, technical majors make sure his job keeps working, engineers keep the building he's in safe, and mechanical engineers make sure that any mechanical machine he uses functions.
Edit: I have been made aware, once again, that the M in STEM is Mathematics. I'm going for a tech degree so I only follow protocol and disregard the math/s lol
Electrical engineers and software engineers make the phone and the computer he uses, etc etc he's just fucking braindead lol
The "losers" and "bots" he talks about are the same ones he calls crying when his internet goes out or his toilet is backing up.
What does sneako even do? Is his only "skill" talking about how to "not be a bot"? He is young too so he couldn'T even talk about life experiences to learn from
100% sneako is brain dead when it comes to this.
Totally true
I don't really umderstand why destiny lets him get away with so much.
I mean I am sure destiny is aware of it...
sneako is a shoe's name
Im gone😂
this needs to take off
Sneako is a boot
@@chuck_whimsy would you say, he is a heel?
Spanish shoe
Sneako really needs to be humbled because education is power, and it’s obvious he needs to be educated on a lot of things. You shouldn’t ever shit on anyone who wants an education
Mfs out here avoid college degrees because they wanna be different, these mfs never stepped into the real world, you need a degree to be a doctor, lawyer, engineer. I'd rather not rather having a surgeon who's only experience was watching fucking TH-cam tutorials to remove my tumour
He needs to, but he is just completely incapable of processing the thought that he might be wrong about anything meaningful. Incel core 2 duo in his head just cannot compute
I think he’s doing alright
The topic is between these 2 was where to get the education in a traditional way or through the internet, nobody said that education is bad xD I am not on Sneako's side, but because of comments like these, Sneako fanboy lunatics start making examples out of you.
@@Xxrocknrollgod some day after you graduate from high school you won't think that.
sneako is the definition of someone who reads the summary of a book and thinks they can tell you what happened with every character involved
perfect lmao
In this video sneako was made measured and found wanting 😁
Im dead 😭😭
That's too damn accurate 😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The irony of Sneako saying "I'm out of the system, I have a patreon" and telling his audience to be out of the wage slave job market, yet not realizing his wage slave audience is paying for him to say this shit.
People who fall for this shit honestly deserve it
Even just the simple fact that he thinks money is the key out of the matrix just shows how deep in the matrix he is
But the catch is that he probably KNOWS his ideas are horrible for people and still peddles it for the bag, so yeah I dont feel bad either lol
@@brendan6778 he is more in the matrix than most people he calls bots
you live, you make mistakes, you learn (hopefully), and then you die. that's why we should listen to our elders, because they learned the most throughout their life. but we also must be keen on knowing which ones actually learned from their mistakes and listen to them only, and don't listen to the ones who never learn from their mistakes. or those who were so sheltered their whole life that they never had to endure any kind of hardship, as they have nothing of value to offer.
he'd prolly tell u he deserves it for helping those people get out of that wage slave stuff, but i can't judge cause i haven't looked into whether or not it actually helped lol
You're right about that last part. The typical destiny simp deserve to be the lifetime wage slave nobodies simping for low value 304s. The typical sneako follower deserves exactly where they end up depending upon how much work they put in.
I can tell you exactly who I would rather be. I decided to take a vacation today because I felt like it. I just bought a new car because I felt like it. I'm building a dream home from the ground up... because I feel like it.
As someone who edits videos... I was quick to pick up the basics, but then I hit a curve where I couldn't pull off anything close to what I was seeing other people do. Then I bought a faster computer, and everything I made looked insanely better. There's an economic barrier to learning these types of skills these guys are talking about, it's not just believing in yourself
Exactly…. the right equipment helps u out immensely, but that equipment is also expensive.
love ur videos mate especially ones on real dub / burial
Nah bruh, go compile code or edit videos on that 10 year old celeron notebook your family has as the house PC as a profressional carrear it will work fine, trust me bro.
These are the ramblings of kids raised on 1° world country with decent support from their familly, spouting the supids takes. Fun fact, I'm pretty sure Jake Paul basically said the same things in his course, take from that what you want.
@@amp4105 thank you! much appreciated
You need money to make money. I genuinely feel like that saying applies to everything. Especially when you want to make really high returns. Sometimes Monetary sacrifices are necessary for future success. And by sometimes I really mean most of the time.
actually insane that both of the people who are defending not ‘being a bot’ and getting a stable job were able to get a shot at what they admit is a super rare line of work, only because they were lucky enough to have parents that chose the ‘bot’ route and were able to provide that shot for them.
Hearing the one guy say like 7 times that most people can just live with their parents while taking the gamble of trying to get rich on the internet or start your own business is completely insane. That britbonger desperately needs a reality check.
The bit at the end where Aba gets them to admit they think tiktok is harmful to people / society but they're going to get their profit out of it anyways, really shows how much they are literally just Parasites convinced they are better than everyone else.
Ikr. It's mind blwing how he talks about the avenue his own parents took to make his life a possibility.
That pisses me off
This is such a great point. There's so many people working behind the scenes on online platforms that provide the platforms these people use to make their income, if they're lucky enough to push through and make money. I like that Destiny makes the point that he came up in a time where it was less saturated and Sneako completely dismissing stuff like that kinda invalidates a lot of this mentality driven stuff he is saying.
Exactly! like how would they ALL be the leader of something without FOLLOWERS IF THEY'RE ALL "LEADERS" ?? ALSO the editor guy saying "well just bc u don't want to do it doesn't mean you cant ,its about your mentality" like no shit Sherlock.. but if I feel like death everyday grinding it out to become famous that's MORE of a detriment to my health than going with a stable college degree I adore.
Sneako is degrading college as a waste of time and money since you can learn online for free. Destiny describes paying for education as a safe and intelligent choice, and Sneako counter argues you don't need to pay to have networking or a proper skillset. Sneako is literally arguing against the concept of his own $50 a month bullshit course, and doesn't even realize it.
@@natediaz1863 Not everyone lives in Freedomland and has to pay for college.
@@BreakRaven Paying for college is a thing in many western European countries...
@@diversitydeliverer7094 Definitely depends and it varies a lot. From up to like 5k a Semester in the UK, to like 150 in Germany or Sweden
I can’t become a doctor without school, in some cases school is absolutely necessary.
The argument now is the amount being paid and getting what you paid for, sneako offers a much cheaper alternative, however is he linking everyone who takes the course to an almost guaranteed source of income in comparison to a university… probably not, you still be better of going to uni than that course unless he has a high percentage of success stories
I’ve never seen footage of Sneako discussing anything he actually understands.
😂😂😂❤❤❤!!!
he did good here
@@user-fk8tr5ev8q nah
Revisiting this a year later makes it so much more hilarious.
@@user-fk8tr5ev8qSneako, specifically in this conversation after a year coming back to it, is even more stupid than I remembered.
It's a testament to Destiny's character that despite all his his hard work, and level of intelligence, he can admit his success his mainly down to luck, and having a girls name
@@herzeleid9525 It helps when he's actually HAD real jobs. He's HAD to bust his ass as a carpet cleaner and working for a casino. He HAS real world experience, and for the things he doesn't have experience on he is WILLING to listen and learn. Sneako has no life experience, lucked into a career and is too ignorant to understand that he DOESN'T know everything.
Sneako can't admit that his success is because of luck (and hard work, but also, lots of people put in the work and still fail, probably like 95-98%), because it's counter to his brand.
It was super refreshing to hear, and it seemed like it terrified Sneako. He’s obsessed with having this image of being ‘high value’ that comes from being rich and an influencer. When DesTiny brought up that it was largely due to luck, it threatens the core of Sneako’s image.
@@kyle8971 The irony being that I guarantee that Sneako does not have the persistence or work ethic to do something like manual labour or carpet cleaning or hospitality and would be eaten alive in the real world. The more I listen to him, the more he reeks of privilege and being carried by mommy and daddy as a kid.
@@pepelechad536 this other guy, his editor, Musa, is also saying that most people in the west can live with their parents and build up skills and a bank account, which is fundamentally untrue if you look at the stats. Also, I'm calling bullshit on his stats that a software developer with ten years of experience (his dad) is only making 50k a year. No shot.
"1 in a million make it online"
Sneako: points out the one editor who made it out of everyone in his class as his example
His class had less than a million people in it, ergo it's better than 1 in a million. Boom, roasted.
@@im1fadedRob were going to have to wait for the 2nd one to make it, we could get to a million before the 2nd one makes it lol
He even told us the guy was competing with four others who didn't get the job.
And his editor didn't even get his skills from Sneakos course. He just happened to be the one editor that caught Sneakos attention.
Using that editor as a way to sell his course is so fucking stupid
As someone who works as an editor I’m sure editing some redpill guys TH-cam videos is not that guys dream job, thats the editing equivalent of a bad 9-5
he's literally admitting that he's pushing people to ruin their lives to dream than obtain a real thing... he just said everyone isn't gonna make it.
he isn’t making that connection.
This idea that "every successful entrepreneur dropped out, so therefore it's a good idea to drop out" is a HUGE example of survivor bias. Saying "you only fail if you quit" is like burying your hand in the sand to the fact that people need to eat and shower too, you can't just live out of a vague idea of a dream
It’s also not true, almost every single billionaire went to college
I don't know about all the people that dropped out of college who became successful but I would think that they we're probably already on their way and made the choice to drop out because what they were doing started to become a better option for them. They didn't just not go to college and take some online courses and become where they are today. The way Sneako frames it is so bizzare
@@deadams8905 he frames it in a way that doesn’t let you respond. It’s almost like rhetorical questions, and which only really works if the two are on the same page. And since sneako only wants it his way there’s not going to be any basic foundations that the two can debate on
Sneako doesn't even understand that a degree is a form of networking and you can meet people in college that can help. If someone sees a degree on a resume, that doesn't mean they will automatically hire you, but it does look good and looking good is part of getting the job. Would you hire someone with proof of them knowing something, or hire someone that knows how to do something, but doesn't have credentials? The person with less credentials is automatically going to get paid less.
@@sonicboom564 and it was always a highly credited one. Like yale or harvard or brown or ucla. Ya know the ones that reject 98% of their applicants.
Its so incredibly frustrating to see destiny lay out an entire detailed response to sneakos question and sneako listens to absolutely none of it to just reask the question in an even more stupid way
I love that he’s calls everyone brainwashed, illogical and cannot ever respond with any level of nuance or self control lmfao.
@@EmpureMedia it’s infuriating that he calls people matrix slaves but refuses to acknowledge the fact that the world would not function if everyone followed his advice and even at that it’s impossible for everyone to follow through. This is all coming from insecurity to save face for his shitty scam program
@@yungcris5211 exactly. You can’t be a boss without employees.
I don’t know why you guys continue to insist that sneako is intelligent
@@Lhoyte1 who said that?
Sneako is the living embodiment of a conformation bias 😂
What I’m gathering is when you hear a counter argument you just yell your opinion louder and keep going.
@@missinterpretation4984and if that counter argument completely defeats your point, slightly rephrase your point using more obscure language and say it louder with a couple personal attacks
59:40 love the point that Destiny started to make here. If we didn’t have “complacent” people in our society, Sneako wouldn’t even be able to sit here and say the things he’s saying.
The irony is almost as strong as the lack of self awareness 😂
sneako is genuinely a lunatic. this matrix shit makes me roll my eyes every time. its his argument to everything and its honestly EXHAUSTING
Every time someone makes a point Sneako deflects it and counters with some bullshit and doesn't acknowledge the point.
HE INFURIATES ME. He refuses to listen, it's like pushing a wall.
it was cool back in 1999
Breaking out of the Matrix: buying tons of cars and expensive stuff, being completely blanketed in consumerism and status
@@jacobfromallstate4963 The irony is, that's exactly what being trapped inside the matrix is.
He's a legit NPC.
Anyone who pushes that bullshit The Bro Secret crap and then points at top 1%er famous people as examples is either braindead or a grifter.
It's unbelievably frustrating how Sneako literally cannot engage with anything Destiny says without mashing it through this filter to fit his ultra narrow world view.
Theres just a part inside of him thats still really insecure. The more destiny destroys his arguments without doing it gently that part will fight back.
@@moshofmeijer7169 I wonder how the convo would go without an audience present.
Exactly
1:50:00
You want to survive and be sucessful = listen to Destiny, Mutaa, Aba
You want to keep dreaming = listen to Sneako
Aba doesn’t teach anything lol wtf
“You don’t need a music degree to be a successful musician.
You just need to meet the right people and perform and get good and put in the work”
Okay.
How do you “meet the right people”?
How do you “get good”?
How do you “put in the work”?
If you don’t go to college, it is COMPLETELY possible to do all of this on your own.
It’s also inherently luck-based.
If you go to college for music, you are literally paying to be surrounded by “the right people”. If you get into a good music school, you are all but guaranteed to get a few years in the performance industry. It’s not the most lucrative field, but it is impossible to argue that you’re not making incredibly valuable connections.
yep this. As soon as I heard him say you just need to meet the right people and perform I was like what? How you gonna meet the right people and convince them to let you perform if your a complete nobody, just meeting someone will be insanely hard and convincing them to let you play etc will be even harder. Not to mention you will need to somehow be good enough to convince you are really good which very likely would require some kind of education as self-study to the top levels is excessively hard to do
Sneako and his editor is the embodiment of “average anecdote enjoyer” they love to say “my friend did” “I know someone”
I know man that shit was insufferable. Every time they opened their mouths it was “I have a friend” or “someone working for me”
I don’t care what your friend did, I CARE WHAT THE MAJORITY OUTCOME IS. They cannot proccess that
They're kids who still think exceptions are the rule, when in reality, the rules are the rules, and for a good reason.
It just screams "hasn't lived life yet," from those two. Hope they grow.
His example is crap too can tons of people be experts? The only reason his editor is making money is because not a lot of people have his knowledge. If all his audience jumped on that knowledge no one would pay his editor thousands for common knowledge and he would be living off sneakos pay.
yeah you cant argue life with people under the age of 25, let alone 2 dudes who are successful from a very rare set of circumstances both in love with the smell of their own shit.
They both are young and ignorant
Sneako is hands down one of the single most delusional people on the internet. It's genuinely impressive but also scary
Can't sell snake oil if you don't yell about how much you believe in it on every corner.
He goes so hard on the red pill kool aid it's WILD.
He's a mixed up kid, it's what Tate does to them. Makes them confused when they have no experiance to compare to.
@MrPeppa He's 23 but thinks like hes still 14
No. He has a lot of misconceptions about the world, as everyone does at his age, but like 20% of heavy internet users are genuine schizos.
As someone with a video game degree: I didn't need to go to school for the skills. There's so many ways to learn how to make games, and currently there are so many more opportunities for indie development, you absolutely don't need to go to school to learn these things...
BUT I WOULD DO IT AGAIN IF I COULD BECAUSE IT LET ME EXPERIENCE GAME DEVELOPMENT IN AN ENVIRONMENT THAT WAS SAFE. If I had to learn the failures I did in school while my livelihood was on the line, I would have been FUCKED. I experienced a team environment, I met amazing connections who both learned with me and tutored me, and I was able to safely fail without fear of anything more important being on the line than a grade.
School isn't just about being taught by someone who tells you what to do; it is also a place to EXPERIMENT. It's so valuable to be able to do that, and saying it's useless is so narrow-minded
So many people in this call fail to see the flaw in what they're saying. "I know a guy who is super successful after I helped them" yeah. Cause you know them. What about the guy who doesn't?
You can't use your friend as an example and say that's proof. By knowing you, the successful connection, they have something the average person doesn't. You ARE different from the average person, you just aren't aware enough to see that because it was natural for you.
I can relate to this soo much. I am learning back end programming on my own and every day i need to muster up enough courage to learn something new just to fail at implementing it for 3 hours straight. learning alone you take everything at face value. You don’t know best practices, there’s no one to guide you, you figure out things on your own, and most of the time there’s an easier way to do it. I wish i had an environment where i could fail and not have to deal with it all by myself.
I am a coach of 8-18yr olds, this conversation just reminded me to talk to my kids about who they are listening to online. I hope none of them are buying into this knucklehead. All that said I am a college drop out who is a "follower" in sneakos mind. My "mindless matrix" job ensures clean rivers. There are options other than college but his scam aint it.
Yes! This is such an important point. The "followers" who "gave up" and are "plugged in" do the real shit that needs to be done so people like him can sit around making bank in the entertainment sector, providing zero benefit to the rest of society. He's not a leader, he's a con artist, though he might not even realize it.
@@jakobpbengtsson3608 he’s a straight scammer
I’m a heavy machinery operator and I’m sure these guys would look down on my 7-5 job… but it is putting two girls through college and the things I help build will be around a lot longer than my meat suit.
A big problem I had with Sneako and his editor friend arguing is that they fail to separate what is theoretically and realistically possible. It is theoretically possible for people to potentially go through extreme mindset and/or personality changes to do what they do, but is it realistically possible? Most likely not. Most people will never win the lottery, that doesn't mean it is not theoretically possible, but it is realistically impossible.
I agree 100% with you you can talk the talk but when it comes to walking the walk it is completely different if sneako and his editor get screwed completely and fall i doubt they can climb back up too where they were right now it just looked like they were claiming that high ground saying "I'm better then you" and when they lose that ground i want them too come back too this moment and think on it
@@anthonyrodrigues8470 you mean if they fail not when. The editor is 19 stacking his money so if he failed it would take years from what it sounds like before he would be in a bad spot. And his parents would help float him until he found his next venture. They aren't going to fail and for the situation they are in, preaching to others in the same situation they are the better mentor then destiny
I’m theory sneaky and his ideas wouldn’t work lol. To believe once good things happen or you become successful, bad things or failures can’t and won’t happen or shouldn’t happen is straight idiotic
@@J.P_INC. when exactly did he say that bad things can't happen once good things happen?
@@DyingToLive1987 him saying that failure isn’t an option or a person not following a certain dream or path is somehow loosing or being weak some way is the same as saying failure or change of course is a bad thing or it shows weakness. TH-cam isn’t a life long viable thing seeing something is always replaced with something new. But an actual career can bring life long success
I'll say one thing for sneako, every time he opens his mouth I gain a lot of confidence in my own level of intelligence. Listening to sneako is like watching karen freakout videos, I feel much better about myself after watching these crazy ass people make absolute idiots out of themselves.
😂 you had me for a split second
facts
this is gold
this is too funny, thats a great way to think of it tbh. too bad he's "teaching" young people
This has actually been huge for me in the past few years. I never really knew just how fucking stupid you could be while still being really successful in life and it's given me a lot of confidence.
Sneako's the kinda guy to say you're a scientist after watching Khan Academy.
Sneako: Going to school is a waste of time, you can learn anything by watching TH-cam videos
Also Sneako: Buy my online course please
Remind me again where do most people go to learn the essential of life to be a thriving citizen like, cooking, taxes, local laws, economy, credit score, housing, money leveraging etc. It isnt school unless you want to specify in one of those fields but you need all of those to thrive as a citizen or cog in the system.
@@wuzomed you can learn all that stuff in a few weeks
@@josephk1342 exactly one week IN THE INTERNET rather than a $10k semester in uni.
@@wuzomed I'm going to THRIVE as a citizen by cooking meals and paying taxes 😎😎
@@mcddennisk word? try thriving without knowing either.
Would you rather live in a world filled with youtubers and editors or a world filled with engineers 🤔
There would be no youtubers without engineers lol
@@Ram-zm6og how?
Who built computers? Who developed software for TH-cam? If TH-cam servers crashed and engineers didn't repair them, what would happen to TH-camrs?
Engineers
@@fozzt bro you really felt the need to do yourself like that
Sneako is a narcissist. Ive known too many people like him. His projections, self aggrandizing and attention seeking behavior is unreal. The way he gets angry and defensive on a dime gives me trauma flashbacks. Narcissists are extremely charming and can really lure you in, but they are dangerously manipulative people.
This the one, I be saying it out loud but don’t comment it but he is a true narcissist just full of himself 😅
The red pill was built on it
Red pill is based on it
"Trauma flashbacks" please get off the internet.
@@clearmind95 lol. Flashbacks are flashbacks. Basically periodical flashes of memories or events in one's past. It's could be good or bad memories
I love that Sneako's brain is so completely rotted by the internet that he cannot divorce the word "toxic" from "toxic masculinity."
That’s not really it. I know how sneako thinks and it’s moreso about how the word toxic is used nowadays. It tends to be used by twitter women, male feminists and the like and he associates the word and the usage of it with them, understandably. Personally I agree with sneako on that, a man calling another man toxic is weird.
@@laxxdood Its so funny though how triggered he gets once the words toxic or feminist are used.
@@laxxdood Are you seriously gonna sit there and act like you've never played a video game online and had a toxic teammate before?
...Or were all those dudes in the Overwatch lobby actually women on twitter?
@@wisemage0 go outside
@@wisemage0 No, you missed the point. Badly. It's not about "toxic" people themselves. It's about who tends to use the word a lot in this day and age. Women on twitter.
Reading comprehension.
honestly sneakos editor is so much smarter and well articulated. i was pleasantly surprised by his ability to debate and see other people’s perspectives. really makes me question why he follows sneakos lead.
For real dawg. Sneako is a lunatic
He's friendly with Sneako. It's not that hard to understand. The editor might appeal to you, but he clearly lacks Sneako's charisma for the wider audience. Destiny himself said Sneako hooked him up.
As for Sneako himself, as much as I disagree with him, I like him enough. He actually believes the stuff he says so I don't think he's deliberately trying to scam people.
50 dollars for a class is not a "huge scam". This is ridiculous. I don't understand Destiny's audience sometimes. Maybe Muta should have weighed in. He understands the tech industry. We pay hundreds to thousands of dollars for 2-3 day classes.
So many people online jumping on Sneako, why not go bully kids for setting up lemonade stands FFS. There's so many other things to criticize him on like his JAQing over Kanye, the jew question, etc while being ignorant. This "scam" thing is such a nothing burger.
@@asw654 arguing with air rn
I dont care if someone is friendly or not if they're giving stupid and acting stupid they are at LEAST indistinguishable from someone who is stupid. With the disaster way he fumbles about his existence thinking "im right cuz its what I want to believe and not the matrix" with no mental checks there's absolutely no reliability to anything this guy says. He admits, himself, that his ideology of hustling will fail for most who subscribe to it, there's nothing here to legitimize; he will never change, he has no incentive to. This entire discussion was targetted at his audience, NOT Sneako, why bother fixate on him?
He's obviously the case study of a normal guy. When someone looks at something like the fan base of Andrew Tate, or Sneako, they imagine people vastly different from themselves, but ultimately a lot of normal people can be swept up in their crowd purely from the more self help ideas they perpetuate. You could see that he still enjoys Sneako's humor, and jokes, whilst ironically being polar opposites to him in terms of articulation. That's not to necessarily give props to Sneako, but to expand our basic Idea of how we view other fanbases that have seperate opinions.
One person's favorite TH-camr isn't going to dictate their entire life or personality. They may very well be changed, or follow a similar personality archetype of someone like lets say Andrew Tate, but when you have an audience in the millions, most normal people are going to watch for specific reasons, and tune out the more brain dead takes.
Plus overall, everyone has a baseline for how they act, and this guy in particular might've just been more soft spoken. Eloquent, and 'reasonable' per say. That's just the type of person he is, that exceeds what his own personal beliefs are.
You have to extend an incredible amount of goodwill towards Sneako to not think he is just scamming people lmao
He just ain’t intelligent.. he’s perceptive (to an extent) and ambitious (entitled), but his foundation is sand
Is it a scam or just a shitty product?
@@isafarooq1721 Sounds like a scam if its all just stream VODs that could be watched for free live
Hes learned from tate
He is just scamming people. I thought he is just this dumb kid but hes bad faith scammer.
I generally don't like Destiny, but he is right here. Someone has to flip the burgers and for every success story out there, there's a thousand corpses that died trying.
Ha, I don't think that was *quite his message but point taken. The real takeaway should be Sneako is, in general, a priveleged and grifty POS and Destiny's heart and mind are generally in the right place
@@ethancarey7476 I don't think sneako's heart is in the wrong place, cause in his mind, everyone can become great. the thing is, he's factually wrong.
@@othus123 anyone can be great.. but not everyone will be great. Sneako is right on with that message.
@@othus123 The issue with where sneako's heart is is how he views people who stay "plugged in". There's a lot of condescending shit, calling people failures for having regular jobs or regular educations. Doesn't seem like someone with their heart in the right place.
@@DyingToLive1987 but when his definition of being great is being the generic online influencer shit, he's not right
I'm one hour in and it is unbelievable to me, that no one has yet asked Sneako how I can become a certified Oncologist by watching TH-cam videos and shelling out $50 a month for the Creativity Kitᵀᴹ.
He'd tell you to become a youtuber and earn more money than an oncologist, probably.
I think he argues for earning money not for doing a specific job.
@@fatihcecen3635 Well this was a convo about whats better going to college or doing e-comerce shit etc to earn more money.
@@Kuroganemk2 he has points imho but I interpret it different. Learning editing, photoshop, web design, software, coding, digital marketing, excel online is much more smarter than %70 percent of the college imho.
@@fatihcecen3635 They both have a point but are arguing pass each other lol
This editor didnt realize that, the same way he “couldnt” get a degree or complete school there are also people who “cant” be online hustlers
Sneako's chat is full of followers who think they are leaders.
"but you won the lottery? how can you not tell all your fans to liquidize their assets and buy lottery tickets??"
You won't buy lottery tickets? Okay fall in line BOT
It sounds like you're saying that not everybody can win the lottery, why do you not want people to win the lottery?
@@HangingGarden606 no they're saying that you can apply yourself in a way that you WILL win. They're guaranteeing you will win the lottery.
@@alexjoshuaws I was riffing
Aba is definitely super level-headed in this conversation. I think he makes a good moderator.
most comedians have found out that life's a bit of a joke.
@@fergusdenoon1255 Real
Especially the part where sneak really - i feel on purpose - is just misrepresenting destiny while Destiny was afk.... It just was so disingenuous it was almost like lying.
@@Ruchikun sneako only exists as a disingenuous person
Aba's great at reading the room when he's not in a troll mood. Plus he's always in YT chat, so of course he's based
Sneako suffers from a bad case of survivorship bias. He cannot even fathom how many kids started the same time on YT & got nowhere. He only recently acknowledged that he is privileged to have a well off enough family & a supportive dad to start his YT career. He also does not get that not all of us can make millions on YT or online like he does. He does not even know what he does not do.
Yup!! Too bad sneako doesn't understand this. Those two words would've destroyed sneako. "survivorship bias"
one of my freinds has been doing youtube for years making content extremly simular to how sneako started and working his ass off and only ever got 600 subs. YT is luck, he is now going to college. sneako cannot fathom the sheer amount of people who started exactly like them but the dice roll of the yt algorithm didn't chose them
@@coocoo3336 plus, not everyone who has a TH-cam wants to pander to red pill ideology that is the latest trend to make money.
So by Sneako's logic: *Don't buy his course, you can learn everything he learned and get rich for free.*
True lol
You literally can. All the shit he says is already there for free, he's charging you for connections basically.
@@natediaz1863 then why not just say pay for networking? There are already plenty of establishments that do it. Why say creativity kit when it's actually not about that?
And also, why call all of college education as a scam and complacency when he's doing the cheaper less accurate version of the same thing?
I will agree, a lot of college degrees are a scam, like gender studies n shit, but that doesn't mean all of them are. You can't learn law, medical, engineering and many other faucets of education just with the internet. Even the ones you can just learn with the internet, not everyone can absorb it the same way. People want that community learning with peers and experienced people. Being around people with similar mindsets rather than seeing just texts on a chat screen.
Sneako goes and calls everyone a bot and complacent just cause they don't share his world views. He can't think beyond the point of people are genuinely built different, he does a bunch of interviews in an ny subway thinks the world is all the same. All while he sells digital networking and calls it by another name. He's the bot repeating the same complacent shit.
I'm glad sneak jumped in the discord. This conversation just further proof of what we all know to be true. The pandering to young men, the flashy video editing, the radical conspiracy conjecture all serves a single purpose,
To distract from the fact sneako is a shoes name
Bro I wasn’t expecting that 😂
Here’s a great example that proves sneako wrong, my brother is damn near a computer genius. He knows more about electronics than anyone I know and knows more about than the majority of people I see online even. He’s got bad aspergers and other health problems that limit his ability to be sociable, not to mention the fact that with where we live and poverty stricken my family is, he is not getting the chance to meet these people and even after the few chances he did, he was told how impressive his knowledge and capabilities were but he didn’t have 4 year degree so there was nothing they could do. Maybe if we lived in like Texas or California he might be able to find someone who could take a chance on him at like a start up or something but in Mississippi? Hell no. One time he did get offered a job as programmer for a indie game but the pay was not enough to justify uprooting our entire family to move to Illinois. The reason it would have to be our whole family is because we never able to afford to get him the help he needed with his mental problems that greatly interfere with his ability to function on his own. Sneako has so had privileges in life that he just pretends doesn’t exist and it’s so annoying.
when it comes to programming and work with computers if you know how to do the work no one cares if you have a degree; in many cases it's seen as beneficial seeing as there is no minimum salary they have to pay you given your completed schooling and you're able to get a lot of work that way. I think the problem is that though he may be talented with computers he just doesn't have the requisite experience for the job and no one wants to train a new employee for months to do a job when they can easily just get someone who has been to school or completed the necessary certifications and will be able to do it right away. people don't really need computer geniuses for server maintenance or website design, they just want someone who knows how to do it and that they don't have to pay too much. your brother should look into getting his certifications at a local community college and then he will easily be able to get himself a job which only look that you have the right qualifications and how much experience you have. he may have to start off at the bottom but if he's really good he'll easily make his way up over the years and build a portfolio from all the different places he's worked at as well as all the contract work he's done and then he'll be able to get hired at the better paying posts
@@interstellarlapisthecccp4946 too bad being a teacher relies Ian’s requires good social skills
The irony in Sneako calling college a scam but supporting Hustlers University and his own Creativity Kit...
@@natediaz1863 Imagine living in a country where you have to pay for good education.
@@BreakRaven we don't pay for a good education
Then what's the point of the student debt argument?
@@BreakRaven i live in a country where studying in university is free, so yeah i believe I'm lucky and even if it's paid in most of the countries, i believe it's worth it, and amazing place to find yourself and be responsible and learn and teach People and create communities there.
@@natediaz1863 We can talk about colleges being overpriced and predatory loan offices. But it is an absolute fact that the average college graduate's salary is way more than the average high school graduate. An overwhelming amount of CEO's of top companies all have multiple degrees with masters and PhDs on top of that. Our education system is no where near perfect but telling your young impressionable audience that its a scam is just wrong and possbly harmful. You can end up with 200k of debt in med or law school (which you have to attend college first before you go).. are those a scam? You can lead a happy and fulfilling life without college, but if your goal is to make a crap ton of money, there are very few choices that match going for any average person.
Elon Musk absolutely did not drop out, mans literally has 3 degrees LMAO
A chat fully of leaders, yet they all are following what this man says 👏 Well played
Only sneako views himself w this “leader” mentality… everyone else says you can’t leave the Mattix”… your always going to be a slave and you will always rely on something example the sun … Why do you think so many civilizations praised the sun ….
For the record, Miles Davis played the trumpet and he moved to New York to attend Julliard. He did eventually drop out but his autobiography did mention that although he could outplay even some of his instructors, he found value in school anyway. Having a formal education gave him an upper hand as an artist. And this is the entertainment industry we’re talking about.
Sneako has no idea how little he really knows about other subjects when he says “school is a scam”. Try learning to become a surgeon through TH-cam tutorials.
I’m surprised Destiny didn’t go to this well. He’s not a professional caliber musician, or a genius/prodigy like Davis, but Destiny’s fluency in music theory shines through in every music stream he does. Literally “uses” his education all the time, even as a drop out in an unrelated field.
Exactly
@@kevintheshane he didnt correct him because it didnt really matter to the conversation, the point sneako was making was there are successful people that didnt go to school. So even tho Miles Davis did go to school, Destiny knew what he was getting at.
And lets ignore the fact that Miles Davis also came from a privileged background who always had his family to fall back on.
Miles david was born in the 1920’s and died in the 1990’s. I dont think thats an accurate way to tell if college today is worth it
Another huge thing that Sneako fails to realize and would be absolutely 100% baffled by is that some people weigh the pros and cons of going to college versus "following their dreams" and realize they can just follow their dreams later after creating financial stability, which in and of itself is a form of maturity if you aren't confident in your ability to make a living off of your dream. For example, Sneako keeps bringing up that Destiny "gave up on his dream" to play the saxophone. But the financial stability Destiny has created in what he does now allows him full autonomy to play saxophone if he wants to (or to play the piano, as he says in this video).
One of my best friends plays electric guitar, played in a band in high school and loved it. He spent quite a bit of money on equipment and had aspirations of going into music in school, but ultimately decided to major in electrical engineering in college. He made that decision about a decade ago. Fast-forward to now - he has a government job making $250k a year, a nice house, a wife and kid, couple of dogs... and an in-house studio he's built where he can jam out and record whatever he wants.
Could he have tried to make it by going to art school or finding some people willing to form a band and take that risk? Sure! But he went the safe route WHILE talking with his then-girlfriend, now-wife about what he wanted to do in life, which is play music. She agreed that when the time comes, he could have a room in the house be a studio, and a decade later, that's what they did. And it wasn't like he wasn't playing guitar and enjoying music that entire decade, either. Sometimes we make the decision to delay our dreams, and that's perfectly okay if we have a plan in place.
That is one of the most profound comments I've ever read, in regards to deciding whether if you should follow school or dreams. I strongly agree that if you're a man, you should separate passion and career so that its a healthy balance. And you can even come back to your passion after being stabled from doing a job that you may not necessarily like. Thanks for sharing.
@@jirehbochung5983what do you mean bu profound?
@@meltedWax169 Profound means powerful. A word that is mostly used in a positive way.
Out of every one on this call I agree with Aba the most. Sneako is putting away to much faith in telling people not to go to traditional schooling. Destiny is putting to much faith in telling people to go to college. My personal opinion is to keep ALL options open and pick the path you want. Aba is hitting hard when he says not everything is for everyone 💯
Facts
Sneako is basically saying- you guys should all play the lottery because if you quit your job and play the lottery, you could actually win!! People actually win the lottery, you know. It might as well be you.
And Destiny is saying- don’t count on the lottery, get an education and work for a career.
im surprised nobody said you can do youtube on the side, and once it blows up, you can quit your shιτ
The funny thing to me is that of all the people Destiny talks with, Sneako produces almost the most predictable responses to any input of anyone. Yet he is one who constantly accused people of being “bots.”
Quickly noticed this a few weeks ago, he spouts shit I would say 5-6 years ago, word for word, when I thought I was “woke”. Kind of embarrassing considering we’re basically the same age
I love how almost everyone here is having a somewhat intelligent conversation and are relatively good listeners. Then there's sneako. Don't get me wrong, he listens, but then it all leaves his mind the moment he opens his mouth.
Imma be honest, if we can't have a single conversation with Sneako where he actually listens to a single statement, i'd rather we just go back to the lefty arc.
He's insufferable and clearly farming negativity. He has no plans on changing. Either life will whoop his ass and change him or he'll eternally be a knucklehead
All he can hear is what he’s aiming to hear. Psychopathy is interesting
This was extremely frustrating I’m glad I’m not the only one that felt this way. For someone who’s extremely critical of the things others do, he’s not very receptive to criticisms of himself. It’s difficult to listen to.
He’s trying to pull Sneako from his extremism. I think he sees a lot of himself in Sneako from Destiny’s early conservative years. You can see him in other debates really trying to play nice with him in order for Sneako to let his guard down.
Sneako is still more intelligent than the vast majority of lefties Destiny has argued with lol. They also seem to be worse people on a personal level most of the time despite the fact that I probably agree with them on more things politically than I do with people like Sneako and the Fresh N Fit guys
it's amazing to see Sneako on the Emergency Meeting after this and Andrew Tate say people should go to college lol
I was waiting for this comment 😂
“U dont need school””its safer not wearing a seatbelt” both quotes from Sneako
This sums him up perfectly.
It’s baffling 😂
Sneako called his dad an npc bot stuck in the matrix. Pretty messed up. He lived his life doing what he had to, stuff down his dreams for the responsibility to raise his family. He could have left like some musicians and artists do.
If you can fall back on your parents, it’s because they are the ones who got a degree, got a skill set or “plugged into the matrix”. But these guys want to “unplug” while depending on the matrix. 😂
Listening to sneako...a literal manchild...trying to lecture adults about career and future oriented mindsets is...its a thing. Thats for sure
"literal manchild" bro i agree with u but post nothing but videos about video games that get 0 views 😭😭
are you really one to talk
So by ‘I agree with you’ you meant ‘I’m a Sneako fan but I know my stance is indefensible so I’m gonna make a random ass comment about your yt channel to discredit you’
@@boywithanearring he’s following the creativity kit, Sneako says if he keeps at it he’ll leave the matrix
@@boywithanearring im the perfect one to talk. Because to me i have the perfect life. I bave two girlfriends in my home. I have a son and a daughter. I work enough to pay our bills and on the side i get play oldass games that i love for fun. Success and fulfillment doesnt mean what sneako seems to think for everyone. Id say having a side hobby thats for fun makes my life even more a blast. It forces me to actually finish games. If i wanted to turn this successful playing retro games wouldnt be the path. Id be playing whatever normie bait is popular and attracts an audience.
@@boywithanearring zoomer thinks only views matter omegalul no one can upload for themselves
76% of billionaires have a degree, 88% of millionaires do
Actually Sneako makes a pretty good point. He’s literally got no cool life experiences, nothing interesting to say except for takes he copies from other online personalities, and he still has a audience he can live off of. If he can do it it does make me feel like literally anyone can.
Super true infact anyone can. As long as they get a camera and have a good background. All they have to do is watch videos in the subject and then make videos regurgitating the same subject
He's a decent looking kid and does have a certain energy that not everyone can replicate. But yeh thats about it
This is the problem of possibility vs plausibility. Yes it’s possible anyone can, but the issue is that it isn’t plausible and reliable to take a paid course to do it.
Literally anyone can be successful following that business model. There's literally hundreds of thousands of other people on youtube/tiktok who did the same thing as sneako & didn't become successful. It's the same as every other profession (music, art, etc), or buying lottery tickets, it's low percentage & luck based
"Do it" for how long? 5 years? 10 years? The vast majority of even "successful" online careers peak within 5-7 years and then begin slow or rapid decline within 10-15 years. An engineer or surgeon increases their skill set and compensation every year, with huge milestones every decade. There is 0 comparison between the benefits of real world success vs online "success" for 99.99% of people.
Sneako is the definition of spoiled kid that didn't have to work for anything in life but got lucky.
you dont get it he is a professional scratch off lottery player he is up big just pay for his course and you can scratch tickets and be a millionaire 2
He lives off of speaking for tate and tristan and they pay him cause they deliver their message through him. Collateral DPS.
Giving every opportunity, living off of others and thinks he did it all himself lol
He didnt get lucky he understands the algorythm
Get lucky? Bro he's main channel was different than every creator who only stream ass lazy and critics everyone in internet.