Audio Recording of Brushy Bill Roberts - The Voice of Billy the Kid?
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- In this September 6, 1949 interview between Brushy Bill Roberts and Maury Davidson we hear the voice of what may be the notorious New Mexico outlaw Billy the Kid. Author Daniel A. Edwards discusses the source of this video as well as three things he finds interesting in the information provided by Brushy Bill Roberts. Special appearance by Mr. T of the ATeam. Video, including Digitally remastered audio interview Copyright 2022 by Daniel A. Edwards
Nice hearing his voice. Unfortunately, the interviewer wanted to hear his own voice more than he wanted to hear Brushy Bill's. But it was very interesting. He didn't have the extreme accent that I expected from listening to civil war veterans and other old time westerners from the late 1800"s. Thanks so much for sharing.
Billy the kid was actually frim newyork then moved west at age 15.
@@dwightherrington7793 proof?
Anyone who conducts any interview only wants to hear there own voice. The news and other social media will tell you that clearly. If you missed it, listen to this a few more times
@@martyguy8185 Proof? Books, the internet lol. He was born in NY. Sense nobody is alive today that lived back then, I don't know what kinda "proof" you need. You can say "proof" to any information to be a contrarian
@@madamefeast4824 yea proof. Unless you have it???? Let's move along to find it. Your comment is commendable....BUT.... still not helpful
I used to study Billy the Kid when I was a teen/young adult. I personally believe Brushy was Billy. Being able to hear that voice was a thrill! I live less than 100 miles from Hico and I’ve gotta say, Brushy sounds like so many of these old timers around here. Not just the accent, but the actual way he was talking.
I love this too
I was born in the old Hico hospital and spent at least 1 week in there every year for the 1st 10 years of my life due to recurring pneumonia, so most of the nurses in the hospital new me and treated me like one of their own and once I had begun recovering they would sometimes carry me around to elderly patient's rooms to try and cheer them up a little since my stays were usually around Christmas.
Sometimes when those elderly patients were able, they would come see me in my room when I wasn't feeling well enough to come visit them.
As a result, one of those elderly patients told me that "Billy the Kid" was his neighbor, but had been known locally as Brushy Bill, hence my almost lifelong fascination with the story of Brushy Bill Robert's.
I also witnessed my 1st and only Klan rally from one of those hospital room windows, which reminds me of a black hospital orderly named George that comforted me a lot before a hernia operation , when my mom explained to me what the Klucker parade was all about, I wanted to go kick some Klucker ass for George, but dragging an IV along ended up being the argument my mom finally used that shut me down.
No he wasn’t Billy
He's to good looking. Billy was ugly as all get out.
@@KruglugBadax except he absolutely was
I think that the fact that there wasn't a corpse photo taken (which was common practice for all lawmen) proves Billy got away. The men on the scene of the shooting that night all made the same statement, the wrong man was shot and killed.
These are facts bro! There's no death photo which when it comes to Outlaws when they were killed there was a 10 type photo taken of them. And there isn't one of Billy which also makes me think he got away
I just bought your book a few wks ago and have been investigating Billy/Brushy for over 20 yrs. I personally do believe Billy and Brushy were one and the same man. Brett Hall has spent yrs researching this, I follow him also. Thank you, I've always wanted to hear his voice. Good book by the way!
Appreciate it! Thank you!
Fantastic Dan, luv hearing his voice, that was a real treat.
Mr. T or Brushy Bill? 🙂
They play reruns of the A-Team, so I can hear Laurence’s voice at will. BTW, I was Mr.T for Halloween one year😉🎃
Wow,,that was very cool to listen to..time to buy your book dan..Thankyou👍👍🇦🇺
I live in New Mexico and have always been fascinated with the history of the west including anything BtK related. I got your book last night and will start reading it tonight. I am really leaning more and more to the credibility of Brushy BR's. Good stuff!
Thank you!
At this point in life we all need a hero. Live long in our minds Billy the Kid. Thanks for sharing this with us 🇺🇸.
On film Billy the Kid is a hero in real life he's not a hero
Awesome on films like Young Guns, irl was a cold blooded killer, thief, and thug
Thanks for sharing this
What a treasure. Thanks for sharing.
Brushy Bill is Billy... No fuzz bout it... Truly a legend...
4:28 is there audio starts.
Man, thank you!
I bought this audio book. It was absolutely amazing! It answers questions and raises some more. There are way too many factual coincidences in Brushys life for him to not be Billy. What i don't understand is why an old man would claim to be someone wanted for a death sentence. I think he claimed to be Billy because he was billy. He wanted the promised pardon before he died.It was hard to understand this clip but hearing the voice was awesome. A very well investigated and well done book. In my mind this is America's greatest mystery. And the truth is, it will never be solved.
Pat Garret shot him dead
The famous tintype of Billy is distorted and a woman who knew him said that the picture didn't actually look like him. If you look at the newer found photos of Billy the Kid, they really do look like those photos of Brushy Bill when he was a young man!
WoW!!! What a SUPER EVENING SURPRISE!!! AT LAST: A Recording of William V Morrison & THEE William Henry Roberts!!! ...Brushy certainly does sound like he's 88 years old✅.
THANK-U, SO VERY MUCH 4 THIS, DAN😆🥇🙏‼️
OMG!!! Brushy's Scars AND the Scarred Tapes Tell the Tale: The Dude simply KNEW IT! And He BROUGHT IT, Too!! ...and he Wore It, ALL his Life😮.
No One EVER would believe me either if I told them that being from Roswell, I absolutely 'crash-landed' in Nowhere NM at O-Dark-Thirty in the Morning, and actually SURVIVED the Airborne 'Landing.' The NM State Trooper certainly couldn't believe it😳👀😵💫.
...just because I can't recall his name doesn't mean that it didn't happen; it simply means that I simply recall more him shaking his head in complete disbelief on the side of the U.S. Highway where he found me AND in the ER at the small hospital in Tucumcari.
Ray-Ray Roz 'SURVIVED,' Peeples! The Roswell Kid lived 2 tell another tale! It's the Same Thang with Brushy: He SURVIVED 2 tell the happenstance of it, as best as he could explain it; ...his scars told the Tale✅🥇. Brushy was the Real Deal; NO ONE can make-up this stuff✅
I heard a story about a Mexican guy who knew the kid and supposedly when he was introduced to brushy bill and heard his voice he turned pale and was convinced this was Billy the Kid his friend the same eyes scars the way he walked
He was shot in the thigh and the bullet got lodged hence the walk
Starts at 4:35
Thanks!!!
The fact that when he was shot an killed by sir Pat Garret... But no pics taken... Even though we see pics of other famous outlaw in those era being killed.. How come no pics of Billy being dead....so now this is the answer to that... Simple!!!
Being Billy The Kid was fluent in Spanish, did anyone ever ask Brushy to speak Spanish? Or Gaelic?
He spoke to Severo Gallegos in Spanish and it is said he did speak Spanish fluently. His lawyer, William V. Morrison spoke spanish fluently and even lectured at Universities in Mexico in Spanish.
@@aliasbillythekid Thank you for this answer!
@@karenmilcarek8299 Thanks Karen!
Excellent! What a great story!
i have all the books Ive researched like crazy... this here is Billy the Kid! he answers the questions before questions were even asked with a little more info... he wanted a pardon, it meant everything to him He wanted to live in peace... but they killed him once again, wanting fame themselves, Im so mad
It sounds like he did hang out with Jesse James, he says clearly that he was an associate of his and knew him before he was famous and hung out with him for 7-8 years. So the whole opening bit is about how well he knew Jesse James.
Thanks for the video. Should have more likes.
Thank you!
Audio starts at 4:34
Doc Scurlock lived until 1929 in Eastland Texas 60 miles west of Hico where Brushy Bill lived. I would of thought someone might have asked Doc to verify if he was Billy the Kid or not.
Brushy didn't come out as the Kid until 1950 and by then Doc had passed away. Also, Brushy really didn't ever "come out" publicly. He went privately in front of the Governor and the Governor turned it into a media circus. The newspapers wanted an interview with Brushy after and he would not give one. He did not want publicity, he wanted his pardon.
@@aliasbillythekid Still if they rode together and supposedly Billy had worked for Doc and Charlie Bowdre in Arizona, where they made cheese. So living only 60 miles apart I would think they might have crossed paths once in a while. So I don’t think Robert’s was Billy, even though Hico has a Billy the kid Museum.
@@garybender432 Fair enough. Thank you for your comments!
@@garybender432 If they lived that close to each other, it is likely they both knew, and ran into each other. But of course Brushy was still hiding his identity in 1929. Even Jesse Evans, (going under a different name) lived in Florida, and knew where Billy lived, as well as others.
Brushy said that thru the years, he occasionally ran into his old acquaintances & amigos from Lincoln: Dave Rudabaugh in El Paso once, and George Coe on another occasion.
Really uncle Jesse James did try to hire cousin Billy the kid to be part of the James gang , but cousin Billy said he wanted to do ranching
I live is hico tx and my great grandma said Billy the kid is brushy bill oh and she said that on 9/6/2017 she died the day after
4:38 it starts
That was great! Thanks Dan!!
Only the Kid could give accounts of his life and past aka Bill Roberts.
Lol "got a picture with Mr T but never claimed to be apart of the a team" i laughed at that.
Haha. Glad you liked that. Did you stay all the way to the end post credits to see the man himself? "I'm humble Mr T, man!" Great man.
@@aliasbillythekid yes I did lol. Great video by the way.
@@BrotherMikey Thank you!
The theory that Pat Garret was friends with Billy and helped him escape is really interesting. The question ive always had though is about the famous picture of Billy the Kid and if thats really him? I still remember the first time i saw it in tombstone Arizona...it blew my mind. The image i always had of Billy The Kid was completely different from that photo and it was almost like a reality check to see it as a kid...
George Coe was a 33 degree Freemason. Check the Freemason connections to these events.
I just heard testimony about that photo, where his eyes look crooked and he has a lantern jaw. The photo was passed around throughout the years and had become faded and scratched, with some rust even accumulated. Apparently someone tried touching it up and did a terrible job at it. That’s why he looks so inbred. People that actually knew him had remarked about how that “touch up” did him dirty. I was glad to hear this, so I hope you can have your old mental image back. 😎🤠
@@PRIMETATTOOS really?? That's interesting I've never heard that theory. Love the Old West lore...that photo of him actually made him seem more real to me. What do you think about Billy Kid?
This person is correct. Look up a photo of the original tin type as found before it was touched up. It's not a clear picture whatsoever
The famous tintype IS Billy!
Garrett used it in his book for that reason!
❤just love AKA billy the kid, Henry 😅 what a cutie 🥰😊.
I see it like this. Billy took a chance coming out. Lets say the governor accepted who he was. It could have backfired with him being arrested. No one would take that chance unless they were Billy.
Idk if you've seen it, but there's a very recent photo found, that they believe is Billy. If you Google "Billy the Kid Silvercity photo" you'll see it.
It looks exactly like the man in the famous tintype, only not warped and you can tell its him; he really did have the handsome boyish face that people described!
I just found that photo and I believe it's him
@@Drugstorecowboy69 yeah it definitely does. It looks like the man in the tintype, but without the warping and he does have the boyish face everyone describes
That’s a great photo and I also believe that’s Billy the Kid. He has the same eyebrows and the pinky ring on just as he did in the tin type photo. If you watch the documentary they provide the historical connections that possibly prove it’s him and I believe it is him. I also came across this photo searching here on TH-cam. I truly believe it’s another great photo of the BTK. He has the same exact facial features especially the eyes, eyebrows, ears and buck teeth. It’s the only other photo I’ve seen supposedly of the Kid where his buck teeth are visible. Take a look here and see if you agree.
th-cam.com/video/DUn5JumSgPI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=GgTy255AEEEkaKLb
Was Brushy tall enough to be Billy? Billy was 5'9 and Brushy 5'8 with boots on. All arguments lead back to Pat Garrett, and who he shot that night. A Mexican cowboy?
I think we can estimate Billy's height by using the length of his Winchester 1873 as a ruler. He has a hat on so you can't be exact but its estimated Billy was "about" 5'8". Brushy was 5'8" exactly. I agree with you it all comes down to Pat Garrett. We believe he killed the Kid because "He said so" or we believe the evidence that he shot a Mexican cowboy, which is my choice.
Can’t they do facial recognition on the photos of brushy and the photo of billy the kid?
Yes! I'll be doing a video on this. its been done multiple times. Half the time they say its him, half the time they say its not. Different "experts" coming to different conclusions. It depends on how they do it.
Not anything reliable as Billy's face is destored from movement and it's a very crappy photo.
There are a couple recently found photos of billy (one you could find by typing "Billy the Kid Silvercity") but the tintype is very warped unfortunately
Another great video Dan and just loved hearing Brushy Bill/Billy the kid’s voice after all these years! :) . Someone commented before saying that Brushy has been proved time and time again not to be Billy the kid and that the serious Billy the kid experts easily dismiss him and the evidence against him is substantial! :/ let me just say this to those people………..you are entitled to your opinion but incorrect! As someone who as been researching Billy the kid for the last 26 years or so take it from me Mr Roberts was indeed Billy the kid and the evidence for him far far outweighs that Pat Garrett killed him! Finally a lot of these experts don’t fully understand historically context as Mr Edwards stated before and don’t always see things for how they really are!. Mr Dan Edwards In my opinion however is one who truly understands the facts and really knows his stuff as far as Brushy/Billy is concerned and wouldn’t state something so strongly unless the evidence fully supported it! :) . So again thank you Dan for always seeking and stating the facts and thanks again for sharing this awesome video clip! :). Do you think we will ever get to hear the audio recordings Morrison made of Brushy as I’d say that they would be an incredible listen! :) .
Most of the serious researchers know one fact about Brush being outed as Bill the kid was this meeting right here. Jessie was coming out, and he is the one who got the press on Brushys tail. Brushy was very loyal to Jessie. I have followed the Dalton trail and you realize Granbury Texas is the town J Frank Dalton passed away in was the next town over from HICO. The Billy the kid museum in Hico is cool but they have a solid copper department store cash register from like 1920s. It is from an old wolworth store that is cool and It still works too.
3:43 Just rewatching some Brushy vids, but I remember seeing a video where a newspaper showed Brushy, Frank and another man and had mixed up their names. Making it seem as if Brushy was the one claiming to be Jesse.
I'll have to search for it again to make sure though
Hard to know what the truth really is...One of the Regulators Grandson's just visited my store recently....and there was another mysterious funeral for possibly his grand-daughter about 30 years ago all here in New Mexico. Many people in New Mexico believe it is just an attempt by Texas to steal a valuable piece of local history. Anyway Chavez y Chavez told me his grandpa said Billy use to shoot a deer and share it with the locals, and he was very generous. Meanwhile, I also know the Granddaughter of Pat Garrett is writing a book that her Grandfather shot the real Kid, she said she had more evidence....I am not sure if she ever got the book finished in Las Vegas, NM.....I guess Bushy's DNA test was fairly close? 91% accurate? I heard the Governor may have even been convinced that Brushy was the Kid, but the loss of tourism would have been too great for Fort Sumner. Just my ramblings from someone that has lived around Billy the Kid Country for a long time.
Isn't there a way to use computer to take brushy bills photo and show how he would look in comparison to billy the kids photo ?
It has been done several times and the results vary depending on the program and the person. One expert says its "highly likely" they are the same and another will say "unlikely". One show I was on the guy aged the photo before comparison which right there discredits the analysis because value judgements are made during the aging process. AI is helpful but human judgement is still considered superior. I am working with police forensic facial recognition experts right now on this very thing. Bottom line is it isn't as clean as we would hope.
@@aliasbillythekid that's good to know .. Please give an update on that if there is any competent conclusion. Very interesting topic since young guns 2 came out.
@@ipman4715 Absolutely!
❤❤❤. Get amazes me how the American Spirit Love's the story of Billy the kid. Knows who he fought against. Knows there was propaganda about him. Knows so much more truth about Native Americans. Yet people like Brigham Young, and Joseph Smith formed a religion based on all of the most hateful self-produced propaganda. And my American history sickens me to think they damn near made a state out of a quarter of the nation at the same time. Billy the kid would have been known as a leftist liberal today. He was pretty woke when it came to corruption in the West.
Billy’s father rode with Jesse James in Quantrils raiders. So Billy knew Jesse James since he was a young boy
The “Interview with Cousin Ida”. Cousin Ida was Jesse James cousin. That Interview was very interesting and informative. And YES, Jesse James knew Billy’s father. And rode with him in The War Between the States. Cousin Ida called Her Cousin… Uncle Jesse out of Respect. She said that Uncle Jesse cried when “Brushy Bill” died. Of course, they didn’t believe Uncle Jesse was “Jesse James” either. But, Cousin Ida knew better. Being Old men… they were trying to get things right. It’s alright.. The LORD God knows The TRUTH. IT doesn’t matter anymore. Whether you died young or old, The Lord God is your Just Judge.
@@elizabethdann1997 I believe Jesse’s cousin’s name is Ola Everhart.
He was probably the youngest outlaw ever known
It would be interesting, to see if Brushy's account of what happened when Pat Garrett supposedly killed Billy the Kid could be verified. Namely, that Billy heard the shots, came out and was firing at Garrett and the deputies, but was himself struck by several bullets. Maybe that's one reason Garrett wanted to get out of town quickly after the killing (knowing they were in hostile territory). But you would think it would be mentioned somewhere?
I verify Pat did not kill the kid.
I'd say Pat Garrett would have lots to lose for killing the wrong man. George Coe a Freemason told him he had shot the wrong man. Billy had a lot to lose if he didn't skidaddle.
All the evidence, physical, oral, and living people that knew BTK, all leads me to believe that brushy bill, was billy the kid. The photo over lapping of young btk and old brushy bill is what really convinced me.
Had a stroke in the governor’s office? 👀
Go to the 4:30 mark to hear the voice
For what it’s worth DNA proved that the man they are talking about was not Jesse James
I've never personally taken the position that Dalton was Jesse James and Mr. Morrison had interviewed him and thought he was not credible but Dalton does come up a whole lot in my research. Recently there is a person that has been messaging me saying that the DNA test for Dalton was not done right, etc. I don't have an opinion at the moment. Lots of information to go through!
Glad you escaped the Legend to live a long life. May God pardon you because the Governor's of NM would not or did not. Maybe Prescott and Hico and Ft Sumner could work together to bring out the truth and wow the world with your DNA and the truth or not of your story that was hidden from us all. Perhaps some day J. Frank Dalton will be proven or not also. I heard you had become a Christian, Billy. God Bless your soul. God Rest your soul , as the sinners we all are. Peace one and all. Thank you sir, for the recording, post here on TH-cam. Honestly , I'm a Brushy Bill fan. Check out the tombstones of folks surrounding the Ft Sumner incidents . Bet Freemasons involved in all of it. Tourism and money is also the reasons it hasn't been solved. There's still money to be made. Legend and Historical Fact are two different things. We may find out the same with Elvis. LOL.
Tbh I have seen a bunch of videos where they compared his face and many scars that matched billy the kid and at those points it's almost impossible to match like that I mean even today it's improbable that he isn't billy
Yes, the lawyer that took him in front of the Governor had a solid case for a pardon. Harry S. Truman said it was the "most satisfactory arrangement with supporting evidence" he had ever seen. People today get it and know Garrett didn't kill the Kid.
Cut to 4:29 to avoid hearing this guy bump his gums 🤦🏽♂️
Lol. Sorry about that and thanks for the tip!
Billy the Kid and Jesse James did not know one another. Billy the Kid and his family moved to Santa Fe, New Mexico in 1863, and Billy the Kid spent most of the rest of his life in the southwest region, in the New Mexico and Arizona territory. James, on the other hand, was born and raised in Missouri. Jesse was also over 10 years older than Billy. There is no recorded evidence that Jesse James and Billy the Kid ever met each other.
There are at least two accounts in the historical record they met each other. I didnt put them there and dont really care if they met or not but lets be honest about the historical lrecord.
If you say so, wish I could find them.
I've been studying Btk since 1991.
I have so much saved on him it's unreal..
You literally quoted the very first thing that pops up on Google when asking that question.
But here ya go.....
On Sunday, July 26, 1879, Jesse James stayed at the Old Adobe Hotel in Hot Springs, near Las Vegas, New Mexico. Also there that day was none other than the Billy the Kid. Around dinner time, a friend of Billy, Dr. Henry F. Hoyt entered the dining room. There, he saw his friend Billy eating dinner with a man who was going by the name of Mr. Howard. Billy invited Hoyt to join them, and Hoyt did. On July 29, Jesse James left the hotel. After James left, Billy told Hoyt that Mr. Howard was Jesse James. Billy also said that James asked him to come back with him to Missouri to join James's new gang. Billy turned him down, saying he wasn't that interested in robbing banks, trains, and stage coaches. Many doubt that this event really happened, but there is much evidence that it did. First of all, there is Hoyt's word. There would be no point in him lying about it and everyone that knew him said he was always honest. Future New Mexico Governor Miguel Otero also said he saw the two outlaws eat together in the dining room. Second, there is proof that Jesse was at least staying at the Old Adobe Hotel from July 26 through July 29, as it was announced in the newspaper. Third, Jesse's most used alias was Mr. Thomas Howard. Fourth, at this time, Jesse was prospecting many different places for his family to move to, and New Mexico as one of the places he prospected. Fifth, the Old Adobe Hotel was owned and operated by W. Scott Moore, who was born and raised in Kearney, Missouri and was a known boyhood friend of Jesse, so Jesse might have also been there visiting his friend Moore.
ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS 5 MINS MORE OF TRUE DUE DILIGENCE TO FIND IT.
I love old West stuff always have, bloody Ed Watson was my great grandfather,He killed Bella star Jesse James friend and Here in Florida he was a serial killer
❣️I think it was Billy the kid ❣️
Welcome to the team
Wasn’t billy the kid, the kid was killed when he was 21 at fort sumner in 1881. Couldn’t be William h. Bonney, Henry McCarty and Henry Antrim.
That is the controversy. In 1950, an old man went to the Governor of New Mexico and sought a pardon for crimes committed as Billy the Kid. He said Pat Garrett shot the wrong man.
The thing I don’t understand is why was there never a death photo taken??? Don’t u think they would have taken a picture of billy before they buried him. I mean he was one of the most famous outlaws of all time. And there’s no photo of his body.
There are some reasonable explanations for why a photo MAY not have been taken, mostly around the availability of photographers and the time it would take to get to Sumner. However, the first newspaper article says the Kid was disguised as a Mexican with a beard and that he had STAINED his skin brown. In other words the body looked like a dead Mexican with a beard. I believe because it WAS a dead Mexican with a beard and not the Kid. So, I understand why they wouldn't have taken a photo because it would show what the newspaper said. Also, Garrett was denied his reward and arrest warrants were issued twice after he "got the Kid" so what does that tell us?
In my opinion I think he is billy the kid because I heard someone close to both pat Garrett and Billy said that when pat shot the man he thought was Billy after seeing the corpse said I shot the wrong one and told one of Billy's friends to tell billy to disappear and never return and so pat decided to instead claim that he did indeed shoot billy the kid that night and that Billy was dead and to further that pat and billy were actually friends before and pat was said to not really want to kill billy but was forced to hunt him and when an opportunity came to say he's dead he took it to spare his friend and the person who said all this was actually unbiased and had nothing to lose or gain
I listened to William Tunstill interview Ola Everhard who is a relative of Jesse James and she makes the same claims as told here. As Arte Johnson would say "very interesting". She said a guy named Bigelow was killed by Bob Ford not Jesse and she has a letter written to her by Ford's niece claiming that the Ford brothers would never have shot Jesse, they were first cousins and that Bigelow belonged to the Slade gang and was disliked by Jesse because every time Bigelow pulled a robbery he used Jesse's name. She said the alias that was used by Jesse, James Frank Dalton was chosen by Jesse saying he used his sir name as his first, his brothers first name and Dalton was his mother's maiden name. She went on to say at one time Jesse was wounded in the shoulder and sought help from someone who he had fought in the Civil War with and both had rode for Quantrill's Raiders his name was James Roberts, BTK's father and that's how Jesse and Billy met and became friends. At the time Jesse was about 12-15yrs older than Billy and Billy was only 7 at that time. Ola claims she has letters of evidence from family members about a lot of what she claims
Anybody know if there are actually recordings of Wyatt Earp? I mean he did die in 23, so there might be something.
Earp died in 1929.
Very interesting. I definitely do think it's possible that Brushy Bill was Billy the Kid. Seems to have way more merit then others. I heard that his girlfriend at the time of his supposed death in 1881, may have been pregnant with his child. I guess some said she was pregnant, others said she wasn't. Anybody ever read Bill O-Reilly's Legends and Lies: The Real West? This is where it was said. Also, Bill O'Reilly does suggest though that there is more evident to support he was Billy the Kid, then wasn't. I wonder why Courts refuse to exhume the two gravesites, to compare the DNA? What could it hurt?
this is so silly. this has been debunked by everyone. they've used extremely accurate facial recognition software it comes back negative.
Not true at all. Exactly the opposite.
If I remember correctly there was a lady up in years claimed to be blood kin to jessie James and knew Billy the kid she said both of these western icons lived into the early 1900s Billy died in 1949 jessie died in the year 1950
Yes, Ola Everhart. Bud Hardcastle's book has her unpublished manuscript in it.
So did Brushy have blue eyes? I thought he didn’t yet Billy did?
He did. Severo Gallegos (young man playing marbles outside the Lincoln County Courthouse and who got the horse Billy escaped on) signed a sworn affidavit on this.
Brushy was billy FACT
Ive listened to the recording several times, and I am no expert but to me it sounds more like that the reporter was more confused or didn't know his history. Seems like the reporter mixed up Billy the kid and Jesse James then Brushy Bill's voice had a grown a little irritated.. It wouldn't surprise me if the reporter had no clue about the period or significance of his interview..
Thoughts??
@@melissajames23 Certainly wish he would have asked more questions. "Where was your mother's house?" "How did Jesse get wounded?" Etc. Good point
@@aliasbillythekid yeah that would have helped and maybe given some direction... That's kinda how I really gotta think the reporter was just doing an interview without researching who he was reporting on.. Lol No different than the reporters and media nowadays..
@@aliasbillythekid correct me if I'm wrong but dosen't Bill Roberts voice sound irritated trying to correct the reporter? He seems pretty coherent but can't seem to get his words out without getting interrupted..
Video starts at about 4.30
4:30 if you put it with a colon it will make a link
4:27 to skip
4:50 Did Brushy say he was 7 when Zeralda lost her arm (in 1875)
This actually lines up with the birthdate Brushy's wife put on his tombstone in 1868.
I understood him to say that Dalton came to his mother's house and that Dalton's arm was almost shot off. Its hard to hear what he says but he could say he was about 7 years old.
Chinese Whisper comes to mind that people will always try and add little bits to history.
They just don't want Brushy's claim to be true.
Brushy wasn't old enough to be Billy. At first i thought they were trying to discredit him for revenue reasons but the timeline doesn't add up. I agree its very possible Garrett didn't kill him but im not convinced Brushy was him.
His claim was that he assumed Oliver Roberts' identity after his death so if thats true then Oliver's birthdate would have no bearing on him.
Three little letters : DNA , dig up brushy, billy at fort Sumner, and Billy's mother's grave and you have the answer.
I agree if it was done by a reputable organization, like the University of New Mexico or similar. However, beware these charlatans with their publicity stunts. They have proven they have no ethics and they don't have chain of custody, etc. One guy was ordered by the court to return DNA and he kept it and no one called him on it. Not really credible to have DNA that's been sitting in someone's house for twenty years that can't be accounted for correctly.
Only way to of settled it back in and narrow down whether he was or no Billy. Ask him a question in Spanish
Be nice if the actual recording g would be heard vs the you tuber
I think brushy was the kid.
When is the photo coming? The one we pay 5.00 to see?
You wont have to pay to see it
@@aliasbillythekid so exciting
Jesus is the way, the truth, the life. No one comes to the father but through him.
You forgot the John 14:6!
Loves us all
Billy…is it you?
im still on the fence, cant say he wasnt billy and cant say he was,
I seen a video that said Brushy Bill was born in 1878. Three years before Billy the Kid was killed. The maths don’t work. Brushy is a fake and loved the attention he was getting.
His cousin was born 1879. After his cousin died he took his identity. Pretending to be someone else doesnt change his actual birthdate.
Brushy Bill’s ears are shaped differently than the famous Billy the Kid’s ears so I think Brushy Bill was an imposter.
Because of the 2 dimensional image, angles, etc. the ears are misleading. NYPD facial recognition says its the same person.
Maybe to prove an sove everything just big up supposed Billy and if he's in there do a DNA just saying
That would be great but the current push for DNA is a hoax. The people pushing it want a TV show. There is no DNA for Billy to compare to, unfortunately.
I understand there's no DNA for Billy but if it was Mexican DNA then they can prove it was the wrong person.
4:32 Jesus Christ get to it man.
Brushy sounds very boyish still for being 89 or 90 yrs old, kinda makes you think billy the kid would sound the same
Dude is long winded just play the recording. damn!!!!
lol...guilty
J Frank Dalton association will always hurt his credibility..
I deal with that in my book. Yes, its interesting. Still studying that. Brushy never came off claiming Dalton as James even in private correspondence.
I got an autographed copy of your book from the museum in hico about 5 years ago. I need to sit down and read it.
@@Jameslfgsmith I hope you like it!
@@aliasbillythekid I’m sure I will. I will report back . I’m 90/10 in favor of Brushy. I just wish those Morrison tapes were available to listen to his story. The strong piece for me outside the pictures, is what happened to him post meeting the governor. A liar wouldn’t have a heart attack and die unless he truly experienced this. I have 20 acres in Salazar Canyon about 10 miles off the main road outside of Lincoln going to Capitan. It’s an ugly place nobody should even waste their time coming.
@@aliasbillythekid I'm curious to know if anything has changed from this comment to your comment to Seeker of the Truth above (posted a month after this one). You wrote: "What is interesting to me is that in private correspondence with Morrison Brushy always stayed consistent that Dalton was Jesse James. Interesting.", yet here you say he "never came off claiming Dalton was James even in private correspondence." Did you find where he did?
Err body got a piece of BeeLee that thar Keeid.
Has DNA technology been utilized during any of the research?
No. There is no DNA on Billy the Kid. There are scammers in this area, however, that use click bait to get views
Billy the kid was shot to death by pat Garrett in 1881
Well, that's what Pat Garrett said at least. A LOT of other people said different.
Patt Garrett. Gave Billy Bush. . Because of what Mr Gerett. Seen. Bill and him knew what was going on. It was an interest for Patt. Both met years later. Pat had a job. So he did it the way people wanted.
Billy the kids. Seem smart. Along with Patt Garitt. Those are the bikers at the time. In and out of the law. Did what was right and wrong.
One thing about all of this that doesn't make much sense is the fact that after all that time he was still trying to get a pardon!? I don't think this guy was Billy the kid. His focusing on that stupid pardon seemed to me like he did it to try to make his case more legitimate for being Billy the kid. See see look, I'm Billy the kid because I still want my pardon. It's dumb!! After all that time, no one knew who he was anyway, so what difference did it make for home to pardoned. No one was after him, he wasn't being chased. He had obviously lived out the rest of his days in peace, so why focus on a pardon after all that time. It's just dumb, only a dumb person would keep up with trying to do that. No one cared at that point years later. It doesn't add up that he would still be focused on some pardon. No one knew who he was, so who cares.
He was claiming a death sentence. Wanting to set the record straight before he died is very understandable. Hence "the deathbed confession".
I wish i could believe Roberts was the Kid, but as a painter, i cannot get past their faces being so vastly different. The profiles are at massive odds. Brushy has a square jaw which juts and Billy had a lower, more pointed jaw that angled more towards the throat. The earlobe bottoms got smaller with age - that simply doesnt happen. And on top of everything else, the eyes of Brushy Bill are more deep set. I could be wrong, but I cannot see them as the same man from my experience as a portrait painter.
Thanks for your comment. I'll be doing a video on that hopefully soon.
I don’t believe they are the same person but the picture of billy that we all look at is a distorted tin picture that has been ruined by age and other factors. We don’t really know what billy really looked like.
@@kevinmyers440 Do you mind sharing the source of that information Kevin? Thank you
Come on….
Rode with Teddy Roosevelt.
Was a Marshall twice.
Fought in two wars.
Was in Wild Bills west show.
Come on guys.
Brushy, he was an old man who was wanting attention. If you were really Billy the kid, you would’ve laid low the rest of your life. But according to him, he did everything short of running for president.
If you look into the life of the people that lived during this period you will find that these activities are not that extraordinary. Also, if you look into the evidence supporting Brushy Bill Roberts you will find that attention was the last thing he wanted. Thanks for the comment.
I wonder how Robberts got the nickname: "Brushy"?
i think he said they gave it to him in the Dakotas because he would gp into the brush after cattle.
@@aliasbillythekid - I read Billy The Kid Beyond The Grave, and I don't remember him saying that.
@@thecowboy9698 Its in Alias Billy the Kid. Here is the quote ""Then Indian Jim and I went to work for Tom Waggoner, at Decatur, breaking horses. Late in the winter we left for the Black Hills of Dakota. We joined the scouts, guarding the stage lines on the Idaho trail. We stayed with the scouts for about three or four years. During this time I earned the name of Brushy Bill from riding in the brushy hills of the Dakotas.”"
Billy the kid had a portion of his finger shot off...brushy bill did not...end of story
I believe you are thinking of Jesse James. Billy the Kid did not have a portion of his finger shot off.
Jesse James?? I highly doubt JJ and BKid ever even heard of each other in life
There are a couple of instances in the historical record that support that they met.
funny if this was at an event with someone claiming to be Jesse James , Jesse would have been like 101-102 yrs old he was born 1847
That is how old J Frank Dalton claimed to be.
Was Brushy fluent in Spanish?
Yes he was
@@aliasbillythekid cool thanks
I know for a fact Pat never killed Billy the Kid and that Young guns II, the story of brushy Bill, in 1987 matched the story my cousin told me in 1980 when he was 100 yrs old and Percival Hagerman used to play euchre with Pat and JJ Hagerman because Pat disliked poker and everyone played it down there. Percy said Billy was 20 yrs older than him which would make him 120+ when he told me but kept his secret the whole time, figuring Billy was dead, he could finally tell the story as he was protecting Billy the whole time as Pat passed in 1908 (JJ Hagerman passed in 1909) Pat told the truth because he trusted the Hagerman's and never trusted his own family with the truth. He was right.
I was told as close to the horse's mouth as possible, that Pat and Bill were friends and Pat saying, why would I kill him?
Percy was even an Olympian at the World's Fair in 1904 in Atlanta.
I'd love to hear more if you could contact me. Thanks for posting!
@@aliasbillythekid Not much more to say, basically after a card game percy asked Pat if he shot billy the Kid and Pat said, you would have to get me good and drunk before i ever spilled the beans, so after Percy finished the Olympics, he bought a ton of booze and went to New Mexico and got Pat, good and drunk, and he began by saying I do not even trust my own family with this information, and it has to be kept secret to protect Billy but trusted the Hagermans to keep it a secret and they did until 1987 with just myself so still a public secret until I starting posting about it around 2010 - the story about the regulators being deputized and such and to beat the corruption in Law became the Lawman to take down "The Circle" of corruption. But they got Hagerman in the end anyway from far away with the Sherman Silver Purchase act to stop JJ and Pat from turning the desert green for new immigrants because Texas oil barrens saw the oil pointed towards New Mexico and they wanted that desert and for themselves on the cheap and green pastures meant much higher costs, if you look at New Mexico oil wells today, you can see the oil reserve under Hagerman's old lands.
Here is another story, JJ Hagerman bought John Chisum's Jinglebob Ranch turned it in to an apple orchard, tore down his house and built a new one but then said the new house was haunted by the Ghost of Chisum and then moved to Hagerman after building the town with all needs met, then brought in the people after building the train rails. JJ Hagerman was New Mexico, not John Chisum! Hagerman also donated Roswell to the Military Institute as a tax write off. It was Pat's irrigation project that brought the 2 together and JJ had TB like Doc Holliday and Pat knew the air was better down there for that and JJ used to go to Paris for relief and after Pat was turned down for funding from the big whigs in the East. they mentioned JJ to Pat and Pat petitioned JJ for money and was not interested but Pat saying at the very least come down for a visit for your health and once JJ did, never looked back. Watch Young Guns II, I have several times now, it's the real deal.