I'm getting this cam here pretty soon to replace my SE Torque cam. I got the SE cam for 68$ so no big deal replacing it. I'm excited since my bike already does zero to 60 below 4 seconds. NGL... skipping over the tappet cuff removal is a mistep. Not to be rude or anything, but so many people break those bolts, myself included, and going over the safe removal of them is a really smart idea. I like FuelMoto's instruction on how to remove them. Remove everything around them, then heat up the bottom of the area for 5 minutes with a heat gun, then remove them slowly. OR the better time saving idea if you're doing just a stage 2 or 3... dont even remove them at all. With magnetic lifterholders you can just keep the tappet blocks and all that on the bike. And if you want new lifters, you can let the old lifters drop out and slide new ones in from underneath. If I had known I didnt need to remove the tappet cuffs... I would never have done it.
Thanks for the comment. I have done a ton of cam replacements on m8 motors and have never had a problem removing the tappet cuffs. That’s good to know it can be a problem. I also feel like it is important to remove the lifters during a cam swap. So the lifters and bores can be inspected. Thanks for the comment
I am about to do this, and I am not removing mine. I'll pull the lifters with magnets or with the spring from a binder clip. Lots of ways to do that. I do want them out to inspect before dragging the cam across them.
Great job brother. I'm doing this right now on a 2019 street glide. Get a small mason jar and drill a hole in the top and put in a tire valve. Use your brake bleeder to apply a vac to the bottle to bleed the lifters. Works a treat.
Wow, one of the best and easiest to understand videos on an m8 cam change. You wouldn't mind moving into my garage would you? My LRS wants a skilled mechanic with extreme knowledge.
Is this a full krome werks exhaust ? or different header? I am getting ready to do this cam in my 2020 -107 . Just trying to decide on exhaust . I really love the look of the krome werks .How does it perform?
I have a 2020 road glide with the 107 and was thinking about doing this cam also. Did you already do it and if so what were the end results? What'd you get for numbers?
This xe cam is supposed to have a lovely spread of power with no dips anywhere.Whoch is what i would want.I'll never do a 475 again.Loved the sound but soft at the bottom and taking off doesnt feel great.
Excellent job Question. When you align the cam and pinion gear are you holding your straightedge flat on the pinion sprocket and looking for a gap on cam sprocket ,or are you laying straightedge flat on both sprockets then measuring for gap? When i lay straightedge flat on pinion sprocket i have .035,but if i lay straightedge flat on both i get .009.Thats from the factory with a .110 spacer.Its like the two sprocket are not exactly flat with each other.i have .0045 runout.And if i spin the pinion sprocket 180* i always get a different reading.Hope all that makes sense
I lay the straight edge on the gear that is the tallest and measure the gap on the other gear. Laying the straight edge on both gears will not give you the correct reading. I would try a .140 or a .150 shim. And re measure.
I have never done this before and im wondering about your timing explanation. As ling as you line up the timing marks, its timed? If it makes a full revolution the marks wont line up, am i correct in saying that? I cammed my mustang and its something like 80 revolutions for the timing marks to line back up. Im guessing the sprockets have a keyway for the cam and the crank. Sorry for this question but i like to be very thorough before i start a project.
Currently waiting for everything to come in the mail so I disassembled the bike today. I’m extremely extremely confused. My push rod covers only have a spring inside. It’s a pretty much brand new 2022 road glide everything. I keep seeing a washer and an O-ring in the pushrod covers so Harley missed both of those from the factory and all four pushrod?
@@empcycleworks thank you so much. I’m just confused. The springs are pretty rusty. I’m sure they could clean up, but I was surprised to see rust on them.
On model year 20 and newer (verify the year please) the oil pump is an improved design. If your runout is within spec stock is good to go. It's money better spent somewhere else.
@empcycleworks I know, but it will eat the oil pump eventually. Went through it with my 2012 ultra limited 103. I got 60k on it, and the crank shifted. At that point, I rebuilt the bike in 2022. Now it's amazing(20k later). I have a 24 Road King, so we will see how that goes. Love my Harleys . Like any toys they are not cheap to play with.
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Love the video, never get tired of watching this process, I like the voice over editing. Bike sounds very good. Thank you.
Thank you for the comment. It’s easier for me to edit doing it this way. Plus my neighbors are very noisy lately
I'm getting this cam here pretty soon to replace my SE Torque cam. I got the SE cam for 68$ so no big deal replacing it.
I'm excited since my bike already does zero to 60 below 4 seconds.
NGL... skipping over the tappet cuff removal is a mistep. Not to be rude or anything, but so many people break those bolts, myself included, and going over the safe removal of them is a really smart idea.
I like FuelMoto's instruction on how to remove them. Remove everything around them, then heat up the bottom of the area for 5 minutes with a heat gun, then remove them slowly.
OR the better time saving idea if you're doing just a stage 2 or 3... dont even remove them at all.
With magnetic lifterholders you can just keep the tappet blocks and all that on the bike. And if you want new lifters, you can let the old lifters drop out and slide new ones in from underneath.
If I had known I didnt need to remove the tappet cuffs... I would never have done it.
Thanks for the comment. I have done a ton of cam replacements on m8 motors and have never had a problem removing the tappet cuffs. That’s good to know it can be a problem.
I also feel like it is important to remove the lifters during a cam swap. So the lifters and bores can be inspected.
Thanks for the comment
I am about to do this, and I am not removing mine. I'll pull the lifters with magnets or with the spring from a binder clip. Lots of ways to do that. I do want them out to inspect before dragging the cam across them.
Replacing the tappet cuffs is not worth it. No one has seen a failure of these in 6 years.
Great job brother. I'm doing this right now on a 2019 street glide. Get a small mason jar and drill a hole in the top and put in a tire valve. Use your brake bleeder to apply a vac to the bottle to bleed the lifters. Works a treat.
That’s a great idea.
Excellent video. You are very detailed and easy follow. Thank for sharing. My
Bike is in the shop getting the woods and and big bore kit installed.
We have sound! Always found it easy to just pop off cam cover and use timing marks for TDC before cutting push rods.,
Thanks for the warning. I never checked the video after I rendered it the first time.
Man definitely a video worthy of watching!!!!! Great depth and seriously grateful!!
I appreciate that!
nice im in the middle of deciding which i what to use
Wow, one of the best and easiest to understand videos on an m8 cam change. You wouldn't mind moving into my garage would you? My LRS wants a skilled mechanic with extreme knowledge.
Thank you for the comment
@@empcycleworks No really, I have a nice heated shed in the backyard. LOL. New sub
Great video with great advices. Thank you
Glad it was helpful!
thank you. very informative. clear and concise.
Glad it was helpful!
try installing bearings, and any parts with STP oil treatment. It coats and impregnated the metal with a protective coating. Just a suggestion.
Thanks for the suggestion. I’ll try that
Is this a full krome werks exhaust ?
or different header? I am getting ready to do this cam in my 2020 -107 . Just trying to decide on exhaust . I really love the look of the krome werks .How does it perform?
I have a 2020 road glide with the 107 and was thinking about doing this cam also. Did you already do it and if so what were the end results? What'd you get for numbers?
@@jeffplante2254 no I haven’t done it yet
Thanks for this detailed video.
You are welcome!
This xe cam is supposed to have a lovely spread of power with no dips anywhere.Whoch is what i would want.I'll never do a 475 again.Loved the sound but soft at the bottom and taking off doesnt feel great.
Great video and well explained on how to do a cam install.
After installing a new cam is it best to ride the bike some before getting it tuned? Thx
No. You want to get it tuned right away. Thanks for the comment
Excellent job
Question. When you align the cam and pinion gear are you holding your straightedge flat on the pinion sprocket and looking for a gap on cam sprocket ,or are you laying straightedge flat on both sprockets then measuring for gap?
When i lay straightedge flat on pinion sprocket i have .035,but if i lay straightedge flat on both i get .009.Thats from the factory with a .110 spacer.Its like the two sprocket are not exactly flat with each other.i have .0045 runout.And if i spin the pinion sprocket 180* i always get a different reading.Hope all that makes sense
I lay the straight edge on the gear that is the tallest and measure the gap on the other gear. Laying the straight edge on both gears will not give you the correct reading.
I would try a .140 or a .150 shim. And re measure.
Why is the crank runout no good for an aftermarket oil pump but fine for a stock pump?
The spec from Harley is like 0.012”. After market oil pumps have tighter tolerances than Harley.
Do you not let the lifters bleed before installing pushrods in the front cylinder?
Yes, brand new lifters usually do not take very long to bleed down.
Excellent! Thank You!
You are welcome!
after I install this cam at my home can I drive the bike to my dyno shop I have a 2022 FLHXS , Thanks for the video..
Great video. Do you recommend changing the cam plate or oil pump on a 22 RG ST or is stock fine with this cam?
The stock cam plate and oil pump are fine on a 22. Upgrading would be optional and dependent on your pinion runout
Running like a top😉
Can you link the tools you're using? Particularly the oil can you pump the lifters with?
Hello, Paulo from Brasil
Good job
Thank you
If the bike is stock what's in the place of the cam shaft?
Planing on changing mine soon what happens if not in tolerance
You will need crank service
I have never done this before and im wondering about your timing explanation. As ling as you line up the timing marks, its timed? If it makes a full revolution the marks wont line up, am i correct in saying that? I cammed my mustang and its something like 80 revolutions for the timing marks to line back up. Im guessing the sprockets have a keyway for the cam and the crank. Sorry for this question but i like to be very thorough before i start a project.
These are super easy to time. Just line up the marks. Every 2 rotations of the crank will line the marks up again. This is how you verify timing.
@empcycleworks thanks so much for your reply. Is there tuning required after the install?
Your video gives me confidence I can install a cam.
Currently waiting for everything to come in the mail so I disassembled the bike today. I’m extremely extremely confused. My push rod covers only have a spring inside. It’s a pretty much brand new 2022 road glide everything. I keep seeing a washer and an O-ring in the pushrod covers so Harley missed both of those from the factory and all four pushrod?
You have the newer style pushrod tubes. The o ring in inside the lower pushrod tube
@@empcycleworks thank you so much. I’m just confused. The springs are pretty rusty. I’m sure they could clean up, but I was surprised to see rust on them.
I got the fuel motor pushrod they use the stock covers. Well I need to purchase washers?
Why not use an S&S Cam Plate and Oil pump?
On model year 20 and newer (verify the year please) the oil pump is an improved design. If your runout is within spec stock is good to go. It's money better spent somewhere else.
What kind of torque numbers are you getting from the woods 22 xe cam🤔
I am getting 129 torque and 116 HP
3hr job?
Usually it’s 5 hrs
What’s the average runout value have you seen on M8 engine?
Probably 0.003 to 0.005
Is your shop still open? Facebook page has you permanently closed. I want you to build my 107. Im out of Okeechobee.
Yea I closed my shop. You can find me at 41 performance in Punta Gorda. (941) 916-9110
Glad thats not my m8, I would be furious with that kind of runout.
Unfortunately it’s within Harley spec
@empcycleworks I know, but it will eat the oil pump eventually. Went through it with my 2012 ultra limited 103. I got 60k on it, and the crank shifted. At that point, I rebuilt the bike in 2022. Now it's amazing(20k later). I have a 24 Road King, so we will see how that goes. Love my Harleys . Like any toys they are not cheap to play with.
Wood not Woods
Thanks for the correction