Personally I would go with the S&S because it makes torque right where I can use it. I don't drag race and my engine would rarely experience wide open throttle. Seems like cruising on the highway with this cam the roll-on power would be right at your fingertips.
I agree about the “never full throttle”… been there done that, BUT I found out after trying one of my buddies M8 Streetglides that the “stock power band” until approx. 2000 rpms was sufficient for daily city- cruising and stop’n go traffic. My buddy had a Zippers 468 and I was really impressed when the meanest torque started around the 2000 rpm mark,… the heavy bike just took off with a true V-thunder out the pipe…I knew I had to have that 468 cam installed in my bike… and so I did and haven’t regretted since 👍🏻
for me I couldnt imagine owning a harley without the deep harley chop sound, I put a stage 2 in my 2021 rg 114 motor, screaming eagle cam, vance n hines power dual header pipe, n Reinhart slips, putting out about 117 torque at 3500 rpm and just 103 horsepower, but my Gosh this is the best n loudest harley as I have ever heard n has plenty of power for me compared to my last 103 n it ran strong too, my build now was to get a bit more power, but wake up that 114 get it breathing great n sounding the best I could without getting ride of the brand new bikes warranty, I'm going to ride the heck out of it for the next 2 yrs n then decide if I want a different cam , but most likely its staying this way, Its got all i need for how i ride n more n that sound note is perfect for me, what is amazing I see guys all the time on here putting a stage 2 after market cam and producing better dyno numbers that a 131 puts out at a much cheaper price, i'm really surprised so many guys pay for a 131 when they really just need a cam
Anytime I play that song, my Daughter always refers to it as “the motorcycle song” That’s the sound of a good cam and timing on a v-twin. Somewhere between “Hot For Teacher” and “Matter of Time”
Thanks for the video, great information. I haven't experienced the other cams but I know that the Redshift 468 "Zipper's Performance Cam took my Dads 107 to 107 Horse power and 117 foot pounds of tourqe. He's very pleased with it and it sounds good. Again thanks for the information I enjoy these types of videos.
My friends Street Glide in the clip has the Zippers 468, it made a huge difference! That bike with just the 468 cam, full Rinehart Exaust and air cleaner feels like a heavily modified twin cam.
I went with a Zippers RS 468 cam in my 2019 Road Glide 114". I like it because it produces good power in the RPM's ranges that I pretty much live in 2200 to 3500.
Although I don't own an M8, Gixxer, I was once again am VERY impressed with the info about cam choice on the M8 and the manner with which you present it. I didn't know about the crappy idle🤔 Keep up the great work Sir!!!
I’ve got my 114 in the shop now getting the Wood WM822XE cam, Thundermax tuner, V & H Power Dual headers with CFR slip on’s & Arlen Ness inverted big sucker air cleaner!! Sounded like a sewing machine compared to my 103!!
That bike is going to rip when you get it back! That Wood cam is a monster, plus that ThunderMax is the way to go with a tuner! Yeah the new M8's just don't have the thump like the Twin Cams did, you won't have that issue with the new cam though!
@@maddawg4599 Had Harley do the work and it was $1,100. I already had a stage 2 with the SE cam so I didn’t have to buy push rods or have a high flow air filter installed. It was just for the cam swap, labor, and power vision map. However, I just dropped my bike at the dealership again because the map was not very good. They are going to put it on the dyno so that will be another $400. It will be totally worth it. I thought I could just do a map to save $$ but I wanted to be as fine tuned as possible.
Ive got the zippers Red Shift 468 in my Fat Bob 114. It's mated with a Thunder Max Tuner and A SP Concepts 2 into 1 big bore exhaust. I was shocked at the performance gains. Comes on low and just keeps going right on through to red line. Super happy with it !
Mentioned prices are only for the cams. You're gonna need new lifters ($300~$400), adjustable pushrods ($200~$300), and a tune ($400~$800). If you're not doing the upgrade yourself, you'll also be paying for labor ($800~$1200). All in all it can run well over $2000 for a cam upgrade. That's in addition to the required Stage I upgrade (A/C breather and slip-ons). Still, a Stage II is the best bang for your buck. The gains are significantly higher than a Stage I, and the costs are significantly lower than a Stage III.
Totally agree. Not all Cams need adjustable pushroads (dependind on what engine: 107-114-117) but Tappets are important. Costs mentioned are just right. The final statement is 100% true: a well done Stage 2 (with Stage 1 including pipes and not just mufflers) is definitely Best Bang for the Buck even vs a Stage 3 with SE components.
The BEST CAM is the one that SOUNDS THE BEST! I was thinking you would share the sound with each.. That would have been very cool.. Great video regardless, Thanks.
Moonshine harley is doing some insane motor work if your rich, you can have an amazing m8 motor...also, I thought everyone wants the sns 475 cam?....is that more of a top end cams than torque?
Was going to go with either s/s 465 or 475, but ended up ordering Star 30/30 cam for my 107 Street bob, tech told me I should be able to get 115-117 hp and 128-130 torque. The dyno on it looks impressive.
Wow great video. And my new favorite is now the S & S 465. I live in the 2500 to 3500 zone and that’s where this cam just blazes. Incredible numbers. Start at 100 pounds of torque at 2500 and 120 at 3500. Yeah that’s what I’m talking about.
Got a '21 RKS and started off with the SE447. Pretty nice impact for a rather mild TQ cam. Noticed the bike is not nearly so pliable under 2k RPM. Jump on it too soon and it will ping a little. But once I am up around 2.25k RPM it spins up fast and strong to 4k. I installed S&S lifters and cuffs along with the SE cam. But once the warranty is up I'll probably give the Zipper 468 a try.
Would like to hear a m8 114 with a different cam , I got a 2019 road glide ultra with the m8 it's too quiet , and don't seem as fast as my 2013 road glide
Harley's torque cam puts down about the same peak power on top as their power cam. Down low it destroys the power cam, they did a really good job on it!
I've got the S&S 475 in my 107 and it made 106 hp and 115 tq. Not bad considering I have a pretty short pipe and less than ideal compression for the cam.
The M8 engine is far more particular about having the right pipes. Much more so than the TC. There are more pipes on the market that hurt the performance of the M8 than increase it. Especially when you remove the baffles and inserts.
Fantastic episode brother. Based on my experience with S&S, I will always choose them. Best overall performance, and they always consider both all-around #s, as well as longevity. In this case - won't trash your stock valvetrain, or at the worst, upgraded valve springs and maybe rockers.
Just mounted an S&S oil pump kit, Feuling lifters + cam-chain and crank sprocket, S&S adjustable pushrods and a Zippers 468 cam. I already had a Ness Big Sucker intake and a modified HD catless 2-1 exhaust pipe with a Firebrand Loose Canon muffler,…. absolutely an awesome “spiff up” kit for my 2017 water-cooled FLHTK. Now I am struggling with adjusting the Idle on my FP3 ….for some reason suddenly climbed up til 15-1600 rpms when “operative hot” and I want it to be at 910 - 920. I guess I know what to do tomorrow 😂
I went with Zipper’s 468 and all I can say is WoW. I went from stock to 101-HP and 118-Torque. It runs and sounds amazing for a bolt on cam with air intake and exhaust upgrades.
Just did a 128 build w/ my 19' CVO SG. 155hp/148tq. Went w/ SS buckets, cam, CP Carrillo pistons. All of it ported/polished. Goes into a Jackport 2-into-1 exhaust and is way too loud, lol. She chops for sure...
Hell YA!! Thats not a torque curve, thats a TORQUE LINE!!! No need to shift to get into the powerband, just max out the right hand! Would like to see the 555 if they have one for the M8. I like mine in a 103.
@@johnchilds6471 They don't. You need two camshafts for a Twin Cam (2x 2 lobe), only one for an M8 (4 lobe). Cam profiles are different for an M8 as well.
@@bloodymarvelous4790 I know how many cams are in a Harley engine. But Woods has 222 cams and 777 cams listed but no 555's. Never messed with a m8, but it's hard to see what to run without the specs. Would have to go with Fuel Moto's advice.
Don't these High horsepower camshaft hammers a top-end to death in short order? Does everything outside of the camshaft have to be upgraded to handle the horsepower?
My local dealer highly recommends that cam, for good reason too. They will install it under while you're under warranty and the dealer will cover the engine for the remainder of the warranty.
@@johndillon8260 I have capped off the crossover so I’m actually 2-1 with CFR and SE heavy breather elite ( same Intake as cvo) w/ Fuelpak custom tune from FP3 techs.
hi gixxerfoo. awesome videos im thinking about getting a 2023 fatboy114, then having a cam nstalled down the road. would you recommend getting a new oil pump and plate? or are the 2023's ,114 motors improved?? thanks, steve
@@GixxerFoo Your reply just cause me to subscribe. Looking forward to Friday's video. FYI, I went with the 22XE as well, and love it....check out the specs....very similar timing and duration to the Redshift 472, but with a little less lift. Lots of torque right where you want it! Great sound and lots of power with the right tune.
Warranty is up. Been mulling a cam swap. Probly S&S 475c or RS472 this winter. Once I find a decent tuning shop I will probly go with what they reccomend.
I have a 2021 Heritage 114 with a stage 1 upgrade and Rinehart slip on mufflers. I am satisfied with the performance, but do miss the old school "Potato Thumping" of my 2004 Heritage. Would a Stage 2 upgrade of the Cam provide that sound, or would more have to be done? If the Milwaukee 8 counter balancing had to be minimized, would it be detrimental to the engine?
so what's needed for a stage two If I have already a stage one on my M8 114? I dont care about any gains... All I really care is the best loping sound. Thanks in advance
Hello GixxerFoo. I am new to all this. I am also really impressed with your video. I own a 2018 RGS 107. I am interested in the Cam upgrade. Can you help me select and upgrade that would satisfy my riding needs without breaking the Bank? A little about my riding habits. I ride a few times a month, mostly to work. I ride with a group of friends every now and then. With that said which Cam upgrade would you suggest for me? Thanking you in advance. Lou
It's really hard to beat that Red Shift 468, it's a great all around cam and it's not too crazy. It performs very well in all riding situations from city to highway. Fortunately with the M8 there is only 1 cam so that helps keep the cost down quite a bit.
Put a CR480 cam in my 17 107. Max HP 103.11 @ 5.39 RPM and Max TRQ 113.24 @ 3.85 RPM . lines cross at 5500 RPM, PWR & TRQ come on quick @ 2400 RPM, quiet valve train and nice lopey idle. Real happy with this cam, bike runs very smooth at any RPM above 2000 and gives great passing power at anything above 2500.
Isn't EFI maping required when making these changes? Couple hundred bucks for a cam, then breather, then pipes, then a tuner and time on the dino, those huge HP gains, come with big cost. And risk.
I got the screaming eagle stage 2 kit.beautiful sound performance can .I also got a bigger sprocket.with an extra gear 7 speed baker transmission.kind of sluggish from the stop but I have it on the high side .nothing can keep up with me 100 mph.the rpm is only showing not even2,500.rpm.beautiful hwy bike.its a 107 2020.lowrider.with a splitter windshield to duck under it and go.
Can I just swap out the cam and be good to go? I see many kits have upgraded push rods, lifters, etc. Do I need to swap with an entire cam kit? Do I need a new oil pump?
It depends on the cam, some require adjustable pushrods on the bolt ins. Adjustable pushrods just make installation easier and cheaper without tearing down the top end. You don't necessarily need a new oil pump, cam plate or lifters but it's a good idea to go ahead and upgrade while you're in there.
The best cams that fit that bill are anything from Wood, the biggest decision with a Wood is how much power do you want. The Wood cams really tend to beat all the competition at every level of RPM. One draw back with the Wood is they do make the valve train noisy, they just have serious ramp angles.
Hello. That's a nice bike. I have a question. My motorcycle is fltrx which was shipped in 22 years. I usually run from 1500 rpm to 3500 rpm. What kind of camera is right for me? 475? 465? Does 475 have a severe fever? I want to change the camera and feel the vibration and sound more shaky than the pure sound and vibration. Like an old bike. Is the 475c cam effective after 2500 rpm? Does the 465c cam have a good effect from 1500 rpm? Thank you for reading the question and please reply. Have a nice day.
The term 'bolt in cam' is a cam that can be used as a direct replacement of a stock cam without changing/altering heads/valve size/springs/pushrods/etc. Having said that, to get the best out of a good cam, head porting makes that cam work to its full potential. By the way, a cam upgrade requires a few extra bits besides the actual cam, so you end up buying a 'kit' or hand-picking the components, including new lifters, adjustable pushrods (the OEM pushrods are removed by cutting them, so the heads don't have to be removed) and gaskets. Depending how much performance you gain, you might want to check with your Harley expert if you'd need to upgrade the clutch spring. A stronger clutch spring makes it harder to pull the clutch lever (annoying in city traffic if you're weak like me!) or spend extra for a S&S® Variable Pressure Plate which doesn't make the lever hard to pull. Some people like to upgrade the stock compensator also, but if you ride sensibly your stock compensator might be okay to keep (again, check with your local Harley guru). And don't forget the labour for the job, plus the final tune cost to make it all worthwhile. I hope I haven't 'blown your budget' ... the cost of the cams are just part of the whole upgrade. Oh, I nearly forgot ... you might end up spending more money on rear tire replacements, but that's just the cost of the performance upgrade.
@@Jonathan-L Way to much unnecessary information regarding the question. " Bolt in cam" is simply removing the original cam and installing (bolting in) the new cam without any other modification necessary.
That really comes down to how hard you ride the bike and how it's taken care of. I've seen stock motors tore up and fail early from just being ragged on and no maintenance. I've also seen built motors run 100k just with good maintenance and not beating on them, all the time anyhow.
@@GixxerFoo I appreciate the info👍,your not the first to say this and its worries me,this is really making me to think better in to Not getting a stage 1 or 2 that I was seriouly concidering in to doing so...Bummer!
Hi GixxerFoo. Love your videos! I'm from denmark, not the best to understand english. I have a Low Rider S 114cui. Witch camshaft will you reccomend me to buy? I wan'tgood chop to the idle? (I dont need more power, only sound) And maby its a stupid question; do I need 1 or 2 camshaft for this mod?
Thank you I appreciate it! If you're running the 114 M8 it's only one cam, so much cheaper than the twin cam bikes. Hard to keep the power down but a RedShift 468 makes a nice sound, power just kinda comes with the territory there. I do love the Low Rider S, that's one of my favorite bikes!
@@GixxerFoo Thank you mate! I will buy one of these then :D My brain still 'fucks me'... Is it really only ONE camshaft??! Yes, I have the 114cui 2 cylinder motor! My brain can't get that to work. :S :S :D
The lope is really just at idle, but you will notice a much healthier sound under throttle with a good cam. Cams are going to have a little different lope at idle, just depends on the lift and duration of the cam.
Great video. I was a bit surprised to not see the S&S 475 Cam considering the title of this useful video: Idle sound. Personally I find the S&S 475 the best sounding Cam at idle and not only.
Hi. Thanks for this info.I've been wanting the S&S kit. I have a 2019 RKC/107 with a basic stage one and a programmable tuner. Your video here focused on the S&S 465. Is the 465 a better option than the 475 or 550 ? Thanks again for the info. Ride Safe.
Can the idle be lowered with a cam kit such as the s&s 475 that includes a new oil pump? Or will the oil pressure get to low if the idle is lowered? I assume the new oil pump makes better pressure and thus the reason for including it?
I had a 2000 Deuce that sounded like crap and nothing like a Harley at idle, I very soon sold it. The only reason I ride a V-twin is because of the sound.
@@GixxerFoo Thanks. This help me out a lot. I appreciate it. I’m torn between the SE Cam while saving my warranty on my new bike vs going with an aftermarket cam and tuner while destroying the warranty. My bike is brand new but I hate how it sound. I think that I will do the SE upgrade w/ D&D 2:1 pipe for 3-4 years and then go all out with the aftermarket stuff. Thanks again and continue to stay and ride safe. Blessings.
Hey Gixx, I would like to hear about variable valve timing, yeah I could Google it but I can't be the only one who understands it better when somebody can explain it, thanks
I have a 107 to 114 stage III. Which S&S cam will deliver more in the same rev range? Am I looking at a 465, 475 or something else? Thanx for the input. Great vids and content :)
Thank you! S&S is a much better cam than the SE cams if that's what you're running with a the stage 3 kit. The 465 and 475 will produce about the same amount of torque, but you'll see a little more horsepower on the big end with the 475 as it runs out a little higher. Both cams perform about the same in the low and mid range. I'd say the 465 is going to be a bit stronger in the low and mid, but if you want more on the high end I would go with the 475.
I just purchased the 2022 street road glide special with the 114 motor. I dumped my 2020 road glide standard because I didn’t like the chrome and I wanted a little more power to toy with. I’m afraid to void my warranty but I want to make the idle chop like it is in your video. How do I achieve that without losing my warranty and what exhaust should I go with to get that bark I’m used to with the V-twin. I need help and I’m hoping you can help
To get that kind of sound you'd have to go with a after market cam, that would void you're factory warranty. You might get a bit more sound with a Screamin Eagle cam, you'll also need a full aftermarket exhaust which won't void your warranty if you use the Screamin Eagle street tuner.
Question. Does changing the cams lead to in future engine problems? I mean, changing something mechanically might affect the engine’s balance/longevity. I hope you guys understand what I mean. Pls do advise. Tq!
If you are on an m8. You should consider the following. 2017 to 2019 has oil sump problems. Also i would put an aftermarket compensator in. Those harley parts are garbage when you increase power. I bought a man of war compensator from Darkhorse and upgraded my oil pump. Just an FYI.
@@rodgano2780 noted. I’m having a 2021 year model. After some surveys, I understood that it’s best to get a entire cam kit changed rather than just the cam. Definitely going for it by this year end
Great information man. I just got a 2020 Heritage 114 with the Harley Torque cam installed and Bassani True Dual Exhaust. The pipes sound great. However, the Harley cam still doesn't give it that throaty lope. Ive had my eye on the Zippers Redshift but this gives me some more ideas. Keep em coming Gixer!
@@twowheeledwireman282 I had the SE 462 torque cam with the SE street tuner. I was so disappointed in the performance gains. At idle it was no better than stock. It did pull a little harder but it always felt like there was more. The zippers RS 468 is on a completely different level. I’m very happy with the performance gains. My advice is to NOT waste your money on SE products unless you are concerned about the warranty.
What was your favorite cam for the M8? What cam are you running in your Milwaukee 8 powered Harley-Davidson?
Don’t know about the M8 but with the twin cam the woods 777 are a beast. 110 hp and 125 TQ. These new m8s can suck it.
I'd probably go for the S&S.
I'm running the Wood WM8-22X-E (but on a 128ci build). Great lope, great performance across the rev range. It's getting a dynotune next week.
I’d like to see something on the 114 for sure. These graphs and the info are very interesting.
Thank you! I have that video coming Friday!
Personally I would go with the S&S because it makes torque right where I can use it. I don't drag race and my engine would rarely experience wide open throttle. Seems like cruising on the highway with this cam the roll-on power would be right at your fingertips.
That's exactly my thoughts as well.
Absolutely
Yup exactly why I got it
I agree about the “never full throttle”… been there done that, BUT I found out after trying one of my buddies M8 Streetglides that the “stock power band” until approx. 2000 rpms was sufficient for daily city- cruising and stop’n go traffic. My buddy had a Zippers 468 and I was really impressed when the meanest torque started around the 2000 rpm mark,… the heavy bike just took off with a true V-thunder out the pipe…I knew I had to have that 468 cam installed in my bike… and so I did and haven’t regretted since 👍🏻
for me I couldnt imagine owning a harley without the deep harley chop sound, I put a stage 2 in my 2021 rg 114 motor, screaming eagle cam, vance n hines power dual header pipe, n Reinhart slips, putting out about 117 torque at 3500 rpm and just 103 horsepower, but my Gosh this is the best n loudest harley as I have ever heard n has plenty of power for me compared to my last 103 n it ran strong too, my build now was to get a bit more power, but wake up that 114 get it breathing great n sounding the best I could without getting ride of the brand new bikes warranty, I'm going to ride the heck out of it for the next 2 yrs n then decide if I want a different cam , but most likely its staying this way, Its got all i need for how i ride n more n that sound note is perfect for me, what is amazing I see guys all the time on here putting a stage 2 after market cam and producing better dyno numbers that a 131 puts out at a much cheaper price, i'm really surprised so many guys pay for a 131 when they really just need a cam
Yes, I would love to hear about different cams for the M8 114. Keep up the great job your doing and stay the course!
A Harley should sound like Van Halen's Hot for teacher intro with more bass 🤘
Amen brother
Lmao yes yes it should
Anytime I play that song, my Daughter always refers to it as “the motorcycle song”
That’s the sound of a good cam and timing on a v-twin.
Somewhere between “Hot For Teacher” and “Matter of Time”
That’s a double Amen man love the band as well
This needs needs nine more likes
Thanks for the video, great information. I haven't experienced the other cams but I know that the Redshift 468 "Zipper's Performance Cam took my Dads 107 to 107 Horse power and 117 foot pounds of tourqe. He's very pleased with it and it sounds good. Again thanks for the information I enjoy these types of videos.
My friends Street Glide in the clip has the Zippers 468, it made a huge difference! That bike with just the 468 cam, full Rinehart Exaust and air cleaner feels like a heavily modified twin cam.
I went with a Zippers RS 468 cam in my 2019 Road Glide 114". I like it because it produces good power in the RPM's ranges that I pretty much live in 2200 to 3500.
Although I don't own an M8, Gixxer, I was once again am VERY impressed with the info about cam choice on the M8 and the manner with which you present it. I didn't know about the crappy idle🤔 Keep up the great work Sir!!!
The screaming eagle torque cam does add a small lope. “Chop” sound. Take the cat out and it gets a little lower note to it.
That’s what I did 2 my ultra 2017..👍👍👍
still sounds like every other metric bike though
I’ve got my 114 in the shop now getting the Wood WM822XE cam, Thundermax tuner, V & H Power Dual headers with CFR slip on’s & Arlen Ness inverted big sucker air cleaner!! Sounded like a sewing machine compared to my 103!!
That bike is going to rip when you get it back! That Wood cam is a monster, plus that ThunderMax is the way to go with a tuner! Yeah the new M8's just don't have the thump like the Twin Cams did, you won't have that issue with the new cam though!
Swapped for a Zipper's RS468 in my 107. Love it!
Just had a Zippers installed on my 107 and it’s awesome!! My Harley now has that true lope sound.
@@quomofo1 not being nosey but what does something like this typically run? Cam and labor
@@maddawg4599 Had Harley do the work and it was $1,100. I already had a stage 2 with the SE cam so I didn’t have to buy push rods or have a high flow air filter installed. It was just for the cam swap, labor, and power vision map. However, I just dropped my bike at the dealership again because the map was not very good. They are going to put it on the dyno so that will be another $400. It will be totally worth it. I thought I could just do a map to save $$ but I wanted to be as fine tuned as possible.
@@maddawg4599 when I did the stage 2 originally with all SE parts it was $2,600.
Ive got the zippers Red Shift 468 in my Fat Bob 114. It's mated with a Thunder Max Tuner and A SP Concepts 2 into 1 big bore exhaust. I was shocked at the performance gains. Comes on low and just keeps going right on through to red line. Super happy with it !
That's an awesome setup! That Thunder Max makes a huge difference!
Mentioned prices are only for the cams. You're gonna need new lifters ($300~$400), adjustable pushrods ($200~$300), and a tune ($400~$800). If you're not doing the upgrade yourself, you'll also be paying for labor ($800~$1200). All in all it can run well over $2000 for a cam upgrade. That's in addition to the required Stage I upgrade (A/C breather and slip-ons). Still, a Stage II is the best bang for your buck. The gains are significantly higher than a Stage I, and the costs are significantly lower than a Stage III.
Totally agree. Not all Cams need adjustable pushroads (dependind on what engine: 107-114-117) but Tappets are important. Costs mentioned are just right. The final statement is 100% true: a well done Stage 2 (with Stage 1 including pipes and not just mufflers) is definitely Best Bang for the Buck even vs a Stage 3 with SE components.
Also don't forget the cost of a tuner on top of all that if you didn't add it at Stage 1.
I have a 114 and going with the wood cam, would love to see those numbers
The BEST CAM is the one that SOUNDS THE BEST!
I was thinking you would share the sound with each..
That would have been very cool..
Great video regardless,
Thanks.
Thanks for the idea!
S&S Torque’y Cams are a must. It is noticeable difference. I have 114 Stage 1 with Cam and that’s it. Big difference
Moonshine harley is doing some insane motor work if your rich, you can have an amazing m8 motor...also, I thought everyone wants the sns 475 cam?....is that more of a top end cams than torque?
Was going to go with either s/s 465 or 475, but ended up ordering Star 30/30 cam for my 107 Street bob, tech told me I should be able to get 115-117 hp and 128-130 torque. The dyno on it looks impressive.
S&S for me. The power looks best for cruising
Wow great video. And my new favorite is now the S & S 465. I live in the 2500 to 3500 zone and that’s where this cam just blazes. Incredible numbers. Start at 100 pounds of torque at 2500 and 120 at 3500. Yeah that’s what I’m talking about.
Got a '21 RKS and started off with the SE447. Pretty nice impact for a rather mild TQ cam. Noticed the bike is not nearly so pliable under 2k RPM. Jump on it too soon and it will ping a little. But once I am up around 2.25k RPM it spins up fast and strong to 4k. I installed S&S lifters and cuffs along with the SE cam. But once the warranty is up I'll probably give the Zipper 468 a try.
The 468 Red Shift is an awesome cam, we put one in my friends 2018 Street Glide with a 107. It runs very strong throughout the RPM range now.
Would like to hear a m8 114 with a different cam , I got a 2019 road glide ultra with the m8 it's too quiet , and don't seem as fast as my 2013 road glide
I have a M8 117 CVO with the S&S 475 and D&D exhaust 2 into 2 and is a beast with great sound
thats the cam im installing . would like to know if anyone has put the 11-1 pistons in a stock 117 with the 475 cam
Amen brother! I can really feel the difference with tourqe cam, ignition and pipes.
Harley's torque cam puts down about the same peak power on top as their power cam. Down low it destroys the power cam, they did a really good job on it!
@@GixxerFoo hence I ordered SE stage 2 torque cam :)
@@jjs8046 How're you liking it? I'm having mine put in today.
i went for the s&s 465 and real happy with it
2021 Street Glide I think I'm choosing the S&S
I've got the S&S 475 in my 107 and it made 106 hp and 115 tq. Not bad considering I have a pretty short pipe and less than ideal compression for the cam.
That's really good numbers with the 107 and your exhaust setup, there might be a lot more in there to be had!
A stock M8 still sounds so much better than any other brand out there!
They sure do, you can't replace that sound. The Indian sounds good but it's not a Harley lope.
I chose the RS 468. Will be installed in September. The exhaust system you chose makes a sizeable difference as well.
The M8 engine is far more particular about having the right pipes. Much more so than the TC. There are more pipes on the market that hurt the performance of the M8 than increase it. Especially when you remove the baffles and inserts.
Fantastic episode brother.
Based on my experience with S&S, I will always choose them. Best overall performance, and they always consider both all-around #s, as well as longevity. In this case - won't trash your stock valvetrain, or at the worst, upgraded valve springs and maybe rockers.
You mentioned the Wood is noisier. I'm not very well versed in this stuff. How is it noisier?
Yes need tons of info on the 114
I got the s&s 475 sounds badass has incredible torque i absolutely luv it!
It's amazing the just the difference in sound a cam swap on the M8 makes, not to mention the added power!
The Woods Cam, is the “stud”😀👍🍺
I’m wondering why he picked the 222 I think the 22XE is superior. Even the 22x
More on that Friday...
@@GixxerFoo
Awesome👍
Just mounted an S&S oil pump kit, Feuling lifters + cam-chain and crank sprocket, S&S adjustable pushrods and a Zippers 468 cam. I already had a Ness Big Sucker intake and a modified HD catless 2-1 exhaust pipe with a Firebrand Loose Canon muffler,…. absolutely an awesome “spiff up” kit for my 2017 water-cooled FLHTK. Now I am struggling with adjusting the Idle on my FP3 ….for some reason suddenly climbed up til 15-1600 rpms when “operative hot” and I want it to be at 910 - 920. I guess I know what to do tomorrow 😂
I’ve ran the Screamin Eagle 462 (Power Cam) in my 107 and loved it!
I went with Zipper’s 468 and all I can say is WoW. I went from stock to 101-HP and 118-Torque. It runs and sounds amazing for a bolt on cam with air intake and exhaust upgrades.
The Zippers cam is highly recommended by my local dealer too! We put one in my friends Street Glide it was a whole new animal.
I did stage one on my 21 Street glide can you tell me more about your experience with the cam upgrade I'm thinking to get the same one
Just did a 128 build w/ my 19' CVO SG. 155hp/148tq. Went w/ SS buckets, cam, CP Carrillo pistons. All of it ported/polished. Goes into a Jackport 2-into-1 exhaust and is way too loud, lol. She chops for sure...
i have the S&S cam with Cobra Speedster 909 pipes and Arlen Ness Monster Sucker intake - Maximus Tuner... it really is a very impressive cam
S&S makes an awesome cam, they wake those M8's up and give them some lope on that idle.
Man that Woods chart....what a beautiful powerband
Hell YA!! Thats not a torque curve, thats a TORQUE LINE!!! No need to shift to get into the powerband, just max out the right hand! Would like to see the 555 if they have one for the M8. I like mine in a 103.
@@johnchilds6471 They don't. You need two camshafts for a Twin Cam (2x 2 lobe), only one for an M8 (4 lobe). Cam profiles are different for an M8 as well.
@@bloodymarvelous4790 I know how many cams are in a Harley engine. But Woods has 222 cams and 777 cams listed but no 555's. Never messed with a m8, but it's hard to see what to run without the specs. Would have to go with Fuel Moto's advice.
Don't these High horsepower camshaft hammers a top-end to death in short order? Does everything outside of the camshaft have to be upgraded to handle the horsepower?
I’m running a RS468 in my 2019 M8 114. Great torque cam.
My local dealer highly recommends that cam, for good reason too. They will install it under while you're under warranty and the dealer will cover the engine for the remainder of the warranty.
Do you still have stock pipes or slip ons
Me too! Running zippers 468 in my 2020 RGS😎
@@johndillon8260 I have capped off the crossover so I’m actually 2-1 with CFR and SE heavy breather elite ( same Intake as cvo) w/ Fuelpak custom tune from FP3 techs.
How much does it cost for part and labor
hi gixxerfoo. awesome videos im thinking about getting a 2023 fatboy114, then having a cam nstalled down the road. would you recommend getting a new oil pump and plate? or are the 2023's ,114 motors improved?? thanks, steve
Do these require any other changes?...
I have the RE engineering 480 cam on my 107 and my power/Tq comes on earlier then all listed cam’s.
115hp 117Tq on 91
120hp 125tq on E85
Yes could you please show cams for the 114. I have a 20 road glide
Whats ur recommendation for a 114 I'm leaning towards my old faithful s&s 475? Idk
Woods 22X-E is a better all around cam than the 222. Definitely like the idea behind the review.
Video will be dripping Friday, that XE cam is pure bolt in insanity.
@@GixxerFoo Your reply just cause me to subscribe. Looking forward to Friday's video. FYI, I went with the 22XE as well, and love it....check out the specs....very similar timing and duration to the Redshift 472, but with a little less lift. Lots of torque right where you want it! Great sound and lots of power with the right tune.
Would like to hear idle comparisons
Warranty is up. Been mulling a cam swap. Probly S&S 475c or RS472 this winter. Once I find a decent tuning shop I will probly go with what they reccomend.
Fuel Moto
I have a 2021 Heritage 114 with a stage 1 upgrade and Rinehart slip on mufflers. I am satisfied with the performance, but do miss the old school "Potato Thumping" of my 2004 Heritage. Would a Stage 2 upgrade of the Cam provide that sound, or would more have to be done? If the Milwaukee 8 counter balancing had to be minimized, would it be detrimental to the engine?
I think I like the S&S 465C, you better hang on with both hands.
You need to checkout the CR480 cam. That what I’m running in my 107 and made 111hp and 120ftlb
That's awesome power! I have it in this video on the 114 th-cam.com/video/-7xrw--tY2c/w-d-xo.html
Can I use a bolt in cam on my 2021 Fatbob114 keeping standard exhaust and air cleaner?
Another great video thank you would you do another one with the 117 Milwaukee 8 and maybe the woods 22x the S&S 465 and the Star Racing 30-30 thanks
so what's needed for a stage two If I have already a stage one on my M8 114? I dont care about any gains... All I really care is the best loping sound. Thanks in advance
Love your videos, very informative. Would love to see the same specs for the 114.
What about the screaming eagle torque cam
But are these chain driven cams or are they gear-driven cam?
Can you do m8 dyno sheets with best 2into1 and air breather and cam set ups
That's not a bad idea, not all exhaust are created equally. Even two different 2 into 1's can be +- 5 horse on the big end.
Right for sure I was thinking then you could see what bang you can get for your buck and love the videos man!
Good info....do it again with the S&S 475, Redshift 472, and Woods 22X and 22XE cams. Thanks!
My latest video has those in the 114!
Hello GixxerFoo. I am new to all this. I am also really impressed with your video. I own a 2018 RGS 107. I am interested in the Cam upgrade. Can you help me select and upgrade that would satisfy my riding needs without breaking the Bank? A little about my riding habits. I ride a few times a month, mostly to work. I ride with a group of friends every now and then. With that said which Cam upgrade would you suggest for me? Thanking you in advance. Lou
It's really hard to beat that Red Shift 468, it's a great all around cam and it's not too crazy. It performs very well in all riding situations from city to highway. Fortunately with the M8 there is only 1 cam so that helps keep the cost down quite a bit.
Put a CR480 cam in my 17 107. Max HP 103.11 @ 5.39 RPM and Max TRQ 113.24 @ 3.85 RPM . lines cross at 5500 RPM, PWR & TRQ come on quick @ 2400 RPM, quiet valve train and nice lopey idle. Real happy with this cam, bike runs very smooth at any RPM above 2000 and gives great passing power at anything above 2500.
That's some strong work!
I've been learning a lot from you. Keep it coming brother
Thank you!
Isn't EFI maping required when making these changes? Couple hundred bucks for a cam, then breather, then pipes, then a tuner and time on the dino, those huge HP gains, come with big cost. And risk.
I got the screaming eagle stage 2 kit.beautiful sound performance can .I also got a bigger sprocket.with an extra gear 7 speed baker transmission.kind of sluggish from the stop but I have it on the high side .nothing can keep up with me 100 mph.the rpm is only showing not even2,500.rpm.beautiful hwy bike.its a 107 2020.lowrider.with a splitter windshield to duck under it and go.
You've done some solid work on that bike! I haven't seen a M8 with a Baker in it yet!
I’m looking at the comp cam moonshine said it get 125hp and 127tq perfectly balanced for what I’m looking for.
Can I just swap out the cam and be good to go? I see many kits have upgraded push rods, lifters, etc. Do I need to swap with an entire cam kit? Do I need a new oil pump?
It depends on the cam, some require adjustable pushrods on the bolt ins. Adjustable pushrods just make installation easier and cheaper without tearing down the top end. You don't necessarily need a new oil pump, cam plate or lifters but it's a good idea to go ahead and upgrade while you're in there.
Rivas Rocket cams sound WAY good! Opens exhaust valve early for extra lump and noise!
I'm going to have to check those out!
@@GixxerFoo some are getting 150 HP & 150 Tq out of the Rivas cams....
Do they make a cam that gives You max torture off idle & pulls to high rpms? Thank You GixxerFoo. 👍👍
The best cams that fit that bill are anything from Wood, the biggest decision with a Wood is how much power do you want. The Wood cams really tend to beat all the competition at every level of RPM. One draw back with the Wood is they do make the valve train noisy, they just have serious ramp angles.
I was wondering about Fueling 465? I have had a few mechanics tell me they are better than S&S.
It's a great cam, they are all really good cams honestly. It just depends which cam fits the area you like to ride in better.
You left out feuling. Lol. Great information regardless. As usual 👍
And Cyclerama too!
That’s what I was looking for. I heard good things about fueling
Hello. That's a nice bike. I have a question. My motorcycle is fltrx which was shipped in 22 years. I usually run from 1500 rpm to 3500 rpm. What kind of camera is right for me? 475? 465?
Does 475 have a severe fever? I want to change the camera and feel the vibration and sound more shaky than the pure sound and vibration. Like an old bike. Is the 475c cam effective after 2500 rpm? Does the 465c cam have a good effect from 1500 rpm?
Thank you for reading the question and please reply. Have a nice day.
Would like to see how a TTS cam would comparison would be to the others
I bought the Woods WM8- 22xe
That is one mean monster cam!
Here's the set up, zippers 468,Rinehart slip ons and decat the headpipe can use fp3 or power vision,if you have rdrs 447 with street tuner
My friend's Street Glide is running the Zippers 468 with full Rinehart. He is using the Screamin Eagle Street Tuner which just kills me lol.
Woods the night prowler all the way no matter what Harley motor the only cam for me thanks Bob
With the d&d exhaust
Please do a video on exactly what’s entailed in a “bolt in cam”
The term 'bolt in cam' is a cam that can be used as a direct replacement of a stock cam without changing/altering heads/valve size/springs/pushrods/etc. Having said that, to get the best out of a good cam, head porting makes that cam work to its full potential. By the way, a cam upgrade requires a few extra bits besides the actual cam, so you end up buying a 'kit' or hand-picking the components, including new lifters, adjustable pushrods (the OEM pushrods are removed by cutting them, so the heads don't have to be removed) and gaskets. Depending how much performance you gain, you might want to check with your Harley expert if you'd need to upgrade the clutch spring. A stronger clutch spring makes it harder to pull the clutch lever (annoying in city traffic if you're weak like me!) or spend extra for a S&S® Variable Pressure Plate which doesn't make the lever hard to pull. Some people like to upgrade the stock compensator also, but if you ride sensibly your stock compensator might be okay to keep (again, check with your local Harley guru). And don't forget the labour for the job, plus the final tune cost to make it all worthwhile. I hope I haven't 'blown your budget' ... the cost of the cams are just part of the whole upgrade. Oh, I nearly forgot ... you might end up spending more money on rear tire replacements, but that's just the cost of the performance upgrade.
@@Jonathan-L Way to much unnecessary information regarding the question. " Bolt in cam" is simply removing the original cam and installing (bolting in) the new cam without any other modification necessary.
I have that Knuckleheads Garage sign! 😄
This looks interesting... But,what does this do the the longevity of the engine?...
That really comes down to how hard you ride the bike and how it's taken care of. I've seen stock motors tore up and fail early from just being ragged on and no maintenance. I've also seen built motors run 100k just with good maintenance and not beating on them, all the time anyhow.
@@GixxerFoo
I appreciate the info👍,your not the first to say this and its worries me,this is really making me to think better in to Not getting a stage 1 or 2 that I was seriouly concidering in to doing so...Bummer!
Hi GixxerFoo. Love your videos!
I'm from denmark, not the best to understand english. I have a Low Rider S 114cui. Witch camshaft will you reccomend me to buy? I wan'tgood chop to the idle? (I dont need more power, only sound)
And maby its a stupid question; do I need 1 or 2 camshaft for this mod?
Thank you I appreciate it! If you're running the 114 M8 it's only one cam, so much cheaper than the twin cam bikes. Hard to keep the power down but a RedShift 468 makes a nice sound, power just kinda comes with the territory there. I do love the Low Rider S, that's one of my favorite bikes!
@@GixxerFoo Thank you mate! I will buy one of these then :D
My brain still 'fucks me'... Is it really only ONE camshaft??! Yes, I have the 114cui 2 cylinder motor! My brain can't get that to work. :S :S :D
I went with the redshift 468
Zippers
Sound: does that loping sound continue under throttle or just at idle? Also, sound difference between the different cams?
The lope is really just at idle, but you will notice a much healthier sound under throttle with a good cam. Cams are going to have a little different lope at idle, just depends on the lift and duration of the cam.
@@GixxerFoo Thanks for the reply. Too bad because I was looking for a meaner sound from my 2021 M8.
What cams in that white glide in the beginning of the video? Sounds amazing !
Great video. I was a bit surprised to not see the S&S 475 Cam considering the title of this useful video: Idle sound. Personally I find the S&S 475 the best sounding Cam at idle and not only.
I have the 475 on a 117 CVO with stage 1 and DND 2 into 1 exhaust it runs hard and the sound is awesome!
By far the best lope at idle, but my 22XE makes more torque. Both are great cams in the M8.
Great point! I covered it on the 114 video th-cam.com/video/-7xrw--tY2c/w-d-xo.html
Thats what i have
The s&s 475 is 👑
Which cam is in the white bike in the video? That thing sounds mean!!!
That's a Red Shift 468 with a full RineHart Exhaust system, 107 M8 and it runs damn good!
I have a Wood WM8-22XE in my Ultra Limited 114 I think it's better than any cams in this video IMHO.
I like the S & S,, I have a 2020 road glide with the 114. What would a S & S do for me. What like to hear. Thanks
Hi. Thanks for this info.I've been wanting the S&S kit. I have a 2019 RKC/107 with a basic stage one and a programmable tuner. Your video here focused on the S&S 465. Is the 465 a better option than the 475 or 550 ? Thanks again for the info. Ride Safe.
Which one sounds the best?
Can the idle be lowered with a cam kit such as the s&s 475 that includes a new oil pump? Or will the oil pressure get to low if the idle is lowered? I assume the new oil pump makes better pressure and thus the reason for including it?
for a 2017 low rider s twin cam 110 what cams should i go with to get good low to mid power with the signature lope sound?
I would check out the Wood 555, bolt in and it will give you some killer sound with great low and mid range without sacrificing the top end.
Is there any you would recommend from S&S or fueling?
I had a 2000 Deuce that sounded like crap and nothing like a Harley at idle, I very soon sold it. The only reason I ride a V-twin is because of the sound.
What are your thoughts on the SE8-515 Cam SE?
They aren't bad cams, they perform well it's just you get more for your dollar in the aftermarket for power.
@@GixxerFoo Thanks. This help me out a lot. I appreciate it. I’m torn between the SE Cam while saving my warranty on my new bike vs going with an aftermarket cam and tuner while destroying the warranty. My bike is brand new but I hate how it sound. I think that I will do the SE upgrade w/ D&D 2:1 pipe for 3-4 years and then go all out with the aftermarket stuff. Thanks again and continue to stay and ride safe. Blessings.
Hey Gixx, I would like to hear about variable valve timing, yeah I could Google it but I can't be the only one who understands it better when somebody can explain it, thanks
Thanks for the idea! It's gonna be interesting how performance cams interact with that new VVT system.
I have a 107 to 114 stage III. Which S&S cam will deliver more in the same rev range? Am I looking at a 465, 475 or something else? Thanx for the input. Great vids and content :)
Thank you! S&S is a much better cam than the SE cams if that's what you're running with a the stage 3 kit. The 465 and 475 will produce about the same amount of torque, but you'll see a little more horsepower on the big end with the 475 as it runs out a little higher. Both cams perform about the same in the low and mid range. I'd say the 465 is going to be a bit stronger in the low and mid, but if you want more on the high end I would go with the 475.
What's a good Cam for a 2016 Road king
I just purchased the 2022 street road glide special with the 114 motor. I dumped my 2020 road glide standard because I didn’t like the chrome and I wanted a little more power to toy with. I’m afraid to void my warranty but I want to make the idle chop like it is in your video. How do I achieve that without losing my warranty and what exhaust should I go with to get that bark I’m used to with the V-twin. I need help and I’m hoping you can help
To get that kind of sound you'd have to go with a after market cam, that would void you're factory warranty. You might get a bit more sound with a Screamin Eagle cam, you'll also need a full aftermarket exhaust which won't void your warranty if you use the Screamin Eagle street tuner.
Question. Does changing the cams lead to in future engine problems? I mean, changing something mechanically might affect the engine’s balance/longevity. I hope you guys understand what I mean. Pls do advise. Tq!
You shouldn't have any issues with a cam swap, bolt in cams are designed to work within the parameters of the stock components.
@@GixxerFoo Tq
If you are on an m8.
You should consider the following. 2017 to 2019 has oil sump problems. Also i would put an aftermarket compensator in.
Those harley parts are garbage when you increase power. I bought a man of war compensator from Darkhorse and upgraded my oil pump.
Just an FYI.
@@rodgano2780 noted. I’m having a 2021 year model. After some surveys, I understood that it’s best to get a entire cam kit changed rather than just the cam. Definitely going for it by this year end
@@TheRicokilla
Yes indeed. Have fun and safe riding. 👍🏍
Great information man. I just got a 2020 Heritage 114 with the Harley Torque cam installed and Bassani True Dual Exhaust. The pipes sound great. However, the Harley cam still doesn't give it that throaty lope. Ive had my eye on the Zippers Redshift but this gives me some more ideas. Keep em coming Gixer!
Just had the HD Dealership install the Zippers RS 468 with a PV tune and it’s insane! The sound is awesome and power is everywhere in my 107.
@@quomofo1 did you just have the stock cam in before?
@@twowheeledwireman282 I had the SE 462 torque cam with the SE street tuner. I was so disappointed in the performance gains. At idle it was no better than stock. It did pull a little harder but it always felt like there was more. The zippers RS 468 is on a completely different level. I’m very happy with the performance gains. My advice is to NOT waste your money on SE products unless you are concerned about the warranty.