Alfa Romeo 3.0 V6 Busso Cambelt change tutorial gta 2.5 3.0 3.2
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- Been a long one to film and edit this one. A full Guide on replacing the cambelt and waterpump on a Busso V6 engine this one isn't for the weekend enthusiast and its a very hard job to do. If you have any questions please comment below. thanks technically part 4 of the gtv restoration.
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Your channel is gold mate! For everyone who loves and drive Alfas. Half of jobs i can do myself by watching your tutorials!
Keep it up!
thank you.
Best V6 EVER created, the mighty "Busso V6" in its best and last version.
Finally. Only taken 12 hours to upload,
But being waiting for the video is worth it
Great video. I have done this job myself now. I took the engine out to do the head gaskets and I have to say that doing the timing and belts afterwards was fairly straightforward with the engine out, but would have been very difficult with the engine in situ. It would be very hard to see if, for example, the water pump mating faces are properly cleaned up. It would be good, Neil, if you could spend a bit more time on things which are second nature to you but might be new to viewers. For example, setting up the dial gauge and getting TDC , or getting the tension on the cam belt tensioner correct - perhaps zoom in on the marks to be aligned. These were both things that I had to search around to get information on. Thanks for putting these "how tos" on TH-cam, I will be doing my rear brake pads next, following your guide on those.
Thanks for watching. I'll be going a separate videos in the hard parts in the future
I never used to worry about my 164 Twin Spark engine which was pretty bullet proof, but by heaven I lost sleep over the cam belt in my 164 24 Valve. I still loved the car and miss them both now I am Alfa less. Its true that all the cam belt failures seemed to commence at the 50,000 + mark. A bit of a comeback from Alfa's original 75,000 recommendation which was rather like playing russian roulette. Thanks for a great video.
Thank you.
What a Superb guide. I'm planning to do my 1st cambelt change on a 156 2.5 V6 and seen this here engine out is so enlightening.
glad to of been of help.
Thank you for another great video, this one will be TH-cam's greatest hit for Alfa owners. Great to see the subscriptions growing too, 1.7 K and counting. Unfortunately I can only subscribe once.
thank you.
Surprising how your methodology parallels the guide I wrote and posted 10 years ago on the Alfa forums. A credit would've been nice,
Hi Neil, I wanted to send an extra thank you for a while. I now went back into your extensive back catalogue to do that on this video, one of many of your pure gold tutorials for the Alfisti community. So, thank you and all the best.
Fantastic! many thanks. much appreciated.
So pleased you remembered to do the "safety squint" whilst doing that weld!
David Shields full health and safety me👍😁
I’m twisting spanners down here in Oz on the edge of the outback, got 1 of these jiggers in my shop for a cam belt and water pump, your video has given this old Holden mechanic great insight, avagoodweekend
That is awesome!
I’ve just put the job on hold to try and get hold of a set of those cam locks, with the rarity of these cars down here I’m covering all my bases to ensure I do it all properly
With your help yesterday i was able to do all the job without problem.
Best regards , Manuel from Italy
Good stuff.
Thank you very much, your tutorial will be very helpful for everyone, who want to do timing belt change by self.
What a great vid Neil and a great reference to anyone doing this themselves . Talk about a lot of bolts to remove . As soon as you put that Alan key into that bolt l knew it was going to be a pain ,great workaround though thanks for sharing the info and also impressed about how clear your info is given
Sylvia Murley thank you.
Sylvia Murley just glad the engine was out. 👍
Needed this for my project 156 2.5! Thanks a lot mate! Great video
glad to help.
Thanks for making such good Videos! Thats the spirit of keeping these beautiful cars on the road!
A fantastic video for Busso owners. Very clearly explained and well filmed and edited. Well done.
many thanks.
Doing this V6 timing belt is so easy with the engine is out, doing it in the engine bay is a totally different job, with the lack of space between the engine and the offside chassis leg in the way. But I’m the Alfa 166 model it’s much easier as there’s no chassis leg in the way, apart from the power steering bottle reservoir in the way.
Not really just easier if bolts snap. Engine mount off means you can raise any lower the engine for better access.
Dang! Now I understand why it costs so much to have the timing belt and water pump changed on my 164LS (about $2000 here in the US)!! Excellent video!
Yeah its a long difficult job. With lots of potential for things to go wrong.
Thanks, Italia Autos! This video was perfect. Did my belts and idlers perfectly using this amazing resource.
Good stuff. Glad it helped.
Great evening viewing. There was no need for any car programs tonight 😂👍🏼
thank you
Fantastic insight to the job, he knows his stuff and more importantly cares ! I couldn’t work out if all pulleys has to come off just to do the water pump ? My cam belt is only 15K old but pump is leaking 3.0 24v 2005 166
You got another 12 month yet.
@@ItaliaAutos but I have to get the water pump done, previous owner doesn’t look like they changed water pump with cam belt, thanks,
That looks a cow of a job, even with the engine out. Good work 👍
Just so many bolts 😀
Pure gold video Neil. Thank you.
I just didn't understand how do you get the belt tension right?
Brilliant video as always Neil... 👍🏻 Any chance you could film a cambelt change with the engine still in the car. Or do you always do the change with the engine out?
I just cannot for the life of me work out how it's done with the engine insitu... 🤣👍🏻🤣
A really great help, finally I can proceed with myself with a touch of caution and patience, thank you indeed and God bless.
have fun.
holy crap, I really can't see anyone doing cam belt and water pump change with the engine on the car... what a beauty though
yeah its relatively easy with engine in its just time consuming and you need to know what you are doing.
Great video. Must admit the grinding with an open engine was hard to watch😟 (I did actually look away during that part😄)
Where can you buy the correct cam locks? Just bought a GT, so I will be attempting this in the near future... Thank you for taking the time to film this and allowing all of us to look over Your shoulder👍
One of the great est V6's out there !
nice thanks for watching
@@ItaliaAutos I love watching your videos !
Super nice video. It’s so satisfying to see a pro at work!
Incredible video and incredible channel. Superb!
thank you.
Absolutely amazing job and wonderful video, un ottimo lavoro fatto con passione, grazie per darci la possibilità di ammirare come si opera su questi motori....
Stingrayfull thank you
You make it look so easy but I guess it's a lot easier with the engine out.. Took me 3 days to do it on my 156. Maybe to cautious since I'd never done it before. :)
anakondase caution when doing a timing service is a really good thing, you don’t have to get it wrong by much for it to become an expensive mistake.
@@sw96 I know, that's why I was but it won't take 3 days next time I do it. :)
Busso ❤️❤️❤️
Yay! Thanks Neil, I need to watch this a few times to make sure I haven't missed anything on my own job!
as long as you watch the add ill let you watch it as many times as you want lol
@@ItaliaAutos No problem mate - I'll watch it right to the end, promise! I just uploaded a GTV Spider V6 video strangely enough.
The Alfa Nut going to try and watch yours tonight.
Cheers Neil, its only 9 minutes long, compared to 48! 😉
The Alfa Nut not bad considering it was over 3 hours. 👍
There's 2000 dollars saved for me next time! Could I also ask Neil whats your recommended interval for cambelt changes on these lovely engines? Unless you mentioned it in the video, haven't got all the way through yet. Great video though keep it up, this is both entertaining and informative for all us Alfisti's.
Cameron Bull thank you. Every 4 years or 48000 miles.
What about changing the cam cover gaskets on the Busso? Both banks of mine are leaking and I've already replaced the rear bank gasket about 2 months ago, but it's leaking again. I found a lot of mixed opinions on how tight to do the bolts back up, whether or not to put gasket maker on the cam pulley side and couple other things. I have just ordered a genuine gasket kit for both banks from Partsworld, if you have any tips on installing these so that theres a higher chance that they don't start leaking again that'd be great. Probably not worth a video but I hear its a fairly common issue with the V6, so it might be. Thanks
I always use some instant gasket on the bolt holes to hold it in place.
@@ItaliaAutos Every 3 years or 60 000 km here in Finland. Just done for my 166 2.5 V6, did cost about 1000e.
Mace ouch I charge about 700euro.
i would never attempt this haha but good to watch and see what the inner workings of my v6 looks like
yes this isnt a job for the weekend enthusiast to do.
@@ItaliaAutos Agreed - mine has taken me about 6 weekends so far and I'm not still not finished! :0)
Very good channel! I've been waiting long for a channel like this! Greetings from the Netherlands
EK Automotive hi and welcome. New videos every week. 👍
Good vid!
Shame it skipped the all important tensioning.
Could you please do a buying guide for 156 GTA, what to look for, how often the service should be done (small service like changing filters and oil) and big service (belt, water pump, cambelt, etc) In 3 weeks I am planning to buy a 156 GTA SW and I have zero experience with GTA, I have a Diesel 156 SW.
once my new gta project is complete it will have guides done on it. thanks
@@ItaliaAutos That sounds great :) I hope you can finish the project, edit videos and upload that content before September 2nd. If not I will rely on all the knowledge from forums, TH-cam etc when I am buying it. If I buy it I will make i video about it and upload it on TH-cam.
Thanks for the video. Wow, its a lot of work... more so if the engine was still in the car. Re-confirmed why I'm happy I left it to my local Alfa garage :-)
Yeah it's a big job. Def wouldn't recommend it for the amateurs. 👍
Thanks. Super imformative. I'd love to have a spider with one of these motors. But only if I knew a good local specialist. My local dealer is useless. No way I'd want to tackle more than an oil change. Too many hard bits and traps for the Alfa newbie.
Thank you.
Surprised you didn't clean the parts before you put them back on ...
Great video, Neil!
cheers paul.
Top job, thanks for the video!
thanks
Perfect timing! (Did you like the pun? 🙄) I'm in the process of doing my cam belt on my 3.2 - currently have the accessory drive belt off, but haven't yet tackled the cam belt as I need a crank shaft socket. I was wondering if there was any way of doing this without the cam locks (£95 + vat!), but as I'm also wanting to change my water pump it looks like I'll need them as you say the inner covers / engine mount need to be removed as they block two of the bolts... :/
hi thanks. no you 100% need the locks.
To anyone reading, do not even try to do it without locks, incorrect timing guaranteed!
I am doing that as well these days, after my timing belt snapped. Where can I find the torque settings?
Thank you Neil!
Pure GOLD! thanx !
LEVEQUE thank you
I had plans to change the cambelt on a Spider tomorrow but without those camlock blocks I'm not even going to try. And doing it with the engine in place don't look like a easy job.
Great video. I would be very happy if you make a video of changing the valve stem seal on a 24 valves V6 Busso.
Thanks for the great video. Good job!
I have a question that I hope you will be able to help me with...
I am the Happy owner of a tipo 916 Spider 3.2 V6 from 2003 and have during the winter had my cambelts changed by a professional. On my først run after change out, I noticed that with motor in idle speed, the engine (and steering wheel) has quite a lot of vibrations. When accelerating and driving at normal speeds, the vibrations dissapear and the engine is pulling and reving as expexted. Mu question is; can the timing of the of the cams be incorrect even though no warning signs from the dashboard is seen?
The Mecanic claims that cam looks were used during the change out of cambelt, which I believe is correct.
Fantastico
Hi there, its realy awesome work and video. COuld you let me know is it possible to change the timing belt on the car? without engine dismount?
If you ever do the 24v bottom end..
Please make a vid.
Great video!
thank you.
My 147 2.0 16v has to be done but I don't trust the garage to do as well as a job as you showed us here.
Beautifull job !!
Thank you! Cheers!
Im new to this and just subscribed.
I also want to put a 166 v6 into an Alfetta GTV
I need your help. My - spectacular - 2.5 Busso keep idle to about 650rpm (steady, but too low). Accordingly, entire car tremble during engine idle. Throttle body seems ok (I tried to replace it), plenum and air pipe doesn't get external air, flow meter sensor is ok. In general the engine is great, except for idle too low during engine idle. About you, could be due to one (or some) camshafts pulley with a tooth not in correct position?
Damnd tedious, long but food job! I did it by myself on a 147 Ts, and It was a big pain in the ass...here is of course even worst!
Hi, This is great guide! Is this same camshaft locking tool type used also for V6 2.0 TB? Or maybe it has different cam profile🤔
It's a different profile.
hardest timing belt changing ever
Yep.
And no tip-ex in sight! How many hours does the book say to charge for this service? Can it be done with the engine in? Great video 😎👍👏
not sure but id say 6-8
It can be done with the engine in but it takes rougly 8-10 hours if you know what you're doing.
Matej Žagar I did another one today with the engine in.👍. So other specialist had knackered 2 bolts so the welder came out again. All done in 7 hours.
Great video and you should get an engine stand.... your poor back!
Normally use the forklift but engine was blocked in with cars.👍
Neil, is there any chance of you uploading a tutorial on a cambelt change of the GTA with the engine still mounted in the alfa?
@Italia Autos In order to change all these parts, do you have to take out the whole engine? Can you remove some panels and gain access to the cambelt parts and change them, put everything back and be done? How much do you charge for a service like this?
Getting ready to do this job DIY for my 147 GTA. The accessory belt and its tensioner and idlers were replaced last time as well as the valve cover and spark plug gaskets - do I need to replace these items again this time or skip and do it all again next cambelt change?
You will be fine not changing them.
Mmmm....Busso V6 in a Fiat Multipla....
I am surprised you didn't use pulley locks for these as it would've negated the need to remove the cam covers. Are none available for this engine?
Can you recommend a good book or manual for this type of job(s) that is available for purchase online? Also is the tensioner tool available to purchase?
dont think there are any. i made my own tool, you might be able to find one on the internet
Nice tutorial, I have a question I buyed a 3.2 gt and the cambelt was changed last year the car is a bit rough on idle is it possible they did not well their job that the timing is not correct?
yes it is possible that thats the cause.
@@ItaliaAutoswhat would be other possibility that could cause a rough idle so I could check before I let change the cambelt again or is it possible to correct the timing with the same cambelt since it was changed short time ago and the car made only 2000 kilometers since the change
@@J2105HD o2 sensors, air leak, air flow meter
@@ItaliaAutos thanks for you're reply keep up this amazing videos 👍
So, if you dont thake the black covers off you also don't need to remove the camshaft pulleys, but the still need to be loosend, right?
Also, beautiful tutorial!
back engine covers need to come off to do timing. pulleys still need to be loosend yes to tension the belt correctly.
Hmm, I ment the black timing belt covers that you said you wanted to paint... Do those need to go too? And if so, why? I didn't get it from the video
@@picek444 yes they can stay if your not changing the water pump. if you are they also need to come off as they block 2 bolts for the pump.
@@ItaliaAutos I see! Well, thanks for the answers and once again for the great vid! Now I know that it's a hell of job to deal with the timing mechanism correctly!
With the right modified tools it's always possible ;)
Awesome work! Thank you for sharing this!
Busso, you were a genius, but you should have used timing gears.
why. there is no need for them.
Good job
So I got hold of a set of cam locks, started pulling it apart, found no key ways in the cam gears? Will this be an issue on reassembly ?
can you tell me what alternator belt if I want to remove the air conditioning compressor ?
I have 2 questions.
1 - is it possible change Cambelt if the engine 2.5 Busso ist in a car. Alfa 156?
2 - how i get the new Crankshaft pulley?
or who fix this old pulley?
Timing gear driven pulleys M10 6.8 - 8.4 daNm
Camshaft caps M8 1.8 - 2.0 daNm
Crankshaft pulley M28 20 - 24.7 daNm
Hi, my name is Paolo Lizzola, I'm Italian, I restore a Lancia Thesis with an Alfa Romeo 3.0 v6 24v engine. Please can you tell me the brand of gaskets you used?
Hi! What screw tightening force (Nm) did you use at 31:00?
You could do with a bigger angle grinder to clean that bolt up 😂
Very revealing but is it only the cam locks that determine the correct cam positions with the #1 piston at top dead center using that dial gauge?
Yes it's only the locks and tdc no timing marks on the engine.
@@ItaliaAutos great, thanks for that!
I have watched a lot of your videos on TH-cam very interesting, i have a question for you, i am replacing the timing belt, tensioner and bearings when you replace the bearings do they have a spacer behind them on a 3ltr alfa romeo 24v 1998. as you have a lot of experience thought you would be the right person to ask, look forward to hearing back from you. John.
No spacer.
@@ItaliaAutos many thanks that really makes sense.
Nice! Hundreds of bolts! Is this job possible with the engine installed on the car?
C. A. Oliveira yes it’s just harder to do the side metal cambelt covers and water pump but it’s done with engine still in the car
The 2.0 V6 12v turbo is the same as the 3.0 v6 12 v ???
Wow, that is a big job. How much worse is it with the engine in place?
its just fiddly and time consuming with the engine in thats why its a £650 job.
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What tool do you use to undo the factory crimped bands holding the couplers on to the plenum and intake tubes? (And where do you get new bands and the tool to crimp them?) When I did the belt on my 164 I had to resort to worm gear clamps but the finished job doesn't look as slick and polished when done that way. Why did you put the engine mount back on the front of the engine if it is going in a GTV6? (Or is it going in the 90's version? That would make sense to have the mount then.)
just normal cutting pliers or there is a special tool which i have to.
I have video request. I'm the happy owner of Gtv V6 2.0 Tb, but the valves need ajdustement as they are ticking. Gets worse as the engine heats up. Quite a common problem I'm told.
But I have not found any good tutorials on how to adjust the valves! What special tools you might need, finding tdc and so on and so on. This would be a great tutorial and very helpful! Thank you!
sorry requests are for patreon members only. join up and ill gladly help out
@@ItaliaAutos hello, now signed up to patreon! So my request should be valid now 😁
@@joakimyliruusi ok thanks not had time to look at it yet. ill try to reply tomorrow. thanks
hey neil, at minute 35:00 how did you make sure that the crankshaft does not rotate while tensioning the belt ? im thinking about buying the flywheel lock unless it is not really necessary. could you advise me on this ? thanks alot!
You keep an eye on the tdc gauge.
@@ItaliaAutos alright, thank you!
Better find original locks because most of red ones are going to mess up engine
These where fine. Unfortunately my original ones where stolen.
@@ItaliaAutos Sorry to hear that, someone knew their value.
Surely you would know if they are correct or not at the point of fitment.... cambelt still in place... eng at TDC... if they fit the cam profiles then no problem?!? Allowing for the slight cam timing error seen in this example?
God so many bolts!!
Hello, thanks for sharing.
I Wonder if you have the crank tdc mark on damper like on the older 24v 164 ?
Thanks
no it doesent
19:00 i think you should use some kind of bearing puller.
Yes in the dealer manual you do but as you see you don't need one.
@@ItaliaAutos yeah i was surprised how it popped out smothly :)
Hi! I was wondering that once you have the camshafts locked in place with cam lock tools, can you remove the camshaft pulleys and put them back on WITHOUT marking their exact positions, and expect timing to work correctly once you have the belt on? Just put the pulley nuts on loose enough so the pulleys can spin, then spin the pulleys until all teeth on the belt fit nicely? Sorry if I'm trying to explain my question badly, never good at forming sentences that actually make sense :)
Best
The cam pulleys are free floating and need to be left slack when you install the new timing belt, once the belt is tensioned up to the correct marks on the tensioner you then tighten the 4 cam sprockets as tight as you can, the camshaft are tapered at the sprocket end so they do need a gentle tap with a brass drift to loosen them off
Right after when you put new cambelt on and tightened the tensioner, you started a timing work. Was there someting out of the camera view, that you were watching? It seemed that there was some other tools (beside cam lock tools)? What was it? :)
if I want to repaint the cam gaskets, taking them off while I have not drained the oil , is safe?
Tdc guage
@@ItaliaAutos Ok. What exactly needs to be moitored with it?
Viilutaja it’s monitoring the position of the piston and I’m making sure it doesn’t move or the timing would be out.
@@ItaliaAutos Thank you for explaining that.
Hi Neil
What do you use to find TDC and how do you find it?
Best regards jakob
Tdc guage. 👍plenty on ebay
Neil. The GTA I just bought. Belts were done last year. So I’ll do in 2 years. What is the cost with engine in situ change the belt you ask, give or take. Thanks
Best to contact me near the time.
So no variator on the V6 yeah?